U.S. expert says Kosovo platform is “Milošević’s dream”

"With such formula Albanians would end up without a state and they would continue to live inside Serbia’s borders and that was precisely Milošević’s dream,“ explained the Johns Hopkins University professor."

No, Milosevic's dream was exactly NOT to have Albanians living inside Serbia's border.

Serwer is surprisingly naive for a person that is holding a degree... =)

the Republika Srpska will join Serbia sooner or later, not because the Serbs are so evil or Slobo-like, but just because BiH will finish itself, the Croats are already looking towards Zagreb today, and it´s very unlikely that they will change their loyalties...

as for further conflicts, yes there will perhaps be new conflicts... and those who are laughing today will be running tomorrow.
or let´s put it the other way - "natural Albania" will end up in a rathole.

the only thing that I can emphasize here is that it´s the first time an american is admitting that this is not over yet. they know very well that they can only try to minimize the bad consequences for themselves, but drawing Serbia´s borders is just a bit more than the US can swallow.

let´s just see what future brings...

This mans opinions are irrelevant as Serbia should not even pay attention to such a Serbophobe. This is like a Palestinian or Nazi German 'analyst' telling the Jews how they should or shouldn't govern their own country. Milosevic's dream? Slobo was a softy, a communist clown. Had Karadzic been President of Serbia and/or Mladic led troops in Kosovo i Metohija we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

Serbia ought to freeze this conflict, the absolute best Albs in Kosovo i Metohija can hope for is a Palestine status which is still light years from being an actual state. Serbia ought to proclaim Kosovo i Metohija a temporarily occupied territory and deal with the problem when conditions are favorable.

Niccolo Machiavelli says you shouldn't avoid conflict with opponents but rather hold off until the opportunity becomes favorable for you to engage in conflict with your enemies.

By choosing not to join the EU, Serbia could announce the end of 'negotiations' and Kosovo i Metohija will be a frozen conflict left for another time.

Milosevic has nothing to do with it. It's every Serbians' dream. Always. Kosovo was and always will be Serbia, REGARDLESS of what ethnic group or government is in power. The Turks stole it away for 500 years and it was won back. And even if it takes another 500 years, it will be won back once again !

Daniel Serwer pretty much nailed it in all points. The so-called platform is a joke, since it advocates Kosovo to stay within in Serbia PLUS enduring a Republika Srpska on Kosovo's soil. With other words, slapped twice for getting nothing. This only is the blatant illusion where Belgrade just lies to itself and the own people. Kosovo has round about 100 recognitions which won't be given up, and certainly not because of that useless platform.

Furthermore, Daniel Serwer also mentioned that the platform will have no effect (for Serbia), as long as Serbia does not come up with it during the negotiations. If this persists, it remains what it is; ink on paper. This is agreeable and likely to happen. Serbia has nothing to pressure that wish and is herself a political and economic mess.

Last but not least, BiH. We all know that the Serbian game is about trying get "anything". "If not Kosovo, then the Bosnian entity". That kind of thinking does not belong in the 21st century and will be opposed in all matters and on all levels. Of course, the obstructive policy of Dodik makes progress in Bosnia difficult, but compared to the problems of having an independent RS, it is manageable. The people in the Serbian entity will have to see for themselves that they will not go anywhere, even if they continue to be like this the next 17 years, because no matter how long it might take, genocide will never ever be rewarded.

This U.S. so-called 'expert' has a twinkle in his eyes when he talks about renewed feuding and provocation. Although the Serbs and Albanians don't get along at all, they seem to have a better grip on peace than any outside influences.

The fact that this long time trouble maker doesn't like the current Serbian platform, it gives me hope.

By choosing not to join the EU, Serbia could announce the end of 'negotiations' and Kosovo i Metohija will be a frozen conflict left for another time.
(Ari Gold, 11 January 2013 14:42)

Ari,

Have you not noticed how desperate Serbia is to join the EU. Do you really think that Serbia has any more cards to play. Since you do not live in Serbia, you cannot understand how bleak her situation is. Serbia is between a rock and a hard place. She has long run out of options, but is still attempting to flex its emaciated muscles. In short, Serbia's position is hopeless. Take off your blinders, Ari.

Miri, I don't know who talks more nonsense, you or Sewer? Serbs didn't lose any war, what war, declared on Serbia by whom? I recall a so-called "humanitarian intervention" in 1999 against the former Yugoslavia, that included today's Montenegro, orchestrated by the Clinton administration for self serving purposes, but I do not remember a war. As for borders, how have they changed? The Albanians want to create one with southern Serbia, but the Serbs say no. There can be an administrative line, as there exists today. Whether Complete sovereignty over KiM ever happens again, who knows, the world is in constant change. Like I mentioned, Pristina can play "we are a country" with their backers, just leave the Serbs in the north alone, they want nothing to do with Pristina, and that's not Milosevic talking.

Why so one sided, Daniel? A supposed expert on the Balkans, who is still making reference to Milosevic, is clearly working for the Albanian cause. Milosevic wanted something completely different for KiM, not just autonomy for the North, with no recognition. An independent KiM was not even on the radar in the late 90's, except for some Albanian separatists, but they have wanted that for centuries. Basically what Serbs, and Belgrade wants, is autonomy for its people, concentrated in the North, nothing to do with Pristina but maintain a cease fire, with recognition out of the question. Pristina can continue to play "we are a country" with their friends, and leave Serbia alone. I don't think that is too much to ask for. No one is talking about redrawing any borders, because for the Serbs, they have never changed. As for you Danny boy, get a life, that old Milosevic song is, well, really old, and used up.
If you would like an honest opinion, and facts, on what really happening Kosovo, watch this Noam Chomsky interview on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEhgwdJldeU

By choosing not to join the EU, Serbia could announce the end of 'negotiations' and Kosovo i Metohija will be a frozen conflict left for another time.
(Ari Gold, 11 January 2013 14:42)

Ari,

I agree with you on that you are not ready mate....what was the interest rate on the loan Serbia got from Russia recently?)))))

When you are ready give us a shout...if I am not still in this world...I will pass the message to my little one....)))

All humans have dreams Sir, not only SPECIAL PEOPLE that are exempt from the Hague.

Look it here: Clinton's dream was for Monica to build another spare around her waist
and sing him Happy Birthday Mr. President until Alfright introduced the boy to Kosova.
Alfright first had a dream about Siberia and she had another dream about owning a telephone empire in newly conquered territory.
Reagan had a dream that everybody thought he was the coward of the county so he sent Clint Eastwood to Super Power Granada to prove the world wrong.
Then Butch' Sr. had a dream that some of his partners from Panama were talking in their sleep so he sent a team of surgeons to surgically remedy that problem before he went to see his old friend Saddam.
Then little Butch' Jr. had a dream that he was God incarnated bow-legged cowboy that can read eyeballs, and declared Iraq accomplished. When he woke up from that dream he discovered that he was in Sodom, Gomora and Tijuana united with his watch missing.
Kissinger recently had a dream that he was buried in the Hague Courthouse bathroom under the urinal for eternity, and General Wesley Clark had a dream that he was gonna frack the hell out of Kosova. Imagine that!

P.S. Tell your Albanian narco-terrorist partners and your Croat Nazi Operation Storm partners to lay off
from further desecrating Serb cemeteries--I got kin resting there, Mister!!! They were the good guys, remember???

I have a feeling that Serwer's screen name on B92 is Ben, or EA. No one than an Albanian can be this anti-Serb. I am embarrassed for this guy, with all the credentials he supposedly has, that he is so far out of touch. He is repeating 1999 gibberish, that has no relevance today. Milosevic didn't care about borders, he was just putting down an Albanian uprising, heavy handed maybe, but KLA were killing Serbian police and soldiers, not to mention acts of terror on civilians. No need to worry Daniel, the Serbs don't really care about the borders today either, they are happy where they are. There is an administrative line between KiM and southern Serbia, fine, but no border. The Serbs also insist on autonomy from Pristina's "we are a country" game. They do not acknowledge them, and do not want anything to do with them, simple. I do not understand what all the fuss is about? Albanians have their autonomy in their areas, Serbs have autonomy in theirs - borders stay the same.

To Ari Gold.
You are such a "golden" character, always bringing fresh breeze in these old discussions. (hope you can detect the sarcasm).
Serbia lost a war my friend. It's time to come to the terms with it.
It's only the politicians in Serbia who pretend that is not true, this because is such a moot point in Serbian politics and still provides opportunities to keep the power by satisfying (fooling) people like you.
Usually after any war, borders change and right now Serbia is within different borders than before that war.
Can Hungary claim that Vojvodina is still theirs? Of course they can but they don't because there is no point in insisting in something that is so remote to take place.
There is only 5% of population of Kosova that are Serbs.
Then again if you still intend to get it back, recognizing the reality now doesn't stop you to do that in the future, does it?
As someone else said here, Kosova was under Turkey for 500 years and you got it back even though you recognized it for 500 years that it was not yours. Pretending that Kosova is yours now, doesn't help to the aspirations that you may one day want to take it back. In fact does the opposite, it keeps K-Albanians constantly alert to your intentions.
I am just pretending to be Machiaveli for you right now.
Cool down my friend and say something that make sense for once.

However, Serwer is convinced that the drawing of borders and trade in territories in the Balkans is finished.
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What convinced him on that? He balieves that the drawing of borders in the Balkans is finished as soon as the US reached its goals.

Winston,
Do you remember B52 bombers "carpeting" the Serbian army during February 1999?
Perhaps you are too young to remember that but if you think that Serbia can afford another war than you are insane no matter how old you are.

Never say never, Nikolle. You know darn well that the world is constantly changing, as do the world powers that control its wealth. Imagine, just image that one day China and/or Russia replace the USA as the world's superpowers, and America's military supremacy becomes second or third best. Need I say more? Never say never.

A pity to see someone like Daniel Serwer be reduced to this shell of a commentator. Much of these "Milosevic" policies were supported by him before 2004. As as for the platform resembling Milosevic's dreams, I must have missed the section of the proposal that called for the systematic expulsion of the Albanian community. But I suppose he needs to stick with old and outdated reactions to anything regarding Kosovo coming from Belgrade as long as he's pulling in a paycheck for the US State Department :)

Perhaps you are too young to remember that but if you think that Serbia can afford another war than you are insane no matter how old you are.
(miri, 11 January 2013 17:48)

If you think there will be another war against Serbia over something Albanians provoked, then you are stupid no matter how old you are.

-Armed conflicts are also possible after the Serbian initiative-

Serbia will not start any armed conflict. It doesn't have to. Serbs control north Kosovo. America had their oportunity to rid Kosovo of all serbs but now it is to late. To much time has passed since the wars in both Bosnia and Kosovo ended. All sides know the consequenses of starting another war. If status quo is remained in Kosovo and Bosnia we will se border changes in the future, for sure. Serbs in Bosnia will not have to declare independence. They will simply weare the muslims out. Right now Bosnia is not getting anywhere. They will be able to get somewhere without Republika Srpska. In Kosovo serbs will either stay where they are, with a territory they themselves control, or relocate to Serbia. The later if Serbia decides to recognize Kosovo independence or if America and NATO decides to solve the problem their own way. Serbs in the north will never recognize Pristina. There is no future for them with Pristina. What's left is for albanians and americans to get rid of the serbs. That's the only way for them to gain control of that part of Kosovo. It may be difficult since Milosevic is gone and there isn't any excuse for them to start an armed conflict where they could blame the serbs. The albanians and americans now have a mini Kosovo inside Kosovo to deal with and there is not much they can do about it.

"to live inside Serbia’s borders and that was precisely Milošević’s dream"
Kosovo is Serbian province under Tito dream, He build legally Kosovo to be province, Milosevic or any other is not on the power at that time.
Serb leader don't change nothing: Province status will stay to be province only.

Oh yes Winston, Naom Chomsky, the self appointed social critic of the century! there's a lot of people on the left sadly, who take the view that America is to blame for all the wars ion the world. they never have anything to say about Russian aggression in Georgia for example. for your Chomsky Winston, I raise you Christopher Hitchens, who unlike Chomsky, actually WAS in Kosova in 1998 and 1999. don't worry, if you want more conspiracy theories to feed on about the war, there's a few more websites I can recommend. oh and yes, it was Clintons self serving war, what a pathetic thing to write. its never the Serbs is it? always others to blame!

The English Empire only wanted the Western and Northern Parts of Continental Europe, and it wanted Yugoslavia to deny the Soviets easy sea access to the Adriatic Sea by means of Draza Mihailovic’s post WW 2 Serbian map.

Croat controlled Yugoslavia prevented easy Soviet access to the Adriatic Sea, and therefore prevented easy access the Mediterranean Sea.

It was not possible to make a Greater Croatia or a Greater Albania at that time, and the English gladly gave Albania to Stalin to infiltrate Kosovo, FYROM, and Montenegro.

England and its Secret and Unofficial Colony of America promised the Albanians, the Croats, and the Germans a Greater Mono Ethnic Albania, a Greater Croatia, and a Greater Germany.

The English gave the Croat Leaders and Albanian Leaders the lies that they needed to speak, and the act that they needed to act, and with England keeping Continental Europe divided, it keep England as the World Power, and it drained Soviet Resources, and prevented a European Union.

England needed German Resources, and the Western Germans ordered the English to install the Rule of the Dictatorial Colonels in Greece, and to allow Germany’s Ally the Turks, to invade and occupy Cyprus, as a payback for being against Hitler.

The English engineered the Spanish Civil War in order to keep Spain and Portugal hindering things one way or the other in Europe, and to keep the Spaniards busy fighting amongst themselves, in order that England could keep stolen Gibraltar.

"Always. Kosovo was and always will be Serbia, REGARDLESS of what ethnic group or government is in power. The Turks stole it away for 500 years and it was won back."

brilliant, another one who believes in metaphors. kosova is not this cradle of anything, its a place where people, thats all that it is. if those inhabitants had been treated as citizens and not as sewage, it'd never have come to this. oh and Winston, read this carefully, Serbia will NEVER have sovereignty over Kosova again, never mind in your lifetime.

Daniel Serwer pretty much nailed it in all points. The so-called platform is a joke, since it advocates Kosovo to stay within in Serbia PLUS enduring a Republika Srpska on Kosovo's soil.
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But that's precisely it. Kosovo IS Serbian soil. Nothing to endure about Serbs there. Serbs are at home on Serbian soil.

Alban

You say life was hard for albanians during serbian rule. I don't doubt that it was. However, life for serbs under albanian rule is freakin impossible. At least albanians remained in Kosovo under serbian rule, how many serbs have remained under albanian rule? What our police did to you your police is doing to us. Looks to me that one is not much better then the other.

"Albanians continue living within the Serbian borders"

Like Serbs are living with the Bosnias borders.
And Austrians are living within the Italian borders.
And Swedes are liviing within the Finnish borders.
And Russians living within the Ukrainain borders.

My friend, that is the case all over the world. But the West is not supporting creating new states all over the world!

I raise you Christopher Hitchens, who unlike Chomsky, actually WAS in Kosova in 1998 and 1999.
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So what? What was his purpose there? Who was he visiting?

I raise you General MacKenzie who actually was in command on the UN at one time in Sarajevo. He was in a better position to know what's what than Hitchens.
Anyway, you don't have to be there yourself to know what is happening. Plenty of information was flowing in and out. John Pilger back up MacKenzie. James Bissett backs up MacKenzie and Scott Taylor who was also there backs up MacKenzie. Now what?
MacKenzie was a General who was privy to all sort of information, including what was happening in other parts of former Yugoslavia. Did Hitchins have first hand knowledge like him or was he privy to the same information?
Chomsky was invited to speak to a university here in Australia. I was at that forum. I heard every word he said. Now would a university invite a nobody?

I have a feeling that Serwer's screen name on B92 is Ben, or EA. No one than an Albanian can be this anti-Serb. I am embarrassed for this guy, with all the credentials
(winston, 11 January 2013 21:24)

I take this as compliment.. due to the credentials Serwer has. And you Serbs commenting here do not have that class you are simply full of b.sh. of the 90s.

The Serbian platform in middle of the negotiations is firstly dishonest gesture and shows how uncincere and unreliable Serbis is. Secondly it would not have been acceptabole for Kosova if it was proposed in 1988 and not today whith the majprity of the world recognizing Kosova as independent.

@ Winston

Winston I look at you as the most open minded person in this page, but there is a lot of thing you don't know and that you probably never will understand, it's a lot of oppression against the albanian people that lies behind here, I know i was there myself, i grow up there, now not all the serbs were bad, some of them were actually quite nice, that's why I believe they should be allowed to live in peace in Kosovo,and we have tried everything in the past, we tried the autonomy,we have tried everything believe me,serbs are very hard to work with, they always want to be superior, to be in control, and when they feel they don't have enough control they start complaining.
Life for albanians in Kosovo was never easy, maybe a bit better during Titos regime but before that and after that, discrimination, beating of the students in the middle of the street, just outside my house the police would stop the car and beat the students who were on their way to the faculty, they dragged the principle of the school, outside and beat him in front of kids for nothing , that was the serbian police, in the so called autonomy of Kosovo, always living in fear and I mean real fear not just uhh im afraid type of fear but in a threatening way, and these thing are just minor things. So asking albanians to go back to that, is like making a person who just woke up from the worst nightmare to go back to sleep, or like asking a person you just raped to make love to you.

that pretty much settles it doesn't it Peggy? a university invited him to speak, so it means his point of view is the accurate one :-). by the way, i was in Kosova during the war, so I do not need mr Chomsky to tell me what happened. mr Chomsky is in a big line of people who believe that America and the West, predominantly capitalist and NATO countries are to blame for everything. its this odd view that has some here thinking that Germany (even the Vatican oddly enough) destroyed Yugoslavia. its never the people who lived there, always outsiders to blame

@Peggy.........your infamous and "credible" former General McKenzie is now an official sokesman for the Serb Lobby called SerNet.

He has taken a lot of money to speak in your interest rather than tell the truth.
Mr.McKenzie lives in Canada and has spoken throughout North America spreadin Serb propaganda.He is infamous for claiming Bosnians were shellig themselves for 3 1/2 just to make "innocent" Serbs look bad.HE HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO CREDIBILITY.
I AM NOT SURPRISE HE ISN'T IN THE HAGUE YET....

It was just interesting program today how Serbs were Albanized in Albania since 1934 and King Zogu. They could not have their Serbian names nor practice their religion.

Daniel Serwer is just another Albanian lobbyist, he is paid to talk bullshit.

"Old tendencies"?
What about your old tendencies in Germany? Should we label you a Nazi for the rest of your life?

Anyway, who cares what the international community thinks. As long as NATO would be brought before a court the next time it bombed without UN approval then we don't care what you think.

It's damn good if that is what Milosevic wanted. It's what most Serbs want. It's normal to not want your land taken from your people and infested with the Albanian race.

If people like you were not meddling in the internal affairs of other countries (Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, Croatia) then there would be HALF the amount of innocent people dead today!!!

So irritating to read that this guy is a "peace talker"... There would be no problems in the Balkans if it wasn't for this guy and his countrymen destroying the people of Yugoslavia.

The US create such huge problems in countries and because of this exact reason, this guy has a JOB!

One day a war will break out again because it's inevitable. When the power shifts the game changes. The Albanians were too greedy and they've taken what was not rightfully theirs.

I feel sorry for all the people that are going to suffer but most intelligent people know that the injustices are brought by those international politicians who have hidden agendas.

Stay strong Serbia, look after all Serbs and the truth will prevail and the power will shift.

Kosovo je srce srbije!

"Need I say more?"

you can, but there really is no point. put it this way winston, you and i and your kinds and grandkids will not live to see Kosova being ruled by Blegrade again. partition? most likely. ruling over Prishtina? there's a bigger chance that christians or for that matter muslims, are right about a dead man coming back to life than that ever happening! as for Russians and the Chinese, well, don't worry, there's unsettled territorial disputes between Russia and China if you catch my drift :-)

Professor Daniel Serwer is not only bias toward Kosovo Albanians he is inaccurate with his facts about Kosovo independence:"The moments it (Serbia) decided to sit at the same table with Pristina Politicians it recognized Kosovo independence"Our Country USA sat many time at the table to dicuss the issues with the entity we never intended to recognize.Kosovo proclaim it endependence with out sovereignty.IT WILL REMAIN IN THAT STATUS UNLESS SERBIA DECIDED OTHERWISE.Kosovo Albanians are still in terrorist mode attacking Serbian Orthodox Churches and Monasteries,Serbian children and old people who can not defend itself.UNMIK and KFOR should remain in Kosovo as long as threat of force remain an option.

@Peggy.........your infamous and "credible" former General McKenzie is now an official sokesman for the Serb Lobby called SerNet.

He has taken a lot of money to speak in your interest rather than tell the truth.
Mr.McKenzie lives in Canada and has spoken throughout North America spreadin Serb propaganda.He is infamous for claiming Bosnians were shellig themselves for 3 1/2 just to make "innocent" Serbs look bad.HE HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO CREDIBILITY.
I AM NOT SURPRISE HE ISN'T IN THE HAGUE YET....

.HE HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO CREDIBILITY.
I AM NOT SURPRISE HE ISN'T IN THE HAGUE YET....
(azir, 12 January 2013 22:11)
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Really? On whose authority do you have that?
I haven't read anything of the sort about MacKenzie and if he is speaking everywhere then someone must think he has something to say.
Now as far as Hague is concerned, what has he done to be indicted?

Who is making these charges against him and when is he expected to be arrested?

I am guessing the same should happen to John Pilger, Noam Chomsky, James Bissett and Scott Taylor. They should all answer the charges of being Serbia's stooges and be sent to Hague. Agree?

I am also guessing that Gregory Clark who is also outspoken about the issue and writes for Japanese papers is guilty of being a paid Serbian stooge and should be sent to Hague.

Let's take a look at what he says.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/eo20070702gc.html

Yes, he should be sent to Hague immediately.

Now please do answer who is leading the charge against MacKenzie and what is he going to be charge with?

that pretty much settles it doesn't it Peggy? a university invited him to speak, so it means his point of view is the accurate one :-).
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Not only did this university invite him to speak, but his books are a source of reference in it's library.
Are you telling me that the university is guilty of using Chomsky's books when he is all BS?

You must be quick in letting Deakin University in Australia know just how wrong they are. I suggest you don't waste any time in contacting them and demanding that they replace Chomsky's books with the same one university of Pristina is using.

(Peggy, 12 January 2013 01:15)

Then there is John Schindler, every journalist should be made to read his work.

"..or like asking a person you just raped to make love to you.."
(Alban, 12 January 2013 00:47)

Hmmmm, VERY interesting analogy.

Are you honestly suggesting Peggy, that should one be invited speak at a university, it would mean that that person's point of view is the accurate one? do you know how often Mr Tony Blair is invited to speak at universities, but i'm sure you still consider Mr Blair a war criminal and a liar. come on Peggy, you're smarter than that.

do you know how often Mr Tony Blair is invited to speak at universities, but i'm sure you still consider Mr Blair a war criminal and a liar. come on Peggy, you're smarter than that.
(Nikolle, 13 January 2013 12:28
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Are Mr Blair's books allowed in University library as reference books? Are they used by students to reference their work?
Yes, he is a liar and a criminal. His own people are accsing him of that too.

What about all the other people I mentioned? Can't you discredit them in any way and therefore don't even bother to mention.

I was only reacted to your statement that a university would not invite a 'nobody' to speak. well thats true, but it doesn't mean that persons point of view is the correct one. as for general whatever, have never heard of him so i can't comment

Daniel Serwer pretty much nailed it in all points. The so-called platform is a joke, since it advocates Kosovo to stay within in Serbia PLUS enduring a Republika Srpska on Kosovo's soil. With other words, slapped twice for getting nothing. This only is the blatant illusion where Belgrade just lies to itself and the own people. Kosovo has round about 100 recognitions which won't be given up, and certainly not because of that useless platform.

Furthermore, Daniel Serwer also mentioned that the platform will have no effect (for Serbia), as long as Serbia does not come up with it during the negotiations. If this persists, it remains what it is; ink on paper. This is agreeable and likely to happen. Serbia has nothing to pressure that wish and is herself a political and economic mess.

Last but not least, BiH. We all know that the Serbian game is about trying get "anything". "If not Kosovo, then the Bosnian entity". That kind of thinking does not belong in the 21st century and will be opposed in all matters and on all levels. Of course, the obstructive policy of Dodik makes progress in Bosnia difficult, but compared to the problems of having an independent RS, it is manageable. The people in the Serbian entity will have to see for themselves that they will not go anywhere, even if they continue to be like this the next 17 years, because no matter how long it might take, genocide will never ever be rewarded.

This mans opinions are irrelevant as Serbia should not even pay attention to such a Serbophobe. This is like a Palestinian or Nazi German 'analyst' telling the Jews how they should or shouldn't govern their own country. Milosevic's dream? Slobo was a softy, a communist clown. Had Karadzic been President of Serbia and/or Mladic led troops in Kosovo i Metohija we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

Serbia ought to freeze this conflict, the absolute best Albs in Kosovo i Metohija can hope for is a Palestine status which is still light years from being an actual state. Serbia ought to proclaim Kosovo i Metohija a temporarily occupied territory and deal with the problem when conditions are favorable.

Niccolo Machiavelli says you shouldn't avoid conflict with opponents but rather hold off until the opportunity becomes favorable for you to engage in conflict with your enemies.

By choosing not to join the EU, Serbia could announce the end of 'negotiations' and Kosovo i Metohija will be a frozen conflict left for another time.

Serwer is surprisingly naive for a person that is holding a degree... =)

the Republika Srpska will join Serbia sooner or later, not because the Serbs are so evil or Slobo-like, but just because BiH will finish itself, the Croats are already looking towards Zagreb today, and it´s very unlikely that they will change their loyalties...

as for further conflicts, yes there will perhaps be new conflicts... and those who are laughing today will be running tomorrow.
or let´s put it the other way - "natural Albania" will end up in a rathole.

the only thing that I can emphasize here is that it´s the first time an american is admitting that this is not over yet. they know very well that they can only try to minimize the bad consequences for themselves, but drawing Serbia´s borders is just a bit more than the US can swallow.

let´s just see what future brings...

Milosevic has nothing to do with it. It's every Serbians' dream. Always. Kosovo was and always will be Serbia, REGARDLESS of what ethnic group or government is in power. The Turks stole it away for 500 years and it was won back. And even if it takes another 500 years, it will be won back once again !

To Ari Gold.
You are such a "golden" character, always bringing fresh breeze in these old discussions. (hope you can detect the sarcasm).
Serbia lost a war my friend. It's time to come to the terms with it.
It's only the politicians in Serbia who pretend that is not true, this because is such a moot point in Serbian politics and still provides opportunities to keep the power by satisfying (fooling) people like you.
Usually after any war, borders change and right now Serbia is within different borders than before that war.
Can Hungary claim that Vojvodina is still theirs? Of course they can but they don't because there is no point in insisting in something that is so remote to take place.
There is only 5% of population of Kosova that are Serbs.
Then again if you still intend to get it back, recognizing the reality now doesn't stop you to do that in the future, does it?
As someone else said here, Kosova was under Turkey for 500 years and you got it back even though you recognized it for 500 years that it was not yours. Pretending that Kosova is yours now, doesn't help to the aspirations that you may one day want to take it back. In fact does the opposite, it keeps K-Albanians constantly alert to your intentions.
I am just pretending to be Machiaveli for you right now.
Cool down my friend and say something that make sense for once.

By choosing not to join the EU, Serbia could announce the end of 'negotiations' and Kosovo i Metohija will be a frozen conflict left for another time.
(Ari Gold, 11 January 2013 14:42)

Ari,

Have you not noticed how desperate Serbia is to join the EU. Do you really think that Serbia has any more cards to play. Since you do not live in Serbia, you cannot understand how bleak her situation is. Serbia is between a rock and a hard place. She has long run out of options, but is still attempting to flex its emaciated muscles. In short, Serbia's position is hopeless. Take off your blinders, Ari.

Miri, I don't know who talks more nonsense, you or Sewer? Serbs didn't lose any war, what war, declared on Serbia by whom? I recall a so-called "humanitarian intervention" in 1999 against the former Yugoslavia, that included today's Montenegro, orchestrated by the Clinton administration for self serving purposes, but I do not remember a war. As for borders, how have they changed? The Albanians want to create one with southern Serbia, but the Serbs say no. There can be an administrative line, as there exists today. Whether Complete sovereignty over KiM ever happens again, who knows, the world is in constant change. Like I mentioned, Pristina can play "we are a country" with their backers, just leave the Serbs in the north alone, they want nothing to do with Pristina, and that's not Milosevic talking.

Winston,
Do you remember B52 bombers "carpeting" the Serbian army during February 1999?
Perhaps you are too young to remember that but if you think that Serbia can afford another war than you are insane no matter how old you are.

Oh yes Winston, Naom Chomsky, the self appointed social critic of the century! there's a lot of people on the left sadly, who take the view that America is to blame for all the wars ion the world. they never have anything to say about Russian aggression in Georgia for example. for your Chomsky Winston, I raise you Christopher Hitchens, who unlike Chomsky, actually WAS in Kosova in 1998 and 1999. don't worry, if you want more conspiracy theories to feed on about the war, there's a few more websites I can recommend. oh and yes, it was Clintons self serving war, what a pathetic thing to write. its never the Serbs is it? always others to blame!

By choosing not to join the EU, Serbia could announce the end of 'negotiations' and Kosovo i Metohija will be a frozen conflict left for another time.
(Ari Gold, 11 January 2013 14:42)

Ari,

I agree with you on that you are not ready mate....what was the interest rate on the loan Serbia got from Russia recently?)))))

When you are ready give us a shout...if I am not still in this world...I will pass the message to my little one....)))

Why so one sided, Daniel? A supposed expert on the Balkans, who is still making reference to Milosevic, is clearly working for the Albanian cause. Milosevic wanted something completely different for KiM, not just autonomy for the North, with no recognition. An independent KiM was not even on the radar in the late 90's, except for some Albanian separatists, but they have wanted that for centuries. Basically what Serbs, and Belgrade wants, is autonomy for its people, concentrated in the North, nothing to do with Pristina but maintain a cease fire, with recognition out of the question. Pristina can continue to play "we are a country" with their friends, and leave Serbia alone. I don't think that is too much to ask for. No one is talking about redrawing any borders, because for the Serbs, they have never changed. As for you Danny boy, get a life, that old Milosevic song is, well, really old, and used up.
If you would like an honest opinion, and facts, on what really happening Kosovo, watch this Noam Chomsky interview on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEhgwdJldeU

"to live inside Serbia’s borders and that was precisely Milošević’s dream"
Kosovo is Serbian province under Tito dream, He build legally Kosovo to be province, Milosevic or any other is not on the power at that time.
Serb leader don't change nothing: Province status will stay to be province only.

A pity to see someone like Daniel Serwer be reduced to this shell of a commentator. Much of these "Milosevic" policies were supported by him before 2004. As as for the platform resembling Milosevic's dreams, I must have missed the section of the proposal that called for the systematic expulsion of the Albanian community. But I suppose he needs to stick with old and outdated reactions to anything regarding Kosovo coming from Belgrade as long as he's pulling in a paycheck for the US State Department :)

"Always. Kosovo was and always will be Serbia, REGARDLESS of what ethnic group or government is in power. The Turks stole it away for 500 years and it was won back."

brilliant, another one who believes in metaphors. kosova is not this cradle of anything, its a place where people, thats all that it is. if those inhabitants had been treated as citizens and not as sewage, it'd never have come to this. oh and Winston, read this carefully, Serbia will NEVER have sovereignty over Kosova again, never mind in your lifetime.

All humans have dreams Sir, not only SPECIAL PEOPLE that are exempt from the Hague.

Look it here: Clinton's dream was for Monica to build another spare around her waist
and sing him Happy Birthday Mr. President until Alfright introduced the boy to Kosova.
Alfright first had a dream about Siberia and she had another dream about owning a telephone empire in newly conquered territory.
Reagan had a dream that everybody thought he was the coward of the county so he sent Clint Eastwood to Super Power Granada to prove the world wrong.
Then Butch' Sr. had a dream that some of his partners from Panama were talking in their sleep so he sent a team of surgeons to surgically remedy that problem before he went to see his old friend Saddam.
Then little Butch' Jr. had a dream that he was God incarnated bow-legged cowboy that can read eyeballs, and declared Iraq accomplished. When he woke up from that dream he discovered that he was in Sodom, Gomora and Tijuana united with his watch missing.
Kissinger recently had a dream that he was buried in the Hague Courthouse bathroom under the urinal for eternity, and General Wesley Clark had a dream that he was gonna frack the hell out of Kosova. Imagine that!

P.S. Tell your Albanian narco-terrorist partners and your Croat Nazi Operation Storm partners to lay off
from further desecrating Serb cemeteries--I got kin resting there, Mister!!! They were the good guys, remember???

that pretty much settles it doesn't it Peggy? a university invited him to speak, so it means his point of view is the accurate one :-). by the way, i was in Kosova during the war, so I do not need mr Chomsky to tell me what happened. mr Chomsky is in a big line of people who believe that America and the West, predominantly capitalist and NATO countries are to blame for everything. its this odd view that has some here thinking that Germany (even the Vatican oddly enough) destroyed Yugoslavia. its never the people who lived there, always outsiders to blame

The fact that this long time trouble maker doesn't like the current Serbian platform, it gives me hope.

I have a feeling that Serwer's screen name on B92 is Ben, or EA. No one than an Albanian can be this anti-Serb. I am embarrassed for this guy, with all the credentials
(winston, 11 January 2013 21:24)

I take this as compliment.. due to the credentials Serwer has. And you Serbs commenting here do not have that class you are simply full of b.sh. of the 90s.

The Serbian platform in middle of the negotiations is firstly dishonest gesture and shows how uncincere and unreliable Serbis is. Secondly it would not have been acceptabole for Kosova if it was proposed in 1988 and not today whith the majprity of the world recognizing Kosova as independent.

This U.S. so-called 'expert' has a twinkle in his eyes when he talks about renewed feuding and provocation. Although the Serbs and Albanians don't get along at all, they seem to have a better grip on peace than any outside influences.

@Peggy.........your infamous and "credible" former General McKenzie is now an official sokesman for the Serb Lobby called SerNet.

He has taken a lot of money to speak in your interest rather than tell the truth.
Mr.McKenzie lives in Canada and has spoken throughout North America spreadin Serb propaganda.He is infamous for claiming Bosnians were shellig themselves for 3 1/2 just to make "innocent" Serbs look bad.HE HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO CREDIBILITY.
I AM NOT SURPRISE HE ISN'T IN THE HAGUE YET....

Never say never, Nikolle. You know darn well that the world is constantly changing, as do the world powers that control its wealth. Imagine, just image that one day China and/or Russia replace the USA as the world's superpowers, and America's military supremacy becomes second or third best. Need I say more? Never say never.

Daniel Serwer pretty much nailed it in all points. The so-called platform is a joke, since it advocates Kosovo to stay within in Serbia PLUS enduring a Republika Srpska on Kosovo's soil.
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But that's precisely it. Kosovo IS Serbian soil. Nothing to endure about Serbs there. Serbs are at home on Serbian soil.

"With such formula Albanians would end up without a state and they would continue to live inside Serbia’s borders and that was precisely Milošević’s dream,“ explained the Johns Hopkins University professor."

No, Milosevic's dream was exactly NOT to have Albanians living inside Serbia's border.

I have a feeling that Serwer's screen name on B92 is Ben, or EA. No one than an Albanian can be this anti-Serb. I am embarrassed for this guy, with all the credentials he supposedly has, that he is so far out of touch. He is repeating 1999 gibberish, that has no relevance today. Milosevic didn't care about borders, he was just putting down an Albanian uprising, heavy handed maybe, but KLA were killing Serbian police and soldiers, not to mention acts of terror on civilians. No need to worry Daniel, the Serbs don't really care about the borders today either, they are happy where they are. There is an administrative line between KiM and southern Serbia, fine, but no border. The Serbs also insist on autonomy from Pristina's "we are a country" game. They do not acknowledge them, and do not want anything to do with them, simple. I do not understand what all the fuss is about? Albanians have their autonomy in their areas, Serbs have autonomy in theirs - borders stay the same.

@ Winston

Winston I look at you as the most open minded person in this page, but there is a lot of thing you don't know and that you probably never will understand, it's a lot of oppression against the albanian people that lies behind here, I know i was there myself, i grow up there, now not all the serbs were bad, some of them were actually quite nice, that's why I believe they should be allowed to live in peace in Kosovo,and we have tried everything in the past, we tried the autonomy,we have tried everything believe me,serbs are very hard to work with, they always want to be superior, to be in control, and when they feel they don't have enough control they start complaining.
Life for albanians in Kosovo was never easy, maybe a bit better during Titos regime but before that and after that, discrimination, beating of the students in the middle of the street, just outside my house the police would stop the car and beat the students who were on their way to the faculty, they dragged the principle of the school, outside and beat him in front of kids for nothing , that was the serbian police, in the so called autonomy of Kosovo, always living in fear and I mean real fear not just uhh im afraid type of fear but in a threatening way, and these thing are just minor things. So asking albanians to go back to that, is like making a person who just woke up from the worst nightmare to go back to sleep, or like asking a person you just raped to make love to you.

However, Serwer is convinced that the drawing of borders and trade in territories in the Balkans is finished.
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What convinced him on that? He balieves that the drawing of borders in the Balkans is finished as soon as the US reached its goals.

The English Empire only wanted the Western and Northern Parts of Continental Europe, and it wanted Yugoslavia to deny the Soviets easy sea access to the Adriatic Sea by means of Draza Mihailovic’s post WW 2 Serbian map.

Croat controlled Yugoslavia prevented easy Soviet access to the Adriatic Sea, and therefore prevented easy access the Mediterranean Sea.

It was not possible to make a Greater Croatia or a Greater Albania at that time, and the English gladly gave Albania to Stalin to infiltrate Kosovo, FYROM, and Montenegro.

England and its Secret and Unofficial Colony of America promised the Albanians, the Croats, and the Germans a Greater Mono Ethnic Albania, a Greater Croatia, and a Greater Germany.

The English gave the Croat Leaders and Albanian Leaders the lies that they needed to speak, and the act that they needed to act, and with England keeping Continental Europe divided, it keep England as the World Power, and it drained Soviet Resources, and prevented a European Union.

England needed German Resources, and the Western Germans ordered the English to install the Rule of the Dictatorial Colonels in Greece, and to allow Germany’s Ally the Turks, to invade and occupy Cyprus, as a payback for being against Hitler.

The English engineered the Spanish Civil War in order to keep Spain and Portugal hindering things one way or the other in Europe, and to keep the Spaniards busy fighting amongst themselves, in order that England could keep stolen Gibraltar.

-Armed conflicts are also possible after the Serbian initiative-

Serbia will not start any armed conflict. It doesn't have to. Serbs control north Kosovo. America had their oportunity to rid Kosovo of all serbs but now it is to late. To much time has passed since the wars in both Bosnia and Kosovo ended. All sides know the consequenses of starting another war. If status quo is remained in Kosovo and Bosnia we will se border changes in the future, for sure. Serbs in Bosnia will not have to declare independence. They will simply weare the muslims out. Right now Bosnia is not getting anywhere. They will be able to get somewhere without Republika Srpska. In Kosovo serbs will either stay where they are, with a territory they themselves control, or relocate to Serbia. The later if Serbia decides to recognize Kosovo independence or if America and NATO decides to solve the problem their own way. Serbs in the north will never recognize Pristina. There is no future for them with Pristina. What's left is for albanians and americans to get rid of the serbs. That's the only way for them to gain control of that part of Kosovo. It may be difficult since Milosevic is gone and there isn't any excuse for them to start an armed conflict where they could blame the serbs. The albanians and americans now have a mini Kosovo inside Kosovo to deal with and there is not much they can do about it.

"Need I say more?"

you can, but there really is no point. put it this way winston, you and i and your kinds and grandkids will not live to see Kosova being ruled by Blegrade again. partition? most likely. ruling over Prishtina? there's a bigger chance that christians or for that matter muslims, are right about a dead man coming back to life than that ever happening! as for Russians and the Chinese, well, don't worry, there's unsettled territorial disputes between Russia and China if you catch my drift :-)

Alban

You say life was hard for albanians during serbian rule. I don't doubt that it was. However, life for serbs under albanian rule is freakin impossible. At least albanians remained in Kosovo under serbian rule, how many serbs have remained under albanian rule? What our police did to you your police is doing to us. Looks to me that one is not much better then the other.

"Albanians continue living within the Serbian borders"

Like Serbs are living with the Bosnias borders.
And Austrians are living within the Italian borders.
And Swedes are liviing within the Finnish borders.
And Russians living within the Ukrainain borders.

My friend, that is the case all over the world. But the West is not supporting creating new states all over the world!

I raise you Christopher Hitchens, who unlike Chomsky, actually WAS in Kosova in 1998 and 1999.
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So what? What was his purpose there? Who was he visiting?

I raise you General MacKenzie who actually was in command on the UN at one time in Sarajevo. He was in a better position to know what's what than Hitchens.
Anyway, you don't have to be there yourself to know what is happening. Plenty of information was flowing in and out. John Pilger back up MacKenzie. James Bissett backs up MacKenzie and Scott Taylor who was also there backs up MacKenzie. Now what?
MacKenzie was a General who was privy to all sort of information, including what was happening in other parts of former Yugoslavia. Did Hitchins have first hand knowledge like him or was he privy to the same information?
Chomsky was invited to speak to a university here in Australia. I was at that forum. I heard every word he said. Now would a university invite a nobody?

Perhaps you are too young to remember that but if you think that Serbia can afford another war than you are insane no matter how old you are.
(miri, 11 January 2013 17:48)

If you think there will be another war against Serbia over something Albanians provoked, then you are stupid no matter how old you are.

@Peggy.........your infamous and "credible" former General McKenzie is now an official sokesman for the Serb Lobby called SerNet.

He has taken a lot of money to speak in your interest rather than tell the truth.
Mr.McKenzie lives in Canada and has spoken throughout North America spreadin Serb propaganda.He is infamous for claiming Bosnians were shellig themselves for 3 1/2 just to make "innocent" Serbs look bad.HE HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO CREDIBILITY.
I AM NOT SURPRISE HE ISN'T IN THE HAGUE YET....

It was just interesting program today how Serbs were Albanized in Albania since 1934 and King Zogu. They could not have their Serbian names nor practice their religion.

Daniel Serwer is just another Albanian lobbyist, he is paid to talk bullshit.

.HE HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO CREDIBILITY.
I AM NOT SURPRISE HE ISN'T IN THE HAGUE YET....
(azir, 12 January 2013 22:11)
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Really? On whose authority do you have that?
I haven't read anything of the sort about MacKenzie and if he is speaking everywhere then someone must think he has something to say.
Now as far as Hague is concerned, what has he done to be indicted?

Who is making these charges against him and when is he expected to be arrested?

I am guessing the same should happen to John Pilger, Noam Chomsky, James Bissett and Scott Taylor. They should all answer the charges of being Serbia's stooges and be sent to Hague. Agree?

I am also guessing that Gregory Clark who is also outspoken about the issue and writes for Japanese papers is guilty of being a paid Serbian stooge and should be sent to Hague.

Let's take a look at what he says.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/eo20070702gc.html

Yes, he should be sent to Hague immediately.

Now please do answer who is leading the charge against MacKenzie and what is he going to be charge with?

Professor Daniel Serwer is not only bias toward Kosovo Albanians he is inaccurate with his facts about Kosovo independence:"The moments it (Serbia) decided to sit at the same table with Pristina Politicians it recognized Kosovo independence"Our Country USA sat many time at the table to dicuss the issues with the entity we never intended to recognize.Kosovo proclaim it endependence with out sovereignty.IT WILL REMAIN IN THAT STATUS UNLESS SERBIA DECIDED OTHERWISE.Kosovo Albanians are still in terrorist mode attacking Serbian Orthodox Churches and Monasteries,Serbian children and old people who can not defend itself.UNMIK and KFOR should remain in Kosovo as long as threat of force remain an option.

"Old tendencies"?
What about your old tendencies in Germany? Should we label you a Nazi for the rest of your life?

Anyway, who cares what the international community thinks. As long as NATO would be brought before a court the next time it bombed without UN approval then we don't care what you think.

It's damn good if that is what Milosevic wanted. It's what most Serbs want. It's normal to not want your land taken from your people and infested with the Albanian race.

If people like you were not meddling in the internal affairs of other countries (Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, Croatia) then there would be HALF the amount of innocent people dead today!!!

So irritating to read that this guy is a "peace talker"... There would be no problems in the Balkans if it wasn't for this guy and his countrymen destroying the people of Yugoslavia.

The US create such huge problems in countries and because of this exact reason, this guy has a JOB!

One day a war will break out again because it's inevitable. When the power shifts the game changes. The Albanians were too greedy and they've taken what was not rightfully theirs.

I feel sorry for all the people that are going to suffer but most intelligent people know that the injustices are brought by those international politicians who have hidden agendas.

Stay strong Serbia, look after all Serbs and the truth will prevail and the power will shift.

Kosovo je srce srbije!

(Peggy, 12 January 2013 01:15)

Then there is John Schindler, every journalist should be made to read his work.

that pretty much settles it doesn't it Peggy? a university invited him to speak, so it means his point of view is the accurate one :-).
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Not only did this university invite him to speak, but his books are a source of reference in it's library.
Are you telling me that the university is guilty of using Chomsky's books when he is all BS?

You must be quick in letting Deakin University in Australia know just how wrong they are. I suggest you don't waste any time in contacting them and demanding that they replace Chomsky's books with the same one university of Pristina is using.

"..or like asking a person you just raped to make love to you.."
(Alban, 12 January 2013 00:47)

Hmmmm, VERY interesting analogy.

Are you honestly suggesting Peggy, that should one be invited speak at a university, it would mean that that person's point of view is the accurate one? do you know how often Mr Tony Blair is invited to speak at universities, but i'm sure you still consider Mr Blair a war criminal and a liar. come on Peggy, you're smarter than that.

do you know how often Mr Tony Blair is invited to speak at universities, but i'm sure you still consider Mr Blair a war criminal and a liar. come on Peggy, you're smarter than that.
(Nikolle, 13 January 2013 12:28
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Are Mr Blair's books allowed in University library as reference books? Are they used by students to reference their work?
Yes, he is a liar and a criminal. His own people are accsing him of that too.

What about all the other people I mentioned? Can't you discredit them in any way and therefore don't even bother to mention.

I was only reacted to your statement that a university would not invite a 'nobody' to speak. well thats true, but it doesn't mean that persons point of view is the correct one. as for general whatever, have never heard of him so i can't comment