Serbia needs peace, says Serbian patriarch

What a hypocrite. Speaking of god, love, peace, and spreading hate ....

Threats, nothing but threats...
Shame on the church..

History, for the Serbs, started in the 7th century, when they settled in the Balkans. Their power base was outside Kosovo, which they fully conquered in the early 13th, so the claim that Kosovo was the "cradle" of the Serbs is untrue.
What is true is that they ruled Kosovo for about 250 years, until the final Ottoman takeover in the mid-15th century. Churches and monasteries remain from that period, but there is no more continuity between the medieval Serbian state and today's Serbia than there is between the Byzantine Empire and Greece.
Kosovo remained Ottoman territory until it was conquered by Serbian forces in 1912; but even their own estimates put the Orthodox Serb population at less than 25%. The majority population was Albanian, and did not welcome Serb rule, so "conquered" seems the right word.
Kosovo was not incorporated into the Serbian kingdom in 1912; it remained occupied territory until after 1918. Finally it was incorporated, not into a Serbian state, but into a Yugoslavia. And with one big interruption, WWII, it remained part of Yugoslavia until June 2006.
Until the destruction of the old federal Yugoslavia by Milosevic, Kosovo had a dual status. It was called a part of Serbia; but it was also called a unit of the federation. In all practical ways, the latter sense prevailed: Kosovo had its own parliament and government, and was directly represented at the federal level, alongside Serbia. It was, in fact, one of the eight units of the federal system.

and graves of your ancestors,” Irinej said on Friday.

OK, my father is berried in Greenwood cemetery in Brooklyn,NY. So, I should claim Brooklyn as Kosova land.

Your s0-called church preaches hate and racism, all year long. Where is god and love - hello... and stop using my Jewish ppl to justify yr nasty imperialist ways.

Peace - real peace - for the coming year, for all people.

robert0 frisco

So many albanians insulting here. You say he spreads hate? You burn down SPC churches and monasteries he asks for sanity not war. It's obvious who the haters here are,the Albanians who BTW everyone hates. Serbs,Macedonians,Greeks,Montenegrins,Bulgarians,basicly anyone who ever met you.

More dudes wearing dresses than you'll find at a typical drag-show.

Kinda kinky, but not really my thing.

I agree all the minorities need pieces of Serbia.........

Dang, look at that bling on that dudes neck yo.

Make room for Gandolph! He's at it again.

"“Mothers, remember and teach your children so they can teach their children that expelled Jewish people waited almost 20 centuries to return to the land of their fathers and that Serbian people waited five centuries for the liberation of old Serbia,” Irinej noted."

I think Serbs should follow these wise words... According to Mr. Gavrilovic, 20 centuries are nothing so Serbs can certainly wait until 3013 to get Kosovo back and if that's not possible by then, guess what... just wait for another 20 centuries until 5013 and so on. That should not be a problem since Serbs are very patient people.

I am sorry - but I cannot help looking at that picture and marvelling that people can dress like that and take themselves so seriously. The idea that any God exists is so unlikely that to me it is at the level of a joke. Just think about it a while - the word "faith" implicitly implies a lack of actual knowledge. Whole cultures run their politics and their prejudices on the basis of a rough guess about the nature and origin of the universe. I think our knowledge and our common sense should have moved beyond giving so much credence to religions and those who are mentally locked into those ancient ignorances.

From India to north Africa and Scandinavia you can find place names with RAS and SAR. Both names are Serbian ethnic names, that clearly show how large the Serb people once have been!
(mick, 5 January 2013 12:19)

Of course... Also the first of the Homo Sapiens Species was indeed Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Homo Genus was Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Homini Tribe was Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Hominidae Family was Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Primates Order was a Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Mammalia Class was Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Tetrapoda Superclass was a Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Chordata Phylum was a Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Animalia Kingdom was a Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Eukaryte Domain was a Serb maybe as early as 2.700.000.000 years ago. Great scientific discovery mick - scientists have been researching for centuries the ethnicity of the first form of life on Earth and we finally found it.

I totaly agree with these Serbian WHOLEY men"

REST IN PEACE SERBIA= RIP

roberto, i would think that you would be one of the first of our flock to start reigning in the anti-peace of our current commander-in-cheif. our magestic leader, and recipient of nobel's glory has done very little to bring peace to our peoples, or other peoples around the globe.
i wonder if you've ever thought about how peaceful the psalms of the church of dc really are.

“Mothers, remember and teach your children so they can teach their children that expelled Jewish people waited almost 20 centuries to return to the land of their fathers and that Serbian people waited five centuries for the liberation of old Serbia,” Irinej noted."

I am sorry padre but this is not a peaceful message. This is an emotional plea to Serbs; and an extremely hatefull message towards Albanians.

To all the peace loving people of Kosovo and Serbia: Merry Christmas, hug and kiss your loved ones. Be thankfull to god for giving us health, loving families and good friends. Kosovo is just as Albanian as it is Serbian. Serbs and Albanians are people of different faith and different languages, however that should never stand as an obstable to peace and reconciliation. We the current generation owe it to the future generations to sit down and peacefully settle our differences so that our beatifull children can grow up in a beautiful and peaceful place. Our children should have choice to live either in Kosovo or Serbia if they so choose without fear. If Germans, French and English people can do it then so can we.

I am sorry - but I cannot help looking at that picture and marvelling that people can dress like that and take themselves so seriously. The idea that any God exists is so unlikely that to me it is at the level of a joke. Just think about it a while - the word "faith" implicitly implies a lack of actual knowledge. Whole cultures run their politics and their prejudices on the basis of a rough guess about the nature and origin of the universe. I think our knowledge and our common sense should have moved beyond giving so much credence to religions and those who are mentally locked into those ancient ignorances.
(Bob, 4 January 2013 23:56)

Well said.Very well said. Faith itself assumes a total lack of reasoning. It assumes blind belief rather than intelligent, scientific reasoning. If we were to apply blind belief and total lack of reasoninng in any other part of life it wouldnt take long to make it to the looney bin. Yet religions get a pass, are protected and funded? Why?

Albanian fascism will be defeated totally

Don`t forget that we had in Serbia once 50% of Ottoman Muslims and we got rid of them because of Karadjorde...

The West is in freefall and our allies are stronger every day,we just need to wait patiently!

(Willi Pfaff, 4 January 2013 20:25)

Absolute inacurrate!

Serbs are not 100% Slavs but a 50-50 mix of Illyrians and Slavs,genetic studies show that very clearly!
Especially we Montenegrin Serbs can be considered to be the purest Illyrian descendents in the Balkans,there are almost no blonde Montenegrin Serbs,almost all of us are dark and black haired!
Albanians were a tribe from the Caucasus which were settled on foreign land by Ottomans to secure their Islamic rule in the Middle Ages!
Serbs were always a majority
(in 1871 about 75%,A study done in 1871 by Austrian colonel Peter Kukulj)in Kosovo until the war of 1878 when defeated Albanians and Ottomans who were driven out of Central and South Serbia commited an horrible ethnic cleansing campaign against Serbs which led to over 200.000 of them being ethnically cleansed from Kosovo!

In 1878 Albanians for the first time in history became the majority there,as a result of ethnic cleansing,which continued in 1941,and 1945-1988 when Milosevic reacted against this Albanian genocidial policy!
In 1999 it continued,always with uncompromising help from the West!

Iowe,

Evidently, you care enough to respond, so thanks.

"Iowe,

Evidently, you care enough to respond, so thanks.
(Danilo, 5 January 2013 13:09)"

I was being sarcastic in case it didn't occur to you. And if negative attention is better than no attention for you, well, then you really are to be pitied.

"More dudes wearing dresses than you'll find at a typical drag-show.

Kinda kinky, but not really my thing.
(Danilo, 4 January 2013 20:32)"

As if anybody really cares what you "thing" (sic)

@willy BS!!!
Ottoman census 1455: 98% Serbs!

So if Serbs came in the 7 C like you say who lived there before them?

I tell you this when the Romans conquered Europe do you think that the conquered people would live there to be slaves?
No they Crossed the Danaube to the north

Ok you say that the kosovo was not a part of the Kingdom of rashka?
Sure but it was part of Byzantine/Romania
and was also part of Bulgaria ( Bulgaria at that time was the same as Serbia, same language same people same religion!)
Even today between western Bulgarian, south Serbian and western Macedonian is no difference.
Byzantine them: Sirmimum = In greek language there is no letter B they use M so you get Sirmium= Sirbium (ium= ia in serbian ---> Serbia!

The same you will get with Sarmatians --> Sarmati--> Sarbati

Serbs are longer in the balkans then the germans in Germany willy!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbian_March
The Sorbian march: Whole present day eastern Germany was not German!
Serbs (sorbs) lived there plus other Slavs!
And the rest of Germany was Celtic before but as we know today non Celt people remain so they were assimilated, but genetics show that many Germans are of Celtic background.

From India to north Africa and Scandinavia you can find place names with RAS and SAR.
Both names are Serbian ethnic names, that clearly show how large the Serb people once have been!

Practising Albanian orthodox here.

The holy patriarch is out of his mind as are most of our patriarchs all over the world.

The continuous nationalization of our church is our main problem.
We keep getting screwed by these clueless patriarchs.

So many albanians insulting here. You say he spreads hate? You burn down SPC churches and monasteries he asks for sanity not war. It's obvious who the haters here are,the Albanians who BTW everyone hates. Serbs,Macedonians,Greeks,Montenegrins,Bulgarians,basicly anyone who ever met you.

What a hypocrite. Speaking of god, love, peace, and spreading hate ....

Threats, nothing but threats...
Shame on the church..

and graves of your ancestors,” Irinej said on Friday.

OK, my father is berried in Greenwood cemetery in Brooklyn,NY. So, I should claim Brooklyn as Kosova land.

Your s0-called church preaches hate and racism, all year long. Where is god and love - hello... and stop using my Jewish ppl to justify yr nasty imperialist ways.

Peace - real peace - for the coming year, for all people.

robert0 frisco

I totaly agree with these Serbian WHOLEY men"

REST IN PEACE SERBIA= RIP

History, for the Serbs, started in the 7th century, when they settled in the Balkans. Their power base was outside Kosovo, which they fully conquered in the early 13th, so the claim that Kosovo was the "cradle" of the Serbs is untrue.
What is true is that they ruled Kosovo for about 250 years, until the final Ottoman takeover in the mid-15th century. Churches and monasteries remain from that period, but there is no more continuity between the medieval Serbian state and today's Serbia than there is between the Byzantine Empire and Greece.
Kosovo remained Ottoman territory until it was conquered by Serbian forces in 1912; but even their own estimates put the Orthodox Serb population at less than 25%. The majority population was Albanian, and did not welcome Serb rule, so "conquered" seems the right word.
Kosovo was not incorporated into the Serbian kingdom in 1912; it remained occupied territory until after 1918. Finally it was incorporated, not into a Serbian state, but into a Yugoslavia. And with one big interruption, WWII, it remained part of Yugoslavia until June 2006.
Until the destruction of the old federal Yugoslavia by Milosevic, Kosovo had a dual status. It was called a part of Serbia; but it was also called a unit of the federation. In all practical ways, the latter sense prevailed: Kosovo had its own parliament and government, and was directly represented at the federal level, alongside Serbia. It was, in fact, one of the eight units of the federal system.

I agree all the minorities need pieces of Serbia.........

More dudes wearing dresses than you'll find at a typical drag-show.

Kinda kinky, but not really my thing.

Albanian fascism will be defeated totally

Don`t forget that we had in Serbia once 50% of Ottoman Muslims and we got rid of them because of Karadjorde...

The West is in freefall and our allies are stronger every day,we just need to wait patiently!

@willy BS!!!
Ottoman census 1455: 98% Serbs!

So if Serbs came in the 7 C like you say who lived there before them?

I tell you this when the Romans conquered Europe do you think that the conquered people would live there to be slaves?
No they Crossed the Danaube to the north

Ok you say that the kosovo was not a part of the Kingdom of rashka?
Sure but it was part of Byzantine/Romania
and was also part of Bulgaria ( Bulgaria at that time was the same as Serbia, same language same people same religion!)
Even today between western Bulgarian, south Serbian and western Macedonian is no difference.
Byzantine them: Sirmimum = In greek language there is no letter B they use M so you get Sirmium= Sirbium (ium= ia in serbian ---> Serbia!

The same you will get with Sarmatians --> Sarmati--> Sarbati

Serbs are longer in the balkans then the germans in Germany willy!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbian_March
The Sorbian march: Whole present day eastern Germany was not German!
Serbs (sorbs) lived there plus other Slavs!
And the rest of Germany was Celtic before but as we know today non Celt people remain so they were assimilated, but genetics show that many Germans are of Celtic background.

From India to north Africa and Scandinavia you can find place names with RAS and SAR.
Both names are Serbian ethnic names, that clearly show how large the Serb people once have been!

Make room for Gandolph! He's at it again.

"More dudes wearing dresses than you'll find at a typical drag-show.

Kinda kinky, but not really my thing.
(Danilo, 4 January 2013 20:32)"

As if anybody really cares what you "thing" (sic)

roberto, i would think that you would be one of the first of our flock to start reigning in the anti-peace of our current commander-in-cheif. our magestic leader, and recipient of nobel's glory has done very little to bring peace to our peoples, or other peoples around the globe.
i wonder if you've ever thought about how peaceful the psalms of the church of dc really are.

(Willi Pfaff, 4 January 2013 20:25)

Absolute inacurrate!

Serbs are not 100% Slavs but a 50-50 mix of Illyrians and Slavs,genetic studies show that very clearly!
Especially we Montenegrin Serbs can be considered to be the purest Illyrian descendents in the Balkans,there are almost no blonde Montenegrin Serbs,almost all of us are dark and black haired!
Albanians were a tribe from the Caucasus which were settled on foreign land by Ottomans to secure their Islamic rule in the Middle Ages!
Serbs were always a majority
(in 1871 about 75%,A study done in 1871 by Austrian colonel Peter Kukulj)in Kosovo until the war of 1878 when defeated Albanians and Ottomans who were driven out of Central and South Serbia commited an horrible ethnic cleansing campaign against Serbs which led to over 200.000 of them being ethnically cleansed from Kosovo!

In 1878 Albanians for the first time in history became the majority there,as a result of ethnic cleansing,which continued in 1941,and 1945-1988 when Milosevic reacted against this Albanian genocidial policy!
In 1999 it continued,always with uncompromising help from the West!

“Mothers, remember and teach your children so they can teach their children that expelled Jewish people waited almost 20 centuries to return to the land of their fathers and that Serbian people waited five centuries for the liberation of old Serbia,” Irinej noted."

I am sorry padre but this is not a peaceful message. This is an emotional plea to Serbs; and an extremely hatefull message towards Albanians.

To all the peace loving people of Kosovo and Serbia: Merry Christmas, hug and kiss your loved ones. Be thankfull to god for giving us health, loving families and good friends. Kosovo is just as Albanian as it is Serbian. Serbs and Albanians are people of different faith and different languages, however that should never stand as an obstable to peace and reconciliation. We the current generation owe it to the future generations to sit down and peacefully settle our differences so that our beatifull children can grow up in a beautiful and peaceful place. Our children should have choice to live either in Kosovo or Serbia if they so choose without fear. If Germans, French and English people can do it then so can we.

I am sorry - but I cannot help looking at that picture and marvelling that people can dress like that and take themselves so seriously. The idea that any God exists is so unlikely that to me it is at the level of a joke. Just think about it a while - the word "faith" implicitly implies a lack of actual knowledge. Whole cultures run their politics and their prejudices on the basis of a rough guess about the nature and origin of the universe. I think our knowledge and our common sense should have moved beyond giving so much credence to religions and those who are mentally locked into those ancient ignorances.

Dang, look at that bling on that dudes neck yo.

"“Mothers, remember and teach your children so they can teach their children that expelled Jewish people waited almost 20 centuries to return to the land of their fathers and that Serbian people waited five centuries for the liberation of old Serbia,” Irinej noted."

I think Serbs should follow these wise words... According to Mr. Gavrilovic, 20 centuries are nothing so Serbs can certainly wait until 3013 to get Kosovo back and if that's not possible by then, guess what... just wait for another 20 centuries until 5013 and so on. That should not be a problem since Serbs are very patient people.

Iowe,

Evidently, you care enough to respond, so thanks.

"Iowe,

Evidently, you care enough to respond, so thanks.
(Danilo, 5 January 2013 13:09)"

I was being sarcastic in case it didn't occur to you. And if negative attention is better than no attention for you, well, then you really are to be pitied.

From India to north Africa and Scandinavia you can find place names with RAS and SAR. Both names are Serbian ethnic names, that clearly show how large the Serb people once have been!
(mick, 5 January 2013 12:19)

Of course... Also the first of the Homo Sapiens Species was indeed Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Homo Genus was Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Homini Tribe was Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Hominidae Family was Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Primates Order was a Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Mammalia Class was Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Tetrapoda Superclass was a Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Chordata Phylum was a Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Animalia Kingdom was a Serb. And prior to that, the first of the Eukaryte Domain was a Serb maybe as early as 2.700.000.000 years ago. Great scientific discovery mick - scientists have been researching for centuries the ethnicity of the first form of life on Earth and we finally found it.

I am sorry - but I cannot help looking at that picture and marvelling that people can dress like that and take themselves so seriously. The idea that any God exists is so unlikely that to me it is at the level of a joke. Just think about it a while - the word "faith" implicitly implies a lack of actual knowledge. Whole cultures run their politics and their prejudices on the basis of a rough guess about the nature and origin of the universe. I think our knowledge and our common sense should have moved beyond giving so much credence to religions and those who are mentally locked into those ancient ignorances.
(Bob, 4 January 2013 23:56)

Well said.Very well said. Faith itself assumes a total lack of reasoning. It assumes blind belief rather than intelligent, scientific reasoning. If we were to apply blind belief and total lack of reasoninng in any other part of life it wouldnt take long to make it to the looney bin. Yet religions get a pass, are protected and funded? Why?

Practising Albanian orthodox here.

The holy patriarch is out of his mind as are most of our patriarchs all over the world.

The continuous nationalization of our church is our main problem.
We keep getting screwed by these clueless patriarchs.