Catalonia: Separatist parties win in regional elections

You can understand the Catalans for wanting independence. Catalonia is the richest part of Spain and they don't want their money going to the rest of Spain which in comparison to Catalonia is economically backwards. Catalans want their tax payers money to remain in Catalonia instead of it going to the poorer parts of Spain.
Ian, UK, 26 November 2012 12:00)

By the same token London in UK is the richest part of the country and they would like their money to remain in London instead of subsidising Wales,Northern Ireland or the poorest parts of Northern England.Sould London ask for independence and become a city state similar to Singapore for example or your argument applies only to Spain?

This is good result for people in Balkan.
People in Sandzak and Vojvodina must not lose hope for free life with out Serb.
(Adem, 26 November 2012 10:19)

Ya, something your beloved Bosnia couldn't manage to accomplish right? ;)

"Sandzak" (Raska) is does not even border the Bosniaks in Bosnia how the hell could their unification with Bosnia even be possible if its next to Republika Srpska?

I think b92 should test posters' sanity before being allowed to post. Because otherwise, any moron can just spew whatever they wish.

Catalonia: Separatist parties win in regional elections

B92

Although democratically taken decisions should be respected I am somehow puzzled by the Catalonian's thinking that they will be better off by breaking away from Spain.Their main excuse is based on Us versus them, competing for resources,"we are fed up with subsidising the needier parts of the country",we can do things better than you because we are superior mentality, etc.

Assuming the EU will still be around and Spain will not veto Catalonia's accession into EU-needs ratification by all parliaments- the new state will have a flag and some well paid dignitaries appearing solemnly at the EU boondoggles but eventually their populations will realise that nothing has been achieved of any consequence and they remain as they ever were.

This is good result for people in Balkan.
(Adem, 26 November 2012 10:19)
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Good for the Balkans yes, it means that "Kosova"* will probably never join the EU as you are missing five crucial recognitions. Seeing what the "Kosova"* precedent has created, the EU is starting to fracture itself. It is called Karma.

This is good result for people in Balkan.
People in Sandzak and Vojvodina must not lose hope for free life with out Serb.

By the same token London in UK is the richest part of the country and they would like their money to remain in London instead of subsidising Wales,Northern Ireland or the poorest parts of Northern England.Sould London ask for independence and become a city state similar to Singapore for example or your argument applies only to Spain?
(Leonidas, 26 November 2012 13:57)

If London wants to be on it's own, then let it. I hate the place. I think it is vile s**thole, as soon as you leave the tourist parts of the centre of the city you see how much a living hell London is. I wouldn't live there if I were paid to do so. And personally I don't like my taxes funding the scum of London. Parts of the West of the city are nice and affluent, but it is full of snobbery and stuck-up Tory voting scum.

Also Surrey is the richest part of the UK per capita, then North Yorkshire.

My argument applies everywhere, if the majority of people in a defined area want independence then they should be allowed it. It doesn't matter if it is London, Singapore, Catalonia, Northern Cypus, Kurdistan or Scotland. If they will of the people is majority in favour of independence then their wishes should be rejected.

You can understand the Catalans for wanting independence. Catalonia is the richest part of Spain and they don't want their money going to the rest of Spain which in comparison to Catalonia is economically backwards. Catalans want their tax payers money to remain in Catalonia instead of it going to the poorer parts of Spain.

If Catalan becomes independent, what happens to Spanish Football and la Liga? Surely it'd become a less prestigous league without Barcelona and Espanyol; we'd only see El Clásico in the Champions League?

ya, something your beloved Bosnia couldn't manage to accomplish right? ;)

"Sandzak" (Raska) is does not even border the Bosniaks in Bosnia how the hell could their unification with Bosnia even be possible if its next to Republika Srpska?

I think b92 should test posters' sanity before being allowed to post. Because otherwise, any moron can just spew whatever they wish.
(Ari Gold, 26 November 2012 11:15)
Ari ari your short memory disappointed me , not long time ago you said that enclaves in Kosovo should be under Serbian administration , and should decide by themselves about their lives and you took as an example Azerbaijan and Armenia.
Why shouldn`t this apply to the bosniaks in Sandzak (raska or whatever you wanna call it) ? Double standards much...

though on principle i'd agree with your point ian, but the real challange to what you'd advocate for is where does one draw the line. it is not difficult to find a region where there is a majority who'd be in favour of, say, independence if one allows for continual fractioning of a region. say a geographic third of catalonia has an overwhelming majority who wish independence, where as the remaining two thirds are split near equal, do you then allow for the 1/3 to separate from both catalonia and spain, and finally eu? in canada quebec had a situation very much like that in the 90s separtist referendum. the city of montreal was overwhelmingly in favour staying within canada, where is the rest of the province, geographically most of it, wanted to separte with a high majority.
its a slippery slope once you start letting the populous do what they want.
furthermore consider the current 50 state pettitions within the usa that call for separation from the union. washington's response is simply that it is unconstitutional period. spain says that too, as did yugoslavia.

This is good result for people in Balkan.
People in Sandzak and Vojvodina must not lose hope for free life with out Serb.

By the same token London in UK is the richest part of the country and they would like their money to remain in London instead of subsidising Wales,Northern Ireland or the poorest parts of Northern England.Sould London ask for independence and become a city state similar to Singapore for example or your argument applies only to Spain?
(Leonidas, 26 November 2012 13:57)

If London wants to be on it's own, then let it. I hate the place. I think it is vile s**thole, as soon as you leave the tourist parts of the centre of the city you see how much a living hell London is. I wouldn't live there if I were paid to do so. And personally I don't like my taxes funding the scum of London. Parts of the West of the city are nice and affluent, but it is full of snobbery and stuck-up Tory voting scum.

Also Surrey is the richest part of the UK per capita, then North Yorkshire.

My argument applies everywhere, if the majority of people in a defined area want independence then they should be allowed it. It doesn't matter if it is London, Singapore, Catalonia, Northern Cypus, Kurdistan or Scotland. If they will of the people is majority in favour of independence then their wishes should be rejected.

This is good result for people in Balkan.
People in Sandzak and Vojvodina must not lose hope for free life with out Serb.
(Adem, 26 November 2012 10:19)

Ya, something your beloved Bosnia couldn't manage to accomplish right? ;)

"Sandzak" (Raska) is does not even border the Bosniaks in Bosnia how the hell could their unification with Bosnia even be possible if its next to Republika Srpska?

I think b92 should test posters' sanity before being allowed to post. Because otherwise, any moron can just spew whatever they wish.

You can understand the Catalans for wanting independence. Catalonia is the richest part of Spain and they don't want their money going to the rest of Spain which in comparison to Catalonia is economically backwards. Catalans want their tax payers money to remain in Catalonia instead of it going to the poorer parts of Spain.

If Catalan becomes independent, what happens to Spanish Football and la Liga? Surely it'd become a less prestigous league without Barcelona and Espanyol; we'd only see El Clásico in the Champions League?

This is good result for people in Balkan.
(Adem, 26 November 2012 10:19)
--
Good for the Balkans yes, it means that "Kosova"* will probably never join the EU as you are missing five crucial recognitions. Seeing what the "Kosova"* precedent has created, the EU is starting to fracture itself. It is called Karma.

ya, something your beloved Bosnia couldn't manage to accomplish right? ;)

"Sandzak" (Raska) is does not even border the Bosniaks in Bosnia how the hell could their unification with Bosnia even be possible if its next to Republika Srpska?

I think b92 should test posters' sanity before being allowed to post. Because otherwise, any moron can just spew whatever they wish.
(Ari Gold, 26 November 2012 11:15)
Ari ari your short memory disappointed me , not long time ago you said that enclaves in Kosovo should be under Serbian administration , and should decide by themselves about their lives and you took as an example Azerbaijan and Armenia.
Why shouldn`t this apply to the bosniaks in Sandzak (raska or whatever you wanna call it) ? Double standards much...

Catalonia: Separatist parties win in regional elections

B92

Although democratically taken decisions should be respected I am somehow puzzled by the Catalonian's thinking that they will be better off by breaking away from Spain.Their main excuse is based on Us versus them, competing for resources,"we are fed up with subsidising the needier parts of the country",we can do things better than you because we are superior mentality, etc.

Assuming the EU will still be around and Spain will not veto Catalonia's accession into EU-needs ratification by all parliaments- the new state will have a flag and some well paid dignitaries appearing solemnly at the EU boondoggles but eventually their populations will realise that nothing has been achieved of any consequence and they remain as they ever were.

You can understand the Catalans for wanting independence. Catalonia is the richest part of Spain and they don't want their money going to the rest of Spain which in comparison to Catalonia is economically backwards. Catalans want their tax payers money to remain in Catalonia instead of it going to the poorer parts of Spain.
Ian, UK, 26 November 2012 12:00)

By the same token London in UK is the richest part of the country and they would like their money to remain in London instead of subsidising Wales,Northern Ireland or the poorest parts of Northern England.Sould London ask for independence and become a city state similar to Singapore for example or your argument applies only to Spain?

though on principle i'd agree with your point ian, but the real challange to what you'd advocate for is where does one draw the line. it is not difficult to find a region where there is a majority who'd be in favour of, say, independence if one allows for continual fractioning of a region. say a geographic third of catalonia has an overwhelming majority who wish independence, where as the remaining two thirds are split near equal, do you then allow for the 1/3 to separate from both catalonia and spain, and finally eu? in canada quebec had a situation very much like that in the 90s separtist referendum. the city of montreal was overwhelmingly in favour staying within canada, where is the rest of the province, geographically most of it, wanted to separte with a high majority.
its a slippery slope once you start letting the populous do what they want.
furthermore consider the current 50 state pettitions within the usa that call for separation from the union. washington's response is simply that it is unconstitutional period. spain says that too, as did yugoslavia.