hold on, now that we have this we-have-bad-neighbors-on-our-borders argument to the fore don't Greek schools teach about the so called area of Northern Epirus? I remember, even before FYROM was issued with the membership action plan, Greece still had that weird argument about a non NATO member, attacking a NATO nation. still can't get that one out of my head
You seem to have a memory lapse,you haven't heard clown Berisha talking about historical Albanian lands in which he included South Epirus or you hasven't heard about Gruevski laying reafs in front of monuments with maps encompassing Greater Fyrom.You seem to be behind times.
Did you really just write that Leonidas? Threats that Albania & FYROM issue to Greece? How are on Earth are any of those two ever going to attack NATO member Greece? You really seem to gripped by paranoia. You should be careful not to wallow in victim hood, as has happened to the heavenly people
My grandfather wasn't aware of any nation called Albania or people called Albanians.For him they were all Muslim Turks.Under the Ottomans the Albanians served the Sultan as governors, janissaries ,brutal policemen and tax collectors and oppressive landowners.
Leonidas
Dear you and your grandfather contradict yourself. A woman or is pregnant or not. Albanian or are Sultan governors or don’t exist. Please verify if the version that Albanian has never existed and don’t exist is a desire of your grandfather and wiston grandfather and not a fact. This is an old lie as yours grandfathers. The truth has come out for the entire world now. The Albanians are not caveman (even in your extreme dreams), they are the landowners of Kosova, Cameria, Malesia, Toplica, Konica, Janina, etc. end of the story.
Yes the US is a real power. Well what’s happen about bringing democracy to Syria? What are the windbags waiting for considering they are the most powerful country in the world? The Tooth fairy to arrive? Hmm?
Even better how is the debt ceiling going? Has the US stopped borrowing any more? Yes only if you follow freedom and democracy can you borrow and borrow and with a magic wand can you eliminate it all or are they waiting for Jesus to come down to earth and wipe their debt?
When was the last time the lower social economic class got a pay rise in the US? Records say about 15 to 20 years ago. Do you still pay $7.60 per hour for basic work in places like Wal-Mart?
The US population is now so brainwashed into believing they are up there with the best that Canadians just shake their heads. One more term you may be hearing over and over again “we will be back on top in 10 years”. Sounds familiar? That was coined about 2001. The Americans would be starving but TV will tell them they are eating well.
Hey how is the Us efforts going to regain the South China seas? Or perhaps increase the size of their military in Australia? China said no to any increase beyond 2500 in Darwin.
But even better was a questioned asked “if the US has treaty to protect Taiwan from China would it fulfil the treaty? The reply came from one of your US experts who stated “yes but first we have to put in a loan application with Beijing”.
The funny thing is you talk about Albanian lands and thus insinuating that Albanians are an ancient nation.The truth is they are not.
(Leonidas, 15 January 2013 19:10)
Hold on Professor!! You are just too “smart” for us, slow down…
Fell free and send the “firing’ squad, trust me, we will be waiting…
Unlike your fellow Albanians who never miss the opportunity to make claims and threats against their neighbours I am on record arguing against those who advocate change of borders (Kosovo apart).At the same time a message has to be sent to the likes of Berisha of Albania and Gruevski of Fyrom that when they decide to send their Stealth bombers to bomb Greece to get their illusory lands we'll be ready for them with all guns blazing.
BTW If you want my EU membership that you've been yearning for so long you could have it.
(Leonidas, 15 January 2013 18:42)
@Leonidas,
Guns blazing?!!!!! What guns, Greece has guns? You can barely feed yourselves, let alone have your “guns blazing”. Need another loan from EU?
But on the other hand, we do have stealth bombers in disposition (thx to NATO), just let us know when you’re ready to smell the powder.
The Greek claims: At the same time a message has to be sent to the likes of Berisha of Albania and Gruevski of Fyrom!!!
I’m guessing you sent the message?! LMBO … Like they really care what Greeks have to say. The very last fiddle in Europe....
Leonidas, make sure you have food and clothes as you will be running out of that soon in Greece.
My grandfather wasn't aware of any nation called Albania or people called Albanians.For him they were all Muslim Turks.Under the Ottomans the Albanians served the Sultan as governors, janissaries ,brutal policemen and tax collectors and oppressive landowners.Unfortunately for Albanians they found themselves on the losing side during the Balkan wars. Esat Bey Toptani, the Albanian general of Sultan Hammid's forces in Kosovo and Western Fyrom ended up losing both provinces for the Ottomans.
Now if you'd like to learn about Chameria and the crimes committed by the Chams i suggest you read Mark Mazower's book ( British Historian) "Inside Hitler’s Greece".The Chameria Albanians which were part of the Balli Kombetar (National Front) ultra-nationalist movement and the XILIA or Albanian National Committee collaborated with both Italian and German occupation forces in order to create greater Albania. In April, 1944, Albanian Chams participated in the round-up and expulsions of 2,000 Greek Jews from Ioannina to the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp complex.Albanians Chams had also burned down Greek Orthodox villages,and committed atrocities against and murders of Orthodox Greek Christians around Paramythia. I my opinion the Chams by being expelled they got away with murder.The proper punishment should've been the firing squad.
The funny thing is you talk about Albanian lands and thus insinuating that Albanians are an ancient nation.The truth is they are not.
t's funny, in the Balkans, no one is ever guilty :-)...even EU member Leonidas seems to have joined in the fun. As for this map, anyone actually taking this stuff seriously? My favourite bit is Germany annexing parts of Poland where no Germans live! Just brilliant!
(Nikolle, 15 January 2013 12:07)
Unlike your fellow Albanians who never miss the opportunity to make claims and threats against their neighbours I am on record arguing against those who advocate change of borders (Kosovo apart).At the same time a message has to be sent to the likes of Berisha of Albania and Gruevski of Fyrom that when they decide to send their Stealth bombers to bomb Greece to get their illusory lands we'll be ready for them with all guns blazing.
BTW If you want my EU membership that you've been yearning for so long you could have it.
I could definitely see Belarus gone with Poland taking a little bit of it while Russia takes the most of it.
Vojvodina will break away from Serbia at some point and become a protectorate of Hungary but Serbia will get North Kosovo, the bottom of Kosovo will be sucked into Albania. Bosnia will break into 2 or 3 pieces. Makedonia and Greece will fight a short war.
Italians will take parts of Slovenia and Croatia back.
Scotland will become independent.
Catalonia also.
Portugal will lose it's overseas islands
Kurds carve out their own land in Syria, Turkey,, Iraq.
Don't be so hard on these guys, they have to use data and research to come up with their predictions, they are not privy to Malaysian fortune tellers as some are.
After 2+ years of telling everyone how the US is no longer a power, and how we are all living as a 3rd world country, I would think that you would not have any interest in where the US is or will be in the future. Whether it is or not, one thing is for sure it seems to be dominating YOUR life.
TO "BAM BAM" :you mention Milosevic speech at Kossovo polje but have you ever read it ? that speech has been mentioned many time as inflamatory but if you read it you would be surprise to find out the opposite.As for yopur statement that Serbs are "aggressors"....well it is Croatia that set-up REAL concentration camps 60 years ago....
@Leonidas, Wiston. There was no Greece and Serbia before 1800 as there was no Albania before 1900. At this point we are the same. The difference is that when we ask for independent Albania we ask only for lands at that time with majority Albanians, instead Greece and Serbia benefited from the weakness of new born state of Albania to occupy land with majority Albanian ( Kosova, Cameria etc.).If you find a unique source that at 1912 this land was with majority Serbs or Greeks, than you are right. Why dear Leonidas your grandfather ask for lands that was owned by my grandfather. Simple as that. The truths delays but comes. You have a tremendous rapport with truth. We say a “good neighbor is paradise; a bad neighbor is the hell”.
It's funny, in the Balkans, no one is ever guilty :-)...even EU member Leonidas seems to have joined in the fun. As for this map, anyone actually taking this stuff seriously? My favourite bit is Germany annexing parts of Poland where no Germans live! Just brilliant!
@Peggy...Tell me, if Serbia attacked everyone else, why then did Croatians smuggle arms through Hungarian border well back before any hint of war?
Because your beloved Chetniks and Serb lead JNA were armed to the Teeth well before the Croats had a single Kalishnikov. Remember Slobo's speech in Kosovo about the battle of 1389 and Serbian expansionism. In the end the whole world knows that the Serbs are the agressors.....!its as simple as that. Do I have to go on.
I saw the names Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington and it became obvious which “experts’ from Russia came up with this rubbish. They are members of the western Institutes located in Moscow. By the way these same experts predicted that China would be forced open from within and the forces of democracy would take over and china would be a vassal state to Washington.
This is on the premise that the EU no longer exists or is so weak it does not matter.
Let’s look at Croatia and the other half of Bosnia. The Croats are complaining in 2012 about their low birth rate and at this rate by 2035 they will be a minority in Croatia if they take over the Bosnian Croat Federation.
Montenegro and Slovenia could not survive on their own. Then you look at Albania joining up with parts of Kosovo and Macedonia; but who is going to pay for it? Tirana? Yeah in a pigs eye they will. The Germans attempt to reunify east and West Germany and still they have not succeeded and how many billions were spent there?
Chechnya has been fighting the Russians for 100 years and still no success so don’t hold your breath there.
What these experts don’t talk about is the US – 16.4 trillion federal debt plus State debt is more than 17 trillion. By the time Obama finishes his second term the US will be 22 trillion in debt. The west always point the finger at someone else to divert attention from its own devastating financial position.
Albanians led the revolution in Greece? Albanians didn't fire a bullet against their Turkish muslim brothers.From the days of Ali Pasha to the world war II your nation has always been hostile to Greeks and committed crimes against them.As to your threats about greater Albania I will urge you to try it,but when it comes not even the Adriatic will save you.
But again, IF you are German, I know the thought of Jews (and Serbs) sends chills down your spine doesn't it? A good Jew is a Jew in Auschwitz and a good Serb is a Serb in Jasenovac am I right?!
I hope the weather is great in DeutSSchland :)
(Ari Gold
Ari,
A good Albanian, Bosnian, Croat, Slovene, Hungarian, German, American, Brit, French, Westerner,.... forward thinking, democracy loving, is 6 feet under!
Guys in albanian we have an expression" a stupid guy tossed a rock in the river ad 100 wise man went to retrive it". Same thing with this map. So let go of stupid maps and silly things. Focus on making your life better personally so then you can help your neighbors.
As soon as they mentioned Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington it was clear that the “Russian experts” came from western institutes based in Moscow.
Let’s look at the flaws in this scenario which are wider than an oil tanker.
Firstly Croatia and what’s left of Bosnia – considering that even the Croats have been saying that their population is sliding very fast now by 2035 there will be very few Croats in Croatia which would mean Croats being a minority in their own country, and will the Bosnaiks wish to incorporate their entity with Croatia any way? I doubt it very much.
This scenario presented is based on a disintegrated EU because it’s not EUs policy to have to deal with 40 or 50 governments instead of 25 so who will pay for this expanded Albania because Tirana can’t? It fairy land stuff.
Chechnya and Dagestan – well the Russians already have a strong man looking after things in Chechnya now and the Chechens have been fighting the Russian for a very long time and still they have not broken away – more western BS.
What is not mentioned at all (surprise, surprise) is what will the US look like in 2035?
Considering that the US now carries an official debt of 16.4 trillion plus states debt that takes it over 17 trillion, and they estimate that by the end of Obama’s term of office it going to be 22 trillion. Then you have unfunded liabilities of anywhere from 115 trillion to 250 trillion.
Another historical fairytale from the Albanian nationalist Rocky about Albanian lands prior to 1912.You cavemen didn't have an alphabet until 1909 let alone a country called Albania.The truth is Albanians owe their existence to the "great powers." When the Ottoman Empire broke up they were in no position to fight for and achieve an independent state. It was handed to them on a silver platter as was Kosovo .
Speaking of lands,do some historical reading and see who occupies the ancient Greek lands in Southern Albania today.
(Leonidas
These so-called cavemen lead the revolution against the Turks in Greece.
Guess what language almost became the official language in Greece but lost by one vote?
Speaking of cavemen, it looks like there are plenty of them living in Greece who attack jouranlists, minorities and foreign dignitaries.
Judging by your comments and how you refer to certain ethnic groups you may be one, too!
Germany made this experience twice some decades ago, and YU/Serbia made a similar experience not so long ago.
(Comm. Parrisson, 14 January 2013 18:47)
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Don't ever compare Germany with Serbia.
Serbia DID NOT start any war. It was the Serbs living in lands where their traditional enemy, and we all know who they are, have decided to secede and stick their Nazi signs in their face again. Provocation and threat of abuse yet again sprung the Serbs into action and defense of their lives and homes.
You know who the first victim in Bosnia was. Was that the world of Serbia?
You know how the swastika made a comeback in Croatia as soon as they declared independence. What was that signalling to the Serbs?
Think about what you say.
Serbia did not attack anyone. The Serbs were threatened in their own homes and fought back. Yes, they did get some assistance but so did all the other sides.
Tell me, if Serbia attacked everyone else, why then did Croatians smuggle arms through Hungarian border well back before any hint of war?
Some of these predictions are realistic while others are not very likely. The more realistic predictions that I believ are bound to happen is the independence of Republika Srpska, the independence of Scotland, possible greater autonomy for Catalonia, and if Croatia changes its position and supports Croats in Bosnia then independence for Herzegovina. I also believe that slowly but surely we will see a partition of Kosovo in which Serbia keeps sovereignty over the North and the Southern Enclaves while the rest becomes fully independent. It may not be officially agreed upon but it will be a reality. I also see Western Macedonia spiraling into a new conflict but I'm not sure how it would turn out. Other than these predictions everything else that these russian experts have predicted are extremely far fetched and very unlikely to happen.
By 2035 there will exist only One Slavic State called -
Veliko Slavia.
Veliko Slavia will contain all Slavic Peoples in an Union,
a State with some 150-175 Million Inhabitants.
"Prior to 1912 Albania, Kosova, western macodonia, northern Greece, and southeastern Montenegro belong to Albania!" Rocky, as far as I know, Albania became a sovereign nation in 1912, and not recognised until 1913, so I'm not too sure how you came to your claim? All of the territory you mention was under Ottoman rule for 500 years prior to 1912, yes, Albanians lived a favored life, because they converted to Islam, amongst other things, but the territory never belong to Albania before 1912, as there was no Albania then. You must be talking about that Illyrian thing?
Leonidas,There is a Show in Albanian channel vizion plus every Saturday from 9:00 PM.There is a comedian called Leonidas a Greek emigrant in Albania.It might be you the way you think,just like him.
It looks like Bulgaria took its lands back in the NW from Serbian occupation on the map. It could be the Russians prefer the Bulgarians over the Serbians interesting.
LOL willi pfaffiq, if you are really German (I doubt it) you are the LAST person who should be lecturing Serbia about breaking from its 'dark and bloody past'. You have tried (and failed) three times in the past 100 years to occupy Europe under your rule and constantly it has been Serbs to poke a finger in your German eye.
Again, IF your German...but we're all pretty sure your not. Its not your call whether Kosovo i Metohija will be liberated or not. It Jews many years to finally return to their homeland but with perseverance they did it. Now for Serbs, this would be much easier so the wait time would not be nearly as long.
But again, IF you are German, I know the thought of Jews (and Serbs) sends chills down your spine doesn't it? A good Jew is a Jew in Auschwitz and a good Serb is a Serb in Jasenovac am I right?!
Serbia did not start any wars, but was attacked by Anglo-America for a Military Base in Kosovo, in order for them to be able make Continental Europe look like this approximate map that the Experts have made.
Anglo-America is in every Continental European Country, and they have their CIA Agents with Geology Degrees with Trucks and Cars that carry Instruments that Search for Natural Resources, and so they know that they can engineer Border Changes.
Borders can be Changed without wars, because if the People of North Italy say that South Italy is a different Country, and they will not get a cent from the North, and they should agree to split.
A war will do neither the North nor the South any good, then that becomes the Reality on the Ground, and they could agree to make new Countries.
Germany could buy Traditional Polish Land with Money on the Condition that Belarus sells Traditional Polish Land to Poland for Money, and no war is needed for this.
Any Critics who do not write and tell me my supposed delusion or craziness, really cannot write a proper response to my correct comment.
Serbia will not recognize Kosovo as Independent under any circumstances, and so that is the Reality on the Ground, just like it can be in other parts of Continental Europe, even as it is in what is under International Law the territories of Georgia, but they have been recognized by Russia as Independent Countries.
"I have provided short Videos of how the Boundaries of just these 2 Countries have changed over the years and they are Titled Polska Poland Borders 990 – 2008 at [link] , and Political Borders of Germany from 1789 to 2005 at [link] to show that Borders in Europe can change"
(Yet Another J S, 14 January 2013 16:56)
Of course borders can be changed. Especially when a country starts a war against the neighbors and is defeated, its territory is usually reduced and people are expelled. Germany made this experience twice some decades ago, and YU/Serbia made a similar experience not so long ago.
@Leonida "The truth is Albanians owe their existence to the "great powers."
So do Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria. Do you think any of these states would have been independent without Russian help?
The fact is that Albanians had their more or less independent entities way before you. The paschaliks of Shkodra and Janina operated as independent states since 1757 up until 1831, and extended from Preveza all the way to Tivar, and including Kosova and Western Macedonia. Maybe it you who should read some history.
what a bunch of BS... They use an Amercan study and add a few things.
But I can tell you one thing for sure, and I say this as a German. This country, will not ask for any parts of France or Poland, as the Russian study suggests, nor will there be a any movement in France or Poland in those areas to become part of Germany. We are past this ridicules nationalist crap. We see a common European future where borders like they talk about have no more meaning. This is the biggest achievment in European history, because it will make wars on this continent a thing of the past. Even if Scotland for instance, or Catalonia will get some kind of sovereignty, it will still be in the Eropean context, and no new borders will be put up. They are a thing of the past, of our dark past.
But one thing is for sure, Kosovo, will never be part of Serbia again....
This BS study was put together by people of yesterdays thinking, which do not understand anything about what the European Idea means, what it stands for, what good it does to every country which is part of it. Serbia can be a part of it as well, but it needs to do some drastic changes, and break with its dark and bloody past. Learn on how to handle your past from the way the rest of Europe is dealing with it, and see what for instance happened between Germany and France, which were enemies for so long. You can do the same.
Russia has changed for the better? How does this map represent the views of the Russian Government or the Russian people in any way? I don't think anyone was throwing around anti-Russian comments simply for the fact that "Russian experts" tells us absolutely nothing. There were 7,000 people in central Moscow protesting against Putin's bill to ban American adoptions of Russian children, are those people experts too?
Your ridiculous man, most of you guys that come on here are. You use so many exclamation points as if this somehow makes what your saying true. One of the other trolls, (I forgot his name because to me all of you may as well be one person) uses CAPS LOCK TO EMPHASIZE HIS POINTS.
I mean that is stupid, its juvenile and it doesn't get your point across any better or make yourself appear to know what your talking about.
As far as I'm concerned, your just as much of an "expert" as the people who made this map. You posted earlier, got no response so you ramble on again as if your bored with your life.
Another historical fairytale from the Albanian nationalist Rocky about Albanian lands prior to 1912.You cavemen didn't have an alphabet until 1909 let alone a country called Albania.The truth is Albanians owe their existence to the "great powers." When the Ottoman Empire broke up they were in no position to fight for and achieve an independent state. It was handed to them on a silver platter as was Kosovo .
Speaking of lands,do some historical reading and see who occupies the ancient Greek lands in Southern Albania today.
I mentioned that some German and Polish Businesspeople would like Poland to assist in redrawing the Old Boundaries, even though Many European Countries will Resist Border Changes in order to survive.
Experts know that Western Instrument can detect Natural Resources including Gold, Silver, and Rare Earth Metals.
The Scientific Research of Experts of any Nationality should not be quickly dismissed, but it is wise to look at the Message rather than the Messenger.
This is because, either friends or foes can provide true information such as saying smoking is bad for your health, and paid Teachers and unpaid retired Teachers can correctly teach basic Mathematics, and so we must consider the Message rather than the Human Messenger.
Germany and Poland Cooperate, and they want a European Union, and this is why Poland supported Germany over Kosovo.
If Poland can gain Belarusian Land by giving Germany Land then their combined Natural Resources is bigger than before, and Russia gains Belarus and Ukraine.
I have provided short Videos of how the Boundaries of just these 2 Countries have changed over the years and they are Titled Polska Poland Borders 990 – 2008 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=740XiYNIvQs , and Political Borders of Germany from 1789 to 2005 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwsmzHxMktA to show that Borders in Europe can change, and Germany wants Serbia to give away Kosovo, before they proceed with this.
This is not journalism. This is fiction. Who are these "Russian Experts" and what is the pool of data they used to provide this analysis. No names, no sources no nothing...This is funny
@Rocky - you are welcome to invade all the countries you mention as having "occupied albanian land". Just be aware that this could mean albanians RETURNING occupied land. You are not who you think you are so be careful
(Scepticism, 14 January 2013 14:36)
Sorry bud! I can't help you were born a skeptic! It's the truth that the countries I mentioned previously, currently and illegally still occupy large parts of Albanian territory! All one needs to do inorder to get the truth is to look at the history books, its all there in the French, English, Austrian, Hungarian, Italian, etc, historical archives! Also mr. skeptic, This is what the major powers of the world are supporting & backing!, including the Russian experts! Now let's forget about the Albanians for a second! Don't you know, whatever route the major powers take, is the route the entire planet earth takes! I'm serious here bud! Both the Albanians & Serbians, are but small Fish in a ocean with great white sharks patrolling and calling the shots! Serbia can resist, but it is enevitable that she will very shortly fall in line, with what the big powers demand of her! Look at Albania in the last 10 years! A full member of NATO, economy still weak, but growing! Infrastructure modernizing by the day, tourism basically booming! Give it 10..
LOL and when do the Mayans invade from the secret underwater base below the North Pole? Sorry, this is little more than fodder for internet warriors. Scrolling down, I see one of the usual suspects already jumped to the bait. Good boy Rocky, good boy :)
During the Congress of Vienna the European powers believed they will set up the borders once and for ever, with the exception of the lands of the ottoman Empire (with which they could not agree what to do). The same was true during the Versailles Treaties, when “The war to end all wars” ended. The delusion that the map of Europe will last the way it is reached its pinnacle in Helsinki in 1974. We must be very naïve to believe that the map the way it looks now will be the same in mid 21st century. But the tricky thing is that few predictions of changing of the borders have proven correct so far. There is so much uncertainty about what the future may bring so it is futile to make predictions!
Haha, now we have a pack of angry Serbs throwing around anti-Russian comments, weren't these Serbs till yesterday pinning their hopes on Russia? You see Serbia, even Russia has changed for the better, they also have realized that only democracy & justice can prevail... Gone are the days of oppression, ethnic cleansing, genocide of a people, that are a different ethnic group, from their tormentors, as was the Albanian people case, which were brutally oppressed by Serbia for a century now! In the latest case of Serbian oppression, the Albanian inhabitants of Presevo, Medvedja & Bujonovac are being targeted, for the simple reason of erecting a monument commemorating the fallen freedom fighters of Albanian ethnicity, of the area! Fighters that were poorly armed, and still had the will to take on the monstrous Serbia of the 1990s! Albanian freedom fighters, taking on a barbaric & oppressive Serbia, taking on Serbia so that democracy & freedom could take root in the Balkans !!! And today, we have Serbs with the nerve to call these Albanian warriors of democracy "terrorists"! No Serbia, we will let the civilized world & history judge , who was indeed the terrorists of the Balkans!!!
I believe Serbia's future generations, will be horrified by the horrific crimes, their forefathers where found guilty of... Democracy, will be victorious!!!
This is not journalism. This is fiction. Who are these "Russian Experts" and what is the pool of data they used to provide this analysis. No names, no sources no nothing...This is funny
@Rocky - you are welcome to invade all the countries you mention as having "occupied albanian land". Just be aware that this could mean albanians RETURNING occupied land. You are not who you think you are so be careful
Firstly Brzezinski is a Polish duke and nationalist everything he has done is to advance a catholic Poland by using his position in the USA.
His plans envision an encirclement of Russia not an enlargement at certainly not Poland's expense.
CIA has it's own maps and predictions,
dalje.com/en-world/eu-collapse-by-2020-croatia-with.../241061
Croatia enlarging into Bosnia so much is unrealistic it's populations are being forced out of Bosnia and into previous Serb territory it cleansed in Krajina. Dubrovnik talks autonomy, Dalmatia somewhat also, Slavonia disenchanted with it's levels of prosperity and these experts think it will take on that much of Bosnia. Serbs are happy with the economic progress of the RS in comparison to it's Federation counterpart and allowing Banja Luka to join in Croatia after what was done in Knin, well that would be wishful photoshopping not analysis.
Catalonia has a chance but it will end up with larger autonomy not independence.
Scotland, polls suggest a 2 to 1 vote to remain in the United Kingdom.
Russia and Belarus nope but the bet is on Russia completing the Eurasian Union which is what is worrying the West. It is almost there and that would shift world economic power at the exclusion of the establishment in the west.
Who needs WW3 the most is the question? Who's dollar is going and would be a supplier?
It is properly researched analysis by a team of Experts in their Field, and who have studied current European trends, and Deliberated on their Data, which is collected using Proper Scientific Methods.
The European Union project meant different things to different Countries, with England seeing it as a Free Trade Agreement, and others seeing it as a way to regain Traditional Lands.
We know that Germany successful convinced Russia, France, and England to the reunification of Germany, and America as England’s Secret Colony did as England ‘Advised’.
Poland has much of Germany’s Traditional Lands, and that Poland claims it has Traditional Land in Belarus, and some People would like Poland to assist in redrawing the Old Boundaries, but a European Superstate must be created to have the Central Government in Paris and Berlin redraw the Map of Europe.
Perhaps, the Common Currency was designed to create a Powerful Continental European Superstate that does not include Russia, or the British Isles, and probably Serbia, and we know that Britain will never use the Euro.
The Traditional Non Polish Lands of Belarus and Ukraine will not be included in the European Superstate; but they will join Russia as payment at the United Nations Security Council to allow this New European Map.
England will do this to give Scotland their Independence, and France is England’s Ally, and China depends on Trade with England Secret Colony of America.
I wonder what Moscow predicted back in say, 1970? Did they see themselves losing the Cold War? Probably not, or else they wouldn't have bothered wasting 10 years on war in Afghanistan.
LOL who are these "Russian experts" I mean simply stating they are experts doesn't give us much details. So as far as I'm concerned, they are simply people from Russia making these "predictions. Also Brzezinski is 84, I really don't think he will be alive in 2035 so his claims are a little odd unless hes a Nostradamus type figure.
If you wanna say Kosovo i Metohija will be still occupied by Albanians in 2035 ok. But they are going to take part of Macedonia too? So Serbs and Macedonians will just sit there and allow Albanian separatists to take their land? If anything, Macedonia is a trump card Serbia could play for liberating Kosovo i Metohija a lot sooner because if conflict beteween Slavs and Albanians starts in Macedonia, it can easily draw Serbia in.
"Please note that according to this study, Russia will only go bigger and no division and/or partition of any of its territory is envisaged. Coincidence ????"
(Toni, 14 January 2013 13:23)
No, wishful thinking, or as the Englishmen say: 'He who pays the piper calls the tune."
I don't believe it. Of course things will change as they have always done in the course of history but not like this. From time to time various experts come up with new theories and ideas just to draw attention. Please note that according to this study, Russia will only go bigger and no division and/or partition of any of its territory is envisaged. Coincidence ????
Thank you Russia! I've never, for a second doubted your perception of the things that must happen to the borders of the Balkans, that in turn will stabilize the rest of Europe! Prior to 1912 Albania, Kosova, western macodonia, northern Greece, and southeastern Montenegro belong to Albania! Even though, Albania only proclaimed independence in 1912! However when Albania did proclaim its independence in 1912, it did so for all of these Albanian inhabited lands! But, Serbia, Montenegro, Greece & Bulgaria formed an alliancr & where more powerful then Albania, and so they occupied these Albanian inhabited lands! That is why we still have ongoing issues today! A reunited Albania, is the only solution for a peaceful Southern Europe! A totally unified Europe, can only be achieved once Albania is finally given justice, and her lands are again reinstated to her! As for Bosnia, we are all aware that Bosnians and Serbians are actually the same people! The only difference being that a large population converted to Islam! They should one day in the future, be able to live together, although a few years must be given for reconciliation to take root! May democracy & peace prevail... It has been long overdue! Salute, to all of the fallen martyrs for there presitantace and struggles to find justice!
I wonder what Moscow predicted back in say, 1970? Did they see themselves losing the Cold War? Probably not, or else they wouldn't have bothered wasting 10 years on war in Afghanistan.
LOL who are these "Russian experts" I mean simply stating they are experts doesn't give us much details. So as far as I'm concerned, they are simply people from Russia making these "predictions. Also Brzezinski is 84, I really don't think he will be alive in 2035 so his claims are a little odd unless hes a Nostradamus type figure.
If you wanna say Kosovo i Metohija will be still occupied by Albanians in 2035 ok. But they are going to take part of Macedonia too? So Serbs and Macedonians will just sit there and allow Albanian separatists to take their land? If anything, Macedonia is a trump card Serbia could play for liberating Kosovo i Metohija a lot sooner because if conflict beteween Slavs and Albanians starts in Macedonia, it can easily draw Serbia in.
Thank you Russia! I've never, for a second doubted your perception of the things that must happen to the borders of the Balkans, that in turn will stabilize the rest of Europe! Prior to 1912 Albania, Kosova, western macodonia, northern Greece, and southeastern Montenegro belong to Albania! Even though, Albania only proclaimed independence in 1912! However when Albania did proclaim its independence in 1912, it did so for all of these Albanian inhabited lands! But, Serbia, Montenegro, Greece & Bulgaria formed an alliancr & where more powerful then Albania, and so they occupied these Albanian inhabited lands! That is why we still have ongoing issues today! A reunited Albania, is the only solution for a peaceful Southern Europe! A totally unified Europe, can only be achieved once Albania is finally given justice, and her lands are again reinstated to her! As for Bosnia, we are all aware that Bosnians and Serbians are actually the same people! The only difference being that a large population converted to Islam! They should one day in the future, be able to live together, although a few years must be given for reconciliation to take root! May democracy & peace prevail... It has been long overdue! Salute, to all of the fallen martyrs for there presitantace and struggles to find justice!
Another historical fairytale from the Albanian nationalist Rocky about Albanian lands prior to 1912.You cavemen didn't have an alphabet until 1909 let alone a country called Albania.The truth is Albanians owe their existence to the "great powers." When the Ottoman Empire broke up they were in no position to fight for and achieve an independent state. It was handed to them on a silver platter as was Kosovo .
Speaking of lands,do some historical reading and see who occupies the ancient Greek lands in Southern Albania today.
I don't believe it. Of course things will change as they have always done in the course of history but not like this. From time to time various experts come up with new theories and ideas just to draw attention. Please note that according to this study, Russia will only go bigger and no division and/or partition of any of its territory is envisaged. Coincidence ????
Haha, now we have a pack of angry Serbs throwing around anti-Russian comments, weren't these Serbs till yesterday pinning their hopes on Russia? You see Serbia, even Russia has changed for the better, they also have realized that only democracy & justice can prevail... Gone are the days of oppression, ethnic cleansing, genocide of a people, that are a different ethnic group, from their tormentors, as was the Albanian people case, which were brutally oppressed by Serbia for a century now! In the latest case of Serbian oppression, the Albanian inhabitants of Presevo, Medvedja & Bujonovac are being targeted, for the simple reason of erecting a monument commemorating the fallen freedom fighters of Albanian ethnicity, of the area! Fighters that were poorly armed, and still had the will to take on the monstrous Serbia of the 1990s! Albanian freedom fighters, taking on a barbaric & oppressive Serbia, taking on Serbia so that democracy & freedom could take root in the Balkans !!! And today, we have Serbs with the nerve to call these Albanian warriors of democracy "terrorists"! No Serbia, we will let the civilized world & history judge , who was indeed the terrorists of the Balkans!!!
I believe Serbia's future generations, will be horrified by the horrific crimes, their forefathers where found guilty of... Democracy, will be victorious!!!
what a bunch of BS... They use an Amercan study and add a few things.
But I can tell you one thing for sure, and I say this as a German. This country, will not ask for any parts of France or Poland, as the Russian study suggests, nor will there be a any movement in France or Poland in those areas to become part of Germany. We are past this ridicules nationalist crap. We see a common European future where borders like they talk about have no more meaning. This is the biggest achievment in European history, because it will make wars on this continent a thing of the past. Even if Scotland for instance, or Catalonia will get some kind of sovereignty, it will still be in the Eropean context, and no new borders will be put up. They are a thing of the past, of our dark past.
But one thing is for sure, Kosovo, will never be part of Serbia again....
This BS study was put together by people of yesterdays thinking, which do not understand anything about what the European Idea means, what it stands for, what good it does to every country which is part of it. Serbia can be a part of it as well, but it needs to do some drastic changes, and break with its dark and bloody past. Learn on how to handle your past from the way the rest of Europe is dealing with it, and see what for instance happened between Germany and France, which were enemies for so long. You can do the same.
@Leonida "The truth is Albanians owe their existence to the "great powers."
So do Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria. Do you think any of these states would have been independent without Russian help?
The fact is that Albanians had their more or less independent entities way before you. The paschaliks of Shkodra and Janina operated as independent states since 1757 up until 1831, and extended from Preveza all the way to Tivar, and including Kosova and Western Macedonia. Maybe it you who should read some history.
This is not journalism. This is fiction. Who are these "Russian Experts" and what is the pool of data they used to provide this analysis. No names, no sources no nothing...This is funny
@Rocky - you are welcome to invade all the countries you mention as having "occupied albanian land". Just be aware that this could mean albanians RETURNING occupied land. You are not who you think you are so be careful
Germany made this experience twice some decades ago, and YU/Serbia made a similar experience not so long ago.
(Comm. Parrisson, 14 January 2013 18:47)
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Don't ever compare Germany with Serbia.
Serbia DID NOT start any war. It was the Serbs living in lands where their traditional enemy, and we all know who they are, have decided to secede and stick their Nazi signs in their face again. Provocation and threat of abuse yet again sprung the Serbs into action and defense of their lives and homes.
You know who the first victim in Bosnia was. Was that the world of Serbia?
You know how the swastika made a comeback in Croatia as soon as they declared independence. What was that signalling to the Serbs?
Think about what you say.
Serbia did not attack anyone. The Serbs were threatened in their own homes and fought back. Yes, they did get some assistance but so did all the other sides.
Tell me, if Serbia attacked everyone else, why then did Croatians smuggle arms through Hungarian border well back before any hint of war?
LOL willi pfaffiq, if you are really German (I doubt it) you are the LAST person who should be lecturing Serbia about breaking from its 'dark and bloody past'. You have tried (and failed) three times in the past 100 years to occupy Europe under your rule and constantly it has been Serbs to poke a finger in your German eye.
Again, IF your German...but we're all pretty sure your not. Its not your call whether Kosovo i Metohija will be liberated or not. It Jews many years to finally return to their homeland but with perseverance they did it. Now for Serbs, this would be much easier so the wait time would not be nearly as long.
But again, IF you are German, I know the thought of Jews (and Serbs) sends chills down your spine doesn't it? A good Jew is a Jew in Auschwitz and a good Serb is a Serb in Jasenovac am I right?!
"Please note that according to this study, Russia will only go bigger and no division and/or partition of any of its territory is envisaged. Coincidence ????"
(Toni, 14 January 2013 13:23)
No, wishful thinking, or as the Englishmen say: 'He who pays the piper calls the tune."
This is not journalism. This is fiction. Who are these "Russian Experts" and what is the pool of data they used to provide this analysis. No names, no sources no nothing...This is funny
@Rocky - you are welcome to invade all the countries you mention as having "occupied albanian land". Just be aware that this could mean albanians RETURNING occupied land. You are not who you think you are so be careful
(Scepticism, 14 January 2013 14:36)
Sorry bud! I can't help you were born a skeptic! It's the truth that the countries I mentioned previously, currently and illegally still occupy large parts of Albanian territory! All one needs to do inorder to get the truth is to look at the history books, its all there in the French, English, Austrian, Hungarian, Italian, etc, historical archives! Also mr. skeptic, This is what the major powers of the world are supporting & backing!, including the Russian experts! Now let's forget about the Albanians for a second! Don't you know, whatever route the major powers take, is the route the entire planet earth takes! I'm serious here bud! Both the Albanians & Serbians, are but small Fish in a ocean with great white sharks patrolling and calling the shots! Serbia can resist, but it is enevitable that she will very shortly fall in line, with what the big powers demand of her! Look at Albania in the last 10 years! A full member of NATO, economy still weak, but growing! Infrastructure modernizing by the day, tourism basically booming! Give it 10..
LOL and when do the Mayans invade from the secret underwater base below the North Pole? Sorry, this is little more than fodder for internet warriors. Scrolling down, I see one of the usual suspects already jumped to the bait. Good boy Rocky, good boy :)
Russia has changed for the better? How does this map represent the views of the Russian Government or the Russian people in any way? I don't think anyone was throwing around anti-Russian comments simply for the fact that "Russian experts" tells us absolutely nothing. There were 7,000 people in central Moscow protesting against Putin's bill to ban American adoptions of Russian children, are those people experts too?
Your ridiculous man, most of you guys that come on here are. You use so many exclamation points as if this somehow makes what your saying true. One of the other trolls, (I forgot his name because to me all of you may as well be one person) uses CAPS LOCK TO EMPHASIZE HIS POINTS.
I mean that is stupid, its juvenile and it doesn't get your point across any better or make yourself appear to know what your talking about.
As far as I'm concerned, your just as much of an "expert" as the people who made this map. You posted earlier, got no response so you ramble on again as if your bored with your life.
Firstly Brzezinski is a Polish duke and nationalist everything he has done is to advance a catholic Poland by using his position in the USA.
His plans envision an encirclement of Russia not an enlargement at certainly not Poland's expense.
CIA has it's own maps and predictions,
dalje.com/en-world/eu-collapse-by-2020-croatia-with.../241061
Croatia enlarging into Bosnia so much is unrealistic it's populations are being forced out of Bosnia and into previous Serb territory it cleansed in Krajina. Dubrovnik talks autonomy, Dalmatia somewhat also, Slavonia disenchanted with it's levels of prosperity and these experts think it will take on that much of Bosnia. Serbs are happy with the economic progress of the RS in comparison to it's Federation counterpart and allowing Banja Luka to join in Croatia after what was done in Knin, well that would be wishful photoshopping not analysis.
Catalonia has a chance but it will end up with larger autonomy not independence.
Scotland, polls suggest a 2 to 1 vote to remain in the United Kingdom.
Russia and Belarus nope but the bet is on Russia completing the Eurasian Union which is what is worrying the West. It is almost there and that would shift world economic power at the exclusion of the establishment in the west.
Who needs WW3 the most is the question? Who's dollar is going and would be a supplier?
Some of these predictions are realistic while others are not very likely. The more realistic predictions that I believ are bound to happen is the independence of Republika Srpska, the independence of Scotland, possible greater autonomy for Catalonia, and if Croatia changes its position and supports Croats in Bosnia then independence for Herzegovina. I also believe that slowly but surely we will see a partition of Kosovo in which Serbia keeps sovereignty over the North and the Southern Enclaves while the rest becomes fully independent. It may not be officially agreed upon but it will be a reality. I also see Western Macedonia spiraling into a new conflict but I'm not sure how it would turn out. Other than these predictions everything else that these russian experts have predicted are extremely far fetched and very unlikely to happen.
"Prior to 1912 Albania, Kosova, western macodonia, northern Greece, and southeastern Montenegro belong to Albania!" Rocky, as far as I know, Albania became a sovereign nation in 1912, and not recognised until 1913, so I'm not too sure how you came to your claim? All of the territory you mention was under Ottoman rule for 500 years prior to 1912, yes, Albanians lived a favored life, because they converted to Islam, amongst other things, but the territory never belong to Albania before 1912, as there was no Albania then. You must be talking about that Illyrian thing?
Guys in albanian we have an expression" a stupid guy tossed a rock in the river ad 100 wise man went to retrive it". Same thing with this map. So let go of stupid maps and silly things. Focus on making your life better personally so then you can help your neighbors.
As soon as they mentioned Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington it was clear that the “Russian experts” came from western institutes based in Moscow.
Let’s look at the flaws in this scenario which are wider than an oil tanker.
Firstly Croatia and what’s left of Bosnia – considering that even the Croats have been saying that their population is sliding very fast now by 2035 there will be very few Croats in Croatia which would mean Croats being a minority in their own country, and will the Bosnaiks wish to incorporate their entity with Croatia any way? I doubt it very much.
This scenario presented is based on a disintegrated EU because it’s not EUs policy to have to deal with 40 or 50 governments instead of 25 so who will pay for this expanded Albania because Tirana can’t? It fairy land stuff.
Chechnya and Dagestan – well the Russians already have a strong man looking after things in Chechnya now and the Chechens have been fighting the Russian for a very long time and still they have not broken away – more western BS.
What is not mentioned at all (surprise, surprise) is what will the US look like in 2035?
Considering that the US now carries an official debt of 16.4 trillion plus states debt that takes it over 17 trillion, and they estimate that by the end of Obama’s term of office it going to be 22 trillion. Then you have unfunded liabilities of anywhere from 115 trillion to 250 trillion.
@Peggy...Tell me, if Serbia attacked everyone else, why then did Croatians smuggle arms through Hungarian border well back before any hint of war?
Because your beloved Chetniks and Serb lead JNA were armed to the Teeth well before the Croats had a single Kalishnikov. Remember Slobo's speech in Kosovo about the battle of 1389 and Serbian expansionism. In the end the whole world knows that the Serbs are the agressors.....!its as simple as that. Do I have to go on.
My grandfather wasn't aware of any nation called Albania or people called Albanians.For him they were all Muslim Turks.Under the Ottomans the Albanians served the Sultan as governors, janissaries ,brutal policemen and tax collectors and oppressive landowners.
Leonidas
Dear you and your grandfather contradict yourself. A woman or is pregnant or not. Albanian or are Sultan governors or don’t exist. Please verify if the version that Albanian has never existed and don’t exist is a desire of your grandfather and wiston grandfather and not a fact. This is an old lie as yours grandfathers. The truth has come out for the entire world now. The Albanians are not caveman (even in your extreme dreams), they are the landowners of Kosova, Cameria, Malesia, Toplica, Konica, Janina, etc. end of the story.
"I have provided short Videos of how the Boundaries of just these 2 Countries have changed over the years and they are Titled Polska Poland Borders 990 – 2008 at [link] , and Political Borders of Germany from 1789 to 2005 at [link] to show that Borders in Europe can change"
(Yet Another J S, 14 January 2013 16:56)
Of course borders can be changed. Especially when a country starts a war against the neighbors and is defeated, its territory is usually reduced and people are expelled. Germany made this experience twice some decades ago, and YU/Serbia made a similar experience not so long ago.
It looks like Bulgaria took its lands back in the NW from Serbian occupation on the map. It could be the Russians prefer the Bulgarians over the Serbians interesting.
Albanians led the revolution in Greece? Albanians didn't fire a bullet against their Turkish muslim brothers.From the days of Ali Pasha to the world war II your nation has always been hostile to Greeks and committed crimes against them.As to your threats about greater Albania I will urge you to try it,but when it comes not even the Adriatic will save you.
But again, IF you are German, I know the thought of Jews (and Serbs) sends chills down your spine doesn't it? A good Jew is a Jew in Auschwitz and a good Serb is a Serb in Jasenovac am I right?!
I hope the weather is great in DeutSSchland :)
(Ari Gold
Ari,
A good Albanian, Bosnian, Croat, Slovene, Hungarian, German, American, Brit, French, Westerner,.... forward thinking, democracy loving, is 6 feet under!
It's funny, in the Balkans, no one is ever guilty :-)...even EU member Leonidas seems to have joined in the fun. As for this map, anyone actually taking this stuff seriously? My favourite bit is Germany annexing parts of Poland where no Germans live! Just brilliant!
My grandfather wasn't aware of any nation called Albania or people called Albanians.For him they were all Muslim Turks.Under the Ottomans the Albanians served the Sultan as governors, janissaries ,brutal policemen and tax collectors and oppressive landowners.Unfortunately for Albanians they found themselves on the losing side during the Balkan wars. Esat Bey Toptani, the Albanian general of Sultan Hammid's forces in Kosovo and Western Fyrom ended up losing both provinces for the Ottomans.
Now if you'd like to learn about Chameria and the crimes committed by the Chams i suggest you read Mark Mazower's book ( British Historian) "Inside Hitler’s Greece".The Chameria Albanians which were part of the Balli Kombetar (National Front) ultra-nationalist movement and the XILIA or Albanian National Committee collaborated with both Italian and German occupation forces in order to create greater Albania. In April, 1944, Albanian Chams participated in the round-up and expulsions of 2,000 Greek Jews from Ioannina to the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp complex.Albanians Chams had also burned down Greek Orthodox villages,and committed atrocities against and murders of Orthodox Greek Christians around Paramythia. I my opinion the Chams by being expelled they got away with murder.The proper punishment should've been the firing squad.
The funny thing is you talk about Albanian lands and thus insinuating that Albanians are an ancient nation.The truth is they are not.
I saw the names Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington and it became obvious which “experts’ from Russia came up with this rubbish. They are members of the western Institutes located in Moscow. By the way these same experts predicted that China would be forced open from within and the forces of democracy would take over and china would be a vassal state to Washington.
This is on the premise that the EU no longer exists or is so weak it does not matter.
Let’s look at Croatia and the other half of Bosnia. The Croats are complaining in 2012 about their low birth rate and at this rate by 2035 they will be a minority in Croatia if they take over the Bosnian Croat Federation.
Montenegro and Slovenia could not survive on their own. Then you look at Albania joining up with parts of Kosovo and Macedonia; but who is going to pay for it? Tirana? Yeah in a pigs eye they will. The Germans attempt to reunify east and West Germany and still they have not succeeded and how many billions were spent there?
Chechnya has been fighting the Russians for 100 years and still no success so don’t hold your breath there.
What these experts don’t talk about is the US – 16.4 trillion federal debt plus State debt is more than 17 trillion. By the time Obama finishes his second term the US will be 22 trillion in debt. The west always point the finger at someone else to divert attention from its own devastating financial position.
t's funny, in the Balkans, no one is ever guilty :-)...even EU member Leonidas seems to have joined in the fun. As for this map, anyone actually taking this stuff seriously? My favourite bit is Germany annexing parts of Poland where no Germans live! Just brilliant!
(Nikolle, 15 January 2013 12:07)
Unlike your fellow Albanians who never miss the opportunity to make claims and threats against their neighbours I am on record arguing against those who advocate change of borders (Kosovo apart).At the same time a message has to be sent to the likes of Berisha of Albania and Gruevski of Fyrom that when they decide to send their Stealth bombers to bomb Greece to get their illusory lands we'll be ready for them with all guns blazing.
BTW If you want my EU membership that you've been yearning for so long you could have it.
It is properly researched analysis by a team of Experts in their Field, and who have studied current European trends, and Deliberated on their Data, which is collected using Proper Scientific Methods.
The European Union project meant different things to different Countries, with England seeing it as a Free Trade Agreement, and others seeing it as a way to regain Traditional Lands.
We know that Germany successful convinced Russia, France, and England to the reunification of Germany, and America as England’s Secret Colony did as England ‘Advised’.
Poland has much of Germany’s Traditional Lands, and that Poland claims it has Traditional Land in Belarus, and some People would like Poland to assist in redrawing the Old Boundaries, but a European Superstate must be created to have the Central Government in Paris and Berlin redraw the Map of Europe.
Perhaps, the Common Currency was designed to create a Powerful Continental European Superstate that does not include Russia, or the British Isles, and probably Serbia, and we know that Britain will never use the Euro.
The Traditional Non Polish Lands of Belarus and Ukraine will not be included in the European Superstate; but they will join Russia as payment at the United Nations Security Council to allow this New European Map.
England will do this to give Scotland their Independence, and France is England’s Ally, and China depends on Trade with England Secret Colony of America.
During the Congress of Vienna the European powers believed they will set up the borders once and for ever, with the exception of the lands of the ottoman Empire (with which they could not agree what to do). The same was true during the Versailles Treaties, when “The war to end all wars” ended. The delusion that the map of Europe will last the way it is reached its pinnacle in Helsinki in 1974. We must be very naïve to believe that the map the way it looks now will be the same in mid 21st century. But the tricky thing is that few predictions of changing of the borders have proven correct so far. There is so much uncertainty about what the future may bring so it is futile to make predictions!
I mentioned that some German and Polish Businesspeople would like Poland to assist in redrawing the Old Boundaries, even though Many European Countries will Resist Border Changes in order to survive.
Experts know that Western Instrument can detect Natural Resources including Gold, Silver, and Rare Earth Metals.
The Scientific Research of Experts of any Nationality should not be quickly dismissed, but it is wise to look at the Message rather than the Messenger.
This is because, either friends or foes can provide true information such as saying smoking is bad for your health, and paid Teachers and unpaid retired Teachers can correctly teach basic Mathematics, and so we must consider the Message rather than the Human Messenger.
Germany and Poland Cooperate, and they want a European Union, and this is why Poland supported Germany over Kosovo.
If Poland can gain Belarusian Land by giving Germany Land then their combined Natural Resources is bigger than before, and Russia gains Belarus and Ukraine.
I have provided short Videos of how the Boundaries of just these 2 Countries have changed over the years and they are Titled Polska Poland Borders 990 – 2008 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=740XiYNIvQs , and Political Borders of Germany from 1789 to 2005 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwsmzHxMktA to show that Borders in Europe can change, and Germany wants Serbia to give away Kosovo, before they proceed with this.
Serbia did not start any wars, but was attacked by Anglo-America for a Military Base in Kosovo, in order for them to be able make Continental Europe look like this approximate map that the Experts have made.
Anglo-America is in every Continental European Country, and they have their CIA Agents with Geology Degrees with Trucks and Cars that carry Instruments that Search for Natural Resources, and so they know that they can engineer Border Changes.
Borders can be Changed without wars, because if the People of North Italy say that South Italy is a different Country, and they will not get a cent from the North, and they should agree to split.
A war will do neither the North nor the South any good, then that becomes the Reality on the Ground, and they could agree to make new Countries.
Germany could buy Traditional Polish Land with Money on the Condition that Belarus sells Traditional Polish Land to Poland for Money, and no war is needed for this.
Any Critics who do not write and tell me my supposed delusion or craziness, really cannot write a proper response to my correct comment.
Serbia will not recognize Kosovo as Independent under any circumstances, and so that is the Reality on the Ground, just like it can be in other parts of Continental Europe, even as it is in what is under International Law the territories of Georgia, but they have been recognized by Russia as Independent Countries.
By 2035 there will exist only One Slavic State called -
Veliko Slavia.
Veliko Slavia will contain all Slavic Peoples in an Union,
a State with some 150-175 Million Inhabitants.
Leonidas,There is a Show in Albanian channel vizion plus every Saturday from 9:00 PM.There is a comedian called Leonidas a Greek emigrant in Albania.It might be you the way you think,just like him.
Another historical fairytale from the Albanian nationalist Rocky about Albanian lands prior to 1912.You cavemen didn't have an alphabet until 1909 let alone a country called Albania.The truth is Albanians owe their existence to the "great powers." When the Ottoman Empire broke up they were in no position to fight for and achieve an independent state. It was handed to them on a silver platter as was Kosovo .
Speaking of lands,do some historical reading and see who occupies the ancient Greek lands in Southern Albania today.
(Leonidas
These so-called cavemen lead the revolution against the Turks in Greece.
Guess what language almost became the official language in Greece but lost by one vote?
Speaking of cavemen, it looks like there are plenty of them living in Greece who attack jouranlists, minorities and foreign dignitaries.
Judging by your comments and how you refer to certain ethnic groups you may be one, too!
TO "BAM BAM" :you mention Milosevic speech at Kossovo polje but have you ever read it ? that speech has been mentioned many time as inflamatory but if you read it you would be surprise to find out the opposite.As for yopur statement that Serbs are "aggressors"....well it is Croatia that set-up REAL concentration camps 60 years ago....
The funny thing is you talk about Albanian lands and thus insinuating that Albanians are an ancient nation.The truth is they are not.
(Leonidas, 15 January 2013 19:10)
Hold on Professor!! You are just too “smart” for us, slow down…
Fell free and send the “firing’ squad, trust me, we will be waiting…
@Leonidas, Wiston. There was no Greece and Serbia before 1800 as there was no Albania before 1900. At this point we are the same. The difference is that when we ask for independent Albania we ask only for lands at that time with majority Albanians, instead Greece and Serbia benefited from the weakness of new born state of Albania to occupy land with majority Albanian ( Kosova, Cameria etc.).If you find a unique source that at 1912 this land was with majority Serbs or Greeks, than you are right. Why dear Leonidas your grandfather ask for lands that was owned by my grandfather. Simple as that. The truths delays but comes. You have a tremendous rapport with truth. We say a “good neighbor is paradise; a bad neighbor is the hell”.
Yes the US is a real power. Well what’s happen about bringing democracy to Syria? What are the windbags waiting for considering they are the most powerful country in the world? The Tooth fairy to arrive? Hmm?
Even better how is the debt ceiling going? Has the US stopped borrowing any more? Yes only if you follow freedom and democracy can you borrow and borrow and with a magic wand can you eliminate it all or are they waiting for Jesus to come down to earth and wipe their debt?
When was the last time the lower social economic class got a pay rise in the US? Records say about 15 to 20 years ago. Do you still pay $7.60 per hour for basic work in places like Wal-Mart?
The US population is now so brainwashed into believing they are up there with the best that Canadians just shake their heads. One more term you may be hearing over and over again “we will be back on top in 10 years”. Sounds familiar? That was coined about 2001. The Americans would be starving but TV will tell them they are eating well.
Hey how is the Us efforts going to regain the South China seas? Or perhaps increase the size of their military in Australia? China said no to any increase beyond 2500 in Darwin.
But even better was a questioned asked “if the US has treaty to protect Taiwan from China would it fulfil the treaty? The reply came from one of your US experts who stated “yes but first we have to put in a loan application with Beijing”.
Did you really just write that Leonidas? Threats that Albania & FYROM issue to Greece? How are on Earth are any of those two ever going to attack NATO member Greece? You really seem to gripped by paranoia. You should be careful not to wallow in victim hood, as has happened to the heavenly people
You seem to have a memory lapse,you haven't heard clown Berisha talking about historical Albanian lands in which he included South Epirus or you hasven't heard about Gruevski laying reafs in front of monuments with maps encompassing Greater Fyrom.You seem to be behind times.
Don't be so hard on these guys, they have to use data and research to come up with their predictions, they are not privy to Malaysian fortune tellers as some are.
After 2+ years of telling everyone how the US is no longer a power, and how we are all living as a 3rd world country, I would think that you would not have any interest in where the US is or will be in the future. Whether it is or not, one thing is for sure it seems to be dominating YOUR life.
I could definitely see Belarus gone with Poland taking a little bit of it while Russia takes the most of it.
Vojvodina will break away from Serbia at some point and become a protectorate of Hungary but Serbia will get North Kosovo, the bottom of Kosovo will be sucked into Albania. Bosnia will break into 2 or 3 pieces. Makedonia and Greece will fight a short war.
Italians will take parts of Slovenia and Croatia back.
Scotland will become independent.
Catalonia also.
Portugal will lose it's overseas islands
Kurds carve out their own land in Syria, Turkey,, Iraq.
Unlike your fellow Albanians who never miss the opportunity to make claims and threats against their neighbours I am on record arguing against those who advocate change of borders (Kosovo apart).At the same time a message has to be sent to the likes of Berisha of Albania and Gruevski of Fyrom that when they decide to send their Stealth bombers to bomb Greece to get their illusory lands we'll be ready for them with all guns blazing.
BTW If you want my EU membership that you've been yearning for so long you could have it.
(Leonidas, 15 January 2013 18:42)
@Leonidas,
Guns blazing?!!!!! What guns, Greece has guns? You can barely feed yourselves, let alone have your “guns blazing”. Need another loan from EU?
But on the other hand, we do have stealth bombers in disposition (thx to NATO), just let us know when you’re ready to smell the powder.
The Greek claims: At the same time a message has to be sent to the likes of Berisha of Albania and Gruevski of Fyrom!!!
I’m guessing you sent the message?! LMBO … Like they really care what Greeks have to say. The very last fiddle in Europe....
Leonidas, make sure you have food and clothes as you will be running out of that soon in Greece.
hold on, now that we have this we-have-bad-neighbors-on-our-borders argument to the fore don't Greek schools teach about the so called area of Northern Epirus? I remember, even before FYROM was issued with the membership action plan, Greece still had that weird argument about a non NATO member, attacking a NATO nation. still can't get that one out of my head
Thank you Russia! I've never, for a second doubted your perception of the things that must happen to the borders of the Balkans, that in turn will stabilize the rest of Europe! Prior to 1912 Albania, Kosova, western macodonia, northern Greece, and southeastern Montenegro belong to Albania! Even though, Albania only proclaimed independence in 1912! However when Albania did proclaim its independence in 1912, it did so for all of these Albanian inhabited lands! But, Serbia, Montenegro, Greece & Bulgaria formed an alliancr & where more powerful then Albania, and so they occupied these Albanian inhabited lands! That is why we still have ongoing issues today! A reunited Albania, is the only solution for a peaceful Southern Europe! A totally unified Europe, can only be achieved once Albania is finally given justice, and her lands are again reinstated to her! As for Bosnia, we are all aware that Bosnians and Serbians are actually the same people! The only difference being that a large population converted to Islam! They should one day in the future, be able to live together, although a few years must be given for reconciliation to take root! May democracy & peace prevail... It has been long overdue! Salute, to all of the fallen martyrs for there presitantace and struggles to find justice!
LOL who are these "Russian experts" I mean simply stating they are experts doesn't give us much details. So as far as I'm concerned, they are simply people from Russia making these "predictions. Also Brzezinski is 84, I really don't think he will be alive in 2035 so his claims are a little odd unless hes a Nostradamus type figure.
If you wanna say Kosovo i Metohija will be still occupied by Albanians in 2035 ok. But they are going to take part of Macedonia too? So Serbs and Macedonians will just sit there and allow Albanian separatists to take their land? If anything, Macedonia is a trump card Serbia could play for liberating Kosovo i Metohija a lot sooner because if conflict beteween Slavs and Albanians starts in Macedonia, it can easily draw Serbia in.
Haha, now we have a pack of angry Serbs throwing around anti-Russian comments, weren't these Serbs till yesterday pinning their hopes on Russia? You see Serbia, even Russia has changed for the better, they also have realized that only democracy & justice can prevail... Gone are the days of oppression, ethnic cleansing, genocide of a people, that are a different ethnic group, from their tormentors, as was the Albanian people case, which were brutally oppressed by Serbia for a century now! In the latest case of Serbian oppression, the Albanian inhabitants of Presevo, Medvedja & Bujonovac are being targeted, for the simple reason of erecting a monument commemorating the fallen freedom fighters of Albanian ethnicity, of the area! Fighters that were poorly armed, and still had the will to take on the monstrous Serbia of the 1990s! Albanian freedom fighters, taking on a barbaric & oppressive Serbia, taking on Serbia so that democracy & freedom could take root in the Balkans !!! And today, we have Serbs with the nerve to call these Albanian warriors of democracy "terrorists"! No Serbia, we will let the civilized world & history judge , who was indeed the terrorists of the Balkans!!!
I believe Serbia's future generations, will be horrified by the horrific crimes, their forefathers where found guilty of... Democracy, will be victorious!!!
LOL willi pfaffiq, if you are really German (I doubt it) you are the LAST person who should be lecturing Serbia about breaking from its 'dark and bloody past'. You have tried (and failed) three times in the past 100 years to occupy Europe under your rule and constantly it has been Serbs to poke a finger in your German eye.
Again, IF your German...but we're all pretty sure your not. Its not your call whether Kosovo i Metohija will be liberated or not. It Jews many years to finally return to their homeland but with perseverance they did it. Now for Serbs, this would be much easier so the wait time would not be nearly as long.
But again, IF you are German, I know the thought of Jews (and Serbs) sends chills down your spine doesn't it? A good Jew is a Jew in Auschwitz and a good Serb is a Serb in Jasenovac am I right?!
what a bunch of BS... They use an Amercan study and add a few things.
But I can tell you one thing for sure, and I say this as a German. This country, will not ask for any parts of France or Poland, as the Russian study suggests, nor will there be a any movement in France or Poland in those areas to become part of Germany. We are past this ridicules nationalist crap. We see a common European future where borders like they talk about have no more meaning. This is the biggest achievment in European history, because it will make wars on this continent a thing of the past. Even if Scotland for instance, or Catalonia will get some kind of sovereignty, it will still be in the Eropean context, and no new borders will be put up. They are a thing of the past, of our dark past.
But one thing is for sure, Kosovo, will never be part of Serbia again....
This BS study was put together by people of yesterdays thinking, which do not understand anything about what the European Idea means, what it stands for, what good it does to every country which is part of it. Serbia can be a part of it as well, but it needs to do some drastic changes, and break with its dark and bloody past. Learn on how to handle your past from the way the rest of Europe is dealing with it, and see what for instance happened between Germany and France, which were enemies for so long. You can do the same.
Germany made this experience twice some decades ago, and YU/Serbia made a similar experience not so long ago.
(Comm. Parrisson, 14 January 2013 18:47)
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Don't ever compare Germany with Serbia.
Serbia DID NOT start any war. It was the Serbs living in lands where their traditional enemy, and we all know who they are, have decided to secede and stick their Nazi signs in their face again. Provocation and threat of abuse yet again sprung the Serbs into action and defense of their lives and homes.
You know who the first victim in Bosnia was. Was that the world of Serbia?
You know how the swastika made a comeback in Croatia as soon as they declared independence. What was that signalling to the Serbs?
Think about what you say.
Serbia did not attack anyone. The Serbs were threatened in their own homes and fought back. Yes, they did get some assistance but so did all the other sides.
Tell me, if Serbia attacked everyone else, why then did Croatians smuggle arms through Hungarian border well back before any hint of war?
Another historical fairytale from the Albanian nationalist Rocky about Albanian lands prior to 1912.You cavemen didn't have an alphabet until 1909 let alone a country called Albania.The truth is Albanians owe their existence to the "great powers." When the Ottoman Empire broke up they were in no position to fight for and achieve an independent state. It was handed to them on a silver platter as was Kosovo .
Speaking of lands,do some historical reading and see who occupies the ancient Greek lands in Southern Albania today.
This is not journalism. This is fiction. Who are these "Russian Experts" and what is the pool of data they used to provide this analysis. No names, no sources no nothing...This is funny
@Rocky - you are welcome to invade all the countries you mention as having "occupied albanian land". Just be aware that this could mean albanians RETURNING occupied land. You are not who you think you are so be careful
(Scepticism, 14 January 2013 14:36)
Sorry bud! I can't help you were born a skeptic! It's the truth that the countries I mentioned previously, currently and illegally still occupy large parts of Albanian territory! All one needs to do inorder to get the truth is to look at the history books, its all there in the French, English, Austrian, Hungarian, Italian, etc, historical archives! Also mr. skeptic, This is what the major powers of the world are supporting & backing!, including the Russian experts! Now let's forget about the Albanians for a second! Don't you know, whatever route the major powers take, is the route the entire planet earth takes! I'm serious here bud! Both the Albanians & Serbians, are but small Fish in a ocean with great white sharks patrolling and calling the shots! Serbia can resist, but it is enevitable that she will very shortly fall in line, with what the big powers demand of her! Look at Albania in the last 10 years! A full member of NATO, economy still weak, but growing! Infrastructure modernizing by the day, tourism basically booming! Give it 10..
@Leonida "The truth is Albanians owe their existence to the "great powers."
So do Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria. Do you think any of these states would have been independent without Russian help?
The fact is that Albanians had their more or less independent entities way before you. The paschaliks of Shkodra and Janina operated as independent states since 1757 up until 1831, and extended from Preveza all the way to Tivar, and including Kosova and Western Macedonia. Maybe it you who should read some history.
It is properly researched analysis by a team of Experts in their Field, and who have studied current European trends, and Deliberated on their Data, which is collected using Proper Scientific Methods.
The European Union project meant different things to different Countries, with England seeing it as a Free Trade Agreement, and others seeing it as a way to regain Traditional Lands.
We know that Germany successful convinced Russia, France, and England to the reunification of Germany, and America as England’s Secret Colony did as England ‘Advised’.
Poland has much of Germany’s Traditional Lands, and that Poland claims it has Traditional Land in Belarus, and some People would like Poland to assist in redrawing the Old Boundaries, but a European Superstate must be created to have the Central Government in Paris and Berlin redraw the Map of Europe.
Perhaps, the Common Currency was designed to create a Powerful Continental European Superstate that does not include Russia, or the British Isles, and probably Serbia, and we know that Britain will never use the Euro.
The Traditional Non Polish Lands of Belarus and Ukraine will not be included in the European Superstate; but they will join Russia as payment at the United Nations Security Council to allow this New European Map.
England will do this to give Scotland their Independence, and France is England’s Ally, and China depends on Trade with England Secret Colony of America.
This is not journalism. This is fiction. Who are these "Russian Experts" and what is the pool of data they used to provide this analysis. No names, no sources no nothing...This is funny
@Rocky - you are welcome to invade all the countries you mention as having "occupied albanian land". Just be aware that this could mean albanians RETURNING occupied land. You are not who you think you are so be careful
Serbia did not start any wars, but was attacked by Anglo-America for a Military Base in Kosovo, in order for them to be able make Continental Europe look like this approximate map that the Experts have made.
Anglo-America is in every Continental European Country, and they have their CIA Agents with Geology Degrees with Trucks and Cars that carry Instruments that Search for Natural Resources, and so they know that they can engineer Border Changes.
Borders can be Changed without wars, because if the People of North Italy say that South Italy is a different Country, and they will not get a cent from the North, and they should agree to split.
A war will do neither the North nor the South any good, then that becomes the Reality on the Ground, and they could agree to make new Countries.
Germany could buy Traditional Polish Land with Money on the Condition that Belarus sells Traditional Polish Land to Poland for Money, and no war is needed for this.
Any Critics who do not write and tell me my supposed delusion or craziness, really cannot write a proper response to my correct comment.
Serbia will not recognize Kosovo as Independent under any circumstances, and so that is the Reality on the Ground, just like it can be in other parts of Continental Europe, even as it is in what is under International Law the territories of Georgia, but they have been recognized by Russia as Independent Countries.
But again, IF you are German, I know the thought of Jews (and Serbs) sends chills down your spine doesn't it? A good Jew is a Jew in Auschwitz and a good Serb is a Serb in Jasenovac am I right?!
I hope the weather is great in DeutSSchland :)
(Ari Gold
Ari,
A good Albanian, Bosnian, Croat, Slovene, Hungarian, German, American, Brit, French, Westerner,.... forward thinking, democracy loving, is 6 feet under!
Russia has changed for the better? How does this map represent the views of the Russian Government or the Russian people in any way? I don't think anyone was throwing around anti-Russian comments simply for the fact that "Russian experts" tells us absolutely nothing. There were 7,000 people in central Moscow protesting against Putin's bill to ban American adoptions of Russian children, are those people experts too?
Your ridiculous man, most of you guys that come on here are. You use so many exclamation points as if this somehow makes what your saying true. One of the other trolls, (I forgot his name because to me all of you may as well be one person) uses CAPS LOCK TO EMPHASIZE HIS POINTS.
I mean that is stupid, its juvenile and it doesn't get your point across any better or make yourself appear to know what your talking about.
As far as I'm concerned, your just as much of an "expert" as the people who made this map. You posted earlier, got no response so you ramble on again as if your bored with your life.
By 2035 there will exist only One Slavic State called -
Veliko Slavia.
Veliko Slavia will contain all Slavic Peoples in an Union,
a State with some 150-175 Million Inhabitants.
Another historical fairytale from the Albanian nationalist Rocky about Albanian lands prior to 1912.You cavemen didn't have an alphabet until 1909 let alone a country called Albania.The truth is Albanians owe their existence to the "great powers." When the Ottoman Empire broke up they were in no position to fight for and achieve an independent state. It was handed to them on a silver platter as was Kosovo .
Speaking of lands,do some historical reading and see who occupies the ancient Greek lands in Southern Albania today.
(Leonidas
These so-called cavemen lead the revolution against the Turks in Greece.
Guess what language almost became the official language in Greece but lost by one vote?
Speaking of cavemen, it looks like there are plenty of them living in Greece who attack jouranlists, minorities and foreign dignitaries.
Judging by your comments and how you refer to certain ethnic groups you may be one, too!
LOL and when do the Mayans invade from the secret underwater base below the North Pole? Sorry, this is little more than fodder for internet warriors. Scrolling down, I see one of the usual suspects already jumped to the bait. Good boy Rocky, good boy :)
I don't believe it. Of course things will change as they have always done in the course of history but not like this. From time to time various experts come up with new theories and ideas just to draw attention. Please note that according to this study, Russia will only go bigger and no division and/or partition of any of its territory is envisaged. Coincidence ????
I mentioned that some German and Polish Businesspeople would like Poland to assist in redrawing the Old Boundaries, even though Many European Countries will Resist Border Changes in order to survive.
Experts know that Western Instrument can detect Natural Resources including Gold, Silver, and Rare Earth Metals.
The Scientific Research of Experts of any Nationality should not be quickly dismissed, but it is wise to look at the Message rather than the Messenger.
This is because, either friends or foes can provide true information such as saying smoking is bad for your health, and paid Teachers and unpaid retired Teachers can correctly teach basic Mathematics, and so we must consider the Message rather than the Human Messenger.
Germany and Poland Cooperate, and they want a European Union, and this is why Poland supported Germany over Kosovo.
If Poland can gain Belarusian Land by giving Germany Land then their combined Natural Resources is bigger than before, and Russia gains Belarus and Ukraine.
I have provided short Videos of how the Boundaries of just these 2 Countries have changed over the years and they are Titled Polska Poland Borders 990 – 2008 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=740XiYNIvQs , and Political Borders of Germany from 1789 to 2005 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwsmzHxMktA to show that Borders in Europe can change, and Germany wants Serbia to give away Kosovo, before they proceed with this.
"I have provided short Videos of how the Boundaries of just these 2 Countries have changed over the years and they are Titled Polska Poland Borders 990 – 2008 at [link] , and Political Borders of Germany from 1789 to 2005 at [link] to show that Borders in Europe can change"
(Yet Another J S, 14 January 2013 16:56)
Of course borders can be changed. Especially when a country starts a war against the neighbors and is defeated, its territory is usually reduced and people are expelled. Germany made this experience twice some decades ago, and YU/Serbia made a similar experience not so long ago.
It looks like Bulgaria took its lands back in the NW from Serbian occupation on the map. It could be the Russians prefer the Bulgarians over the Serbians interesting.
As soon as they mentioned Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington it was clear that the “Russian experts” came from western institutes based in Moscow.
Let’s look at the flaws in this scenario which are wider than an oil tanker.
Firstly Croatia and what’s left of Bosnia – considering that even the Croats have been saying that their population is sliding very fast now by 2035 there will be very few Croats in Croatia which would mean Croats being a minority in their own country, and will the Bosnaiks wish to incorporate their entity with Croatia any way? I doubt it very much.
This scenario presented is based on a disintegrated EU because it’s not EUs policy to have to deal with 40 or 50 governments instead of 25 so who will pay for this expanded Albania because Tirana can’t? It fairy land stuff.
Chechnya and Dagestan – well the Russians already have a strong man looking after things in Chechnya now and the Chechens have been fighting the Russian for a very long time and still they have not broken away – more western BS.
What is not mentioned at all (surprise, surprise) is what will the US look like in 2035?
Considering that the US now carries an official debt of 16.4 trillion plus states debt that takes it over 17 trillion, and they estimate that by the end of Obama’s term of office it going to be 22 trillion. Then you have unfunded liabilities of anywhere from 115 trillion to 250 trillion.
Albanians led the revolution in Greece? Albanians didn't fire a bullet against their Turkish muslim brothers.From the days of Ali Pasha to the world war II your nation has always been hostile to Greeks and committed crimes against them.As to your threats about greater Albania I will urge you to try it,but when it comes not even the Adriatic will save you.
My grandfather wasn't aware of any nation called Albania or people called Albanians.For him they were all Muslim Turks.Under the Ottomans the Albanians served the Sultan as governors, janissaries ,brutal policemen and tax collectors and oppressive landowners.
Leonidas
Dear you and your grandfather contradict yourself. A woman or is pregnant or not. Albanian or are Sultan governors or don’t exist. Please verify if the version that Albanian has never existed and don’t exist is a desire of your grandfather and wiston grandfather and not a fact. This is an old lie as yours grandfathers. The truth has come out for the entire world now. The Albanians are not caveman (even in your extreme dreams), they are the landowners of Kosova, Cameria, Malesia, Toplica, Konica, Janina, etc. end of the story.
Firstly Brzezinski is a Polish duke and nationalist everything he has done is to advance a catholic Poland by using his position in the USA.
His plans envision an encirclement of Russia not an enlargement at certainly not Poland's expense.
CIA has it's own maps and predictions,
dalje.com/en-world/eu-collapse-by-2020-croatia-with.../241061
Croatia enlarging into Bosnia so much is unrealistic it's populations are being forced out of Bosnia and into previous Serb territory it cleansed in Krajina. Dubrovnik talks autonomy, Dalmatia somewhat also, Slavonia disenchanted with it's levels of prosperity and these experts think it will take on that much of Bosnia. Serbs are happy with the economic progress of the RS in comparison to it's Federation counterpart and allowing Banja Luka to join in Croatia after what was done in Knin, well that would be wishful photoshopping not analysis.
Catalonia has a chance but it will end up with larger autonomy not independence.
Scotland, polls suggest a 2 to 1 vote to remain in the United Kingdom.
Russia and Belarus nope but the bet is on Russia completing the Eurasian Union which is what is worrying the West. It is almost there and that would shift world economic power at the exclusion of the establishment in the west.
Who needs WW3 the most is the question? Who's dollar is going and would be a supplier?
Leonidas,There is a Show in Albanian channel vizion plus every Saturday from 9:00 PM.There is a comedian called Leonidas a Greek emigrant in Albania.It might be you the way you think,just like him.
TO "BAM BAM" :you mention Milosevic speech at Kossovo polje but have you ever read it ? that speech has been mentioned many time as inflamatory but if you read it you would be surprise to find out the opposite.As for yopur statement that Serbs are "aggressors"....well it is Croatia that set-up REAL concentration camps 60 years ago....
"Prior to 1912 Albania, Kosova, western macodonia, northern Greece, and southeastern Montenegro belong to Albania!" Rocky, as far as I know, Albania became a sovereign nation in 1912, and not recognised until 1913, so I'm not too sure how you came to your claim? All of the territory you mention was under Ottoman rule for 500 years prior to 1912, yes, Albanians lived a favored life, because they converted to Islam, amongst other things, but the territory never belong to Albania before 1912, as there was no Albania then. You must be talking about that Illyrian thing?
Unlike your fellow Albanians who never miss the opportunity to make claims and threats against their neighbours I am on record arguing against those who advocate change of borders (Kosovo apart).At the same time a message has to be sent to the likes of Berisha of Albania and Gruevski of Fyrom that when they decide to send their Stealth bombers to bomb Greece to get their illusory lands we'll be ready for them with all guns blazing.
BTW If you want my EU membership that you've been yearning for so long you could have it.
(Leonidas, 15 January 2013 18:42)
@Leonidas,
Guns blazing?!!!!! What guns, Greece has guns? You can barely feed yourselves, let alone have your “guns blazing”. Need another loan from EU?
But on the other hand, we do have stealth bombers in disposition (thx to NATO), just let us know when you’re ready to smell the powder.
The Greek claims: At the same time a message has to be sent to the likes of Berisha of Albania and Gruevski of Fyrom!!!
I’m guessing you sent the message?! LMBO … Like they really care what Greeks have to say. The very last fiddle in Europe....
Leonidas, make sure you have food and clothes as you will be running out of that soon in Greece.
"Please note that according to this study, Russia will only go bigger and no division and/or partition of any of its territory is envisaged. Coincidence ????"
(Toni, 14 January 2013 13:23)
No, wishful thinking, or as the Englishmen say: 'He who pays the piper calls the tune."
I saw the names Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington and it became obvious which “experts’ from Russia came up with this rubbish. They are members of the western Institutes located in Moscow. By the way these same experts predicted that China would be forced open from within and the forces of democracy would take over and china would be a vassal state to Washington.
This is on the premise that the EU no longer exists or is so weak it does not matter.
Let’s look at Croatia and the other half of Bosnia. The Croats are complaining in 2012 about their low birth rate and at this rate by 2035 they will be a minority in Croatia if they take over the Bosnian Croat Federation.
Montenegro and Slovenia could not survive on their own. Then you look at Albania joining up with parts of Kosovo and Macedonia; but who is going to pay for it? Tirana? Yeah in a pigs eye they will. The Germans attempt to reunify east and West Germany and still they have not succeeded and how many billions were spent there?
Chechnya has been fighting the Russians for 100 years and still no success so don’t hold your breath there.
What these experts don’t talk about is the US – 16.4 trillion federal debt plus State debt is more than 17 trillion. By the time Obama finishes his second term the US will be 22 trillion in debt. The west always point the finger at someone else to divert attention from its own devastating financial position.
@Peggy...Tell me, if Serbia attacked everyone else, why then did Croatians smuggle arms through Hungarian border well back before any hint of war?
Because your beloved Chetniks and Serb lead JNA were armed to the Teeth well before the Croats had a single Kalishnikov. Remember Slobo's speech in Kosovo about the battle of 1389 and Serbian expansionism. In the end the whole world knows that the Serbs are the agressors.....!its as simple as that. Do I have to go on.
I wonder what Moscow predicted back in say, 1970? Did they see themselves losing the Cold War? Probably not, or else they wouldn't have bothered wasting 10 years on war in Afghanistan.
Some of these predictions are realistic while others are not very likely. The more realistic predictions that I believ are bound to happen is the independence of Republika Srpska, the independence of Scotland, possible greater autonomy for Catalonia, and if Croatia changes its position and supports Croats in Bosnia then independence for Herzegovina. I also believe that slowly but surely we will see a partition of Kosovo in which Serbia keeps sovereignty over the North and the Southern Enclaves while the rest becomes fully independent. It may not be officially agreed upon but it will be a reality. I also see Western Macedonia spiraling into a new conflict but I'm not sure how it would turn out. Other than these predictions everything else that these russian experts have predicted are extremely far fetched and very unlikely to happen.
My grandfather wasn't aware of any nation called Albania or people called Albanians.For him they were all Muslim Turks.Under the Ottomans the Albanians served the Sultan as governors, janissaries ,brutal policemen and tax collectors and oppressive landowners.Unfortunately for Albanians they found themselves on the losing side during the Balkan wars. Esat Bey Toptani, the Albanian general of Sultan Hammid's forces in Kosovo and Western Fyrom ended up losing both provinces for the Ottomans.
Now if you'd like to learn about Chameria and the crimes committed by the Chams i suggest you read Mark Mazower's book ( British Historian) "Inside Hitler’s Greece".The Chameria Albanians which were part of the Balli Kombetar (National Front) ultra-nationalist movement and the XILIA or Albanian National Committee collaborated with both Italian and German occupation forces in order to create greater Albania. In April, 1944, Albanian Chams participated in the round-up and expulsions of 2,000 Greek Jews from Ioannina to the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp complex.Albanians Chams had also burned down Greek Orthodox villages,and committed atrocities against and murders of Orthodox Greek Christians around Paramythia. I my opinion the Chams by being expelled they got away with murder.The proper punishment should've been the firing squad.
The funny thing is you talk about Albanian lands and thus insinuating that Albanians are an ancient nation.The truth is they are not.
The funny thing is you talk about Albanian lands and thus insinuating that Albanians are an ancient nation.The truth is they are not.
(Leonidas, 15 January 2013 19:10)
Hold on Professor!! You are just too “smart” for us, slow down…
Fell free and send the “firing’ squad, trust me, we will be waiting…
During the Congress of Vienna the European powers believed they will set up the borders once and for ever, with the exception of the lands of the ottoman Empire (with which they could not agree what to do). The same was true during the Versailles Treaties, when “The war to end all wars” ended. The delusion that the map of Europe will last the way it is reached its pinnacle in Helsinki in 1974. We must be very naïve to believe that the map the way it looks now will be the same in mid 21st century. But the tricky thing is that few predictions of changing of the borders have proven correct so far. There is so much uncertainty about what the future may bring so it is futile to make predictions!
Guys in albanian we have an expression" a stupid guy tossed a rock in the river ad 100 wise man went to retrive it". Same thing with this map. So let go of stupid maps and silly things. Focus on making your life better personally so then you can help your neighbors.
@Leonidas, Wiston. There was no Greece and Serbia before 1800 as there was no Albania before 1900. At this point we are the same. The difference is that when we ask for independent Albania we ask only for lands at that time with majority Albanians, instead Greece and Serbia benefited from the weakness of new born state of Albania to occupy land with majority Albanian ( Kosova, Cameria etc.).If you find a unique source that at 1912 this land was with majority Serbs or Greeks, than you are right. Why dear Leonidas your grandfather ask for lands that was owned by my grandfather. Simple as that. The truths delays but comes. You have a tremendous rapport with truth. We say a “good neighbor is paradise; a bad neighbor is the hell”.
t's funny, in the Balkans, no one is ever guilty :-)...even EU member Leonidas seems to have joined in the fun. As for this map, anyone actually taking this stuff seriously? My favourite bit is Germany annexing parts of Poland where no Germans live! Just brilliant!
(Nikolle, 15 January 2013 12:07)
Unlike your fellow Albanians who never miss the opportunity to make claims and threats against their neighbours I am on record arguing against those who advocate change of borders (Kosovo apart).At the same time a message has to be sent to the likes of Berisha of Albania and Gruevski of Fyrom that when they decide to send their Stealth bombers to bomb Greece to get their illusory lands we'll be ready for them with all guns blazing.
BTW If you want my EU membership that you've been yearning for so long you could have it.
Did you really just write that Leonidas? Threats that Albania & FYROM issue to Greece? How are on Earth are any of those two ever going to attack NATO member Greece? You really seem to gripped by paranoia. You should be careful not to wallow in victim hood, as has happened to the heavenly people
I could definitely see Belarus gone with Poland taking a little bit of it while Russia takes the most of it.
Vojvodina will break away from Serbia at some point and become a protectorate of Hungary but Serbia will get North Kosovo, the bottom of Kosovo will be sucked into Albania. Bosnia will break into 2 or 3 pieces. Makedonia and Greece will fight a short war.
Italians will take parts of Slovenia and Croatia back.
Scotland will become independent.
Catalonia also.
Portugal will lose it's overseas islands
Kurds carve out their own land in Syria, Turkey,, Iraq.
hold on, now that we have this we-have-bad-neighbors-on-our-borders argument to the fore don't Greek schools teach about the so called area of Northern Epirus? I remember, even before FYROM was issued with the membership action plan, Greece still had that weird argument about a non NATO member, attacking a NATO nation. still can't get that one out of my head
It's funny, in the Balkans, no one is ever guilty :-)...even EU member Leonidas seems to have joined in the fun. As for this map, anyone actually taking this stuff seriously? My favourite bit is Germany annexing parts of Poland where no Germans live! Just brilliant!
Yes the US is a real power. Well what’s happen about bringing democracy to Syria? What are the windbags waiting for considering they are the most powerful country in the world? The Tooth fairy to arrive? Hmm?
Even better how is the debt ceiling going? Has the US stopped borrowing any more? Yes only if you follow freedom and democracy can you borrow and borrow and with a magic wand can you eliminate it all or are they waiting for Jesus to come down to earth and wipe their debt?
When was the last time the lower social economic class got a pay rise in the US? Records say about 15 to 20 years ago. Do you still pay $7.60 per hour for basic work in places like Wal-Mart?
The US population is now so brainwashed into believing they are up there with the best that Canadians just shake their heads. One more term you may be hearing over and over again “we will be back on top in 10 years”. Sounds familiar? That was coined about 2001. The Americans would be starving but TV will tell them they are eating well.
Hey how is the Us efforts going to regain the South China seas? Or perhaps increase the size of their military in Australia? China said no to any increase beyond 2500 in Darwin.
But even better was a questioned asked “if the US has treaty to protect Taiwan from China would it fulfil the treaty? The reply came from one of your US experts who stated “yes but first we have to put in a loan application with Beijing”.
You seem to have a memory lapse,you haven't heard clown Berisha talking about historical Albanian lands in which he included South Epirus or you hasven't heard about Gruevski laying reafs in front of monuments with maps encompassing Greater Fyrom.You seem to be behind times.
Don't be so hard on these guys, they have to use data and research to come up with their predictions, they are not privy to Malaysian fortune tellers as some are.
After 2+ years of telling everyone how the US is no longer a power, and how we are all living as a 3rd world country, I would think that you would not have any interest in where the US is or will be in the future. Whether it is or not, one thing is for sure it seems to be dominating YOUR life.
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