So tell us about that mosque that was supposed to go up at ground zero in NYC. How did the US citizens react?
(Steve B., 31 December 2012 19:40)
New Yorker here. We had a few nutcases protesting like you have Dacicu but our mayor and the city suported it. The reaction from the nuts was stupid because there's been a mosque in that area for at least a decade. Also this is going to be more than a mosque. Like the jewish cultural center nearby; it will be a cultural center, with pools and gyms etc etc. At least thats the plan.
Basically you had the idiot tea party nuts making noise about nothing. What you may have not seen on TV is the protests that took place simultaneously against these nuts. As an atheists I dont give a rats a$$ about any of this crap. Just making sure the usual Serb "patriot" doesnt distort the story here.
Unlikely that the Pristina municipality would decide on that. But I would like really like to see what happens if Northern Mitrovica municipality would decide to erect an ugly monument for Milosevic and Arkan in their town.
(Questioner, 31 December 2012 11:47)
It does not have to be ugly... but yes they can certainly do that as long as it is in that Municipality's land because they can manage their own local affairs as guaranteed by Kosovo's Constitution which cannot change without Serbs' consent.
If you have a problem seeing the difference between graffiti and a monument then you have a problem.
(sj, 31 December 2012 22:53)
The Oxford English Dictionary defines a "monument" as "statue or other structure" but also as "an enduring and memorable example of something" and brings as example "recordings that are a monument to the art of playing the piano". So it does not have to be something build in stone to call it a "monument". So Ian was correct in British English...
But I agree that in Malaysian English "monument" is probably used for stone structures only - we trust you on that since your are the Malaysian expert here :)
fully support a faceless monument (such as this one) to be erected wherever in Kosovo that honors all the fallen Kosovars (or people if you are insulted by the term) who gave their life defending their way of life (whether Albanian, Serb, or otherwise).
In my view this was a war and history needs to be taught not forgotten or erased. Yes, things were bad and downright chaotic but not anymore -- that's the moral of this story.
A monument with the text written on albanian and stating UCPMB which is a name of a terrorist organisation is never ever faceless.
I find it insane that any minority people in any country would dare to erect a monument that is also celebrating in a way the murders of police officers, then arguing that this monument should stay up in the interests of peace. Whether this terrorist/resistance group was defender or aggressor is IRRELEVENT. The Ethnic Albanians EVERYWHERE should be fully respectful of each and every country they live in and not treat every place with a majority Albanian population as if it's Albania. I live in a majority Vietnamese area in Australia. Should we have the right to erect a monument to all those killed by Australian troops and then threaten and expect them to allow the monument in the interest of peace? Ridiculous!
"All they can tell you is Kosova has been stolen, they have never been told that Kosova was never theirs to begin with for that very reason I feel sorry for them."
Above is Nice Albo story for albo children.
Albo is in Kosovo and Metohija les than 300 yr.But Serb build monuments more than 800 yr. in Kosovo. What albo build --nothing. Albo see Balkan first time in mid 11 century.(George Maniakes 1042 albo
leader).For just 10 yr albo destroy more serb church than Turks for 500 yr. Monument is proof that Kosovo is not albo. Your monument is concrete Bunker to bunker in albo land build in past 60yr. go back and see them also you will earn retire and not finish nice counting.(750.000)..oops.
Remove and gift it to Croatia, I am sure they would be accommodating of such a beautiful monument. They seem to get on with the Kosovo gov't quiet well.
lovely gov'ts with a shared interest.
"According to the Office for Kosovo, more than 100,000 icons, church artifacts “that are being sold in the global illegal antiquities market” have been stolen. "
I would not trust sellers of antiquities that easily, they would sell you a hair picked from their chest in the morning pretending it is Jesus Christ's hair. 100 thousand icons also is a strangely big and round number, you need a printer to produce that amount of icons. Not really antique if done with a printer.
In the UK we have about 2,000 murals honouring the Provisional IRA.
So much for "In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited."
(Ian, UK, 31 December 2012 01:35)
If you have a problem seeing the difference between graffiti and a monument then you have a problem.
In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited.
Who give PERMIT to build that earn open door for Jail.
to my opinion Local authority in charge don't care for Serbia.
Here is Albo double standard: at day time they work for Goverment in nice position with good salary, at nightime monument growing up with MUSHROOMS RECIPES.
(Srboljub, 30 December 2012 18:40)
In the UK we have about 2,000 murals honouring the Provisional IRA.
So much for "In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited."
(Ian, UK, 31 December 2012 01:35)
So tell us about that mosque that was supposed to go up at ground zero in NYC. How did the US citizens react?
(Taken from Washington Post) What is happening in Kosovo was best described by Canadian Maj. Gen. Lewis MacKenzie, the first commander of U.N. peacekeeping forces in Sarajevo, who wrote in the National Post (Canada), “The Kosovo-Albanians have played us like a Stradivarius. We have subsidized and indirectly supported their violent campaign for an ethnically pure and independent Kosovo. We have never blamed them for being the perpetrators of the violence in the early ‘90s and we continue to portray them as the designated victim today in spite of evidence to the contrary. When they achieve independence with the help of our tax dollars combined with those of bin Laden and al-Qaeda, just consider the message of encouragement this sends to other terrorist-supported independence movements around the world.”
"Haradinaj said on Saturday that he hoped that “Belgrade will adhere to European principles and criteria” regarding the monument to the terror group in the southern Serbian town of Preševo."
Sure. I think Serbs should set up some Milosevic, Mladic and Karadzic statues in Northern Mitrovica. This is would be perfectly in line with 'European principles' - at least in the sick mind of a Kosovo ex-warlord who plays politician.
"According to the Office for Kosovo, more than 100,000 icons, church artifacts “that are being sold in the global illegal antiquities market” have been stolen.
5,261 tombstones at 256 Serb Orthodox cemeteries have been destroyed and damaged, while there is not a single whole tombstone in more than 50 cemeteries in Kosovo, it is stressed in the release.
“Bones have even been dug out from Serb graves and scattered around while cemeteries have been turned into landfills,” the Office for Kosovo added."
Congratulations on this nice summary of the Kosovo-Albanian way of implementing 'European values' in the independent dream state of Kosovo, where the rule of law is present everywhere.
"That's absolutely fine if the Pristina Municipality, or for that matter, any other municipality in Kosovo decides to build it in the municipality's land."
(icj1, 31 December 2012 04:54)
Unlikely that the Pristina municipality would decide on that. But I would like really like to see what happens if Northern Mitrovica municipality would decide to erect an ugly monument for Milosevic and Arkan in their town.
How come Vulin supports the criminals in the north, oh wait the serbrs are always right, sorry! It doesn't meter in which side they are they are right, simply because they are not Albanians!!!
The problem with Serbs mainly with younger generations who have no clue what their older generations have done in former Yugoslavia such as Croatia, Bosnian, and Kosova is that they have been brainwashed, to this day they have no clue what they really did other than what they have been told by their biased school history etc. They can never understand why Intl community intervened in Yugoslavia.. (To stop Serbs from committing genocide after another). So you young Serbs remember that is not allowed in this civilized world.
Most of the times these young Serbians sound confused or misguided for the most part about any subject related to Kosova. All they can tell you is Kosova has been stolen, they have never been told that Kosova was never theirs to begin with for that very reason I feel sorry for them. Serbian media changed the story back in the 90's for Serbs in Serbia. They were told what their nationalistic leaders wanted the general public to hear and know. Hardly any facts were given to Serbian population, that is why they fail to defend themselves when they stick up for Serbia at any subject related to Kosova. I would personally invite any Serbian who might think they know what they're talking about. I challenge any of them so they do not feel confused about general things such as this monument in Presheva. This is one topic they're confused about imagine the rest?
@KOSOthe monument isnt faceless. if it were, commemorating all who died in the fighting (serb and albanian alike) it would be more than acceptable. This monument is far from faceless and far from peace.
One stick of TNT ought to do it. I am sure that some local Albanian can provide it on the black market...
(ecoman, 30 December 2012 17:51)
I am glad that finally you came around and admitted that; Kosova is an Albanian land. THANKS ECOMAN.
(Ardi Asllani, 30 December 2012 19:35)
Aha so according to an Albanian, the land where he stands is Albanian land ? Thank you for this rare insight into the mind of the Albanian tribesman. If the Nazis, the jewish settlers on west bank, the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, and all the countries in Africa that constantly split up and occupy eachother are judged for this ridiculous state of mind, so will the Albanians. It is merely a matter of time.
So how about a serbian monument in the middle of Pristina celebrating the serbs that defended their people and families, would that be ok with you?You can build how many monuments u want in albania but not on serbian soil.
(Daniel, 30 December 2012 20:00)
I fully support a faceless monument (such as this one) to be erected wherever in Kosovo that honors all the fallen Kosovars (or people if you are insulted by the term) who gave their life defending their way of life (whether Albanian, Serb, or otherwise).
In my view this was a war and history needs to be taught not forgotten or erased. Yes, things were bad and downright chaotic but not anymore -- that's the moral of this story.
So how about a serbian monument in the middle of Pristina celebrating the serbs that defended their people and families, would that be ok with you?
(Daniel, 30 December 2012 20:00)
That's absolutely fine if the Pristina Municipality, or for that matter, any other municipality in Kosovo decides to build it in the municipality's land.
It is grotesque to compare this ugly monument slapped up in the last decade to the centuries old churches and artifacts being destroyed in Kosovo. When modern nations quarrel it is the cultural monuments of the past that suffer (just like in Bosnia), but Kosovo Albanians have unfortunately taken this to an extreme and are desecrating Serbian art and architecture more thoroughly than anything previously seen. Serbia controlled Prizren for most of a century, but the historic mosque and bathhouse still exist, whereas in the first years of their control the Kosovars attempted (with some success) to destroy all of Prizren's medieval churches. Serbia is not totally innocent in this, as many local militias and paramilitaries in Republika Srpska burned, destroyed, or dynamited priceless Turkish relics in Bosnia during the last war, but it is unprecedented and repulsive for Kosovo Albanians to continue to destroy historical artifacts in peace time and without provocation. Did the Turks blow up Hagia Sophia? Did the Egyptians dynamite the pyramids? Did the Spanish destroy the Moorish mosque of Cordoba?
In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited.
Who give PERMIT to build that earn open door for Jail.
to my opinion Local authority in charge don't care for Serbia.
Here is Albo double standard: at day time they work for Goverment in nice position with good salary, at nightime monument growing up with MUSHROOMS RECIPES.
(Srboljub, 30 December 2012 18:40)
In the UK we have about 2,000 murals honouring the Provisional IRA.
So much for "In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited."
@KOSOin the name of good faith you say...let Serbs raise a monument to fallen soldiers from Milorad Ulemek's red berrets or from Arkan's tigers in central Priština or central Tirana. They protected Serbian homes from the KLA. Than i think good faith would work.
Not a single thing in that press release of the "office for Kosovo" has anything to do with:
1. Haradinaj's comments
2. The monument itself
In fact it was a classic case of propaganda spewing for no apparent reason. What I find interesting is that an agency/office called "office for KOSOVO" is making a statement about an event OUTSIDE of Kosovo -- am I right?
I also don't understand how Serbia is "rewarding criminals". Did Belgrade finance this two-by-four object or was it the local people of those towns?
I have to ask, don't Serbs value the honor of protecting ones family, home, and community? Yes, you consider them criminals but to these people they are heroes and beacons of hope. Threatening to bringing the monument down will only worsen relations between our people.
Try being amicable, or in good faith, before you spew propaganda and use force.
Tung,
(KOSO, 30 December 2012 18:53)
So how about a serbian monument in the middle of Pristina celebrating the serbs that defended their people and families, would that be ok with you?You can build how many monuments u want in albania but not on serbian soil.
One stick of TNT ought to do it. I am sure that some local Albanian can provide it on the black market. Business is business. This monument, for KLA fighters, belongs in Pristina, or maybe Albania, but certainly not on Serbian soil. Or how about a trade, the Serbs put a monument up to fallen Serbian soldiers who were defending their land from KLA fighters, and we call it quits? Don't you Albanian supporters here agree that would be a fair deal?
(ecoman, 30 December 2012 17:51)
I am glad that finally you came around and admitted that; Kosova is an Albanian land. THANKS ECOMAN.
Not a single thing in that press release of the "office for Kosovo" has anything to do with:
1. Haradinaj's comments
2. The monument itself
In fact it was a classic case of propaganda spewing for no apparent reason. What I find interesting is that an agency/office called "office for KOSOVO" is making a statement about an event OUTSIDE of Kosovo -- am I right?
I also don't understand how Serbia is "rewarding criminals". Did Belgrade finance this two-by-four object or was it the local people of those towns?
I have to ask, don't Serbs value the honor of protecting ones family, home, and community? Yes, you consider them criminals but to these people they are heroes and beacons of hope. Threatening to bringing the monument down will only worsen relations between our people.
Try being amicable, or in good faith, before you spew propaganda and use force.
In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited.
Who give PERMIT to build that earn open door for Jail.
to my opinion Local authority in charge don't care for Serbia.
Here is Albo double standard: at day time they work for Goverment in nice position with good salary, at nightime monument growing up with MUSHROOMS RECIPES.
One stick of TNT ought to do it. I am sure that some local Albanian can provide it on the black market. Business is business. This monument, for KLA fighters, belongs in Pristina, or maybe Albania, but certainly not on Serbian soil. Or how about a trade, the Serbs put a monument up to fallen Serbian soldiers who were defending their land from KLA fighters, and we call it quits? Don't you Albanian supporters here agree that would be a fair deal?
If Serbian leadership decide to remove the monument then the Albanians deserve the right to hit the Serbs where it hurts most....Nothing has changed in the Serbian politics despite the lost previous wars....
In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited.
Who give PERMIT to build that earn open door for Jail.
to my opinion Local authority in charge don't care for Serbia.
Here is Albo double standard: at day time they work for Goverment in nice position with good salary, at nightime monument growing up with MUSHROOMS RECIPES.
One stick of TNT ought to do it. I am sure that some local Albanian can provide it on the black market. Business is business. This monument, for KLA fighters, belongs in Pristina, or maybe Albania, but certainly not on Serbian soil. Or how about a trade, the Serbs put a monument up to fallen Serbian soldiers who were defending their land from KLA fighters, and we call it quits? Don't you Albanian supporters here agree that would be a fair deal?
If Serbian leadership decide to remove the monument then the Albanians deserve the right to hit the Serbs where it hurts most....Nothing has changed in the Serbian politics despite the lost previous wars....
Not a single thing in that press release of the "office for Kosovo" has anything to do with:
1. Haradinaj's comments
2. The monument itself
In fact it was a classic case of propaganda spewing for no apparent reason. What I find interesting is that an agency/office called "office for KOSOVO" is making a statement about an event OUTSIDE of Kosovo -- am I right?
I also don't understand how Serbia is "rewarding criminals". Did Belgrade finance this two-by-four object or was it the local people of those towns?
I have to ask, don't Serbs value the honor of protecting ones family, home, and community? Yes, you consider them criminals but to these people they are heroes and beacons of hope. Threatening to bringing the monument down will only worsen relations between our people.
Try being amicable, or in good faith, before you spew propaganda and use force.
Not a single thing in that press release of the "office for Kosovo" has anything to do with:
1. Haradinaj's comments
2. The monument itself
In fact it was a classic case of propaganda spewing for no apparent reason. What I find interesting is that an agency/office called "office for KOSOVO" is making a statement about an event OUTSIDE of Kosovo -- am I right?
I also don't understand how Serbia is "rewarding criminals". Did Belgrade finance this two-by-four object or was it the local people of those towns?
I have to ask, don't Serbs value the honor of protecting ones family, home, and community? Yes, you consider them criminals but to these people they are heroes and beacons of hope. Threatening to bringing the monument down will only worsen relations between our people.
Try being amicable, or in good faith, before you spew propaganda and use force.
Tung,
(KOSO, 30 December 2012 18:53)
So how about a serbian monument in the middle of Pristina celebrating the serbs that defended their people and families, would that be ok with you?You can build how many monuments u want in albania but not on serbian soil.
@KOSOin the name of good faith you say...let Serbs raise a monument to fallen soldiers from Milorad Ulemek's red berrets or from Arkan's tigers in central Priština or central Tirana. They protected Serbian homes from the KLA. Than i think good faith would work.
One stick of TNT ought to do it. I am sure that some local Albanian can provide it on the black market. Business is business. This monument, for KLA fighters, belongs in Pristina, or maybe Albania, but certainly not on Serbian soil. Or how about a trade, the Serbs put a monument up to fallen Serbian soldiers who were defending their land from KLA fighters, and we call it quits? Don't you Albanian supporters here agree that would be a fair deal?
(ecoman, 30 December 2012 17:51)
I am glad that finally you came around and admitted that; Kosova is an Albanian land. THANKS ECOMAN.
In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited.
Who give PERMIT to build that earn open door for Jail.
to my opinion Local authority in charge don't care for Serbia.
Here is Albo double standard: at day time they work for Goverment in nice position with good salary, at nightime monument growing up with MUSHROOMS RECIPES.
(Srboljub, 30 December 2012 18:40)
In the UK we have about 2,000 murals honouring the Provisional IRA.
So much for "In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited."
(Taken from Washington Post) What is happening in Kosovo was best described by Canadian Maj. Gen. Lewis MacKenzie, the first commander of U.N. peacekeeping forces in Sarajevo, who wrote in the National Post (Canada), “The Kosovo-Albanians have played us like a Stradivarius. We have subsidized and indirectly supported their violent campaign for an ethnically pure and independent Kosovo. We have never blamed them for being the perpetrators of the violence in the early ‘90s and we continue to portray them as the designated victim today in spite of evidence to the contrary. When they achieve independence with the help of our tax dollars combined with those of bin Laden and al-Qaeda, just consider the message of encouragement this sends to other terrorist-supported independence movements around the world.”
It is grotesque to compare this ugly monument slapped up in the last decade to the centuries old churches and artifacts being destroyed in Kosovo. When modern nations quarrel it is the cultural monuments of the past that suffer (just like in Bosnia), but Kosovo Albanians have unfortunately taken this to an extreme and are desecrating Serbian art and architecture more thoroughly than anything previously seen. Serbia controlled Prizren for most of a century, but the historic mosque and bathhouse still exist, whereas in the first years of their control the Kosovars attempted (with some success) to destroy all of Prizren's medieval churches. Serbia is not totally innocent in this, as many local militias and paramilitaries in Republika Srpska burned, destroyed, or dynamited priceless Turkish relics in Bosnia during the last war, but it is unprecedented and repulsive for Kosovo Albanians to continue to destroy historical artifacts in peace time and without provocation. Did the Turks blow up Hagia Sophia? Did the Egyptians dynamite the pyramids? Did the Spanish destroy the Moorish mosque of Cordoba?
So how about a serbian monument in the middle of Pristina celebrating the serbs that defended their people and families, would that be ok with you?You can build how many monuments u want in albania but not on serbian soil.
(Daniel, 30 December 2012 20:00)
I fully support a faceless monument (such as this one) to be erected wherever in Kosovo that honors all the fallen Kosovars (or people if you are insulted by the term) who gave their life defending their way of life (whether Albanian, Serb, or otherwise).
In my view this was a war and history needs to be taught not forgotten or erased. Yes, things were bad and downright chaotic but not anymore -- that's the moral of this story.
One stick of TNT ought to do it. I am sure that some local Albanian can provide it on the black market...
(ecoman, 30 December 2012 17:51)
I am glad that finally you came around and admitted that; Kosova is an Albanian land. THANKS ECOMAN.
(Ardi Asllani, 30 December 2012 19:35)
Aha so according to an Albanian, the land where he stands is Albanian land ? Thank you for this rare insight into the mind of the Albanian tribesman. If the Nazis, the jewish settlers on west bank, the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, and all the countries in Africa that constantly split up and occupy eachother are judged for this ridiculous state of mind, so will the Albanians. It is merely a matter of time.
@KOSOthe monument isnt faceless. if it were, commemorating all who died in the fighting (serb and albanian alike) it would be more than acceptable. This monument is far from faceless and far from peace.
"Haradinaj said on Saturday that he hoped that “Belgrade will adhere to European principles and criteria” regarding the monument to the terror group in the southern Serbian town of Preševo."
Sure. I think Serbs should set up some Milosevic, Mladic and Karadzic statues in Northern Mitrovica. This is would be perfectly in line with 'European principles' - at least in the sick mind of a Kosovo ex-warlord who plays politician.
"According to the Office for Kosovo, more than 100,000 icons, church artifacts “that are being sold in the global illegal antiquities market” have been stolen.
5,261 tombstones at 256 Serb Orthodox cemeteries have been destroyed and damaged, while there is not a single whole tombstone in more than 50 cemeteries in Kosovo, it is stressed in the release.
“Bones have even been dug out from Serb graves and scattered around while cemeteries have been turned into landfills,” the Office for Kosovo added."
Congratulations on this nice summary of the Kosovo-Albanian way of implementing 'European values' in the independent dream state of Kosovo, where the rule of law is present everywhere.
The problem with Serbs mainly with younger generations who have no clue what their older generations have done in former Yugoslavia such as Croatia, Bosnian, and Kosova is that they have been brainwashed, to this day they have no clue what they really did other than what they have been told by their biased school history etc. They can never understand why Intl community intervened in Yugoslavia.. (To stop Serbs from committing genocide after another). So you young Serbs remember that is not allowed in this civilized world.
Most of the times these young Serbians sound confused or misguided for the most part about any subject related to Kosova. All they can tell you is Kosova has been stolen, they have never been told that Kosova was never theirs to begin with for that very reason I feel sorry for them. Serbian media changed the story back in the 90's for Serbs in Serbia. They were told what their nationalistic leaders wanted the general public to hear and know. Hardly any facts were given to Serbian population, that is why they fail to defend themselves when they stick up for Serbia at any subject related to Kosova. I would personally invite any Serbian who might think they know what they're talking about. I challenge any of them so they do not feel confused about general things such as this monument in Presheva. This is one topic they're confused about imagine the rest?
In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited.
Who give PERMIT to build that earn open door for Jail.
to my opinion Local authority in charge don't care for Serbia.
Here is Albo double standard: at day time they work for Goverment in nice position with good salary, at nightime monument growing up with MUSHROOMS RECIPES.
(Srboljub, 30 December 2012 18:40)
In the UK we have about 2,000 murals honouring the Provisional IRA.
So much for "In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited."
(Ian, UK, 31 December 2012 01:35)
So tell us about that mosque that was supposed to go up at ground zero in NYC. How did the US citizens react?
In the UK we have about 2,000 murals honouring the Provisional IRA.
So much for "In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited."
(Ian, UK, 31 December 2012 01:35)
If you have a problem seeing the difference between graffiti and a monument then you have a problem.
"All they can tell you is Kosova has been stolen, they have never been told that Kosova was never theirs to begin with for that very reason I feel sorry for them."
Above is Nice Albo story for albo children.
Albo is in Kosovo and Metohija les than 300 yr.But Serb build monuments more than 800 yr. in Kosovo. What albo build --nothing. Albo see Balkan first time in mid 11 century.(George Maniakes 1042 albo
leader).For just 10 yr albo destroy more serb church than Turks for 500 yr. Monument is proof that Kosovo is not albo. Your monument is concrete Bunker to bunker in albo land build in past 60yr. go back and see them also you will earn retire and not finish nice counting.(750.000)..oops.
I find it insane that any minority people in any country would dare to erect a monument that is also celebrating in a way the murders of police officers, then arguing that this monument should stay up in the interests of peace. Whether this terrorist/resistance group was defender or aggressor is IRRELEVENT. The Ethnic Albanians EVERYWHERE should be fully respectful of each and every country they live in and not treat every place with a majority Albanian population as if it's Albania. I live in a majority Vietnamese area in Australia. Should we have the right to erect a monument to all those killed by Australian troops and then threaten and expect them to allow the monument in the interest of peace? Ridiculous!
So how about a serbian monument in the middle of Pristina celebrating the serbs that defended their people and families, would that be ok with you?
(Daniel, 30 December 2012 20:00)
That's absolutely fine if the Pristina Municipality, or for that matter, any other municipality in Kosovo decides to build it in the municipality's land.
How come Vulin supports the criminals in the north, oh wait the serbrs are always right, sorry! It doesn't meter in which side they are they are right, simply because they are not Albanians!!!
Remove and gift it to Croatia, I am sure they would be accommodating of such a beautiful monument. They seem to get on with the Kosovo gov't quiet well.
lovely gov'ts with a shared interest.
So tell us about that mosque that was supposed to go up at ground zero in NYC. How did the US citizens react?
(Steve B., 31 December 2012 19:40)
New Yorker here. We had a few nutcases protesting like you have Dacicu but our mayor and the city suported it. The reaction from the nuts was stupid because there's been a mosque in that area for at least a decade. Also this is going to be more than a mosque. Like the jewish cultural center nearby; it will be a cultural center, with pools and gyms etc etc. At least thats the plan.
Basically you had the idiot tea party nuts making noise about nothing. What you may have not seen on TV is the protests that took place simultaneously against these nuts. As an atheists I dont give a rats a$$ about any of this crap. Just making sure the usual Serb "patriot" doesnt distort the story here.
"That's absolutely fine if the Pristina Municipality, or for that matter, any other municipality in Kosovo decides to build it in the municipality's land."
(icj1, 31 December 2012 04:54)
Unlikely that the Pristina municipality would decide on that. But I would like really like to see what happens if Northern Mitrovica municipality would decide to erect an ugly monument for Milosevic and Arkan in their town.
fully support a faceless monument (such as this one) to be erected wherever in Kosovo that honors all the fallen Kosovars (or people if you are insulted by the term) who gave their life defending their way of life (whether Albanian, Serb, or otherwise).
In my view this was a war and history needs to be taught not forgotten or erased. Yes, things were bad and downright chaotic but not anymore -- that's the moral of this story.
A monument with the text written on albanian and stating UCPMB which is a name of a terrorist organisation is never ever faceless.
Unlikely that the Pristina municipality would decide on that. But I would like really like to see what happens if Northern Mitrovica municipality would decide to erect an ugly monument for Milosevic and Arkan in their town.
(Questioner, 31 December 2012 11:47)
It does not have to be ugly... but yes they can certainly do that as long as it is in that Municipality's land because they can manage their own local affairs as guaranteed by Kosovo's Constitution which cannot change without Serbs' consent.
If you have a problem seeing the difference between graffiti and a monument then you have a problem.
(sj, 31 December 2012 22:53)
The Oxford English Dictionary defines a "monument" as "statue or other structure" but also as "an enduring and memorable example of something" and brings as example "recordings that are a monument to the art of playing the piano". So it does not have to be something build in stone to call it a "monument". So Ian was correct in British English...
But I agree that in Malaysian English "monument" is probably used for stone structures only - we trust you on that since your are the Malaysian expert here :)
"According to the Office for Kosovo, more than 100,000 icons, church artifacts “that are being sold in the global illegal antiquities market” have been stolen. "
I would not trust sellers of antiquities that easily, they would sell you a hair picked from their chest in the morning pretending it is Jesus Christ's hair. 100 thousand icons also is a strangely big and round number, you need a printer to produce that amount of icons. Not really antique if done with a printer.
If Serbian leadership decide to remove the monument then the Albanians deserve the right to hit the Serbs where it hurts most....Nothing has changed in the Serbian politics despite the lost previous wars....
Not a single thing in that press release of the "office for Kosovo" has anything to do with:
1. Haradinaj's comments
2. The monument itself
In fact it was a classic case of propaganda spewing for no apparent reason. What I find interesting is that an agency/office called "office for KOSOVO" is making a statement about an event OUTSIDE of Kosovo -- am I right?
I also don't understand how Serbia is "rewarding criminals". Did Belgrade finance this two-by-four object or was it the local people of those towns?
I have to ask, don't Serbs value the honor of protecting ones family, home, and community? Yes, you consider them criminals but to these people they are heroes and beacons of hope. Threatening to bringing the monument down will only worsen relations between our people.
Try being amicable, or in good faith, before you spew propaganda and use force.
One stick of TNT ought to do it. I am sure that some local Albanian can provide it on the black market. Business is business. This monument, for KLA fighters, belongs in Pristina, or maybe Albania, but certainly not on Serbian soil. Or how about a trade, the Serbs put a monument up to fallen Serbian soldiers who were defending their land from KLA fighters, and we call it quits? Don't you Albanian supporters here agree that would be a fair deal?
(ecoman, 30 December 2012 17:51)
I am glad that finally you came around and admitted that; Kosova is an Albanian land. THANKS ECOMAN.
One stick of TNT ought to do it. I am sure that some local Albanian can provide it on the black market. Business is business. This monument, for KLA fighters, belongs in Pristina, or maybe Albania, but certainly not on Serbian soil. Or how about a trade, the Serbs put a monument up to fallen Serbian soldiers who were defending their land from KLA fighters, and we call it quits? Don't you Albanian supporters here agree that would be a fair deal?
@KOSOin the name of good faith you say...let Serbs raise a monument to fallen soldiers from Milorad Ulemek's red berrets or from Arkan's tigers in central Priština or central Tirana. They protected Serbian homes from the KLA. Than i think good faith would work.
The problem with Serbs mainly with younger generations who have no clue what their older generations have done in former Yugoslavia such as Croatia, Bosnian, and Kosova is that they have been brainwashed, to this day they have no clue what they really did other than what they have been told by their biased school history etc. They can never understand why Intl community intervened in Yugoslavia.. (To stop Serbs from committing genocide after another). So you young Serbs remember that is not allowed in this civilized world.
Most of the times these young Serbians sound confused or misguided for the most part about any subject related to Kosova. All they can tell you is Kosova has been stolen, they have never been told that Kosova was never theirs to begin with for that very reason I feel sorry for them. Serbian media changed the story back in the 90's for Serbs in Serbia. They were told what their nationalistic leaders wanted the general public to hear and know. Hardly any facts were given to Serbian population, that is why they fail to defend themselves when they stick up for Serbia at any subject related to Kosova. I would personally invite any Serbian who might think they know what they're talking about. I challenge any of them so they do not feel confused about general things such as this monument in Presheva. This is one topic they're confused about imagine the rest?
In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited.
Who give PERMIT to build that earn open door for Jail.
to my opinion Local authority in charge don't care for Serbia.
Here is Albo double standard: at day time they work for Goverment in nice position with good salary, at nightime monument growing up with MUSHROOMS RECIPES.
Not a single thing in that press release of the "office for Kosovo" has anything to do with:
1. Haradinaj's comments
2. The monument itself
In fact it was a classic case of propaganda spewing for no apparent reason. What I find interesting is that an agency/office called "office for KOSOVO" is making a statement about an event OUTSIDE of Kosovo -- am I right?
I also don't understand how Serbia is "rewarding criminals". Did Belgrade finance this two-by-four object or was it the local people of those towns?
I have to ask, don't Serbs value the honor of protecting ones family, home, and community? Yes, you consider them criminals but to these people they are heroes and beacons of hope. Threatening to bringing the monument down will only worsen relations between our people.
Try being amicable, or in good faith, before you spew propaganda and use force.
Tung,
(KOSO, 30 December 2012 18:53)
So how about a serbian monument in the middle of Pristina celebrating the serbs that defended their people and families, would that be ok with you?You can build how many monuments u want in albania but not on serbian soil.
How come Vulin supports the criminals in the north, oh wait the serbrs are always right, sorry! It doesn't meter in which side they are they are right, simply because they are not Albanians!!!
In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited.
Who give PERMIT to build that earn open door for Jail.
to my opinion Local authority in charge don't care for Serbia.
Here is Albo double standard: at day time they work for Goverment in nice position with good salary, at nightime monument growing up with MUSHROOMS RECIPES.
(Srboljub, 30 December 2012 18:40)
In the UK we have about 2,000 murals honouring the Provisional IRA.
So much for "In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited."
@KOSOthe monument isnt faceless. if it were, commemorating all who died in the fighting (serb and albanian alike) it would be more than acceptable. This monument is far from faceless and far from peace.
So how about a serbian monument in the middle of Pristina celebrating the serbs that defended their people and families, would that be ok with you?
(Daniel, 30 December 2012 20:00)
That's absolutely fine if the Pristina Municipality, or for that matter, any other municipality in Kosovo decides to build it in the municipality's land.
So how about a serbian monument in the middle of Pristina celebrating the serbs that defended their people and families, would that be ok with you?You can build how many monuments u want in albania but not on serbian soil.
(Daniel, 30 December 2012 20:00)
I fully support a faceless monument (such as this one) to be erected wherever in Kosovo that honors all the fallen Kosovars (or people if you are insulted by the term) who gave their life defending their way of life (whether Albanian, Serb, or otherwise).
In my view this was a war and history needs to be taught not forgotten or erased. Yes, things were bad and downright chaotic but not anymore -- that's the moral of this story.
It is grotesque to compare this ugly monument slapped up in the last decade to the centuries old churches and artifacts being destroyed in Kosovo. When modern nations quarrel it is the cultural monuments of the past that suffer (just like in Bosnia), but Kosovo Albanians have unfortunately taken this to an extreme and are desecrating Serbian art and architecture more thoroughly than anything previously seen. Serbia controlled Prizren for most of a century, but the historic mosque and bathhouse still exist, whereas in the first years of their control the Kosovars attempted (with some success) to destroy all of Prizren's medieval churches. Serbia is not totally innocent in this, as many local militias and paramilitaries in Republika Srpska burned, destroyed, or dynamited priceless Turkish relics in Bosnia during the last war, but it is unprecedented and repulsive for Kosovo Albanians to continue to destroy historical artifacts in peace time and without provocation. Did the Turks blow up Hagia Sophia? Did the Egyptians dynamite the pyramids? Did the Spanish destroy the Moorish mosque of Cordoba?
One stick of TNT ought to do it. I am sure that some local Albanian can provide it on the black market...
(ecoman, 30 December 2012 17:51)
I am glad that finally you came around and admitted that; Kosova is an Albanian land. THANKS ECOMAN.
(Ardi Asllani, 30 December 2012 19:35)
Aha so according to an Albanian, the land where he stands is Albanian land ? Thank you for this rare insight into the mind of the Albanian tribesman. If the Nazis, the jewish settlers on west bank, the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, and all the countries in Africa that constantly split up and occupy eachother are judged for this ridiculous state of mind, so will the Albanians. It is merely a matter of time.
"That's absolutely fine if the Pristina Municipality, or for that matter, any other municipality in Kosovo decides to build it in the municipality's land."
(icj1, 31 December 2012 04:54)
Unlikely that the Pristina municipality would decide on that. But I would like really like to see what happens if Northern Mitrovica municipality would decide to erect an ugly monument for Milosevic and Arkan in their town.
In the UK we have about 2,000 murals honouring the Provisional IRA.
So much for "In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited."
(Ian, UK, 31 December 2012 01:35)
If you have a problem seeing the difference between graffiti and a monument then you have a problem.
"Haradinaj said on Saturday that he hoped that “Belgrade will adhere to European principles and criteria” regarding the monument to the terror group in the southern Serbian town of Preševo."
Sure. I think Serbs should set up some Milosevic, Mladic and Karadzic statues in Northern Mitrovica. This is would be perfectly in line with 'European principles' - at least in the sick mind of a Kosovo ex-warlord who plays politician.
"According to the Office for Kosovo, more than 100,000 icons, church artifacts “that are being sold in the global illegal antiquities market” have been stolen.
5,261 tombstones at 256 Serb Orthodox cemeteries have been destroyed and damaged, while there is not a single whole tombstone in more than 50 cemeteries in Kosovo, it is stressed in the release.
“Bones have even been dug out from Serb graves and scattered around while cemeteries have been turned into landfills,” the Office for Kosovo added."
Congratulations on this nice summary of the Kosovo-Albanian way of implementing 'European values' in the independent dream state of Kosovo, where the rule of law is present everywhere.
(Taken from Washington Post) What is happening in Kosovo was best described by Canadian Maj. Gen. Lewis MacKenzie, the first commander of U.N. peacekeeping forces in Sarajevo, who wrote in the National Post (Canada), “The Kosovo-Albanians have played us like a Stradivarius. We have subsidized and indirectly supported their violent campaign for an ethnically pure and independent Kosovo. We have never blamed them for being the perpetrators of the violence in the early ‘90s and we continue to portray them as the designated victim today in spite of evidence to the contrary. When they achieve independence with the help of our tax dollars combined with those of bin Laden and al-Qaeda, just consider the message of encouragement this sends to other terrorist-supported independence movements around the world.”
In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited.
Who give PERMIT to build that earn open door for Jail.
to my opinion Local authority in charge don't care for Serbia.
Here is Albo double standard: at day time they work for Goverment in nice position with good salary, at nightime monument growing up with MUSHROOMS RECIPES.
(Srboljub, 30 December 2012 18:40)
In the UK we have about 2,000 murals honouring the Provisional IRA.
So much for "In Any Western Country this type of the activity is not permited."
(Ian, UK, 31 December 2012 01:35)
So tell us about that mosque that was supposed to go up at ground zero in NYC. How did the US citizens react?
Remove and gift it to Croatia, I am sure they would be accommodating of such a beautiful monument. They seem to get on with the Kosovo gov't quiet well.
lovely gov'ts with a shared interest.
"All they can tell you is Kosova has been stolen, they have never been told that Kosova was never theirs to begin with for that very reason I feel sorry for them."
Above is Nice Albo story for albo children.
Albo is in Kosovo and Metohija les than 300 yr.But Serb build monuments more than 800 yr. in Kosovo. What albo build --nothing. Albo see Balkan first time in mid 11 century.(George Maniakes 1042 albo
leader).For just 10 yr albo destroy more serb church than Turks for 500 yr. Monument is proof that Kosovo is not albo. Your monument is concrete Bunker to bunker in albo land build in past 60yr. go back and see them also you will earn retire and not finish nice counting.(750.000)..oops.
fully support a faceless monument (such as this one) to be erected wherever in Kosovo that honors all the fallen Kosovars (or people if you are insulted by the term) who gave their life defending their way of life (whether Albanian, Serb, or otherwise).
In my view this was a war and history needs to be taught not forgotten or erased. Yes, things were bad and downright chaotic but not anymore -- that's the moral of this story.
A monument with the text written on albanian and stating UCPMB which is a name of a terrorist organisation is never ever faceless.
If you have a problem seeing the difference between graffiti and a monument then you have a problem.
(sj, 31 December 2012 22:53)
The Oxford English Dictionary defines a "monument" as "statue or other structure" but also as "an enduring and memorable example of something" and brings as example "recordings that are a monument to the art of playing the piano". So it does not have to be something build in stone to call it a "monument". So Ian was correct in British English...
But I agree that in Malaysian English "monument" is probably used for stone structures only - we trust you on that since your are the Malaysian expert here :)
"According to the Office for Kosovo, more than 100,000 icons, church artifacts “that are being sold in the global illegal antiquities market” have been stolen. "
I would not trust sellers of antiquities that easily, they would sell you a hair picked from their chest in the morning pretending it is Jesus Christ's hair. 100 thousand icons also is a strangely big and round number, you need a printer to produce that amount of icons. Not really antique if done with a printer.
I find it insane that any minority people in any country would dare to erect a monument that is also celebrating in a way the murders of police officers, then arguing that this monument should stay up in the interests of peace. Whether this terrorist/resistance group was defender or aggressor is IRRELEVENT. The Ethnic Albanians EVERYWHERE should be fully respectful of each and every country they live in and not treat every place with a majority Albanian population as if it's Albania. I live in a majority Vietnamese area in Australia. Should we have the right to erect a monument to all those killed by Australian troops and then threaten and expect them to allow the monument in the interest of peace? Ridiculous!
Unlikely that the Pristina municipality would decide on that. But I would like really like to see what happens if Northern Mitrovica municipality would decide to erect an ugly monument for Milosevic and Arkan in their town.
(Questioner, 31 December 2012 11:47)
It does not have to be ugly... but yes they can certainly do that as long as it is in that Municipality's land because they can manage their own local affairs as guaranteed by Kosovo's Constitution which cannot change without Serbs' consent.
So tell us about that mosque that was supposed to go up at ground zero in NYC. How did the US citizens react?
(Steve B., 31 December 2012 19:40)
New Yorker here. We had a few nutcases protesting like you have Dacicu but our mayor and the city suported it. The reaction from the nuts was stupid because there's been a mosque in that area for at least a decade. Also this is going to be more than a mosque. Like the jewish cultural center nearby; it will be a cultural center, with pools and gyms etc etc. At least thats the plan.
Basically you had the idiot tea party nuts making noise about nothing. What you may have not seen on TV is the protests that took place simultaneously against these nuts. As an atheists I dont give a rats a$$ about any of this crap. Just making sure the usual Serb "patriot" doesnt distort the story here.
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