“Intl. community must respect reality in Kosovo”

Serbia should recognise the reality on the ground. When Serbia does that, then she might be taken seriously when telling others to accept reality. This is why the International community will reject this so-called platform for Kosovo.

What Serbia recognizes should be no business of the K. Albanians. The reality is Serbia is not trying to infringe on your society and seeks no part in governing your lives. This means you can dictate your own future, manage your own selves and if you get 'recognition's' then so be it, but you wont get one from the Serbian people and that includes the Serbs living in Kosovo i Metohija.

Your entire demeanor and tone with the Serbian people is very aggressive and you can tell by those who comment here that the support for violence is high with many Albanians. What you are telling Serbs and the state of Serbia is "your existence from Kosovo i Metohija must be wiped off completely and unless you agree we will continue to violently assault the Serbs who chose to stay".

This is not a policy of peace and its not going to work. Furthermore, its not a policy the West will forever uphold just because you want them too. Other parts of the world are becoming much more geo-politically important than the Balkans which is probably why they are pushing for a "peace agreement" between Serbs and Albanians.

Give peace a chance......or be so delusional and fanatically tied to greater Albania that the countries you are trying to tear apart (Serbia, FYR Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece) are forced to collectively deal with the separatist problem and deport all criminals back to Albania.

i love that, 'Serb in Kosovo', who of course make up less than 10% of the whole Kosova population. yes, its their voice that must be heard, not that of the overwhelming majority. the international community DOES respect the reality in Kosova, its Serbia that is still stuck in 90's mode

This is the right stance. I don't think that the Albanians are going to like it, but that is not what is important.

For a long time the international community has been dictating to Serbia, but Serbia has needed to find a stance so that it can be negotiated with fairly. This is the stance which Serbia can use to insist on being treated with proper respect by the international community.

Serbia must not back down on this.

Here is the reality in Kosovo: Albanians continue to attack Serbs civillians and the international community led by our own compassionate Hiliary Clinton, turns a blind eye to the violence because to do anything about it would be to admit that the west made a mistake and took sides in a civil war. As the international community continues to lose interest in Kosovo and reduces the size of their troops there, the Albanians will be forced to manage their own affairs. And we all know what a debacle that will be. Kosovo Albanians are good at a few things: drug running, organ harvesting and attacking innocent civillians. My god, they couldn't even issue license plates properly in Kosovo. How are they going to run a country? And don't expect any help from their mother country, Albania which continues to be the most backward place in all of Europe. Albanians better hope that the international community stays in Kosovo forever, but we know that won't happen and then Kosovo will implode.

Serbia should recognise the reality on the ground. When Serbia does that, then she might be taken seriously when telling others to accept reality. This is why the International community will reject this so-called platform for Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 27 December 2012 11:09)

Why must Serbia recognize your reality? If that reality you are speaking is as you would say "Kosovo is an independent state" then why is it a must for Serbia to accept this view? For example, nobody is arm twisting South Korea to recognize an independent North, because what is the point? Both countries are independent, sovereign and universally recognized. There exists no point for the sides to recognize each other.

If the Kosovo issue is already settled and Serbia's position is not relevant then Serbia would not have been blackmailed into 'negotiations' with terrorists.

But the undeniable fact that your awkward self cannot get around is that apart from the West which physically imposes its will in Kosovo i Metohija, the biggest legal actor in the Holy Christian Province is and always will be Serbia.

And if you think a partially recognized, impoverished and drug induced territory is a sovereign and independent country...then I myself will pay for the shrink you need to see.

(Ari Gold, 27 December 2012 13:01)

Because my reality is shared by EVERY country in the world, even Russia and Serbia. They know and accept that Kosovo is a fully functioning state south of the Ibar river, they just don't officially recognise Kosovo as they dispute the legality of an independent Kosovo.

Why isn't there mutual recognition between the two Koreas? Because the both claim to be the sole legitimate Korea, which is a very different scenario between Kosovo and Serbia. And to be honest it doesn't matter if Serbia recognises Kosovo or not because Kosovo is a functioning state regardless of Serbia's recognition. If Serbia recognised Kosovo today, nothing would change, Kosovo would still be a functioning state as it was yesterday and the day before that and the day before that ect.

Serbia's position regarding Kosovo isn't on how things are, it is on how things SHOULD be.

And like I said, it doesn't matter if Serbia recognises Kosovo or not because it doesn't change anything, I just think it is rather hypocritical when someone who officially refuses to accept something which blatantly exists talks about "accepting reality".

Is he talking to himself? If anybody should respect and recognize the reality on the ground it is Serbia.... Another one of those weird projections serb politicians use all the time... Blaming things on others which actually should be done by them ....

Vulin, Serbia must, and will respect the reality in Kosova!
The Kosovar government, with close consultations with its international partners, are the ones that decide on Kosovar policies!
Serbia hasn't, and will never again have the ability to decide Kosovar policy! So go back to the drawing board, and do some more work on your platform, little buddy!

More hypocritical speech from notorious HYPOCRITES.

Serbs want "the International Community to respect reality and facts on the ground" and yet Serbia continues to refuse recognition of international recognized KOSOVA.
(98 Nations of the World have done so and more to come)

Then the Serbs claim to " NOT DIVIDE KOSOVAR SERBS" BUT WHY IS IT THAT THEY DEMAND ONLY A SPECIAL ENTITY,STATUS AND AUTONOMY FOR NORTHERN KOSOVAR-SERBS AND NOT SOUTHERN KOSOVAR-SERBS?

Vulin, Serbia must, and will respect the reality in Kosova!
The Kosovar government, with close consultations with its international partners, are the ones that decide on Kosovar policies!
Serbia hasn't, and will never again have the ability to decide Kosovar policy! So go back to the drawing board, and do some more work on your platform, little buddy!
(Rocky, 27 December 2012 13:15)
Sorry Rocky, that's not the way the world works. Kosovo is a puppet state with absolutely no power. Your role is to obey as commanded. You cannot even go to the bathroom without getting the US's permission. Your funny statement is a joke. Serbia will have power to make its own decisions over Kosovo. As we can already see, the North is having pull on what goes on, and there doesn't seem to be anything the West (your lords) are willing to do about it. I'll recall your foolish statements as the events move forward, and plenty of them being in Serbia's favor.

Why must Serbia recognize your reality? If that reality you are speaking is as you would say "Kosovo is an independent state" then why is it a must for Serbia to accept this view? For example, nobody is arm twisting South Korea to recognize an independent North, because what is the point? Both countries are independent, sovereign and universally recognized. There exists no point for the sides to recognize each other.

If the Kosovo issue is already settled and Serbia's position is not relevant then Serbia would not have been blackmailed into 'negotiations' with terrorists.

But the undeniable fact that your awkward self cannot get around is that apart from the West which physically imposes its will in Kosovo i Metohija, the biggest legal actor in the Holy Christian Province is and always will be Serbia.
(Ari Gold, 27 December 2012 13:01)

Because, Ari! Because the international community can, demand that of Serbia! You ever hear of the Copenhagen criteria genius? It was adopted so that future EU members would have something to adhere to, genius! It clearly states that any potential member MUST, establish good neighborly relations with all surrounding country's that one borders! In Serbia's case, this would include Kosova, genius! In the Asian peninsula there exists no Copenhagen criteria, genius! And Kosova still to this day has Christians Albanians, genius! Both Roman Catholics & orthodox, I am one of them, genius! Still trying to play the Muslim card?

Correct! Kosovo achieved a lot in the past decade. The main achievement was becoming Europe's main hub for drug distribution. So, amongst others, the Drenica clan (with its leader Thaci) was prospering.
(Comm. Parrisso, 27 December 2012 16:58)

Most illegal drugs in Europe originate from West Africa (and to a lesser extend South America) and they end up in Western Europe where people have money to buy drugs. That is where all the money is made. Drugs is all a business remember.

It is nonsense and ludicrous to suggest that the majority of these drugs go anywhere near Eastern Europe, never mind Kosovo.

There is no logical sense for Kosovo to be a drugs distribution hub, it is geographically in the wrong place. You'd have to go far far out of your way to have drugs going to Europe via Kosovo. Lot and lots of money would be wasted if drugs were distributed into Europe via Kosovo. And as I said before, drugs is a business. It'd be really bad business to have drugs distributed to Europe via Kosovo.

It is daft to think that drugs originating from West Africa go to Kosovo before ending up in places like the UK, France, Netherlands and Germany (where the majority of European drug users are). It'd be madness!

I actually think your comment is rather funny because you quite clearly believe this BS you've been told.

You've been conned, you're just another deluded victim of this anti-Kosovo propaganda.

Well, the international community has been demanding respect for the "reality on the ground" for years, so now they must truly live up to what they desire. Let's see if they can deal with the reality on the ground. It appears that Serbs are dealing with it.

"We expect the international community to understand and accept that Serbs in Kosovo recognize only one state and will not recognize another," Vulin told reporters while visiting the village of Vrbovac. "

We expect the international community to understand and accept that albanians in kosova recognize only one state and will not recognize another. Albanians told the world in the 90's and 80's

Sorry Rocky, that's not the way the world works. Kosovo is a puppet state with absolutely no power. Your role is to obey as commanded. You cannot even go to the bathroom without getting the US's permission. Your funny statement is a joke. Serbia will have power to make its own decisions over Kosovo. As we can already see, the North is having pull on what goes on, and there doesn't seem to be anything the West (your lords) are willing to do about it. I'll recall your foolish statements as the events move forward, and plenty of them being in Serbia's favor.
(Daniel, 27 December 2012 13:59)

It's been working in Kosova for the past 13 years, bud! And as for the USA being a master? Well the answer to that is a big YES, they more then welcomed to be master in our country for infinity! But Serbia will never be master in Kosova again, and that in itself is worth everything! How u like that Einstein? Hell yes, we'll be the USA's trigger... Any day!

Because, Ari! Because the international community can, demand that of Serbia! You ever hear of the Copenhagen criteria genius? It was adopted so that future EU members would have something to adhere to, genius! It clearly states that any potential member MUST, establish good neighborly relations with all surrounding country's that one borders! In Serbia's case, this would include Kosova, genius! In the Asian peninsula there exists no Copenhagen criteria, genius! And Kosova still to this day has Christians Albanians, genius! Both Roman Catholics & orthodox, I am one of them, genius! Still trying to play the Muslim card?
(Rocky, 27 December 2012 14:13)
The only problem Rocky!!! (as you seem to like exclamation points) is that KosovO (not A) is NOT A COUNTRY. That is REALITY. Once ALL, and I mean ALLLLLLL countries in the world recognize KosovO's existence as an independent state, then Serbia should recognize it as well. Unfortunately, that's only a pipe dream. Go back to sleep and keep dreaming.

"It's been working in Kosova for the past 13 years, bud! "
(Rocky, 27 December 2012 14:33)

Correct! Kosovo achieved a lot in the past decade. The main achievement was becoming Europe's main hub for drug distribution. So, amongst others, the Drenica clan (with its leader Thaci) was prospering.

(Rocky, 27 December 2012 14:13)

Yea seriously, why do you talk with so many exclamation points and caps lock. Are you that insecure that we wont read your shi**y texts that you have to try to make it stand out as much as possible? I know you secretly love us, don't worry old boy, we're listening.

But your attitude is exactly why the Albanians will come out on bottom, yet again. You are willing to have the USA run the show- fine because it suits your interests it makes sense. But instead of 'independently' turning Kosovo i Metohija into an occupation that can stand on its own legs and not be 'dependent' off another power, you are willing to use your resources to burn Churches, rape women and extract organs instead.

Because you are under the illusion that the USA will always be there. But answer your self this, who cares more about Kosovo i Metohija? Serbs or the USA? Surely not the Serbian gov't, but the Serbian people absolutely care about Kosovo i Metohija more than America's gov't which if you follow trends, we see its interest in the region waning.

Kosovo i Metohija will always be some far away geo political interest that had its time in the 90s but now is not nearly as important. Especially since most Americans don't know or care about you.

However Beograd will always be a 6 hour drive from Pristina. Dogodine u Prizrenu ;)

(Ian, UK, 27 December 2012 15:12)

You're delusional and you didn't answer my question. Why, if Serbia's position regarding Kosovo i Metohija is somehow irrelevant because as you say Kosovo i Metohija is a universally recognized state, then why is Serbia's opinion on the matter so important? Why does Serbia, as you say, "need to accept the reality that Kosovo is independent"??

? You can't answer that can you? No because your a fringe lunatic in UK society and since nobody likes you there, you come on here for some cyber Albanian friends because maybe they'll accept you.

And every country in the world recognizes that Kosovo i Metohija is independent? Wow, that is more stupid than saying most drugs come from West Africa as you did in a previous post. You really are not that bright of a person or you troll on purpose. But if respect from the hyenas is all you seek then congratulations.

In fact even the official number of 'recognition's' is becoming an increasingly taboo subject as the Albanians have lied time and again where that number is currently at.

But Ian is the ahead of the curb liberal. He knows that every country recognizes Kosovo independence even if they've never said it. Just like he knows NATO will only leave Kosovo i Metohija when "Kosovo becomes a member"

No information, no proof no nothing. He just is a valued insider in diplomatic circles and knows the way. Which is why he's graced us with his presence to enlighten us of the real way forward. pffft, clown.

Kosovo is a fully functioning state south of the Ibar river
(Ian)

No, Kosovo is temporary occupied territory.

Ari I really can`t believe there are still people like you who really believe Serbia`s going to control Kosovo once again even if force is needed, that`s just a dream ,do you even live in Serbia or are you writing from somewhere thousands of km away? USA is Kosovo`s sponsor and as long as the masters say Kosovo is independent then it`ll stay like that , Serbia doesn`t have any support on re-gaining Kosovo , Russia isn`t interested to get involved in this BS and don`t forget USA are the number 1 super military power as well (if you really consider a war would set off peace)

(Ari Gold, 27 December 2012 19:25)

You really do struggle with words. I'm saying this as someone with severe Dyslexia.

When did I say that every country in the world recognises Kosovo?

Please back up what you have said.

Quote me.

But I know you won't because you can't.

I never said that every country in the world recognises Kosovo as that is is not true, 98 UN states have explicitly/ officially recognised Kosovo. I said that every country in the world accepts that Kosovo is a de facto fully functioning state. That differs from Diplomatic Recognition.

And yes the NATO led KFOR mission will most likely come to an end once Kosovo joins NATO, but the US will most likely keep Camp Bondsteel.

If you actually read my previous comment to you, you would see that I answered your question:

"Why does Serbia, as you say, "need to accept the reality that Kosovo is independent"??"

Here is my response:

"it doesn't matter if Serbia recognises Kosovo or not because it doesn't change anything".

Also drugs in Europe do come from West Africa.

http://www.economist.com/node/21563340

That is just one source, but there are many many more. Just google search "Europe Drugs West Africa". It will provide you with plenty of reading which you obviously need because you're very ignorant on such matters and are VERY uneducated on such things.

The point has been made precisely. Without a just solution, there will be no lasting peace. So it's fairly simple, if the US, Germany and Albanians continue to follow the current path of implementing a one sided solution then peace will only be temporary.

Therefore, it is in everyone's interests to negotiate a just solution. Well, in the interests of those wanting peace in the region. Since NATO is spreading everything but peace around the world, I have my doubts there is an interest there.

Maybe when the time taken to get from one place to another in the Balkans is cut by all these fine new highways people will realize how close they are in other respects.
(Amer, 27 December 2012 21:16)
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How long will it take to get from Tirana and Pristina to the other side of Istanbul?

@Ian, UK

Thank you for your honesty and concern for the truth.

"However Beograd will always be a 6 hour drive from Pristina. ...
(Ari Gold, 27 December 2012 19:36) "

Actually, the drive should be a lot shorter soon. The Nation's Highway (Morine-Merdare)is due to be completed next September, and I suppose Corridor X will be someday, and that should speed things up. What used to be a 8-10 hour trip (Kosovo-Albania) will take 2 hours (http://www.enka.com/Enka.aspx?MainID=254&ContentID=361) when construction of the new road is completed, and the Corridor X highway should provide a similar time savings. Maybe when the time taken to get from one place to another in the Balkans is cut by all these fine new highways people will realize how close they are in other respects.

Sorry Rocky, that's not the way the world works. Kosovo is a puppet state with absolutely no power. Your role is to obey as commanded. You cannot even go to the bathroom without getting the US's permission.
(Daniel, 27 December 2012 13:59)

Oh finally you got it and confirmed what Albanians have been saying all along: i.e. Kosovo is independent from Serbia.

Yes, there may be disagreement about whether Albanians or the US control Kosovo, but everybody, you included, agree that it is not Serbia who controls Kosovo.

Njegos,ups he is dead,Djuka is the king of Yours and a friend of Albanians.

"How long will it take to get from Tirana and Pristina to the other side of Istanbul? "

I can only guess that this meant to be a sort of veiled threat. so now, you're going to make all the way to Tirana are you? well sweetheart, I do not know what the hell it is that you're reading (I do recall you writing something about some kind of Orthodox Alliance with Greece), but not only are you not going to see a Serbian soldier set foot in Prishtina EVER again (never mind in your lifetime), but the way things are going, I'd try and worry about Serbia shrinking even further if i was you.

No, Kosovo is temporary occupied territory.
(aaayyy, 27 December 2012 22:11)

Sure, but the labeling does not change the fact that it functions independently from Serbia (not just the Albanians but also North Kosovo Serbs act independently from Serbia)...

However, just for the joy of all Serbs (since the spiritual side is important, as well) let's go even beyond "Kosovo is temporary occupied territory" and repeat again that Kosovo is Serbia :)

Without a just solution, there will be no lasting peace. So it's fairly simple, if the US, Germany and Albanians continue to follow the current path of implementing a one sided solution then peace will only be temporary.
(Zoran, 27 December 2012 20:48)

Mate, whenever you are ready you can reach peace with yourself... there's not much others can do if you can't find peace with yourself.

How can you read that from my comment shows just how desperate you are to prove Kosovo exists as a state, which of course it doesn't. Dream on!
(Daniel, 28 December 2012 12:00)

Dear, I did not say whether Kosovo is a state, a province, a country, a parish, a neighborhood, an asterisk, a black hole or whatever - I'm not very concerned with the labels. Whatever you want to label it, fine with me.

But it was not me but a fellow poster here called "Daniel" who supported the position that something other than Serbia (like US, etc) controls Kosovo. So since Serbia does not control Kosovo, then Kosovo is independent from Serbia.

Just FYI, in English, being independent from something means being out of the control of that something... probably it's a matter of definition where your disagreement with the other "Daniel" is coming from :)

Oh finally you got it and confirmed what Albanians have been saying all along: i.e. Kosovo is independent from Serbia.

Yes, there may be disagreement about whether Albanians or the US control Kosovo, but everybody, you included, agree that it is not Serbia who controls Kosovo.
(icj1, 28 December 2012 03:18)
How can you read that from my comment shows just how desperate you are to prove Kosovo exists as a state, which of course it doesn't. Dream on!

"In any case, from Tirana it probably makes more sense to fly to Istanbul."

Oh, and for goods - to ship them by sea.

"How long will it take to get from Tirana and Pristina to the other side of Istanbul?
(Zoran, 27 December 2012 22:11) "

Hard to say - the route would probably be either via Corridor X through Serbia or VIII through Macedonia, and I have no idea how that is coming. Maybe that's why Prishtina is so intent on getting the highway to Skopje started right away? Corridor VIII was at the Pre-Feasibility stage the last time I heard anything about it, but maybe there's been some progress since then. In any case, from Tirana it probably makes more sense to fly to Istanbul.

i love that, 'Serb in Kosovo', who of course make up less than 10% of the whole Kosova population. yes, its their voice that must be heard, not that of the overwhelming majority. the international community DOES respect the reality in Kosova, its Serbia that is still stuck in 90's mode

What Serbia recognizes should be no business of the K. Albanians. The reality is Serbia is not trying to infringe on your society and seeks no part in governing your lives. This means you can dictate your own future, manage your own selves and if you get 'recognition's' then so be it, but you wont get one from the Serbian people and that includes the Serbs living in Kosovo i Metohija.

Your entire demeanor and tone with the Serbian people is very aggressive and you can tell by those who comment here that the support for violence is high with many Albanians. What you are telling Serbs and the state of Serbia is "your existence from Kosovo i Metohija must be wiped off completely and unless you agree we will continue to violently assault the Serbs who chose to stay".

This is not a policy of peace and its not going to work. Furthermore, its not a policy the West will forever uphold just because you want them too. Other parts of the world are becoming much more geo-politically important than the Balkans which is probably why they are pushing for a "peace agreement" between Serbs and Albanians.

Give peace a chance......or be so delusional and fanatically tied to greater Albania that the countries you are trying to tear apart (Serbia, FYR Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece) are forced to collectively deal with the separatist problem and deport all criminals back to Albania.

Here is the reality in Kosovo: Albanians continue to attack Serbs civillians and the international community led by our own compassionate Hiliary Clinton, turns a blind eye to the violence because to do anything about it would be to admit that the west made a mistake and took sides in a civil war. As the international community continues to lose interest in Kosovo and reduces the size of their troops there, the Albanians will be forced to manage their own affairs. And we all know what a debacle that will be. Kosovo Albanians are good at a few things: drug running, organ harvesting and attacking innocent civillians. My god, they couldn't even issue license plates properly in Kosovo. How are they going to run a country? And don't expect any help from their mother country, Albania which continues to be the most backward place in all of Europe. Albanians better hope that the international community stays in Kosovo forever, but we know that won't happen and then Kosovo will implode.

Serbia should recognise the reality on the ground. When Serbia does that, then she might be taken seriously when telling others to accept reality. This is why the International community will reject this so-called platform for Kosovo.

More hypocritical speech from notorious HYPOCRITES.

Serbs want "the International Community to respect reality and facts on the ground" and yet Serbia continues to refuse recognition of international recognized KOSOVA.
(98 Nations of the World have done so and more to come)

Then the Serbs claim to " NOT DIVIDE KOSOVAR SERBS" BUT WHY IS IT THAT THEY DEMAND ONLY A SPECIAL ENTITY,STATUS AND AUTONOMY FOR NORTHERN KOSOVAR-SERBS AND NOT SOUTHERN KOSOVAR-SERBS?

This is the right stance. I don't think that the Albanians are going to like it, but that is not what is important.

For a long time the international community has been dictating to Serbia, but Serbia has needed to find a stance so that it can be negotiated with fairly. This is the stance which Serbia can use to insist on being treated with proper respect by the international community.

Serbia must not back down on this.

Is he talking to himself? If anybody should respect and recognize the reality on the ground it is Serbia.... Another one of those weird projections serb politicians use all the time... Blaming things on others which actually should be done by them ....

Serbia should recognise the reality on the ground. When Serbia does that, then she might be taken seriously when telling others to accept reality. This is why the International community will reject this so-called platform for Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 27 December 2012 11:09)

Why must Serbia recognize your reality? If that reality you are speaking is as you would say "Kosovo is an independent state" then why is it a must for Serbia to accept this view? For example, nobody is arm twisting South Korea to recognize an independent North, because what is the point? Both countries are independent, sovereign and universally recognized. There exists no point for the sides to recognize each other.

If the Kosovo issue is already settled and Serbia's position is not relevant then Serbia would not have been blackmailed into 'negotiations' with terrorists.

But the undeniable fact that your awkward self cannot get around is that apart from the West which physically imposes its will in Kosovo i Metohija, the biggest legal actor in the Holy Christian Province is and always will be Serbia.

And if you think a partially recognized, impoverished and drug induced territory is a sovereign and independent country...then I myself will pay for the shrink you need to see.

Vulin, Serbia must, and will respect the reality in Kosova!
The Kosovar government, with close consultations with its international partners, are the ones that decide on Kosovar policies!
Serbia hasn't, and will never again have the ability to decide Kosovar policy! So go back to the drawing board, and do some more work on your platform, little buddy!

Because, Ari! Because the international community can, demand that of Serbia! You ever hear of the Copenhagen criteria genius? It was adopted so that future EU members would have something to adhere to, genius! It clearly states that any potential member MUST, establish good neighborly relations with all surrounding country's that one borders! In Serbia's case, this would include Kosova, genius! In the Asian peninsula there exists no Copenhagen criteria, genius! And Kosova still to this day has Christians Albanians, genius! Both Roman Catholics & orthodox, I am one of them, genius! Still trying to play the Muslim card?
(Rocky, 27 December 2012 14:13)
The only problem Rocky!!! (as you seem to like exclamation points) is that KosovO (not A) is NOT A COUNTRY. That is REALITY. Once ALL, and I mean ALLLLLLL countries in the world recognize KosovO's existence as an independent state, then Serbia should recognize it as well. Unfortunately, that's only a pipe dream. Go back to sleep and keep dreaming.

Vulin, Serbia must, and will respect the reality in Kosova!
The Kosovar government, with close consultations with its international partners, are the ones that decide on Kosovar policies!
Serbia hasn't, and will never again have the ability to decide Kosovar policy! So go back to the drawing board, and do some more work on your platform, little buddy!
(Rocky, 27 December 2012 13:15)
Sorry Rocky, that's not the way the world works. Kosovo is a puppet state with absolutely no power. Your role is to obey as commanded. You cannot even go to the bathroom without getting the US's permission. Your funny statement is a joke. Serbia will have power to make its own decisions over Kosovo. As we can already see, the North is having pull on what goes on, and there doesn't seem to be anything the West (your lords) are willing to do about it. I'll recall your foolish statements as the events move forward, and plenty of them being in Serbia's favor.

Why must Serbia recognize your reality? If that reality you are speaking is as you would say "Kosovo is an independent state" then why is it a must for Serbia to accept this view? For example, nobody is arm twisting South Korea to recognize an independent North, because what is the point? Both countries are independent, sovereign and universally recognized. There exists no point for the sides to recognize each other.

If the Kosovo issue is already settled and Serbia's position is not relevant then Serbia would not have been blackmailed into 'negotiations' with terrorists.

But the undeniable fact that your awkward self cannot get around is that apart from the West which physically imposes its will in Kosovo i Metohija, the biggest legal actor in the Holy Christian Province is and always will be Serbia.
(Ari Gold, 27 December 2012 13:01)

Because, Ari! Because the international community can, demand that of Serbia! You ever hear of the Copenhagen criteria genius? It was adopted so that future EU members would have something to adhere to, genius! It clearly states that any potential member MUST, establish good neighborly relations with all surrounding country's that one borders! In Serbia's case, this would include Kosova, genius! In the Asian peninsula there exists no Copenhagen criteria, genius! And Kosova still to this day has Christians Albanians, genius! Both Roman Catholics & orthodox, I am one of them, genius! Still trying to play the Muslim card?

Sorry Rocky, that's not the way the world works. Kosovo is a puppet state with absolutely no power. Your role is to obey as commanded. You cannot even go to the bathroom without getting the US's permission. Your funny statement is a joke. Serbia will have power to make its own decisions over Kosovo. As we can already see, the North is having pull on what goes on, and there doesn't seem to be anything the West (your lords) are willing to do about it. I'll recall your foolish statements as the events move forward, and plenty of them being in Serbia's favor.
(Daniel, 27 December 2012 13:59)

It's been working in Kosova for the past 13 years, bud! And as for the USA being a master? Well the answer to that is a big YES, they more then welcomed to be master in our country for infinity! But Serbia will never be master in Kosova again, and that in itself is worth everything! How u like that Einstein? Hell yes, we'll be the USA's trigger... Any day!

(Ari Gold, 27 December 2012 13:01)

Because my reality is shared by EVERY country in the world, even Russia and Serbia. They know and accept that Kosovo is a fully functioning state south of the Ibar river, they just don't officially recognise Kosovo as they dispute the legality of an independent Kosovo.

Why isn't there mutual recognition between the two Koreas? Because the both claim to be the sole legitimate Korea, which is a very different scenario between Kosovo and Serbia. And to be honest it doesn't matter if Serbia recognises Kosovo or not because Kosovo is a functioning state regardless of Serbia's recognition. If Serbia recognised Kosovo today, nothing would change, Kosovo would still be a functioning state as it was yesterday and the day before that and the day before that ect.

Serbia's position regarding Kosovo isn't on how things are, it is on how things SHOULD be.

And like I said, it doesn't matter if Serbia recognises Kosovo or not because it doesn't change anything, I just think it is rather hypocritical when someone who officially refuses to accept something which blatantly exists talks about "accepting reality".

"It's been working in Kosova for the past 13 years, bud! "
(Rocky, 27 December 2012 14:33)

Correct! Kosovo achieved a lot in the past decade. The main achievement was becoming Europe's main hub for drug distribution. So, amongst others, the Drenica clan (with its leader Thaci) was prospering.

(Ian, UK, 27 December 2012 15:12)

You're delusional and you didn't answer my question. Why, if Serbia's position regarding Kosovo i Metohija is somehow irrelevant because as you say Kosovo i Metohija is a universally recognized state, then why is Serbia's opinion on the matter so important? Why does Serbia, as you say, "need to accept the reality that Kosovo is independent"??

? You can't answer that can you? No because your a fringe lunatic in UK society and since nobody likes you there, you come on here for some cyber Albanian friends because maybe they'll accept you.

And every country in the world recognizes that Kosovo i Metohija is independent? Wow, that is more stupid than saying most drugs come from West Africa as you did in a previous post. You really are not that bright of a person or you troll on purpose. But if respect from the hyenas is all you seek then congratulations.

In fact even the official number of 'recognition's' is becoming an increasingly taboo subject as the Albanians have lied time and again where that number is currently at.

But Ian is the ahead of the curb liberal. He knows that every country recognizes Kosovo independence even if they've never said it. Just like he knows NATO will only leave Kosovo i Metohija when "Kosovo becomes a member"

No information, no proof no nothing. He just is a valued insider in diplomatic circles and knows the way. Which is why he's graced us with his presence to enlighten us of the real way forward. pffft, clown.

(Rocky, 27 December 2012 14:13)

Yea seriously, why do you talk with so many exclamation points and caps lock. Are you that insecure that we wont read your shi**y texts that you have to try to make it stand out as much as possible? I know you secretly love us, don't worry old boy, we're listening.

But your attitude is exactly why the Albanians will come out on bottom, yet again. You are willing to have the USA run the show- fine because it suits your interests it makes sense. But instead of 'independently' turning Kosovo i Metohija into an occupation that can stand on its own legs and not be 'dependent' off another power, you are willing to use your resources to burn Churches, rape women and extract organs instead.

Because you are under the illusion that the USA will always be there. But answer your self this, who cares more about Kosovo i Metohija? Serbs or the USA? Surely not the Serbian gov't, but the Serbian people absolutely care about Kosovo i Metohija more than America's gov't which if you follow trends, we see its interest in the region waning.

Kosovo i Metohija will always be some far away geo political interest that had its time in the 90s but now is not nearly as important. Especially since most Americans don't know or care about you.

However Beograd will always be a 6 hour drive from Pristina. Dogodine u Prizrenu ;)

Well, the international community has been demanding respect for the "reality on the ground" for years, so now they must truly live up to what they desire. Let's see if they can deal with the reality on the ground. It appears that Serbs are dealing with it.

Correct! Kosovo achieved a lot in the past decade. The main achievement was becoming Europe's main hub for drug distribution. So, amongst others, the Drenica clan (with its leader Thaci) was prospering.
(Comm. Parrisso, 27 December 2012 16:58)

Most illegal drugs in Europe originate from West Africa (and to a lesser extend South America) and they end up in Western Europe where people have money to buy drugs. That is where all the money is made. Drugs is all a business remember.

It is nonsense and ludicrous to suggest that the majority of these drugs go anywhere near Eastern Europe, never mind Kosovo.

There is no logical sense for Kosovo to be a drugs distribution hub, it is geographically in the wrong place. You'd have to go far far out of your way to have drugs going to Europe via Kosovo. Lot and lots of money would be wasted if drugs were distributed into Europe via Kosovo. And as I said before, drugs is a business. It'd be really bad business to have drugs distributed to Europe via Kosovo.

It is daft to think that drugs originating from West Africa go to Kosovo before ending up in places like the UK, France, Netherlands and Germany (where the majority of European drug users are). It'd be madness!

I actually think your comment is rather funny because you quite clearly believe this BS you've been told.

You've been conned, you're just another deluded victim of this anti-Kosovo propaganda.

"We expect the international community to understand and accept that Serbs in Kosovo recognize only one state and will not recognize another," Vulin told reporters while visiting the village of Vrbovac. "

We expect the international community to understand and accept that albanians in kosova recognize only one state and will not recognize another. Albanians told the world in the 90's and 80's

The point has been made precisely. Without a just solution, there will be no lasting peace. So it's fairly simple, if the US, Germany and Albanians continue to follow the current path of implementing a one sided solution then peace will only be temporary.

Therefore, it is in everyone's interests to negotiate a just solution. Well, in the interests of those wanting peace in the region. Since NATO is spreading everything but peace around the world, I have my doubts there is an interest there.

Kosovo is a fully functioning state south of the Ibar river
(Ian)

No, Kosovo is temporary occupied territory.

Ari I really can`t believe there are still people like you who really believe Serbia`s going to control Kosovo once again even if force is needed, that`s just a dream ,do you even live in Serbia or are you writing from somewhere thousands of km away? USA is Kosovo`s sponsor and as long as the masters say Kosovo is independent then it`ll stay like that , Serbia doesn`t have any support on re-gaining Kosovo , Russia isn`t interested to get involved in this BS and don`t forget USA are the number 1 super military power as well (if you really consider a war would set off peace)

(Ari Gold, 27 December 2012 19:25)

You really do struggle with words. I'm saying this as someone with severe Dyslexia.

When did I say that every country in the world recognises Kosovo?

Please back up what you have said.

Quote me.

But I know you won't because you can't.

I never said that every country in the world recognises Kosovo as that is is not true, 98 UN states have explicitly/ officially recognised Kosovo. I said that every country in the world accepts that Kosovo is a de facto fully functioning state. That differs from Diplomatic Recognition.

And yes the NATO led KFOR mission will most likely come to an end once Kosovo joins NATO, but the US will most likely keep Camp Bondsteel.

If you actually read my previous comment to you, you would see that I answered your question:

"Why does Serbia, as you say, "need to accept the reality that Kosovo is independent"??"

Here is my response:

"it doesn't matter if Serbia recognises Kosovo or not because it doesn't change anything".

Also drugs in Europe do come from West Africa.

http://www.economist.com/node/21563340

That is just one source, but there are many many more. Just google search "Europe Drugs West Africa". It will provide you with plenty of reading which you obviously need because you're very ignorant on such matters and are VERY uneducated on such things.

Maybe when the time taken to get from one place to another in the Balkans is cut by all these fine new highways people will realize how close they are in other respects.
(Amer, 27 December 2012 21:16)
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How long will it take to get from Tirana and Pristina to the other side of Istanbul?

@Ian, UK

Thank you for your honesty and concern for the truth.

Oh finally you got it and confirmed what Albanians have been saying all along: i.e. Kosovo is independent from Serbia.

Yes, there may be disagreement about whether Albanians or the US control Kosovo, but everybody, you included, agree that it is not Serbia who controls Kosovo.
(icj1, 28 December 2012 03:18)
How can you read that from my comment shows just how desperate you are to prove Kosovo exists as a state, which of course it doesn't. Dream on!

Njegos,ups he is dead,Djuka is the king of Yours and a friend of Albanians.

"How long will it take to get from Tirana and Pristina to the other side of Istanbul? "

I can only guess that this meant to be a sort of veiled threat. so now, you're going to make all the way to Tirana are you? well sweetheart, I do not know what the hell it is that you're reading (I do recall you writing something about some kind of Orthodox Alliance with Greece), but not only are you not going to see a Serbian soldier set foot in Prishtina EVER again (never mind in your lifetime), but the way things are going, I'd try and worry about Serbia shrinking even further if i was you.

Sorry Rocky, that's not the way the world works. Kosovo is a puppet state with absolutely no power. Your role is to obey as commanded. You cannot even go to the bathroom without getting the US's permission.
(Daniel, 27 December 2012 13:59)

Oh finally you got it and confirmed what Albanians have been saying all along: i.e. Kosovo is independent from Serbia.

Yes, there may be disagreement about whether Albanians or the US control Kosovo, but everybody, you included, agree that it is not Serbia who controls Kosovo.

"How long will it take to get from Tirana and Pristina to the other side of Istanbul?
(Zoran, 27 December 2012 22:11) "

Hard to say - the route would probably be either via Corridor X through Serbia or VIII through Macedonia, and I have no idea how that is coming. Maybe that's why Prishtina is so intent on getting the highway to Skopje started right away? Corridor VIII was at the Pre-Feasibility stage the last time I heard anything about it, but maybe there's been some progress since then. In any case, from Tirana it probably makes more sense to fly to Istanbul.

No, Kosovo is temporary occupied territory.
(aaayyy, 27 December 2012 22:11)

Sure, but the labeling does not change the fact that it functions independently from Serbia (not just the Albanians but also North Kosovo Serbs act independently from Serbia)...

However, just for the joy of all Serbs (since the spiritual side is important, as well) let's go even beyond "Kosovo is temporary occupied territory" and repeat again that Kosovo is Serbia :)

"However Beograd will always be a 6 hour drive from Pristina. ...
(Ari Gold, 27 December 2012 19:36) "

Actually, the drive should be a lot shorter soon. The Nation's Highway (Morine-Merdare)is due to be completed next September, and I suppose Corridor X will be someday, and that should speed things up. What used to be a 8-10 hour trip (Kosovo-Albania) will take 2 hours (http://www.enka.com/Enka.aspx?MainID=254&ContentID=361) when construction of the new road is completed, and the Corridor X highway should provide a similar time savings. Maybe when the time taken to get from one place to another in the Balkans is cut by all these fine new highways people will realize how close they are in other respects.

Without a just solution, there will be no lasting peace. So it's fairly simple, if the US, Germany and Albanians continue to follow the current path of implementing a one sided solution then peace will only be temporary.
(Zoran, 27 December 2012 20:48)

Mate, whenever you are ready you can reach peace with yourself... there's not much others can do if you can't find peace with yourself.

"In any case, from Tirana it probably makes more sense to fly to Istanbul."

Oh, and for goods - to ship them by sea.

How can you read that from my comment shows just how desperate you are to prove Kosovo exists as a state, which of course it doesn't. Dream on!
(Daniel, 28 December 2012 12:00)

Dear, I did not say whether Kosovo is a state, a province, a country, a parish, a neighborhood, an asterisk, a black hole or whatever - I'm not very concerned with the labels. Whatever you want to label it, fine with me.

But it was not me but a fellow poster here called "Daniel" who supported the position that something other than Serbia (like US, etc) controls Kosovo. So since Serbia does not control Kosovo, then Kosovo is independent from Serbia.

Just FYI, in English, being independent from something means being out of the control of that something... probably it's a matter of definition where your disagreement with the other "Daniel" is coming from :)