EU 5 "less likely than ever" to recognize Kosovo

How many times have Albanians come to this site and said that it's only a matter of time before the five recognize them?

The only way they will get into EU or UN is being part of Serbia. Not Albania, only Serbia.
They wont even get into FIFA or Eurovision without Serbia. They will, however, keep getting into Miss World and get third place or so just out of pity but that's it.
They are free to move to Albania if they wish to live in a real country besides Serbia. Nobody will shed a tear.
It's time they woke up.

However, Kosovo should not be satisfied with this, and even manipulate its public opinion (to believe) that the EU is treating it as any other state. That, simply put, is not the case," said the newspaper, noting that "Kosovo is being treated differently, and has accepted to be treated differently".

Because it is not a state, it is a occupied province and a disputed territory.

There is no getting around that fact, IDC if 50 more Albanians make it their day job and life long ambition to convince the readers of B92 otherwise.

....the five - Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Slovakia, and Spain. The weakest links,,,,,

....the five - Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Slovakia, and Spain. The weakest links,,,,,
(EA, 26 November 2012 14:24)

LOL so how come your elected dimwits can't get the "weakest links" to recognize? Say whatever you want to make your expat ego feel better but ff they're Europe's weakest links, Kosovo* is Europe's abandoned wreck :)

I really dont care if those countries never recognise Kosova, all i care is Kosova is no longer part of Serbia the rest we can live with.

Happy 100 years my dear ALBANIA!

We have to accept that we lost Kosovo in 1999, and we have to try to live with it. We will be together with Kosovo after both of us will be in EU. Believe or not, Albania is closer to Kosovo than Serbia
(Adam, 26 November 2012 14:53)

We? Who the hell is we?! I guess if you consider yourself a Serb over the keyboard and "break the reality" to the rest of them, maybe they will start coming around to the idea that the occupation is legal and accepted by the world.

Oh the efforts the Serbophobes go will never cease to amaze me. Their commitment to Serbia is incredible.

Thanks "Adam"

Reminder to all that it will be viewed as a reason to have a referendum and attach itself to Albania...
(Une, 26 November 2012 14:55)
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LOL! Try it my friend and you will be extending Serbia's borders all the way to the Adriatic and Mediterranean. If you don't like it, perhaps you can go home to Turkey instead?

Mr/Mrs EA, and other loons, Kosovo is not joining any Albania anytime soon. It is not a sovereign nation, and does not make any decisions for itself. It is still an administered protectorate, and will remain so for the forseeable future. And honestly, do you separatists really believe that the West would allow Kosovo to just break off and unite with Albania? And what makes you think that Albania even wants Kosovo incorporated? They are poor enough without another 2 million hungry Albanians from neighboring Serbia. What world do you people live in?

oh wow.

first an Albanian tries to pretend some kind of literacy, and then I see another Albanian pretending to be a serb "Adam" who "accepts" Kosovo being a state...

gee, what are you guys dreaming about???


@Nori: I think you´re wrong. if all other means fail, waging war would help, of course.
those Albanians who lived in KiM prior to 1999 should be given the right to decide for themselves either to stay or to live within serbian borders on serbian territory, and if not, they should be free to leave.

but I think Serbia will do it smarter, much smarter, once the time has come.

but it is still too early, we are just at the beginning of a change. and your problem will be, that you´re not an asian "country"... because the US will focus on Asia in the future.

so don´t be so foolish to believe what Mrs.Clinton has babbled about on her visit in southern Serbia.

Nik- It s true you have tried to erase Serbia from kosovo. But no matter how many churches and graveyards you defile, Serbian soul will forever be there. Lets be honest, it was much better for kalbs before the war ( and i was there a lot). Run now by by a narco kleptocracy, clan based politics that belongs to the stone age, racism like nothing existing today. What a paradise. Albanians couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery, except with the help of fellow minded organ harvesters. It is a stillborn birth, and will forever remain thus until you accept a fair deal. And as war goes, be careful what you wish for, you might just get it. Greater Albania is dead.

lol @ Serbia being a "real country"
(Danilo, 26 November 2012 14:45)

Quit the WUM'ming troll.

what are you on about Peggy? you think Serbia is keeping Kosova hostage? hostage to what? we sure as hell didn't need Serbia's blessing to become a member of the IMF or the World Bank. visa liberalization talks are due to start next year, we sure as hell don't need Serbia's blessing for that either. but don't worry, we'll send you a postcard to Australia from the 'chosen land'. greetings from Prishtina, doesn't look Serbian today either

"They will, however, keep getting into Miss World and get third place or so just out of pity but that's it."

Hey, don't be jealous just because we got some of the prettiest women in the Universe ;)

"....the five - Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Slovakia, and Spain. The weakest links"

EA

Imagine that this "weak link" manages to outpower Germany, Britain and France by keeping Kosovo unrecognized and treated as a state that is actually not a state in the right sense. Life's a bit.h!

what are you on about Peggy? you think Serbia is keeping Kosova hostage? hostage to what? we sure as hell didn't need Serbia's blessing to become a member of the IMF or the World Bank
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Being a member of IMF doesn't make you any money.
Being a recognized country, having investors does.
Try being recognized and see how far you get. Oops, you have already tried that.

Kosovo will be like Western Sahara. Only a small part of it is directly controlled by Morocco but the rest is also not fully independent. [Ex: North Kosovo] Morocco has successfully kept it from joining the UN for the past 35+ years. Morocco is also the only African country that is not part of the African Union however Morocco remains involved in developing the regional economy. Ex: the city of Casablanca contains North Africa's busiest port and serves as the country's economic center. Serbia can in fact do the same. Stay out of EU and NATO and be a neutral nation. Develop ties with the region and improve the economy and employment. Russia and China will NEVER recognize Kosovo as long as Serbia is against it therefore they will never be a part of the UN and be independent as the like to claim. Be smart Serbia!

EA

You think that constantly threatening to unite Kosovo and Albania is scaring anyone? Let me ask you something. What's the difference to serbs if Kosovo is independent or if it unites with Albania? Same sh.t different package.
You say that these 5 countries who refuse to recognize have "very shaky feet" yet you rejoice when a country of 25 people somewhere in the pacific recognizes Kosovo. And I bet these countries would be the most prominent should they decide to recognize Kosovo. You twist and turn every situation to fit your purpose. You albanians can be read like an open book.

"In a commentary published on Monday, Koha Ditore notices that the opposition to Kosovo's independence is strengthening among the five - Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Slovakia, and Spain."

Strengthening? Why? These five countries always openly said that they won't recognize a unilaterally declared state of Kosovo. So: Nothing new about that.


By the way, it's not about an INDEPENDENT Kosovo: I'm sure that none of these states would oppose a Kosovo created after a mutual agreement with Serbia was reached. The problem these countries and many others see is that Kosovo was unilaterally created by an ethnic minority.

@ Ari, Peggy i must say its always a delight to read your comments .
And Ari the reason why i personally comment is because you are so freaking annoying, Peggy is something other then annoying i dont even know how to explain what Peggy is. And the reason why i read the news on B92 is because i like to keep myself informed, i want to know how the thinking is on serbias most liberal newpaper, and B92 is far from the only news i read.

We in Kosovo ar not delusional about anything we know exactly where we are and nobody is saying that where we are today is good enough, far from it. There is so much more that has to be done, firstly we also have to steer away from the blindness of adjoining EU, we have to work within and strengthen the country from within but thats easy said and very hard to do especially when you have neighbors wont cooperate.

But what you dont understand is that no matter all of this, it still wont give Kosovo back to you, i admitt it will make the life of ordinary citizens hard but thats nothing that we are not used to, at least we are no longer oppressed.

You always have the option of waging another war against Kosovo but i cant see how that would help you it most probably wouldent.

"oh i see, you mean ethnic minority in what was Serbia, well thats really odd, serbs were an ethnic minority in the ottoman empire, as were greeks. could you write anything more stupid?"
(Nikolle, 26 November 2012 16:30)

Something more stupid? I think not. But you, in your wise remarks, unfortunately forgot the Roman empire, where all these places were part of.

Fact is: Unlike Crotaia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Kosovo has never been a state within the federal republic of YU. So yes, Albanians are an ethnic minority within Serbia, just like Hungarians in Vojvodina, Romanians and what ever other ethnicity is living there. And yes, in the 'independent Kosovo', Serbs are a minority. But why not go further? In Northern Kosovo, Albanians are a minority.

The only way they will get into EU or UN is being part of Serbia. Not Albania, only Serbia.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 14:06)

So, if Kosovo agrees with the more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence solution, Serbia will not object to Kosovo becoming a UN member ?
(icj1, 26 November 2012 17:18)
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There is your lack of comprehension again.
PART OF SERBIA!! How did you miss that?
B92 do you let his fool's comments through for as a joke only? I think you do.

lol @ Serbia being a "real country"

We have to accept that we lost Kosovo in 1999, and we have to try to live with it. We will be together with Kosovo after both of us will be in EU. Believe or not, Albania is closer to Kosovo than Serbia

"Kosovo, of course, is in no position to say 'no' to these offers of the European Union. However, Kosovo should not be satisfied with this, and even manipulate its public opinion (to believe) that the EU is treating it as any other state. That, simply put, is not the case," said the newspaper.


Wise words. Yes, politicians in Pristina never stop to create the illusion that Kosovo is a sovereign state. But the reality is that it is a nothing more and nothing less than a disputed territory like Taiwan, Northern Cyprus, Palestine, South Ossetia..., i.e. not like a any other UN member state.

Kosovo's chances to join EU are just as high as Serbia's. 22 (soon 23) vs. 5. The allies of each side will block the other one, while nothing changes on the ground. Kosovo was in far less favorable situation during the 1990s, when nobody hold anything on them. Now, the have the support of round about 100 states. There won't be a going back.

Nevertheless, the Koha report is accurate. The main problem for internal problems bears a name. It is Thaci and it is good that Koha points that out.

If Serbia plays its card right this year, it would be very likely that at least 2 more EU states supporting Serbia's territorial integrity. We could end up with 7 EU States instead of 5. (e.g. Italy, Czech Rep, Poland)

"The problem these countries and many others see is that Kosovo was unilaterally created by an ethnic minority."

ethnic minority where? i thought serbs were an ethnic minority in Kosova. oh i see, you mean ethnic minority in what was Serbia, well thats really odd, serbs were an ethnic minority in the ottoman empire, as were greeks. could you write anything more stupid?

Unlike many other "objective" commentators who try to hide, I will go straight ahead and say that i am very much pro-Serb.

There is a consensus amongst member states that Kosovo was, after all, a mistake. It opened a window, it created a pattern that could be used in the future (and it will be used) for other extremist groups to achieve the same results.

Kosovo will never be part of the EU, ask any serious person in Brussels. Kosovo is using IPA funds as a tool for countries with serious interests to develop crucial infrastructure important for their business

The real division in the Balkans is Orthodox or Muslim.

Catholics helped Croatia - Orthodox countries must work together.

Balkan Anthropologist - are you a Muslim?

Being a recognized country, having investors does.
Try being recognized and see how far you get. Oops, you have already tried that.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 21:19)

Tawain which is not UN memeber is not receiving any investments according to you genious???

P.S. FYI Kosova is receving invesments, even from Greece.

As far as kosova ending up isolated is not really gone happen. Reminder to all that it will be viewed as a reason to have a referendum and attach itself to Albania, thus being the inemebrship and greater albania closer lol. The choice will be clear

International Telegraph Union and UNESCO next, 2/3 votes are required for membership in these US organisations.
(Ian, UK, 27 November 2012 10:33)

I was meant to say "International Telecommunication Union and UNESCO next, 2/3 votes are required for membership in these UN organisations."
I should take more care in the future.

"Peggy,Kosova is part of Eurovision and FIFA.Albanian from Kosova represented Albania in Eurovision and there are 9 (nine) Albanian players from Kosova representing Albania."
(Dardani, 26 November 2012 17:18)

Great that some Albanian is giving a lot of reasons why there's no real need for a state of Kosovo. See, Albanians can live nicely in Albania, be part of FIFA and participant of Eurovision, and whatever. And they all can proud of Albania being an UN member and use the Albanian phone prefix.

EA

Imagine that this "weak link" manages to outpower Germany, Britain and France by keeping Kosovo unrecognized and treated as a state that is actually not a state in the right sense. Life's a bit.h!
(MikeC, 26 November 2012 17:16)

Let me answer you that question. That would be impossible. You know that the five have very shaky feet....It is more likely that the strongest lings will push for reform within the EU and the more realistic way would be for Kosovo joining Albania. In the meantime Albania and Kosovo can work together to make the formal union smother for example unifying the education system, currency.....You see I have no secrets MikeC...To the point....)))

In the meantime Albania and Kosovo can work together to make the formal union smother for example unifying the education system, currency.....You see I have no secrets MikeC...To the point....)))
(EA, 26 November 2012 20:16)

LOL "in the meantime"? Expats are so damn silly. Kosovo Albanians will completely migrate (back) to Albania, or anywhere else in Europe, in search of a better life before the "meantime" arrives :)

Let me ask you something. What's the difference to serbs if Kosovo is independent or if it unites with Albania?
(MikeC, 26 November 2012 21:53)

Because according to the only true Serb patriot in these forums, Peggy, by becoming part of another UN member, Kosovo get's in the UN.

The problem is that you are under the impression that only Serbia has options. For your own sake, think through the possibilities Albanians have. I am grateful that you underestimate us Albanians. The entire 1900s have been devastating for Albanians, but look what happened shortly after Enver Hoxha, the wheels are in motion, this is definitely something that will continue with ever greater momentum and Serbia is only the first stop and we are far from done with you, the day will also come when we will pay a visit to Greece. But one thing at a time :).
(Nori, 26 November 2012 22:12)

I know that y'all aint done with them Serbs yet. Coz if y'all were, y'all be walking like ducks with sore throats,
and not from your oluja that y'all keep talking about, but from promaja.

Being a member of IMF doesn't make you any money.
Being a recognized country, having investors does.
Try being recognized and see how far you get. Oops, you have already tried that.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 21:19)
Nikolle, and this is where it will stay. You need to be recognized by 5/5 permanent security council members. One can veto your dream down the S bend.
94 Including Australia? What might do you think Australia has in the UN?
(Peggy, 27 November 2012 02:27)

No bieng in the IMF doesn't make you money, but spending and investing money from loans from the IMF can make you money and Kosovo has a great credit rating.
Kosovo is a recognised country and does have investors, this is why Kosovo has the fastest growing economy in Europe.
Kosovo has tried been recongised and it is working, two more recognitions and Kosovo will have over 50% UN members recognising Kosovo.
To gain UN membership you don't need recogniton from "5/5 permanent security council members", you need to not get vetoed by any one of them. And soon enough Russia and China will want something to not get vetoed in security council and the other 3 will have their price.
Australia has a vote in many UN institutions, where there is no veto from the security council; where Kosovo will join like it has with the IMF and World Bank. International Telegraph Union and UNESCO next, 2/3 votes are required for membership in these US organisations.

Peggy,Kosova is part of Eurovision and FIFA.Albanian from Kosova represented Albania in Eurovision and there are 9 (nine) Albanian players from Kosova representing Albania.But thank God people like you never relise that part of the world united with mother Albania.Thank God Ladys like you defend Serbia today and the results are known around the atmosfere.Now if you want to know we are members of UN too.

The only way they will get into EU or UN is being part of Serbia. Not Albania, only Serbia.
They wont even get into FIFA or Eurovision without Serbia. They will, however, keep getting into Miss World and get third place or so just out of pity but that's it.
They are free to move to Albania if they wish to live in a real country besides Serbia. Nobody will shed a tear.
It's time they woke up.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 14:06)

If you dream for Albs to be part of Serbia you will be dreaming for a very very long time.
Since Albanians in the Balkans aim towards a unification, the logical move is to be represented through Albania itself. They have and are doing so. Many K-Alb play for Alb national teams and last year indeed Alb was represented by a singer from Kosovo in Eurovision.

The truth is that the center of influence in Kosovo is Tirana and not Belgrade, and that when you think you are giving them a lesson, you are doing exactly the opposite, you are uniting them into a de-facto unified state/people. That is only in the best interest of Albanians as now they can form larger economic markets and share resources.

I believe this is an opportunity Albs are not taking full advantage of.

I think it's time for you to wake up.

The problem is that you are under the impression that only Serbia has options. For your own sake, think through the possibilities Albanians have. I am grateful that you underestimate us Albanians. The entire 1900s have been devastating for Albanians, but look what happened shortly after Enver Hoxha, the wheels are in motion, this is definitely something that will continue with ever greater momentum and Serbia is only the first stop and we are far from done with you, the day will also come when we will pay a visit to Greece. But one thing at a time :).

Kosova is not part of eu UN or NATO. Kosova has been officially independent since 2008.

Serbia has been independent since the late 1800s I believe.
They are also not part of eu or NATO. They are part of UN.

Albania is part of UN and NATO and soon to be eu. Actually they will be the next Balkan nation to join he eu. Montenegro will not join as soon as people think because of the big influence Russia holds there.

As Albania has the fastest growing economy in the region they will take the leadership role.

Croatia and Montenegro are too busy looking towards the eu to even attempt this.

Albania will eventually have a say so in who joins NATO and eu next.

I wonder if they will side with their own brethren or the Serb terrorists who have been trying to exterminate them since they arrived here in the Balkans.

I know a lot of people will laugh at Albania being the regional leader but they will fail to see that Croatia is a German playground and Montenegro is a Russian playground.

Albania produces the most electricity in the region will soon be part of the amb ( alb makedonia Bulgaria ) pipeline and also has the largest known oil reserves under European soil.

Serbia was big and powerful but Serbia is an old wrinkled senile lady now, sure she was beautiful at one time but age did not do her any favors.

God bless you all
Happy 100 yrs Albania.
At 200 hopefully you will also have your other 4 brothers
Shqiperia, malesia Madhe, kosova, shkupi, presova, qameria

The only way they will get into EU or UN is being part of Serbia. Not Albania, only Serbia.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 14:06)

So, if Kosovo agrees with the more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence solution, Serbia will not object to Kosovo becoming a UN member ?
(icj1, 26 November 2012 17:18)
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There is your lack of comprehension again.
PART OF SERBIA!! How did you miss that?
B92 do you let his fool's comments through for as a joke only? I think you do.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 21:13)

Sorry, it's difficult to comprehend things that don't make sense. If Kosovo were to aspire for UN membership as part of another country, it can very easily do that as part of Albania, the same way that it can do it as part of Serbia. I know you wish that Kosovo does it via Serbia, but unfortunately it's not you who calls the shots in Kosovo.

Btw, Kosovo was already in the UN as part of Serbia and decided to renounce that, so obviously it prefers not being in the UN at all, vs being in the UN as part of Serbia. However, please don't get discouraged and keep up the good work because I'm sure Kosovo appreciates your concern for getting Kosovo in the UN one way or another using creative solutions :)

Being a member of IMF doesn't make you any money.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 21:19)

It certainly makes a country eligible for IMF money. It's better than being a UN member since UN has no money at all.
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Being a recognized country, having investors does.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 21:19)

Kosovo is already recognized country, in case you missed it. Moreover, after Vuk's tireless efforts, it's DI is also in accordance with int'l law giving investors legal security that Serbia can legally do nothing against them.

The problem with investors is that they don't like to invest in a country where irresponsible and corrupt politicians rule and who think 'democracy' is only good for faking elections.
(Comm. Parrisson, 27 November 2012 10:27)

Of course, that’s true for Kosovo, Serbia, Albanians, etc and has nothing to do with whether Kosovo is dependent or independent from Serbia
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Furthermore, until the ownership is clear, nobody will invest in, for example, 'Kosovo Telecom', because at least parts of its 'property' is usurped from Telekom Srbija, so investors can expect court proceedings.
(Comm. Parrisson, 27 November 2012 10:27)

The property ownership is very clear; according to Art. 159 of Kosovo’s Constitution, which is in accordance with the Kosovo’s DI which is in accordance with international law, all socially owned interests in property and enterprises in Kosovo shall be owned by the Republic of Kosovo. So, sure, go ahead and institute court proceedings, but I’m not sure on what grounds :)

But what you dont understand is that no matter all of this, it still wont give Kosovo back to you, i admitt it will make the life of ordinary citizens hard but thats nothing that we are not used to, at least we are no longer oppressed.
(Nori, 26 November 2012 15:19)

Dear, but you're missing the point. Serbs have an all-or-nothing mentality. So, from that point of view, Kosovo either has to be the paradise on Earth or it has to be under Serbia - there are no intermediate situations such as removing, at least, one problem, i.e. Serbia's control over Kosovo.

Nor Serbia does not need to recognize the independence of Kosovo because after she gets the north Kosovo with 1,300 km2 then the rest of Kosovo will become part of Albania but Serbia should just improve relations with it,the recognition is not necessary,5 others EU member and 4 part of NATO will never recognize Kosovo,Slovakia-Romania because of the Hungarian regions,Greece because of the relations with Serbia,Cyprus it is clear for what and Spain after she will lose Catalonia in the next two years she doesn't want to lose 4 other non-Spanish regions.

Imagine that this "weak link" manages to outpower Germany, Britain and France by keeping Kosovo unrecognized and treated as a state that is actually not a state in the right sense. Life's a bit.h!
(MikeC, 26 November 2012 17:16)

Sorry, but for your information, the "weak links' have not been very successful by keeping Kosovo unrecognized by Germany, Britain and France because they have all recognized it :)

scepticism, 26 November 2012 18:12)
It is good that you described yourself as a pro-Serb as NO ONE would have ever guessed it from your post. I would label it hard core Serb at least. The problem is that you like many others here take the SErb point of view and project it onto the rest of the world.
There is no consensus among member states that Kosovo was a mistake, if so there would not be 22 for and 5 against.
The 5 have been adament from day one that they opposed recognition of Kosovo so I do not understand the "strengthening". However, IF, Serbia becomes a EU member it will be under terms that the others would have no opposition to its recognition, that is the reason for the big push for Serbia in the EU not because it will be some type of salvation for the EU.
As far as joining the EU or the UN or NATO, these are not things that could ever be used to convince a reunification with Serbia.

Out of those 5 countries, only 1 means anything on the world stage. Spain and their usefulness is wearing thin, in 4 years Spain will likely be smaller anyway, the Catalans seem destined to separate and you would think that new nation would recognize Kosovo.

Greece is in the news too but for all the wrong reasons.

When will Serbs wake up and realize clinging to this land makes their nation weak? Gotta love the insanity of misguided nationalism.

Taiwan is receiving investments. I never said they didn't but.....
that's ok because China doesn't have a problem with what is goin on there. Taiwan has the freedom to conduct it's own business with China's blessing but they cannot get independence. Investors are confident there won't be any dispute about who owns what.
This is something Serbia would accept with Kosovo.
Then the rest of the world would treat Kosovo the same way they treat Taiwan and you would get investors and people there would enjoy a better
(Peggy, 27 November 2012 23:13)

Ok, that's a great solution. You or Serbia are free to think that Kosovo is like Taiwan. Kosovo does not have any objection to that, and even if it did, it can't certainly control Serbia's thoughts. Problem solved.

"Great that some Albanian is giving a lot of reasons why there's no real need for a state of Kosovo. See, Albanians can live nicely in Albania, be part of FIFA and participant of Eurovision, and whatever. And they all can proud of Albania being an UN member and use the Albanian phone prefix."

Is this a covert way of condoning ethnic cleansing? yes, by the same token, those serbs unhappy in Kosova, can always take the bus and move North to Serbia and be happy. we'll be happy to live in Kosova and at the same time be part of FIFA and participant of Eurovision, and whatever.

" Oops, you have already tried that"

yes, and we're recognized by 3/5 permanent security council members and 94 UN states [(including your own Ausitralia :-)]. no one has ever believed that by year 4 the diplomatic would be over. i tell you what is over however, Serbia's rules permeating over here. but its OK, you can always dream about it

Serbia can in fact do the same. Stay out of EU and NATO and be a neutral nation. Develop ties with the region and improve the economy and employment.
(A.P, 26 November 2012 20:53)
And Haiti could become the new dominant tourist and business center of the Carribean too, will either one accomplish these tasks, not in our lifetime.

" Moreover, after Vuk's tireless efforts, it's DI is also in accordance with int'l law giving investors legal security that Serbia can legally do nothing against them."
(icj1, 27 November 2012 02:50)

The problem with investors is that they don't like to invest in a country where irresponsible and corrupt politicians rule and who think 'democracy' is only good for faking elections.

Furthermore, until the ownership is clear, nobody will invest in, for example, 'Kosovo Telecom', because at least parts of its 'property' is usurped from Telekom Srbija, so investors can expect court proceedings.

(Toma, 27 November 2012 01:15) - you forgot Gazsjellësi TAP!

"Because according to the only true Serb patriot in these forums, Peggy, by becoming part of another UN member, Kosovo get's in the UN."

icj1

By joining Albania Kosovo gets in the UN? Does it really? It becoms an observer to Albania in the UN. If it joins with Albanian it joins under the name Albania and not Kosovo. Besides, in a way RS is already part of Serbia, however, it needs to be recognized around the world as part of Serbia as well. Same goes for Kosovo and its relation to Albania. You think you are one but it needs to be recognized as such by the rest of the world.

Tawain which is not UN memeber is not receiving any investments according to you genious???

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Taiwan is receiving investments. I never said they didn't but.....
that's ok because China doesn't have a problem with what is goin on there. Taiwan has the freedom to conduct it's own business with China's blessing but they cannot get independence. Investors are confident there won't be any dispute about who owns what.
This is something Serbia would accept with Kosovo.
Then the rest of the world would treat Kosovo the same way they treat Taiwan and you would get investors and people there would enjoy a better life.
Until then you are going nowere and can only expect charity but not forever. People get tired of giving with nothing in return.

The only way they will get into EU or UN is being part of Serbia. Not Albania, only Serbia.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 14:06)

So, if Kosovo agrees with the more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence solution, Serbia will not object to Kosovo becoming a UN member ?

yes, and we're recognized by 3/5 permanent security council members and 94 UN states [(including your own Ausitralia :-)].
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Nikolle, and this is where it will stay. You need to be recognized by 5/5 permanent security council members. One can veto your dream down the S bend.
94 Including Australia? What might do you think Australia has in the UN?

"Nevertheless, the Koha report is accurate. The main problem for internal problems bears a name. It is Thaci and it is good that Koha points that out."
(Commentator, 26 November 2012 15:06)

Unfortunately, it has more names: Like Haradinaj, Limaj, Kurti and some dozens (hundreds) more of those 'honorable persons' who captured the political life in Kosovo.

The problem with investors is that they don't like to invest in a country where irresponsible and corrupt politicians rule and who think 'democracy' is only good for faking elections.
(Comm. Parrisson, 27 November 2012 10:27)
You know you keep harping on that even though there were 2nd elections held in contested places and observers stated that the elections were fair.
But you never speak of the Serbian election. In the first round Tadic beat Nikolic, and then right before the runoff, comes the report and pictures of Nikolic holding ballots supposedly that were discarded and promising to have them investigated, then he wins the runoff and no one ever hears any more. Is there any possibility that it was not a stunt to sway the election? Now the suddenly roundup of any and all opposition(only) parties in the goal to clean up corruption. I think if you are looking at dirty politicians and election fraud you only need to open your own front door.

Thanks for the detailed lecture, but there is no need to convince me. I was just quoting the only true Serb patriot in these forums, Peggy, who strongly believes that Kosovo can get in the UN by becoming part of a UN member state.
(icj1, 28 November 2012 00:43)
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I will thank you not to twist what I say to suit your twisted way of thinking.
I NEVER said that Kosovo should join Serbia in order to get into UN. Kosovo is a part of Serbia so as a part of Serbia (like any other part of Serbia) it will be in the UN as SERBIA not Kosovo.

Do you understand it now or are you going to continue to twist my words?
Even if you do continue to twist what I say at least everyone else reading my posts knows what I mean.

By joining Albania Kosovo gets in the UN? Does it really? It becoms an observer to Albania in the UN. If it joins with Albanian it joins under the name Albania and not Kosovo. Besides, in a way RS is already part of Serbia, however, it needs to be recognized around the world as part of Serbia as well. Same goes for Kosovo and its relation to Albania. You think you are one but it needs to be recognized as such by the rest of the world.
(MikeC, 27 November 2012 21:23)

Thanks for the detailed lecture, but there is no need to convince me. I was just quoting the only true Serb patriot in these forums, Peggy, who strongly believes that Kosovo can get in the UN by becoming part of a UN member state.

....the five - Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Slovakia, and Spain. The weakest links,,,,,

How many times have Albanians come to this site and said that it's only a matter of time before the five recognize them?

The only way they will get into EU or UN is being part of Serbia. Not Albania, only Serbia.
They wont even get into FIFA or Eurovision without Serbia. They will, however, keep getting into Miss World and get third place or so just out of pity but that's it.
They are free to move to Albania if they wish to live in a real country besides Serbia. Nobody will shed a tear.
It's time they woke up.

I really dont care if those countries never recognise Kosova, all i care is Kosova is no longer part of Serbia the rest we can live with.

Happy 100 years my dear ALBANIA!

"The problem these countries and many others see is that Kosovo was unilaterally created by an ethnic minority."

ethnic minority where? i thought serbs were an ethnic minority in Kosova. oh i see, you mean ethnic minority in what was Serbia, well thats really odd, serbs were an ethnic minority in the ottoman empire, as were greeks. could you write anything more stupid?

We have to accept that we lost Kosovo in 1999, and we have to try to live with it. We will be together with Kosovo after both of us will be in EU. Believe or not, Albania is closer to Kosovo than Serbia

what are you on about Peggy? you think Serbia is keeping Kosova hostage? hostage to what? we sure as hell didn't need Serbia's blessing to become a member of the IMF or the World Bank. visa liberalization talks are due to start next year, we sure as hell don't need Serbia's blessing for that either. but don't worry, we'll send you a postcard to Australia from the 'chosen land'. greetings from Prishtina, doesn't look Serbian today either

@ Ari, Peggy i must say its always a delight to read your comments .
And Ari the reason why i personally comment is because you are so freaking annoying, Peggy is something other then annoying i dont even know how to explain what Peggy is. And the reason why i read the news on B92 is because i like to keep myself informed, i want to know how the thinking is on serbias most liberal newpaper, and B92 is far from the only news i read.

We in Kosovo ar not delusional about anything we know exactly where we are and nobody is saying that where we are today is good enough, far from it. There is so much more that has to be done, firstly we also have to steer away from the blindness of adjoining EU, we have to work within and strengthen the country from within but thats easy said and very hard to do especially when you have neighbors wont cooperate.

But what you dont understand is that no matter all of this, it still wont give Kosovo back to you, i admitt it will make the life of ordinary citizens hard but thats nothing that we are not used to, at least we are no longer oppressed.

You always have the option of waging another war against Kosovo but i cant see how that would help you it most probably wouldent.

lol @ Serbia being a "real country"

As far as kosova ending up isolated is not really gone happen. Reminder to all that it will be viewed as a reason to have a referendum and attach itself to Albania, thus being the inemebrship and greater albania closer lol. The choice will be clear

Peggy,Kosova is part of Eurovision and FIFA.Albanian from Kosova represented Albania in Eurovision and there are 9 (nine) Albanian players from Kosova representing Albania.But thank God people like you never relise that part of the world united with mother Albania.Thank God Ladys like you defend Serbia today and the results are known around the atmosfere.Now if you want to know we are members of UN too.

" Oops, you have already tried that"

yes, and we're recognized by 3/5 permanent security council members and 94 UN states [(including your own Ausitralia :-)]. no one has ever believed that by year 4 the diplomatic would be over. i tell you what is over however, Serbia's rules permeating over here. but its OK, you can always dream about it

If Serbia plays its card right this year, it would be very likely that at least 2 more EU states supporting Serbia's territorial integrity. We could end up with 7 EU States instead of 5. (e.g. Italy, Czech Rep, Poland)

However, Kosovo should not be satisfied with this, and even manipulate its public opinion (to believe) that the EU is treating it as any other state. That, simply put, is not the case," said the newspaper, noting that "Kosovo is being treated differently, and has accepted to be treated differently".

Because it is not a state, it is a occupied province and a disputed territory.

There is no getting around that fact, IDC if 50 more Albanians make it their day job and life long ambition to convince the readers of B92 otherwise.

The problem is that you are under the impression that only Serbia has options. For your own sake, think through the possibilities Albanians have. I am grateful that you underestimate us Albanians. The entire 1900s have been devastating for Albanians, but look what happened shortly after Enver Hoxha, the wheels are in motion, this is definitely something that will continue with ever greater momentum and Serbia is only the first stop and we are far from done with you, the day will also come when we will pay a visit to Greece. But one thing at a time :).

The only way they will get into EU or UN is being part of Serbia. Not Albania, only Serbia.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 14:06)

So, if Kosovo agrees with the more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence solution, Serbia will not object to Kosovo becoming a UN member ?

EA

Imagine that this "weak link" manages to outpower Germany, Britain and France by keeping Kosovo unrecognized and treated as a state that is actually not a state in the right sense. Life's a bit.h!
(MikeC, 26 November 2012 17:16)

Let me answer you that question. That would be impossible. You know that the five have very shaky feet....It is more likely that the strongest lings will push for reform within the EU and the more realistic way would be for Kosovo joining Albania. In the meantime Albania and Kosovo can work together to make the formal union smother for example unifying the education system, currency.....You see I have no secrets MikeC...To the point....)))

"Great that some Albanian is giving a lot of reasons why there's no real need for a state of Kosovo. See, Albanians can live nicely in Albania, be part of FIFA and participant of Eurovision, and whatever. And they all can proud of Albania being an UN member and use the Albanian phone prefix."

Is this a covert way of condoning ethnic cleansing? yes, by the same token, those serbs unhappy in Kosova, can always take the bus and move North to Serbia and be happy. we'll be happy to live in Kosova and at the same time be part of FIFA and participant of Eurovision, and whatever.

Kosovo's chances to join EU are just as high as Serbia's. 22 (soon 23) vs. 5. The allies of each side will block the other one, while nothing changes on the ground. Kosovo was in far less favorable situation during the 1990s, when nobody hold anything on them. Now, the have the support of round about 100 states. There won't be a going back.

Nevertheless, the Koha report is accurate. The main problem for internal problems bears a name. It is Thaci and it is good that Koha points that out.

"They will, however, keep getting into Miss World and get third place or so just out of pity but that's it."

Hey, don't be jealous just because we got some of the prettiest women in the Universe ;)

oh wow.

first an Albanian tries to pretend some kind of literacy, and then I see another Albanian pretending to be a serb "Adam" who "accepts" Kosovo being a state...

gee, what are you guys dreaming about???


@Nori: I think you´re wrong. if all other means fail, waging war would help, of course.
those Albanians who lived in KiM prior to 1999 should be given the right to decide for themselves either to stay or to live within serbian borders on serbian territory, and if not, they should be free to leave.

but I think Serbia will do it smarter, much smarter, once the time has come.

but it is still too early, we are just at the beginning of a change. and your problem will be, that you´re not an asian "country"... because the US will focus on Asia in the future.

so don´t be so foolish to believe what Mrs.Clinton has babbled about on her visit in southern Serbia.

....the five - Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Slovakia, and Spain. The weakest links,,,,,
(EA, 26 November 2012 14:24)

LOL so how come your elected dimwits can't get the "weakest links" to recognize? Say whatever you want to make your expat ego feel better but ff they're Europe's weakest links, Kosovo* is Europe's abandoned wreck :)

"Kosovo, of course, is in no position to say 'no' to these offers of the European Union. However, Kosovo should not be satisfied with this, and even manipulate its public opinion (to believe) that the EU is treating it as any other state. That, simply put, is not the case," said the newspaper.


Wise words. Yes, politicians in Pristina never stop to create the illusion that Kosovo is a sovereign state. But the reality is that it is a nothing more and nothing less than a disputed territory like Taiwan, Northern Cyprus, Palestine, South Ossetia..., i.e. not like a any other UN member state.

But what you dont understand is that no matter all of this, it still wont give Kosovo back to you, i admitt it will make the life of ordinary citizens hard but thats nothing that we are not used to, at least we are no longer oppressed.
(Nori, 26 November 2012 15:19)

Dear, but you're missing the point. Serbs have an all-or-nothing mentality. So, from that point of view, Kosovo either has to be the paradise on Earth or it has to be under Serbia - there are no intermediate situations such as removing, at least, one problem, i.e. Serbia's control over Kosovo.

The only way they will get into EU or UN is being part of Serbia. Not Albania, only Serbia.
They wont even get into FIFA or Eurovision without Serbia. They will, however, keep getting into Miss World and get third place or so just out of pity but that's it.
They are free to move to Albania if they wish to live in a real country besides Serbia. Nobody will shed a tear.
It's time they woke up.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 14:06)

If you dream for Albs to be part of Serbia you will be dreaming for a very very long time.
Since Albanians in the Balkans aim towards a unification, the logical move is to be represented through Albania itself. They have and are doing so. Many K-Alb play for Alb national teams and last year indeed Alb was represented by a singer from Kosovo in Eurovision.

The truth is that the center of influence in Kosovo is Tirana and not Belgrade, and that when you think you are giving them a lesson, you are doing exactly the opposite, you are uniting them into a de-facto unified state/people. That is only in the best interest of Albanians as now they can form larger economic markets and share resources.

I believe this is an opportunity Albs are not taking full advantage of.

I think it's time for you to wake up.

Serbia can in fact do the same. Stay out of EU and NATO and be a neutral nation. Develop ties with the region and improve the economy and employment.
(A.P, 26 November 2012 20:53)
And Haiti could become the new dominant tourist and business center of the Carribean too, will either one accomplish these tasks, not in our lifetime.

Imagine that this "weak link" manages to outpower Germany, Britain and France by keeping Kosovo unrecognized and treated as a state that is actually not a state in the right sense. Life's a bit.h!
(MikeC, 26 November 2012 17:16)

Sorry, but for your information, the "weak links' have not been very successful by keeping Kosovo unrecognized by Germany, Britain and France because they have all recognized it :)

Nik- It s true you have tried to erase Serbia from kosovo. But no matter how many churches and graveyards you defile, Serbian soul will forever be there. Lets be honest, it was much better for kalbs before the war ( and i was there a lot). Run now by by a narco kleptocracy, clan based politics that belongs to the stone age, racism like nothing existing today. What a paradise. Albanians couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery, except with the help of fellow minded organ harvesters. It is a stillborn birth, and will forever remain thus until you accept a fair deal. And as war goes, be careful what you wish for, you might just get it. Greater Albania is dead.

We have to accept that we lost Kosovo in 1999, and we have to try to live with it. We will be together with Kosovo after both of us will be in EU. Believe or not, Albania is closer to Kosovo than Serbia
(Adam, 26 November 2012 14:53)

We? Who the hell is we?! I guess if you consider yourself a Serb over the keyboard and "break the reality" to the rest of them, maybe they will start coming around to the idea that the occupation is legal and accepted by the world.

Oh the efforts the Serbophobes go will never cease to amaze me. Their commitment to Serbia is incredible.

Thanks "Adam"

lol @ Serbia being a "real country"
(Danilo, 26 November 2012 14:45)

Quit the WUM'ming troll.

Reminder to all that it will be viewed as a reason to have a referendum and attach itself to Albania...
(Une, 26 November 2012 14:55)
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LOL! Try it my friend and you will be extending Serbia's borders all the way to the Adriatic and Mediterranean. If you don't like it, perhaps you can go home to Turkey instead?

Nor Serbia does not need to recognize the independence of Kosovo because after she gets the north Kosovo with 1,300 km2 then the rest of Kosovo will become part of Albania but Serbia should just improve relations with it,the recognition is not necessary,5 others EU member and 4 part of NATO will never recognize Kosovo,Slovakia-Romania because of the Hungarian regions,Greece because of the relations with Serbia,Cyprus it is clear for what and Spain after she will lose Catalonia in the next two years she doesn't want to lose 4 other non-Spanish regions.

Unlike many other "objective" commentators who try to hide, I will go straight ahead and say that i am very much pro-Serb.

There is a consensus amongst member states that Kosovo was, after all, a mistake. It opened a window, it created a pattern that could be used in the future (and it will be used) for other extremist groups to achieve the same results.

Kosovo will never be part of the EU, ask any serious person in Brussels. Kosovo is using IPA funds as a tool for countries with serious interests to develop crucial infrastructure important for their business

The real division in the Balkans is Orthodox or Muslim.

Catholics helped Croatia - Orthodox countries must work together.

Balkan Anthropologist - are you a Muslim?

scepticism, 26 November 2012 18:12)
It is good that you described yourself as a pro-Serb as NO ONE would have ever guessed it from your post. I would label it hard core Serb at least. The problem is that you like many others here take the SErb point of view and project it onto the rest of the world.
There is no consensus among member states that Kosovo was a mistake, if so there would not be 22 for and 5 against.
The 5 have been adament from day one that they opposed recognition of Kosovo so I do not understand the "strengthening". However, IF, Serbia becomes a EU member it will be under terms that the others would have no opposition to its recognition, that is the reason for the big push for Serbia in the EU not because it will be some type of salvation for the EU.
As far as joining the EU or the UN or NATO, these are not things that could ever be used to convince a reunification with Serbia.

what are you on about Peggy? you think Serbia is keeping Kosova hostage? hostage to what? we sure as hell didn't need Serbia's blessing to become a member of the IMF or the World Bank
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Being a member of IMF doesn't make you any money.
Being a recognized country, having investors does.
Try being recognized and see how far you get. Oops, you have already tried that.

Thanks for the detailed lecture, but there is no need to convince me. I was just quoting the only true Serb patriot in these forums, Peggy, who strongly believes that Kosovo can get in the UN by becoming part of a UN member state.
(icj1, 28 November 2012 00:43)
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I will thank you not to twist what I say to suit your twisted way of thinking.
I NEVER said that Kosovo should join Serbia in order to get into UN. Kosovo is a part of Serbia so as a part of Serbia (like any other part of Serbia) it will be in the UN as SERBIA not Kosovo.

Do you understand it now or are you going to continue to twist my words?
Even if you do continue to twist what I say at least everyone else reading my posts knows what I mean.

"In a commentary published on Monday, Koha Ditore notices that the opposition to Kosovo's independence is strengthening among the five - Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Slovakia, and Spain."

Strengthening? Why? These five countries always openly said that they won't recognize a unilaterally declared state of Kosovo. So: Nothing new about that.


By the way, it's not about an INDEPENDENT Kosovo: I'm sure that none of these states would oppose a Kosovo created after a mutual agreement with Serbia was reached. The problem these countries and many others see is that Kosovo was unilaterally created by an ethnic minority.

"....the five - Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Slovakia, and Spain. The weakest links"

EA

Imagine that this "weak link" manages to outpower Germany, Britain and France by keeping Kosovo unrecognized and treated as a state that is actually not a state in the right sense. Life's a bit.h!

Mr/Mrs EA, and other loons, Kosovo is not joining any Albania anytime soon. It is not a sovereign nation, and does not make any decisions for itself. It is still an administered protectorate, and will remain so for the forseeable future. And honestly, do you separatists really believe that the West would allow Kosovo to just break off and unite with Albania? And what makes you think that Albania even wants Kosovo incorporated? They are poor enough without another 2 million hungry Albanians from neighboring Serbia. What world do you people live in?

EA

You think that constantly threatening to unite Kosovo and Albania is scaring anyone? Let me ask you something. What's the difference to serbs if Kosovo is independent or if it unites with Albania? Same sh.t different package.
You say that these 5 countries who refuse to recognize have "very shaky feet" yet you rejoice when a country of 25 people somewhere in the pacific recognizes Kosovo. And I bet these countries would be the most prominent should they decide to recognize Kosovo. You twist and turn every situation to fit your purpose. You albanians can be read like an open book.

Kosova is not part of eu UN or NATO. Kosova has been officially independent since 2008.

Serbia has been independent since the late 1800s I believe.
They are also not part of eu or NATO. They are part of UN.

Albania is part of UN and NATO and soon to be eu. Actually they will be the next Balkan nation to join he eu. Montenegro will not join as soon as people think because of the big influence Russia holds there.

As Albania has the fastest growing economy in the region they will take the leadership role.

Croatia and Montenegro are too busy looking towards the eu to even attempt this.

Albania will eventually have a say so in who joins NATO and eu next.

I wonder if they will side with their own brethren or the Serb terrorists who have been trying to exterminate them since they arrived here in the Balkans.

I know a lot of people will laugh at Albania being the regional leader but they will fail to see that Croatia is a German playground and Montenegro is a Russian playground.

Albania produces the most electricity in the region will soon be part of the amb ( alb makedonia Bulgaria ) pipeline and also has the largest known oil reserves under European soil.

Serbia was big and powerful but Serbia is an old wrinkled senile lady now, sure she was beautiful at one time but age did not do her any favors.

God bless you all
Happy 100 yrs Albania.
At 200 hopefully you will also have your other 4 brothers
Shqiperia, malesia Madhe, kosova, shkupi, presova, qameria

Tawain which is not UN memeber is not receiving any investments according to you genious???

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Taiwan is receiving investments. I never said they didn't but.....
that's ok because China doesn't have a problem with what is goin on there. Taiwan has the freedom to conduct it's own business with China's blessing but they cannot get independence. Investors are confident there won't be any dispute about who owns what.
This is something Serbia would accept with Kosovo.
Then the rest of the world would treat Kosovo the same way they treat Taiwan and you would get investors and people there would enjoy a better life.
Until then you are going nowere and can only expect charity but not forever. People get tired of giving with nothing in return.

"Peggy,Kosova is part of Eurovision and FIFA.Albanian from Kosova represented Albania in Eurovision and there are 9 (nine) Albanian players from Kosova representing Albania."
(Dardani, 26 November 2012 17:18)

Great that some Albanian is giving a lot of reasons why there's no real need for a state of Kosovo. See, Albanians can live nicely in Albania, be part of FIFA and participant of Eurovision, and whatever. And they all can proud of Albania being an UN member and use the Albanian phone prefix.

The only way they will get into EU or UN is being part of Serbia. Not Albania, only Serbia.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 14:06)

So, if Kosovo agrees with the more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence solution, Serbia will not object to Kosovo becoming a UN member ?
(icj1, 26 November 2012 17:18)
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There is your lack of comprehension again.
PART OF SERBIA!! How did you miss that?
B92 do you let his fool's comments through for as a joke only? I think you do.

The problem is that you are under the impression that only Serbia has options. For your own sake, think through the possibilities Albanians have. I am grateful that you underestimate us Albanians. The entire 1900s have been devastating for Albanians, but look what happened shortly after Enver Hoxha, the wheels are in motion, this is definitely something that will continue with ever greater momentum and Serbia is only the first stop and we are far from done with you, the day will also come when we will pay a visit to Greece. But one thing at a time :).
(Nori, 26 November 2012 22:12)

I know that y'all aint done with them Serbs yet. Coz if y'all were, y'all be walking like ducks with sore throats,
and not from your oluja that y'all keep talking about, but from promaja.

Being a member of IMF doesn't make you any money.
Being a recognized country, having investors does.
Try being recognized and see how far you get. Oops, you have already tried that.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 21:19)
Nikolle, and this is where it will stay. You need to be recognized by 5/5 permanent security council members. One can veto your dream down the S bend.
94 Including Australia? What might do you think Australia has in the UN?
(Peggy, 27 November 2012 02:27)

No bieng in the IMF doesn't make you money, but spending and investing money from loans from the IMF can make you money and Kosovo has a great credit rating.
Kosovo is a recognised country and does have investors, this is why Kosovo has the fastest growing economy in Europe.
Kosovo has tried been recongised and it is working, two more recognitions and Kosovo will have over 50% UN members recognising Kosovo.
To gain UN membership you don't need recogniton from "5/5 permanent security council members", you need to not get vetoed by any one of them. And soon enough Russia and China will want something to not get vetoed in security council and the other 3 will have their price.
Australia has a vote in many UN institutions, where there is no veto from the security council; where Kosovo will join like it has with the IMF and World Bank. International Telegraph Union and UNESCO next, 2/3 votes are required for membership in these US organisations.

The problem with investors is that they don't like to invest in a country where irresponsible and corrupt politicians rule and who think 'democracy' is only good for faking elections.
(Comm. Parrisson, 27 November 2012 10:27)

Of course, that’s true for Kosovo, Serbia, Albanians, etc and has nothing to do with whether Kosovo is dependent or independent from Serbia
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Furthermore, until the ownership is clear, nobody will invest in, for example, 'Kosovo Telecom', because at least parts of its 'property' is usurped from Telekom Srbija, so investors can expect court proceedings.
(Comm. Parrisson, 27 November 2012 10:27)

The property ownership is very clear; according to Art. 159 of Kosovo’s Constitution, which is in accordance with the Kosovo’s DI which is in accordance with international law, all socially owned interests in property and enterprises in Kosovo shall be owned by the Republic of Kosovo. So, sure, go ahead and institute court proceedings, but I’m not sure on what grounds :)

By joining Albania Kosovo gets in the UN? Does it really? It becoms an observer to Albania in the UN. If it joins with Albanian it joins under the name Albania and not Kosovo. Besides, in a way RS is already part of Serbia, however, it needs to be recognized around the world as part of Serbia as well. Same goes for Kosovo and its relation to Albania. You think you are one but it needs to be recognized as such by the rest of the world.
(MikeC, 27 November 2012 21:23)

Thanks for the detailed lecture, but there is no need to convince me. I was just quoting the only true Serb patriot in these forums, Peggy, who strongly believes that Kosovo can get in the UN by becoming part of a UN member state.

"oh i see, you mean ethnic minority in what was Serbia, well thats really odd, serbs were an ethnic minority in the ottoman empire, as were greeks. could you write anything more stupid?"
(Nikolle, 26 November 2012 16:30)

Something more stupid? I think not. But you, in your wise remarks, unfortunately forgot the Roman empire, where all these places were part of.

Fact is: Unlike Crotaia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Kosovo has never been a state within the federal republic of YU. So yes, Albanians are an ethnic minority within Serbia, just like Hungarians in Vojvodina, Romanians and what ever other ethnicity is living there. And yes, in the 'independent Kosovo', Serbs are a minority. But why not go further? In Northern Kosovo, Albanians are a minority.

Kosovo will be like Western Sahara. Only a small part of it is directly controlled by Morocco but the rest is also not fully independent. [Ex: North Kosovo] Morocco has successfully kept it from joining the UN for the past 35+ years. Morocco is also the only African country that is not part of the African Union however Morocco remains involved in developing the regional economy. Ex: the city of Casablanca contains North Africa's busiest port and serves as the country's economic center. Serbia can in fact do the same. Stay out of EU and NATO and be a neutral nation. Develop ties with the region and improve the economy and employment. Russia and China will NEVER recognize Kosovo as long as Serbia is against it therefore they will never be a part of the UN and be independent as the like to claim. Be smart Serbia!

yes, and we're recognized by 3/5 permanent security council members and 94 UN states [(including your own Ausitralia :-)].
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Nikolle, and this is where it will stay. You need to be recognized by 5/5 permanent security council members. One can veto your dream down the S bend.
94 Including Australia? What might do you think Australia has in the UN?

In the meantime Albania and Kosovo can work together to make the formal union smother for example unifying the education system, currency.....You see I have no secrets MikeC...To the point....)))
(EA, 26 November 2012 20:16)

LOL "in the meantime"? Expats are so damn silly. Kosovo Albanians will completely migrate (back) to Albania, or anywhere else in Europe, in search of a better life before the "meantime" arrives :)

"Nevertheless, the Koha report is accurate. The main problem for internal problems bears a name. It is Thaci and it is good that Koha points that out."
(Commentator, 26 November 2012 15:06)

Unfortunately, it has more names: Like Haradinaj, Limaj, Kurti and some dozens (hundreds) more of those 'honorable persons' who captured the political life in Kosovo.

" Moreover, after Vuk's tireless efforts, it's DI is also in accordance with int'l law giving investors legal security that Serbia can legally do nothing against them."
(icj1, 27 November 2012 02:50)

The problem with investors is that they don't like to invest in a country where irresponsible and corrupt politicians rule and who think 'democracy' is only good for faking elections.

Furthermore, until the ownership is clear, nobody will invest in, for example, 'Kosovo Telecom', because at least parts of its 'property' is usurped from Telekom Srbija, so investors can expect court proceedings.

International Telegraph Union and UNESCO next, 2/3 votes are required for membership in these US organisations.
(Ian, UK, 27 November 2012 10:33)

I was meant to say "International Telecommunication Union and UNESCO next, 2/3 votes are required for membership in these UN organisations."
I should take more care in the future.

Out of those 5 countries, only 1 means anything on the world stage. Spain and their usefulness is wearing thin, in 4 years Spain will likely be smaller anyway, the Catalans seem destined to separate and you would think that new nation would recognize Kosovo.

Greece is in the news too but for all the wrong reasons.

When will Serbs wake up and realize clinging to this land makes their nation weak? Gotta love the insanity of misguided nationalism.

Being a member of IMF doesn't make you any money.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 21:19)

It certainly makes a country eligible for IMF money. It's better than being a UN member since UN has no money at all.
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Being a recognized country, having investors does.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 21:19)

Kosovo is already recognized country, in case you missed it. Moreover, after Vuk's tireless efforts, it's DI is also in accordance with int'l law giving investors legal security that Serbia can legally do nothing against them.

The problem with investors is that they don't like to invest in a country where irresponsible and corrupt politicians rule and who think 'democracy' is only good for faking elections.
(Comm. Parrisson, 27 November 2012 10:27)
You know you keep harping on that even though there were 2nd elections held in contested places and observers stated that the elections were fair.
But you never speak of the Serbian election. In the first round Tadic beat Nikolic, and then right before the runoff, comes the report and pictures of Nikolic holding ballots supposedly that were discarded and promising to have them investigated, then he wins the runoff and no one ever hears any more. Is there any possibility that it was not a stunt to sway the election? Now the suddenly roundup of any and all opposition(only) parties in the goal to clean up corruption. I think if you are looking at dirty politicians and election fraud you only need to open your own front door.

"Because according to the only true Serb patriot in these forums, Peggy, by becoming part of another UN member, Kosovo get's in the UN."

icj1

By joining Albania Kosovo gets in the UN? Does it really? It becoms an observer to Albania in the UN. If it joins with Albanian it joins under the name Albania and not Kosovo. Besides, in a way RS is already part of Serbia, however, it needs to be recognized around the world as part of Serbia as well. Same goes for Kosovo and its relation to Albania. You think you are one but it needs to be recognized as such by the rest of the world.

Taiwan is receiving investments. I never said they didn't but.....
that's ok because China doesn't have a problem with what is goin on there. Taiwan has the freedom to conduct it's own business with China's blessing but they cannot get independence. Investors are confident there won't be any dispute about who owns what.
This is something Serbia would accept with Kosovo.
Then the rest of the world would treat Kosovo the same way they treat Taiwan and you would get investors and people there would enjoy a better
(Peggy, 27 November 2012 23:13)

Ok, that's a great solution. You or Serbia are free to think that Kosovo is like Taiwan. Kosovo does not have any objection to that, and even if it did, it can't certainly control Serbia's thoughts. Problem solved.

The only way they will get into EU or UN is being part of Serbia. Not Albania, only Serbia.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 14:06)

So, if Kosovo agrees with the more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence solution, Serbia will not object to Kosovo becoming a UN member ?
(icj1, 26 November 2012 17:18)
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There is your lack of comprehension again.
PART OF SERBIA!! How did you miss that?
B92 do you let his fool's comments through for as a joke only? I think you do.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 21:13)

Sorry, it's difficult to comprehend things that don't make sense. If Kosovo were to aspire for UN membership as part of another country, it can very easily do that as part of Albania, the same way that it can do it as part of Serbia. I know you wish that Kosovo does it via Serbia, but unfortunately it's not you who calls the shots in Kosovo.

Btw, Kosovo was already in the UN as part of Serbia and decided to renounce that, so obviously it prefers not being in the UN at all, vs being in the UN as part of Serbia. However, please don't get discouraged and keep up the good work because I'm sure Kosovo appreciates your concern for getting Kosovo in the UN one way or another using creative solutions :)

Let me ask you something. What's the difference to serbs if Kosovo is independent or if it unites with Albania?
(MikeC, 26 November 2012 21:53)

Because according to the only true Serb patriot in these forums, Peggy, by becoming part of another UN member, Kosovo get's in the UN.

Being a recognized country, having investors does.
Try being recognized and see how far you get. Oops, you have already tried that.
(Peggy, 26 November 2012 21:19)

Tawain which is not UN memeber is not receiving any investments according to you genious???

P.S. FYI Kosova is receving invesments, even from Greece.

(Toma, 27 November 2012 01:15) - you forgot Gazsjellësi TAP!