Croatia has to fulfill its obligations. Croatia must return the property to Serbia and Serbian citizens. This is an obligation that Croatia took on that 'Serbia will insist.
What an amazing people you Shqiptares are. You were in Kosovo in the 6/7 century and even before that,. But you haven’t built or left o single monument that dates back to that time. In fact there is absolutely nothing to confirm that – simply amazing you S……
(sj, 29 December 2012 11:40)
So all Albanians need to do is to become followers of the Orthodox Church in Kosovo and that immediately will provide evidence that Albanians were in Kosovo since the 6-7th century. sj, I've said over and over again you are the best friend of Albanians in these forums and have excellent ideas for them so easy to implement.
take a look at some peace loving, democratic and religously tolerant Albanians in Kosovo. For this event, there was not even a single apology from the state of "Kosovo".
This looks like religious tolerance to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZP0ExmJ9a0
Let's talk about unholy now..... let's talk about burnt down mosques...
Ps. Did I mention Slavs invaded Kosova in the 6/7 century when Shqiptares were already the permanent inhabitants..........
(azir, 28 December 2012 21:34)
What an amazing people you Shqiptares are. You were in Kosovo in the 6/7 century and even before that,. But you haven’t built or left o single monument that dates back to that time. In fact there is absolutely nothing to confirm that – simply amazing you S……
"Ps. Did I mention Slavs invaded Kosova in the 6/7 century when Shqiptares were already the permanent inhabitants.........."
"Why do you think Nato bombed Serbia"
azir
You are one strange fellow! You respond to my post twice without even reading it. Ps. Did I mention when serbs came to the balkans there was nobody there? If somebody would be there would be signs and findings of this made up illyrian culture, however there is nothing at all to prove your point. Why is everyone talking about preserving the serbian culture in Kosovo and not the albanian one? Because you don't have any. Not even Albania belongs to you. Even that is land taken from the greeks. Ancient Rome and Greece left their historical print on Albania and you just came and took over. Just like Kosovo.
And why do I think Nato bombed Serbia. Read my original post again to get the answer to that. If you can read that is.
@azir
Lol
Check Caucasian Albania...
In short Arabs conquer the Caucasus, in the 10 C they conquer Sicily and bring the people of the Caucasus and later the Byzantines reconquer Sicily and bring those people to the Balkans ---> Schiptares.
Slavs were in the Balkans from when the first people moved into Europe!
I include Illyrians as Slavs.
Why would Serbs themselves call their language Illyrian in bosnia 18/19th C
Why did Germans/French/Venetians etc call the Serbian language Illyrian?
Only northern Albania was part of Illyria, the central part was Macedonian and the southern part was of Epirus. And there lies Shkoder (north)a former Serbian capital..
In the 4 Turkish vilayets you were not even a majority: around 50% or less and that was 100 years ago.
The Turkish census of 1455 showed 98% Serbs in Kosovo.
Yes Serbia did not exist 1500 years ago because it was part of the Roman empire.
But before yea Herodotus called Slavs: Trachians
Same people but call themselves different today we have that too: Poles/Russians/Czechs etc.
That Slavs came in the 6th/7th C is BS!
Because this theory says that Slavs suddenly showed up in Germany/Central Europe/Balkans and Russia in the 6th/7th C and before that they lived somewhere in Belarus..
If you like greater Germany theories or something then this theory is good otherwise no!
We Slavs live on the lands where our ancestors lived 1000/2000/3000/4000 years ago!!
@Mike C...You are wrong in that UCK was supported by America and a proud NATO ally.
Also majority of civilian murdered by Serb forces were women and children.
For example when Army tanks and other heavy artillery was used to attack in the Adem Jashari compound majority or vicitims were once again elderly,women and children.
West is blaming the serbs to justify the theft of Kosovo from the serbia. The only ones serb forces killed in Kosovo were members of the terrorists organisation uck. Even the americans branded them terrorists.
(MikeC, 28 December 2012 19:21)
haha, show us some official links on this one. I was there when some congressmen lobbing for Serbia tried that charade, but to no avail.
And many more organization that documented Serb criminality in Kosova.
Azir
West is blaming the serbs to justify the theft of Kosovo from the serbia. The only ones serb forces killed in Kosovo were members of the terrorists organisation uck. Even the americans branded them terrorists.
Cooperation is two way process. Serbian authorities have already sent the massage of their wish to cooperate, Croatian artists are very welcome to Serbia, but Serbs are not even welcome to spend money as tourists. Now it's your turn, dear neighbors.
" think Kosovo is not such a big issue economically. Kosovo is not an economic factor in the region. Nor is Kosovo a high interest to Serbia economically. The relationship between Serbs and Kosovo is analogous to Jews and the Holy Land. However, the true state of events more closely resembles the relationship between Orthodox Christians and Constantinople, today's Istanbul, i.e. the Holy Land in the hands of the enemy."
This whole issue between Kosova and Serbia is an economic one. Serbia makes an absolute killing in Kosovo from its exports... if the Kosovan market were to be shut to Serbia today I can guarantee you that there would be havoc and civil war in Serbia tomorrow! Many people would lose their jobs and many factories (think food produtcs, construction materials etc) would lose their clients and lifelines.
"the point is, good relations with neighbors who play signigicant economic roles in the region such as Croatia and Slovenia can commence only when economic borders are relaxed between them and Serbia. So far Serbia is in an economic state where it is importing goods from these two neighbors while Serbian imported goods are forbidden in both countries. "
(Avi, 28 December 2012 13:46)
Some more of these 'facts' presented by Avi. So: Imports from Serbia are forbidden in Croatia and Slovenia? Interesting. Strange that Serbia exports goods worth of some 100 millions to these two countries
here's a nice map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/2009SerbianExports.PNG
And if you look closely, you will even see that Slovenia is not a neighbor country of Serbia, and you see which countries are most important for Serbian exports
The majority of countries in the world, 98 to be precise, recognize Kosova as an independent state and considers Serbia's claims in Kosova as illegitimate, illegal, undemocratic and aggressive.
I think Kosovo is not such a big issue economically. Kosovo is not an economic factor in the region. Nor is Kosovo a high interest to Serbia economically. The relationship between Serbs and Kosovo is analogous to Jews and the Holy Land. However, the true state of events more closely resembles the relationship between Orthodox Christians and Constantinople, today's Istanbul, i.e. the Holy Land in the hands of the enemy. But thats not the point here... the point is, good relations with neighbors who play signigicant economic roles in the region such as Croatia and Slovenia can commence only when economic borders are relaxed between them and Serbia. So far Serbia is in an economic state where it is importing goods from these two neighbors while Serbian imported goods are forbidden in both countries. This is economically parasitic if you ask me. On the second hand, Slovenia even bought trademark rights on a very Serbian product: Slivovitz, or as they call it in the Balkans: rakia. Slovenians historically i.e. don't have any rakia manufacturing tradition. In Serbia every household distills its own stash. Its a tradition that never died and still exists today. Ask any slovenian if he makes his own brandy. I doubt that Slovenia's upshot EU brown nose laws would allow for such a thing.
“very wide and principled support of the majority of the countries in the world...” He's refering to Kosovo's independence here.
Well let's see here Mr Foreign Minister... how about looking at this website for starters?
http://www.kosovothanksyou.com/
The word 'majority' is being used willy nilly here!
I think Kosovo is not such a big issue economically. Kosovo is not an economic factor in the region. Nor is Kosovo a high interest to Serbia economically. The relationship between Serbs and Kosovo is analogous to Jews and the Holy Land. However, the true state of events more closely resembles the relationship between Orthodox Christians and Constantinople, today's Istanbul, i.e. the Holy Land in the hands of the enemy. But thats not the point here... the point is, good relations with neighbors who play signigicant economic roles in the region such as Croatia and Slovenia can commence only when economic borders are relaxed between them and Serbia. So far Serbia is in an economic state where it is importing goods from these two neighbors while Serbian imported goods are forbidden in both countries. This is economically parasitic if you ask me. On the second hand, Slovenia even bought trademark rights on a very Serbian product: Slivovitz, or as they call it in the Balkans: rakia. Slovenians historically i.e. don't have any rakia manufacturing tradition. In Serbia every household distills its own stash. Its a tradition that never died and still exists today. Ask any slovenian if he makes his own brandy. I doubt that Slovenia's upshot EU brown nose laws would allow for such a thing.
The majority of countries in the world, 98 to be precise, recognize Kosova as an independent state and considers Serbia's claims in Kosova as illegitimate, illegal, undemocratic and aggressive.
And many more organization that documented Serb criminality in Kosova.
Azir
West is blaming the serbs to justify the theft of Kosovo from the serbia. The only ones serb forces killed in Kosovo were members of the terrorists organisation uck. Even the americans branded them terrorists.
take a look at some peace loving, democratic and religously tolerant Albanians in Kosovo. For this event, there was not even a single apology from the state of "Kosovo".
This looks like religious tolerance to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZP0ExmJ9a0
Let's talk about unholy now..... let's talk about burnt down mosques...
“very wide and principled support of the majority of the countries in the world...” He's refering to Kosovo's independence here.
Well let's see here Mr Foreign Minister... how about looking at this website for starters?
http://www.kosovothanksyou.com/
The word 'majority' is being used willy nilly here!
Cooperation is two way process. Serbian authorities have already sent the massage of their wish to cooperate, Croatian artists are very welcome to Serbia, but Serbs are not even welcome to spend money as tourists. Now it's your turn, dear neighbors.
West is blaming the serbs to justify the theft of Kosovo from the serbia. The only ones serb forces killed in Kosovo were members of the terrorists organisation uck. Even the americans branded them terrorists.
(MikeC, 28 December 2012 19:21)
haha, show us some official links on this one. I was there when some congressmen lobbing for Serbia tried that charade, but to no avail.
"Ps. Did I mention Slavs invaded Kosova in the 6/7 century when Shqiptares were already the permanent inhabitants.........."
"Why do you think Nato bombed Serbia"
azir
You are one strange fellow! You respond to my post twice without even reading it. Ps. Did I mention when serbs came to the balkans there was nobody there? If somebody would be there would be signs and findings of this made up illyrian culture, however there is nothing at all to prove your point. Why is everyone talking about preserving the serbian culture in Kosovo and not the albanian one? Because you don't have any. Not even Albania belongs to you. Even that is land taken from the greeks. Ancient Rome and Greece left their historical print on Albania and you just came and took over. Just like Kosovo.
And why do I think Nato bombed Serbia. Read my original post again to get the answer to that. If you can read that is.
Ps. Did I mention Slavs invaded Kosova in the 6/7 century when Shqiptares were already the permanent inhabitants..........
(azir, 28 December 2012 21:34)
What an amazing people you Shqiptares are. You were in Kosovo in the 6/7 century and even before that,. But you haven’t built or left o single monument that dates back to that time. In fact there is absolutely nothing to confirm that – simply amazing you S……
"the point is, good relations with neighbors who play signigicant economic roles in the region such as Croatia and Slovenia can commence only when economic borders are relaxed between them and Serbia. So far Serbia is in an economic state where it is importing goods from these two neighbors while Serbian imported goods are forbidden in both countries. "
(Avi, 28 December 2012 13:46)
Some more of these 'facts' presented by Avi. So: Imports from Serbia are forbidden in Croatia and Slovenia? Interesting. Strange that Serbia exports goods worth of some 100 millions to these two countries
here's a nice map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/2009SerbianExports.PNG
And if you look closely, you will even see that Slovenia is not a neighbor country of Serbia, and you see which countries are most important for Serbian exports
" think Kosovo is not such a big issue economically. Kosovo is not an economic factor in the region. Nor is Kosovo a high interest to Serbia economically. The relationship between Serbs and Kosovo is analogous to Jews and the Holy Land. However, the true state of events more closely resembles the relationship between Orthodox Christians and Constantinople, today's Istanbul, i.e. the Holy Land in the hands of the enemy."
This whole issue between Kosova and Serbia is an economic one. Serbia makes an absolute killing in Kosovo from its exports... if the Kosovan market were to be shut to Serbia today I can guarantee you that there would be havoc and civil war in Serbia tomorrow! Many people would lose their jobs and many factories (think food produtcs, construction materials etc) would lose their clients and lifelines.
@azir
Lol
Check Caucasian Albania...
In short Arabs conquer the Caucasus, in the 10 C they conquer Sicily and bring the people of the Caucasus and later the Byzantines reconquer Sicily and bring those people to the Balkans ---> Schiptares.
Slavs were in the Balkans from when the first people moved into Europe!
I include Illyrians as Slavs.
Why would Serbs themselves call their language Illyrian in bosnia 18/19th C
Why did Germans/French/Venetians etc call the Serbian language Illyrian?
Only northern Albania was part of Illyria, the central part was Macedonian and the southern part was of Epirus. And there lies Shkoder (north)a former Serbian capital..
In the 4 Turkish vilayets you were not even a majority: around 50% or less and that was 100 years ago.
The Turkish census of 1455 showed 98% Serbs in Kosovo.
Yes Serbia did not exist 1500 years ago because it was part of the Roman empire.
But before yea Herodotus called Slavs: Trachians
Same people but call themselves different today we have that too: Poles/Russians/Czechs etc.
That Slavs came in the 6th/7th C is BS!
Because this theory says that Slavs suddenly showed up in Germany/Central Europe/Balkans and Russia in the 6th/7th C and before that they lived somewhere in Belarus..
If you like greater Germany theories or something then this theory is good otherwise no!
We Slavs live on the lands where our ancestors lived 1000/2000/3000/4000 years ago!!
@Mike C...You are wrong in that UCK was supported by America and a proud NATO ally.
Also majority of civilian murdered by Serb forces were women and children.
For example when Army tanks and other heavy artillery was used to attack in the Adem Jashari compound majority or vicitims were once again elderly,women and children.
Croatia has to fulfill its obligations. Croatia must return the property to Serbia and Serbian citizens. This is an obligation that Croatia took on that 'Serbia will insist.
What an amazing people you Shqiptares are. You were in Kosovo in the 6/7 century and even before that,. But you haven’t built or left o single monument that dates back to that time. In fact there is absolutely nothing to confirm that – simply amazing you S……
(sj, 29 December 2012 11:40)
So all Albanians need to do is to become followers of the Orthodox Church in Kosovo and that immediately will provide evidence that Albanians were in Kosovo since the 6-7th century. sj, I've said over and over again you are the best friend of Albanians in these forums and have excellent ideas for them so easy to implement.
The majority of countries in the world, 98 to be precise, recognize Kosova as an independent state and considers Serbia's claims in Kosova as illegitimate, illegal, undemocratic and aggressive.
“very wide and principled support of the majority of the countries in the world...” He's refering to Kosovo's independence here.
Well let's see here Mr Foreign Minister... how about looking at this website for starters?
http://www.kosovothanksyou.com/
The word 'majority' is being used willy nilly here!
West is blaming the serbs to justify the theft of Kosovo from the serbia. The only ones serb forces killed in Kosovo were members of the terrorists organisation uck. Even the americans branded them terrorists.
(MikeC, 28 December 2012 19:21)
haha, show us some official links on this one. I was there when some congressmen lobbing for Serbia tried that charade, but to no avail.
" think Kosovo is not such a big issue economically. Kosovo is not an economic factor in the region. Nor is Kosovo a high interest to Serbia economically. The relationship between Serbs and Kosovo is analogous to Jews and the Holy Land. However, the true state of events more closely resembles the relationship between Orthodox Christians and Constantinople, today's Istanbul, i.e. the Holy Land in the hands of the enemy."
This whole issue between Kosova and Serbia is an economic one. Serbia makes an absolute killing in Kosovo from its exports... if the Kosovan market were to be shut to Serbia today I can guarantee you that there would be havoc and civil war in Serbia tomorrow! Many people would lose their jobs and many factories (think food produtcs, construction materials etc) would lose their clients and lifelines.
And many more organization that documented Serb criminality in Kosova.
Azir
West is blaming the serbs to justify the theft of Kosovo from the serbia. The only ones serb forces killed in Kosovo were members of the terrorists organisation uck. Even the americans branded them terrorists.
@Mike C...You are wrong in that UCK was supported by America and a proud NATO ally.
Also majority of civilian murdered by Serb forces were women and children.
For example when Army tanks and other heavy artillery was used to attack in the Adem Jashari compound majority or vicitims were once again elderly,women and children.
I think Kosovo is not such a big issue economically. Kosovo is not an economic factor in the region. Nor is Kosovo a high interest to Serbia economically. The relationship between Serbs and Kosovo is analogous to Jews and the Holy Land. However, the true state of events more closely resembles the relationship between Orthodox Christians and Constantinople, today's Istanbul, i.e. the Holy Land in the hands of the enemy. But thats not the point here... the point is, good relations with neighbors who play signigicant economic roles in the region such as Croatia and Slovenia can commence only when economic borders are relaxed between them and Serbia. So far Serbia is in an economic state where it is importing goods from these two neighbors while Serbian imported goods are forbidden in both countries. This is economically parasitic if you ask me. On the second hand, Slovenia even bought trademark rights on a very Serbian product: Slivovitz, or as they call it in the Balkans: rakia. Slovenians historically i.e. don't have any rakia manufacturing tradition. In Serbia every household distills its own stash. Its a tradition that never died and still exists today. Ask any slovenian if he makes his own brandy. I doubt that Slovenia's upshot EU brown nose laws would allow for such a thing.
take a look at some peace loving, democratic and religously tolerant Albanians in Kosovo. For this event, there was not even a single apology from the state of "Kosovo".
This looks like religious tolerance to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZP0ExmJ9a0
Let's talk about unholy now..... let's talk about burnt down mosques...
"the point is, good relations with neighbors who play signigicant economic roles in the region such as Croatia and Slovenia can commence only when economic borders are relaxed between them and Serbia. So far Serbia is in an economic state where it is importing goods from these two neighbors while Serbian imported goods are forbidden in both countries. "
(Avi, 28 December 2012 13:46)
Some more of these 'facts' presented by Avi. So: Imports from Serbia are forbidden in Croatia and Slovenia? Interesting. Strange that Serbia exports goods worth of some 100 millions to these two countries
here's a nice map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/2009SerbianExports.PNG
And if you look closely, you will even see that Slovenia is not a neighbor country of Serbia, and you see which countries are most important for Serbian exports
Cooperation is two way process. Serbian authorities have already sent the massage of their wish to cooperate, Croatian artists are very welcome to Serbia, but Serbs are not even welcome to spend money as tourists. Now it's your turn, dear neighbors.
"Ps. Did I mention Slavs invaded Kosova in the 6/7 century when Shqiptares were already the permanent inhabitants.........."
"Why do you think Nato bombed Serbia"
azir
You are one strange fellow! You respond to my post twice without even reading it. Ps. Did I mention when serbs came to the balkans there was nobody there? If somebody would be there would be signs and findings of this made up illyrian culture, however there is nothing at all to prove your point. Why is everyone talking about preserving the serbian culture in Kosovo and not the albanian one? Because you don't have any. Not even Albania belongs to you. Even that is land taken from the greeks. Ancient Rome and Greece left their historical print on Albania and you just came and took over. Just like Kosovo.
And why do I think Nato bombed Serbia. Read my original post again to get the answer to that. If you can read that is.
Ps. Did I mention Slavs invaded Kosova in the 6/7 century when Shqiptares were already the permanent inhabitants..........
(azir, 28 December 2012 21:34)
What an amazing people you Shqiptares are. You were in Kosovo in the 6/7 century and even before that,. But you haven’t built or left o single monument that dates back to that time. In fact there is absolutely nothing to confirm that – simply amazing you S……
Croatia has to fulfill its obligations. Croatia must return the property to Serbia and Serbian citizens. This is an obligation that Croatia took on that 'Serbia will insist.
@azir
Lol
Check Caucasian Albania...
In short Arabs conquer the Caucasus, in the 10 C they conquer Sicily and bring the people of the Caucasus and later the Byzantines reconquer Sicily and bring those people to the Balkans ---> Schiptares.
Slavs were in the Balkans from when the first people moved into Europe!
I include Illyrians as Slavs.
Why would Serbs themselves call their language Illyrian in bosnia 18/19th C
Why did Germans/French/Venetians etc call the Serbian language Illyrian?
Only northern Albania was part of Illyria, the central part was Macedonian and the southern part was of Epirus. And there lies Shkoder (north)a former Serbian capital..
In the 4 Turkish vilayets you were not even a majority: around 50% or less and that was 100 years ago.
The Turkish census of 1455 showed 98% Serbs in Kosovo.
Yes Serbia did not exist 1500 years ago because it was part of the Roman empire.
But before yea Herodotus called Slavs: Trachians
Same people but call themselves different today we have that too: Poles/Russians/Czechs etc.
That Slavs came in the 6th/7th C is BS!
Because this theory says that Slavs suddenly showed up in Germany/Central Europe/Balkans and Russia in the 6th/7th C and before that they lived somewhere in Belarus..
If you like greater Germany theories or something then this theory is good otherwise no!
We Slavs live on the lands where our ancestors lived 1000/2000/3000/4000 years ago!!
What an amazing people you Shqiptares are. You were in Kosovo in the 6/7 century and even before that,. But you haven’t built or left o single monument that dates back to that time. In fact there is absolutely nothing to confirm that – simply amazing you S……
(sj, 29 December 2012 11:40)
So all Albanians need to do is to become followers of the Orthodox Church in Kosovo and that immediately will provide evidence that Albanians were in Kosovo since the 6-7th century. sj, I've said over and over again you are the best friend of Albanians in these forums and have excellent ideas for them so easy to implement.
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