No EU without Kosovo recognition, EP rapporteur claims

Around 30% of people in Serbia would suport Kosovo independence and EU. The funny thing is that with Kosovo as part of Serbia and albanian vote, it would be over 50 % people suporting Kosovo independence.

"No EU without Kosovo recognition, EP rapporteur claims"

Funny thing is that the title can go both ways: No EU for Serbia unless it recognizes Kosovo, or no EU for Kosovo unless it is recognized by Serbia. Since Serbs neither want to join the EU nor let go of Kosovo, I'd say the burden of responsibility to get out of this little diplomatic hoohah rests more with the Kosovo Albanians who want both. If we're threatened with denial of something we don't want because of something we won't do, Lunatic and others are going to have to do more than issue empty ultimatums :)

Why is this lady so convinced that Belgrade will not, in her words, 'play with its European perspective'? I have every confidence that this is exactly what they will do although I would phrase it differently. The Serbian majority still wants Kosovo to be prioritised over EU membership and whatever one might think of this in the ivory towers of Brussels that is what democracy is about. Where do they get these people from? My taxes are helping pay her salary and yet she lives in cuckoo land.

If Kosovo does not eneter UN then serbia will not enter EU...seems fair! There are 22 soon to be 24 EU

Say it loud and clear - NO eu without recognizing independent Kosova!

I think is fair to put he question up for a nation wide referendum. Let the Serb people decide which one they want.
Promising them both, EU and Kosova, it's not only unfair but also insulting to people intelligence. This way no government can bear the responsibility of signing off something against people's wish.

She expressed belief that Serbia would demand a wide autonomy and maybe a special status for northern Kosovo in the talks with Priština.

She also expressed that she needs attention and hugs.

For the first time the truth has been published. Amen to the the truth. Every single word she said is made public. Why can't we have the same every day???

NOBODY in SERBIA will ask the SERBS. It seems that the Dacic-clan has given the approval to all demands. Nikolic made it clear in Athens, Serbia will fullfil the EU-conditions. Either you recognize a country or not ("a little bit pregnant"), a "normalization" means the realtions should be normal, and the relations are starting with the mutual recognition. Also without expressing it: if you accept the border, the sovereignty with police etc, it is a recognition BY FACTS, BY ACTING. More is not expected from Serbia. Serbia will be a failed state and the EU-members "are hungry" to have Serbia friend and partner within the EU. Nobody will believe this. Regarding the "historic talks" in Brussels you will find in leading European newspapers nothing or short articles which are only publishing the Albanian position. Serbia alone at home.

Serbia MUST shelve its EU ambition. Reclaiming Kosovo in full MUST be the Govt's objective. All other expressed views must be dismissed.

@Nikola

where on earth are you getting your numbers seriously?? the way you are thinking its like albanians are the majority in serbia which is not the case ... its a known fact that the citizens of serbia would choose kosovo over the eu if asked in a referendum, which it will be soon enough .. no serb politician will make a deal or recognize kosovo for two reasons, one they cant because it violates the country's constitution and they would be impeached and disgraced, the second reason falls in line with the first one and that is the politician's career would be over ... there is no need to join the eu cuz it has not provided any benefits for any of the balkan countires, bulgaria, romania and greece are all worse off now compared to before they joined the eu .. the eu is sooner or later going to collapse asnyway so there is no need to join it when we have allies in the emerging economic powers (brazil, south africa, china, india, russia) and the new military and political powers (russia and china) ... face it the time of the west is over and a new era is emerging ... this kosovo problem may come down to another war which i would hate but if it does so be it, all we would need our allies to do is to keep the west out of the war and serbia would have reclaimed ALL of kosovo, cuz lets be honest the albanians are no match for the serbs in a military fight as you saw in 1999 when serbs were beating the hell out of the albanians

Good. Who wants to join the EU anyway? To basically lose our sovereignty, for what? Now the EEA is a different matter. They are not mutually exclusive.

I'm really surprised at the Albanian commentators here..
As if the Serbian people need dictation from a bureaucrat in an organization that is pretty well defunct..
The Albanian commentators jump with joy, like some sibling that's adult candy and supervision...

Good luck with that.

The EU will not have another Cyprus?!?! Cyprus was invaded and colonized and partitioned...the Communist PIGS of Tito gave the Albanians land too not only weaken the Serbian Majority in Yugo and to create a 5th Column in Albania...the EU advisers need too Get their heads out of their Buts...and find a solution beneficial too both parties...unfortunately ,if they don't its obvious our issues with(Blond European) radical islam/human trafficking/drug trafficking/organ trafficking/ will spin out of control...Both sides Christian and Muslim need too find a common ground and live together in Peace and security... How Many More Christians are Going too be Murder in the name of Deomoncracy?!?

this is great news because the EU is falling anyway lol so kosovo is still serbia and serbia joins the new superpower group called brics
BRAZIL
RUSSIA
INDIA
CHINA
SOUTH AFRICA.

this is great news because the EU is falling anyway lol so kosovo is still serbia and serbia joins the new superpower group called brics
BRAZIL
RUSSIA
INDIA
CHINA
SOUTH AFRICA.
(EU is a joke, 10 November 2012 19:13)

Interesting... I did not know that Serbia aspires to reduce its GDP/capita by 3+ times to become like, say, India, a superpower indeed... But, hey, every country has its own way to define progress, and Serbia is known for weird ways :)

Well, even EU countries like Spain and Romania do not recognize the illegal Kosovo independence. So why should Serbia? What will the EU do on these (Spain, Romania, ....)?

And you think Georgia (if it ever becomes EU member) will recognize Kosovo?

Albanian hopes of a recongized Kosovo depends on if Serbia joins the EU or not. Even if what this clown says is true, its also true that a majority of Serbs don't want to join the EU if it means recognizing Kosovo. So, we are back at square one.

“Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić has said that Serbia will fulfill all EU conditions but that it would never recognize Kosovo’s independence”.
Nikolic is saying to the EU you can stick your membership we are not joining.
This poor Ulrike Lunacek has got the task of placating the Albanians because there is now a real fear of an EU sellout – I can see why the EU is cashless and the US, well Obama did used the term fiscal cliff and he wasn’t referring to getting an agreement from the Republicans – just keep your eyes open as the US takes chainsaws to its defense budget. It’s going to be a blood bath and its has to be like this for many decades to come and that’s just to stay afloat not as a superpower.

@Brady

no actually the serbs goal was never to cleanse kosovo of the albanian population but rather it was to eliminate the terrorist and criminal group known as the kla, and the west had already known about this and knew that the kla was a terrorist group ... the only reason the west cooperated with the kla is becasue its leaders were criminals that were easy to manipulate and control, unlike the serbs who were hard pressed .... the trouble in kosovo started when you Albanians started beating, rioting and committing violence against serbs, romas, jews, and the police which basically left the government with no choice but to intervene and send the military down there ... if the serb government wanted to cleanse kosovo of albanians then it could have done that pretty easily, instead what happened was that the army was centered on attacking and killing the kla and its leaders ... the albanians and other ethnic groups didnt start even moving out of kosovo until the nato bombings started, so guess what nato was the prime reason for the ethnic cleansing, not the serbs cuz the serbs were also displaced

Aleks

you mean beating the hell out of innocent children!

I don't think EU means anything to anybody anymore

This is called pure bribery.A game polititiens play with Serbia.
The EU won the war from the air, but on the ground they lost.
Now they live in agony because a small country like serbia does not listen to some big EU states.
What is needed is an honest deal. Until now it looks like pure robbery.

@icj, who believes himself to be an expert of UNSCR 1244...:

boy, I know it´s your only fun to write in this way...but, don´t you see that you´re degrading yourself with comments like yours?

I mean... the BRICS-countries are a league of their own, Serbia will not join them, not as a country with only 10 million people... but the BRICS-countries will support Serbia for their very own reasons, and it certainly is not only Russia... but if you want, you can go on believing and even writing that. it is amusing me ( and others I guess ) anyway.

as a side note: have you ever thought about it that you Albanians will not come even close to Serbia when you write such a nonsense?

you´re lacking almost all important factors in regard to that. what you can offer is cheap labour, but without learning serbian or at least propper english... you won´t get very far, my dear k-albanian friend.

if you do not even speak serbian, you´ll be needless. remember, europe has enough unemployed who are sufficiently educated, ...so what the hell will you do then, without the needed standards in language and general education?

...and YOU dream about having "friends"... =)

Serbia doesn't need the EU, it needs free trade agreements with other countries.

I personally do not have any problem with the above. Tell me how the above will help Serbia in its claim to "territorial integrity and sovereignty" over Kosovo? Please BE REAL not what you wish for once.
(EA, 11 November 2012 18:51)
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As long as Serbia doesn't recognise "Kosova" then neither will the five EU members who have not and 'Kosova" is never going to join EU too.
As long as Serbia doesn't recognise "Kosova" then neither will Russia and China who are prepared to veto any UN membership.
So you see, "Kosova" is not going anywhere without Serbia.

Is this clear and precise enough for you?

(EU is a joke, 10 November 2012 19:13)
Since you like jokes let me give you 2 more.
1. BRICS is the title of an association of leading emerging economies, and you think that Serbia is any where close to fitting that description.
2. That you think that there is any interest in the Brics countries asking a charity like Serbia joining their group.

(The Count of Kosova, 11 November 2012 22:23)


What the hell are you on? This is why I no longer treat the Albanians with anything but ridicule and continue to write repetitious comments to the point they may appear as propaganda. These guys think there is a plantation of money trees and there is no limit to cash or expenditure.

Now get this through your thick head once and for all. The EU is in deep crises and its now an open secret that even Germany is in recession so any help from that quarter is out of the question. Angela Merkel went to Bejing about 5 weeks ago asking for a direct injection into EU economy, but was refused.

Let me quote Barak Obama’s recent statement “we are on a financial cliff”. He wasn’t just talking about the dispute between Republicans and Democrats in Congress and the Senate. He was talking about the horrendous level of debt which now hovers near 17 trillion with unfunded liabilities of anywhere between $115 to $280 trillion (depending on who you talk to).

I’m talking about the EU/US capacities to continue with this course of action in Kosovo and your talking about Serbian banks. I know that Serbia is in SERIOUS economic trouble, but so is the rest of the world mate.

I’m talking about the EU/US capacities to continue with this course of action in Kosovo and your talking about Serbian banks. I know that Serbia is in SERIOUS economic trouble, but so is the rest of the world mate.
(sj, 12 November 2012 02:22)


sj,

You are correct in saying Serbia has serious economic problems. That is the reason Serbia is desperate to join the EU. The USA would like to see Serbia solve its financial difficulties by entering the EU, although that won't happen for at least ten years. Where you are sadly mistaken is in thinking that Serbia has an alternative to avoiding economic collapse. You continue to harp on the feeble claim of Serbia having some other choice such as aligning with the BRICS countries. Thus far Serbia has no significant offers, even from their Russian brothers. Why is that, sj? You know very well the BRICS neither care nor have the ability to help Serbia. The global economic crisis is affecting all nations, including America. However, all your salivating brought on by hoping the US is going to implode economically is only due to your pathological delusions. Just today an independent study was released stating that by 2017 the USA will be the largest producer of energy in the world, including Saudi Arabia. Even without this, the US still has the desire as well as the economic and military resources to aid Kosova. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

"...majority of Serbs don't want to join the EU if it means recognizing Kosovo. So, we are back at square one."
(MikeC, 11 November 2012 09:03)

I personally do not have any problem with the above. Tell me how the above will help Serbia in its claim to "territorial integrity and sovereignty" over Kosovo? Please BE REAL not what you wish for once.

sj,

So far, all of your predictions have failed to come true. Also, you need understand that should your enemies fall on hard times, does not necessarily mean Serbia will benefit. Therefore, sj, your Turkish inherited Inat will not help you in any meaningful way. Why not listen to what one of your Serb politicians, who knows far more than you, has to say:

She (Tabakovic) urged managing boards of banks in Serbia "to make very serious and thorough final reports" this year, and avoid "lying to themselves that the situation is better than it is", warning at the same time that auditors "will publicly show the situation for what it is".

Tabaković stressed that she on several occasions warned cabinet ministers "not to comment on the situation in the financial sector", because, she said, this was the job of the NBS.

So you see, sj, lying benefits no one, including yourself. Beside, you are not fooling anyone with your Tokyo Rose styled propaganda.

That's very clear and precise, dear, except for a small detail... How does "more-than-autonomy-but-less-than-independence" make Kosovo go anywhere, like getting UN membership? Just asking so that we can have an argument for convincing our Albanian friends in Kosovo that they should go back under Serbia.
(icj1, 14 November 2012 05:27)
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It doesn't get Kosovo a UN membership. Have you been not paying attention? Kosovo will NEVER get a UN membersip so it's only option is to get back in Seriban borders.
Serbia can survive without EU membership. Is has survived this long and it will outlive the EU itself.
Kosovo will not be able to move on ever. Nobody will do business with a country not recognised by major institutions. Sure, you have IMF but what do you with that? If you don't have investors you have nothing and to have investors you have to be recognised and stable.
I am amazed that you are not getting any of this.
A shop cannot stay open unless there are customers. I really can't explain it in any more simple terms that that.

I mean... the BRICS-countries are a league of their own, Serbia will not join them, not as a country with only 10 million people... but the BRICS-countries will support Serbia for their very own reasons
(Jovan, 11 November 2012 02:56)

Sure, the average Indian with the GDP/capita of less than 3 times that of the average Serb will help Serbia.... probably with a cow :).

Anyway, we really saw the main Serbia's "supporter" how much it did to heed Serbia's pleadings to veto 1244 in 1999 which, according to Serbia, was one of the darkest pages of UNSC's history contributing to the dismemberment of a sovereign European state. When Serbia's "supporters" are called to action they are nowhere to be seen; but with words, yeah, they support Serbia day and night. It's great that all Serbs need is some nice words to call somebody an ally :)

Thanks for your "explanation" but don't you think that it will be much easier for Kosovo "to go somewhere" with Albania rather Serbia?
========================================

That was clarly not made an option for you.
So what now?

So you see, "Kosova" is not going anywhere without Serbia.

Is this clear and precise enough for you?
(Peggy, 12 November 2012 01:20)

Peggy,

Thanks for your "explanation" but don't you think that it will be much easier for Kosovo "to go somewhere" with Albania rather Serbia? Do you really think that the overwhelming majority of EU country will allow Serbia in its ranks without first Serbian recognise Kosovo independence...? Be real!

As long as Serbia doesn't recognise "Kosova" then neither will Russia and China who are prepared to veto any UN membership.
So you see, "Kosova" is not going anywhere without Serbia.

Is this clear and precise enough for you?
(Peggy, 12 November 2012 01:20)

That's very clear and precise, dear, except for a small detail... How does "more-than-autonomy-but-less-than-independence" make Kosovo go anywhere, like getting UN membership? Just asking so that we can have an argument for convincing our Albanian friends in Kosovo that they should go back under Serbia.

It doesn't get Kosovo a UN membership. Have you been not paying attention? Kosovo will NEVER get a UN membersip so it's only option is to get back in Seriban borders.
(Peggy, 15 November 2012 02:22)

For the sake of the argument, I agree that Kosovo will NEVER get a UN membership. But I don't get how that makes Kosovo getting back in Serbian borders the solution to that problem ?

For the first time the truth has been published. Amen to the the truth. Every single word she said is made public. Why can't we have the same every day???

If Kosovo does not eneter UN then serbia will not enter EU...seems fair! There are 22 soon to be 24 EU

Say it loud and clear - NO eu without recognizing independent Kosova!

this is great news because the EU is falling anyway lol so kosovo is still serbia and serbia joins the new superpower group called brics
BRAZIL
RUSSIA
INDIA
CHINA
SOUTH AFRICA.

@Nikola

where on earth are you getting your numbers seriously?? the way you are thinking its like albanians are the majority in serbia which is not the case ... its a known fact that the citizens of serbia would choose kosovo over the eu if asked in a referendum, which it will be soon enough .. no serb politician will make a deal or recognize kosovo for two reasons, one they cant because it violates the country's constitution and they would be impeached and disgraced, the second reason falls in line with the first one and that is the politician's career would be over ... there is no need to join the eu cuz it has not provided any benefits for any of the balkan countires, bulgaria, romania and greece are all worse off now compared to before they joined the eu .. the eu is sooner or later going to collapse asnyway so there is no need to join it when we have allies in the emerging economic powers (brazil, south africa, china, india, russia) and the new military and political powers (russia and china) ... face it the time of the west is over and a new era is emerging ... this kosovo problem may come down to another war which i would hate but if it does so be it, all we would need our allies to do is to keep the west out of the war and serbia would have reclaimed ALL of kosovo, cuz lets be honest the albanians are no match for the serbs in a military fight as you saw in 1999 when serbs were beating the hell out of the albanians

Around 30% of people in Serbia would suport Kosovo independence and EU. The funny thing is that with Kosovo as part of Serbia and albanian vote, it would be over 50 % people suporting Kosovo independence.

this is great news because the EU is falling anyway lol so kosovo is still serbia and serbia joins the new superpower group called brics
BRAZIL
RUSSIA
INDIA
CHINA
SOUTH AFRICA.
(EU is a joke, 10 November 2012 19:13)

Interesting... I did not know that Serbia aspires to reduce its GDP/capita by 3+ times to become like, say, India, a superpower indeed... But, hey, every country has its own way to define progress, and Serbia is known for weird ways :)

Why is this lady so convinced that Belgrade will not, in her words, 'play with its European perspective'? I have every confidence that this is exactly what they will do although I would phrase it differently. The Serbian majority still wants Kosovo to be prioritised over EU membership and whatever one might think of this in the ivory towers of Brussels that is what democracy is about. Where do they get these people from? My taxes are helping pay her salary and yet she lives in cuckoo land.

"No EU without Kosovo recognition, EP rapporteur claims"

Funny thing is that the title can go both ways: No EU for Serbia unless it recognizes Kosovo, or no EU for Kosovo unless it is recognized by Serbia. Since Serbs neither want to join the EU nor let go of Kosovo, I'd say the burden of responsibility to get out of this little diplomatic hoohah rests more with the Kosovo Albanians who want both. If we're threatened with denial of something we don't want because of something we won't do, Lunatic and others are going to have to do more than issue empty ultimatums :)

Aleks

you mean beating the hell out of innocent children!

I'm really surprised at the Albanian commentators here..
As if the Serbian people need dictation from a bureaucrat in an organization that is pretty well defunct..
The Albanian commentators jump with joy, like some sibling that's adult candy and supervision...

Good luck with that.

I think is fair to put he question up for a nation wide referendum. Let the Serb people decide which one they want.
Promising them both, EU and Kosova, it's not only unfair but also insulting to people intelligence. This way no government can bear the responsibility of signing off something against people's wish.

She expressed belief that Serbia would demand a wide autonomy and maybe a special status for northern Kosovo in the talks with Priština.

She also expressed that she needs attention and hugs.

The EU will not have another Cyprus?!?! Cyprus was invaded and colonized and partitioned...the Communist PIGS of Tito gave the Albanians land too not only weaken the Serbian Majority in Yugo and to create a 5th Column in Albania...the EU advisers need too Get their heads out of their Buts...and find a solution beneficial too both parties...unfortunately ,if they don't its obvious our issues with(Blond European) radical islam/human trafficking/drug trafficking/organ trafficking/ will spin out of control...Both sides Christian and Muslim need too find a common ground and live together in Peace and security... How Many More Christians are Going too be Murder in the name of Deomoncracy?!?

Serbia MUST shelve its EU ambition. Reclaiming Kosovo in full MUST be the Govt's objective. All other expressed views must be dismissed.

@Brady

no actually the serbs goal was never to cleanse kosovo of the albanian population but rather it was to eliminate the terrorist and criminal group known as the kla, and the west had already known about this and knew that the kla was a terrorist group ... the only reason the west cooperated with the kla is becasue its leaders were criminals that were easy to manipulate and control, unlike the serbs who were hard pressed .... the trouble in kosovo started when you Albanians started beating, rioting and committing violence against serbs, romas, jews, and the police which basically left the government with no choice but to intervene and send the military down there ... if the serb government wanted to cleanse kosovo of albanians then it could have done that pretty easily, instead what happened was that the army was centered on attacking and killing the kla and its leaders ... the albanians and other ethnic groups didnt start even moving out of kosovo until the nato bombings started, so guess what nato was the prime reason for the ethnic cleansing, not the serbs cuz the serbs were also displaced

“Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić has said that Serbia will fulfill all EU conditions but that it would never recognize Kosovo’s independence”.
Nikolic is saying to the EU you can stick your membership we are not joining.
This poor Ulrike Lunacek has got the task of placating the Albanians because there is now a real fear of an EU sellout – I can see why the EU is cashless and the US, well Obama did used the term fiscal cliff and he wasn’t referring to getting an agreement from the Republicans – just keep your eyes open as the US takes chainsaws to its defense budget. It’s going to be a blood bath and its has to be like this for many decades to come and that’s just to stay afloat not as a superpower.

Good. Who wants to join the EU anyway? To basically lose our sovereignty, for what? Now the EEA is a different matter. They are not mutually exclusive.

Albanian hopes of a recongized Kosovo depends on if Serbia joins the EU or not. Even if what this clown says is true, its also true that a majority of Serbs don't want to join the EU if it means recognizing Kosovo. So, we are back at square one.

@icj, who believes himself to be an expert of UNSCR 1244...:

boy, I know it´s your only fun to write in this way...but, don´t you see that you´re degrading yourself with comments like yours?

I mean... the BRICS-countries are a league of their own, Serbia will not join them, not as a country with only 10 million people... but the BRICS-countries will support Serbia for their very own reasons, and it certainly is not only Russia... but if you want, you can go on believing and even writing that. it is amusing me ( and others I guess ) anyway.

as a side note: have you ever thought about it that you Albanians will not come even close to Serbia when you write such a nonsense?

you´re lacking almost all important factors in regard to that. what you can offer is cheap labour, but without learning serbian or at least propper english... you won´t get very far, my dear k-albanian friend.

if you do not even speak serbian, you´ll be needless. remember, europe has enough unemployed who are sufficiently educated, ...so what the hell will you do then, without the needed standards in language and general education?

...and YOU dream about having "friends"... =)

This is called pure bribery.A game polititiens play with Serbia.
The EU won the war from the air, but on the ground they lost.
Now they live in agony because a small country like serbia does not listen to some big EU states.
What is needed is an honest deal. Until now it looks like pure robbery.

(EU is a joke, 10 November 2012 19:13)
Since you like jokes let me give you 2 more.
1. BRICS is the title of an association of leading emerging economies, and you think that Serbia is any where close to fitting that description.
2. That you think that there is any interest in the Brics countries asking a charity like Serbia joining their group.

I personally do not have any problem with the above. Tell me how the above will help Serbia in its claim to "territorial integrity and sovereignty" over Kosovo? Please BE REAL not what you wish for once.
(EA, 11 November 2012 18:51)
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As long as Serbia doesn't recognise "Kosova" then neither will the five EU members who have not and 'Kosova" is never going to join EU too.
As long as Serbia doesn't recognise "Kosova" then neither will Russia and China who are prepared to veto any UN membership.
So you see, "Kosova" is not going anywhere without Serbia.

Is this clear and precise enough for you?

I don't think EU means anything to anybody anymore

Serbia doesn't need the EU, it needs free trade agreements with other countries.

Well, even EU countries like Spain and Romania do not recognize the illegal Kosovo independence. So why should Serbia? What will the EU do on these (Spain, Romania, ....)?

And you think Georgia (if it ever becomes EU member) will recognize Kosovo?

(The Count of Kosova, 11 November 2012 22:23)


What the hell are you on? This is why I no longer treat the Albanians with anything but ridicule and continue to write repetitious comments to the point they may appear as propaganda. These guys think there is a plantation of money trees and there is no limit to cash or expenditure.

Now get this through your thick head once and for all. The EU is in deep crises and its now an open secret that even Germany is in recession so any help from that quarter is out of the question. Angela Merkel went to Bejing about 5 weeks ago asking for a direct injection into EU economy, but was refused.

Let me quote Barak Obama’s recent statement “we are on a financial cliff”. He wasn’t just talking about the dispute between Republicans and Democrats in Congress and the Senate. He was talking about the horrendous level of debt which now hovers near 17 trillion with unfunded liabilities of anywhere between $115 to $280 trillion (depending on who you talk to).

I’m talking about the EU/US capacities to continue with this course of action in Kosovo and your talking about Serbian banks. I know that Serbia is in SERIOUS economic trouble, but so is the rest of the world mate.

sj,

So far, all of your predictions have failed to come true. Also, you need understand that should your enemies fall on hard times, does not necessarily mean Serbia will benefit. Therefore, sj, your Turkish inherited Inat will not help you in any meaningful way. Why not listen to what one of your Serb politicians, who knows far more than you, has to say:

She (Tabakovic) urged managing boards of banks in Serbia "to make very serious and thorough final reports" this year, and avoid "lying to themselves that the situation is better than it is", warning at the same time that auditors "will publicly show the situation for what it is".

Tabaković stressed that she on several occasions warned cabinet ministers "not to comment on the situation in the financial sector", because, she said, this was the job of the NBS.

So you see, sj, lying benefits no one, including yourself. Beside, you are not fooling anyone with your Tokyo Rose styled propaganda.

I’m talking about the EU/US capacities to continue with this course of action in Kosovo and your talking about Serbian banks. I know that Serbia is in SERIOUS economic trouble, but so is the rest of the world mate.
(sj, 12 November 2012 02:22)


sj,

You are correct in saying Serbia has serious economic problems. That is the reason Serbia is desperate to join the EU. The USA would like to see Serbia solve its financial difficulties by entering the EU, although that won't happen for at least ten years. Where you are sadly mistaken is in thinking that Serbia has an alternative to avoiding economic collapse. You continue to harp on the feeble claim of Serbia having some other choice such as aligning with the BRICS countries. Thus far Serbia has no significant offers, even from their Russian brothers. Why is that, sj? You know very well the BRICS neither care nor have the ability to help Serbia. The global economic crisis is affecting all nations, including America. However, all your salivating brought on by hoping the US is going to implode economically is only due to your pathological delusions. Just today an independent study was released stating that by 2017 the USA will be the largest producer of energy in the world, including Saudi Arabia. Even without this, the US still has the desire as well as the economic and military resources to aid Kosova. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

NOBODY in SERBIA will ask the SERBS. It seems that the Dacic-clan has given the approval to all demands. Nikolic made it clear in Athens, Serbia will fullfil the EU-conditions. Either you recognize a country or not ("a little bit pregnant"), a "normalization" means the realtions should be normal, and the relations are starting with the mutual recognition. Also without expressing it: if you accept the border, the sovereignty with police etc, it is a recognition BY FACTS, BY ACTING. More is not expected from Serbia. Serbia will be a failed state and the EU-members "are hungry" to have Serbia friend and partner within the EU. Nobody will believe this. Regarding the "historic talks" in Brussels you will find in leading European newspapers nothing or short articles which are only publishing the Albanian position. Serbia alone at home.

"...majority of Serbs don't want to join the EU if it means recognizing Kosovo. So, we are back at square one."
(MikeC, 11 November 2012 09:03)

I personally do not have any problem with the above. Tell me how the above will help Serbia in its claim to "territorial integrity and sovereignty" over Kosovo? Please BE REAL not what you wish for once.

As long as Serbia doesn't recognise "Kosova" then neither will Russia and China who are prepared to veto any UN membership.
So you see, "Kosova" is not going anywhere without Serbia.

Is this clear and precise enough for you?
(Peggy, 12 November 2012 01:20)

That's very clear and precise, dear, except for a small detail... How does "more-than-autonomy-but-less-than-independence" make Kosovo go anywhere, like getting UN membership? Just asking so that we can have an argument for convincing our Albanian friends in Kosovo that they should go back under Serbia.

I mean... the BRICS-countries are a league of their own, Serbia will not join them, not as a country with only 10 million people... but the BRICS-countries will support Serbia for their very own reasons
(Jovan, 11 November 2012 02:56)

Sure, the average Indian with the GDP/capita of less than 3 times that of the average Serb will help Serbia.... probably with a cow :).

Anyway, we really saw the main Serbia's "supporter" how much it did to heed Serbia's pleadings to veto 1244 in 1999 which, according to Serbia, was one of the darkest pages of UNSC's history contributing to the dismemberment of a sovereign European state. When Serbia's "supporters" are called to action they are nowhere to be seen; but with words, yeah, they support Serbia day and night. It's great that all Serbs need is some nice words to call somebody an ally :)

So you see, "Kosova" is not going anywhere without Serbia.

Is this clear and precise enough for you?
(Peggy, 12 November 2012 01:20)

Peggy,

Thanks for your "explanation" but don't you think that it will be much easier for Kosovo "to go somewhere" with Albania rather Serbia? Do you really think that the overwhelming majority of EU country will allow Serbia in its ranks without first Serbian recognise Kosovo independence...? Be real!

That's very clear and precise, dear, except for a small detail... How does "more-than-autonomy-but-less-than-independence" make Kosovo go anywhere, like getting UN membership? Just asking so that we can have an argument for convincing our Albanian friends in Kosovo that they should go back under Serbia.
(icj1, 14 November 2012 05:27)
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It doesn't get Kosovo a UN membership. Have you been not paying attention? Kosovo will NEVER get a UN membersip so it's only option is to get back in Seriban borders.
Serbia can survive without EU membership. Is has survived this long and it will outlive the EU itself.
Kosovo will not be able to move on ever. Nobody will do business with a country not recognised by major institutions. Sure, you have IMF but what do you with that? If you don't have investors you have nothing and to have investors you have to be recognised and stable.
I am amazed that you are not getting any of this.
A shop cannot stay open unless there are customers. I really can't explain it in any more simple terms that that.

It doesn't get Kosovo a UN membership. Have you been not paying attention? Kosovo will NEVER get a UN membersip so it's only option is to get back in Seriban borders.
(Peggy, 15 November 2012 02:22)

For the sake of the argument, I agree that Kosovo will NEVER get a UN membership. But I don't get how that makes Kosovo getting back in Serbian borders the solution to that problem ?

Thanks for your "explanation" but don't you think that it will be much easier for Kosovo "to go somewhere" with Albania rather Serbia?
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That was clarly not made an option for you.
So what now?