Ethnic Albanians in south mark Albanian Flag Day

Happy Flag Day! Tomorrow is going to be an epic day for all the Albanians in the Balkans and all over the world.

Albo trolls on this forum keep talking about reciprocation, well I agree with them. Serbs were denied their right on Serbian land in Kosovo to wear their Serbian shirts and wave their Serbian flags by albo terrorists. So Serbia should do the same and take down any albo flags (go to albania if you want to wave your dirty flag) and beat down any albo terrorist scumbag who tries to put them up again.

The students, who had a day off from school today, came mostly from Trnovac, the home village of Ridvan Cazimi Lesi, a commander of the terrorist group "Liberation Army of Preševo, Bujanovac and Medveđa (UCPMB)".


For Serbs, even unborn Albanian children are terrorist, right? Good way of thinking fellows.



Serbian flags on state institutions were wrapped around their masts.


wrapped, wow
Where is Ivica to arrest all Albanian for making Serbian flag invisible?

"You mean in 1912 when the "great powers" gave the Albanians a piece of land to call their own?


(AcaVeliki, 27 November 2012 17:07) "

It was the Albanians (and the Italians) who started the revolt against the Ottomans, and it was their success that showed how weak the Empire actually was and encouraged the rest in the Balkans to try their luck, too.

The celebrations this year started in Skopje because that was the capital of Kosovo Vilayet, back in the day, where the revolution started (January 1912). The "great powers" were unjust in how they later carved up the territory, you're right.

The square also boasted a replica of the house in Vlore where the Albanian Declaration of Independence was proclaimed on November 28, 1912.
You mean in 1912 when the "great powers" gave the Albanians a piece of land to call their own?
And celebrating the KLA, a US State Dept. proclaimed terrorist group, later rescinded for political reasons, is pathetic. Don't Albanians have real heros, ones that did something good, without violence and organ-harvesting?
BTW, have these young folks and kids in Southern Serbia even been to Albania, or are they just worshiping this red flag with birds becaus ehteir parents have drenched their brains with propaganda? The myth is alive and well in Bujanovac, and elsewhere in Serbia by the never satisfied, always complaining, ethnic Albanian population. BTW, how is that "Yellow House" investigation going? Are Albanians celebrating that too?

And Albanians cry how they don't have rights.

Look how Serbs were treated when holding a Serbian flag in Kosovo (a Serbian Province). In my opinion, these people should move to Albania if they glorify it so much.

Note: this went without incident because the Albanians knew what would happen if they had become even slightly hostile.

No incidents are being reported! The rehabilitation of the Serbs, seems to be making progress! Lets not stop now! And keep up the good work... In a matter of no time, we can put all those dark days behind us, and look to a happy & prosperous future together, both Albanians & Serbs! You see it only takes restraint, of ones emotional feelings to achieve positive results! I am proud of both Nikolic & Dacic , I was very pessimistic that they would show restraint! This might actually be a sign by Serbia's new government, that the ideologies of the past are done with! We shall see?

It was the Albanians (and the Italians) who started the revolt against the Ottomans, and it was their success that showed how weak the Empire actually was and encouraged the rest in the Balkans to try their luck, too.
(Amer, 27 November 2012 20:44)
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LOL! Why would the Albanians do that? They changed their religion and were privileged. They love occupiers (i.e. Ottomans, NAZIs, NATO) and they now consider themselves brothers with Turks, Germans and Americans.

Somehow I think you are reading Albanian history books. *wink* *wink*

Oh look the albanian internet warriors are out again in force to downrate Serbian comments to make it look like impartial readers disagree. You people are pathetic.

Martial law needs to be implemented in Presevo and Bujanovac immediately, any terrorism needs to be wiped out. What an ugly flag the albanian one is, a double headed pigeon with a blood red background, like the blood that albanians have spilled all over the Balkans.

We all know this current Serbian administration will follow the EU rules. They won't dare do anything to ruin their EU membership date of accession. Serbs have their Serbian flags all over N-Kosova. Albanians should be able to show their pride in Serbia and where ever they are. This is how we behave when were not provoked. When we are provoked than you already know what the outcome of that may be.

No incidents are being reported! The rehabilitation of the Serbs, seems to be making progress! Lets not stop now! And keep up the good work... In a matter of no time, we can put all those dark days behind us, and look to a happy & prosperous future together, both Albanians & Serbs! You see it only takes restraint, of ones emotional feelings to achieve positive results! I am proud of both Nikolic & Dacic , I was very pessimistic that they would show restraint! This might actually be a sign by Serbia's new government, that the ideologies of the past are done with! We shall see?
(Rocky, 27 November 2012 17:10)

Funny you say this. Did you even stop to think of disapproving how the Serbs were treated in Kosovo when baring a Serbian flag or shirt? Didn't think so.

We have been trying to live in peace. You guys are the ones that can't live with anyone. See Macedonia the last few days. It gets old.

That was my point Robert :)
No turkish flag in front of a German city hall,
all public German schools are teaching Exclusively in German language.
No Algerian flag in front of a French city hall
all public schools are teaching Exclusively in French language.
Etc
But those same nations are asking Serbia to do even more, talking about minority rights.
Serbia has no lessons to receive of those nations who would be more than shocked if somebody would ask them to do at home what they try to impose abroad.

And Albanians cry how they don't have rights.

Look how Serbs were treated when holding a Serbian flag in Kosovo (a Serbian Province). In my opinion, these people should move to Albania if they glorify it so much.

Note: this went without incident because the Albanians knew what would happen if they had become even slightly hostile.
(Steve B., 27 November 2012 16:55)

Spitefulness is not going to get you anywhere.

The south is rising Serbs are frightened they did everything they could illegally criminally to keep it down http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzbdY_rPtjw .

"An Algerian flag was then unfurled on the Marseille municipal hall to applause from the crowd of about 1,000 people, according to police estimates...

French flags on state institutions were wrapped around their masts."

Dream on, this will never happen

French flags on state institutions were wrapped around their masts."

Dream on, this will never happen
(Joachim, 27 November 2012 17:46)

Your Serb government and media said it, we did not say that. You better believe it.

Just like the good ole days. A good Albanian is a dead Albanian even if they're unborn.
You would make Sloba and Arkan happy!

@Joachim,

Never say never. France along with its western allies encourage this behavior. You see this happening with the latinos in the U.S., the muslims in England and Germany. the Algerians in France. You know the saying "Whats good for the goose is good for the gander."

I still can't understand how a devil flag can be celebrated?

just looks plain evil to me

"LOL! Why would the Albanians do that? "

They didn't like some of the changes the Young Turks were making. What they got out of it was the right to schools teaching in Albanian, Albanian-speaking officials, no service for Albanian troops outside of Kosovo ... and a number of other changes [ask an Albanian, I remember only a few things from general history. And from a poem our Longfellow wrote about Scanderbeg.) The Albanians were not at the start interested in independence, knowing the interest the Italians, the Montenegrins, the Greeks, and the Serbs had in dividing up their territory.

I am disappointed of the disrespect displayed here with regards to the albanian national flag and symbols. I truly hope that you are not a representatives sample of the entire serbian people. It is evident to me that some wounds would not heal easily. I live in USA, in a major city, and albanians celebrated their flag day in the middle of the city with flags, songs and speaches. It is only natural that they do the same thing on the soil where they have lived in generations. I guess it is this intolerance, demostrated here, that made it impossible for the Kosovo albanians to live under Serbia. I see attempts here to describe albanians that somehow showed up here, in border with Albania, and occupied Serbian land. That somehow Albanians came from Asia with turks. Yet our language is unique, and can't be compared with anyone. There is no record anywere of an Albanian exodus, and we somehow ended up further south and closer to the sea than many other nation in balkans. To be honest, I don't even care who came first where. I just wanted to point out how fare are some willing to go... . I personally would prefer that somehow our nations find peace with each other, in the example of France and Germany. I hope that cooler heads will prevail.

Actually, Albanians are celebrating the flag day all over the world today, not only in the south of Serbia. I saw pictures of the flag being raised in some cities in America, Croatia, and Italy. I am sure there are more places where this is happening. So no big deal, Serbia is not special, just one country among others where Albanians happen to live and celebrate the 100th anniversary of the declaration of independence.

If you people want to have some deja vu-s from the last 10 years or so, you should absolutely read the transcripts of the discussions in the League of Nations back in the 1920's. What Yugoslavia and Greece were saying back then regarding Albania is the same that is being said today regarding Kosovo. The "international law" and all the other stuff.

Amazing, even when Albanians get what they want without a hitch they are still not satisfied.
What went wrong on the day? Surely one Albanian can tell me why they can't say something positive about Serbia now.
What has Serbia done this time?

(SCP UK, 28 November 2012 13:02)

I apologise for getting the place wrong.

Well I must say I am suprised you don't put a Serbian flag up. In certain parts of Bradford you can see Polish, Slovakia, Ukrainian and Hungarian flags.

And you think martial law is a good idea to keep Albanians under control for peacefully celebrating their nation's national holiday aka what you would call terrorism. Yes they may favour seperation and would like to be apart of a Greater Albania, but there are many Serbs outside of Serbia who favour Seperation and would like a Greater Serbia.

In the heads of people like you, when Serbs fight to be apart of a Greater Serbia in places such as Bosnia, Croatia ect in the early 1990s this is seen as a moral patriotic galliant romantic act fighting for the freedom of their people. However when Albanians do the same, in the late 1990s/ early 2000s this is seen as an immoral evil nationalist act and because their religion is Islam, they're automaticaly "terrorists" and "insurgents".

Yes many Albanians in Southern Serbia may favour border changes, but so would many Serbs east of Serbia. But you want to neutralise their politican opinions by sending in the Army, however all that would do is have the opposite affect and would radicalise their political opinions. Yet apparently I "have no clue".

he Albanians were not at the start interested in independence, knowing the interest the Italians, the Montenegrins, the Greeks, and the Serbs had in dividing up their territory.
(Amer, 28 November 2012 02:24)

Your comment about Greeks dividing Albanian lands does remind me the Turkish guide at the museum in Ephesus speaking about her ANCESTORS.You need a crash course in history to find out that Greek tribes settled in Epirus more than 4000 years ago.Cities like Aulon (modern-day Vlorë), Apollonia, Epidamnus (modern-day Durres, Oricum, Thronion, and Amantia were all built by the Greeks. What does Himara, Saranda and Girokastron mean in Albanian?

LOL! Why would the Albanians do that? They changed their religion and were privileged. They love occupiers (i.e. Ottomans, NAZIs, NATO) and they now consider themselves brothers with Turks, Germans and Americans.

Somehow I think you are reading Albanian history books. *wink* *wink*
(Zoran, 27 November 2012 23:54)

The world spins around religion for you doesnt it? Well not for Albanians.
Statistically there are more Albanian uprisings, and battles against the Turks for 400 yrs than Greek and Serbian combined. From Scanderbeg to Ali Pasha, Albanian Lords were essentially running their own territories as they pleased, and were even running the empire itself, while you were a non-entity. No wonder why the leaders and best fighters of Greek revolution were almost all of Albanian descent (Arvanites & Suliotes etc). Unlike Serbs or Greeks, Albanians dont need a middle eastern religion to define their identity, and history has proven that Serbs and Greeks have been a greater threat to their existence than Turks.

It's like telling me that all the Indians and Pakistanis in Bradford have claims of sovereignty over it.

There is plenty of bibliography for you to look at and find out on the impact that Hellenism had on Western civilization.

I have met people in Aghios Saranda telling me they were Greeks and so were their ancestors but I have yet to meet anybody in Greece telling me he was an ethnic Albanian.As for a swap I am all for it(including all the Albanian immigrants).
(Leonidas, 28 November 2012 17:21)

India and Bradford are 6000 miles apart, Leo. 200 yrs ago there were no Greeks in southern Albania, and Albanian lords like Ali Pasha ruled Albanian towns from Tepelena, Yanina, Saranda all the way to Preveza, while you watched in amussement how they fended off the turks. Ohh Leo, who are you trying to fool?
I have met plenty of Arvanites who weep in despair for their denied Albanian identity by your arrogant bailed out state.

But it's not your fault Leo, it's EU's. After 200 years of bailing you out, they still do. No wonder why you act cocky and try to bully those who dont have the luxury of $350B bailouts. Why dont you bully Turkey? Try it...
One day you will have to stand up on your own....

Oh look the albanian internet warriors are out again in force to downrate Serbian comments to make it look like impartial readers disagree. You people are pathetic.

Martial law needs to be implemented in Presevo and Bujanovac immediately, any terrorism needs to be wiped out. What an ugly flag the albanian one is, a double headed pigeon with a blood red background, like the blood that albanians have spilled all over the Balkans.
(SCP UK, 28 November 2012 02:41)

And you're rather pathetic for also acting like an "internet warrior" by posting a hate comment like that.

Have you ever put up a Serbian flag/ other national symbols in Oxfordshire (where I think you said you live)?

And have you ever recieved hostility for doing so?

Of course you won't have.

@Brandon
Was the Albanian flag hung on the municipal hall while US flags on state institutions were wrapped around their masts?

Best wishes to all albanians around the world and especially in the balkany, also I would like to thank all serbs, that wish to celebrate this historical and awesome reunion of albanians with us...

Best wishes from Vlora, the town were everything startet

Ian UK

First no I don't live in Oxfordshire. Secondly I don't put Serbian flags out in public, flags stay in my own home. Thirdly I am not running a terrorist insurgency in Britain nor are any Serbs.

I don't see how that is a hate comment, I was merely stating what would be a good idea to keep albanian terrorism under control. You English people in the UK have no clue about the situation on the ground in Presevo and Bujanovac.

Read the story and you will find that the Serbian media is referring to the KLA people as terrorist. We're they really terrorists ?

Northern Epirus? Oh yes, that's the name mad nationalist Greeks give to Southern Albania. I forget now, where does it stretch upto, was it Durres or Vlora? Yes, this again is the imaginary Greek version about Albanians, they difuse religion with ethnicity. After all it was Patriarch Joachim IV of Constantinople (at this point the Albanian Orthodox Church hadn't yet been establisehd and Orthodox Albanian were looked after by Greek priests) who threatend to excommunicate anyone found reading and writing Albanain and Greek priests even taught that God would not understand prayers uttered in Albanian, which is the best thing I have ever read anywhere. I have been to Southern Albania many times and this imaginary Greek majority/minority in the country doesn't exist. So bye bye Northern Epirus.
As for Turks being my brothers, do not confuse me for a Muslim Albanian, I actualy come from a Catholic family (of course I detest religion and am a hardcore atheist) and do not look fondly at the Ottoman Empire. I did not say you want to liberate 'Constantinople' I said I have met Greeks who think they will. There's about as much chance of that happening as there is of Albanian taking over Janina

From logic of diseased aparatchik we can say:
"Where one Albanian live, is Albania"

@Bashkim

The U.S. also classified the kla as a terrorist organization

I still can't understand how a devil flag can be celebrated?

just looks plain evil to me
(trizo, 28 November 2012 01:06)

haha it does! I cringe every time I see it. Evil was the perfect description.

Leonidas,
You forgot to mention the genocide towards ethnic albanians in Cameria after second world war .Where thousands of albanians were killed and/or kicked out of their ancesters land. To this day Greece does not allow them to claim their legitimate properties taken by force. As far as southern Albania , people have not yet forgotten the crimes comitted by Greek military in the begining of 20 th century on the civil population. My great great grand father was killed ( he was elderly) and his house was burned. As far as Greece in 1981 , it was a poor and undeveloped country. To this day I remember how the members of a greek sport team visiting Tirana, went on buying numerous grocery products in my local grocery store. And I mean they emptied the store... . So to blame EU , which took you out of your misery, sounds a bit exagerated. But then again , how can you greeks ever be wrong. By the way what do Arta, Preveza, Follorina, Janina mean in greek?

Now did you know that Greece paid 360 billion euros interest alone to Germans and French in just over 30 years?Did you know the Greek debt was only 22 billion euros in 1981? Of course not.The truth is that Albanians are always mercenaries and never supported the country that gave them jobs to support their families.Since Albanians are so fond of Turkey why don't you move there?It's only logical, same race and same religion and happy ever after.
(Leonidas, 28 November 2012 22:03)

I am an Albanian Orthodox from Gjirokaster, and I will support Turkey in a heartbeat against you. I know your kind just too well. I personally have no beef with Serbs, at least they fight you head on and dont sneak around, but there is something about greeks that just makes me crawl out of my skin.

Maybe you are right, we did fight for Greece against the Turks, (while you were only dreaming about it), only to get backstabed over and over again.Great powers were bailing you out and you didnt need Albs any longer, so you imposed the anti-albanian syndrom on Arvanites for 200 yrs, although they are Albanian by blood, language and culture (Arvanite, Albanoi, Arberesh, Arbanoi are all the same people), you still dance their dances, dress their clothes and sing their songs to this day, presenting them to the world as "Greek".

Take a good look in the mirror to see who looks like a Turk or Egyptian with that year around tan Leo....they won't bail you out forever.

Your comment about Greeks dividing Albanian lands does remind me the Turkish guide at the museum in Ephesus speaking about her ANCESTORS.You need a crash course in history to find out that Greek tribes settled in Epirus more than 4000 years ago.Cities like Aulon (modern-day Vlorë), Apollonia, Epidamnus (modern-day Durres, Oricum, Thronion, and Amantia were all built by the Greeks. What does Himara, Saranda and Girokastron mean in Albanian?
(Leonidas, 28 November 2012 12:05)

London and Manchester were built by the Romans, York and Dublin were built by Scandanavians and Cardiff was built by the English.

Ancient Greeks (the inventors of European Colonialism) built and colonised huge parts of Europe, Africa and Asia. Does that mean Greece has claim to these places now?

Yes there may be Greeks living in Southern Albania, but there are also Albanians living in North-West Greece. Maybe you should swap North-West Greece for the Southern part of Albania?

I still can't understand how a devil flag can be celebrated?

just looks plain evil to me
(trizo, 28 November 2012 01:06)

haha it does! I cringe every time I see it. Evil was the perfect description.
(Steve B., 28 November 2012 18:54)
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The serb flag looks more like a genetic mutations of a double headed white pigeon instead of a eagle copied from Byzantium.

Byzantine war flag http://hellas21.wordpress.com/symbology/attachment/05/

London and Manchester were built by the Romans, York and Dublin were built by Scandanavians and Cardiff was built by the English.

Ancient Greeks (the inventors of European Colonialism) built and colonised huge parts of Europe, Africa and Asia. Does that mean Greece has claim to these places now?

Yes there may be Greeks living in Southern Albania, but there are also Albanians living in North-West Greece. Maybe you should swap North-West Greece for the Southern part of Albania?
(Ian, UK, 28 November 2012 15:29)

Have you ever met any modern Italians residing in London or Mancester claiming to be descendants of the ancient Romans?The Greeks in Epirus have been there for thousands of years,in other words are autochthonous and not modern settlers like the Albanians.It's like telling me that all the Indians and Pakistanis in Bradford have claims of sovereignty over it.

There is plenty of bibliography for you to look at and find out on the impact that Hellenism had on Western civilization.

I have met people in Aghios Saranda telling me they were Greeks and so were their ancestors but I have yet to meet anybody in Greece telling me he was an ethnic Albanian.As for a swap I am all for it(including all the Albanian immigrants).

Ian UK

No you really don't have a clue. I don't expect them to forget the fact that they're albanians, my issue is that there are terrorist cells that operate there and there have been multiple attacks on police in recent months, what about that can you not understand? Them waving an albanian flag isn't physically harming anyone, as long as they dont deface Serbian ones. But they need to know seperatism won't be tolerated on any level, they can be as civilly nationalistic as they want. Don't try and tell me there are no terrorist cells there either.

I guess the British 'know it all' expects us to sit back and be passive towards terrorism when at the same time Britain and the US use all kinds of deadly methods to fight terrorism. The difference is however your drone strikes take place on distant lands from yours, and your drone strikes are responsible for God knows how many deaths. But hey I guess that Britain is allowed to do this while Serbia definately shouldn't be allowed to fight terrorism on their own soil, what massive hypocrites you people are.

oh yes Southern Albania is full of Greeks! Go to Southern Albania and see how many Greeks live there, I did write Greek, not Orthodox Albanians. This is the very 'hellenistic' (the modern hellenism, not the beautiful ancient one of Aristotle, Socrates, Palto...etc, but the one that has been hijacked by mad priests) point of view that there is no such thing as an Orthodox Albanian. I know Orthodox Albanians who have been told that they're greeks by virtue of their religion. Don't take my word for it, go visit Southern Albania and see how many ethnic greeks live there. yes, they are really waiting their liberation impatiently. oh and not to stop there, i aslo know of Greeks who believe they're going to liberate Constantinople one day as well (they still refuse to call it Isanbul)

(Nikolle, 28 November 2012 17:47)

I am surprised that Albanians haven't claimed yet that Aristotle, Socrates, and Plato were Albanians but then again even Albanian audacity has its limitations.It's well known that after World war II many Greeks were forcibly removed from the minority zones to other parts of Albania,Greek place-names were changed to Albanian ones, and Greeks were forced to change their personal names into Albanian names.The use of the Greek language was prohibited everywhere and many dissenting Greeks were exiled in mining camps in central and North Albania.The number of Greeks in Albania has certainly being reduced in recent years through immigration to Greece but there are still into thousands with family roots in Northern Epirus.The same could also be said for the Greek minority in Turkey (numbering more than 250000 in 1950)and being reduced to less than 3000 at present (as a result of Muslim progroms).

I have visited Northern Epirus and I had conversations with Greeks still living there and I've got a clear picture of the situation.I also use the name Constantinople not because I am planning to liberate it(your own words) but because that's it's name.Your Turkish brothers have also changed the 4000 year old names of Greek cities in Cyprus,does it mean I have to accept it?

(Denis, 28 November 2012 16:29)

Saranda,Himmara,Girokastron Aulon, Apollonia ,Epidamnus were all ancient Albanian cities that Albanian Illyrians,Dardanians tribes built them 4000 years ago.

The Albanian Ottoman Coprulu dynasty together with Ali Pasha and his Albanian genissaries later on helped to liberate Greece from themselves.

I used to go to school with arvanites so I know a bit more than you do about them and I can tell you that calling them Albanian was the most derogative term that anyone could use against them.You should also know that Albanian immigrants in the 1990s were beaten up by arvanites if they crossed their paths.

Now did you know that Greece paid 360 billion euros interest alone to Germans and French in just over 30 years?Did you know the Greek debt was only 22 billion euros in 1981? Of course not.The truth is that Albanians are always mercenaries and never supported the country that gave them jobs to support their families.Since Albanians are so fond of Turkey why don't you move there?It's only logical, same race and same religion and happy ever after.

Albo trolls on this forum keep talking about reciprocation, well I agree with them. Serbs were denied their right on Serbian land in Kosovo to wear their Serbian shirts and wave their Serbian flags by albo terrorists. So Serbia should do the same and take down any albo flags (go to albania if you want to wave your dirty flag) and beat down any albo terrorist scumbag who tries to put them up again.

And Albanians cry how they don't have rights.

Look how Serbs were treated when holding a Serbian flag in Kosovo (a Serbian Province). In my opinion, these people should move to Albania if they glorify it so much.

Note: this went without incident because the Albanians knew what would happen if they had become even slightly hostile.

The square also boasted a replica of the house in Vlore where the Albanian Declaration of Independence was proclaimed on November 28, 1912.
You mean in 1912 when the "great powers" gave the Albanians a piece of land to call their own?
And celebrating the KLA, a US State Dept. proclaimed terrorist group, later rescinded for political reasons, is pathetic. Don't Albanians have real heros, ones that did something good, without violence and organ-harvesting?
BTW, have these young folks and kids in Southern Serbia even been to Albania, or are they just worshiping this red flag with birds becaus ehteir parents have drenched their brains with propaganda? The myth is alive and well in Bujanovac, and elsewhere in Serbia by the never satisfied, always complaining, ethnic Albanian population. BTW, how is that "Yellow House" investigation going? Are Albanians celebrating that too?

Happy Flag Day! Tomorrow is going to be an epic day for all the Albanians in the Balkans and all over the world.

The students, who had a day off from school today, came mostly from Trnovac, the home village of Ridvan Cazimi Lesi, a commander of the terrorist group "Liberation Army of Preševo, Bujanovac and Medveđa (UCPMB)".


For Serbs, even unborn Albanian children are terrorist, right? Good way of thinking fellows.



Serbian flags on state institutions were wrapped around their masts.


wrapped, wow
Where is Ivica to arrest all Albanian for making Serbian flag invisible?

Just like the good ole days. A good Albanian is a dead Albanian even if they're unborn.
You would make Sloba and Arkan happy!

The south is rising Serbs are frightened they did everything they could illegally criminally to keep it down http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzbdY_rPtjw .

Oh look the albanian internet warriors are out again in force to downrate Serbian comments to make it look like impartial readers disagree. You people are pathetic.

Martial law needs to be implemented in Presevo and Bujanovac immediately, any terrorism needs to be wiped out. What an ugly flag the albanian one is, a double headed pigeon with a blood red background, like the blood that albanians have spilled all over the Balkans.

No incidents are being reported! The rehabilitation of the Serbs, seems to be making progress! Lets not stop now! And keep up the good work... In a matter of no time, we can put all those dark days behind us, and look to a happy & prosperous future together, both Albanians & Serbs! You see it only takes restraint, of ones emotional feelings to achieve positive results! I am proud of both Nikolic & Dacic , I was very pessimistic that they would show restraint! This might actually be a sign by Serbia's new government, that the ideologies of the past are done with! We shall see?

We all know this current Serbian administration will follow the EU rules. They won't dare do anything to ruin their EU membership date of accession. Serbs have their Serbian flags all over N-Kosova. Albanians should be able to show their pride in Serbia and where ever they are. This is how we behave when were not provoked. When we are provoked than you already know what the outcome of that may be.

French flags on state institutions were wrapped around their masts."

Dream on, this will never happen
(Joachim, 27 November 2012 17:46)

Your Serb government and media said it, we did not say that. You better believe it.

It was the Albanians (and the Italians) who started the revolt against the Ottomans, and it was their success that showed how weak the Empire actually was and encouraged the rest in the Balkans to try their luck, too.
(Amer, 27 November 2012 20:44)
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LOL! Why would the Albanians do that? They changed their religion and were privileged. They love occupiers (i.e. Ottomans, NAZIs, NATO) and they now consider themselves brothers with Turks, Germans and Americans.

Somehow I think you are reading Albanian history books. *wink* *wink*

No incidents are being reported! The rehabilitation of the Serbs, seems to be making progress! Lets not stop now! And keep up the good work... In a matter of no time, we can put all those dark days behind us, and look to a happy & prosperous future together, both Albanians & Serbs! You see it only takes restraint, of ones emotional feelings to achieve positive results! I am proud of both Nikolic & Dacic , I was very pessimistic that they would show restraint! This might actually be a sign by Serbia's new government, that the ideologies of the past are done with! We shall see?
(Rocky, 27 November 2012 17:10)

Funny you say this. Did you even stop to think of disapproving how the Serbs were treated in Kosovo when baring a Serbian flag or shirt? Didn't think so.

We have been trying to live in peace. You guys are the ones that can't live with anyone. See Macedonia the last few days. It gets old.

And Albanians cry how they don't have rights.

Look how Serbs were treated when holding a Serbian flag in Kosovo (a Serbian Province). In my opinion, these people should move to Albania if they glorify it so much.

Note: this went without incident because the Albanians knew what would happen if they had become even slightly hostile.
(Steve B., 27 November 2012 16:55)

Spitefulness is not going to get you anywhere.

I still can't understand how a devil flag can be celebrated?

just looks plain evil to me

"You mean in 1912 when the "great powers" gave the Albanians a piece of land to call their own?


(AcaVeliki, 27 November 2012 17:07) "

It was the Albanians (and the Italians) who started the revolt against the Ottomans, and it was their success that showed how weak the Empire actually was and encouraged the rest in the Balkans to try their luck, too.

The celebrations this year started in Skopje because that was the capital of Kosovo Vilayet, back in the day, where the revolution started (January 1912). The "great powers" were unjust in how they later carved up the territory, you're right.

Oh look the albanian internet warriors are out again in force to downrate Serbian comments to make it look like impartial readers disagree. You people are pathetic.

Martial law needs to be implemented in Presevo and Bujanovac immediately, any terrorism needs to be wiped out. What an ugly flag the albanian one is, a double headed pigeon with a blood red background, like the blood that albanians have spilled all over the Balkans.
(SCP UK, 28 November 2012 02:41)

And you're rather pathetic for also acting like an "internet warrior" by posting a hate comment like that.

Have you ever put up a Serbian flag/ other national symbols in Oxfordshire (where I think you said you live)?

And have you ever recieved hostility for doing so?

Of course you won't have.

Amazing, even when Albanians get what they want without a hitch they are still not satisfied.
What went wrong on the day? Surely one Albanian can tell me why they can't say something positive about Serbia now.
What has Serbia done this time?

"An Algerian flag was then unfurled on the Marseille municipal hall to applause from the crowd of about 1,000 people, according to police estimates...

French flags on state institutions were wrapped around their masts."

Dream on, this will never happen

That was my point Robert :)
No turkish flag in front of a German city hall,
all public German schools are teaching Exclusively in German language.
No Algerian flag in front of a French city hall
all public schools are teaching Exclusively in French language.
Etc
But those same nations are asking Serbia to do even more, talking about minority rights.
Serbia has no lessons to receive of those nations who would be more than shocked if somebody would ask them to do at home what they try to impose abroad.

"LOL! Why would the Albanians do that? "

They didn't like some of the changes the Young Turks were making. What they got out of it was the right to schools teaching in Albanian, Albanian-speaking officials, no service for Albanian troops outside of Kosovo ... and a number of other changes [ask an Albanian, I remember only a few things from general history. And from a poem our Longfellow wrote about Scanderbeg.) The Albanians were not at the start interested in independence, knowing the interest the Italians, the Montenegrins, the Greeks, and the Serbs had in dividing up their territory.

I am disappointed of the disrespect displayed here with regards to the albanian national flag and symbols. I truly hope that you are not a representatives sample of the entire serbian people. It is evident to me that some wounds would not heal easily. I live in USA, in a major city, and albanians celebrated their flag day in the middle of the city with flags, songs and speaches. It is only natural that they do the same thing on the soil where they have lived in generations. I guess it is this intolerance, demostrated here, that made it impossible for the Kosovo albanians to live under Serbia. I see attempts here to describe albanians that somehow showed up here, in border with Albania, and occupied Serbian land. That somehow Albanians came from Asia with turks. Yet our language is unique, and can't be compared with anyone. There is no record anywere of an Albanian exodus, and we somehow ended up further south and closer to the sea than many other nation in balkans. To be honest, I don't even care who came first where. I just wanted to point out how fare are some willing to go... . I personally would prefer that somehow our nations find peace with each other, in the example of France and Germany. I hope that cooler heads will prevail.

Ian UK

First no I don't live in Oxfordshire. Secondly I don't put Serbian flags out in public, flags stay in my own home. Thirdly I am not running a terrorist insurgency in Britain nor are any Serbs.

I don't see how that is a hate comment, I was merely stating what would be a good idea to keep albanian terrorism under control. You English people in the UK have no clue about the situation on the ground in Presevo and Bujanovac.

London and Manchester were built by the Romans, York and Dublin were built by Scandanavians and Cardiff was built by the English.

Ancient Greeks (the inventors of European Colonialism) built and colonised huge parts of Europe, Africa and Asia. Does that mean Greece has claim to these places now?

Yes there may be Greeks living in Southern Albania, but there are also Albanians living in North-West Greece. Maybe you should swap North-West Greece for the Southern part of Albania?
(Ian, UK, 28 November 2012 15:29)

Have you ever met any modern Italians residing in London or Mancester claiming to be descendants of the ancient Romans?The Greeks in Epirus have been there for thousands of years,in other words are autochthonous and not modern settlers like the Albanians.It's like telling me that all the Indians and Pakistanis in Bradford have claims of sovereignty over it.

There is plenty of bibliography for you to look at and find out on the impact that Hellenism had on Western civilization.

I have met people in Aghios Saranda telling me they were Greeks and so were their ancestors but I have yet to meet anybody in Greece telling me he was an ethnic Albanian.As for a swap I am all for it(including all the Albanian immigrants).

Actually, Albanians are celebrating the flag day all over the world today, not only in the south of Serbia. I saw pictures of the flag being raised in some cities in America, Croatia, and Italy. I am sure there are more places where this is happening. So no big deal, Serbia is not special, just one country among others where Albanians happen to live and celebrate the 100th anniversary of the declaration of independence.

If you people want to have some deja vu-s from the last 10 years or so, you should absolutely read the transcripts of the discussions in the League of Nations back in the 1920's. What Yugoslavia and Greece were saying back then regarding Albania is the same that is being said today regarding Kosovo. The "international law" and all the other stuff.

(SCP UK, 28 November 2012 13:02)

I apologise for getting the place wrong.

Well I must say I am suprised you don't put a Serbian flag up. In certain parts of Bradford you can see Polish, Slovakia, Ukrainian and Hungarian flags.

And you think martial law is a good idea to keep Albanians under control for peacefully celebrating their nation's national holiday aka what you would call terrorism. Yes they may favour seperation and would like to be apart of a Greater Albania, but there are many Serbs outside of Serbia who favour Seperation and would like a Greater Serbia.

In the heads of people like you, when Serbs fight to be apart of a Greater Serbia in places such as Bosnia, Croatia ect in the early 1990s this is seen as a moral patriotic galliant romantic act fighting for the freedom of their people. However when Albanians do the same, in the late 1990s/ early 2000s this is seen as an immoral evil nationalist act and because their religion is Islam, they're automaticaly "terrorists" and "insurgents".

Yes many Albanians in Southern Serbia may favour border changes, but so would many Serbs east of Serbia. But you want to neutralise their politican opinions by sending in the Army, however all that would do is have the opposite affect and would radicalise their political opinions. Yet apparently I "have no clue".

oh yes Southern Albania is full of Greeks! Go to Southern Albania and see how many Greeks live there, I did write Greek, not Orthodox Albanians. This is the very 'hellenistic' (the modern hellenism, not the beautiful ancient one of Aristotle, Socrates, Palto...etc, but the one that has been hijacked by mad priests) point of view that there is no such thing as an Orthodox Albanian. I know Orthodox Albanians who have been told that they're greeks by virtue of their religion. Don't take my word for it, go visit Southern Albania and see how many ethnic greeks live there. yes, they are really waiting their liberation impatiently. oh and not to stop there, i aslo know of Greeks who believe they're going to liberate Constantinople one day as well (they still refuse to call it Isanbul)

@Bashkim

The U.S. also classified the kla as a terrorist organization

Ian UK

No you really don't have a clue. I don't expect them to forget the fact that they're albanians, my issue is that there are terrorist cells that operate there and there have been multiple attacks on police in recent months, what about that can you not understand? Them waving an albanian flag isn't physically harming anyone, as long as they dont deface Serbian ones. But they need to know seperatism won't be tolerated on any level, they can be as civilly nationalistic as they want. Don't try and tell me there are no terrorist cells there either.

I guess the British 'know it all' expects us to sit back and be passive towards terrorism when at the same time Britain and the US use all kinds of deadly methods to fight terrorism. The difference is however your drone strikes take place on distant lands from yours, and your drone strikes are responsible for God knows how many deaths. But hey I guess that Britain is allowed to do this while Serbia definately shouldn't be allowed to fight terrorism on their own soil, what massive hypocrites you people are.

(Nikolle, 28 November 2012 17:47)

I am surprised that Albanians haven't claimed yet that Aristotle, Socrates, and Plato were Albanians but then again even Albanian audacity has its limitations.It's well known that after World war II many Greeks were forcibly removed from the minority zones to other parts of Albania,Greek place-names were changed to Albanian ones, and Greeks were forced to change their personal names into Albanian names.The use of the Greek language was prohibited everywhere and many dissenting Greeks were exiled in mining camps in central and North Albania.The number of Greeks in Albania has certainly being reduced in recent years through immigration to Greece but there are still into thousands with family roots in Northern Epirus.The same could also be said for the Greek minority in Turkey (numbering more than 250000 in 1950)and being reduced to less than 3000 at present (as a result of Muslim progroms).

I have visited Northern Epirus and I had conversations with Greeks still living there and I've got a clear picture of the situation.I also use the name Constantinople not because I am planning to liberate it(your own words) but because that's it's name.Your Turkish brothers have also changed the 4000 year old names of Greek cities in Cyprus,does it mean I have to accept it?

(Denis, 28 November 2012 16:29)

Saranda,Himmara,Girokastron Aulon, Apollonia ,Epidamnus were all ancient Albanian cities that Albanian Illyrians,Dardanians tribes built them 4000 years ago.

The Albanian Ottoman Coprulu dynasty together with Ali Pasha and his Albanian genissaries later on helped to liberate Greece from themselves.

I used to go to school with arvanites so I know a bit more than you do about them and I can tell you that calling them Albanian was the most derogative term that anyone could use against them.You should also know that Albanian immigrants in the 1990s were beaten up by arvanites if they crossed their paths.

Now did you know that Greece paid 360 billion euros interest alone to Germans and French in just over 30 years?Did you know the Greek debt was only 22 billion euros in 1981? Of course not.The truth is that Albanians are always mercenaries and never supported the country that gave them jobs to support their families.Since Albanians are so fond of Turkey why don't you move there?It's only logical, same race and same religion and happy ever after.

@Joachim,

Never say never. France along with its western allies encourage this behavior. You see this happening with the latinos in the U.S., the muslims in England and Germany. the Algerians in France. You know the saying "Whats good for the goose is good for the gander."

From logic of diseased aparatchik we can say:
"Where one Albanian live, is Albania"

he Albanians were not at the start interested in independence, knowing the interest the Italians, the Montenegrins, the Greeks, and the Serbs had in dividing up their territory.
(Amer, 28 November 2012 02:24)

Your comment about Greeks dividing Albanian lands does remind me the Turkish guide at the museum in Ephesus speaking about her ANCESTORS.You need a crash course in history to find out that Greek tribes settled in Epirus more than 4000 years ago.Cities like Aulon (modern-day Vlorë), Apollonia, Epidamnus (modern-day Durres, Oricum, Thronion, and Amantia were all built by the Greeks. What does Himara, Saranda and Girokastron mean in Albanian?

Best wishes to all albanians around the world and especially in the balkany, also I would like to thank all serbs, that wish to celebrate this historical and awesome reunion of albanians with us...

Best wishes from Vlora, the town were everything startet

Read the story and you will find that the Serbian media is referring to the KLA people as terrorist. We're they really terrorists ?

I still can't understand how a devil flag can be celebrated?

just looks plain evil to me
(trizo, 28 November 2012 01:06)

haha it does! I cringe every time I see it. Evil was the perfect description.

@Brandon
Was the Albanian flag hung on the municipal hall while US flags on state institutions were wrapped around their masts?

Now did you know that Greece paid 360 billion euros interest alone to Germans and French in just over 30 years?Did you know the Greek debt was only 22 billion euros in 1981? Of course not.The truth is that Albanians are always mercenaries and never supported the country that gave them jobs to support their families.Since Albanians are so fond of Turkey why don't you move there?It's only logical, same race and same religion and happy ever after.
(Leonidas, 28 November 2012 22:03)

I am an Albanian Orthodox from Gjirokaster, and I will support Turkey in a heartbeat against you. I know your kind just too well. I personally have no beef with Serbs, at least they fight you head on and dont sneak around, but there is something about greeks that just makes me crawl out of my skin.

Maybe you are right, we did fight for Greece against the Turks, (while you were only dreaming about it), only to get backstabed over and over again.Great powers were bailing you out and you didnt need Albs any longer, so you imposed the anti-albanian syndrom on Arvanites for 200 yrs, although they are Albanian by blood, language and culture (Arvanite, Albanoi, Arberesh, Arbanoi are all the same people), you still dance their dances, dress their clothes and sing their songs to this day, presenting them to the world as "Greek".

Take a good look in the mirror to see who looks like a Turk or Egyptian with that year around tan Leo....they won't bail you out forever.

Your comment about Greeks dividing Albanian lands does remind me the Turkish guide at the museum in Ephesus speaking about her ANCESTORS.You need a crash course in history to find out that Greek tribes settled in Epirus more than 4000 years ago.Cities like Aulon (modern-day Vlorë), Apollonia, Epidamnus (modern-day Durres, Oricum, Thronion, and Amantia were all built by the Greeks. What does Himara, Saranda and Girokastron mean in Albanian?
(Leonidas, 28 November 2012 12:05)

London and Manchester were built by the Romans, York and Dublin were built by Scandanavians and Cardiff was built by the English.

Ancient Greeks (the inventors of European Colonialism) built and colonised huge parts of Europe, Africa and Asia. Does that mean Greece has claim to these places now?

Yes there may be Greeks living in Southern Albania, but there are also Albanians living in North-West Greece. Maybe you should swap North-West Greece for the Southern part of Albania?

LOL! Why would the Albanians do that? They changed their religion and were privileged. They love occupiers (i.e. Ottomans, NAZIs, NATO) and they now consider themselves brothers with Turks, Germans and Americans.

Somehow I think you are reading Albanian history books. *wink* *wink*
(Zoran, 27 November 2012 23:54)

The world spins around religion for you doesnt it? Well not for Albanians.
Statistically there are more Albanian uprisings, and battles against the Turks for 400 yrs than Greek and Serbian combined. From Scanderbeg to Ali Pasha, Albanian Lords were essentially running their own territories as they pleased, and were even running the empire itself, while you were a non-entity. No wonder why the leaders and best fighters of Greek revolution were almost all of Albanian descent (Arvanites & Suliotes etc). Unlike Serbs or Greeks, Albanians dont need a middle eastern religion to define their identity, and history has proven that Serbs and Greeks have been a greater threat to their existence than Turks.

It's like telling me that all the Indians and Pakistanis in Bradford have claims of sovereignty over it.

There is plenty of bibliography for you to look at and find out on the impact that Hellenism had on Western civilization.

I have met people in Aghios Saranda telling me they were Greeks and so were their ancestors but I have yet to meet anybody in Greece telling me he was an ethnic Albanian.As for a swap I am all for it(including all the Albanian immigrants).
(Leonidas, 28 November 2012 17:21)

India and Bradford are 6000 miles apart, Leo. 200 yrs ago there were no Greeks in southern Albania, and Albanian lords like Ali Pasha ruled Albanian towns from Tepelena, Yanina, Saranda all the way to Preveza, while you watched in amussement how they fended off the turks. Ohh Leo, who are you trying to fool?
I have met plenty of Arvanites who weep in despair for their denied Albanian identity by your arrogant bailed out state.

But it's not your fault Leo, it's EU's. After 200 years of bailing you out, they still do. No wonder why you act cocky and try to bully those who dont have the luxury of $350B bailouts. Why dont you bully Turkey? Try it...
One day you will have to stand up on your own....

Northern Epirus? Oh yes, that's the name mad nationalist Greeks give to Southern Albania. I forget now, where does it stretch upto, was it Durres or Vlora? Yes, this again is the imaginary Greek version about Albanians, they difuse religion with ethnicity. After all it was Patriarch Joachim IV of Constantinople (at this point the Albanian Orthodox Church hadn't yet been establisehd and Orthodox Albanian were looked after by Greek priests) who threatend to excommunicate anyone found reading and writing Albanain and Greek priests even taught that God would not understand prayers uttered in Albanian, which is the best thing I have ever read anywhere. I have been to Southern Albania many times and this imaginary Greek majority/minority in the country doesn't exist. So bye bye Northern Epirus.
As for Turks being my brothers, do not confuse me for a Muslim Albanian, I actualy come from a Catholic family (of course I detest religion and am a hardcore atheist) and do not look fondly at the Ottoman Empire. I did not say you want to liberate 'Constantinople' I said I have met Greeks who think they will. There's about as much chance of that happening as there is of Albanian taking over Janina

Leonidas,
You forgot to mention the genocide towards ethnic albanians in Cameria after second world war .Where thousands of albanians were killed and/or kicked out of their ancesters land. To this day Greece does not allow them to claim their legitimate properties taken by force. As far as southern Albania , people have not yet forgotten the crimes comitted by Greek military in the begining of 20 th century on the civil population. My great great grand father was killed ( he was elderly) and his house was burned. As far as Greece in 1981 , it was a poor and undeveloped country. To this day I remember how the members of a greek sport team visiting Tirana, went on buying numerous grocery products in my local grocery store. And I mean they emptied the store... . So to blame EU , which took you out of your misery, sounds a bit exagerated. But then again , how can you greeks ever be wrong. By the way what do Arta, Preveza, Follorina, Janina mean in greek?

I still can't understand how a devil flag can be celebrated?

just looks plain evil to me
(trizo, 28 November 2012 01:06)

haha it does! I cringe every time I see it. Evil was the perfect description.
(Steve B., 28 November 2012 18:54)
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The serb flag looks more like a genetic mutations of a double headed white pigeon instead of a eagle copied from Byzantium.

Byzantine war flag http://hellas21.wordpress.com/symbology/attachment/05/