Serbian, Russian ministers sign agreement on USD 800mn loan

So we are borrowing money from the Russians so that we can pay them for THEIR diesel engines and for THEM to carry out the construction work. What the F...k!!! This deal stinks.

… what do you consider a friendly state? One that gives you a loan (Russia/China) and requires that you buy their materials/use their labor for or one that gives you a grant (West)? …

Well I don’t think China is friendly state to any state in Europe. They play chess and Serbia is just friendly to China’s main ally. As for the rest of your questions I can say that friendly is a state that does not bomb you and does not intervene you to tear apart your territory and your people that does not twist off your hands that does not demonize and undermine you. Friendly is a state that is the main plot of yours on the international arena - the one to supply you with love , money , arms , political , economic and financial and moral support. The one to open it’s borders for your citizens and goods. Friendly is the state that dares to take the risk of spoiling it’s own relations with dozens of the multiple rivals of Serbia. This is what I consider as friendship. As for the bounded credits you talk it’s just the most spread form of credits when both sides gain something. It’s hundreds of times better than the grants you talk about. At least because those grants do not cover even 10% of the damage the granters had brought to Serbia.

cry me a river
T

Is it an open door day at all the psychiatric hospitals ? If not you both are not Serbs but hostile provokers. You talk as if Serbia has got an AAA+ rating and is suffering a Dutch Disease with a long list of the investors in a “stand by” regime. The Serbian government has asked a friendly state for help and so we render it. As simple as that. So you both are either out of mind Serbs or Serbia’s deliberate rivals. In any case the caravan moves on while the dogs are barking. This time a railroad caravan.

Soon Serbia will look just like Russia wont be able to tell them apart. People in the world will think Serbia and Siberia are just the same regions of Russia.

So what does your friendly and beloved IMF require for their loans, dear Otporists?
To run your economy and dictate your politics, as if their NGO´s didn´t had enough control over your country already. If our REAL friends (who didn´t bombed our sovereignty to smithereens and kept raping us since) the Russians did that they would scream and shout 24/7...

I'm curios what the interest rate is!
(cry me a river, 11 January 2013 15:59)

It is at 4,1%. For comparison, Germany lends Greece for 3,4% to 4,5%. So in terms of interest rates, it is more or less average, but unlike Russia Germany is not going to see much from the money. And as some already mentioned it, the credit demands involvement of Russian companies. Overall, a pretty good deal for Russia. Moscow definitely continues to take advantage of Serbia's helpless situation. But more devastating is Serbia's inflation. With 12,1% each foreign credit burdens additionally, since the contract demands US Dollars (btw. not Russian Ruble which speaks volumes as well).

But this are all home-made problems of Serbia where nobody can be blamed except Belgrade.

It's a good deal for the Russians. As for the Serbs, sometimes you take what you can. I'm curios what the interest rate is!

Serbia has another begging success.
Biggest talent in Serbian govt - begging.

"Biggest talent in Serbian govt - begging."

Adem

Coming from an albanian who firts begged for military help against the big bad serbs and then begging for recognition of their terror so called state of Kosovo.

Serbia has another begging success.
Biggest talent in Serbian govt - begging.
(Adem, 11 January 2013 21:58)

Well why Kosova no try begging and maybe even your Arab brothers invest in Serbia. Serbs are better at everything.

cry me a river
T

Is it an open door day at all the psychiatric hospitals ? If not you both are not Serbs but hostile provokers. You talk as if Serbia has got an AAA+ rating and is suffering a Dutch Disease with a long list of the investors in a “stand by” regime. The Serbian government has asked a friendly state for help and so we render it. As simple as that. So you both are either out of mind Serbs or Serbia’s deliberate rivals. In any case the caravan moves on while the dogs are barking. This time a railroad caravan.
(rote,

@Rote,
If you're going to comment then you might as well answer my question.
BTW, what do you consider a friendly state?
One that gives you a loan (Russia/China) and requires that you buy their materials/use their labor for or one that gives you a grant (West)?

Serbia needs the investment, Russia can risk the money and use the profits. There is no problem here. Serbia is closer to Russia, and Russia's stake in Serbia is greater as of today. The deal came with conditions that favor business with Russia, and they did not include humiliating political concessions. Serbia has a fair broker in Russia, and although Serbia does not have that kind of relation with Western Governments, it is forging that relationship with Western Business and International investors. The only people who complain here are the ones that don't like it when Serbia or Russia move together.

If you're going to comment then you might as well answer my question.
BTW, what do you consider a friendly state?
One that gives you a loan (Russia/China) and requires that you buy their materials/use their labor for or one that gives you a grant (West)?
(cry me a river, 11 January 2013 20:13)
A grant eh? You actually believe that the US or EU just give you a blank cheque? Is little wonder that you’re looked upon with humor and never taken seriously?
Let me open your eyes mate. When the US/EU gives you a “grant” as you call it they make sure that at least 95% of that money comes back home – i.e. they force you to buy their goods not from China or Japan or the Martians.
The west gave up on giving out money in the 1970s.

So we are borrowing money from the Russians so that we can pay them for THEIR diesel engines and for THEM to carry out the construction work. What the F...k!!! This deal stinks.

Soon Serbia will look just like Russia wont be able to tell them apart. People in the world will think Serbia and Siberia are just the same regions of Russia.

Serbia has another begging success.
Biggest talent in Serbian govt - begging.

It's a good deal for the Russians. As for the Serbs, sometimes you take what you can. I'm curios what the interest rate is!

cry me a river
T

Is it an open door day at all the psychiatric hospitals ? If not you both are not Serbs but hostile provokers. You talk as if Serbia has got an AAA+ rating and is suffering a Dutch Disease with a long list of the investors in a “stand by” regime. The Serbian government has asked a friendly state for help and so we render it. As simple as that. So you both are either out of mind Serbs or Serbia’s deliberate rivals. In any case the caravan moves on while the dogs are barking. This time a railroad caravan.
(rote,

@Rote,
If you're going to comment then you might as well answer my question.
BTW, what do you consider a friendly state?
One that gives you a loan (Russia/China) and requires that you buy their materials/use their labor for or one that gives you a grant (West)?

I'm curios what the interest rate is!
(cry me a river, 11 January 2013 15:59)

It is at 4,1%. For comparison, Germany lends Greece for 3,4% to 4,5%. So in terms of interest rates, it is more or less average, but unlike Russia Germany is not going to see much from the money. And as some already mentioned it, the credit demands involvement of Russian companies. Overall, a pretty good deal for Russia. Moscow definitely continues to take advantage of Serbia's helpless situation. But more devastating is Serbia's inflation. With 12,1% each foreign credit burdens additionally, since the contract demands US Dollars (btw. not Russian Ruble which speaks volumes as well).

But this are all home-made problems of Serbia where nobody can be blamed except Belgrade.

cry me a river
T

Is it an open door day at all the psychiatric hospitals ? If not you both are not Serbs but hostile provokers. You talk as if Serbia has got an AAA+ rating and is suffering a Dutch Disease with a long list of the investors in a “stand by” regime. The Serbian government has asked a friendly state for help and so we render it. As simple as that. So you both are either out of mind Serbs or Serbia’s deliberate rivals. In any case the caravan moves on while the dogs are barking. This time a railroad caravan.

So what does your friendly and beloved IMF require for their loans, dear Otporists?
To run your economy and dictate your politics, as if their NGO´s didn´t had enough control over your country already. If our REAL friends (who didn´t bombed our sovereignty to smithereens and kept raping us since) the Russians did that they would scream and shout 24/7...

… what do you consider a friendly state? One that gives you a loan (Russia/China) and requires that you buy their materials/use their labor for or one that gives you a grant (West)? …

Well I don’t think China is friendly state to any state in Europe. They play chess and Serbia is just friendly to China’s main ally. As for the rest of your questions I can say that friendly is a state that does not bomb you and does not intervene you to tear apart your territory and your people that does not twist off your hands that does not demonize and undermine you. Friendly is a state that is the main plot of yours on the international arena - the one to supply you with love , money , arms , political , economic and financial and moral support. The one to open it’s borders for your citizens and goods. Friendly is the state that dares to take the risk of spoiling it’s own relations with dozens of the multiple rivals of Serbia. This is what I consider as friendship. As for the bounded credits you talk it’s just the most spread form of credits when both sides gain something. It’s hundreds of times better than the grants you talk about. At least because those grants do not cover even 10% of the damage the granters had brought to Serbia.

If you're going to comment then you might as well answer my question.
BTW, what do you consider a friendly state?
One that gives you a loan (Russia/China) and requires that you buy their materials/use their labor for or one that gives you a grant (West)?
(cry me a river, 11 January 2013 20:13)
A grant eh? You actually believe that the US or EU just give you a blank cheque? Is little wonder that you’re looked upon with humor and never taken seriously?
Let me open your eyes mate. When the US/EU gives you a “grant” as you call it they make sure that at least 95% of that money comes back home – i.e. they force you to buy their goods not from China or Japan or the Martians.
The west gave up on giving out money in the 1970s.

Serbia has another begging success.
Biggest talent in Serbian govt - begging.
(Adem, 11 January 2013 21:58)

Well why Kosova no try begging and maybe even your Arab brothers invest in Serbia. Serbs are better at everything.

"Biggest talent in Serbian govt - begging."

Adem

Coming from an albanian who firts begged for military help against the big bad serbs and then begging for recognition of their terror so called state of Kosovo.

Serbia needs the investment, Russia can risk the money and use the profits. There is no problem here. Serbia is closer to Russia, and Russia's stake in Serbia is greater as of today. The deal came with conditions that favor business with Russia, and they did not include humiliating political concessions. Serbia has a fair broker in Russia, and although Serbia does not have that kind of relation with Western Governments, it is forging that relationship with Western Business and International investors. The only people who complain here are the ones that don't like it when Serbia or Russia move together.