Prime Minister Ivica Dačić says that he "already forwarded <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/insight/strategies.php?yyyy=2013&mm=01&nav_id=84141" class="text-link" target= "_blank">the Serbian Parliament's Resolution on Kosovo</a> to EU High Representative Catherine Ashton".
Just as I expected, Dacic turns out to be pragmatic. A typical example for socialist technocratism. Of course, he still has Nikolic for the nationalist rhetorics to make sure the mob's kept happy.
@Winston this issue has completely gone over your head.
Kosovars don't have issue with Germans ,Bulgarians,Croatians,etc because they are not the one interfering in our internal affairs (North Mitrovica for example).
Since Serbia is the claimant to our indigenous homeland and Presheva Valley is also occupied by Serbia it is only natural that this be brought out into the open.
It is well know Serbia hates non-Serbs so why not let go of them all?
After all these years of Slav misrule I am sure 100% Shqiptares want self-determination.
Serbs are in fact hypocrites when they demand "status region/status/rights" for imported Settler Slav Serbs in Kosova but when compared to what they give in Presheva,Medvedja and Bujanoc we see their traditional hypocracy.
Beta news agency is reporting that Dačić mentioned a "UN seat for Kosovo" as he commented on Hashim Thaci's statement made previously that "the goal of the dialogue with Belgrade was for Kosovo to become a member of the UN".
I hope they will never have a seat with todays conditions.
Albanians will have to make huge concessions to get their buds on a UN chair.
Serbia already lost a lot after NATO bombing, but not everything yet.
And exchanging the preshevo valley is rediculous considering that Kosovo is yet still in serbia according to the UN 1244 resolution.
These are facts !
This Dhaciq is a moron to even compare the two. Over night he turned into the biggest Europhile.
He is committing treason and anywhere else but the Balkans he would be arrested for this violation.
Lets just hope Dhaciq is sitting in a prison cell or at least not in power before that can happen.
(Ari Gold, 15 January 2013 14:47)
I hear you mate and sympathize… Unfortunately, similarly to the entire world, politicians will do what is best for them to keep power. It’s not you or the 2% of the electorate in North Kosovo that will determine Tomislav’s or Ivica’s political future, but the other 98%. Tomislav and Ivica are certainly clever enough to have learned lessons from the history of Slobodan, Vojislav and Boris and how they ended up by focusing on Kosovo for breakfast, lunch and dinner and dumping billions of Serbia’s taxpayer money in a black hole while Serbia’s economy was and is going in ruins. Tomislav and Ivica understand that having something to eat is a higher priority than folk tales of knights fighting against monsters in Kosovo :)
And there is nobody more suitable for traitorous deeds than politicians with patriotic credentials like Tomislav and Ivica; they know the max they can get is a slap on the wrist… Boris would have never dared to do these traitorous deeds. That’s why we’ve always said that Boris’ fall was the best thing for Albanians in Kosovo.
Its very clear few nations support kosovo independence more than serbia does! Ambassadors and UN seats and this resolution! meetings with thaci! not doing anything about the desecration of the cemetaries! Cemetaries are being desecrated and serbia does nothing. IT's just wrong to have the expectation that serbia will do anything because no country in the world supports kosovo independence more than serbia, no leader more than dacic, and and no people more than the overwhelming majority of the serbian people.
Just curious, why is the Presevo Valley always in the mix when the Kosovo status issue is brought up here on B92? It can't be just because Albanians live there, is it? As I know, Albanians also live in Macedonia, Greece, and other places, but no conditions are placed on those nations, so why Serbia? Maybe I'm lame, but Albanians seen to use the Albanians in southern Serbia argument, for any resolution to the Serbs in northern Kosovo, is that correct? But, these are two different places, and under the rule of two different governments. Kosovo is under Albanian rule now, with EU/US oversight, where of course Presevo is under Serbian rule. So how do we blend these two places together? What am I missing here? It can't be simply because Albanians live in both locations, can it be? After all, Albanians live in Germany, as well as most EU countries, Greece, the USA, Montenegro, etc., and no conditions are placed on these nations, why? It is not a matter of civil rights, for Albanians have their rights in Serbia.What am I missing here?
We Albanians and Serbs need to find a way to get along...
(KOSOVA, 15 January 2013 20:24)
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Agree, but you have to return what's not yours first.
He went on to say that Serbia "could discuss a seat for Kosovo in the United Nations, but in that case Priština has to give something too".
^^ What he is saying is that bg is willing to DISCUSS Kosovo's bid for membership in UN -- in no shape or form is he saying that Serbia is ready to recognize its neighbor.
He is smart. This is the simplistic form of his argument:
What is Ivica giving exactly? The UN seat does not depend on Serbia but on the UNSC, of which Serbia is not a member. If he wants autonomy for N Kosova, he should be ready to give autonomy to the Presheva Valley.
Serbia should be persuaded that the way forward to achieve a longlasting peace in the region is for Serbia to rscognise formally/officially Kosovo independence and based on reciprocity respect of rights for Serbs living in northern Kosovo to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc, and Medvegja.
Easier to understand?
Do not go around and around the problem. Here is the solution to my opinion. Serbia to be made to recognize formally Kosovo independence. As two independent countries Kosovo and Serbia can discuss on reciprocity of treatment for minorities living respectively in northern Kosovo and Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
Can everyone count in how many sentences was the way forward?
(EA, 15 January 2013 14:50)
Serbia 'to be made'?? Who the hell is going to make Serbia do anything. The only thing you can even hope for is for a corrupt Serbian elite to sell off Kosovo i Metohija for campaign finances.
"make" he says......boy oh boy Hoxha really did a number on you guys.
"He went on to say that Serbia could discuss a seat for Kosovo in the United Nations, but in that case Priština has to give something too."
Not even 3 days after declaring it, Dacic buries the platform with his own hands. With that sentence, he broke the dam with no chance to return. It is worth mentioning it that the "UN Seat" can be debatable. In can mean observer status, too, which does not need "generosity" from Belgrade. But Dacic's statements is certainly a game changer, just as it is a concession to reality.
Question now remains what was his motive. I speculate that he wanted to push for his ideas (demarcation, partition, etc.). I also guess that this was his way to pay Nikolic back for the platform. By undermining it with that statement he also sealed this coalition. I'm pretty sure that new elections this year are inevitable.
...Dacic went on to say that Serbia "could discuss a seat for Kosovo in the United Nations, but in that case Priština has to give something too"....
I told u guys before,serbs in North will get full economic authonomy in return for Kosovo to get UN membership and Serbia to get the EU date of negotiations.Everybody wins.
This is going to be the deal.
“They are imposing pressure on us through the EU, and we are not letting them join the UN. Should we carry on like this for years?,” he wondered.
Yes absolutely. Because we don't need to join the EU but in order to be considered an actual state they have to join the UN. This Dhaciq is a moron to even compare the two. Over night he turned into the biggest Europhile.
He is committing treason and anywhere else but the Balkans he would be arrested for this violation. Its sad because we all know Serbia cannot physically liberate Kosovo i Metohija because of the international reality, but Serbia is conceding just by being at the same table as organ extractors.
If you get a UN seat then yes, you are a state this cannot be denied. But it would only be because Serbia created your state. Still though, IF that were to ever happen, I would still opt for global conditions to change and go all in for the liberation regardless of all that.
Lets just hope Dhaciq is sitting in a prison cell or at least not in power before that can happen.
Do not go around and around the problem. Here is the solution to my opinion. Serbia to be made to recognize formally Kosovo independence. As two independent countries Kosovo and Serbia can discuss on reciprocity of treatment for minorities living respectively in northern Kosovo and Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
Can everyone count in how many sentences was the way forward?
What is Ivica giving exactly? The UN seat does not depend on Serbia but on the UNSC, of which Serbia is not a member. If he wants autonomy for N Kosova, he should be ready to give autonomy to the Presheva Valley.
...Dacic went on to say that Serbia "could discuss a seat for Kosovo in the United Nations, but in that case Priština has to give something too"....
I told u guys before,serbs in North will get full economic authonomy in return for Kosovo to get UN membership and Serbia to get the EU date of negotiations.Everybody wins.
This is going to be the deal.
"He went on to say that Serbia could discuss a seat for Kosovo in the United Nations, but in that case Priština has to give something too."
Not even 3 days after declaring it, Dacic buries the platform with his own hands. With that sentence, he broke the dam with no chance to return. It is worth mentioning it that the "UN Seat" can be debatable. In can mean observer status, too, which does not need "generosity" from Belgrade. But Dacic's statements is certainly a game changer, just as it is a concession to reality.
Question now remains what was his motive. I speculate that he wanted to push for his ideas (demarcation, partition, etc.). I also guess that this was his way to pay Nikolic back for the platform. By undermining it with that statement he also sealed this coalition. I'm pretty sure that new elections this year are inevitable.
“They are imposing pressure on us through the EU, and we are not letting them join the UN. Should we carry on like this for years?,” he wondered.
Yes absolutely. Because we don't need to join the EU but in order to be considered an actual state they have to join the UN. This Dhaciq is a moron to even compare the two. Over night he turned into the biggest Europhile.
He is committing treason and anywhere else but the Balkans he would be arrested for this violation. Its sad because we all know Serbia cannot physically liberate Kosovo i Metohija because of the international reality, but Serbia is conceding just by being at the same table as organ extractors.
If you get a UN seat then yes, you are a state this cannot be denied. But it would only be because Serbia created your state. Still though, IF that were to ever happen, I would still opt for global conditions to change and go all in for the liberation regardless of all that.
Lets just hope Dhaciq is sitting in a prison cell or at least not in power before that can happen.
Do not go around and around the problem. Here is the solution to my opinion. Serbia to be made to recognize formally Kosovo independence. As two independent countries Kosovo and Serbia can discuss on reciprocity of treatment for minorities living respectively in northern Kosovo and Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
Can everyone count in how many sentences was the way forward?
(EA, 15 January 2013 14:50)
Serbia 'to be made'?? Who the hell is going to make Serbia do anything. The only thing you can even hope for is for a corrupt Serbian elite to sell off Kosovo i Metohija for campaign finances.
"make" he says......boy oh boy Hoxha really did a number on you guys.
Do not go around and around the problem. Here is the solution to my opinion. Serbia to be made to recognize formally Kosovo independence. As two independent countries Kosovo and Serbia can discuss on reciprocity of treatment for minorities living respectively in northern Kosovo and Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
Can everyone count in how many sentences was the way forward?
Serbia should be persuaded that the way forward to achieve a longlasting peace in the region is for Serbia to rscognise formally/officially Kosovo independence and based on reciprocity respect of rights for Serbs living in northern Kosovo to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc, and Medvegja.
Easier to understand?
He went on to say that Serbia "could discuss a seat for Kosovo in the United Nations, but in that case Priština has to give something too".
^^ What he is saying is that bg is willing to DISCUSS Kosovo's bid for membership in UN -- in no shape or form is he saying that Serbia is ready to recognize its neighbor.
He is smart. This is the simplistic form of his argument:
We Albanians and Serbs need to find a way to get along...
(KOSOVA, 15 January 2013 20:24)
============================
Agree, but you have to return what's not yours first.
Just curious, why is the Presevo Valley always in the mix when the Kosovo status issue is brought up here on B92? It can't be just because Albanians live there, is it? As I know, Albanians also live in Macedonia, Greece, and other places, but no conditions are placed on those nations, so why Serbia? Maybe I'm lame, but Albanians seen to use the Albanians in southern Serbia argument, for any resolution to the Serbs in northern Kosovo, is that correct? But, these are two different places, and under the rule of two different governments. Kosovo is under Albanian rule now, with EU/US oversight, where of course Presevo is under Serbian rule. So how do we blend these two places together? What am I missing here? It can't be simply because Albanians live in both locations, can it be? After all, Albanians live in Germany, as well as most EU countries, Greece, the USA, Montenegro, etc., and no conditions are placed on these nations, why? It is not a matter of civil rights, for Albanians have their rights in Serbia.What am I missing here?
Its very clear few nations support kosovo independence more than serbia does! Ambassadors and UN seats and this resolution! meetings with thaci! not doing anything about the desecration of the cemetaries! Cemetaries are being desecrated and serbia does nothing. IT's just wrong to have the expectation that serbia will do anything because no country in the world supports kosovo independence more than serbia, no leader more than dacic, and and no people more than the overwhelming majority of the serbian people.
Just as I expected, Dacic turns out to be pragmatic. A typical example for socialist technocratism. Of course, he still has Nikolic for the nationalist rhetorics to make sure the mob's kept happy.
This Dhaciq is a moron to even compare the two. Over night he turned into the biggest Europhile.
He is committing treason and anywhere else but the Balkans he would be arrested for this violation.
Lets just hope Dhaciq is sitting in a prison cell or at least not in power before that can happen.
(Ari Gold, 15 January 2013 14:47)
I hear you mate and sympathize… Unfortunately, similarly to the entire world, politicians will do what is best for them to keep power. It’s not you or the 2% of the electorate in North Kosovo that will determine Tomislav’s or Ivica’s political future, but the other 98%. Tomislav and Ivica are certainly clever enough to have learned lessons from the history of Slobodan, Vojislav and Boris and how they ended up by focusing on Kosovo for breakfast, lunch and dinner and dumping billions of Serbia’s taxpayer money in a black hole while Serbia’s economy was and is going in ruins. Tomislav and Ivica understand that having something to eat is a higher priority than folk tales of knights fighting against monsters in Kosovo :)
And there is nobody more suitable for traitorous deeds than politicians with patriotic credentials like Tomislav and Ivica; they know the max they can get is a slap on the wrist… Boris would have never dared to do these traitorous deeds. That’s why we’ve always said that Boris’ fall was the best thing for Albanians in Kosovo.
Beta news agency is reporting that Dačić mentioned a "UN seat for Kosovo" as he commented on Hashim Thaci's statement made previously that "the goal of the dialogue with Belgrade was for Kosovo to become a member of the UN".
I hope they will never have a seat with todays conditions.
Albanians will have to make huge concessions to get their buds on a UN chair.
Serbia already lost a lot after NATO bombing, but not everything yet.
And exchanging the preshevo valley is rediculous considering that Kosovo is yet still in serbia according to the UN 1244 resolution.
These are facts !
@Winston this issue has completely gone over your head.
Kosovars don't have issue with Germans ,Bulgarians,Croatians,etc because they are not the one interfering in our internal affairs (North Mitrovica for example).
Since Serbia is the claimant to our indigenous homeland and Presheva Valley is also occupied by Serbia it is only natural that this be brought out into the open.
It is well know Serbia hates non-Serbs so why not let go of them all?
After all these years of Slav misrule I am sure 100% Shqiptares want self-determination.
Serbs are in fact hypocrites when they demand "status region/status/rights" for imported Settler Slav Serbs in Kosova but when compared to what they give in Presheva,Medvedja and Bujanoc we see their traditional hypocracy.
“They are imposing pressure on us through the EU, and we are not letting them join the UN. Should we carry on like this for years?,” he wondered.
Yes absolutely. Because we don't need to join the EU but in order to be considered an actual state they have to join the UN. This Dhaciq is a moron to even compare the two. Over night he turned into the biggest Europhile.
He is committing treason and anywhere else but the Balkans he would be arrested for this violation. Its sad because we all know Serbia cannot physically liberate Kosovo i Metohija because of the international reality, but Serbia is conceding just by being at the same table as organ extractors.
If you get a UN seat then yes, you are a state this cannot be denied. But it would only be because Serbia created your state. Still though, IF that were to ever happen, I would still opt for global conditions to change and go all in for the liberation regardless of all that.
Lets just hope Dhaciq is sitting in a prison cell or at least not in power before that can happen.
...Dacic went on to say that Serbia "could discuss a seat for Kosovo in the United Nations, but in that case Priština has to give something too"....
I told u guys before,serbs in North will get full economic authonomy in return for Kosovo to get UN membership and Serbia to get the EU date of negotiations.Everybody wins.
This is going to be the deal.
Do not go around and around the problem. Here is the solution to my opinion. Serbia to be made to recognize formally Kosovo independence. As two independent countries Kosovo and Serbia can discuss on reciprocity of treatment for minorities living respectively in northern Kosovo and Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
Can everyone count in how many sentences was the way forward?
(EA, 15 January 2013 14:50)
Serbia 'to be made'?? Who the hell is going to make Serbia do anything. The only thing you can even hope for is for a corrupt Serbian elite to sell off Kosovo i Metohija for campaign finances.
"make" he says......boy oh boy Hoxha really did a number on you guys.
Serbia should be persuaded that the way forward to achieve a longlasting peace in the region is for Serbia to rscognise formally/officially Kosovo independence and based on reciprocity respect of rights for Serbs living in northern Kosovo to Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc, and Medvegja.
Easier to understand?
What is Ivica giving exactly? The UN seat does not depend on Serbia but on the UNSC, of which Serbia is not a member. If he wants autonomy for N Kosova, he should be ready to give autonomy to the Presheva Valley.
Do not go around and around the problem. Here is the solution to my opinion. Serbia to be made to recognize formally Kosovo independence. As two independent countries Kosovo and Serbia can discuss on reciprocity of treatment for minorities living respectively in northern Kosovo and Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
Can everyone count in how many sentences was the way forward?
We Albanians and Serbs need to find a way to get along...
(KOSOVA, 15 January 2013 20:24)
============================
Agree, but you have to return what's not yours first.
Beta news agency is reporting that Dačić mentioned a "UN seat for Kosovo" as he commented on Hashim Thaci's statement made previously that "the goal of the dialogue with Belgrade was for Kosovo to become a member of the UN".
I hope they will never have a seat with todays conditions.
Albanians will have to make huge concessions to get their buds on a UN chair.
Serbia already lost a lot after NATO bombing, but not everything yet.
And exchanging the preshevo valley is rediculous considering that Kosovo is yet still in serbia according to the UN 1244 resolution.
These are facts !
Its very clear few nations support kosovo independence more than serbia does! Ambassadors and UN seats and this resolution! meetings with thaci! not doing anything about the desecration of the cemetaries! Cemetaries are being desecrated and serbia does nothing. IT's just wrong to have the expectation that serbia will do anything because no country in the world supports kosovo independence more than serbia, no leader more than dacic, and and no people more than the overwhelming majority of the serbian people.
Just curious, why is the Presevo Valley always in the mix when the Kosovo status issue is brought up here on B92? It can't be just because Albanians live there, is it? As I know, Albanians also live in Macedonia, Greece, and other places, but no conditions are placed on those nations, so why Serbia? Maybe I'm lame, but Albanians seen to use the Albanians in southern Serbia argument, for any resolution to the Serbs in northern Kosovo, is that correct? But, these are two different places, and under the rule of two different governments. Kosovo is under Albanian rule now, with EU/US oversight, where of course Presevo is under Serbian rule. So how do we blend these two places together? What am I missing here? It can't be simply because Albanians live in both locations, can it be? After all, Albanians live in Germany, as well as most EU countries, Greece, the USA, Montenegro, etc., and no conditions are placed on these nations, why? It is not a matter of civil rights, for Albanians have their rights in Serbia.What am I missing here?
"He went on to say that Serbia could discuss a seat for Kosovo in the United Nations, but in that case Priština has to give something too."
Not even 3 days after declaring it, Dacic buries the platform with his own hands. With that sentence, he broke the dam with no chance to return. It is worth mentioning it that the "UN Seat" can be debatable. In can mean observer status, too, which does not need "generosity" from Belgrade. But Dacic's statements is certainly a game changer, just as it is a concession to reality.
Question now remains what was his motive. I speculate that he wanted to push for his ideas (demarcation, partition, etc.). I also guess that this was his way to pay Nikolic back for the platform. By undermining it with that statement he also sealed this coalition. I'm pretty sure that new elections this year are inevitable.
He went on to say that Serbia "could discuss a seat for Kosovo in the United Nations, but in that case Priština has to give something too".
^^ What he is saying is that bg is willing to DISCUSS Kosovo's bid for membership in UN -- in no shape or form is he saying that Serbia is ready to recognize its neighbor.
He is smart. This is the simplistic form of his argument:
This Dhaciq is a moron to even compare the two. Over night he turned into the biggest Europhile.
He is committing treason and anywhere else but the Balkans he would be arrested for this violation.
Lets just hope Dhaciq is sitting in a prison cell or at least not in power before that can happen.
(Ari Gold, 15 January 2013 14:47)
I hear you mate and sympathize… Unfortunately, similarly to the entire world, politicians will do what is best for them to keep power. It’s not you or the 2% of the electorate in North Kosovo that will determine Tomislav’s or Ivica’s political future, but the other 98%. Tomislav and Ivica are certainly clever enough to have learned lessons from the history of Slobodan, Vojislav and Boris and how they ended up by focusing on Kosovo for breakfast, lunch and dinner and dumping billions of Serbia’s taxpayer money in a black hole while Serbia’s economy was and is going in ruins. Tomislav and Ivica understand that having something to eat is a higher priority than folk tales of knights fighting against monsters in Kosovo :)
And there is nobody more suitable for traitorous deeds than politicians with patriotic credentials like Tomislav and Ivica; they know the max they can get is a slap on the wrist… Boris would have never dared to do these traitorous deeds. That’s why we’ve always said that Boris’ fall was the best thing for Albanians in Kosovo.
@Winston this issue has completely gone over your head.
Kosovars don't have issue with Germans ,Bulgarians,Croatians,etc because they are not the one interfering in our internal affairs (North Mitrovica for example).
Since Serbia is the claimant to our indigenous homeland and Presheva Valley is also occupied by Serbia it is only natural that this be brought out into the open.
It is well know Serbia hates non-Serbs so why not let go of them all?
After all these years of Slav misrule I am sure 100% Shqiptares want self-determination.
Serbs are in fact hypocrites when they demand "status region/status/rights" for imported Settler Slav Serbs in Kosova but when compared to what they give in Presheva,Medvedja and Bujanoc we see their traditional hypocracy.
Just as I expected, Dacic turns out to be pragmatic. A typical example for socialist technocratism. Of course, he still has Nikolic for the nationalist rhetorics to make sure the mob's kept happy.
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