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Thursday, 06.12.2012.

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Weekly claims that SPC Synod "opposes state policy"

Serbian Orthodox Church (SPC) Holy Synod "has requested from the Serbian president and PM to reject the agreement on the integrated crossings management".

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Miroslav

pre 11 godina

@(azir, 6 December 2012 20:47)
Where do you suppose the indigenious natives came from?
Another planet or what?
Answer:
The indigenious natives came from Sicily with General George Maniakes 970yr ago ( April 1042yr. city Durres) This is 1-st time when Albo see Balkan, but not before that time. Your people need 30yr to stay in the Balkan to rich 1000yr. be prepare for big celebration by (2042) for shure will help you...Ok.

ben

pre 11 godina

@Jovan

SHQIPERIA IS WHAT THE WEST CALLS "ALBANIA".

SORT OF LIKE GREEKS CALL THEIR COUNTRY HELLASS........
(azir, 8 December 2012 00:10)

You brought Hellas=Greece example but he could've got that far by himself. Deutechalnd=Germany, Cymru=Wales, Magyar= Hungary and so one...

but now I will give him and to other uber-Serbian ignorants a big consipiracy theory hint: Scotts call their country in their language: Álbain.

Upssss... this is big one Jovo keep note: Albanians came in Kosova on 8th century from Scottland. Carrier: the Irish Ryan Air. Enjoy go with it now :)

icj1

pre 11 godina

@Ari Gold..the confused individual
Slavs confess to invading during the 6/7 century and yet they claim our lands were absent of any Shqiptars.As if they landed on the Moon with no one there to object to having their properties illegaly taken over.Where do you suppose the indigenious natives came from?
Another planet or what?
(azir, 6 December 2012 20:47)

No need to argue this point anymore since the only true Serb patriot in these forums, Peggy, has already clarified that Serbs were not the first thing in Kosovo.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Azir
What is a SHQIPTARE?
Country SHQIPTAREA is not in Europe...
Ignoring albo name switching to SHQIPTARE = Hillbilly = Nothing.
Have nice day..

thanasis

pre 11 godina

The only truly theocratic state in the world is the Vatican with the Pope as its head and cardinals as ministers. The Catholic church is the only institution that so openly combines secular and religious power, but that doesn't seem to bother anyone in here. Greece and Serbia are the only problems.

azir

pre 11 godina

What is a SHQIPTARE?

ALBANIAN................TO THE WEST

ARBERESH.................TO ITALIANS

ARNAUT.....................TO TURKS

ARVANITES.................TO GREEKS

We are indigenous,original natural and native UNLIKE ANYONE AROUND US.

Srboljub

pre 11 godina

@ Azir
"Italy occupation does not make me Italian." SICILIAN YES

"Turkish occupation does not make me Turkish." ARNAUT YES

German occupation does not make me German. YOU RIGTH..albo is cover today with 750.000 Concrete Bunkers congratulation.

"GET THE PICTURE?" Ok = 50% Albos is Sicilian, Other 50% Albos in Balkan when Turks see your people 1-st time did they call you "Arnaut". I'm sure you know this.. to be nice with them you com to be muslim.
Today Albo start moving East: destroying Kosovo church ( Over 250) but build same ammount Dzamija (250) nice pictures for 21st centuries. rigth. see yourself

azir

pre 11 godina

Italy occupation does not make me Italian.

Turkish occupation does not make me Turkish.

German occupation does not make me German.

GET THE PICTURE?

Srboljub

pre 11 godina

@ Azir
Greak Historian Anataliota is very clear with sentence that all Albanian are sitizens in the "Italian Region of Empire". Please read old book and you will found your original root.
Thanks
Be happy and have nice day...

azir

pre 11 godina

@arnaut

I suspect you researched and misunderstood information on indigenous native Shqiptares .......of which the West refers to "Albanians."

WIKIPEDIA clearly states that the "Albania" of the Caspian........if there ever was such of a nation is not to be confussed with MODERN DAY EUROPE SHQIPERIA also refered by the West to as "Albania".

Actually when we speak "Albanian" or Shqip we never use those letters
A L B A N I A IN OUR CONVERSATIONS.

Similar to confused Pilgrams that come to America in the 1600's and called the natives in North America "Indians" thinking their ships landed in the continent of India.

To this day North America natives are refered to as "Indians" and yet they have never been to India.

I bet a Slav Serb would take that the "Indians" of North America somehow originate from the continent of INDIA CAUSE EVERYONE CALLS THEM INDIANS

BUT WHEN THE NATIVES SPEAK IN THEIR NATIVE TONGUE "INDIAN" IS NEVER USED...IT'S NOT WHO THEY ARE............

azir

pre 11 godina

@Ari Gold..the confused individual
Slavs confess to invading during the 6/7 century and yet they claim our lands were absent of any Shqiptars.As if they landed on the Moon with no one there to object to having their properties illegaly taken over.Where do you suppose the indigenious natives came from?
Another planet or what?
Albania was occupied by German Nazi and at great risk of death we defended our honor by protecting Jewish refugees and residents.
NO JEW WAS TURNED IN.
And the Jewish Lobby is well awar of this FACT and Slavl Greek propaganda.

@Ataman
LIKE IT OR NOT CHAMS ARE ALBANIANS.
CHANGE THE RELIGION AND LANGUAGE BUT THE BLOOD THAT FLOWS THROUGH THEIR VAINS IS YOU KNOW WHAT...........
YOU CALL US "LOSERS"
HAAHAHAHAHAH
WHO IS IN KOSOVA AND IN WHAT SIDE OF THE FENCE (BORDER :) )
GO ASK THE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD OF ETHNIC KOSOVAR SERBS SETTLERS WHO THE REAL LOSERS ARE MY NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH...............

Arnaut

pre 11 godina

"Albanian Chams to this day don't have a right to return.
(azir, 6 December 2012 17:01)"
Kosovo is wrong and long way bro for return to your Original #1 Albania at Caspic Sea. you are start moving very slow from West to the East. From Sicily you stay at Balkan from 1142 sleaping to 1912 = 770 yr). Balkan Albo is just 100 yr old but you don't liked that. #2 Albo will be empty very soon do to moving to Serbian Kosovo & Makedonia). But Durres at Adriatic Sea is open for any Boat, do same return trip, as before to the Black Sea. Greaks or Serbs will stay far for that, without any interruption.

cry me a river

pre 11 godina

Gandolph there will strike Camp Bondsteel with his magic still and will make it perish!

Ataman, you talk about losers as if your kind are winners.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

We are living in Europe and not middle east or Africa. Get a grip on yourself. I could care less about towel heads.
(The truth, 6 December 2012 16:58)

Slavs are the biggest European ethnic group. Serbs, Russians, Poles all are religious people. We ARE Europe. Do not confuse Europe with the retarded freak project of the 'EU'. Europe is older than the EU and will be around upon the EU's inevitable demise.

My friend, we have always been European like it or not. And Europe's roots are Christian, only in the past few decades since the EU countries hijacked the term 'European' but Serbia has done more for European civilization than Albanians, Croatians or any other nation in the region.

Ataman

pre 11 godina

Albanian Chams to this day don't have a right to return.
(azir, 6 December 2012 17:01)

Albanian-speaking Greeks despise Albanians in Albania and Albanians in Kosovo and don't want to have anything in common with them. Take care about your problems, inshallah, Chams will care about them self without "Albanian" help.

Why is that - just look at jails all over in Europe, over-populated by Albanian-Albanian criminals. Chams and other Albanians in Greece and Ukraine don't want to have anything to do with you. Face the truth, losers.

thanasis

pre 11 godina

Greeks and Serbs had certain individuals that collaborated with the Nazis but we didn't collaborate with them as nations. The difference is huge. As nations we were both on the winning side after the end of WW2 because we fought against the Axis on the battlegrounds and we didn't discover communism in 1944 as other people did. Now let's go to the Muslim Albanian Chams of Thesprotia. Those were no more than 25.000 and at first they were included in the treaty of exchanging populations between Turkey and Greece in 1924. It was the Greek dictator Pagalos that excluded them from the treaty and kept them in Greece. And how exactly did they show their gratitude? They collaborated with Nazis and slaughtered the people Of Paramythia, committing one of the most hideous war crimes of WW2 in Greece. Their crime was so big that it was the Greek partizans that kicked them out of Greece and not some nationalist extremists. So save us the lecture on tolerance. We've been quite tolerant in the past and we paid for that dearly.

azir

pre 11 godina

"People of other faiths" are respect............

Where in Serbia when Slovenians and Croat Catholic were attacked.
When Moslems in Bosnia were eliminated emass......
And in Kosova were everyone but Serbs were illegaly deported in 1999.

Don't forget Greece that also claims to be religiously tolerant.

Albanian Chams to this day don't have a right to return.

And please save the Nazi collaboration excuse for someone else.

Greeks and Serbs had certain elements of Nazi collaboration.

Diogenies

pre 11 godina

@Azir ...its because in 1950 there were 250,000 Orthodox Christians in istanbul...today there are less then 1,800 ...in Syria 3 weeks ago an Orthodox Priest was Massacred by Muslim Extremists(his eyes were gouged out and a bomb was set off at his funeral killing more innocents) ...yet, regardless of how extremists treat us...people of other beliefs are safe with us...we will not separate because ,we would then become America and that's not for us...

The truth

pre 11 godina

WHY DOESN'T SERBIA AND GREECE FOLLOW AMERICA AND PRACTICE SEPAERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

Priest that get involved in politics is TOXIC.
(azir, 6 December 2012 15:39)

How many Muslim countries are asked to do the same thing? How many countries in the Middle East are constantly pressed on civil and social rights. In Saudi Arabia you will be hung for being gay and yet in Serbia and Russia its a gross violating of human rights for simply not sanctioning a sexually oriented public rally?

If the Church is important to the people then it is anti democratic to minimize the influence of that institution. Serbia, Russia & Greece are Orthodox states and don't need to meet no liberal absolutist view of how every society should look like.
(Ari Gold, 6 December 2012 16:23)

We are living in Europe and not middle east or Africa. Get a grip on yourself. I could care less about towel heads.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

WHY DOESN'T SERBIA AND GREECE FOLLOW AMERICA AND PRACTICE SEPAERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

Priest that get involved in politics is TOXIC.
(azir, 6 December 2012 15:39)

How many Muslim countries are asked to do the same thing? How many countries in the Middle East are constantly pressed on civil and social rights. In Saudi Arabia you will be hung for being gay and yet in Serbia and Russia its a gross violating of human rights for simply not sanctioning a sexually oriented public rally?

If the Church is important to the people then it is anti democratic to minimize the influence of that institution. Serbia, Russia & Greece are Orthodox states and don't need to meet no liberal absolutist view of how every society should look like.

azir

pre 11 godina

The "religious" Serb priest should say fight only for self-defense.

The priest should also say defend only your self and the land you live on not to go out and attacke all your neighbors.

Priest that wear too many hats are dangerous.

Instead of promoting intolerance,religious hatred and instability your priest need to warn that there is a HELL FOR GENOCIDE,WAR CRIMES AND CRIMES AND HUMANITY VIOLATORS.

azir

pre 11 godina

WHY DOESN'T SERBIA AND GREECE FOLLOW AMERICA AND PRACTICE SEPAERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

Priest that get involved in politics is TOXIC.

???

pre 11 godina

Aren't these the same "religious" leaders that BLESSED WAR CRIMINALS such as Mladic,Karadzic?

Please stop embarassing yourself any more than you already have.

You have no credibility at all.

Real religious people don't support what you supported in the past.
(azir, 6 December 2012 15:13)

I keep asking yet no ablo troll ever has the balls to answer me, but when a priest blesses a Serb going in to war, what do you think that priest is saying to the Serb?

Bugar from Skoplje

pre 11 godina

"their bird got nothing t=to do with our State of ALbanian land of Kosovo."
"(Naim, 6 December 2012 12:56)"
Reading your Comment, looks to me you don't liked " their bird", also original administrative province border you transfer to the "State of Albanian land of Kosovo" , Metohija is not on the maps any more. Oops..
your people com to the Balkan in mid 12-th century from Sicily ( George Maniacus 1142yr. Durres today Albanian city )
It's easy to use, other people land, or by pass truth, replacing
"Serbian Land of Kosovo" with common Radical Islam Statement. Be happy ..
Kosovo is Serbian Land.

azir

pre 11 godina

Aren't these the same "religious" leaders that BLESSED WAR CRIMINALS such as Mladic,Karadzic?

Please stop embarassing yourself any more than you already have.

You have no credibility at all.

Real religious people don't support what you supported in the past.

J

pre 11 godina

@Koko ...If you are Serbian Orthodox , then its your right too Comment about the Statements of The Synod ...if Not ,Then You are a Racist Bigot and you should shut your mouth. I might have my personal opinion about other beliefs, Philosophys etc. but I keep it too myself...I think we will be able to find common ground once we show a little civility too one another beliefs...
(Diogenies, 6 December 2012 12:18)

It's the other way around. Religion is a personal matter so keep all religion dogma to yourself. If religion decides to go public on matters that are not religious then there's no difference between a priest and a grave digger. Everything is fair game in that case. If they want to call on free speech then they cannot hide behind religion as others make use of free speech to dismantle their dogma.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

The Serbian Orthodox Church is the most trusted institution in Serbia, Republika Srpska and Montenegro (yes Montenegro-look it up). Surely they have the right to voice their own opinions just like every other group, especially liberal NGO's that get funds from the state budget who are not shy in their self hating anti-Serbism.

This should be big, the Orthodox Church needs to play a larger role in uniting like minded political parties (Dveri and DSS) into a united front against the Titoist plague in Belgrade that never left after the fall of communism.

The Church has every right to be concerned considering the fact that if the Albanian mainstream had it their way in Kosovo i Metohija, the next phase after complete ethnic cleansing of the province would follow cultural genocide by destroying the OLDEST BUILDINGS ON KOSOVO I METOHIJA- our Orthodox Churches & Monastery's. Only then could they truly rewrite history and cover up who the Holy Province truly belongs too.

Sa Verom u Boga

Naim

pre 11 godina

these fnatics hiding their fanatism behind their bird got nothing t=to do with our State of ALbanian land of Kosovo.you were the ones to bless all these qars in former Yug and poor Bosnia. in Kosovo you got what you wanted and that ws a biggg one.

Diogenies

pre 11 godina

@Koko ...If you are Serbian Orthodox , then its your right too Comment about the Statements of The Synod ...if Not ,Then You are a Racist Bigot and you should shut your mouth. I might have my personal opinion about other beliefs, Philosophys etc. but I keep it too myself...I think we will be able to find common ground once we show a little civility too one another beliefs...

koko

pre 11 godina

Parliaments and politicians try desperately to fool us that a "state" exists.

Just like this fanatics desperately cringe on imaginary wizards.

Both sides syphoning on the productive private sector of the poorest Serbs.

For 2012, this is a huge shame for all the world.

J

pre 11 godina

@Koko ...If you are Serbian Orthodox , then its your right too Comment about the Statements of The Synod ...if Not ,Then You are a Racist Bigot and you should shut your mouth. I might have my personal opinion about other beliefs, Philosophys etc. but I keep it too myself...I think we will be able to find common ground once we show a little civility too one another beliefs...
(Diogenies, 6 December 2012 12:18)

It's the other way around. Religion is a personal matter so keep all religion dogma to yourself. If religion decides to go public on matters that are not religious then there's no difference between a priest and a grave digger. Everything is fair game in that case. If they want to call on free speech then they cannot hide behind religion as others make use of free speech to dismantle their dogma.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

The Serbian Orthodox Church is the most trusted institution in Serbia, Republika Srpska and Montenegro (yes Montenegro-look it up). Surely they have the right to voice their own opinions just like every other group, especially liberal NGO's that get funds from the state budget who are not shy in their self hating anti-Serbism.

This should be big, the Orthodox Church needs to play a larger role in uniting like minded political parties (Dveri and DSS) into a united front against the Titoist plague in Belgrade that never left after the fall of communism.

The Church has every right to be concerned considering the fact that if the Albanian mainstream had it their way in Kosovo i Metohija, the next phase after complete ethnic cleansing of the province would follow cultural genocide by destroying the OLDEST BUILDINGS ON KOSOVO I METOHIJA- our Orthodox Churches & Monastery's. Only then could they truly rewrite history and cover up who the Holy Province truly belongs too.

Sa Verom u Boga

koko

pre 11 godina

Parliaments and politicians try desperately to fool us that a "state" exists.

Just like this fanatics desperately cringe on imaginary wizards.

Both sides syphoning on the productive private sector of the poorest Serbs.

For 2012, this is a huge shame for all the world.

Diogenies

pre 11 godina

@Koko ...If you are Serbian Orthodox , then its your right too Comment about the Statements of The Synod ...if Not ,Then You are a Racist Bigot and you should shut your mouth. I might have my personal opinion about other beliefs, Philosophys etc. but I keep it too myself...I think we will be able to find common ground once we show a little civility too one another beliefs...

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

WHY DOESN'T SERBIA AND GREECE FOLLOW AMERICA AND PRACTICE SEPAERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

Priest that get involved in politics is TOXIC.
(azir, 6 December 2012 15:39)

How many Muslim countries are asked to do the same thing? How many countries in the Middle East are constantly pressed on civil and social rights. In Saudi Arabia you will be hung for being gay and yet in Serbia and Russia its a gross violating of human rights for simply not sanctioning a sexually oriented public rally?

If the Church is important to the people then it is anti democratic to minimize the influence of that institution. Serbia, Russia & Greece are Orthodox states and don't need to meet no liberal absolutist view of how every society should look like.

Naim

pre 11 godina

these fnatics hiding their fanatism behind their bird got nothing t=to do with our State of ALbanian land of Kosovo.you were the ones to bless all these qars in former Yug and poor Bosnia. in Kosovo you got what you wanted and that ws a biggg one.

azir

pre 11 godina

Aren't these the same "religious" leaders that BLESSED WAR CRIMINALS such as Mladic,Karadzic?

Please stop embarassing yourself any more than you already have.

You have no credibility at all.

Real religious people don't support what you supported in the past.

Diogenies

pre 11 godina

@Azir ...its because in 1950 there were 250,000 Orthodox Christians in istanbul...today there are less then 1,800 ...in Syria 3 weeks ago an Orthodox Priest was Massacred by Muslim Extremists(his eyes were gouged out and a bomb was set off at his funeral killing more innocents) ...yet, regardless of how extremists treat us...people of other beliefs are safe with us...we will not separate because ,we would then become America and that's not for us...

The truth

pre 11 godina

WHY DOESN'T SERBIA AND GREECE FOLLOW AMERICA AND PRACTICE SEPAERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

Priest that get involved in politics is TOXIC.
(azir, 6 December 2012 15:39)

How many Muslim countries are asked to do the same thing? How many countries in the Middle East are constantly pressed on civil and social rights. In Saudi Arabia you will be hung for being gay and yet in Serbia and Russia its a gross violating of human rights for simply not sanctioning a sexually oriented public rally?

If the Church is important to the people then it is anti democratic to minimize the influence of that institution. Serbia, Russia & Greece are Orthodox states and don't need to meet no liberal absolutist view of how every society should look like.
(Ari Gold, 6 December 2012 16:23)

We are living in Europe and not middle east or Africa. Get a grip on yourself. I could care less about towel heads.

Bugar from Skoplje

pre 11 godina

"their bird got nothing t=to do with our State of ALbanian land of Kosovo."
"(Naim, 6 December 2012 12:56)"
Reading your Comment, looks to me you don't liked " their bird", also original administrative province border you transfer to the "State of Albanian land of Kosovo" , Metohija is not on the maps any more. Oops..
your people com to the Balkan in mid 12-th century from Sicily ( George Maniacus 1142yr. Durres today Albanian city )
It's easy to use, other people land, or by pass truth, replacing
"Serbian Land of Kosovo" with common Radical Islam Statement. Be happy ..
Kosovo is Serbian Land.

azir

pre 11 godina

WHY DOESN'T SERBIA AND GREECE FOLLOW AMERICA AND PRACTICE SEPAERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

Priest that get involved in politics is TOXIC.

azir

pre 11 godina

The "religious" Serb priest should say fight only for self-defense.

The priest should also say defend only your self and the land you live on not to go out and attacke all your neighbors.

Priest that wear too many hats are dangerous.

Instead of promoting intolerance,religious hatred and instability your priest need to warn that there is a HELL FOR GENOCIDE,WAR CRIMES AND CRIMES AND HUMANITY VIOLATORS.

thanasis

pre 11 godina

Greeks and Serbs had certain individuals that collaborated with the Nazis but we didn't collaborate with them as nations. The difference is huge. As nations we were both on the winning side after the end of WW2 because we fought against the Axis on the battlegrounds and we didn't discover communism in 1944 as other people did. Now let's go to the Muslim Albanian Chams of Thesprotia. Those were no more than 25.000 and at first they were included in the treaty of exchanging populations between Turkey and Greece in 1924. It was the Greek dictator Pagalos that excluded them from the treaty and kept them in Greece. And how exactly did they show their gratitude? They collaborated with Nazis and slaughtered the people Of Paramythia, committing one of the most hideous war crimes of WW2 in Greece. Their crime was so big that it was the Greek partizans that kicked them out of Greece and not some nationalist extremists. So save us the lecture on tolerance. We've been quite tolerant in the past and we paid for that dearly.

azir

pre 11 godina

"People of other faiths" are respect............

Where in Serbia when Slovenians and Croat Catholic were attacked.
When Moslems in Bosnia were eliminated emass......
And in Kosova were everyone but Serbs were illegaly deported in 1999.

Don't forget Greece that also claims to be religiously tolerant.

Albanian Chams to this day don't have a right to return.

And please save the Nazi collaboration excuse for someone else.

Greeks and Serbs had certain elements of Nazi collaboration.

cry me a river

pre 11 godina

Gandolph there will strike Camp Bondsteel with his magic still and will make it perish!

Ataman, you talk about losers as if your kind are winners.

Ataman

pre 11 godina

Albanian Chams to this day don't have a right to return.
(azir, 6 December 2012 17:01)

Albanian-speaking Greeks despise Albanians in Albania and Albanians in Kosovo and don't want to have anything in common with them. Take care about your problems, inshallah, Chams will care about them self without "Albanian" help.

Why is that - just look at jails all over in Europe, over-populated by Albanian-Albanian criminals. Chams and other Albanians in Greece and Ukraine don't want to have anything to do with you. Face the truth, losers.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

We are living in Europe and not middle east or Africa. Get a grip on yourself. I could care less about towel heads.
(The truth, 6 December 2012 16:58)

Slavs are the biggest European ethnic group. Serbs, Russians, Poles all are religious people. We ARE Europe. Do not confuse Europe with the retarded freak project of the 'EU'. Europe is older than the EU and will be around upon the EU's inevitable demise.

My friend, we have always been European like it or not. And Europe's roots are Christian, only in the past few decades since the EU countries hijacked the term 'European' but Serbia has done more for European civilization than Albanians, Croatians or any other nation in the region.

azir

pre 11 godina

@Ari Gold..the confused individual
Slavs confess to invading during the 6/7 century and yet they claim our lands were absent of any Shqiptars.As if they landed on the Moon with no one there to object to having their properties illegaly taken over.Where do you suppose the indigenious natives came from?
Another planet or what?
Albania was occupied by German Nazi and at great risk of death we defended our honor by protecting Jewish refugees and residents.
NO JEW WAS TURNED IN.
And the Jewish Lobby is well awar of this FACT and Slavl Greek propaganda.

@Ataman
LIKE IT OR NOT CHAMS ARE ALBANIANS.
CHANGE THE RELIGION AND LANGUAGE BUT THE BLOOD THAT FLOWS THROUGH THEIR VAINS IS YOU KNOW WHAT...........
YOU CALL US "LOSERS"
HAAHAHAHAHAH
WHO IS IN KOSOVA AND IN WHAT SIDE OF THE FENCE (BORDER :) )
GO ASK THE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD OF ETHNIC KOSOVAR SERBS SETTLERS WHO THE REAL LOSERS ARE MY NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH...............

???

pre 11 godina

Aren't these the same "religious" leaders that BLESSED WAR CRIMINALS such as Mladic,Karadzic?

Please stop embarassing yourself any more than you already have.

You have no credibility at all.

Real religious people don't support what you supported in the past.
(azir, 6 December 2012 15:13)

I keep asking yet no ablo troll ever has the balls to answer me, but when a priest blesses a Serb going in to war, what do you think that priest is saying to the Serb?

azir

pre 11 godina

@arnaut

I suspect you researched and misunderstood information on indigenous native Shqiptares .......of which the West refers to "Albanians."

WIKIPEDIA clearly states that the "Albania" of the Caspian........if there ever was such of a nation is not to be confussed with MODERN DAY EUROPE SHQIPERIA also refered by the West to as "Albania".

Actually when we speak "Albanian" or Shqip we never use those letters
A L B A N I A IN OUR CONVERSATIONS.

Similar to confused Pilgrams that come to America in the 1600's and called the natives in North America "Indians" thinking their ships landed in the continent of India.

To this day North America natives are refered to as "Indians" and yet they have never been to India.

I bet a Slav Serb would take that the "Indians" of North America somehow originate from the continent of INDIA CAUSE EVERYONE CALLS THEM INDIANS

BUT WHEN THE NATIVES SPEAK IN THEIR NATIVE TONGUE "INDIAN" IS NEVER USED...IT'S NOT WHO THEY ARE............

Srboljub

pre 11 godina

@ Azir
Greak Historian Anataliota is very clear with sentence that all Albanian are sitizens in the "Italian Region of Empire". Please read old book and you will found your original root.
Thanks
Be happy and have nice day...

Srboljub

pre 11 godina

@ Azir
"Italy occupation does not make me Italian." SICILIAN YES

"Turkish occupation does not make me Turkish." ARNAUT YES

German occupation does not make me German. YOU RIGTH..albo is cover today with 750.000 Concrete Bunkers congratulation.

"GET THE PICTURE?" Ok = 50% Albos is Sicilian, Other 50% Albos in Balkan when Turks see your people 1-st time did they call you "Arnaut". I'm sure you know this.. to be nice with them you com to be muslim.
Today Albo start moving East: destroying Kosovo church ( Over 250) but build same ammount Dzamija (250) nice pictures for 21st centuries. rigth. see yourself

Arnaut

pre 11 godina

"Albanian Chams to this day don't have a right to return.
(azir, 6 December 2012 17:01)"
Kosovo is wrong and long way bro for return to your Original #1 Albania at Caspic Sea. you are start moving very slow from West to the East. From Sicily you stay at Balkan from 1142 sleaping to 1912 = 770 yr). Balkan Albo is just 100 yr old but you don't liked that. #2 Albo will be empty very soon do to moving to Serbian Kosovo & Makedonia). But Durres at Adriatic Sea is open for any Boat, do same return trip, as before to the Black Sea. Greaks or Serbs will stay far for that, without any interruption.

thanasis

pre 11 godina

The only truly theocratic state in the world is the Vatican with the Pope as its head and cardinals as ministers. The Catholic church is the only institution that so openly combines secular and religious power, but that doesn't seem to bother anyone in here. Greece and Serbia are the only problems.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Azir
What is a SHQIPTARE?
Country SHQIPTAREA is not in Europe...
Ignoring albo name switching to SHQIPTARE = Hillbilly = Nothing.
Have nice day..

azir

pre 11 godina

Italy occupation does not make me Italian.

Turkish occupation does not make me Turkish.

German occupation does not make me German.

GET THE PICTURE?

icj1

pre 11 godina

@Ari Gold..the confused individual
Slavs confess to invading during the 6/7 century and yet they claim our lands were absent of any Shqiptars.As if they landed on the Moon with no one there to object to having their properties illegaly taken over.Where do you suppose the indigenious natives came from?
Another planet or what?
(azir, 6 December 2012 20:47)

No need to argue this point anymore since the only true Serb patriot in these forums, Peggy, has already clarified that Serbs were not the first thing in Kosovo.

Miroslav

pre 11 godina

@(azir, 6 December 2012 20:47)
Where do you suppose the indigenious natives came from?
Another planet or what?
Answer:
The indigenious natives came from Sicily with General George Maniakes 970yr ago ( April 1042yr. city Durres) This is 1-st time when Albo see Balkan, but not before that time. Your people need 30yr to stay in the Balkan to rich 1000yr. be prepare for big celebration by (2042) for shure will help you...Ok.

azir

pre 11 godina

What is a SHQIPTARE?

ALBANIAN................TO THE WEST

ARBERESH.................TO ITALIANS

ARNAUT.....................TO TURKS

ARVANITES.................TO GREEKS

We are indigenous,original natural and native UNLIKE ANYONE AROUND US.

ben

pre 11 godina

@Jovan

SHQIPERIA IS WHAT THE WEST CALLS "ALBANIA".

SORT OF LIKE GREEKS CALL THEIR COUNTRY HELLASS........
(azir, 8 December 2012 00:10)

You brought Hellas=Greece example but he could've got that far by himself. Deutechalnd=Germany, Cymru=Wales, Magyar= Hungary and so one...

but now I will give him and to other uber-Serbian ignorants a big consipiracy theory hint: Scotts call their country in their language: Álbain.

Upssss... this is big one Jovo keep note: Albanians came in Kosova on 8th century from Scottland. Carrier: the Irish Ryan Air. Enjoy go with it now :)

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

The Serbian Orthodox Church is the most trusted institution in Serbia, Republika Srpska and Montenegro (yes Montenegro-look it up). Surely they have the right to voice their own opinions just like every other group, especially liberal NGO's that get funds from the state budget who are not shy in their self hating anti-Serbism.

This should be big, the Orthodox Church needs to play a larger role in uniting like minded political parties (Dveri and DSS) into a united front against the Titoist plague in Belgrade that never left after the fall of communism.

The Church has every right to be concerned considering the fact that if the Albanian mainstream had it their way in Kosovo i Metohija, the next phase after complete ethnic cleansing of the province would follow cultural genocide by destroying the OLDEST BUILDINGS ON KOSOVO I METOHIJA- our Orthodox Churches & Monastery's. Only then could they truly rewrite history and cover up who the Holy Province truly belongs too.

Sa Verom u Boga

Ataman

pre 11 godina

Albanian Chams to this day don't have a right to return.
(azir, 6 December 2012 17:01)

Albanian-speaking Greeks despise Albanians in Albania and Albanians in Kosovo and don't want to have anything in common with them. Take care about your problems, inshallah, Chams will care about them self without "Albanian" help.

Why is that - just look at jails all over in Europe, over-populated by Albanian-Albanian criminals. Chams and other Albanians in Greece and Ukraine don't want to have anything to do with you. Face the truth, losers.

Diogenies

pre 11 godina

@Koko ...If you are Serbian Orthodox , then its your right too Comment about the Statements of The Synod ...if Not ,Then You are a Racist Bigot and you should shut your mouth. I might have my personal opinion about other beliefs, Philosophys etc. but I keep it too myself...I think we will be able to find common ground once we show a little civility too one another beliefs...

Bugar from Skoplje

pre 11 godina

"their bird got nothing t=to do with our State of ALbanian land of Kosovo."
"(Naim, 6 December 2012 12:56)"
Reading your Comment, looks to me you don't liked " their bird", also original administrative province border you transfer to the "State of Albanian land of Kosovo" , Metohija is not on the maps any more. Oops..
your people com to the Balkan in mid 12-th century from Sicily ( George Maniacus 1142yr. Durres today Albanian city )
It's easy to use, other people land, or by pass truth, replacing
"Serbian Land of Kosovo" with common Radical Islam Statement. Be happy ..
Kosovo is Serbian Land.

???

pre 11 godina

Aren't these the same "religious" leaders that BLESSED WAR CRIMINALS such as Mladic,Karadzic?

Please stop embarassing yourself any more than you already have.

You have no credibility at all.

Real religious people don't support what you supported in the past.
(azir, 6 December 2012 15:13)

I keep asking yet no ablo troll ever has the balls to answer me, but when a priest blesses a Serb going in to war, what do you think that priest is saying to the Serb?

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

WHY DOESN'T SERBIA AND GREECE FOLLOW AMERICA AND PRACTICE SEPAERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

Priest that get involved in politics is TOXIC.
(azir, 6 December 2012 15:39)

How many Muslim countries are asked to do the same thing? How many countries in the Middle East are constantly pressed on civil and social rights. In Saudi Arabia you will be hung for being gay and yet in Serbia and Russia its a gross violating of human rights for simply not sanctioning a sexually oriented public rally?

If the Church is important to the people then it is anti democratic to minimize the influence of that institution. Serbia, Russia & Greece are Orthodox states and don't need to meet no liberal absolutist view of how every society should look like.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

We are living in Europe and not middle east or Africa. Get a grip on yourself. I could care less about towel heads.
(The truth, 6 December 2012 16:58)

Slavs are the biggest European ethnic group. Serbs, Russians, Poles all are religious people. We ARE Europe. Do not confuse Europe with the retarded freak project of the 'EU'. Europe is older than the EU and will be around upon the EU's inevitable demise.

My friend, we have always been European like it or not. And Europe's roots are Christian, only in the past few decades since the EU countries hijacked the term 'European' but Serbia has done more for European civilization than Albanians, Croatians or any other nation in the region.

thanasis

pre 11 godina

Greeks and Serbs had certain individuals that collaborated with the Nazis but we didn't collaborate with them as nations. The difference is huge. As nations we were both on the winning side after the end of WW2 because we fought against the Axis on the battlegrounds and we didn't discover communism in 1944 as other people did. Now let's go to the Muslim Albanian Chams of Thesprotia. Those were no more than 25.000 and at first they were included in the treaty of exchanging populations between Turkey and Greece in 1924. It was the Greek dictator Pagalos that excluded them from the treaty and kept them in Greece. And how exactly did they show their gratitude? They collaborated with Nazis and slaughtered the people Of Paramythia, committing one of the most hideous war crimes of WW2 in Greece. Their crime was so big that it was the Greek partizans that kicked them out of Greece and not some nationalist extremists. So save us the lecture on tolerance. We've been quite tolerant in the past and we paid for that dearly.

koko

pre 11 godina

Parliaments and politicians try desperately to fool us that a "state" exists.

Just like this fanatics desperately cringe on imaginary wizards.

Both sides syphoning on the productive private sector of the poorest Serbs.

For 2012, this is a huge shame for all the world.

Diogenies

pre 11 godina

@Azir ...its because in 1950 there were 250,000 Orthodox Christians in istanbul...today there are less then 1,800 ...in Syria 3 weeks ago an Orthodox Priest was Massacred by Muslim Extremists(his eyes were gouged out and a bomb was set off at his funeral killing more innocents) ...yet, regardless of how extremists treat us...people of other beliefs are safe with us...we will not separate because ,we would then become America and that's not for us...

The truth

pre 11 godina

WHY DOESN'T SERBIA AND GREECE FOLLOW AMERICA AND PRACTICE SEPAERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

Priest that get involved in politics is TOXIC.
(azir, 6 December 2012 15:39)

How many Muslim countries are asked to do the same thing? How many countries in the Middle East are constantly pressed on civil and social rights. In Saudi Arabia you will be hung for being gay and yet in Serbia and Russia its a gross violating of human rights for simply not sanctioning a sexually oriented public rally?

If the Church is important to the people then it is anti democratic to minimize the influence of that institution. Serbia, Russia & Greece are Orthodox states and don't need to meet no liberal absolutist view of how every society should look like.
(Ari Gold, 6 December 2012 16:23)

We are living in Europe and not middle east or Africa. Get a grip on yourself. I could care less about towel heads.

azir

pre 11 godina

"People of other faiths" are respect............

Where in Serbia when Slovenians and Croat Catholic were attacked.
When Moslems in Bosnia were eliminated emass......
And in Kosova were everyone but Serbs were illegaly deported in 1999.

Don't forget Greece that also claims to be religiously tolerant.

Albanian Chams to this day don't have a right to return.

And please save the Nazi collaboration excuse for someone else.

Greeks and Serbs had certain elements of Nazi collaboration.

Miroslav

pre 11 godina

@(azir, 6 December 2012 20:47)
Where do you suppose the indigenious natives came from?
Another planet or what?
Answer:
The indigenious natives came from Sicily with General George Maniakes 970yr ago ( April 1042yr. city Durres) This is 1-st time when Albo see Balkan, but not before that time. Your people need 30yr to stay in the Balkan to rich 1000yr. be prepare for big celebration by (2042) for shure will help you...Ok.

Naim

pre 11 godina

these fnatics hiding their fanatism behind their bird got nothing t=to do with our State of ALbanian land of Kosovo.you were the ones to bless all these qars in former Yug and poor Bosnia. in Kosovo you got what you wanted and that ws a biggg one.

azir

pre 11 godina

WHY DOESN'T SERBIA AND GREECE FOLLOW AMERICA AND PRACTICE SEPAERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

Priest that get involved in politics is TOXIC.

Arnaut

pre 11 godina

"Albanian Chams to this day don't have a right to return.
(azir, 6 December 2012 17:01)"
Kosovo is wrong and long way bro for return to your Original #1 Albania at Caspic Sea. you are start moving very slow from West to the East. From Sicily you stay at Balkan from 1142 sleaping to 1912 = 770 yr). Balkan Albo is just 100 yr old but you don't liked that. #2 Albo will be empty very soon do to moving to Serbian Kosovo & Makedonia). But Durres at Adriatic Sea is open for any Boat, do same return trip, as before to the Black Sea. Greaks or Serbs will stay far for that, without any interruption.

azir

pre 11 godina

Aren't these the same "religious" leaders that BLESSED WAR CRIMINALS such as Mladic,Karadzic?

Please stop embarassing yourself any more than you already have.

You have no credibility at all.

Real religious people don't support what you supported in the past.

azir

pre 11 godina

The "religious" Serb priest should say fight only for self-defense.

The priest should also say defend only your self and the land you live on not to go out and attacke all your neighbors.

Priest that wear too many hats are dangerous.

Instead of promoting intolerance,religious hatred and instability your priest need to warn that there is a HELL FOR GENOCIDE,WAR CRIMES AND CRIMES AND HUMANITY VIOLATORS.

Srboljub

pre 11 godina

@ Azir
"Italy occupation does not make me Italian." SICILIAN YES

"Turkish occupation does not make me Turkish." ARNAUT YES

German occupation does not make me German. YOU RIGTH..albo is cover today with 750.000 Concrete Bunkers congratulation.

"GET THE PICTURE?" Ok = 50% Albos is Sicilian, Other 50% Albos in Balkan when Turks see your people 1-st time did they call you "Arnaut". I'm sure you know this.. to be nice with them you com to be muslim.
Today Albo start moving East: destroying Kosovo church ( Over 250) but build same ammount Dzamija (250) nice pictures for 21st centuries. rigth. see yourself

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Azir
What is a SHQIPTARE?
Country SHQIPTAREA is not in Europe...
Ignoring albo name switching to SHQIPTARE = Hillbilly = Nothing.
Have nice day..

azir

pre 11 godina

Italy occupation does not make me Italian.

Turkish occupation does not make me Turkish.

German occupation does not make me German.

GET THE PICTURE?

azir

pre 11 godina

What is a SHQIPTARE?

ALBANIAN................TO THE WEST

ARBERESH.................TO ITALIANS

ARNAUT.....................TO TURKS

ARVANITES.................TO GREEKS

We are indigenous,original natural and native UNLIKE ANYONE AROUND US.

J

pre 11 godina

@Koko ...If you are Serbian Orthodox , then its your right too Comment about the Statements of The Synod ...if Not ,Then You are a Racist Bigot and you should shut your mouth. I might have my personal opinion about other beliefs, Philosophys etc. but I keep it too myself...I think we will be able to find common ground once we show a little civility too one another beliefs...
(Diogenies, 6 December 2012 12:18)

It's the other way around. Religion is a personal matter so keep all religion dogma to yourself. If religion decides to go public on matters that are not religious then there's no difference between a priest and a grave digger. Everything is fair game in that case. If they want to call on free speech then they cannot hide behind religion as others make use of free speech to dismantle their dogma.

azir

pre 11 godina

@Ari Gold..the confused individual
Slavs confess to invading during the 6/7 century and yet they claim our lands were absent of any Shqiptars.As if they landed on the Moon with no one there to object to having their properties illegaly taken over.Where do you suppose the indigenious natives came from?
Another planet or what?
Albania was occupied by German Nazi and at great risk of death we defended our honor by protecting Jewish refugees and residents.
NO JEW WAS TURNED IN.
And the Jewish Lobby is well awar of this FACT and Slavl Greek propaganda.

@Ataman
LIKE IT OR NOT CHAMS ARE ALBANIANS.
CHANGE THE RELIGION AND LANGUAGE BUT THE BLOOD THAT FLOWS THROUGH THEIR VAINS IS YOU KNOW WHAT...........
YOU CALL US "LOSERS"
HAAHAHAHAHAH
WHO IS IN KOSOVA AND IN WHAT SIDE OF THE FENCE (BORDER :) )
GO ASK THE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD OF ETHNIC KOSOVAR SERBS SETTLERS WHO THE REAL LOSERS ARE MY NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH...............

azir

pre 11 godina

@arnaut

I suspect you researched and misunderstood information on indigenous native Shqiptares .......of which the West refers to "Albanians."

WIKIPEDIA clearly states that the "Albania" of the Caspian........if there ever was such of a nation is not to be confussed with MODERN DAY EUROPE SHQIPERIA also refered by the West to as "Albania".

Actually when we speak "Albanian" or Shqip we never use those letters
A L B A N I A IN OUR CONVERSATIONS.

Similar to confused Pilgrams that come to America in the 1600's and called the natives in North America "Indians" thinking their ships landed in the continent of India.

To this day North America natives are refered to as "Indians" and yet they have never been to India.

I bet a Slav Serb would take that the "Indians" of North America somehow originate from the continent of INDIA CAUSE EVERYONE CALLS THEM INDIANS

BUT WHEN THE NATIVES SPEAK IN THEIR NATIVE TONGUE "INDIAN" IS NEVER USED...IT'S NOT WHO THEY ARE............

Srboljub

pre 11 godina

@ Azir
Greak Historian Anataliota is very clear with sentence that all Albanian are sitizens in the "Italian Region of Empire". Please read old book and you will found your original root.
Thanks
Be happy and have nice day...

cry me a river

pre 11 godina

Gandolph there will strike Camp Bondsteel with his magic still and will make it perish!

Ataman, you talk about losers as if your kind are winners.

thanasis

pre 11 godina

The only truly theocratic state in the world is the Vatican with the Pope as its head and cardinals as ministers. The Catholic church is the only institution that so openly combines secular and religious power, but that doesn't seem to bother anyone in here. Greece and Serbia are the only problems.

ben

pre 11 godina

@Jovan

SHQIPERIA IS WHAT THE WEST CALLS "ALBANIA".

SORT OF LIKE GREEKS CALL THEIR COUNTRY HELLASS........
(azir, 8 December 2012 00:10)

You brought Hellas=Greece example but he could've got that far by himself. Deutechalnd=Germany, Cymru=Wales, Magyar= Hungary and so one...

but now I will give him and to other uber-Serbian ignorants a big consipiracy theory hint: Scotts call their country in their language: Álbain.

Upssss... this is big one Jovo keep note: Albanians came in Kosova on 8th century from Scottland. Carrier: the Irish Ryan Air. Enjoy go with it now :)

icj1

pre 11 godina

@Ari Gold..the confused individual
Slavs confess to invading during the 6/7 century and yet they claim our lands were absent of any Shqiptars.As if they landed on the Moon with no one there to object to having their properties illegaly taken over.Where do you suppose the indigenious natives came from?
Another planet or what?
(azir, 6 December 2012 20:47)

No need to argue this point anymore since the only true Serb patriot in these forums, Peggy, has already clarified that Serbs were not the first thing in Kosovo.