U.S. ambassador: No trade in Kosovo territory

“You are already in Europe. You cannot take Serbia and relocate it to some other part of the world. What other model, aside from the EU, you have at your disposal? Switzerland? You do not have banks. Norway? You do not have oil and natural gas. Russia? You are not a nation of 150 million people, you have no natural resources. Staying on the sidelines will not help,” Kirby concluded.

But you have not answered why Serbia should join the EU. Serbia does not need to border Russia or China to receive support and investments from those countries. Does Israel take a policy its surroundings desire just because they are "in the Middle East"?? No. Why should Serbia back down to appease its neighbors? Nonsense.

Money and investment travel around the world. Military alliances can be developed without the need for shared borders. Politically allying Serbia with the West wont guarantee Western investments just as allying Serbia with other powers of the world would not close the country from private investments. You do not have a patent on capitalism and any country that has a leadership which takes seriously the need for economic expansion and battling corruption can do just fine.

Oh and I don't know who placed "the exchange of territories with Kosovo" on the table, but thanks for taking it off. Serbia does not need to exchange territories with other parts of Serbia. Integrity and patriotism above all.

With all do respect too the Ambassador's Political comments...
Serbia Has :

1 A highly educated population
2 A territory in the middle of Europe that you need to go through, fly over in order too trade with the south Eastern countries.
3 A stable Society ,Culture ,History.
4.A free trade agreement with Russia
5.A Hub for a constant energy source for Western Europe
6.Deep and meaningful alliances with other countries in the Eastern and Southern Balkans.
7.Inat, like our brothers and sisters in the East and South

I believe every word the US Ambassador states, but the problem is that it’s now Brussels that calls the shots since its picking up the tab for Kosovo and they are no longer as steadfast about Kosovo as they were in the past. As we are now all well aware that Brussels is having a serious cash flow problem and the rest of the members of that club are in various stages of going broke plus the Germans are in recession so let’s see which wins the day; pure of western heart or cold hard cash?
However, I’d like to remind all that it was an American Ambassador in Saigon (Ho Chi Min City) that passionate spoke on several occasions about never abandoning their allies to the mercy of the “red peril”, but six months later after those wonderful speeches the US left and did exactly just that – abandoned their allies to the red peril. And so ended the Vietnam war.

Mr. Kirby, keep flapping your gums and lying while you can, we Serbs are not listening. So you recognize the violent redrawing of borders in Yugoslavia, the expulsion and US sponsored genocide of Serbs in Croatia (for the second time by an unpunished fascist state yet again), and you keep telling us how Republika Srpska has no right to self determination but somehow Kosovo does, and somehow all other ethnic groups in ex-Yugoslavia deserve teh right to self determination except Serbs?
You're a joke and a waste of space. Do something productive with your life, like growing cucumbers in your garden. How can you not be ashamed to be the mouth piece of war criminals who propogate such subhuman policies?
Let me remind you that your national debt is $16.4 Trillion and growing at approximately $4 Billion per day. Your time on stage is almost up, you're bankrupt, both financially and morally. We Serbs know that time is on our side, and we will wait it out. Russia is not connected to Serbia you say? Actually, the South Stream pipeline connects them, like a vein with carrying blood from brother nations. Think about that you half-wit. Do you think you will be able to bomb Serbia again with South Stream running 400km through Serbia? Just try it, and see what Uncle Vlad will do....hehe.
Cheers!!

“Over the years, borders in Europe have been changing a lot. We think it would be the best to stop. If you do this with Kosovo now, there is a question why not somewhere else, what about Bosnia-Herzegovina, border with Hungary, Bulgaria. Where will it end? It’s a box we would rather not open,” Kirby was quoted as saying.
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LOL! The borders of Europe will continue to change because the box has already been opened. It is called the "Kosova"* precedent. Next will be the United Kingdom, Spain and Belgium. After that, the US may get a taste of some German medicine also.

Quite right - Kosovo remains part of Serbia and should not be traded away just because of a violent bombing and subsequent invasion by international forces.

Hey Bilbao - you've obviously not educated yourself on this topic, which is no surprise.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nyBhr3ylOoU/UKVmllv9HOI/AAAAAAAAAU8/Tb2T5m40YFw/s1600/southstream.png
Where do you get 'many NATO countries'? It goes through one NATO country, Bulgaria, before it reaches Serbia, genius. And don't worry about Bulgaria, they switch sides all the time, they can be easily persuaded.
Cheers!!

Serb politicians, know everything from day they are born. They are honest, 'till someone offers to buy them; pro freedom and democracy 'till they grab power. In spite what they believe, they are not well informed especially about global and even european political realities. Their actions "appear" to be influenced
by foreign clout, money, ignorance, or to be outright treasonous.
And now, without being insulted, they allow american ambassador to preach how after violently occupying serbian land, "territorial integrity" of occupied Kosovo should be permanent!!!
No protest, comment, not a peep from Kosovo selling Belgrade politicians.
Tragically, same old, same old.
My heart goes to brave Serbians. God bless!

is almost a "fait accompli".

I'm sorry to break to you Avi, but Serbia isn't sitting on anything particularly valuable. There is no global scam to break Serbia. Serbs do that just fine on their own.

The ambassador is just doing his job. Saying what he is told to say. Unfortunately, all he said was true except one: "you have no resources"
This is actually all that Serbia has to offer: Copious amounts of copper, silver and gold that foreign firms are simply waiting to exploit. Serbia must be brought to its knees in economic filth so that it will hand over these resources. This is why Serbia is still drowning in economic filth. It is a siege, don't you all see!!! There is more copper and gold in Serbia than in all of Europe and thats a fact!!!! Serbian domestic exploitation is being sabotaged economically with the low valued dinar in order to hinder the purchase of required state of the art equipment and other resources for exploitation.

“Over the years, borders in Europe have been changing a lot. We think it would be the best to stop. If you do this with Kosovo now, there is a question why not somewhere else, what about Bosnia-Herzegovina, border with Hungary, Bulgaria. Where will it end? It’s a box we would rather not open,” Kirby was quoted as saying.

He is right, but he only forgot to mention that this box is already open wide. How come? It was opened when the 'independent Kosovo' was allowed by the internationals. Kosova has never been a constitutional state within YU. And unlike the states he mentions above which have clear borders, Kosovo is not a recognized entity.

"It should be clear to everyone that there will be no trade of the Kosovo territory"

Why not? Oh right, Camp Bondsteel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel)

No box is open, Kosovo only went to their rightful owners. Discuss it as much as you like but nothing is going to happend. Kosovo is Kosovo big dot.

(Hans, 27 December 2012 17:11)

'Do you really think the US or NATO care about a few kilometers of pipeline through your territory ??'
You bet they do, that's why they've been trying to push the Nabucco project to reduce Russian influence in the region. Google it genius.

'What would Uncle Vlad do ?? What did China when they got their embassy wiped out in downtown Belgrade ?? What ?? they did nothing !!'

That was 1999, it is now 2012, and everything has changed. The US is now a bankrupt nation relying on China for loans to pay their bills.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Russia is by far the most resource rich country on the planet, they've got everything that the world needs and wants in their soil. And they are our #1 allies, whom we have a free trade agreement with. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

'And as to South Stream, don't forget that you're only a transit country, like many others, you own nothing. nothing !!'

Approximately $200 million per year just for transit fees alone, that is Serbia's piece. Not to mention more storage capacity, which will all attract industry and more investment. Bye the way, a good chunk of those transit fees will be paid to Serbia by our great 'friends' such as Croatia, Austria, and Hungary :).
Cheers!!

"There is more copper and gold in Serbia than in all of Europe and thats a fact!!!!"
(Avi, 27 December 2012 12:36)

The number of exclamation marks doesn't make these nonsense claims true.

Some facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_copper#Reserves

(and for the people who don't know it: Poland is located in Europe)

Serbia Has :

1 A highly educated population - that have left and leaving every day.
2 A territory in the middle of Europe that you need to go through, fly over in order too trade with the south Eastern countries.
3 A stable Society ,Culture ,History.
4.A free trade agreement with Russia - More trade with EU very little with Russia and your goods have to pas EU to get there.
5.A Hub for a constant energy source for Western Europe - EU has no need for that as you do not produce it just pas through and it can go through some other land.
6.Deep and meaningful alliances with other countries in the Eastern and Southern Balkans. - Where in Kosovo you already lost that.
7.Inat, like our brothers and sisters in the East and South - Inta will keep you with empty stomack
(Mr.Burns, 27 December 2012 11:21)

The box is already open!

He he he,Now you have in black and white,the grass is not always green out there,leave EU if you want,but you have nothing apart from strange nationalisics ideas,and propagands,you grabed albanian territories through out the history,1868-78,1912-13,you see how hard is to give something which you thing or believe is your,what about pour albanians of those years mention above,the feelt abounden,lossers,worthless,unluckiest,victim and anything you like to say. Please my neigbour Serbs leave Kosovo alone,it was never yours and will remain so. North Kosovo is part of Kosovo. If you want to exchnage the populations with Presheva Valey we can Sebs from the north go to Serbia and Albanian from Presheva,Bujanovc and Medvegja come to Kosovo,or teritories like Leposaviq,Zveqan,and Zubin Potok with Presheva ,Bujanovc and Medvegja but not North Mitrovica,becouse north Mitrovica before the war was majority Albanian people,only after the war Serbs from other parts of Kosovo as well as Serbia moved in the area and outnumbered Albanians,as well as aviction of Albanian people from they homes from Serbian nationalists. Many Thanks for taking time to read my comment. Respect Bashkimi.

As an American citizen I feel that it's my duty to warn my Ambassador of the secret weapon that China is
using to win over the world. It's called Wisdom--and not that mind insulting, Ivy-Legue-diplomatic-spin-with-a-grin-bullcrap that Western Civilization is so fond of using.
Also, Beware of Godless-Balkan-WW2 Nazi-Blood-Sucking-PROFESSIONAL-Sycophants.

P.S.S. Serbia has been wronged enough!!!

“Over the years, borders in Europe have been changing a lot. We think it would be the best to stop.
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I absolutely agree with you. Just stop it! Withdraw your recognition of Kosovo independence please.

“You are already in Europe. You cannot take Serbia and relocate it to some other part of the world. What other model, aside from the EU, you have at your disposal? Switzerland? You do not have banks. Norway? You do not have oil and natural gas. Russia? You are not a nation of 150 million people, you have no natural resources. Staying on the sidelines will not help,” Kirby concluded.

Wise words, fortunately the current Serbian government has already made similar observations, only a few small nationalist and illusionist parties believe in something else.

only after the war Serbs from other parts of Kosovo as well as Serbia moved in the area and outnumbered Albanians,
(B from London)

Probably those Serbs from other parts of Kosovo were expelled from there by Albanians?

And I can hardly believe that Serbs from central Serbia settled in N.Mitrovica after 1999.

Stream running 400km through Serbia? Just try it, and see what Uncle Vlad will do....hehe.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 27 December 2012 14:54)

Pipe goes through many Nato countries before it reaches Serbia so you make no sense but ok wish you prosperity like Ukraine!

"Russia is not connected to Serbia you say? Actually, the South Stream pipeline connects them, like a vein with carrying blood from brother nations. "
(Dragan, 27 December 2012 14:54)

In other news, it's reported that telephone lines connect Israel and Palestine :)

@just for information

you see, first the facts proposed are from wikipedia, second these facts account the exploited materials of the mentioned countries... Serbia cannot exploit the resources it has. There isnt enough funding, all the profit used from exploitation made by machines that are older than you and me put together times 2 is used for paying off large amounts of credit i.e. loans bought from the IMF and the EU. Bor is a small copper mining town in eastern Serbia. During the prime time of Yugoslavia it was the third largest exploiter of copper in the world. Id share with you some more details but im off work... maybe some other time...

"you see, first the facts proposed are from wikipedia, second these facts account the exploited materials of the mentioned countries..."
(Avi, 27 December 2012 17:26)

No, these are the estimated RESOURCES located in these countries which are exploitable with a profit, it's not about current production/exploitation. But you are right, in the '70th and up to the '90th, Serbia(within YU) has been indeed a big producer of copper in Europe.

And sorry, I consider things mentioned in Wikipedia a lot more trustworthy than some unfounded claims written in the B92 forum.

Approximately $200 million per year just for transit fees alone, that is Serbia's piece. Not to mention more storage capacity, which will all attract industry and more investment. Bye the way, a good chunk of those transit fees will be paid to Serbia by our great 'friends' such as Croatia, Austria, and Hungary :).
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 27 December 2012 18:26
With 51% flowing back to the main owners of the pipeline(you know who)another 25% landing into the pockets of your new anti-corruption politicians, and majority of the rest being spent on updates and maintenance Serbia should see about $1.95, where would you like the check sent?

Do you think you will be able to bomb Serbia again with South Stream running 400km through Serbia? Just try it, and see what Uncle Vlad will do....hehe.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 27 December 2012 14:54)

Keep cool mate! do not release your frustration so obviously.

Do you really think the US or NATO care about a few kilometers of pipeline through your territory ??
What would Uncle Vlad do ?? What did China when they got their embassy wiped out in downtown Belgrade ?? What ?? they did nothing !!

And as to South Stream, don't forget that you're only a transit country, like many others, you own nothing. nothing !! At leats Ukraine owns it network. U don't ! And let me remind you that Uncle Vlad is entitled to no say since this pipe is 50% (not 49) owned by WESTERN Companies...

SO let Her Excellence US Ambassador express himself.

LOL! The borders of Europe will continue to change because the box has already been opened. It is called the "Kosova"* precedent. Next will be the United Kingdom, Spain and Belgium. After that, the US may get a taste of some German medicine also.
(Zoran, 27 December 2012 13:49)

That’s great… it consolidates “Kosova”* independence with more precedents and more new countries which will recognize "Kosova"*. I know, it’s ungrateful not to care about the fate of countries like United Kingdom and Belgium which helped Kosovo become independent, but only naïve people think that there is love between countries – there are just temporary interests.
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I believe every word the US Ambassador states, but the problem is that it’s now Brussels that calls the shots since its picking up the tab for Kosovo and they are no longer as steadfast about Kosovo as they were in the past. As we are now all well aware that Brussels is having a serious cash flow problem
(sj, 27 December 2012 10:57)

Sorry, I’m perplexed… Is Brussels “picking up the tab” or is “Brussels having a serious cash flow problem”? Which of the two is correct?
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But you have not answered why Serbia should join the EU.
(Ari Gold, 27 December 2012 10:49)

Serbia should not be allowed to join the EU (regardless of how much it begs for that)… That’s probably the only thing where you and the Albanians share the same opinion.

"He is right, but he only forgot to mention that this box is already open wide. How come? It was opened when the 'independent Kosovo' was allowed by the internationals. Kosova has never been a constitutional state within YU. And unlike the states he mentions above which have clear borders, Kosovo is not a recognized entity."

yep another erudite comment. "Kosova has never been a constitutional state within YU." why on Earth does this even matter? Perhaps you may want to read how it was that Kosova became a part of Serbia, it suyre as hell wasn't the peaceful way. "Kosovo is not a recognized entity." it is a recognized entity, just not by everyone. for you a state is one with UN membership, thats it. Lat week, Pakistan extended recognition, more and more are coming to this side every year

it should be clear to everyone, especially the Albanians, that this us-american freak-creation on our soil will cease to exist, sooner or later.

the sooner the better, of course.

" these facts account the exploited materials of the mentioned countries... Serbia cannot exploit the resources it has. There isnt enough funding, ...
(Avi, 27 December 2012 17:26) "

Look at the second table: "Copper Reserves (thousands of tonnes)" Serbia doesn't figure there, either. Maybe that's why there's no foreign funding?

Hans, 27 December 2012 17:11)

Ask the US what it cost them to bomb the Chinese embassy – had they paid to build the new one with bricks of 24 carat gold it would have been cheaper.
Hans have you been on the butterscotch snapps before writing this stuff? When you don’t know what you are talking about just keep quiet.
It’s not Her Excellence it’s His Excellency – his is a man.

The Albanians do not have any legally acquired Land to trade, and Perhaps this might signal that America must MOST GRUDGINGLY and RELUCTANTLY and AGAINST EVERY FIBRE THEIR PUTRID MAFIA BEINGS to announce that the Kosovo Albanians will have to go Legitimate.

Backgammon is an interesting game where even if a Person is far behind, then he can win, and even if he loses he can inflict great damage to the opponent in the form of taking most of his backgammon pieces.

The backgammon game on Kosovo, the European Union, and The Hague, the Kumanovo Agreement, NATO, and other VILE, PUTRID, and EVIL Organizations controlled by Britain and AmericaThese will all prove that the Decent People of the World MUST and WILL boycott all Goods and Services from Britain, America, and Germany,

The Yankee Ambassador to Serbia needs to say that KOSOVO IS SERBIA, and that ALL DIFFERENT REGIONS OF KOSOVO WILL BE REINTEGRATED BACK INTO SERBIA, TO THE VARYING EXTENT THAT SERBIA WANTS IT, ON A REGION TO REGION BASIS.; otherwise, PACK YOUR BAGS and GO BACK TO YANKEELAND, as the signal that All Decent People Worldwide Must And Will Boycott All Goods And Services From Britain, America, and Germany.

Sorry, I’m perplexed… Is Brussels “picking up the tab” or is “Brussels having a serious cash flow problem”? Which of the two is correct?
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(icj1, 27 December 2012 22:47)
Which are you? Twiddle Dee or Twiddle Dumb? My little friend it does not take too much to perplex you.
You see this is not like the social security you get every week or month. This is much more complex as the EU is having a serious cash flow problem and that is why it’s cutting back on all non-essential expenditure to keep up paying for Kosovo and Bosnia but if you still have a problem I’ll try and draw you a picture with lots of nice colours and I’ll put in some balloons.

The Yankee Ambassador to Serbia needs to say that KOSOVO IS SERBIA
(Yet Another J S, 28 December 2012 10:13)

Oh, that's all you want... I, for one, can say immediately that KOSOVO IS SERBIA. Me or anybody else saying it does not change the fact that Kosovo is independent from Serbia, but, hey, if hearing KOSOVO IS SERBIA is a source of pleasure for you we can certainly give you that pleasure :)

Why does border changing have to stop with Serbia? Why if Spain is redrawn to exclude Catalonia ?

I absolutely agree with you. Just stop it! Withdraw your recognition of Kosovo independence please.
(aaayyy, 27 December 2012 21:39)

But you just said to stop it... Reversing Kosovo's independence would be another change in borders :)

Mr. U.S. Ambassador to Serbia Michael Kirby, I already told the Serbs that but they just don't get it and refuse to apologize go figure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYdbGHzaTk .

Appreciate you, the CE of the B92 forums in person, taking the time and clarifying my perplexity. So the other sj was correct on the “Brussels having a serious cash flow problem” and thus wrong on the “Brussels picking up the tab” part. Thanks again for clarifying.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 28 December 2012 20:12)
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OMG, this guy just won't stop.
Please all stop arguing with this guy for others might not be able to tell the difference.

Sorry, I’m perplexed… Is Brussels “picking up the tab” or is “Brussels having a serious cash flow problem”? Which of the two is correct?
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(icj1, 27 December 2012 22:47)
Which are you? Twiddle Dee or Twiddle Dumb? My little friend it does not take too much to perplex you.
You see this is not like the social security you get every week or month. This is much more complex as the EU is having a serious cash flow problem and that is why it’s cutting back on all non-essential expenditure to keep up paying for Kosovo and Bosnia but if you still have a problem I’ll try and draw you a picture with lots of nice colours and I’ll put in some balloons.
(sj, 28 December 2012 04:34)

Appreciate you, the CE of the B92 forums in person, taking the time and clarifying my perplexity. So the other sj was correct on the “Brussels having a serious cash flow problem” and thus wrong on the “Brussels picking up the tab” part. Thanks again for clarifying.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Please all stop arguing with this guy for others might not be able to tell the difference.
(Peggy, 29 December 2012 02:33)

Ooops, sorry Peggy for disturbing your peace... but rest assured that nobody confuses me with you :)

If you do this with Kosovo now, there is a question why not somewhere else, what about Bosnia-Herzegovina, border with Hungary, Bulgaria. Where will it end?

hmm, maybe the US government should have asked itself this question in 1990

With all do respect too the Ambassador's Political comments...
Serbia Has :

1 A highly educated population
2 A territory in the middle of Europe that you need to go through, fly over in order too trade with the south Eastern countries.
3 A stable Society ,Culture ,History.
4.A free trade agreement with Russia
5.A Hub for a constant energy source for Western Europe
6.Deep and meaningful alliances with other countries in the Eastern and Southern Balkans.
7.Inat, like our brothers and sisters in the East and South

“You are already in Europe. You cannot take Serbia and relocate it to some other part of the world. What other model, aside from the EU, you have at your disposal? Switzerland? You do not have banks. Norway? You do not have oil and natural gas. Russia? You are not a nation of 150 million people, you have no natural resources. Staying on the sidelines will not help,” Kirby concluded.

But you have not answered why Serbia should join the EU. Serbia does not need to border Russia or China to receive support and investments from those countries. Does Israel take a policy its surroundings desire just because they are "in the Middle East"?? No. Why should Serbia back down to appease its neighbors? Nonsense.

Money and investment travel around the world. Military alliances can be developed without the need for shared borders. Politically allying Serbia with the West wont guarantee Western investments just as allying Serbia with other powers of the world would not close the country from private investments. You do not have a patent on capitalism and any country that has a leadership which takes seriously the need for economic expansion and battling corruption can do just fine.

Oh and I don't know who placed "the exchange of territories with Kosovo" on the table, but thanks for taking it off. Serbia does not need to exchange territories with other parts of Serbia. Integrity and patriotism above all.

He he he,Now you have in black and white,the grass is not always green out there,leave EU if you want,but you have nothing apart from strange nationalisics ideas,and propagands,you grabed albanian territories through out the history,1868-78,1912-13,you see how hard is to give something which you thing or believe is your,what about pour albanians of those years mention above,the feelt abounden,lossers,worthless,unluckiest,victim and anything you like to say. Please my neigbour Serbs leave Kosovo alone,it was never yours and will remain so. North Kosovo is part of Kosovo. If you want to exchnage the populations with Presheva Valey we can Sebs from the north go to Serbia and Albanian from Presheva,Bujanovc and Medvegja come to Kosovo,or teritories like Leposaviq,Zveqan,and Zubin Potok with Presheva ,Bujanovc and Medvegja but not North Mitrovica,becouse north Mitrovica before the war was majority Albanian people,only after the war Serbs from other parts of Kosovo as well as Serbia moved in the area and outnumbered Albanians,as well as aviction of Albanian people from they homes from Serbian nationalists. Many Thanks for taking time to read my comment. Respect Bashkimi.

No box is open, Kosovo only went to their rightful owners. Discuss it as much as you like but nothing is going to happend. Kosovo is Kosovo big dot.

Stream running 400km through Serbia? Just try it, and see what Uncle Vlad will do....hehe.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 27 December 2012 14:54)

Pipe goes through many Nato countries before it reaches Serbia so you make no sense but ok wish you prosperity like Ukraine!

The ambassador is just doing his job. Saying what he is told to say. Unfortunately, all he said was true except one: "you have no resources"
This is actually all that Serbia has to offer: Copious amounts of copper, silver and gold that foreign firms are simply waiting to exploit. Serbia must be brought to its knees in economic filth so that it will hand over these resources. This is why Serbia is still drowning in economic filth. It is a siege, don't you all see!!! There is more copper and gold in Serbia than in all of Europe and thats a fact!!!! Serbian domestic exploitation is being sabotaged economically with the low valued dinar in order to hinder the purchase of required state of the art equipment and other resources for exploitation.

“Over the years, borders in Europe have been changing a lot. We think it would be the best to stop. If you do this with Kosovo now, there is a question why not somewhere else, what about Bosnia-Herzegovina, border with Hungary, Bulgaria. Where will it end? It’s a box we would rather not open,” Kirby was quoted as saying.
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LOL! The borders of Europe will continue to change because the box has already been opened. It is called the "Kosova"* precedent. Next will be the United Kingdom, Spain and Belgium. After that, the US may get a taste of some German medicine also.

I believe every word the US Ambassador states, but the problem is that it’s now Brussels that calls the shots since its picking up the tab for Kosovo and they are no longer as steadfast about Kosovo as they were in the past. As we are now all well aware that Brussels is having a serious cash flow problem and the rest of the members of that club are in various stages of going broke plus the Germans are in recession so let’s see which wins the day; pure of western heart or cold hard cash?
However, I’d like to remind all that it was an American Ambassador in Saigon (Ho Chi Min City) that passionate spoke on several occasions about never abandoning their allies to the mercy of the “red peril”, but six months later after those wonderful speeches the US left and did exactly just that – abandoned their allies to the red peril. And so ended the Vietnam war.

I'm sorry to break to you Avi, but Serbia isn't sitting on anything particularly valuable. There is no global scam to break Serbia. Serbs do that just fine on their own.

Quite right - Kosovo remains part of Serbia and should not be traded away just because of a violent bombing and subsequent invasion by international forces.

Mr. Kirby, keep flapping your gums and lying while you can, we Serbs are not listening. So you recognize the violent redrawing of borders in Yugoslavia, the expulsion and US sponsored genocide of Serbs in Croatia (for the second time by an unpunished fascist state yet again), and you keep telling us how Republika Srpska has no right to self determination but somehow Kosovo does, and somehow all other ethnic groups in ex-Yugoslavia deserve teh right to self determination except Serbs?
You're a joke and a waste of space. Do something productive with your life, like growing cucumbers in your garden. How can you not be ashamed to be the mouth piece of war criminals who propogate such subhuman policies?
Let me remind you that your national debt is $16.4 Trillion and growing at approximately $4 Billion per day. Your time on stage is almost up, you're bankrupt, both financially and morally. We Serbs know that time is on our side, and we will wait it out. Russia is not connected to Serbia you say? Actually, the South Stream pipeline connects them, like a vein with carrying blood from brother nations. Think about that you half-wit. Do you think you will be able to bomb Serbia again with South Stream running 400km through Serbia? Just try it, and see what Uncle Vlad will do....hehe.
Cheers!!

Do you think you will be able to bomb Serbia again with South Stream running 400km through Serbia? Just try it, and see what Uncle Vlad will do....hehe.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 27 December 2012 14:54)

Keep cool mate! do not release your frustration so obviously.

Do you really think the US or NATO care about a few kilometers of pipeline through your territory ??
What would Uncle Vlad do ?? What did China when they got their embassy wiped out in downtown Belgrade ?? What ?? they did nothing !!

And as to South Stream, don't forget that you're only a transit country, like many others, you own nothing. nothing !! At leats Ukraine owns it network. U don't ! And let me remind you that Uncle Vlad is entitled to no say since this pipe is 50% (not 49) owned by WESTERN Companies...

SO let Her Excellence US Ambassador express himself.

Serb politicians, know everything from day they are born. They are honest, 'till someone offers to buy them; pro freedom and democracy 'till they grab power. In spite what they believe, they are not well informed especially about global and even european political realities. Their actions "appear" to be influenced
by foreign clout, money, ignorance, or to be outright treasonous.
And now, without being insulted, they allow american ambassador to preach how after violently occupying serbian land, "territorial integrity" of occupied Kosovo should be permanent!!!
No protest, comment, not a peep from Kosovo selling Belgrade politicians.
Tragically, same old, same old.
My heart goes to brave Serbians. God bless!

is almost a "fait accompli".

“Over the years, borders in Europe have been changing a lot. We think it would be the best to stop. If you do this with Kosovo now, there is a question why not somewhere else, what about Bosnia-Herzegovina, border with Hungary, Bulgaria. Where will it end? It’s a box we would rather not open,” Kirby was quoted as saying.

He is right, but he only forgot to mention that this box is already open wide. How come? It was opened when the 'independent Kosovo' was allowed by the internationals. Kosova has never been a constitutional state within YU. And unlike the states he mentions above which have clear borders, Kosovo is not a recognized entity.

Serbia Has :

1 A highly educated population - that have left and leaving every day.
2 A territory in the middle of Europe that you need to go through, fly over in order too trade with the south Eastern countries.
3 A stable Society ,Culture ,History.
4.A free trade agreement with Russia - More trade with EU very little with Russia and your goods have to pas EU to get there.
5.A Hub for a constant energy source for Western Europe - EU has no need for that as you do not produce it just pas through and it can go through some other land.
6.Deep and meaningful alliances with other countries in the Eastern and Southern Balkans. - Where in Kosovo you already lost that.
7.Inat, like our brothers and sisters in the East and South - Inta will keep you with empty stomack
(Mr.Burns, 27 December 2012 11:21)

The box is already open!

"It should be clear to everyone that there will be no trade of the Kosovo territory"

Why not? Oh right, Camp Bondsteel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel)

LOL! The borders of Europe will continue to change because the box has already been opened. It is called the "Kosova"* precedent. Next will be the United Kingdom, Spain and Belgium. After that, the US may get a taste of some German medicine also.
(Zoran, 27 December 2012 13:49)

That’s great… it consolidates “Kosova”* independence with more precedents and more new countries which will recognize "Kosova"*. I know, it’s ungrateful not to care about the fate of countries like United Kingdom and Belgium which helped Kosovo become independent, but only naïve people think that there is love between countries – there are just temporary interests.
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I believe every word the US Ambassador states, but the problem is that it’s now Brussels that calls the shots since its picking up the tab for Kosovo and they are no longer as steadfast about Kosovo as they were in the past. As we are now all well aware that Brussels is having a serious cash flow problem
(sj, 27 December 2012 10:57)

Sorry, I’m perplexed… Is Brussels “picking up the tab” or is “Brussels having a serious cash flow problem”? Which of the two is correct?
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But you have not answered why Serbia should join the EU.
(Ari Gold, 27 December 2012 10:49)

Serbia should not be allowed to join the EU (regardless of how much it begs for that)… That’s probably the only thing where you and the Albanians share the same opinion.

“You are already in Europe. You cannot take Serbia and relocate it to some other part of the world. What other model, aside from the EU, you have at your disposal? Switzerland? You do not have banks. Norway? You do not have oil and natural gas. Russia? You are not a nation of 150 million people, you have no natural resources. Staying on the sidelines will not help,” Kirby concluded.

Wise words, fortunately the current Serbian government has already made similar observations, only a few small nationalist and illusionist parties believe in something else.

"Russia is not connected to Serbia you say? Actually, the South Stream pipeline connects them, like a vein with carrying blood from brother nations. "
(Dragan, 27 December 2012 14:54)

In other news, it's reported that telephone lines connect Israel and Palestine :)

" these facts account the exploited materials of the mentioned countries... Serbia cannot exploit the resources it has. There isnt enough funding, ...
(Avi, 27 December 2012 17:26) "

Look at the second table: "Copper Reserves (thousands of tonnes)" Serbia doesn't figure there, either. Maybe that's why there's no foreign funding?

As an American citizen I feel that it's my duty to warn my Ambassador of the secret weapon that China is
using to win over the world. It's called Wisdom--and not that mind insulting, Ivy-Legue-diplomatic-spin-with-a-grin-bullcrap that Western Civilization is so fond of using.
Also, Beware of Godless-Balkan-WW2 Nazi-Blood-Sucking-PROFESSIONAL-Sycophants.

P.S.S. Serbia has been wronged enough!!!

(Hans, 27 December 2012 17:11)

'Do you really think the US or NATO care about a few kilometers of pipeline through your territory ??'
You bet they do, that's why they've been trying to push the Nabucco project to reduce Russian influence in the region. Google it genius.

'What would Uncle Vlad do ?? What did China when they got their embassy wiped out in downtown Belgrade ?? What ?? they did nothing !!'

That was 1999, it is now 2012, and everything has changed. The US is now a bankrupt nation relying on China for loans to pay their bills.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Russia is by far the most resource rich country on the planet, they've got everything that the world needs and wants in their soil. And they are our #1 allies, whom we have a free trade agreement with. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

'And as to South Stream, don't forget that you're only a transit country, like many others, you own nothing. nothing !!'

Approximately $200 million per year just for transit fees alone, that is Serbia's piece. Not to mention more storage capacity, which will all attract industry and more investment. Bye the way, a good chunk of those transit fees will be paid to Serbia by our great 'friends' such as Croatia, Austria, and Hungary :).
Cheers!!

Hey Bilbao - you've obviously not educated yourself on this topic, which is no surprise.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nyBhr3ylOoU/UKVmllv9HOI/AAAAAAAAAU8/Tb2T5m40YFw/s1600/southstream.png
Where do you get 'many NATO countries'? It goes through one NATO country, Bulgaria, before it reaches Serbia, genius. And don't worry about Bulgaria, they switch sides all the time, they can be easily persuaded.
Cheers!!

Approximately $200 million per year just for transit fees alone, that is Serbia's piece. Not to mention more storage capacity, which will all attract industry and more investment. Bye the way, a good chunk of those transit fees will be paid to Serbia by our great 'friends' such as Croatia, Austria, and Hungary :).
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 27 December 2012 18:26
With 51% flowing back to the main owners of the pipeline(you know who)another 25% landing into the pockets of your new anti-corruption politicians, and majority of the rest being spent on updates and maintenance Serbia should see about $1.95, where would you like the check sent?

"There is more copper and gold in Serbia than in all of Europe and thats a fact!!!!"
(Avi, 27 December 2012 12:36)

The number of exclamation marks doesn't make these nonsense claims true.

Some facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_copper#Reserves

(and for the people who don't know it: Poland is located in Europe)

I absolutely agree with you. Just stop it! Withdraw your recognition of Kosovo independence please.
(aaayyy, 27 December 2012 21:39)

But you just said to stop it... Reversing Kosovo's independence would be another change in borders :)

Mr. U.S. Ambassador to Serbia Michael Kirby, I already told the Serbs that but they just don't get it and refuse to apologize go figure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYdbGHzaTk .

The Albanians do not have any legally acquired Land to trade, and Perhaps this might signal that America must MOST GRUDGINGLY and RELUCTANTLY and AGAINST EVERY FIBRE THEIR PUTRID MAFIA BEINGS to announce that the Kosovo Albanians will have to go Legitimate.

Backgammon is an interesting game where even if a Person is far behind, then he can win, and even if he loses he can inflict great damage to the opponent in the form of taking most of his backgammon pieces.

The backgammon game on Kosovo, the European Union, and The Hague, the Kumanovo Agreement, NATO, and other VILE, PUTRID, and EVIL Organizations controlled by Britain and AmericaThese will all prove that the Decent People of the World MUST and WILL boycott all Goods and Services from Britain, America, and Germany,

The Yankee Ambassador to Serbia needs to say that KOSOVO IS SERBIA, and that ALL DIFFERENT REGIONS OF KOSOVO WILL BE REINTEGRATED BACK INTO SERBIA, TO THE VARYING EXTENT THAT SERBIA WANTS IT, ON A REGION TO REGION BASIS.; otherwise, PACK YOUR BAGS and GO BACK TO YANKEELAND, as the signal that All Decent People Worldwide Must And Will Boycott All Goods And Services From Britain, America, and Germany.

Sorry, I’m perplexed… Is Brussels “picking up the tab” or is “Brussels having a serious cash flow problem”? Which of the two is correct?
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(icj1, 27 December 2012 22:47)
Which are you? Twiddle Dee or Twiddle Dumb? My little friend it does not take too much to perplex you.
You see this is not like the social security you get every week or month. This is much more complex as the EU is having a serious cash flow problem and that is why it’s cutting back on all non-essential expenditure to keep up paying for Kosovo and Bosnia but if you still have a problem I’ll try and draw you a picture with lots of nice colours and I’ll put in some balloons.

"He is right, but he only forgot to mention that this box is already open wide. How come? It was opened when the 'independent Kosovo' was allowed by the internationals. Kosova has never been a constitutional state within YU. And unlike the states he mentions above which have clear borders, Kosovo is not a recognized entity."

yep another erudite comment. "Kosova has never been a constitutional state within YU." why on Earth does this even matter? Perhaps you may want to read how it was that Kosova became a part of Serbia, it suyre as hell wasn't the peaceful way. "Kosovo is not a recognized entity." it is a recognized entity, just not by everyone. for you a state is one with UN membership, thats it. Lat week, Pakistan extended recognition, more and more are coming to this side every year

it should be clear to everyone, especially the Albanians, that this us-american freak-creation on our soil will cease to exist, sooner or later.

the sooner the better, of course.

“Over the years, borders in Europe have been changing a lot. We think it would be the best to stop.
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I absolutely agree with you. Just stop it! Withdraw your recognition of Kosovo independence please.

only after the war Serbs from other parts of Kosovo as well as Serbia moved in the area and outnumbered Albanians,
(B from London)

Probably those Serbs from other parts of Kosovo were expelled from there by Albanians?

And I can hardly believe that Serbs from central Serbia settled in N.Mitrovica after 1999.

The Yankee Ambassador to Serbia needs to say that KOSOVO IS SERBIA
(Yet Another J S, 28 December 2012 10:13)

Oh, that's all you want... I, for one, can say immediately that KOSOVO IS SERBIA. Me or anybody else saying it does not change the fact that Kosovo is independent from Serbia, but, hey, if hearing KOSOVO IS SERBIA is a source of pleasure for you we can certainly give you that pleasure :)

"you see, first the facts proposed are from wikipedia, second these facts account the exploited materials of the mentioned countries..."
(Avi, 27 December 2012 17:26)

No, these are the estimated RESOURCES located in these countries which are exploitable with a profit, it's not about current production/exploitation. But you are right, in the '70th and up to the '90th, Serbia(within YU) has been indeed a big producer of copper in Europe.

And sorry, I consider things mentioned in Wikipedia a lot more trustworthy than some unfounded claims written in the B92 forum.

Sorry, I’m perplexed… Is Brussels “picking up the tab” or is “Brussels having a serious cash flow problem”? Which of the two is correct?
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(icj1, 27 December 2012 22:47)
Which are you? Twiddle Dee or Twiddle Dumb? My little friend it does not take too much to perplex you.
You see this is not like the social security you get every week or month. This is much more complex as the EU is having a serious cash flow problem and that is why it’s cutting back on all non-essential expenditure to keep up paying for Kosovo and Bosnia but if you still have a problem I’ll try and draw you a picture with lots of nice colours and I’ll put in some balloons.
(sj, 28 December 2012 04:34)

Appreciate you, the CE of the B92 forums in person, taking the time and clarifying my perplexity. So the other sj was correct on the “Brussels having a serious cash flow problem” and thus wrong on the “Brussels picking up the tab” part. Thanks again for clarifying.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

@just for information

you see, first the facts proposed are from wikipedia, second these facts account the exploited materials of the mentioned countries... Serbia cannot exploit the resources it has. There isnt enough funding, all the profit used from exploitation made by machines that are older than you and me put together times 2 is used for paying off large amounts of credit i.e. loans bought from the IMF and the EU. Bor is a small copper mining town in eastern Serbia. During the prime time of Yugoslavia it was the third largest exploiter of copper in the world. Id share with you some more details but im off work... maybe some other time...

Hans, 27 December 2012 17:11)

Ask the US what it cost them to bomb the Chinese embassy – had they paid to build the new one with bricks of 24 carat gold it would have been cheaper.
Hans have you been on the butterscotch snapps before writing this stuff? When you don’t know what you are talking about just keep quiet.
It’s not Her Excellence it’s His Excellency – his is a man.

Why does border changing have to stop with Serbia? Why if Spain is redrawn to exclude Catalonia ?

Appreciate you, the CE of the B92 forums in person, taking the time and clarifying my perplexity. So the other sj was correct on the “Brussels having a serious cash flow problem” and thus wrong on the “Brussels picking up the tab” part. Thanks again for clarifying.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 28 December 2012 20:12)
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OMG, this guy just won't stop.
Please all stop arguing with this guy for others might not be able to tell the difference.

Please all stop arguing with this guy for others might not be able to tell the difference.
(Peggy, 29 December 2012 02:33)

Ooops, sorry Peggy for disturbing your peace... but rest assured that nobody confuses me with you :)

If you do this with Kosovo now, there is a question why not somewhere else, what about Bosnia-Herzegovina, border with Hungary, Bulgaria. Where will it end?

hmm, maybe the US government should have asked itself this question in 1990