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Monday, 24.12.2012.

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"Two changes made to Kosovo platform text"

The technical dialogue with Priština will continue after Serbia's platform for Kosovo was changed "in the part which concerns ending the technical dialogue".

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EA

pre 11 godina

There is no doubt that the Serbian president does not trust to its negotiating team. That is why he is saying the end of talks. Let's be a bit crazy and assume that the negotiations are going better tha expected. The outcome? The real outcome is my question....Serbia in EU blocking Kosovo entry.....))))

Daniel

pre 11 godina

suggest Serbia does what Montenegro has done Recognize Kosova and move on, Serbs are so hurt knowing the fact that they thought they had stolen Kosova and no one really paid much attention to it. Just when Serbs thought they had it all, they tried to wipe out all non-Serbians in former Yugoslavia and look at where that has gotten Serbia so far?
I guess we need Serbs like Ari in order for Serbia to keep shrinking.
(Albanian, 24 December 2012 14:59)

Even if Serbia would shrink to 3 times less its size it would still be bigger than kosovo, bosnia and croatia altogether. Happy with that are you?You are the ones occupying serbian territory not the other way around. Keep twisting the truth and we will see what will happen one day when USA wont cover ur back anymore.

sj

pre 11 godina

(pss, 25 December 2012 13:52)

You’re arguing from the point of “I don’t understand, but….”
The EU is not a bottomless pit of money. Why do you think Slovenia is in trouble? The aid has been drastically cut.
What little money the EU gave to Serbia only covered payment to politicians and their underlings to sing the praises of joining the EU so overall Serbia got little out of anyone with a few exceptions. All that talk of US/EU giving millions to Serbia only related to Kosovo and its up keep and nothing else.
Talking of scraps, Ian, UK mentioned that the US now had only 7.8% unemployment and that had me on the floor laughing. I’d be worried if I lived in the US because the price of essentials will sky rocket while your wages stagnate and in some cases go back.
As I said before the US is now beyond the point of no return.

Steve B.

pre 11 godina

Change it as much as you like, it has still been rejected by Prishtina therefore this "platform" isn't worth the paper it is written on!
(Haitian, 24 December 2012 10:20)

And keep trying to claim independence. It is rejected by Serbia so your constitution is worth less than the paper it's written on. Serbs will not give its property to you land snatchers. Eventually you will lose your international help. Broke countries won't dump billions into that pit forever; with nothing in return except more terrorist attacks by Albanians.

Bilbao

pre 11 godina

Nikolic's plan will backfire.
(Mirel from Albania, 24 December 2012 15:40)
===…==

When discussing Kosovo, why do you Albanians always include Vojvodina?
What has Vojvodina got to do with Kosovo?
This is just your wishful thinking hard at work, which is the only thing about you which is hard at work.
(Peggy, 25 December 2012 07:49)

Its simple just like Serbs use the word other people in Kosovo Roma etc and in Serbia they do not take care of them they all ask for Asylum.

pss

pre 11 godina

As far as the EU and US is concerned, the US is now so far in debt it matter little now as they are beyond the point of no return and this business over the Republicans and Democrats quibbling over cuts (edge of financial cliff BS) is a mask over the real problem – foreign debt which is now over 17 trillion (includes States’ debt). The EU? Where do you start here? and Germany in recession.
(sj, 25 December 2012 09:48)
And Serbia's survival depends on donations from all of them, alas.
I don't understand someone commenting on how tough the cut of steak you have when they are anxiously waiting for whatever scraps you leave behind.

sj

pre 11 godina

(icj1, 24 December 2012 19:46)

Serbia can take matters into it hand, but here is the real problem my little intellectual friend, Serbia would then destroy all the good work it has done for the last couple of years in attracting much needed industry to its land and it would be declared as the aggressor so more isolation and more problems for its people.
Yes the Windbags would huff and puff and carry on about this or that and how Resolution 1244 would allow them to take matters in their own hands, except for Russia and China. Look at Syria; why hasn’t it taken action there? I wonder where Colon Powell is with his maps of Iraq opps! Syria?
If the windbags could use their military on Serbia they would do it tomorrow and there is no doubt about that at all, but that’s only a pipe dream.
Kosovo cannot survive on its own so all these talks are BS as you will have to bend to Belgrade in the end. Have a close look at Slovenia and Croatia today; you know the two richest states in the old Yugo which propped up Serbia; how quickly that BS has come to light.
As far as the EU and US is concerned, the US is now so far in debt it matter little now as they are beyond the point of no return and this business over the Republicans and Democrats quibbling over cuts (edge of financial cliff BS) is a mask over the real problem – foreign debt which is now over 17 trillion (includes States’ debt). The EU? Where do you start here? and Germany in recession.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

Nikolic's plan will backfire.
(Mirel from Albania, 24 December 2012 15:40)
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When discussing Kosovo, why do you Albanians always include Vojvodina?
What has Vojvodina got to do with Kosovo?
This is just your wishful thinking hard at work, which is the only thing about you which is hard at work.

Common Sense

pre 11 godina

Who do you have in mind Ari? Serbia has had just about every politician of every stripe available since 1999, trying their hand in Kosova, with no luck in getting it back for you. Milosevic, Djindjic, Kostunica, Tadic, and finally Nikolic, none of them were able to get Kosova back to Serbia, no matter what kind of policy or platform they tried. So, unless you expect Czar Lazar to raise from the grave and fight for you, it doesn't seem you have many other options left.

And that's all you can hope for, to make the life harder for us? Reality sinking in, ain't it?

"100 to 1 mob attacks ..." Judging from the demographics, it seems pretty fair. You wanted a fair fight, right?

icj1

pre 11 godina

Actually I agree with you. It is our politicians fault. The reality is the ONLY thing Serbia cannot do is physically liberate Kosovo i Metohija for the time being and God knows that's not because any physical strength that the KLA possesses (ask Adem Jashari), as we see what happens when the Albanians fight battles in the Balkans without Western help..i.e. Mitrovica, Presevo, Macedonia......
(Ari Gold, 24 December 2012 18:35)

I'm perplexed with the above... according to the CE of the B92 forums sj the West (NATO, US, EU, etc. etc.) are all p... and wind when it comes to fighting with Serbs so the West can't be the reason Serbia cannot physically liberate KiM.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

Ari,

Keep on blaming the others/Wesr for your misfortunes and your crap polititiwns....It is not the mirror's fault for your look.....
(EA, 24 December 2012 12:23)

Actually I agree with you. It is our politicians fault. The reality is the ONLY thing Serbia cannot do is physically liberate Kosovo i Metohija for the time being and God knows that's not because any physical strength that the KLA possesses (ask Adem Jashari), as we see what happens when the Albanians fight battles in the Balkans without Western help..i.e. Mitrovica, Presevo, Macedonia......

It is our politicians fault I agree they are the cause. It was Serbia that accepted EULEX (it was pressured to because legally only Serbia can guarantee its legitimacy), it was Serbia that was pressured to rewrite the UN resolution over Kosovo i Metohija to soften the rhetoric...and these are all things Serbia's government agreed to.

So West, Hashim Thaci....they are nothing. Your biggest supporters for the temporary occupation are right in Belgrade. But the bright side of this means a true change of leadership in the capital can very well mean a reverse policy on the occupied province and a much harder life for the Albanian occupation.

We of course know what Serbs will pay for that don't we? 80 year old seniors, 14 year old girls, 100 to 1 mob attacks........Albo style baby!

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

(Albanian, 24 December 2012 14:59)

You really deserve no reply after that sick post you spewed all onto this page. You compared the Serbian people of Mitrovica's heroic victory over occupying terrorists trying to occupy even more land......to March 2004 Islamist pogroms in which Albanian men burned down the oldest buildings standing on Kosovo i Metohija (proof of who the Holy Province really belongs to), killed civilians and raped women.

Is that what you do 'Albanian' you glorify rape? Wouldn't surprise me, but in the real, non primitive world, that is considered disgusting. But regardless, thank you for your 'suggestions' for Serbia to legitimize the occupation. But they aren't really suggestions more a wishlist am I right?

Now why would such a recognition from Serbia be so important to you guys? Oh yeah, you live in Serbia after all.

No getting around it.

ben

pre 11 godina

Well Haitian. What Pristina says or think is as you know totally irrelevant whatsoever.
The Kosovo thing is something between the International Community and Serbia.
No more no less.
Merry X-mass all Serbs from the Danish people !!
(Copenhagen, 24 December 2012 12:35)

so following your logic the international community can eventually decide something that is not in the interest of Kosova and then force that decision to Kosova as it is irrelevant actor right? Something that is doing successfully in Afghanistan or Iraq. But it will work in Kosova you say? You really think that intern. coomunity will repress Kosovars to impose them the agreement that they have reached with Serbis on behalv of Kosova??? neat. The colonial imes have long gone my dear....

Also why are you wishing for "Merry X-mass all Serbs from the Danish people" there are more Albanians that celebrate THIS Christmas than Serbs.

icj1

pre 11 godina

Hell, Pristina couldn't put pressure on Mitrovica if it tried. We saw what happened in July 2011.. I don't need to tell you.
(Ari Gold, 24 December 2012 10:49)

Of course it couldn't put pressure on Mitrovica because according to Kosovo's Consitution Serbs there are free to manage their own local affairs and there is nothing that Pristina can do about it because Kosovo's Constitution can't change without Serbs' consent.

Mirel from Albania

pre 11 godina

Since serbs in Nothen Kosovo,according to Nikolic platforme, have the right to have an autonomus enitity within autonomus province of Kosovo, which is within Serbia,hungarians in Vojvodina can ask for the autonomus hungarian regions withing autonomus province of Vojvodina.And Hungary can have parallell structures in Vojvodina and provide hungarians there with security,helthcare,education etc etj.The same goes for slovaks in Serbia and bosniaks in Sanxhak.

Nikolic's plan will backfire.

Haitian

pre 11 godina

Well Haitian. What Pristina says or think is as you know totally irrelevant whatsoever.
The Kosovo thing is something between the International Community and Serbia.
No more no less.
Merry X-mass all Serbs from the Danish people !!
(Copenhagen, 24 December 2012 12:35)

I agree, it shouldn't even be reffered to the "Kosovo thing", it should be called the "Serbia thing" as it is Serbia which has the problem not Kosovo. We're fine, we're not really bothered about these talks.

And yes Serbia needs counciling from the International Community to come to terms with acceptance and Kosovo as a member of the International Comunity is willing to assist.

Albanian

pre 11 godina

@Ari

Clearly you are out of words when it comes to this issue. You bring up 2011, Like I told you many times before look at what happened in 2004 Serbs could not do anything more than sending in TV journalists to cover the whole period of March and watch the news in Serbia. With that being said Serbia is incapable of doing anything in Kosova by force.
Secondly, you are really a typical Serb who pretends to know what's really going on, you cannot even tell that USA and EU are mediators in this situation. When Serbia proposes something (Which is usually really entertaining such as this platform) Pristina rejects it that is where EU and USA step in as mediators to tell Serbia otherwise. Was that too hard to understand? Ari I'm really disappointed in you I thought you were much smarter with all that BS that you usually write around here. Apparently I was wrong "Surprise" You Serbs are really funny with these platforms written based on Serbian constitution that is 20+ Years ago lol WAKE UP SERBIA were about to enter 2013.

I suggest Serbia does what Montenegro has done Recognize Kosova and move on, Serbs are so hurt knowing the fact that they thought they had stolen Kosova and no one really paid much attention to it. Just when Serbs thought they had it all, they tried to wipe out all non-Serbians in former Yugoslavia and look at where that has gotten Serbia so far?
I guess we need Serbs like Ari in order for Serbia to keep shrinking.

AcaVeliki

pre 11 godina

Albanian, the Serbian people are not stupid, and no politician can play them. We see through the statements of the government, their lies and promises quite easily. But the fact remains, Serbs are willing to give up on their historic land in Kosovo i Metohija, politicians or not. Hence, never recognizing an independent Albanian State on its land. I do not understand why you, and other Albanians are so much smarter, and see through Serbian politicians, yet we, the Serbian citizens, do not. BTW, I can see through Hasim Thaci, and I can see that he is full of you know what.

Copenhagen

pre 11 godina

Well Haitian. What Pristina says or think is as you know totally irrelevant whatsoever.
The Kosovo thing is something between the International Community and Serbia.
No more no less.
Merry X-mass all Serbs from the Danish people !!

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

AriGold, Are you going to mention the "Temporary NATO Occupation"?

Save it I suggest you tell your boys Nikolic and Dacic to do the same. We all know this deal has been sealed long ago. Apparently USA and EU pressure can heavily influence the way Belgrade works, haha.

KEEP DREAMING SERBS
(Albanian, 24 December 2012 10:18)

Of course the pressure the West puts on Serbia's government works..who else is responsible for their personal wealth after all? What the hell was Dacic before a 'public servant'.. nothing. And of course these people will do what they are told because they want the money to keep coming in..what is your point?

The reality is for that reason, the West can put pressure on Serbia. But the undeniable truth that your insecure self cannot get passed (otherwise you would not post on b92) is that PRISTINA CANNOT PUT PRESSURE ON BELGRADE. Hell, Pristina couldn't put pressure on Mitrovica if it tried. We saw what happened in July 2011.. I don't need to tell you.

Its the West. Get over yourself. The West followed by Serbia and only after that the temporary occupational Islamic institutions are the legitimate power brokers in the Holy Province.

Haitian

pre 11 godina

Change it as much as you like, it has still been rejected by Prishtina therefore this "platform" isn't worth the paper it is written on!

Albanian

pre 11 godina

This is what happens when you have multiple politicians writing platforms, not one of them are the same. They all have their own version, at the end of the day they all know not one of theirs matters unless they know where they stand in reality. These platforms are to make Serbian citizens happy nothing more or less, for the sake of not causing riots in Belgrade. At the end of the day they all know what they have to do, recognize Kosova just the way it is without a doubt and move on. Dacic is playing Serbs just as Milosevic did, unfortunately for Dacic the world has caught up with Serbia's lies. All that is over now all they have to do is improve relations with their neighbors as much as they can and go about your business.

AriGold, Are you going to mention the "Temporary NATO Occupation"?

Save it I suggest you tell your boys Nikolic and Dacic to do the same. We all know this deal has been sealed long ago. Apparently USA and EU pressure can heavily influence the way Belgrade works, haha.

KEEP DREAMING SERBS

Haitian

pre 11 godina

Change it as much as you like, it has still been rejected by Prishtina therefore this "platform" isn't worth the paper it is written on!

Albanian

pre 11 godina

@Ari

Clearly you are out of words when it comes to this issue. You bring up 2011, Like I told you many times before look at what happened in 2004 Serbs could not do anything more than sending in TV journalists to cover the whole period of March and watch the news in Serbia. With that being said Serbia is incapable of doing anything in Kosova by force.
Secondly, you are really a typical Serb who pretends to know what's really going on, you cannot even tell that USA and EU are mediators in this situation. When Serbia proposes something (Which is usually really entertaining such as this platform) Pristina rejects it that is where EU and USA step in as mediators to tell Serbia otherwise. Was that too hard to understand? Ari I'm really disappointed in you I thought you were much smarter with all that BS that you usually write around here. Apparently I was wrong "Surprise" You Serbs are really funny with these platforms written based on Serbian constitution that is 20+ Years ago lol WAKE UP SERBIA were about to enter 2013.

I suggest Serbia does what Montenegro has done Recognize Kosova and move on, Serbs are so hurt knowing the fact that they thought they had stolen Kosova and no one really paid much attention to it. Just when Serbs thought they had it all, they tried to wipe out all non-Serbians in former Yugoslavia and look at where that has gotten Serbia so far?
I guess we need Serbs like Ari in order for Serbia to keep shrinking.

Mirel from Albania

pre 11 godina

Since serbs in Nothen Kosovo,according to Nikolic platforme, have the right to have an autonomus enitity within autonomus province of Kosovo, which is within Serbia,hungarians in Vojvodina can ask for the autonomus hungarian regions withing autonomus province of Vojvodina.And Hungary can have parallell structures in Vojvodina and provide hungarians there with security,helthcare,education etc etj.The same goes for slovaks in Serbia and bosniaks in Sanxhak.

Nikolic's plan will backfire.

Haitian

pre 11 godina

Well Haitian. What Pristina says or think is as you know totally irrelevant whatsoever.
The Kosovo thing is something between the International Community and Serbia.
No more no less.
Merry X-mass all Serbs from the Danish people !!
(Copenhagen, 24 December 2012 12:35)

I agree, it shouldn't even be reffered to the "Kosovo thing", it should be called the "Serbia thing" as it is Serbia which has the problem not Kosovo. We're fine, we're not really bothered about these talks.

And yes Serbia needs counciling from the International Community to come to terms with acceptance and Kosovo as a member of the International Comunity is willing to assist.

Albanian

pre 11 godina

This is what happens when you have multiple politicians writing platforms, not one of them are the same. They all have their own version, at the end of the day they all know not one of theirs matters unless they know where they stand in reality. These platforms are to make Serbian citizens happy nothing more or less, for the sake of not causing riots in Belgrade. At the end of the day they all know what they have to do, recognize Kosova just the way it is without a doubt and move on. Dacic is playing Serbs just as Milosevic did, unfortunately for Dacic the world has caught up with Serbia's lies. All that is over now all they have to do is improve relations with their neighbors as much as they can and go about your business.

AriGold, Are you going to mention the "Temporary NATO Occupation"?

Save it I suggest you tell your boys Nikolic and Dacic to do the same. We all know this deal has been sealed long ago. Apparently USA and EU pressure can heavily influence the way Belgrade works, haha.

KEEP DREAMING SERBS

Copenhagen

pre 11 godina

Well Haitian. What Pristina says or think is as you know totally irrelevant whatsoever.
The Kosovo thing is something between the International Community and Serbia.
No more no less.
Merry X-mass all Serbs from the Danish people !!

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

AriGold, Are you going to mention the "Temporary NATO Occupation"?

Save it I suggest you tell your boys Nikolic and Dacic to do the same. We all know this deal has been sealed long ago. Apparently USA and EU pressure can heavily influence the way Belgrade works, haha.

KEEP DREAMING SERBS
(Albanian, 24 December 2012 10:18)

Of course the pressure the West puts on Serbia's government works..who else is responsible for their personal wealth after all? What the hell was Dacic before a 'public servant'.. nothing. And of course these people will do what they are told because they want the money to keep coming in..what is your point?

The reality is for that reason, the West can put pressure on Serbia. But the undeniable truth that your insecure self cannot get passed (otherwise you would not post on b92) is that PRISTINA CANNOT PUT PRESSURE ON BELGRADE. Hell, Pristina couldn't put pressure on Mitrovica if it tried. We saw what happened in July 2011.. I don't need to tell you.

Its the West. Get over yourself. The West followed by Serbia and only after that the temporary occupational Islamic institutions are the legitimate power brokers in the Holy Province.

AcaVeliki

pre 11 godina

Albanian, the Serbian people are not stupid, and no politician can play them. We see through the statements of the government, their lies and promises quite easily. But the fact remains, Serbs are willing to give up on their historic land in Kosovo i Metohija, politicians or not. Hence, never recognizing an independent Albanian State on its land. I do not understand why you, and other Albanians are so much smarter, and see through Serbian politicians, yet we, the Serbian citizens, do not. BTW, I can see through Hasim Thaci, and I can see that he is full of you know what.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

(Albanian, 24 December 2012 14:59)

You really deserve no reply after that sick post you spewed all onto this page. You compared the Serbian people of Mitrovica's heroic victory over occupying terrorists trying to occupy even more land......to March 2004 Islamist pogroms in which Albanian men burned down the oldest buildings standing on Kosovo i Metohija (proof of who the Holy Province really belongs to), killed civilians and raped women.

Is that what you do 'Albanian' you glorify rape? Wouldn't surprise me, but in the real, non primitive world, that is considered disgusting. But regardless, thank you for your 'suggestions' for Serbia to legitimize the occupation. But they aren't really suggestions more a wishlist am I right?

Now why would such a recognition from Serbia be so important to you guys? Oh yeah, you live in Serbia after all.

No getting around it.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

Ari,

Keep on blaming the others/Wesr for your misfortunes and your crap polititiwns....It is not the mirror's fault for your look.....
(EA, 24 December 2012 12:23)

Actually I agree with you. It is our politicians fault. The reality is the ONLY thing Serbia cannot do is physically liberate Kosovo i Metohija for the time being and God knows that's not because any physical strength that the KLA possesses (ask Adem Jashari), as we see what happens when the Albanians fight battles in the Balkans without Western help..i.e. Mitrovica, Presevo, Macedonia......

It is our politicians fault I agree they are the cause. It was Serbia that accepted EULEX (it was pressured to because legally only Serbia can guarantee its legitimacy), it was Serbia that was pressured to rewrite the UN resolution over Kosovo i Metohija to soften the rhetoric...and these are all things Serbia's government agreed to.

So West, Hashim Thaci....they are nothing. Your biggest supporters for the temporary occupation are right in Belgrade. But the bright side of this means a true change of leadership in the capital can very well mean a reverse policy on the occupied province and a much harder life for the Albanian occupation.

We of course know what Serbs will pay for that don't we? 80 year old seniors, 14 year old girls, 100 to 1 mob attacks........Albo style baby!

ben

pre 11 godina

Well Haitian. What Pristina says or think is as you know totally irrelevant whatsoever.
The Kosovo thing is something between the International Community and Serbia.
No more no less.
Merry X-mass all Serbs from the Danish people !!
(Copenhagen, 24 December 2012 12:35)

so following your logic the international community can eventually decide something that is not in the interest of Kosova and then force that decision to Kosova as it is irrelevant actor right? Something that is doing successfully in Afghanistan or Iraq. But it will work in Kosova you say? You really think that intern. coomunity will repress Kosovars to impose them the agreement that they have reached with Serbis on behalv of Kosova??? neat. The colonial imes have long gone my dear....

Also why are you wishing for "Merry X-mass all Serbs from the Danish people" there are more Albanians that celebrate THIS Christmas than Serbs.

Common Sense

pre 11 godina

Who do you have in mind Ari? Serbia has had just about every politician of every stripe available since 1999, trying their hand in Kosova, with no luck in getting it back for you. Milosevic, Djindjic, Kostunica, Tadic, and finally Nikolic, none of them were able to get Kosova back to Serbia, no matter what kind of policy or platform they tried. So, unless you expect Czar Lazar to raise from the grave and fight for you, it doesn't seem you have many other options left.

And that's all you can hope for, to make the life harder for us? Reality sinking in, ain't it?

"100 to 1 mob attacks ..." Judging from the demographics, it seems pretty fair. You wanted a fair fight, right?

icj1

pre 11 godina

Hell, Pristina couldn't put pressure on Mitrovica if it tried. We saw what happened in July 2011.. I don't need to tell you.
(Ari Gold, 24 December 2012 10:49)

Of course it couldn't put pressure on Mitrovica because according to Kosovo's Consitution Serbs there are free to manage their own local affairs and there is nothing that Pristina can do about it because Kosovo's Constitution can't change without Serbs' consent.

icj1

pre 11 godina

Actually I agree with you. It is our politicians fault. The reality is the ONLY thing Serbia cannot do is physically liberate Kosovo i Metohija for the time being and God knows that's not because any physical strength that the KLA possesses (ask Adem Jashari), as we see what happens when the Albanians fight battles in the Balkans without Western help..i.e. Mitrovica, Presevo, Macedonia......
(Ari Gold, 24 December 2012 18:35)

I'm perplexed with the above... according to the CE of the B92 forums sj the West (NATO, US, EU, etc. etc.) are all p... and wind when it comes to fighting with Serbs so the West can't be the reason Serbia cannot physically liberate KiM.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Peggy

pre 11 godina

Nikolic's plan will backfire.
(Mirel from Albania, 24 December 2012 15:40)
==========================

When discussing Kosovo, why do you Albanians always include Vojvodina?
What has Vojvodina got to do with Kosovo?
This is just your wishful thinking hard at work, which is the only thing about you which is hard at work.

pss

pre 11 godina

As far as the EU and US is concerned, the US is now so far in debt it matter little now as they are beyond the point of no return and this business over the Republicans and Democrats quibbling over cuts (edge of financial cliff BS) is a mask over the real problem – foreign debt which is now over 17 trillion (includes States’ debt). The EU? Where do you start here? and Germany in recession.
(sj, 25 December 2012 09:48)
And Serbia's survival depends on donations from all of them, alas.
I don't understand someone commenting on how tough the cut of steak you have when they are anxiously waiting for whatever scraps you leave behind.

sj

pre 11 godina

(icj1, 24 December 2012 19:46)

Serbia can take matters into it hand, but here is the real problem my little intellectual friend, Serbia would then destroy all the good work it has done for the last couple of years in attracting much needed industry to its land and it would be declared as the aggressor so more isolation and more problems for its people.
Yes the Windbags would huff and puff and carry on about this or that and how Resolution 1244 would allow them to take matters in their own hands, except for Russia and China. Look at Syria; why hasn’t it taken action there? I wonder where Colon Powell is with his maps of Iraq opps! Syria?
If the windbags could use their military on Serbia they would do it tomorrow and there is no doubt about that at all, but that’s only a pipe dream.
Kosovo cannot survive on its own so all these talks are BS as you will have to bend to Belgrade in the end. Have a close look at Slovenia and Croatia today; you know the two richest states in the old Yugo which propped up Serbia; how quickly that BS has come to light.
As far as the EU and US is concerned, the US is now so far in debt it matter little now as they are beyond the point of no return and this business over the Republicans and Democrats quibbling over cuts (edge of financial cliff BS) is a mask over the real problem – foreign debt which is now over 17 trillion (includes States’ debt). The EU? Where do you start here? and Germany in recession.

Bilbao

pre 11 godina

Nikolic's plan will backfire.
(Mirel from Albania, 24 December 2012 15:40)
===…==

When discussing Kosovo, why do you Albanians always include Vojvodina?
What has Vojvodina got to do with Kosovo?
This is just your wishful thinking hard at work, which is the only thing about you which is hard at work.
(Peggy, 25 December 2012 07:49)

Its simple just like Serbs use the word other people in Kosovo Roma etc and in Serbia they do not take care of them they all ask for Asylum.

EA

pre 11 godina

There is no doubt that the Serbian president does not trust to its negotiating team. That is why he is saying the end of talks. Let's be a bit crazy and assume that the negotiations are going better tha expected. The outcome? The real outcome is my question....Serbia in EU blocking Kosovo entry.....))))

Steve B.

pre 11 godina

Change it as much as you like, it has still been rejected by Prishtina therefore this "platform" isn't worth the paper it is written on!
(Haitian, 24 December 2012 10:20)

And keep trying to claim independence. It is rejected by Serbia so your constitution is worth less than the paper it's written on. Serbs will not give its property to you land snatchers. Eventually you will lose your international help. Broke countries won't dump billions into that pit forever; with nothing in return except more terrorist attacks by Albanians.

sj

pre 11 godina

(pss, 25 December 2012 13:52)

You’re arguing from the point of “I don’t understand, but….”
The EU is not a bottomless pit of money. Why do you think Slovenia is in trouble? The aid has been drastically cut.
What little money the EU gave to Serbia only covered payment to politicians and their underlings to sing the praises of joining the EU so overall Serbia got little out of anyone with a few exceptions. All that talk of US/EU giving millions to Serbia only related to Kosovo and its up keep and nothing else.
Talking of scraps, Ian, UK mentioned that the US now had only 7.8% unemployment and that had me on the floor laughing. I’d be worried if I lived in the US because the price of essentials will sky rocket while your wages stagnate and in some cases go back.
As I said before the US is now beyond the point of no return.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

suggest Serbia does what Montenegro has done Recognize Kosova and move on, Serbs are so hurt knowing the fact that they thought they had stolen Kosova and no one really paid much attention to it. Just when Serbs thought they had it all, they tried to wipe out all non-Serbians in former Yugoslavia and look at where that has gotten Serbia so far?
I guess we need Serbs like Ari in order for Serbia to keep shrinking.
(Albanian, 24 December 2012 14:59)

Even if Serbia would shrink to 3 times less its size it would still be bigger than kosovo, bosnia and croatia altogether. Happy with that are you?You are the ones occupying serbian territory not the other way around. Keep twisting the truth and we will see what will happen one day when USA wont cover ur back anymore.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

AriGold, Are you going to mention the "Temporary NATO Occupation"?

Save it I suggest you tell your boys Nikolic and Dacic to do the same. We all know this deal has been sealed long ago. Apparently USA and EU pressure can heavily influence the way Belgrade works, haha.

KEEP DREAMING SERBS
(Albanian, 24 December 2012 10:18)

Of course the pressure the West puts on Serbia's government works..who else is responsible for their personal wealth after all? What the hell was Dacic before a 'public servant'.. nothing. And of course these people will do what they are told because they want the money to keep coming in..what is your point?

The reality is for that reason, the West can put pressure on Serbia. But the undeniable truth that your insecure self cannot get passed (otherwise you would not post on b92) is that PRISTINA CANNOT PUT PRESSURE ON BELGRADE. Hell, Pristina couldn't put pressure on Mitrovica if it tried. We saw what happened in July 2011.. I don't need to tell you.

Its the West. Get over yourself. The West followed by Serbia and only after that the temporary occupational Islamic institutions are the legitimate power brokers in the Holy Province.

Haitian

pre 11 godina

Change it as much as you like, it has still been rejected by Prishtina therefore this "platform" isn't worth the paper it is written on!

Albanian

pre 11 godina

This is what happens when you have multiple politicians writing platforms, not one of them are the same. They all have their own version, at the end of the day they all know not one of theirs matters unless they know where they stand in reality. These platforms are to make Serbian citizens happy nothing more or less, for the sake of not causing riots in Belgrade. At the end of the day they all know what they have to do, recognize Kosova just the way it is without a doubt and move on. Dacic is playing Serbs just as Milosevic did, unfortunately for Dacic the world has caught up with Serbia's lies. All that is over now all they have to do is improve relations with their neighbors as much as they can and go about your business.

AriGold, Are you going to mention the "Temporary NATO Occupation"?

Save it I suggest you tell your boys Nikolic and Dacic to do the same. We all know this deal has been sealed long ago. Apparently USA and EU pressure can heavily influence the way Belgrade works, haha.

KEEP DREAMING SERBS

Copenhagen

pre 11 godina

Well Haitian. What Pristina says or think is as you know totally irrelevant whatsoever.
The Kosovo thing is something between the International Community and Serbia.
No more no less.
Merry X-mass all Serbs from the Danish people !!

AcaVeliki

pre 11 godina

Albanian, the Serbian people are not stupid, and no politician can play them. We see through the statements of the government, their lies and promises quite easily. But the fact remains, Serbs are willing to give up on their historic land in Kosovo i Metohija, politicians or not. Hence, never recognizing an independent Albanian State on its land. I do not understand why you, and other Albanians are so much smarter, and see through Serbian politicians, yet we, the Serbian citizens, do not. BTW, I can see through Hasim Thaci, and I can see that he is full of you know what.

Haitian

pre 11 godina

Well Haitian. What Pristina says or think is as you know totally irrelevant whatsoever.
The Kosovo thing is something between the International Community and Serbia.
No more no less.
Merry X-mass all Serbs from the Danish people !!
(Copenhagen, 24 December 2012 12:35)

I agree, it shouldn't even be reffered to the "Kosovo thing", it should be called the "Serbia thing" as it is Serbia which has the problem not Kosovo. We're fine, we're not really bothered about these talks.

And yes Serbia needs counciling from the International Community to come to terms with acceptance and Kosovo as a member of the International Comunity is willing to assist.

Albanian

pre 11 godina

@Ari

Clearly you are out of words when it comes to this issue. You bring up 2011, Like I told you many times before look at what happened in 2004 Serbs could not do anything more than sending in TV journalists to cover the whole period of March and watch the news in Serbia. With that being said Serbia is incapable of doing anything in Kosova by force.
Secondly, you are really a typical Serb who pretends to know what's really going on, you cannot even tell that USA and EU are mediators in this situation. When Serbia proposes something (Which is usually really entertaining such as this platform) Pristina rejects it that is where EU and USA step in as mediators to tell Serbia otherwise. Was that too hard to understand? Ari I'm really disappointed in you I thought you were much smarter with all that BS that you usually write around here. Apparently I was wrong "Surprise" You Serbs are really funny with these platforms written based on Serbian constitution that is 20+ Years ago lol WAKE UP SERBIA were about to enter 2013.

I suggest Serbia does what Montenegro has done Recognize Kosova and move on, Serbs are so hurt knowing the fact that they thought they had stolen Kosova and no one really paid much attention to it. Just when Serbs thought they had it all, they tried to wipe out all non-Serbians in former Yugoslavia and look at where that has gotten Serbia so far?
I guess we need Serbs like Ari in order for Serbia to keep shrinking.

Mirel from Albania

pre 11 godina

Since serbs in Nothen Kosovo,according to Nikolic platforme, have the right to have an autonomus enitity within autonomus province of Kosovo, which is within Serbia,hungarians in Vojvodina can ask for the autonomus hungarian regions withing autonomus province of Vojvodina.And Hungary can have parallell structures in Vojvodina and provide hungarians there with security,helthcare,education etc etj.The same goes for slovaks in Serbia and bosniaks in Sanxhak.

Nikolic's plan will backfire.

ben

pre 11 godina

Well Haitian. What Pristina says or think is as you know totally irrelevant whatsoever.
The Kosovo thing is something between the International Community and Serbia.
No more no less.
Merry X-mass all Serbs from the Danish people !!
(Copenhagen, 24 December 2012 12:35)

so following your logic the international community can eventually decide something that is not in the interest of Kosova and then force that decision to Kosova as it is irrelevant actor right? Something that is doing successfully in Afghanistan or Iraq. But it will work in Kosova you say? You really think that intern. coomunity will repress Kosovars to impose them the agreement that they have reached with Serbis on behalv of Kosova??? neat. The colonial imes have long gone my dear....

Also why are you wishing for "Merry X-mass all Serbs from the Danish people" there are more Albanians that celebrate THIS Christmas than Serbs.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

(Albanian, 24 December 2012 14:59)

You really deserve no reply after that sick post you spewed all onto this page. You compared the Serbian people of Mitrovica's heroic victory over occupying terrorists trying to occupy even more land......to March 2004 Islamist pogroms in which Albanian men burned down the oldest buildings standing on Kosovo i Metohija (proof of who the Holy Province really belongs to), killed civilians and raped women.

Is that what you do 'Albanian' you glorify rape? Wouldn't surprise me, but in the real, non primitive world, that is considered disgusting. But regardless, thank you for your 'suggestions' for Serbia to legitimize the occupation. But they aren't really suggestions more a wishlist am I right?

Now why would such a recognition from Serbia be so important to you guys? Oh yeah, you live in Serbia after all.

No getting around it.

icj1

pre 11 godina

Hell, Pristina couldn't put pressure on Mitrovica if it tried. We saw what happened in July 2011.. I don't need to tell you.
(Ari Gold, 24 December 2012 10:49)

Of course it couldn't put pressure on Mitrovica because according to Kosovo's Consitution Serbs there are free to manage their own local affairs and there is nothing that Pristina can do about it because Kosovo's Constitution can't change without Serbs' consent.

icj1

pre 11 godina

Actually I agree with you. It is our politicians fault. The reality is the ONLY thing Serbia cannot do is physically liberate Kosovo i Metohija for the time being and God knows that's not because any physical strength that the KLA possesses (ask Adem Jashari), as we see what happens when the Albanians fight battles in the Balkans without Western help..i.e. Mitrovica, Presevo, Macedonia......
(Ari Gold, 24 December 2012 18:35)

I'm perplexed with the above... according to the CE of the B92 forums sj the West (NATO, US, EU, etc. etc.) are all p... and wind when it comes to fighting with Serbs so the West can't be the reason Serbia cannot physically liberate KiM.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

Ari,

Keep on blaming the others/Wesr for your misfortunes and your crap polititiwns....It is not the mirror's fault for your look.....
(EA, 24 December 2012 12:23)

Actually I agree with you. It is our politicians fault. The reality is the ONLY thing Serbia cannot do is physically liberate Kosovo i Metohija for the time being and God knows that's not because any physical strength that the KLA possesses (ask Adem Jashari), as we see what happens when the Albanians fight battles in the Balkans without Western help..i.e. Mitrovica, Presevo, Macedonia......

It is our politicians fault I agree they are the cause. It was Serbia that accepted EULEX (it was pressured to because legally only Serbia can guarantee its legitimacy), it was Serbia that was pressured to rewrite the UN resolution over Kosovo i Metohija to soften the rhetoric...and these are all things Serbia's government agreed to.

So West, Hashim Thaci....they are nothing. Your biggest supporters for the temporary occupation are right in Belgrade. But the bright side of this means a true change of leadership in the capital can very well mean a reverse policy on the occupied province and a much harder life for the Albanian occupation.

We of course know what Serbs will pay for that don't we? 80 year old seniors, 14 year old girls, 100 to 1 mob attacks........Albo style baby!

sj

pre 11 godina

(icj1, 24 December 2012 19:46)

Serbia can take matters into it hand, but here is the real problem my little intellectual friend, Serbia would then destroy all the good work it has done for the last couple of years in attracting much needed industry to its land and it would be declared as the aggressor so more isolation and more problems for its people.
Yes the Windbags would huff and puff and carry on about this or that and how Resolution 1244 would allow them to take matters in their own hands, except for Russia and China. Look at Syria; why hasn’t it taken action there? I wonder where Colon Powell is with his maps of Iraq opps! Syria?
If the windbags could use their military on Serbia they would do it tomorrow and there is no doubt about that at all, but that’s only a pipe dream.
Kosovo cannot survive on its own so all these talks are BS as you will have to bend to Belgrade in the end. Have a close look at Slovenia and Croatia today; you know the two richest states in the old Yugo which propped up Serbia; how quickly that BS has come to light.
As far as the EU and US is concerned, the US is now so far in debt it matter little now as they are beyond the point of no return and this business over the Republicans and Democrats quibbling over cuts (edge of financial cliff BS) is a mask over the real problem – foreign debt which is now over 17 trillion (includes States’ debt). The EU? Where do you start here? and Germany in recession.

Common Sense

pre 11 godina

Who do you have in mind Ari? Serbia has had just about every politician of every stripe available since 1999, trying their hand in Kosova, with no luck in getting it back for you. Milosevic, Djindjic, Kostunica, Tadic, and finally Nikolic, none of them were able to get Kosova back to Serbia, no matter what kind of policy or platform they tried. So, unless you expect Czar Lazar to raise from the grave and fight for you, it doesn't seem you have many other options left.

And that's all you can hope for, to make the life harder for us? Reality sinking in, ain't it?

"100 to 1 mob attacks ..." Judging from the demographics, it seems pretty fair. You wanted a fair fight, right?

Peggy

pre 11 godina

Nikolic's plan will backfire.
(Mirel from Albania, 24 December 2012 15:40)
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When discussing Kosovo, why do you Albanians always include Vojvodina?
What has Vojvodina got to do with Kosovo?
This is just your wishful thinking hard at work, which is the only thing about you which is hard at work.

Bilbao

pre 11 godina

Nikolic's plan will backfire.
(Mirel from Albania, 24 December 2012 15:40)
===…==

When discussing Kosovo, why do you Albanians always include Vojvodina?
What has Vojvodina got to do with Kosovo?
This is just your wishful thinking hard at work, which is the only thing about you which is hard at work.
(Peggy, 25 December 2012 07:49)

Its simple just like Serbs use the word other people in Kosovo Roma etc and in Serbia they do not take care of them they all ask for Asylum.

pss

pre 11 godina

As far as the EU and US is concerned, the US is now so far in debt it matter little now as they are beyond the point of no return and this business over the Republicans and Democrats quibbling over cuts (edge of financial cliff BS) is a mask over the real problem – foreign debt which is now over 17 trillion (includes States’ debt). The EU? Where do you start here? and Germany in recession.
(sj, 25 December 2012 09:48)
And Serbia's survival depends on donations from all of them, alas.
I don't understand someone commenting on how tough the cut of steak you have when they are anxiously waiting for whatever scraps you leave behind.

Steve B.

pre 11 godina

Change it as much as you like, it has still been rejected by Prishtina therefore this "platform" isn't worth the paper it is written on!
(Haitian, 24 December 2012 10:20)

And keep trying to claim independence. It is rejected by Serbia so your constitution is worth less than the paper it's written on. Serbs will not give its property to you land snatchers. Eventually you will lose your international help. Broke countries won't dump billions into that pit forever; with nothing in return except more terrorist attacks by Albanians.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

suggest Serbia does what Montenegro has done Recognize Kosova and move on, Serbs are so hurt knowing the fact that they thought they had stolen Kosova and no one really paid much attention to it. Just when Serbs thought they had it all, they tried to wipe out all non-Serbians in former Yugoslavia and look at where that has gotten Serbia so far?
I guess we need Serbs like Ari in order for Serbia to keep shrinking.
(Albanian, 24 December 2012 14:59)

Even if Serbia would shrink to 3 times less its size it would still be bigger than kosovo, bosnia and croatia altogether. Happy with that are you?You are the ones occupying serbian territory not the other way around. Keep twisting the truth and we will see what will happen one day when USA wont cover ur back anymore.

sj

pre 11 godina

(pss, 25 December 2012 13:52)

You’re arguing from the point of “I don’t understand, but….”
The EU is not a bottomless pit of money. Why do you think Slovenia is in trouble? The aid has been drastically cut.
What little money the EU gave to Serbia only covered payment to politicians and their underlings to sing the praises of joining the EU so overall Serbia got little out of anyone with a few exceptions. All that talk of US/EU giving millions to Serbia only related to Kosovo and its up keep and nothing else.
Talking of scraps, Ian, UK mentioned that the US now had only 7.8% unemployment and that had me on the floor laughing. I’d be worried if I lived in the US because the price of essentials will sky rocket while your wages stagnate and in some cases go back.
As I said before the US is now beyond the point of no return.

EA

pre 11 godina

There is no doubt that the Serbian president does not trust to its negotiating team. That is why he is saying the end of talks. Let's be a bit crazy and assume that the negotiations are going better tha expected. The outcome? The real outcome is my question....Serbia in EU blocking Kosovo entry.....))))