Serbia will prove “it is not only culprit”

Nobody is interested in Serbian lies. OK, maybe Iran.

"this would be Serbia’s chance to respond to Hague Tribunal’s message “that there is only one culprit and only one criminal side and that is the Serbian side.”"

This message was never sent, but it's a fact that Serbs were the main culprits, and the Serbian side was the criminal side. You can see it if you, for example, look at the lists of the people killed in the ex-YU war and their ethnicity. You don't even have to compare relative to the population size (with Serbs being the biggest ethnic group).

Good Job, keep it up Vuk.

'Jeremić said that Serbia's position in the world was now "more visible than ever before and certainly more visible than any time in the last 20 years."'

This might not be the advantage you seem to think it is.

Go Jeremic go! Put one UN body against another! Too bad you will be there for only one year, you could have destroyed the UN. Do as much damage as you can while you there. This useless organization.

So sad. This guy is bad news for Serbia. The fact allow that there are people working behind the scenes trying to get him to drop it; is a solid warning sign. Serbs should be prepared to be embarrassed and more isolated than ever! This will only work to Croatia's advantage even more.

According to Jeremic:

"Things that will be said in this debate will become an official UN document and will be distributed to all international addresses,” he stressed.

"It remains recorded as an official document for those who will write the history tomorrow,” he said, adding that this would be Serbia’s chance to respond to Hague Tribunal’s message “that there is only one culprit and only one criminal side and that is the Serbian side.”

I am afraid this is going to turn out like the asking by Serbia, of the World Court, to rule on the Independence of Kosovo. It will only end up embarrassing Serbia once again.

Has it ever occurred to the inexperienced Jeremic that his and Serbia's strategies and ideas are flawed. Oh well, there is nothing like a mediocre mind that thinks he is onto something.

Vuk every one knows that all roads lead to Belgrade Serbia and Serbia is the undisputed determiner in all aggression's. You are just making a lot of BS as usual hoping. The smell will throw people off but everyone knows where it comes from another epic Serb fail.

I wish Serbia would stop putting so much effort,time and money into the past and instead invest it in the future

Ok, so he does not expect the majority of countries to agree with Serbia about the Hague, and yet he says it will be a document that will be there for people who write history. Is this not just like the ICJ where Serbia had the international community put in writing that Serbia was wrong?
As far as him winning the UNGA seat being a vote of confidence in Serbia. Traditionally the seat is unopposed, at first it was Lithuania that had put in for the seat and then Serbia bucked tradition and decided to compete. That forced the 2 countries to have to have a vote by UN membership. I am sure that now that the world has seen that this has been a ruse to only advance the Serbian agenda and not that of the international community the vote would be different if held today.

Ask the Palestinians how useful are statements in the UNGA.

Serbia was not a culprit in the least - Serbia was targeted by foreign powers who used old faultlines/separatists to break up Yugoslavia at the Serbs' expense. Too many Serbs lived in the set-to-be "independent" statelets and they were/are seen as an obstacle. The foreign powers, including the UN, worked to ethnically cleanse, kill, greatly weaken or neutralize them.
It is pretty much futile to be saying this at the UN though, although I know there are a least a few in the UN who do know truths of the war that are opposite of what the official propaganda was. UN soldiers did eyewitness the Muslims setting up and provoking bomb attacks and fights, they were involved in burying civilian Bosnian Serbs after their villages were raided, and they did actually see civilian Serbs being killed in the Medak Pocket and found mutilated and burned bodies of Serbs.

"Ask the Palestinians how useful are statements in the UNGA.
(Danilo, 29 December 2012 20:07) "

Ask the people of Kosovo, too. For years there were Resolutions (not just statements) calling on Serbia to stop violating their civil and human rights. Most people remember how helpful that was.

So sad. This guy is bad news for Serbia. The fact allow that there are people working behind the scenes trying to get him to drop it; is a solid warning sign. Serbs should be prepared to be embarrassed and more isolated than ever! This will only work to Croatia's advantage even more.
(Outsider, 29 December 2012 21:32)

Croats do not even make up 5 million people on the Balkans. Serbs, with their low birth rate and huge diaspora still have about twice as many people on the Balkans as the Croats do. You can't isolate the largest ethnic group in the post Yugoslav space. This is why the West is ever so eager for Serbia to 'negotiate'.

Stop acting like Serbia's opinion is irrelevant if the only thing you and the West talk about is....changing Serbia's opinion.

His endeavour is commendable but way too late. Serbia should have done that 20 years ago when the whole world hadn't decided that Serbians were the black sheep of the Balkans. Back then they should have invested some money in building public relations and getting their views heard in the West like the Croats and the Bosniaks did. But the Serbs thought that those things were of no importance and that military superiority was the only thing that mattered. So now what do they hope to achieve? Make people realize that the Hague Tribunal is partial and that it only punishes Serbs and acquits all non Serbs? That the western media played a filthy role by transmitting propaganda and targetting the Serbs as the only culprits of the yugoslav wars? I think people with mind and logic have already come to those conclusions while the rest of the people just don't care and will continue to eat whatever the media feed them. What's been done has been done and now Serbia should focus to the future and make sure that no more defeats will come its way.

Just say sorry, for the people, the region and work on reconciliation of all peoples then they would have no excuse.
you cant wash s**t with P**s

Serbia will "prove" nothing. They will only perpetuate the Serbian "eternal victim" card. The problem is even those countries that are aligned with Serbia still do not portray them as the victims in the Y wars and nothing Serbia is going to say will change that.
Maybe the new national Anthem for Serbia should be the song that ironically became popular in the 1990's "Why is Everybody always Picking on Me"

I think Albanians are the only culprit for any war and anything bad that happens in the Balkans (huge sarcasm).
That's what the history books teach in Serbia.
Hence, let's hate Albanians, kill all of them and send them to where they came from, like south Africa, south pole, north pole or Vanuatu.

Now this is serious:
People, wake up. Move on.

(Comm. Parrisson, 29 December 2012 18:24)

Agreed. Lots of evidence to suggest that Serbs were the main culprits -- but not the only ones. I'd rate the Croats as pretty culpable, too, with the essential difference being that they were interested in less territory. But anyway, anyone who thinks otherwise ought to spend time on research. If Hague tribunal transcripts, video footage and exhibits can't convince you, spend a few hours watching videos online. There, you can find loads of interviews and documentaries featuring all of our favorite Balkan superstars. The best ones are those from the late 1980s and early 1990s. Listen to guys like Jovic, Martic, Babic, Solevic, Bulatovic, Kucan and Mesic...to stories of the deals cut between Milosevic and Tudjman, or Karadzic and Boban. Hear what Seselj has to say about his adventures in Croatia and Bosnia. Watch as Mladic leads JNA bombardments of Croatian villages in Krajina standing in the way of a Serbian takeover. Listen to Djukanovic talk about sending Montenegrins up to Dubrovnik. Check out the JNA assault on Sarajevo in May 1992, or the murder and expulsion of Muslim civilians in Zvornik right around the same time (Seselj has a few things to say about his involvement there). Pay attention to the observations made by international negotiators and UN officers struggling to get the situation under control as Yugoslavia unravelled. Jeremic thinks the history has yet to be written? He's wrong.

As UNGA president he may have the luxury of setting an agenda but he does not have the power to unilaterally determine what the countries of the world are to agree to.
Can you imagine a resolution from the UNGA coming forth that says the majority of the world believes the Hague Tribunal was fair and just and the first signature being that of the former Serbian Foreign Minister?
Most people view a court system as just with the exception of those found guilty.

"UNGA President Vuk Jeremić is convinced that a public debate on the Hague Tribunal will show that Serbia is not the only culprit in wars in ex-Yugoslavia"

Oh, if that is the purpose of this debate than it is an effort for nothing and a waste of taxpayers' money. The Hague Tribunal has ALREADY proved beyond reasonable doubt that Serbs are not the only culprit in wars in ex-Yugoslavia...

P.S. I replaced "Serbia" with "Serbs" because I'm sure it was a lapsus on Vuk's part since the the Hague Tribunal does not have jurisdiction to convict states but only individuals (unless, of course, Vuk was referring to the ICJ).

What's wrong with the initiative of the founder (i.e. UN) to consider the outcome of work of the Coart appointed by it.
As I understood it wouldn't be the discussion about the Hague Tribunal and Serbia but about a practice to appoint separate courts that could be instructed and guided by neglecting the interanional traeties.
Mr. Jeremic has very clearly defined the purpose of the conference but it seems that he is intentionally provoked to comment Hague tribunal - Serbia's issues in order to neglect the significance of the issue he has bravely initiated.

shizus leave it be man i cant listen to u any longer. talk about something else. b92 write about something else blah blah blah

You can see it if you, for example, look at the lists of the people killed in the ex-YU war and their ethnicity.
(Comm. Parrisson, 29 December 2012 18:24)

Just look at the list of people killed in Serbia-NATO war in 1999. and who is the main culprit according to the list?

As UNGA president he may have the luxury of setting an agenda but he does not have the power to unilaterally determine what the countries of the world are to agree to.
(a New Day, 30 December 2012 14:23)

That's what you think but from Vuk's point of view he does think that he can speak on behalf of other countries despite having been proved wrong over and over and over again about his interpretation of other countries' thoughts...

Here is an excellent example of Vuk speaking for another country:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=12&dd=13&nav_id=77773

Just look at the list of people killed in Serbia-NATO war in 1999. and who is the main culprit according to the list?
(aaayyy, 30 December 2012 18:30)

http://www.icty.org/x/cases/milutinovic/tjug/en/090226summary.pdf

kasno Marko

Nobody is interested in Serbian lies. OK, maybe Iran.

"this would be Serbia’s chance to respond to Hague Tribunal’s message “that there is only one culprit and only one criminal side and that is the Serbian side.”"

This message was never sent, but it's a fact that Serbs were the main culprits, and the Serbian side was the criminal side. You can see it if you, for example, look at the lists of the people killed in the ex-YU war and their ethnicity. You don't even have to compare relative to the population size (with Serbs being the biggest ethnic group).

So sad. This guy is bad news for Serbia. The fact allow that there are people working behind the scenes trying to get him to drop it; is a solid warning sign. Serbs should be prepared to be embarrassed and more isolated than ever! This will only work to Croatia's advantage even more.

'Jeremić said that Serbia's position in the world was now "more visible than ever before and certainly more visible than any time in the last 20 years."'

This might not be the advantage you seem to think it is.

Good Job, keep it up Vuk.

Go Jeremic go! Put one UN body against another! Too bad you will be there for only one year, you could have destroyed the UN. Do as much damage as you can while you there. This useless organization.

Serbia was not a culprit in the least - Serbia was targeted by foreign powers who used old faultlines/separatists to break up Yugoslavia at the Serbs' expense. Too many Serbs lived in the set-to-be "independent" statelets and they were/are seen as an obstacle. The foreign powers, including the UN, worked to ethnically cleanse, kill, greatly weaken or neutralize them.
It is pretty much futile to be saying this at the UN though, although I know there are a least a few in the UN who do know truths of the war that are opposite of what the official propaganda was. UN soldiers did eyewitness the Muslims setting up and provoking bomb attacks and fights, they were involved in burying civilian Bosnian Serbs after their villages were raided, and they did actually see civilian Serbs being killed in the Medak Pocket and found mutilated and burned bodies of Serbs.

According to Jeremic:

"Things that will be said in this debate will become an official UN document and will be distributed to all international addresses,” he stressed.

"It remains recorded as an official document for those who will write the history tomorrow,” he said, adding that this would be Serbia’s chance to respond to Hague Tribunal’s message “that there is only one culprit and only one criminal side and that is the Serbian side.”

I am afraid this is going to turn out like the asking by Serbia, of the World Court, to rule on the Independence of Kosovo. It will only end up embarrassing Serbia once again.

Has it ever occurred to the inexperienced Jeremic that his and Serbia's strategies and ideas are flawed. Oh well, there is nothing like a mediocre mind that thinks he is onto something.

So sad. This guy is bad news for Serbia. The fact allow that there are people working behind the scenes trying to get him to drop it; is a solid warning sign. Serbs should be prepared to be embarrassed and more isolated than ever! This will only work to Croatia's advantage even more.
(Outsider, 29 December 2012 21:32)

Croats do not even make up 5 million people on the Balkans. Serbs, with their low birth rate and huge diaspora still have about twice as many people on the Balkans as the Croats do. You can't isolate the largest ethnic group in the post Yugoslav space. This is why the West is ever so eager for Serbia to 'negotiate'.

Stop acting like Serbia's opinion is irrelevant if the only thing you and the West talk about is....changing Serbia's opinion.

Ok, so he does not expect the majority of countries to agree with Serbia about the Hague, and yet he says it will be a document that will be there for people who write history. Is this not just like the ICJ where Serbia had the international community put in writing that Serbia was wrong?
As far as him winning the UNGA seat being a vote of confidence in Serbia. Traditionally the seat is unopposed, at first it was Lithuania that had put in for the seat and then Serbia bucked tradition and decided to compete. That forced the 2 countries to have to have a vote by UN membership. I am sure that now that the world has seen that this has been a ruse to only advance the Serbian agenda and not that of the international community the vote would be different if held today.

Ask the Palestinians how useful are statements in the UNGA.

Vuk every one knows that all roads lead to Belgrade Serbia and Serbia is the undisputed determiner in all aggression's. You are just making a lot of BS as usual hoping. The smell will throw people off but everyone knows where it comes from another epic Serb fail.

I wish Serbia would stop putting so much effort,time and money into the past and instead invest it in the future

You can see it if you, for example, look at the lists of the people killed in the ex-YU war and their ethnicity.
(Comm. Parrisson, 29 December 2012 18:24)

Just look at the list of people killed in Serbia-NATO war in 1999. and who is the main culprit according to the list?

Serbia will "prove" nothing. They will only perpetuate the Serbian "eternal victim" card. The problem is even those countries that are aligned with Serbia still do not portray them as the victims in the Y wars and nothing Serbia is going to say will change that.
Maybe the new national Anthem for Serbia should be the song that ironically became popular in the 1990's "Why is Everybody always Picking on Me"

"Ask the Palestinians how useful are statements in the UNGA.
(Danilo, 29 December 2012 20:07) "

Ask the people of Kosovo, too. For years there were Resolutions (not just statements) calling on Serbia to stop violating their civil and human rights. Most people remember how helpful that was.

Just say sorry, for the people, the region and work on reconciliation of all peoples then they would have no excuse.
you cant wash s**t with P**s

Just look at the list of people killed in Serbia-NATO war in 1999. and who is the main culprit according to the list?
(aaayyy, 30 December 2012 18:30)

http://www.icty.org/x/cases/milutinovic/tjug/en/090226summary.pdf

(Comm. Parrisson, 29 December 2012 18:24)

Agreed. Lots of evidence to suggest that Serbs were the main culprits -- but not the only ones. I'd rate the Croats as pretty culpable, too, with the essential difference being that they were interested in less territory. But anyway, anyone who thinks otherwise ought to spend time on research. If Hague tribunal transcripts, video footage and exhibits can't convince you, spend a few hours watching videos online. There, you can find loads of interviews and documentaries featuring all of our favorite Balkan superstars. The best ones are those from the late 1980s and early 1990s. Listen to guys like Jovic, Martic, Babic, Solevic, Bulatovic, Kucan and Mesic...to stories of the deals cut between Milosevic and Tudjman, or Karadzic and Boban. Hear what Seselj has to say about his adventures in Croatia and Bosnia. Watch as Mladic leads JNA bombardments of Croatian villages in Krajina standing in the way of a Serbian takeover. Listen to Djukanovic talk about sending Montenegrins up to Dubrovnik. Check out the JNA assault on Sarajevo in May 1992, or the murder and expulsion of Muslim civilians in Zvornik right around the same time (Seselj has a few things to say about his involvement there). Pay attention to the observations made by international negotiators and UN officers struggling to get the situation under control as Yugoslavia unravelled. Jeremic thinks the history has yet to be written? He's wrong.

His endeavour is commendable but way too late. Serbia should have done that 20 years ago when the whole world hadn't decided that Serbians were the black sheep of the Balkans. Back then they should have invested some money in building public relations and getting their views heard in the West like the Croats and the Bosniaks did. But the Serbs thought that those things were of no importance and that military superiority was the only thing that mattered. So now what do they hope to achieve? Make people realize that the Hague Tribunal is partial and that it only punishes Serbs and acquits all non Serbs? That the western media played a filthy role by transmitting propaganda and targetting the Serbs as the only culprits of the yugoslav wars? I think people with mind and logic have already come to those conclusions while the rest of the people just don't care and will continue to eat whatever the media feed them. What's been done has been done and now Serbia should focus to the future and make sure that no more defeats will come its way.

I think Albanians are the only culprit for any war and anything bad that happens in the Balkans (huge sarcasm).
That's what the history books teach in Serbia.
Hence, let's hate Albanians, kill all of them and send them to where they came from, like south Africa, south pole, north pole or Vanuatu.

Now this is serious:
People, wake up. Move on.

What's wrong with the initiative of the founder (i.e. UN) to consider the outcome of work of the Coart appointed by it.
As I understood it wouldn't be the discussion about the Hague Tribunal and Serbia but about a practice to appoint separate courts that could be instructed and guided by neglecting the interanional traeties.
Mr. Jeremic has very clearly defined the purpose of the conference but it seems that he is intentionally provoked to comment Hague tribunal - Serbia's issues in order to neglect the significance of the issue he has bravely initiated.

kasno Marko

shizus leave it be man i cant listen to u any longer. talk about something else. b92 write about something else blah blah blah

As UNGA president he may have the luxury of setting an agenda but he does not have the power to unilaterally determine what the countries of the world are to agree to.
Can you imagine a resolution from the UNGA coming forth that says the majority of the world believes the Hague Tribunal was fair and just and the first signature being that of the former Serbian Foreign Minister?
Most people view a court system as just with the exception of those found guilty.

As UNGA president he may have the luxury of setting an agenda but he does not have the power to unilaterally determine what the countries of the world are to agree to.
(a New Day, 30 December 2012 14:23)

That's what you think but from Vuk's point of view he does think that he can speak on behalf of other countries despite having been proved wrong over and over and over again about his interpretation of other countries' thoughts...

Here is an excellent example of Vuk speaking for another country:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=12&dd=13&nav_id=77773

"UNGA President Vuk Jeremić is convinced that a public debate on the Hague Tribunal will show that Serbia is not the only culprit in wars in ex-Yugoslavia"

Oh, if that is the purpose of this debate than it is an effort for nothing and a waste of taxpayers' money. The Hague Tribunal has ALREADY proved beyond reasonable doubt that Serbs are not the only culprit in wars in ex-Yugoslavia...

P.S. I replaced "Serbia" with "Serbs" because I'm sure it was a lapsus on Vuk's part since the the Hague Tribunal does not have jurisdiction to convict states but only individuals (unless, of course, Vuk was referring to the ICJ).