Rogozin to Serbia: Russia and Putin "stand with you"

We are grateful for Russian support. I think that lack of Eu involvment in Serbia made DS loser in last election. Russia was always a friend.

"Russia is willing to invest in Serbia and has the money to do that, and I believe our 'marriage' will not be only of convenience, but also of love," he said. That is so cute Aleksandar Vučić is thinking who is the girl of coarse the Serbs drama queens. But I thought Russia had other wife's crazy Belorussia and abused Ukraine who tried to run away from KGB Putin's Kremlin nightmare house. Once you except Kremlins help "gifts" you are theirs baby you pay and pay. The love toys that go bang are interesting say the least. Serbia and Russia will make a good couple so much alike birds of a feather flock together congratulations Serbia such a beautiful weird love story.
(Lenard, 28 November 2012 18:02)

Better than the love story of Germany and Croatia: Two countries who fell in love while gathering up and murdering innocent people during WW2. Now that is a sick relationship.

Better than the love story of Germany and Croatia: Two countries who fell in love while gathering up and murdering innocent people during WW2. Now that is a sick relationship.
(Steve B., 28 November 2012 18:46)
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It's incredible how some people open their mouth before engaging their brain.
Croatia and Germany are like two serial killers joining forces and this Croatian guy thinks he is making some point about Serbia and Russia.
Croatians should really learn to keep quiet because they have a very bloody history. As long as they can keep that history hidden from the world they will be fine but we live in a different age now. No secrets thanks to the internet.

@ vucic & nikolic did you understand that statement coming from our RUSSIAN BROTHERS. They need a strong Serbia you greedy sell-outs. C C C C

Believe it or not, but even those countries who recognize Kosovo stay behind you (when it comes to other issues). Greetings from Kiel.

This is Russia's believe where the right to self-determination is selective.
(Ian UK)

Yes, this is Russia's believe and what's wrong with Russia's believe? Why do you think NATO's believe is much better?

Talking about double standards - doesn't NATO practice double standards?

Let's suppose you are a Russian president. How would you explain to Abhazians and S.Ossetians why Kosovo deserves independence while they don't?

NATO was asked a lot of times not to provide a precedent with Kosovo.

Russsian puppets.
(Bridge, 28 November 2012 17:41)
======================

American bitches.

Ian UK

Russia recognized those provinces for one reason, to stop NATO gaining a foothold right on their doorstep. If Putin was in power when the Kosovo war was going on he wouldn't have let NATO walk all over Kosovo either, Russian troops wouldn't have left Pristina until NATO did.

Russia recognized those provinces for one reason, to stop NATO gaining a foothold right on their doorstep. If Putin was in power when the Kosovo war was going on he wouldn't have let NATO walk all over Kosovo either, Russian troops wouldn't have left Pristina until NATO did.
(SCP UK, 28 November 2012 17:07)

In case you don't know, those Russian troops in Kosova were called back home under Putin rule, and actually Putin's order. Check facts before you make fool of yourself.

military industrial complex... can't go wrong with that one... :-) stimulate sale of small arms, give people their freedom!!! "God created man but Sam Colt made men equal".

"The right to self-determination is taken into account only if there is threat of genocide or destruction of an entire nation, and that's the only time it could override the first principle. So I ask: who was endangering (ethnic) Albanians in 2008, who exactly? There was a government in Belgrade that had reached a compromise on Kosovo. Milošević had been removed. Why then was the decision made on recognizing Kosovo?"

The amusing thing about that statement is that is not what the UN says about the "right to self-determination". This is Russia's believe where the right to self-determination is selective.

"Rogozin stated that he could not fail to notice the horrific consequences of NATO's 1999 bombing of Serbia, and noted that international law was based on two principles: protection of territorial integrity and right to self-determination, where the first principle was more important: "

Obviously not in the case of Georgia then. Not to mention that Abkhazia's and South Ossetia's populations were well over twice the size they are now before Russia kicked the ethnic Georgians out of them. Then in 2008 Russia made sure there wasn't a single Georgian left in Abkhazia or South Ossetia.

So I ask, what about the right to self determination for the ethnic-Georgians of Abkhazia and South Ossetia aka the people who account for the majority of Abkhazia's and South Ossetia's population? And what about Georgia's territorial integrity?

Russian Double Standards!

Russsian puppets.

Why didn't somebody ask Rogozin how come South Ossetia and Abkhazia have only 4 recognitions each while Kosovo has 96.

"Russia is willing to invest in Serbia and has the money to do that, and I believe our 'marriage' will not be only of convenience, but also of love," he said. That is so cute Aleksandar Vučić is thinking who is the girl of coarse the Serbs drama queens. But I thought Russia had other wife's crazy Belorussia and abused Ukraine who tried to run away from KGB Putin's Kremlin nightmare house. Once you except Kremlins help "gifts" you are theirs baby you pay and pay. The love toys that go bang are interesting say the least. Serbia and Russia will make a good couple so much alike birds of a feather flock together congratulations Serbia such a beautiful weird love story.

The Truth (definately not)

No, you are wrong. Putin was prime minister at the time while Yeltsin was president, thus the commander in chief of the military. Putin came to the presidency in 2000, before that he was PM. So no, why don't you read up first before you go spouting rubbish all over the place.

I agree, that's the reason, but then Putin shouldn't come up with stories about 'principled stands' and rant about 'territorial integrity' which is so important and can only be rejected when there's a thread of genocide against a nation.

Actions speak louder than words. And yes, it's Russian double standards. (Comm. Parrisson, 28 November 2012 18:00)

I wish you were right and Russia had recognized Abhazia and S.Ossetia independence right after some countries had recognized Kosovo* independence, not waiting until war started there.

adem...except when serbia deals w albo trolls...seems like our bite invites your nazi protectors to save your butts

"Rogozin to Serbia: Russia and Putin "stand with you, just take loans at 6% interest and sell us Serbia for cents"


Great news. At least others will buy Serbia from Russia, after the Ruskies get drunk and need cash for it.

I wish you were right and Russia had recognized Abhazia and S.Ossetia independence right after some countries had recognized Kosovo* independence, not waiting until war started there.
(aaayyy, 28 November 2012 18:54)

That's exactly where Russia made the right move. Unlike Kosovo i Metohija, which had not seen full scale conflict since the end of 1999 (apart from the March pogroms of Islamist violence on the entire Serbian population in 2004). Where as in South Ossetia and Abzkhazia, a cease fire was broken by Georgia and therefore gave the right for these republics to succeed.

Anyway, a lot can be done on the diplomatic front if Serbia used Russia a little more in that regard. Russia is asking Serbia too, but they wont be more Serbian than the Serbs. Diplomatically, having Russia and taking a more stern line towards Kosovo i Metohija would without even a shout of a doubt freeze the Albanians quest for legitimacy into a Palestinian, North Cyprus type status where basically the country they are legally apart of does not control the territory but it still far from ever becoming a real country.

Serbia is like Russian pet poodle.
High pitch bark, no bite.

"protection of territorial integrity"

I'm sorry but Russia trying to protect a Country's "territorial integrity" is a bit like a serial rapist tried to protect Women's rights.

Russia has a history of not caring about other country's territorial integrity.

Here is a quick list and I'm sure I've missed a LOT.

Poland: The east going to the Soviet Republics of Ukraine and Belarus.
Finland: Karelia
Germany: Kaliningrad/ Konigsberg
Moldova: Transnistria
Lithuania
Estonia
Latvia
Georgia (In 1922, 1992 and 2008)
Azerbaijan
Armenia
Romania: annexing Moldova in 1944
Slovakia: Carpathian Ruthenia was annexed into Soviet Ukraine
Afghanistan 1980s
Japanese Empire: Manchuria
Norway: Svalbard
Short lived independent Belarus 1919
Short lived independent Ukraine 1919
Prague Spring
Mongolia
Hungarian Revolution of 1956
Most of central Asia.

All them nations within the Russian Federation which wish they could be independent but aren't allowed.

And the list just goes on and on!

Russia caring about "territorial integrity" is a joke!

let's leave the dogs to bark, train will move forward and this rogozin and his putin including politician from Serbia who sold Serbia to Russians can do nothing to stop

Yes, this is Russia's believe and what's wrong with Russia's believe? Why do you think NATO's believe is much better?

Talking about double standards - doesn't NATO practice double standards?
(aaayyy, 28 November 2012 17:11)

That NATO and the West are evil and practice double standards, that has already been extensively documented in these forums. The point is that Russia is the same as them - i.e. Russia practices double standards, too.

So, please, there is nothing "principled" from anybody in international relations - only naives believe fairy tale. All countries act based on their interests - and there is nothing wrong with that, even though they all try to sell it for "principled" position for the naives who buy it :)

Anyway, a lot can be done on the diplomatic front if Serbia used Russia a little more in that regard. Russia is asking Serbia too, but they wont be more Serbian than the Serbs. Diplomatically, having Russia and taking a more stern line towards Kosovo i Metohija would without even a shout of a doubt freeze the Albanians quest for legitimacy into a Palestinian, North Cyprus type status where basically the country they are legally apart of does not control the territory but it still far from ever becoming a real country.
(Ari Gold, 28 November 2012 20:52)

You are trying to be more Serb than your PM Dacic, which he said few days ago that; Kosova is lost for ever and lets try to preserve what we can. Meaning northern Mitro.

I am an Albanian. I totally believe in independence for Kosovo. However I believe Serbs should have the same right to self determination.The only way to have everlasting peace in the Balkans is to let everyone move their seperate ways. Let Northern Kosovo and the Southern Serbian Enclaves become Serbian soil and let the rest of Kosovo become independent.Give the Albanians in Montenegro and Macedonia independence and sure as hell give The Serb Republic in Bosnia and the Serbs in Montenegro independence as well. It's common sense! Serbs get Republika Srpska, keep the Serbian areas of Kosovo, and parts of Montenegro. Albanians get their parts of Kosovo, Western Macedonia and their parts of Montenegro. Lets just get this over with and move on. Everyone knows that their will never be a sustainable peace in the Balkans for as long as one ethnicity is ruled by another. Partition Kosovo, Bosnia, Macedonia, and Montenegro. Simple. Both dreams of the Serbian and Albanian nationalists will be realized...the creation of a Greater Albania and Greater Serbia. stop playing these foolish mickey mouse games and recognize reality. its a very pragmatic approach...let everyone join their mother countries.

A friend in need is a friend indeed but...??? What is Russia's agenda? Can't the Serbian government fix up their own house. It just goes to show how weak this Serbian Govt. is with all it's 'friends' giving lame statements.

Sweet, great, jesus is my homeboy...

all this won't mean we'll have better jobs or lives anytime soon ;)

Yes, this is Russia's believe and what's wrong with Russia's believe? Why do you think NATO's believe is much better?

Talking about double standards - doesn't NATO practice double standards?

Let's suppose you are a Russian president. How would you explain to Abhazians and S.Ossetians why Kosovo deserves independence while they don't?

NATO was asked a lot of times not to provide a precedent with Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 28 November 2012 17:11)

I meant "belief", I did made a typo and clicked on the wrong word on auto-correct.

Yes NATO does practice double standards. I dislike NATO. The Cold War is over, the US keeps NATO alive to control Europe's (and Canada's) armed forces.

How would I explain to Abhazians & S.Ossetians why Kosovo deserves independence while they don't?

Well I'd allow all the displaced Georgians, Abkhaz & Ossetians to return to Abkhazia and S.Ossetia (baring in mind that the population of Abkhazia and S.Ossetia were 2-3 times bigger than they are now since Russia kicked out the ethnic Georgians in 1992 and finished the job in 2008). Then I'd hold an independence referendum and see what the outcome was.

Then I'd allow all the displaced Serbs & Albanians return to Kosovo (baring in mind there were 194,190 Serbs in Kosovo in 1991 and there are 150,000 Serbs in Kosovo now, and there are around 500,000 K-Albanians in Germany and Switzerland alone who are from Kosovo), then I'd hold an independence referendum and I'd see what the outcome was.

"protection of territorial integrity"

I'm sorry but Russia trying to protect a Country's "territorial integrity" is a bit like a serial rapist tried to protect Women's rights.

Russia has a history of not caring about other country's territorial integrity.

Here is a quick list and I'm sure I've missed a LOT.

Poland: The east going to the Soviet Republics of Ukraine and Belarus.
Finland: Karelia
Germany: Kaliningrad/ Konigsberg
Moldova: Transnistria
Lithuania
Estonia
Latvia
Georgia (In 1922, 1992 and 2008)
Azerbaijan
Armenia
Romania: annexing Moldova in 1944
Slovakia: Carpathian Ruthenia was annexed into Soviet Ukraine
Afghanistan 1980s
Japanese Empire: Manchuria
Norway: Svalbard
Short lived independent Belarus 1919
Short lived independent Ukraine 1919
Prague Spring
Mongolia
Hungarian Revolution of 1956
Most of central Asia.

All them nations within the Russian Federation which wish they could be independent but aren't allowed.

And the list just goes on and on!

Russia caring about "territorial integrity" is a joke!
(Ian, UK, 29 November 2012 00:56)

Ian, you live in the UK, right?

...

Need I say more?

We were was Russia when Serbia was getting bombed? Nowhere, just as always, all they do is talk but when action is needed they are absent.

Serbia is like Russian pet poodle.
High pitch bark, no bite.
(Adem, 28 November 2012 22:07)

Hey Adem, did you check to see if the poodle's slide goes back and forth freely? Maybe that's the reason for the high pitch bark.

"Russia recognized those provinces for one reason, to stop NATO gaining a foothold right on their doorstep. "
(SCP UK, 28 November 2012 17:07)

I agree, that's the reason, but then Putin shouldn't come up with stories about 'principled stands' and rant about 'territorial integrity' which is so important and can only be rejected when there's a thread of genocide against a nation.

Actions speak louder than words. And yes, it's Russian double standards. And another yes, recognizing Kosovo was a totally unneeded precedent which many ethnic minorities will refer to in the future for their wishes and demands.

"The right to self-determination is taken into account only if there is threat of genocide or destruction of an entire nation, and that's the only time it could override the first principle. So I ask: who was endangering (ethnic) Albanians in 2008, who exactly? There was a government in Belgrade that had reached a compromise on Kosovo. Milošević had been removed. Why then was the decision made on recognizing Kosovo?"

The amusing thing about that statement is that is not what the UN says about the "right to self-determination". This is Russia's believe where the right to self-determination is selective.

"Rogozin stated that he could not fail to notice the horrific consequences of NATO's 1999 bombing of Serbia, and noted that international law was based on two principles: protection of territorial integrity and right to self-determination, where the first principle was more important: "

Obviously not in the case of Georgia then. Not to mention that Abkhazia's and South Ossetia's populations were well over twice the size they are now before Russia kicked the ethnic Georgians out of them. Then in 2008 Russia made sure there wasn't a single Georgian left in Abkhazia or South Ossetia.

So I ask, what about the right to self determination for the ethnic-Georgians of Abkhazia and South Ossetia aka the people who account for the majority of Abkhazia's and South Ossetia's population? And what about Georgia's territorial integrity?

Russian Double Standards!

"Rogozin to Serbia: Russia and Putin "stand with you, just take loans at 6% interest and sell us Serbia for cents"


Great news. At least others will buy Serbia from Russia, after the Ruskies get drunk and need cash for it.

Russsian puppets.

"Russia is willing to invest in Serbia and has the money to do that, and I believe our 'marriage' will not be only of convenience, but also of love," he said. That is so cute Aleksandar Vučić is thinking who is the girl of coarse the Serbs drama queens. But I thought Russia had other wife's crazy Belorussia and abused Ukraine who tried to run away from KGB Putin's Kremlin nightmare house. Once you except Kremlins help "gifts" you are theirs baby you pay and pay. The love toys that go bang are interesting say the least. Serbia and Russia will make a good couple so much alike birds of a feather flock together congratulations Serbia such a beautiful weird love story.

Serbia is like Russian pet poodle.
High pitch bark, no bite.

Believe it or not, but even those countries who recognize Kosovo stay behind you (when it comes to other issues). Greetings from Kiel.

Why didn't somebody ask Rogozin how come South Ossetia and Abkhazia have only 4 recognitions each while Kosovo has 96.

Russia recognized those provinces for one reason, to stop NATO gaining a foothold right on their doorstep. If Putin was in power when the Kosovo war was going on he wouldn't have let NATO walk all over Kosovo either, Russian troops wouldn't have left Pristina until NATO did.
(SCP UK, 28 November 2012 17:07)

In case you don't know, those Russian troops in Kosova were called back home under Putin rule, and actually Putin's order. Check facts before you make fool of yourself.

I am an Albanian. I totally believe in independence for Kosovo. However I believe Serbs should have the same right to self determination.The only way to have everlasting peace in the Balkans is to let everyone move their seperate ways. Let Northern Kosovo and the Southern Serbian Enclaves become Serbian soil and let the rest of Kosovo become independent.Give the Albanians in Montenegro and Macedonia independence and sure as hell give The Serb Republic in Bosnia and the Serbs in Montenegro independence as well. It's common sense! Serbs get Republika Srpska, keep the Serbian areas of Kosovo, and parts of Montenegro. Albanians get their parts of Kosovo, Western Macedonia and their parts of Montenegro. Lets just get this over with and move on. Everyone knows that their will never be a sustainable peace in the Balkans for as long as one ethnicity is ruled by another. Partition Kosovo, Bosnia, Macedonia, and Montenegro. Simple. Both dreams of the Serbian and Albanian nationalists will be realized...the creation of a Greater Albania and Greater Serbia. stop playing these foolish mickey mouse games and recognize reality. its a very pragmatic approach...let everyone join their mother countries.

let's leave the dogs to bark, train will move forward and this rogozin and his putin including politician from Serbia who sold Serbia to Russians can do nothing to stop

We are grateful for Russian support. I think that lack of Eu involvment in Serbia made DS loser in last election. Russia was always a friend.

Ian UK

Russia recognized those provinces for one reason, to stop NATO gaining a foothold right on their doorstep. If Putin was in power when the Kosovo war was going on he wouldn't have let NATO walk all over Kosovo either, Russian troops wouldn't have left Pristina until NATO did.

This is Russia's believe where the right to self-determination is selective.
(Ian UK)

Yes, this is Russia's believe and what's wrong with Russia's believe? Why do you think NATO's believe is much better?

Talking about double standards - doesn't NATO practice double standards?

Let's suppose you are a Russian president. How would you explain to Abhazians and S.Ossetians why Kosovo deserves independence while they don't?

NATO was asked a lot of times not to provide a precedent with Kosovo.

"Russia is willing to invest in Serbia and has the money to do that, and I believe our 'marriage' will not be only of convenience, but also of love," he said. That is so cute Aleksandar Vučić is thinking who is the girl of coarse the Serbs drama queens. But I thought Russia had other wife's crazy Belorussia and abused Ukraine who tried to run away from KGB Putin's Kremlin nightmare house. Once you except Kremlins help "gifts" you are theirs baby you pay and pay. The love toys that go bang are interesting say the least. Serbia and Russia will make a good couple so much alike birds of a feather flock together congratulations Serbia such a beautiful weird love story.
(Lenard, 28 November 2012 18:02)

Better than the love story of Germany and Croatia: Two countries who fell in love while gathering up and murdering innocent people during WW2. Now that is a sick relationship.

We were was Russia when Serbia was getting bombed? Nowhere, just as always, all they do is talk but when action is needed they are absent.

"protection of territorial integrity"

I'm sorry but Russia trying to protect a Country's "territorial integrity" is a bit like a serial rapist tried to protect Women's rights.

Russia has a history of not caring about other country's territorial integrity.

Here is a quick list and I'm sure I've missed a LOT.

Poland: The east going to the Soviet Republics of Ukraine and Belarus.
Finland: Karelia
Germany: Kaliningrad/ Konigsberg
Moldova: Transnistria
Lithuania
Estonia
Latvia
Georgia (In 1922, 1992 and 2008)
Azerbaijan
Armenia
Romania: annexing Moldova in 1944
Slovakia: Carpathian Ruthenia was annexed into Soviet Ukraine
Afghanistan 1980s
Japanese Empire: Manchuria
Norway: Svalbard
Short lived independent Belarus 1919
Short lived independent Ukraine 1919
Prague Spring
Mongolia
Hungarian Revolution of 1956
Most of central Asia.

All them nations within the Russian Federation which wish they could be independent but aren't allowed.

And the list just goes on and on!

Russia caring about "territorial integrity" is a joke!

@ vucic & nikolic did you understand that statement coming from our RUSSIAN BROTHERS. They need a strong Serbia you greedy sell-outs. C C C C

"Russia recognized those provinces for one reason, to stop NATO gaining a foothold right on their doorstep. "
(SCP UK, 28 November 2012 17:07)

I agree, that's the reason, but then Putin shouldn't come up with stories about 'principled stands' and rant about 'territorial integrity' which is so important and can only be rejected when there's a thread of genocide against a nation.

Actions speak louder than words. And yes, it's Russian double standards. And another yes, recognizing Kosovo was a totally unneeded precedent which many ethnic minorities will refer to in the future for their wishes and demands.

Better than the love story of Germany and Croatia: Two countries who fell in love while gathering up and murdering innocent people during WW2. Now that is a sick relationship.
(Steve B., 28 November 2012 18:46)
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It's incredible how some people open their mouth before engaging their brain.
Croatia and Germany are like two serial killers joining forces and this Croatian guy thinks he is making some point about Serbia and Russia.
Croatians should really learn to keep quiet because they have a very bloody history. As long as they can keep that history hidden from the world they will be fine but we live in a different age now. No secrets thanks to the internet.

Russsian puppets.
(Bridge, 28 November 2012 17:41)
======================

American bitches.

Anyway, a lot can be done on the diplomatic front if Serbia used Russia a little more in that regard. Russia is asking Serbia too, but they wont be more Serbian than the Serbs. Diplomatically, having Russia and taking a more stern line towards Kosovo i Metohija would without even a shout of a doubt freeze the Albanians quest for legitimacy into a Palestinian, North Cyprus type status where basically the country they are legally apart of does not control the territory but it still far from ever becoming a real country.
(Ari Gold, 28 November 2012 20:52)

You are trying to be more Serb than your PM Dacic, which he said few days ago that; Kosova is lost for ever and lets try to preserve what we can. Meaning northern Mitro.

Sweet, great, jesus is my homeboy...

all this won't mean we'll have better jobs or lives anytime soon ;)

military industrial complex... can't go wrong with that one... :-) stimulate sale of small arms, give people their freedom!!! "God created man but Sam Colt made men equal".

"protection of territorial integrity"

I'm sorry but Russia trying to protect a Country's "territorial integrity" is a bit like a serial rapist tried to protect Women's rights.

Russia has a history of not caring about other country's territorial integrity.

Here is a quick list and I'm sure I've missed a LOT.

Poland: The east going to the Soviet Republics of Ukraine and Belarus.
Finland: Karelia
Germany: Kaliningrad/ Konigsberg
Moldova: Transnistria
Lithuania
Estonia
Latvia
Georgia (In 1922, 1992 and 2008)
Azerbaijan
Armenia
Romania: annexing Moldova in 1944
Slovakia: Carpathian Ruthenia was annexed into Soviet Ukraine
Afghanistan 1980s
Japanese Empire: Manchuria
Norway: Svalbard
Short lived independent Belarus 1919
Short lived independent Ukraine 1919
Prague Spring
Mongolia
Hungarian Revolution of 1956
Most of central Asia.

All them nations within the Russian Federation which wish they could be independent but aren't allowed.

And the list just goes on and on!

Russia caring about "territorial integrity" is a joke!
(Ian, UK, 29 November 2012 00:56)

Ian, you live in the UK, right?

...

Need I say more?

The Truth (definately not)

No, you are wrong. Putin was prime minister at the time while Yeltsin was president, thus the commander in chief of the military. Putin came to the presidency in 2000, before that he was PM. So no, why don't you read up first before you go spouting rubbish all over the place.

I wish you were right and Russia had recognized Abhazia and S.Ossetia independence right after some countries had recognized Kosovo* independence, not waiting until war started there.
(aaayyy, 28 November 2012 18:54)

That's exactly where Russia made the right move. Unlike Kosovo i Metohija, which had not seen full scale conflict since the end of 1999 (apart from the March pogroms of Islamist violence on the entire Serbian population in 2004). Where as in South Ossetia and Abzkhazia, a cease fire was broken by Georgia and therefore gave the right for these republics to succeed.

Anyway, a lot can be done on the diplomatic front if Serbia used Russia a little more in that regard. Russia is asking Serbia too, but they wont be more Serbian than the Serbs. Diplomatically, having Russia and taking a more stern line towards Kosovo i Metohija would without even a shout of a doubt freeze the Albanians quest for legitimacy into a Palestinian, North Cyprus type status where basically the country they are legally apart of does not control the territory but it still far from ever becoming a real country.

Yes, this is Russia's believe and what's wrong with Russia's believe? Why do you think NATO's believe is much better?

Talking about double standards - doesn't NATO practice double standards?

Let's suppose you are a Russian president. How would you explain to Abhazians and S.Ossetians why Kosovo deserves independence while they don't?

NATO was asked a lot of times not to provide a precedent with Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 28 November 2012 17:11)

I meant "belief", I did made a typo and clicked on the wrong word on auto-correct.

Yes NATO does practice double standards. I dislike NATO. The Cold War is over, the US keeps NATO alive to control Europe's (and Canada's) armed forces.

How would I explain to Abhazians & S.Ossetians why Kosovo deserves independence while they don't?

Well I'd allow all the displaced Georgians, Abkhaz & Ossetians to return to Abkhazia and S.Ossetia (baring in mind that the population of Abkhazia and S.Ossetia were 2-3 times bigger than they are now since Russia kicked out the ethnic Georgians in 1992 and finished the job in 2008). Then I'd hold an independence referendum and see what the outcome was.

Then I'd allow all the displaced Serbs & Albanians return to Kosovo (baring in mind there were 194,190 Serbs in Kosovo in 1991 and there are 150,000 Serbs in Kosovo now, and there are around 500,000 K-Albanians in Germany and Switzerland alone who are from Kosovo), then I'd hold an independence referendum and I'd see what the outcome was.

Serbia is like Russian pet poodle.
High pitch bark, no bite.
(Adem, 28 November 2012 22:07)

Hey Adem, did you check to see if the poodle's slide goes back and forth freely? Maybe that's the reason for the high pitch bark.

I agree, that's the reason, but then Putin shouldn't come up with stories about 'principled stands' and rant about 'territorial integrity' which is so important and can only be rejected when there's a thread of genocide against a nation.

Actions speak louder than words. And yes, it's Russian double standards. (Comm. Parrisson, 28 November 2012 18:00)

I wish you were right and Russia had recognized Abhazia and S.Ossetia independence right after some countries had recognized Kosovo* independence, not waiting until war started there.

Yes, this is Russia's believe and what's wrong with Russia's believe? Why do you think NATO's believe is much better?

Talking about double standards - doesn't NATO practice double standards?
(aaayyy, 28 November 2012 17:11)

That NATO and the West are evil and practice double standards, that has already been extensively documented in these forums. The point is that Russia is the same as them - i.e. Russia practices double standards, too.

So, please, there is nothing "principled" from anybody in international relations - only naives believe fairy tale. All countries act based on their interests - and there is nothing wrong with that, even though they all try to sell it for "principled" position for the naives who buy it :)

adem...except when serbia deals w albo trolls...seems like our bite invites your nazi protectors to save your butts

A friend in need is a friend indeed but...??? What is Russia's agenda? Can't the Serbian government fix up their own house. It just goes to show how weak this Serbian Govt. is with all it's 'friends' giving lame statements.