Haitian show me proof and videos of serbs ruining muslim mosques and churches in Kosovo just like you put serb monesterys and churches on fire which you can see urself on youtube. SHOW ME YOUR EVIDENCE!And you can tell americans or other people that dont know what kind of islam you practice that you are "relaxed"when it comes to religion. If you are so "relaxed"how come you have al qaida organized training camps for future jihadists in Kosovo?You train their terrorists and then you send them to Iraq and Afganistan and thats a proven fact!
A bit like the Serbs originally from Kosova which Milosevic and co used to claim were ethnically cleansed. Throughout the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s many Serbs left Kosova for Serbia just because they didn't want to have to live near Albanians. These Serbs sold their house in Kosova to an Albanian for lots of money and they'd buy a much bigger house in Serbia for less money, in a better economically developed and nicer (ethnically pure) area with more land and have plenty of money left over. Then when Milosevic came to power, he claimed that they had been ethnically cleansed from Kosova, what a joke.
Yes many Albanians left Kosova for a better life in Germany and Switzerland but that is because we were treated like third class citizens and we were economically deprived from by Belgrade and had our human right stripped from us. Police would harass us for simple things such as daring to speak Albanian (instead of Serbian) in public. We had Albanian language TV and newspapers taken away from us, we were unable to be educated in Albanian. Then we had our autonomy taken away from us. Secret police would follow us, we were indiscrimatley locked up for reasons unknown to us. Unemployment and poverty became crazy. It was no fun being an Albanian in Kosova, but thankfully things are much better now. But our brothers are settled in Germany and Switzerland now and they understandably don't want to return.
Go ahead Ivica Dačić remove it, but remember that all churches in Kosova will be destroyd if you remove it. It's up to you, you remove it, we take care of the churches.
(Bridge, 21 November 2012 20:33)
You already have "taken care" of our churches and monesterys in Kosovo, there are a lot of videos on youtube showing how you set ancient churches on fire.
It is a memorial for those heroes who gave up their lives fighting against an oppressive regime where Albanians were treated as third class citizens and lacked basic human rights. Mini Sloba and his former Ultra-Nationalist friend want to return these dark times.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if Albanians went down to 0, nationalist Serbian governments are good at ethnic cleansing and making people "disappear".
(Haitian, 21 November 2012 19:33)
Its a memorial plaque celebrating terrorists that are now in prison, murderers and slaughterers. Its funny how the albanians want to celebrate these criminals by putting a memorial plaque on serbian territory, cant you see that its just a pittyful move to provoke the serbs?Albanians living in the Presevo valley are citizens of SERBIA and they should respect the country they live in just like your telling us that serbs living in croatia should respect croatia but when it comes to ur own people thats uncalled for right?And please keep your mouth shut about ethnic cleansing, take a look at the number of serbs living in Kosovo 1940-1990 and compare them to the numbers nowadays and then say something about ethnic cleasing.
What we are now? Well the majority of us are Athiests in reality. We might say we're Sunni Muslim, but we are not religious, we do not worship, we do not live our lives by Islam (we eat pork, we have sex outside of marriage and we drink alcohol) and we do not believe in God/ Allah.
I cannot put an exact figure on how many Christians there are in Kosova, but Catholicsm is on the rise big style whilst Sunni Islam is declining.
And yes we are building Mosques with money from Saudia Arabia and friends because they are trying to stop our form of relaxed Islam which is a threat to the rest of the Muslim world where they are very strict followers of Islam. They're scared of it catching on in their countries and they're trying to blaock it by encouraging stricter Islam in Kosova and Albania where we are very very very relaxed when it comes to religion. We're not die hard fanatical Jihadist Islamists which Milosevic style media/ propaganda would have you believe, we're the exact opposite.
Why did we damage Orthodox Churches? For the same reason Serbs damaged Mosques and Catholic Churches.
@ Haitian...I'm glad that we've finally found a common ground of understanding...now, could you please convince some of your neighbors there that lawlessness is not the way...and that the minorities Christian ,Muslim ,communist etc. Need too find a way to live together in peace. and not tolerate any form of Corruption...I believe, if we consciously work on our own issues then we won't have a reason to fear/hate one another...agreed??? Look @ our children. we need to do this for the next generation...you don't know me but I will share with you ...I teach my children not to mistrust someone based on their ethnicity or religion...I teach them too know who they are and to understand other peoples culture and find common ground...thanks for the acknowledgment Haitian.
(Mr.Buris, 21 November 2012 23:42)
I would tell them, but I simply don't dare. If I were to head north of the Ibar I wouldn't feel safe and I would fear for my life. I think the wild west in the north should decide to either join the rest of Kosova or join with Serbia, instead of being in a limbo in between the two where criminal gangs are thriving and they divert money from both Belgrade and Pristina into their private banks. We don't have a problem with the Serbs south of the Ibar river, we like them just get on with our daily lives peacefully. It is the tax dodgers, criminals, gangs and cop killers in the north which we have problems with. You see ethnicity has nothing to do with it here either.
"I teach my children not to mistrust someone based on their ethnicity or religion......."
I also saw some of your previews comments and the way you climbed in the moral high ground i do not justify. Perhaps i can advise the teacher to head its own teachings once in while and yes learn history a little better while you are at it.
All symbols stem from somewhere and are much less mythical than they appear to be. The same goes for the history many learn to this day (i am to understand from your comment that you do not make an exception to this rule). Your knowledge about the Albanian flag is partially right. But then again you fail to understand the social construction of symbols and project the nowadays understanding in history (social constructivism IR, Social identity theory as well as to read better history books will probably help improve your understanding) while failing to acknowledge that orthodoxy itself is a social construction and is based upon myths as well. Whatever most people believe as rigid today are as relative as they can be and i am not necessarily being philosophical.
While i do see a valuable point in your comment the way it's expressed is hardly appropriate.
One must keep in mind that commentators here are mostly nationalists and narrow minded and do not represent the whole people of the Balkans, not the least because where you are born does not imply a common way of thinking.
You sir are a definition of irony and a dire example i might add. You who sees societies and cultures in this monolithic prism and stereotypical are making the same mistake as the ones you are judging. Instead of seeing yourself in the mirror with the ones you judge, are but holding it to their faces.
If you arrive at the right conclusion that your knowledge about the region is limited as are your understandings of societies as social constructions i do suggest to start with Maria Todorova - Imagining the Balkans.
In any case people here as every where else are hardly unique to their sufferings and conflicts or to their biased understanding of events. You are a living proof.
I do apologize for the harsh way i express myself but the ones who themselves swim in mud and still feel superior leave me a bad taste and force me into not so good manners. While i do not hide the hope that your hasting as mine, perhaps, is just a mistake of the heart and not the mind.
@ Mr.Burs Us Albanians as a people are originally Christian, we were Eastern Christian aka Orthodox historically and many still are. Christian Orthodoxy is in our blood and national identity.
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Mr Haitian, it doesn't matter what you once were but what you are now. As far as many Albanians being Orthodox I say bull. There is a higher percentage of Christian Albanians in Albania itself but that is made up of both Orthodox and Catholic.
How many Christian Albanians in Kosovo? Never mind Orthodox, just Christian will do.
If Orthodox is in your blood then why did your lot burn so many Orthodox Churches?
K-Albanians are now Muslim and they are busy building mosques so don't talk rubbish about Orthodox being in your blood. If Orthodox was in your blood you would be building Orthodox churches in Kosovo and not mosques.
How many Orthodox churches have you guys built in Kosovo?
Mirel from albania - thank you for enlightening us. i really do not know how you and other albanian colleagues can tolerate what is published on a daily basis in this um media outlet. but you and other dissidents (to this site) refuse to give up, and some of us really appreciate that. keep it up! roberto frisco
@ Miral from Albania, history didn't start with skanderberg(sp?) Btw didn't you ever think he knew the meaning about the Symbol and that's why he used it???...meaning of the flag with the Red background and the Double Headed Eagle have a longer history than Skanderberg(sp?) ...and I myself ,who's Mothers family was saved by Albanians in the 1800 when the Turks were Murdering that particular ethnic/religious minority that was not Albanian...maybe ,I'm looking more at a common bond that can bring us together...btw .just do a google search on the History of the Double headed Eagle...I'm too lazy to argue any further...
@ an european citizen....From your Mouth to Gods Ears!!!maybe then we will be able too find a Common Ground and live/ work together in Peace...:P
@ Haitian...I'm glad that we've finally found a common ground of understanding...now, could you please convince some of your neighbors there that lawlessness is not the way...and that the minorities Christian ,Muslim ,communist etc. Need too find a way to live together in peace. and not tolerate any form of Corruption...I believe, if we consciously work on our own issues then we won't have a reason to fear/hate one another...agreed??? Look @ our children. we need to do this for the next generation...you don't know me but I will share with you ...I teach my children not to mistrust someone based on their ethnicity or religion...I teach them too know who they are and to understand other peoples culture and find common ground...thanks for the acknowledgment Haitian.
@ Mr.Burs Us Albanians as a people are originally Christian, we were Eastern Christian aka Orthodox historically and many still are. Christian Orthodoxy is in our blood and national identity. So thank you for wishing us a happy flag day, but my flag is a gold map of Kosovo with six gold stars above it (representing all six peoples of my countty) on a blue back ground which represents peace and Europeanism!
"400,000 children in Serbia living in poverty" 8 comments
"some idiotic news about albo-serb issue" infinit comments
Economic problems do never attract attention because you are used to live poorly , what you always fight for is land , land and land.
This tells pretty much why balkan is the shithole of europe , and why you balkan people no matter what ethnicity , are the most backward people of europe. I wish europe could just cut this piece of europe and sent in somewhere in africa where you with your stupid mentality belong.
But Haitian, and similar minded people, Albanians want to put up a plaque honoring fighters that killed Serbs, on Serbian soil. You don't think that the Serbian rejection of this KLA commemoration is valid? When Pristina allows a plaque honoring Serbs soldiers that died in the 90's civil war in Kosovo, then by all means, have your KLA plaque in Preshevo.
What the hell r u talking about?
Albanian Flag is George Kastrioti's family flag.
Skanderbeg’s helmet is made of white metal, adorned with a strip dressed in gold. On its top lies the head of a horned goat made of bronze, also dressed in gold. The bottom part bears a copper strip adorned with a monogram separated by rosettes * IN * PE * RA * TO * RE * BT *, which means: Jhezus Nazarenus * Principi Emathie * Regi Albaniae * Terrori Osmanorum * Regi Epirotarum * Benedictat Te (Jesus Nazarene Blesses Thee [Skanderbeg], Prince of Mat, King of Albania, Terror of the Ottomans, King of Epirus).
Enlight yourself before you start talking rubbish about Albanians:
A michigan fan are we, if I remember correctly the rebels in the Presevo region were looking to separate the valley from the rest of Serbia. If Serbia attacked them because of their ethnicity why than didn't Serbia attack during the kosovo conflict? The albanians claim that Serbia "ethnically cleansed" albanians from kosovo, why weren't these albanians "ethnically cleansed"? The whole pretext to the NATO war was based on fabrication!
I'm fairly surprised no one has ever pointed out on this forum ...the truth about the flag the. Albanians call their own...its actually a Eastern Roman Orthodox Battle flag...the double headed Eagle symbolizes Imperial .the two heads Means Church and State ...Two minds, same body...the eagle with the yellow background means the state is at peace.the eagle with the red means the state is at war( ways of communication before the internet)...what's obvious too the uneducated observer is that the albanians when the came with the Turks didn't have a flag and when they defeated our ancestors armies...they took it as their symbol...call it what you will...know this every time I see what you call your flag...I remember , its actually an Orthodox symbol... So, Happy Flag day my Albanian neighbors!!!:)
Go ahead Ivica Dačić remove it, but remember that all churches in Kosova will be destroyd if you remove it. It's up to you, you remove it, we take care of the churches.
The plaque in Presevo would be like muslims in the U.S. placing a memorial plaque for the terrorists of 911 and osama bin ladan at ground zero in N.Y.C., the american public and government would immediately bring that down with out question!
(robert1899, 21 November 2012 15:31)
For the sake of an argument, even if UCPMB members were terrorists, that’s a silly comparison and you know it. 9/11 was a foreign attack on US soil, it was an attack on civilians. UCPMB attacked police and military which were run by a Serbian regime of the 90ties and early 2000s. They were and are citizens of Serbia and they were fighting against the regime organized by the Serbian gov’t against their own civilians just because they belong to a different ethnicity.
The plaque is a symbol of Albanian freedoms & human rights! If Serbia didn't exercise the barbaric policy of crushing minority's of their basic freedoms & human rights, and instead practiced a democratic policy of equality for all ethnic groups, then the Albanians of presevo would never have revolted against a democratic Serbia! Now we supposedly have a democratic Serbia, right? Well we will find out! If Serbia practices the policy's of Kosova, then you will see first hand the same results as in Kosova! Touch that plaque Serbia! And see before your very eyes, the Albanian wrath that will descend upon your barbaric mentality! We have the Slavs of Macedonia also threatening our flag day, by debating the raising of our beloved Albanian flag! Go ahead Serbia & Macedonia, touch our symbols of national unity & freedom! And the whole of Serbia & Macedonia will turn red! For to long, we Albanians have put up with your barbaric ways! Never again, will we sit idle & watch you destroy our ancient lands & civilization!
(Rocky, 21 November 2012 17:14)
If my memory serves me correctly, Serbia was in a bloody battle with the KLA. Why in the world would it allow a plaque honoring these separatists, that killed many Serbian people, on its soil? What nation in the world allows plaques to honor its enemies? What am I missing here? As far as I know, Presevo Valley is a part of the Republic of Serbia.
so albanians want trouble and with only 45,000 albanians left in the valley they want to be 0 there ,by putting up terrorist plaques.i think we all can see the problem,albanians!
(tim from canada, 21 November 2012 16:52)
It is a memorial for those heroes who gave up their lives fighting against an oppressive regime where Albanians were treated as third class citizens and lacked basic human rights. Mini Sloba and his former Ultra-Nationalist friend want to return these dark times.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if Albanians went down to 0, nationalist Serbian governments are good at ethnic cleansing and making people "disappear".
Haha! Your comment was hilarious. Oh, no! Please dont send your albanian wrath upon us. We are so so afraid of your military might. He he! What will you send? Your donkey division? This time nobody will fight the war for you. You have to do it yourself and I hope you do. Then we'll get a chance to put you down for good.
Hey Rocky playing the victim will not work forever as it has so far...you said it "we Albanians""our beloved flag" well your beloved Albanian flag looks best in Albania and all those like you who claim freedom and disregard the freedom of others.
Speaking today, Dačić added that he recently told High EU Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton "that the region was going back to the period of the conflicts in the 1990s".
I am glad Serbian voters chose the right government, and Serbia is heading towards ABYSS.
The plaque is a symbol of Albanian freedoms & human rights! If Serbia didn't exercise the barbaric policy of crushing minority's of their basic freedoms & human rights, and instead practiced a democratic policy of equality for all ethnic groups, then the Albanians of presevo would never have revolted against a democratic Serbia! Now we supposedly have a democratic Serbia, right? Well we will find out! If Serbia practices the policy's of Kosova, then you will see first hand the same results as in Kosova! Touch that plaque Serbia! And see before your very eyes, the Albanian wrath that will descend upon your barbaric mentality! We have the Slavs of Macedonia also threatening our flag day, by debating the raising of our beloved Albanian flag! Go ahead Serbia & Macedonia, touch our symbols of national unity & freedom! And the whole of Serbia & Macedonia will turn red! For to long, we Albanians have put up with your barbaric ways! Never again, will we sit idle & watch you destroy our ancient lands & civilization!
So Serbia elects 90s style politicians and then "the region.. [is] going back to the period of the conflicts in the 1990s". I think I can see the problem, Serbia!
(Haitian, 21 November 2012 14:44) so albanians want trouble and with only 45,000 albanians left in the valley they want to be 0 there ,by putting up terrorist plaques.i think we all can see the problem,albanians!
Ian,
The plaque in Presevo would be like muslims in the U.S. placing a memorial plaque for the terrorists of 911 and osama bin ladan at ground zero in N.Y.C., the american public and government would immediately bring that down with out question!
So Serbia elects 90s style politicians and then "the region.. [is] going back to the period of the conflicts in the 1990s". I think I can see the problem, Serbia!
Imagine if Westminister were to remove Republican Murals in Ulster, I'm sure Westminster would come under heavy criticism from the international community; even though these Murals glorify terrorists who killed soldier, police and civilians.
So Serbia elects 90s style politicians and then "the region.. [is] going back to the period of the conflicts in the 1990s". I think I can see the problem, Serbia!
Ian,
The plaque in Presevo would be like muslims in the U.S. placing a memorial plaque for the terrorists of 911 and osama bin ladan at ground zero in N.Y.C., the american public and government would immediately bring that down with out question!
The plaque is a symbol of Albanian freedoms & human rights! If Serbia didn't exercise the barbaric policy of crushing minority's of their basic freedoms & human rights, and instead practiced a democratic policy of equality for all ethnic groups, then the Albanians of presevo would never have revolted against a democratic Serbia! Now we supposedly have a democratic Serbia, right? Well we will find out! If Serbia practices the policy's of Kosova, then you will see first hand the same results as in Kosova! Touch that plaque Serbia! And see before your very eyes, the Albanian wrath that will descend upon your barbaric mentality! We have the Slavs of Macedonia also threatening our flag day, by debating the raising of our beloved Albanian flag! Go ahead Serbia & Macedonia, touch our symbols of national unity & freedom! And the whole of Serbia & Macedonia will turn red! For to long, we Albanians have put up with your barbaric ways! Never again, will we sit idle & watch you destroy our ancient lands & civilization!
Imagine if Westminister were to remove Republican Murals in Ulster, I'm sure Westminster would come under heavy criticism from the international community; even though these Murals glorify terrorists who killed soldier, police and civilians.
If my memory serves me correctly, Serbia was in a bloody battle with the KLA. Why in the world would it allow a plaque honoring these separatists, that killed many Serbian people, on its soil? What nation in the world allows plaques to honor its enemies? What am I missing here? As far as I know, Presevo Valley is a part of the Republic of Serbia.
So Serbia elects 90s style politicians and then "the region.. [is] going back to the period of the conflicts in the 1990s". I think I can see the problem, Serbia!
(Haitian, 21 November 2012 14:44) so albanians want trouble and with only 45,000 albanians left in the valley they want to be 0 there ,by putting up terrorist plaques.i think we all can see the problem,albanians!
Hey Rocky playing the victim will not work forever as it has so far...you said it "we Albanians""our beloved flag" well your beloved Albanian flag looks best in Albania and all those like you who claim freedom and disregard the freedom of others.
Haha! Your comment was hilarious. Oh, no! Please dont send your albanian wrath upon us. We are so so afraid of your military might. He he! What will you send? Your donkey division? This time nobody will fight the war for you. You have to do it yourself and I hope you do. Then we'll get a chance to put you down for good.
The plaque is a symbol of Albanian freedoms & human rights! If Serbia didn't exercise the barbaric policy of crushing minority's of their basic freedoms & human rights, and instead practiced a democratic policy of equality for all ethnic groups, then the Albanians of presevo would never have revolted against a democratic Serbia! Now we supposedly have a democratic Serbia, right? Well we will find out! If Serbia practices the policy's of Kosova, then you will see first hand the same results as in Kosova! Touch that plaque Serbia! And see before your very eyes, the Albanian wrath that will descend upon your barbaric mentality! We have the Slavs of Macedonia also threatening our flag day, by debating the raising of our beloved Albanian flag! Go ahead Serbia & Macedonia, touch our symbols of national unity & freedom! And the whole of Serbia & Macedonia will turn red! For to long, we Albanians have put up with your barbaric ways! Never again, will we sit idle & watch you destroy our ancient lands & civilization!
(Rocky, 21 November 2012 17:14)
so albanians want trouble and with only 45,000 albanians left in the valley they want to be 0 there ,by putting up terrorist plaques.i think we all can see the problem,albanians!
(tim from canada, 21 November 2012 16:52)
It is a memorial for those heroes who gave up their lives fighting against an oppressive regime where Albanians were treated as third class citizens and lacked basic human rights. Mini Sloba and his former Ultra-Nationalist friend want to return these dark times.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if Albanians went down to 0, nationalist Serbian governments are good at ethnic cleansing and making people "disappear".
I'm fairly surprised no one has ever pointed out on this forum ...the truth about the flag the. Albanians call their own...its actually a Eastern Roman Orthodox Battle flag...the double headed Eagle symbolizes Imperial .the two heads Means Church and State ...Two minds, same body...the eagle with the yellow background means the state is at peace.the eagle with the red means the state is at war( ways of communication before the internet)...what's obvious too the uneducated observer is that the albanians when the came with the Turks didn't have a flag and when they defeated our ancestors armies...they took it as their symbol...call it what you will...know this every time I see what you call your flag...I remember , its actually an Orthodox symbol... So, Happy Flag day my Albanian neighbors!!!:)
Speaking today, Dačić added that he recently told High EU Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton "that the region was going back to the period of the conflicts in the 1990s".
I am glad Serbian voters chose the right government, and Serbia is heading towards ABYSS.
The plaque in Presevo would be like muslims in the U.S. placing a memorial plaque for the terrorists of 911 and osama bin ladan at ground zero in N.Y.C., the american public and government would immediately bring that down with out question!
(robert1899, 21 November 2012 15:31)
For the sake of an argument, even if UCPMB members were terrorists, that’s a silly comparison and you know it. 9/11 was a foreign attack on US soil, it was an attack on civilians. UCPMB attacked police and military which were run by a Serbian regime of the 90ties and early 2000s. They were and are citizens of Serbia and they were fighting against the regime organized by the Serbian gov’t against their own civilians just because they belong to a different ethnicity.
A michigan fan are we, if I remember correctly the rebels in the Presevo region were looking to separate the valley from the rest of Serbia. If Serbia attacked them because of their ethnicity why than didn't Serbia attack during the kosovo conflict? The albanians claim that Serbia "ethnically cleansed" albanians from kosovo, why weren't these albanians "ethnically cleansed"? The whole pretext to the NATO war was based on fabrication!
But Haitian, and similar minded people, Albanians want to put up a plaque honoring fighters that killed Serbs, on Serbian soil. You don't think that the Serbian rejection of this KLA commemoration is valid? When Pristina allows a plaque honoring Serbs soldiers that died in the 90's civil war in Kosovo, then by all means, have your KLA plaque in Preshevo.
What the hell r u talking about?
Albanian Flag is George Kastrioti's family flag.
Skanderbeg’s helmet is made of white metal, adorned with a strip dressed in gold. On its top lies the head of a horned goat made of bronze, also dressed in gold. The bottom part bears a copper strip adorned with a monogram separated by rosettes * IN * PE * RA * TO * RE * BT *, which means: Jhezus Nazarenus * Principi Emathie * Regi Albaniae * Terrori Osmanorum * Regi Epirotarum * Benedictat Te (Jesus Nazarene Blesses Thee [Skanderbeg], Prince of Mat, King of Albania, Terror of the Ottomans, King of Epirus).
Enlight yourself before you start talking rubbish about Albanians:
Go ahead Ivica Dačić remove it, but remember that all churches in Kosova will be destroyd if you remove it. It's up to you, you remove it, we take care of the churches.
@ Mr.Burs Us Albanians as a people are originally Christian, we were Eastern Christian aka Orthodox historically and many still are. Christian Orthodoxy is in our blood and national identity. So thank you for wishing us a happy flag day, but my flag is a gold map of Kosovo with six gold stars above it (representing all six peoples of my countty) on a blue back ground which represents peace and Europeanism!
@ Mr.Burs Us Albanians as a people are originally Christian, we were Eastern Christian aka Orthodox historically and many still are. Christian Orthodoxy is in our blood and national identity.
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Mr Haitian, it doesn't matter what you once were but what you are now. As far as many Albanians being Orthodox I say bull. There is a higher percentage of Christian Albanians in Albania itself but that is made up of both Orthodox and Catholic.
How many Christian Albanians in Kosovo? Never mind Orthodox, just Christian will do.
If Orthodox is in your blood then why did your lot burn so many Orthodox Churches?
K-Albanians are now Muslim and they are busy building mosques so don't talk rubbish about Orthodox being in your blood. If Orthodox was in your blood you would be building Orthodox churches in Kosovo and not mosques.
How many Orthodox churches have you guys built in Kosovo?
"400,000 children in Serbia living in poverty" 8 comments
"some idiotic news about albo-serb issue" infinit comments
Economic problems do never attract attention because you are used to live poorly , what you always fight for is land , land and land.
This tells pretty much why balkan is the shithole of europe , and why you balkan people no matter what ethnicity , are the most backward people of europe. I wish europe could just cut this piece of europe and sent in somewhere in africa where you with your stupid mentality belong.
It is a memorial for those heroes who gave up their lives fighting against an oppressive regime where Albanians were treated as third class citizens and lacked basic human rights. Mini Sloba and his former Ultra-Nationalist friend want to return these dark times.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if Albanians went down to 0, nationalist Serbian governments are good at ethnic cleansing and making people "disappear".
(Haitian, 21 November 2012 19:33)
Its a memorial plaque celebrating terrorists that are now in prison, murderers and slaughterers. Its funny how the albanians want to celebrate these criminals by putting a memorial plaque on serbian territory, cant you see that its just a pittyful move to provoke the serbs?Albanians living in the Presevo valley are citizens of SERBIA and they should respect the country they live in just like your telling us that serbs living in croatia should respect croatia but when it comes to ur own people thats uncalled for right?And please keep your mouth shut about ethnic cleansing, take a look at the number of serbs living in Kosovo 1940-1990 and compare them to the numbers nowadays and then say something about ethnic cleasing.
Haitian show me proof and videos of serbs ruining muslim mosques and churches in Kosovo just like you put serb monesterys and churches on fire which you can see urself on youtube. SHOW ME YOUR EVIDENCE!And you can tell americans or other people that dont know what kind of islam you practice that you are "relaxed"when it comes to religion. If you are so "relaxed"how come you have al qaida organized training camps for future jihadists in Kosovo?You train their terrorists and then you send them to Iraq and Afganistan and thats a proven fact!
Go ahead Ivica Dačić remove it, but remember that all churches in Kosova will be destroyd if you remove it. It's up to you, you remove it, we take care of the churches.
(Bridge, 21 November 2012 20:33)
You already have "taken care" of our churches and monesterys in Kosovo, there are a lot of videos on youtube showing how you set ancient churches on fire.
What we are now? Well the majority of us are Athiests in reality. We might say we're Sunni Muslim, but we are not religious, we do not worship, we do not live our lives by Islam (we eat pork, we have sex outside of marriage and we drink alcohol) and we do not believe in God/ Allah.
I cannot put an exact figure on how many Christians there are in Kosova, but Catholicsm is on the rise big style whilst Sunni Islam is declining.
And yes we are building Mosques with money from Saudia Arabia and friends because they are trying to stop our form of relaxed Islam which is a threat to the rest of the Muslim world where they are very strict followers of Islam. They're scared of it catching on in their countries and they're trying to blaock it by encouraging stricter Islam in Kosova and Albania where we are very very very relaxed when it comes to religion. We're not die hard fanatical Jihadist Islamists which Milosevic style media/ propaganda would have you believe, we're the exact opposite.
Why did we damage Orthodox Churches? For the same reason Serbs damaged Mosques and Catholic Churches.
A bit like the Serbs originally from Kosova which Milosevic and co used to claim were ethnically cleansed. Throughout the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s many Serbs left Kosova for Serbia just because they didn't want to have to live near Albanians. These Serbs sold their house in Kosova to an Albanian for lots of money and they'd buy a much bigger house in Serbia for less money, in a better economically developed and nicer (ethnically pure) area with more land and have plenty of money left over. Then when Milosevic came to power, he claimed that they had been ethnically cleansed from Kosova, what a joke.
Yes many Albanians left Kosova for a better life in Germany and Switzerland but that is because we were treated like third class citizens and we were economically deprived from by Belgrade and had our human right stripped from us. Police would harass us for simple things such as daring to speak Albanian (instead of Serbian) in public. We had Albanian language TV and newspapers taken away from us, we were unable to be educated in Albanian. Then we had our autonomy taken away from us. Secret police would follow us, we were indiscrimatley locked up for reasons unknown to us. Unemployment and poverty became crazy. It was no fun being an Albanian in Kosova, but thankfully things are much better now. But our brothers are settled in Germany and Switzerland now and they understandably don't want to return.
@ Haitian...I'm glad that we've finally found a common ground of understanding...now, could you please convince some of your neighbors there that lawlessness is not the way...and that the minorities Christian ,Muslim ,communist etc. Need too find a way to live together in peace. and not tolerate any form of Corruption...I believe, if we consciously work on our own issues then we won't have a reason to fear/hate one another...agreed??? Look @ our children. we need to do this for the next generation...you don't know me but I will share with you ...I teach my children not to mistrust someone based on their ethnicity or religion...I teach them too know who they are and to understand other peoples culture and find common ground...thanks for the acknowledgment Haitian.
(Mr.Buris, 21 November 2012 23:42)
I would tell them, but I simply don't dare. If I were to head north of the Ibar I wouldn't feel safe and I would fear for my life. I think the wild west in the north should decide to either join the rest of Kosova or join with Serbia, instead of being in a limbo in between the two where criminal gangs are thriving and they divert money from both Belgrade and Pristina into their private banks. We don't have a problem with the Serbs south of the Ibar river, we like them just get on with our daily lives peacefully. It is the tax dodgers, criminals, gangs and cop killers in the north which we have problems with. You see ethnicity has nothing to do with it here either.
@ Miral from Albania, history didn't start with skanderberg(sp?) Btw didn't you ever think he knew the meaning about the Symbol and that's why he used it???...meaning of the flag with the Red background and the Double Headed Eagle have a longer history than Skanderberg(sp?) ...and I myself ,who's Mothers family was saved by Albanians in the 1800 when the Turks were Murdering that particular ethnic/religious minority that was not Albanian...maybe ,I'm looking more at a common bond that can bring us together...btw .just do a google search on the History of the Double headed Eagle...I'm too lazy to argue any further...
@ an european citizen....From your Mouth to Gods Ears!!!maybe then we will be able too find a Common Ground and live/ work together in Peace...:P
Mirel from albania - thank you for enlightening us. i really do not know how you and other albanian colleagues can tolerate what is published on a daily basis in this um media outlet. but you and other dissidents (to this site) refuse to give up, and some of us really appreciate that. keep it up! roberto frisco
@ Haitian...I'm glad that we've finally found a common ground of understanding...now, could you please convince some of your neighbors there that lawlessness is not the way...and that the minorities Christian ,Muslim ,communist etc. Need too find a way to live together in peace. and not tolerate any form of Corruption...I believe, if we consciously work on our own issues then we won't have a reason to fear/hate one another...agreed??? Look @ our children. we need to do this for the next generation...you don't know me but I will share with you ...I teach my children not to mistrust someone based on their ethnicity or religion...I teach them too know who they are and to understand other peoples culture and find common ground...thanks for the acknowledgment Haitian.
While i do see a valuable point in your comment the way it's expressed is hardly appropriate.
One must keep in mind that commentators here are mostly nationalists and narrow minded and do not represent the whole people of the Balkans, not the least because where you are born does not imply a common way of thinking.
You sir are a definition of irony and a dire example i might add. You who sees societies and cultures in this monolithic prism and stereotypical are making the same mistake as the ones you are judging. Instead of seeing yourself in the mirror with the ones you judge, are but holding it to their faces.
If you arrive at the right conclusion that your knowledge about the region is limited as are your understandings of societies as social constructions i do suggest to start with Maria Todorova - Imagining the Balkans.
In any case people here as every where else are hardly unique to their sufferings and conflicts or to their biased understanding of events. You are a living proof.
I do apologize for the harsh way i express myself but the ones who themselves swim in mud and still feel superior leave me a bad taste and force me into not so good manners. While i do not hide the hope that your hasting as mine, perhaps, is just a mistake of the heart and not the mind.
"I teach my children not to mistrust someone based on their ethnicity or religion......."
I also saw some of your previews comments and the way you climbed in the moral high ground i do not justify. Perhaps i can advise the teacher to head its own teachings once in while and yes learn history a little better while you are at it.
All symbols stem from somewhere and are much less mythical than they appear to be. The same goes for the history many learn to this day (i am to understand from your comment that you do not make an exception to this rule). Your knowledge about the Albanian flag is partially right. But then again you fail to understand the social construction of symbols and project the nowadays understanding in history (social constructivism IR, Social identity theory as well as to read better history books will probably help improve your understanding) while failing to acknowledge that orthodoxy itself is a social construction and is based upon myths as well. Whatever most people believe as rigid today are as relative as they can be and i am not necessarily being philosophical.
The plaque is a symbol of Albanian freedoms & human rights! If Serbia didn't exercise the barbaric policy of crushing minority's of their basic freedoms & human rights, and instead practiced a democratic policy of equality for all ethnic groups, then the Albanians of presevo would never have revolted against a democratic Serbia! Now we supposedly have a democratic Serbia, right? Well we will find out! If Serbia practices the policy's of Kosova, then you will see first hand the same results as in Kosova! Touch that plaque Serbia! And see before your very eyes, the Albanian wrath that will descend upon your barbaric mentality! We have the Slavs of Macedonia also threatening our flag day, by debating the raising of our beloved Albanian flag! Go ahead Serbia & Macedonia, touch our symbols of national unity & freedom! And the whole of Serbia & Macedonia will turn red! For to long, we Albanians have put up with your barbaric ways! Never again, will we sit idle & watch you destroy our ancient lands & civilization!
Ian,
The plaque in Presevo would be like muslims in the U.S. placing a memorial plaque for the terrorists of 911 and osama bin ladan at ground zero in N.Y.C., the american public and government would immediately bring that down with out question!
So Serbia elects 90s style politicians and then "the region.. [is] going back to the period of the conflicts in the 1990s". I think I can see the problem, Serbia!
Go ahead Ivica Dačić remove it, but remember that all churches in Kosova will be destroyd if you remove it. It's up to you, you remove it, we take care of the churches.
So Serbia elects 90s style politicians and then "the region.. [is] going back to the period of the conflicts in the 1990s". I think I can see the problem, Serbia!
(Haitian, 21 November 2012 14:44) so albanians want trouble and with only 45,000 albanians left in the valley they want to be 0 there ,by putting up terrorist plaques.i think we all can see the problem,albanians!
Imagine if Westminister were to remove Republican Murals in Ulster, I'm sure Westminster would come under heavy criticism from the international community; even though these Murals glorify terrorists who killed soldier, police and civilians.
Speaking today, Dačić added that he recently told High EU Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton "that the region was going back to the period of the conflicts in the 1990s".
I am glad Serbian voters chose the right government, and Serbia is heading towards ABYSS.
so albanians want trouble and with only 45,000 albanians left in the valley they want to be 0 there ,by putting up terrorist plaques.i think we all can see the problem,albanians!
(tim from canada, 21 November 2012 16:52)
It is a memorial for those heroes who gave up their lives fighting against an oppressive regime where Albanians were treated as third class citizens and lacked basic human rights. Mini Sloba and his former Ultra-Nationalist friend want to return these dark times.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if Albanians went down to 0, nationalist Serbian governments are good at ethnic cleansing and making people "disappear".
If my memory serves me correctly, Serbia was in a bloody battle with the KLA. Why in the world would it allow a plaque honoring these separatists, that killed many Serbian people, on its soil? What nation in the world allows plaques to honor its enemies? What am I missing here? As far as I know, Presevo Valley is a part of the Republic of Serbia.
I'm fairly surprised no one has ever pointed out on this forum ...the truth about the flag the. Albanians call their own...its actually a Eastern Roman Orthodox Battle flag...the double headed Eagle symbolizes Imperial .the two heads Means Church and State ...Two minds, same body...the eagle with the yellow background means the state is at peace.the eagle with the red means the state is at war( ways of communication before the internet)...what's obvious too the uneducated observer is that the albanians when the came with the Turks didn't have a flag and when they defeated our ancestors armies...they took it as their symbol...call it what you will...know this every time I see what you call your flag...I remember , its actually an Orthodox symbol... So, Happy Flag day my Albanian neighbors!!!:)
The plaque is a symbol of Albanian freedoms & human rights! If Serbia didn't exercise the barbaric policy of crushing minority's of their basic freedoms & human rights, and instead practiced a democratic policy of equality for all ethnic groups, then the Albanians of presevo would never have revolted against a democratic Serbia! Now we supposedly have a democratic Serbia, right? Well we will find out! If Serbia practices the policy's of Kosova, then you will see first hand the same results as in Kosova! Touch that plaque Serbia! And see before your very eyes, the Albanian wrath that will descend upon your barbaric mentality! We have the Slavs of Macedonia also threatening our flag day, by debating the raising of our beloved Albanian flag! Go ahead Serbia & Macedonia, touch our symbols of national unity & freedom! And the whole of Serbia & Macedonia will turn red! For to long, we Albanians have put up with your barbaric ways! Never again, will we sit idle & watch you destroy our ancient lands & civilization!
(Rocky, 21 November 2012 17:14)
Hey Rocky playing the victim will not work forever as it has so far...you said it "we Albanians""our beloved flag" well your beloved Albanian flag looks best in Albania and all those like you who claim freedom and disregard the freedom of others.
The plaque in Presevo would be like muslims in the U.S. placing a memorial plaque for the terrorists of 911 and osama bin ladan at ground zero in N.Y.C., the american public and government would immediately bring that down with out question!
(robert1899, 21 November 2012 15:31)
For the sake of an argument, even if UCPMB members were terrorists, that’s a silly comparison and you know it. 9/11 was a foreign attack on US soil, it was an attack on civilians. UCPMB attacked police and military which were run by a Serbian regime of the 90ties and early 2000s. They were and are citizens of Serbia and they were fighting against the regime organized by the Serbian gov’t against their own civilians just because they belong to a different ethnicity.
@ Mr.Burs Us Albanians as a people are originally Christian, we were Eastern Christian aka Orthodox historically and many still are. Christian Orthodoxy is in our blood and national identity. So thank you for wishing us a happy flag day, but my flag is a gold map of Kosovo with six gold stars above it (representing all six peoples of my countty) on a blue back ground which represents peace and Europeanism!
"400,000 children in Serbia living in poverty" 8 comments
"some idiotic news about albo-serb issue" infinit comments
Economic problems do never attract attention because you are used to live poorly , what you always fight for is land , land and land.
This tells pretty much why balkan is the shithole of europe , and why you balkan people no matter what ethnicity , are the most backward people of europe. I wish europe could just cut this piece of europe and sent in somewhere in africa where you with your stupid mentality belong.
Haha! Your comment was hilarious. Oh, no! Please dont send your albanian wrath upon us. We are so so afraid of your military might. He he! What will you send? Your donkey division? This time nobody will fight the war for you. You have to do it yourself and I hope you do. Then we'll get a chance to put you down for good.
What the hell r u talking about?
Albanian Flag is George Kastrioti's family flag.
Skanderbeg’s helmet is made of white metal, adorned with a strip dressed in gold. On its top lies the head of a horned goat made of bronze, also dressed in gold. The bottom part bears a copper strip adorned with a monogram separated by rosettes * IN * PE * RA * TO * RE * BT *, which means: Jhezus Nazarenus * Principi Emathie * Regi Albaniae * Terrori Osmanorum * Regi Epirotarum * Benedictat Te (Jesus Nazarene Blesses Thee [Skanderbeg], Prince of Mat, King of Albania, Terror of the Ottomans, King of Epirus).
Enlight yourself before you start talking rubbish about Albanians:
A michigan fan are we, if I remember correctly the rebels in the Presevo region were looking to separate the valley from the rest of Serbia. If Serbia attacked them because of their ethnicity why than didn't Serbia attack during the kosovo conflict? The albanians claim that Serbia "ethnically cleansed" albanians from kosovo, why weren't these albanians "ethnically cleansed"? The whole pretext to the NATO war was based on fabrication!
@ Mr.Burs Us Albanians as a people are originally Christian, we were Eastern Christian aka Orthodox historically and many still are. Christian Orthodoxy is in our blood and national identity.
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Mr Haitian, it doesn't matter what you once were but what you are now. As far as many Albanians being Orthodox I say bull. There is a higher percentage of Christian Albanians in Albania itself but that is made up of both Orthodox and Catholic.
How many Christian Albanians in Kosovo? Never mind Orthodox, just Christian will do.
If Orthodox is in your blood then why did your lot burn so many Orthodox Churches?
K-Albanians are now Muslim and they are busy building mosques so don't talk rubbish about Orthodox being in your blood. If Orthodox was in your blood you would be building Orthodox churches in Kosovo and not mosques.
How many Orthodox churches have you guys built in Kosovo?
But Haitian, and similar minded people, Albanians want to put up a plaque honoring fighters that killed Serbs, on Serbian soil. You don't think that the Serbian rejection of this KLA commemoration is valid? When Pristina allows a plaque honoring Serbs soldiers that died in the 90's civil war in Kosovo, then by all means, have your KLA plaque in Preshevo.
Go ahead Ivica Dačić remove it, but remember that all churches in Kosova will be destroyd if you remove it. It's up to you, you remove it, we take care of the churches.
(Bridge, 21 November 2012 20:33)
You already have "taken care" of our churches and monesterys in Kosovo, there are a lot of videos on youtube showing how you set ancient churches on fire.
Haitian show me proof and videos of serbs ruining muslim mosques and churches in Kosovo just like you put serb monesterys and churches on fire which you can see urself on youtube. SHOW ME YOUR EVIDENCE!And you can tell americans or other people that dont know what kind of islam you practice that you are "relaxed"when it comes to religion. If you are so "relaxed"how come you have al qaida organized training camps for future jihadists in Kosovo?You train their terrorists and then you send them to Iraq and Afganistan and thats a proven fact!
Mirel from albania - thank you for enlightening us. i really do not know how you and other albanian colleagues can tolerate what is published on a daily basis in this um media outlet. but you and other dissidents (to this site) refuse to give up, and some of us really appreciate that. keep it up! roberto frisco
It is a memorial for those heroes who gave up their lives fighting against an oppressive regime where Albanians were treated as third class citizens and lacked basic human rights. Mini Sloba and his former Ultra-Nationalist friend want to return these dark times.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if Albanians went down to 0, nationalist Serbian governments are good at ethnic cleansing and making people "disappear".
(Haitian, 21 November 2012 19:33)
Its a memorial plaque celebrating terrorists that are now in prison, murderers and slaughterers. Its funny how the albanians want to celebrate these criminals by putting a memorial plaque on serbian territory, cant you see that its just a pittyful move to provoke the serbs?Albanians living in the Presevo valley are citizens of SERBIA and they should respect the country they live in just like your telling us that serbs living in croatia should respect croatia but when it comes to ur own people thats uncalled for right?And please keep your mouth shut about ethnic cleansing, take a look at the number of serbs living in Kosovo 1940-1990 and compare them to the numbers nowadays and then say something about ethnic cleasing.
@ Haitian...I'm glad that we've finally found a common ground of understanding...now, could you please convince some of your neighbors there that lawlessness is not the way...and that the minorities Christian ,Muslim ,communist etc. Need too find a way to live together in peace. and not tolerate any form of Corruption...I believe, if we consciously work on our own issues then we won't have a reason to fear/hate one another...agreed??? Look @ our children. we need to do this for the next generation...you don't know me but I will share with you ...I teach my children not to mistrust someone based on their ethnicity or religion...I teach them too know who they are and to understand other peoples culture and find common ground...thanks for the acknowledgment Haitian.
(Mr.Buris, 21 November 2012 23:42)
I would tell them, but I simply don't dare. If I were to head north of the Ibar I wouldn't feel safe and I would fear for my life. I think the wild west in the north should decide to either join the rest of Kosova or join with Serbia, instead of being in a limbo in between the two where criminal gangs are thriving and they divert money from both Belgrade and Pristina into their private banks. We don't have a problem with the Serbs south of the Ibar river, we like them just get on with our daily lives peacefully. It is the tax dodgers, criminals, gangs and cop killers in the north which we have problems with. You see ethnicity has nothing to do with it here either.
A bit like the Serbs originally from Kosova which Milosevic and co used to claim were ethnically cleansed. Throughout the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s many Serbs left Kosova for Serbia just because they didn't want to have to live near Albanians. These Serbs sold their house in Kosova to an Albanian for lots of money and they'd buy a much bigger house in Serbia for less money, in a better economically developed and nicer (ethnically pure) area with more land and have plenty of money left over. Then when Milosevic came to power, he claimed that they had been ethnically cleansed from Kosova, what a joke.
Yes many Albanians left Kosova for a better life in Germany and Switzerland but that is because we were treated like third class citizens and we were economically deprived from by Belgrade and had our human right stripped from us. Police would harass us for simple things such as daring to speak Albanian (instead of Serbian) in public. We had Albanian language TV and newspapers taken away from us, we were unable to be educated in Albanian. Then we had our autonomy taken away from us. Secret police would follow us, we were indiscrimatley locked up for reasons unknown to us. Unemployment and poverty became crazy. It was no fun being an Albanian in Kosova, but thankfully things are much better now. But our brothers are settled in Germany and Switzerland now and they understandably don't want to return.
What we are now? Well the majority of us are Athiests in reality. We might say we're Sunni Muslim, but we are not religious, we do not worship, we do not live our lives by Islam (we eat pork, we have sex outside of marriage and we drink alcohol) and we do not believe in God/ Allah.
I cannot put an exact figure on how many Christians there are in Kosova, but Catholicsm is on the rise big style whilst Sunni Islam is declining.
And yes we are building Mosques with money from Saudia Arabia and friends because they are trying to stop our form of relaxed Islam which is a threat to the rest of the Muslim world where they are very strict followers of Islam. They're scared of it catching on in their countries and they're trying to blaock it by encouraging stricter Islam in Kosova and Albania where we are very very very relaxed when it comes to religion. We're not die hard fanatical Jihadist Islamists which Milosevic style media/ propaganda would have you believe, we're the exact opposite.
Why did we damage Orthodox Churches? For the same reason Serbs damaged Mosques and Catholic Churches.
"I teach my children not to mistrust someone based on their ethnicity or religion......."
I also saw some of your previews comments and the way you climbed in the moral high ground i do not justify. Perhaps i can advise the teacher to head its own teachings once in while and yes learn history a little better while you are at it.
All symbols stem from somewhere and are much less mythical than they appear to be. The same goes for the history many learn to this day (i am to understand from your comment that you do not make an exception to this rule). Your knowledge about the Albanian flag is partially right. But then again you fail to understand the social construction of symbols and project the nowadays understanding in history (social constructivism IR, Social identity theory as well as to read better history books will probably help improve your understanding) while failing to acknowledge that orthodoxy itself is a social construction and is based upon myths as well. Whatever most people believe as rigid today are as relative as they can be and i am not necessarily being philosophical.
@ Haitian...I'm glad that we've finally found a common ground of understanding...now, could you please convince some of your neighbors there that lawlessness is not the way...and that the minorities Christian ,Muslim ,communist etc. Need too find a way to live together in peace. and not tolerate any form of Corruption...I believe, if we consciously work on our own issues then we won't have a reason to fear/hate one another...agreed??? Look @ our children. we need to do this for the next generation...you don't know me but I will share with you ...I teach my children not to mistrust someone based on their ethnicity or religion...I teach them too know who they are and to understand other peoples culture and find common ground...thanks for the acknowledgment Haitian.
@ Miral from Albania, history didn't start with skanderberg(sp?) Btw didn't you ever think he knew the meaning about the Symbol and that's why he used it???...meaning of the flag with the Red background and the Double Headed Eagle have a longer history than Skanderberg(sp?) ...and I myself ,who's Mothers family was saved by Albanians in the 1800 when the Turks were Murdering that particular ethnic/religious minority that was not Albanian...maybe ,I'm looking more at a common bond that can bring us together...btw .just do a google search on the History of the Double headed Eagle...I'm too lazy to argue any further...
@ an european citizen....From your Mouth to Gods Ears!!!maybe then we will be able too find a Common Ground and live/ work together in Peace...:P
While i do see a valuable point in your comment the way it's expressed is hardly appropriate.
One must keep in mind that commentators here are mostly nationalists and narrow minded and do not represent the whole people of the Balkans, not the least because where you are born does not imply a common way of thinking.
You sir are a definition of irony and a dire example i might add. You who sees societies and cultures in this monolithic prism and stereotypical are making the same mistake as the ones you are judging. Instead of seeing yourself in the mirror with the ones you judge, are but holding it to their faces.
If you arrive at the right conclusion that your knowledge about the region is limited as are your understandings of societies as social constructions i do suggest to start with Maria Todorova - Imagining the Balkans.
In any case people here as every where else are hardly unique to their sufferings and conflicts or to their biased understanding of events. You are a living proof.
I do apologize for the harsh way i express myself but the ones who themselves swim in mud and still feel superior leave me a bad taste and force me into not so good manners. While i do not hide the hope that your hasting as mine, perhaps, is just a mistake of the heart and not the mind.
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