EU to urge restraint after Palestinian UN vote

The EU statement would urge the Palestinian authority to show restraint and avoid turning to legal recourse over the conflict because that would close the doors to negotiation,” he said

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Its' the same EU bureaucrats that closed their eyes and even encouraged the Israeli never ending land theft and crimes against the Palestinians in the past 60 odd years.

Israel is scared of Palestine getting an improved status inside the UN as it will give Palestine the right to hold Israel responsible for it's war crimes in the International Criminal Court.

(Ian, UK, 28 November 2012 16:06)

Do you mean the same court that held Bush and Blair liable for the genocide they committed in Iraq ?

Israel is scared of Palestine getting an improved status inside the UN as it will give Palestine the right to hold Israel responsible for it's war crimes in the International Criminal Court.

No longer will the Israeli Defence Force get away scot-free for blowing up women, children, hospitals, schools ect whilst telling the media "We have the right to defend ourselves" and occasionally playing the Holocaust Card. Israel will now have to answer for it's crimes. Hopefully this will force Israel into negotiating with Palestine, into properly establishing a Palestinian State based on proper borders; instead of Israel's really biased and pathetic attempt at proposing a Palestinian state.

Do you mean the same court that held Bush and Blair liable for the genocide they committed in Iraq ?
(Leonidas, 28 November 2012 16:35)

I think Iraq should have reffered the UK and US to the ICC for War Crimes and I for one would love to see Bush and Blair rotting behind bars in the Hague.

Yes many innocent civilians died during the UK-US invasion of Iraq, with the indiscriminate bombing of built up civilian areas, but genocide? No. There wasn't systematic killings based on ethnicity/ race, with the intention of whiping out an ethnic group in a specific area. Race and ethnicity had nothing to do with the War in Iaq.

That is the problem with you nationalist people in the Balkans, you're obsessed with race and ethnicity; and every time someone is murdered you scream the word "genocide". You have no understanding of the phrase.

The War in Iaq was based on regime change and the thirst for natural gas/ oil. And to provide a massive distraction for the media in the West so that Politicians could get upto other evils without being noticed and they wanted to prove to the world that their manufactured "War on Terrorism" was real.

That is the problem with you nationalist people in the Balkans, you're obsessed with race and ethnicity; and every time someone is murdered you scream the word "genocide". You have no understanding of the phrase.

(Ian, UK, 28 November 2012 17:23)



It is the NATO West that has adopted the word “Genocide” and uses it freely against any country it wants to attack. Serbs rarely use it.

After 95% of Serbs were exterminated from the new EU-monster state, Croatia, few mentioned genocide.

When Serbs were expelled en mass from Sarajevo – again no mention of genocide.

Kosovo has been virtually cleansed of Serbs, and again I do not hear the genocide word.

The problem with you internationalist types in the West is that you are first and foremost a band of hypocrites.

There's no doubt that Israel has a lot to answer for in Palestine. Building settlements is no way to building trust. Having said that, it is undeniable that a lot of Israel's neighbors harbor genocidal thoughts towards Israel and its people. Hamas has to recognize the right of Israel to exist as a state

That is the problem with you nationalist people in the Balkans, you're obsessed with race and ethnicity; and every time someone is murdered you scream the word "genocide". You have no understanding of the phrase.

The War in Iaq was based on regime change and the thirst for natural gas/ oil. And to provide a massive distraction for the media in the West so that Politicians could get upto other evils without being noticed and they wanted to prove to the world that their manufactured "War on Terrorism" was real.
(Ian, UK, 28 November 2012 17:23)

One only has to look at past articles in B92 on "Greater Albania" to see who is a nationalist or not and who's got eyes on Balkan lands and it's certainly not the Greeks.Now if one uses the fatality figures produced by the UN on Kosovo it shows that the number of dead Albanians and Serbs were pretty equal(app 2800)which according to you Albanians constitute genocide but the 1 million dead in Iraq does not and neither the 250000 + in Afganistan- not to mention the torture of civilians (especially the British soldiers that cut the fingers of Afganis and collected them for souvenirs).But yet again,being a SOCIALIST as you have publicly proclaimed,the war in Afganistan is a good war (Nick Clegg says so).

(Ian, UK, 29 November 2012 00:20)

The concept of " Greater Albania" is not an invention of B92 but a project firmly espoused by all Albanian political leaders.It was two days ago that Berisha during the celebrations of Albanian independence talked about the unification of all Albanians which of course didn't go down well with Albania's neighbours( Fyrom's president cancelled his planned visit to Albania).

With regard to UN report on fatalities in Kosovo I am referring to the statement the UN prosecutor Carla Dl Ponte made to the security council.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/koso-n13.shtml
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/200005--.htm

I am surprised that you plead ignorance to the fact that Albanians use the term "genocide" to describe the fatalities in Kosovo.You do know of course the Kosovo narrative was built on outright lies by war criminals Clinton,Blair Albright et al.

I love to hear how Bush's and Blair's apologists try to hide the real facts from the Iraqi invasion(mind you I have't read a single comment posted by Albanians criticising either Blair or Bush).You've probably forgotten the bombing of Fallujah by US and British forces ending with most of the city flattened and thousands of Iaqis dead.What about the Abu Ghraib prison where thousands of Iraqis were sexually abused by the civilised West? I can go on and on and prove to you that you're just a hypocrite that uses words "democracy" and "human rights" without understanding its true meaning.

(Ian, UK, 29 November 2012 13:37)

The Human Rights Watch does not present any reports to the UN security council but the UN special prosecutor does.Although Del Ponte's figures might have been provinciaal it suffices to say that most of the UN and FBI teams searching for graves since the report left Kosovo empty handed.

The reason that I called you a hypocrite is because your position changes according to the conflict.I,unlike yourself, always took the view that there is no such a thing called good invasion and therefore all Western crusades in Middle East are the same,the end is the same and therefore I condemn them.

With the same token I have always condemned the actions of Israel against the Palestinians and Turkey's against the Kurds and continue to do so.One doesn't give discounts to his beliefs.

(Leonidas, 28 November 2012 20:06)

Yes Serbian media loves to fearmonger about a "Greater Albania", but let us not forget it was a "Greater Serbia" that was all the rave in the previous decades.

I'd love for you to produce these "UN figures" because most reliable sources give 3,800-8,000 KLA deaths and around 13,000 K-Albanian civilian deaths. And 5,000 Yugoslav Police and Soldiers killed by KLA and NATO.

Also I for one have never said there was genocide in Kosovo, because there wasn't.

I love how you try and justify things to make the West seem worse than they actually are. Yes that many Iraqis have died throughout the Iraq War. But the vast majority of which were not at the hands of US and UK soldiers.

The West's deposition of the Hussain regime triggered a Civil (Sectarian) War in Iraq, which resulted in the huge losses of life in Iraq. In the dark period of the Iraq (Civil) War, when there were daily suicide bombings across the country; the west were not directly to blame, the West's actions had indirect consequences.

And yes the Geneva Convention was violated by US and UK soldiers, no doubt about it. However these were individual separate cases and not orders from above; it has been seen that those involved have been punished.

And yes I believe Afghanistan to be justifiable despite it being un-winnable. Better to try and fail then not try at all.

And no I'm not a "socialist", I believe in Social-Liberal Democracy. Key word being "believe".

It is the NATO West that has adopted the word “Genocide” and uses it freely against any country it wants to attack. Serbs rarely use it.

After 95% of Serbs were exterminated from the new EU-monster state, Croatia, few mentioned genocide.

When Serbs were expelled en mass from Sarajevo – again no mention of genocide.

Kosovo has been virtually cleansed of Serbs, and again I do not hear the genocide word.

The problem with you internationalist types in the West is that you are first and foremost a band of hypocrites.
(Michael Thomas, 28 November 2012 19:32)

According to Serbian sources 2,344 Serb civilians died in Croatia during the War. Also 150,000 - 180,000 Serb civilians remained in Croatia following Operation Storm. That 95% figure is BS.

Sarejavo was under siege for three years, the longest any city has been in modern history. Many many people left the city during the War. Eastern Bosnia was cleansed of Bosniaks.

There were 191,000 Serbs in Kosovo in 1991 and there are 150,000 now. Now compare that to the Albanians who fled Kosovo in this period. There are 500,000 K-Albanians from Kosovo who moved to Switzerland and Germany due to the oppression of Albanians and the affects of the Kosovo War.

(Leonidas, 29 November 2012 12:01)

They aren't UN figures, they're Carla Dl Ponte's figures. Them figures were never accepted by the UN, besides they're very premature figures.

"to date unearthed 2,108 bodies in Kosovo." :13 November 1999

The word "unearthed" is important and so is the date. As many graves have been found since and there are believed to be graves still "unearthed".

Also "As of July 2001, the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) had exhumed approximately 4,300 bodies" according to the Human Rights Watch. http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword.htm

In Pristina the UNMIK/ ICTY has massive libaries of thousands of unidentified bodies from the Kosovo War.

I never said that Albanians don't use the word "genocide" when describing their lost ones. Please quote me and prove me wrong. I only said that I don't consider genocide to have taken place. Again please prove me wrong.

And Yes them 500,000 figures from early 1999 are false.

"You've probably forgotten the bombing of Fallujah by US and British forces ending with most of the city flattened and thousands of Iaqis dead." No I condemn it.

"What about the Abu Ghraib prison where thousands of Iraqis were sexually abused by the civilised West?" I also condemn it.

How am I a hypocrite when using the words "democracy" and "human rights"? I'm not asking you to prove the US and UK of being hypocrites, I'm asking how I as a person am a hypocrite.

Israel is scared of Palestine getting an improved status inside the UN as it will give Palestine the right to hold Israel responsible for it's war crimes in the International Criminal Court.

No longer will the Israeli Defence Force get away scot-free for blowing up women, children, hospitals, schools ect whilst telling the media "We have the right to defend ourselves" and occasionally playing the Holocaust Card. Israel will now have to answer for it's crimes. Hopefully this will force Israel into negotiating with Palestine, into properly establishing a Palestinian State based on proper borders; instead of Israel's really biased and pathetic attempt at proposing a Palestinian state.

There's no doubt that Israel has a lot to answer for in Palestine. Building settlements is no way to building trust. Having said that, it is undeniable that a lot of Israel's neighbors harbor genocidal thoughts towards Israel and its people. Hamas has to recognize the right of Israel to exist as a state

Do you mean the same court that held Bush and Blair liable for the genocide they committed in Iraq ?
(Leonidas, 28 November 2012 16:35)

I think Iraq should have reffered the UK and US to the ICC for War Crimes and I for one would love to see Bush and Blair rotting behind bars in the Hague.

Yes many innocent civilians died during the UK-US invasion of Iraq, with the indiscriminate bombing of built up civilian areas, but genocide? No. There wasn't systematic killings based on ethnicity/ race, with the intention of whiping out an ethnic group in a specific area. Race and ethnicity had nothing to do with the War in Iaq.

That is the problem with you nationalist people in the Balkans, you're obsessed with race and ethnicity; and every time someone is murdered you scream the word "genocide". You have no understanding of the phrase.

The War in Iaq was based on regime change and the thirst for natural gas/ oil. And to provide a massive distraction for the media in the West so that Politicians could get upto other evils without being noticed and they wanted to prove to the world that their manufactured "War on Terrorism" was real.

That is the problem with you nationalist people in the Balkans, you're obsessed with race and ethnicity; and every time someone is murdered you scream the word "genocide". You have no understanding of the phrase.

The War in Iaq was based on regime change and the thirst for natural gas/ oil. And to provide a massive distraction for the media in the West so that Politicians could get upto other evils without being noticed and they wanted to prove to the world that their manufactured "War on Terrorism" was real.
(Ian, UK, 28 November 2012 17:23)

One only has to look at past articles in B92 on "Greater Albania" to see who is a nationalist or not and who's got eyes on Balkan lands and it's certainly not the Greeks.Now if one uses the fatality figures produced by the UN on Kosovo it shows that the number of dead Albanians and Serbs were pretty equal(app 2800)which according to you Albanians constitute genocide but the 1 million dead in Iraq does not and neither the 250000 + in Afganistan- not to mention the torture of civilians (especially the British soldiers that cut the fingers of Afganis and collected them for souvenirs).But yet again,being a SOCIALIST as you have publicly proclaimed,the war in Afganistan is a good war (Nick Clegg says so).

That is the problem with you nationalist people in the Balkans, you're obsessed with race and ethnicity; and every time someone is murdered you scream the word "genocide". You have no understanding of the phrase.

(Ian, UK, 28 November 2012 17:23)



It is the NATO West that has adopted the word “Genocide” and uses it freely against any country it wants to attack. Serbs rarely use it.

After 95% of Serbs were exterminated from the new EU-monster state, Croatia, few mentioned genocide.

When Serbs were expelled en mass from Sarajevo – again no mention of genocide.

Kosovo has been virtually cleansed of Serbs, and again I do not hear the genocide word.

The problem with you internationalist types in the West is that you are first and foremost a band of hypocrites.

(Leonidas, 28 November 2012 20:06)

Yes Serbian media loves to fearmonger about a "Greater Albania", but let us not forget it was a "Greater Serbia" that was all the rave in the previous decades.

I'd love for you to produce these "UN figures" because most reliable sources give 3,800-8,000 KLA deaths and around 13,000 K-Albanian civilian deaths. And 5,000 Yugoslav Police and Soldiers killed by KLA and NATO.

Also I for one have never said there was genocide in Kosovo, because there wasn't.

I love how you try and justify things to make the West seem worse than they actually are. Yes that many Iraqis have died throughout the Iraq War. But the vast majority of which were not at the hands of US and UK soldiers.

The West's deposition of the Hussain regime triggered a Civil (Sectarian) War in Iraq, which resulted in the huge losses of life in Iraq. In the dark period of the Iraq (Civil) War, when there were daily suicide bombings across the country; the west were not directly to blame, the West's actions had indirect consequences.

And yes the Geneva Convention was violated by US and UK soldiers, no doubt about it. However these were individual separate cases and not orders from above; it has been seen that those involved have been punished.

And yes I believe Afghanistan to be justifiable despite it being un-winnable. Better to try and fail then not try at all.

And no I'm not a "socialist", I believe in Social-Liberal Democracy. Key word being "believe".

It is the NATO West that has adopted the word “Genocide” and uses it freely against any country it wants to attack. Serbs rarely use it.

After 95% of Serbs were exterminated from the new EU-monster state, Croatia, few mentioned genocide.

When Serbs were expelled en mass from Sarajevo – again no mention of genocide.

Kosovo has been virtually cleansed of Serbs, and again I do not hear the genocide word.

The problem with you internationalist types in the West is that you are first and foremost a band of hypocrites.
(Michael Thomas, 28 November 2012 19:32)

According to Serbian sources 2,344 Serb civilians died in Croatia during the War. Also 150,000 - 180,000 Serb civilians remained in Croatia following Operation Storm. That 95% figure is BS.

Sarejavo was under siege for three years, the longest any city has been in modern history. Many many people left the city during the War. Eastern Bosnia was cleansed of Bosniaks.

There were 191,000 Serbs in Kosovo in 1991 and there are 150,000 now. Now compare that to the Albanians who fled Kosovo in this period. There are 500,000 K-Albanians from Kosovo who moved to Switzerland and Germany due to the oppression of Albanians and the affects of the Kosovo War.

(Leonidas, 29 November 2012 12:01)

They aren't UN figures, they're Carla Dl Ponte's figures. Them figures were never accepted by the UN, besides they're very premature figures.

"to date unearthed 2,108 bodies in Kosovo." :13 November 1999

The word "unearthed" is important and so is the date. As many graves have been found since and there are believed to be graves still "unearthed".

Also "As of July 2001, the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) had exhumed approximately 4,300 bodies" according to the Human Rights Watch. http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword.htm

In Pristina the UNMIK/ ICTY has massive libaries of thousands of unidentified bodies from the Kosovo War.

I never said that Albanians don't use the word "genocide" when describing their lost ones. Please quote me and prove me wrong. I only said that I don't consider genocide to have taken place. Again please prove me wrong.

And Yes them 500,000 figures from early 1999 are false.

"You've probably forgotten the bombing of Fallujah by US and British forces ending with most of the city flattened and thousands of Iaqis dead." No I condemn it.

"What about the Abu Ghraib prison where thousands of Iraqis were sexually abused by the civilised West?" I also condemn it.

How am I a hypocrite when using the words "democracy" and "human rights"? I'm not asking you to prove the US and UK of being hypocrites, I'm asking how I as a person am a hypocrite.

The EU statement would urge the Palestinian authority to show restraint and avoid turning to legal recourse over the conflict because that would close the doors to negotiation,” he said

B92

Its' the same EU bureaucrats that closed their eyes and even encouraged the Israeli never ending land theft and crimes against the Palestinians in the past 60 odd years.

Israel is scared of Palestine getting an improved status inside the UN as it will give Palestine the right to hold Israel responsible for it's war crimes in the International Criminal Court.

(Ian, UK, 28 November 2012 16:06)

Do you mean the same court that held Bush and Blair liable for the genocide they committed in Iraq ?

(Ian, UK, 29 November 2012 00:20)

The concept of " Greater Albania" is not an invention of B92 but a project firmly espoused by all Albanian political leaders.It was two days ago that Berisha during the celebrations of Albanian independence talked about the unification of all Albanians which of course didn't go down well with Albania's neighbours( Fyrom's president cancelled his planned visit to Albania).

With regard to UN report on fatalities in Kosovo I am referring to the statement the UN prosecutor Carla Dl Ponte made to the security council.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/koso-n13.shtml
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/200005--.htm

I am surprised that you plead ignorance to the fact that Albanians use the term "genocide" to describe the fatalities in Kosovo.You do know of course the Kosovo narrative was built on outright lies by war criminals Clinton,Blair Albright et al.

I love to hear how Bush's and Blair's apologists try to hide the real facts from the Iraqi invasion(mind you I have't read a single comment posted by Albanians criticising either Blair or Bush).You've probably forgotten the bombing of Fallujah by US and British forces ending with most of the city flattened and thousands of Iaqis dead.What about the Abu Ghraib prison where thousands of Iraqis were sexually abused by the civilised West? I can go on and on and prove to you that you're just a hypocrite that uses words "democracy" and "human rights" without understanding its true meaning.

(Ian, UK, 29 November 2012 13:37)

The Human Rights Watch does not present any reports to the UN security council but the UN special prosecutor does.Although Del Ponte's figures might have been provinciaal it suffices to say that most of the UN and FBI teams searching for graves since the report left Kosovo empty handed.

The reason that I called you a hypocrite is because your position changes according to the conflict.I,unlike yourself, always took the view that there is no such a thing called good invasion and therefore all Western crusades in Middle East are the same,the end is the same and therefore I condemn them.

With the same token I have always condemned the actions of Israel against the Palestinians and Turkey's against the Kurds and continue to do so.One doesn't give discounts to his beliefs.