“Serbia will fulfill conditions, won’t recognize Kosovo”

Richard Holbrooke the Bosnian peace architect once said to a Serb PM;
“if Serbia chooses Kosovo over the E.U., it will end up with neither." ...

"Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić has said that Serbia will fulfill all EU conditions but that it would never recognize Kosovo’s independence."

Well recognising Kosovo will be a condition for getting certain EU states to ratify Serbia's EU membership which Serbia requires for membership. Serbia needs to get 27 (soon to be 28) EU states to ratify Serbia's membership, so good luck with that. I'm just sayingn that Kosovo might get in the way of ratifying Serbia's membership, amongst other things. Just saying!

Yep and before you used to say 'we will never give up Krajina'. So long and thanks for all the fish!

Good! And if that means Serbia can't go into the EU, GOOD! Change government policies, start building on your own industry, let the EU rot while you have an independant economy that doesnt impoverish their own people just to belong to the EU. Serbia could be a fantastic place if only those damn politicians didnt want it in the EU at any cost.

Country like my own (Netherlands) is too late to go out of the EU, we would die of starvation if we left EU, Serbia has still a chance!

Greece is our traditional partner and very important country for us. It is always good to have strong relationship with them. Also, Greece did not recognize Kosovo, they are country with Orthodox Christian majority and they are potentially important for Serbia`s intention to be part of European Union

“Serbia will fulfill conditions, won’t recognize Kosovo”

Good to know, Serbia will abolish its state structures in Kosovo.

ughh this news about "we won't recognize kosovo " is getting old man......the west has made it clear to you serbs, that you need to recognize kosovo to be part of the EU, even if one state veto you, you won't be part of the EU, what part dont you understand....serbs can not be smarter than the west...when the west says this is the best solution, that is the best solution, period and you can't do a darn thing about it, you can cry all day and night but you rpeople are suffering from economic and unemployment period. kosovo is long gone and if these kind of news make serbs happy well.....good luck understanding the media

... Also, Greece did not recognize Kosovo...
@Strawbury,

True Greece didnt recognise Kosovo officially,but Greece has voted PRO,to bomb Serbia in 1999,has voted PRO for Kosovo to enter WB and IMF,recognised Kosovo passaport and drivers lincence and will vote PRO Kosovo's membership in Europian Bank for Development,and finally Greece has recieved and met Hashim Thaci as PM of Kosovo.

Unlike serbs,when it comes to albanians dhe Kosovo, Greece plays smart.

Serbia said it will never remove its soldiers and police from Kosova, it did.It said the same about talking with Thaqi , duuuuuuuhh. ANd similarly it will recognize KOsova.

wind of wars guysssss!!!!! For 100 years the peace in Ballkans was asured by Albanians,now they can't more do this. I make u sure that Albanians are ready to take back thier lands that they lose in 1913.

The allies of Balkan war reactivated. One was supposed to push from the south the other from the north. All in expense of Albanians.

I wonder if Serbia will end up with any of the Kosovo cake?
Hopefully the territory will be split in line with the ethnic proportions of 1990.
(Renko, 9 November 2012 16:02)

The 1991 Yugoslavian Census said that there were 1,596,072 (81.6%) Albanians in Kosova and there were 194,190 (9.9%) Serbs Kosova. However many Albanians unlike Sers boycotted this census, so we will never know the true figure of Albanians in Kosova in 1990. However what we do know is that the figure that 200,000 Serbs were ethnically cleansed from Kosova is a load of garbage because there weren't 200,000 Serbs to start with and there are 140,000 Serbs still in Kosova today. The only sensible way to split Kosova is at the Ibar river, Serbia can have that lawless wild west in the north.

"The only sensible way to split Kosova is at the Ibar river, Serbia can have that lawless wild west in the north.
(Haitian, 9 November 2012 16:45)"

What about the places like Strpce and Brezovica which are mostly Serb - and the other areas where Bosniaks and Gorani live?
Hopefully they have the right to choose as well?

eric, thanks for the clear logic. it is 100% true that any single eu state can block serbias accession into the union. there is truth in that. there is also truth in the fact that any permanent member of the un security councul can block kosovos ability to join that union. sounds very much like a mexican standoff with one side being potentially denied membership in a continental economic and loose political union, and the other side being potentially denied membership to an organization which is globally seen as one that defines nations.
before you start blasting at people for being dense, you might want to shake that thought around for a bit.
as long as both sides are holding a gun to the others head both sides can and will play these politically progressive games that they've been playing.

I wonder if Serbia will end up with any of the Kosovo cake?
Hopefully the territory will be split in line with the ethnic proportions of 1990.
(Renko, 9 November 2012 16:)

Aaaah...
How about ethnic proportions of 5th century AD?

All that needs to happen is give the Serbs Mitrovica and call it a day trade you get that we get recognition everything moves along... aint hard to do...

i wonder what crystal ball our honourable delegate from the great island nation of haiti is looking into by suggesting that clearly only albanians boycotted a 90s census while reamining equally certain that every single serb did, and that over the time period from the early 90 until today that no serbs relocated to kosovo to increase these partially correct figures.
as it is a well known fact that serbs that were cleansed out of croatia, and bosnia relocated to kosovo, and other parts of serbia.
it is clear to those of us that counts taken of people who have been cleansed out of kosovo are and have been predominantly serbs.
may the great island empire of haiti free itself from the wrath of mother nature, that the undo their deal with satan (as per the wise american pat robertson's insight).

True Greece didnt recognise Kosovo officially,but Greece has voted PRO,to bomb Serbia in 1999
==========================

Is that why Greece was helping Serbia during sanctions? Is that why NATO had to use Italian air strips and not Greek to take off from to bomb Serbia? Is that why Greece was giving Serbia information on how and where NATO was going to do it?
Yes, I can see that Greece was very much in favour of the bombing of Serbia.

Miri

Do you know many Albanians using passports when they travel or driving licences when they drive?
99.9% of Albanians in Europe went there illegally and virtually all the cars they own are stolen.

What about the places like Strpce and Brezovica which are mostly Serb - and the other areas where Bosniaks and Gorani live?
Hopefully they have the right to choose as well?
(Renko, 9 November 2012 17:07)

Well if you're going to get technical like that on small enclaves, then what about Hungarian, Bosniak and Croat enclaves in Serbia, what implications will it have for them? I'm not even going to mention Preshevo Valley. I think dividing at the Ibar is fair enough because it marks de facto boundaries as Serbia de facto runs the north/ funds what very little infrastructure there is.

Drawing political maps based on ethic maps down to individual towns will proper screw up the Balkans, a lot worse than the 90s and no one wants that!

I am Greek and i love Serbia like all the people in my country , we support Serbia and i am very happy for this , but we want and your support about skopia and the name of makedonia.
have i nice day brothers
halo brate

UN security???…?? ! budy you make no sence, did you graduate at 4th grade, good coz you mentality tells it all
(eric, 9 November 2012 21:50)
================================
Actually, it is your answer which makes no sense at all. Care to explain it to us lesser mortals which no education?
What do you mean by UN Security???

Aaaah...
How about ethnic proportions of 5th century AD?
(miri, 9 November 2012 20:29)
==============================
Sure, only if the rest of the world agrees to go back to those maps. Let's see how the west likes that.

I wonder if Serbia will end up with any of the Kosovo cake?
Hopefully the territory will be split in line with the ethnic proportions of 1990.

We dont have a continuity in making a strategy decisions and actions by each government. Now its late for these kind of decisions and actions. Like we are waiting a miracle. What have left from the previous government , what kind of positive elements they left for building a better position in negotiations for the KIM? Nothing has left. Now we can just wait what the newest government can do in this almost hopeless situation. I can see a very intensive diplomatic activity, but we will see.

eric, thanks for the clear logic. it is 100% true that any single eu state can block serbias accession into the union. there is truth in that. there is also truth in the fact that any permanent member of the un security councul can block kosovos ability to join that union. sounds very much like a mexican standoff with one side being potentially denied membership in a continental economic and loose political union, and the other side being potentially denied membership to an organization which is globally seen as one that defines nations.
before you start blasting at people for being dense, you might want to shake that thought around for a bit.
as long as both sides are holding a gun to the others head both sides can and will play these politically progressive games that they've been playing.
(cloaccio, 9 November 2012 20:13)

UN security????????????????! budy you make no sence, did you graduate at 4th grade, good coz you mentality tells it all

all of the conditions are forms of recognizing kosovo independence! The IBM deal , conferences, education , all the deals have all been serbia recongizing kosovo independence. So was the decision to abolish the kosovo ministry. How is serbia not recognizing kosovo independence. Serbia is not not recognizing kosovo indepedence its just being a child and wont say the word.

Leading newspapers in Western Europe are reporting that an agreement between Serbia and KS about the fundaments of its realtions will be prepared. Serbia will not longer block the admission of KS to the N. Surely that Russia will not block this either if Serbia is voting for KS admission. Serbia is just before the total capitulation. Is there any future for Serbia with its other problems? Nobody knows.

@ Nicolle,

Wow.. You hit the nail with this comment.Bravo..

Regards, and thanks to B92..

Yep and before you used to say 'we will never give up Krajina'. So long and thanks for all the fish!
(Nikolle, 9 November 2012 12:47)

Is that why Greece was helping Serbia during sanctions? Is that why NATO had to use Italian air strips and not Greek to take off from to bomb Serbia? Is that why Greece was giving Serbia information on how and where NATO was going to do it?
Yes, I can see that Greece was very much in favour of the bombing of Serbia.
(Peggy, 10 November 2012 01:00)

Yup, exactly, Greece did all of that in order to make people like you think that Greece really supported Serbia. And it succecced as your statement shows - Serbs are people who can be easily decived.

When it was for real for Greece to stop the bombing, it did not vote against it, and would have prevented the NATO occupation. When it is for real for Russia and China to prevent the dismemberment of Serbia in 1999 by vetoing 1244 as Serbia asked, they did not do it. But still Serbs were very easily brainwashed how great allies Greece, Russia and China are just because they help with words. And that's great, for Kosovo that is, that all Serbs care about are some nice words :)

Yep and before you used to say 'we will never give up Krajina'. So long and thanks for all the fish!

Richard Holbrooke the Bosnian peace architect once said to a Serb PM;
“if Serbia chooses Kosovo over the E.U., it will end up with neither." ...

“Serbia will fulfill conditions, won’t recognize Kosovo”

Good to know, Serbia will abolish its state structures in Kosovo.

I wonder if Serbia will end up with any of the Kosovo cake?
Hopefully the territory will be split in line with the ethnic proportions of 1990.

Good! And if that means Serbia can't go into the EU, GOOD! Change government policies, start building on your own industry, let the EU rot while you have an independant economy that doesnt impoverish their own people just to belong to the EU. Serbia could be a fantastic place if only those damn politicians didnt want it in the EU at any cost.

Country like my own (Netherlands) is too late to go out of the EU, we would die of starvation if we left EU, Serbia has still a chance!

Greece is our traditional partner and very important country for us. It is always good to have strong relationship with them. Also, Greece did not recognize Kosovo, they are country with Orthodox Christian majority and they are potentially important for Serbia`s intention to be part of European Union

... Also, Greece did not recognize Kosovo...
@Strawbury,

True Greece didnt recognise Kosovo officially,but Greece has voted PRO,to bomb Serbia in 1999,has voted PRO for Kosovo to enter WB and IMF,recognised Kosovo passaport and drivers lincence and will vote PRO Kosovo's membership in Europian Bank for Development,and finally Greece has recieved and met Hashim Thaci as PM of Kosovo.

Unlike serbs,when it comes to albanians dhe Kosovo, Greece plays smart.

Serbia said it will never remove its soldiers and police from Kosova, it did.It said the same about talking with Thaqi , duuuuuuuhh. ANd similarly it will recognize KOsova.

I wonder if Serbia will end up with any of the Kosovo cake?
Hopefully the territory will be split in line with the ethnic proportions of 1990.
(Renko, 9 November 2012 16:02)

The 1991 Yugoslavian Census said that there were 1,596,072 (81.6%) Albanians in Kosova and there were 194,190 (9.9%) Serbs Kosova. However many Albanians unlike Sers boycotted this census, so we will never know the true figure of Albanians in Kosova in 1990. However what we do know is that the figure that 200,000 Serbs were ethnically cleansed from Kosova is a load of garbage because there weren't 200,000 Serbs to start with and there are 140,000 Serbs still in Kosova today. The only sensible way to split Kosova is at the Ibar river, Serbia can have that lawless wild west in the north.

All that needs to happen is give the Serbs Mitrovica and call it a day trade you get that we get recognition everything moves along... aint hard to do...

ughh this news about "we won't recognize kosovo " is getting old man......the west has made it clear to you serbs, that you need to recognize kosovo to be part of the EU, even if one state veto you, you won't be part of the EU, what part dont you understand....serbs can not be smarter than the west...when the west says this is the best solution, that is the best solution, period and you can't do a darn thing about it, you can cry all day and night but you rpeople are suffering from economic and unemployment period. kosovo is long gone and if these kind of news make serbs happy well.....good luck understanding the media

wind of wars guysssss!!!!! For 100 years the peace in Ballkans was asured by Albanians,now they can't more do this. I make u sure that Albanians are ready to take back thier lands that they lose in 1913.

"Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić has said that Serbia will fulfill all EU conditions but that it would never recognize Kosovo’s independence."

Well recognising Kosovo will be a condition for getting certain EU states to ratify Serbia's EU membership which Serbia requires for membership. Serbia needs to get 27 (soon to be 28) EU states to ratify Serbia's membership, so good luck with that. I'm just sayingn that Kosovo might get in the way of ratifying Serbia's membership, amongst other things. Just saying!

eric, thanks for the clear logic. it is 100% true that any single eu state can block serbias accession into the union. there is truth in that. there is also truth in the fact that any permanent member of the un security councul can block kosovos ability to join that union. sounds very much like a mexican standoff with one side being potentially denied membership in a continental economic and loose political union, and the other side being potentially denied membership to an organization which is globally seen as one that defines nations.
before you start blasting at people for being dense, you might want to shake that thought around for a bit.
as long as both sides are holding a gun to the others head both sides can and will play these politically progressive games that they've been playing.
(cloaccio, 9 November 2012 20:13)

UN security????????????????! budy you make no sence, did you graduate at 4th grade, good coz you mentality tells it all

"The only sensible way to split Kosova is at the Ibar river, Serbia can have that lawless wild west in the north.
(Haitian, 9 November 2012 16:45)"

What about the places like Strpce and Brezovica which are mostly Serb - and the other areas where Bosniaks and Gorani live?
Hopefully they have the right to choose as well?

i wonder what crystal ball our honourable delegate from the great island nation of haiti is looking into by suggesting that clearly only albanians boycotted a 90s census while reamining equally certain that every single serb did, and that over the time period from the early 90 until today that no serbs relocated to kosovo to increase these partially correct figures.
as it is a well known fact that serbs that were cleansed out of croatia, and bosnia relocated to kosovo, and other parts of serbia.
it is clear to those of us that counts taken of people who have been cleansed out of kosovo are and have been predominantly serbs.
may the great island empire of haiti free itself from the wrath of mother nature, that the undo their deal with satan (as per the wise american pat robertson's insight).

What about the places like Strpce and Brezovica which are mostly Serb - and the other areas where Bosniaks and Gorani live?
Hopefully they have the right to choose as well?
(Renko, 9 November 2012 17:07)

Well if you're going to get technical like that on small enclaves, then what about Hungarian, Bosniak and Croat enclaves in Serbia, what implications will it have for them? I'm not even going to mention Preshevo Valley. I think dividing at the Ibar is fair enough because it marks de facto boundaries as Serbia de facto runs the north/ funds what very little infrastructure there is.

Drawing political maps based on ethic maps down to individual towns will proper screw up the Balkans, a lot worse than the 90s and no one wants that!

I wonder if Serbia will end up with any of the Kosovo cake?
Hopefully the territory will be split in line with the ethnic proportions of 1990.
(Renko, 9 November 2012 16:)

Aaaah...
How about ethnic proportions of 5th century AD?

The allies of Balkan war reactivated. One was supposed to push from the south the other from the north. All in expense of Albanians.

all of the conditions are forms of recognizing kosovo independence! The IBM deal , conferences, education , all the deals have all been serbia recongizing kosovo independence. So was the decision to abolish the kosovo ministry. How is serbia not recognizing kosovo independence. Serbia is not not recognizing kosovo indepedence its just being a child and wont say the word.

@ Nicolle,

Wow.. You hit the nail with this comment.Bravo..

Regards, and thanks to B92..

Yep and before you used to say 'we will never give up Krajina'. So long and thanks for all the fish!
(Nikolle, 9 November 2012 12:47)

I am Greek and i love Serbia like all the people in my country , we support Serbia and i am very happy for this , but we want and your support about skopia and the name of makedonia.
have i nice day brothers
halo brate

eric, thanks for the clear logic. it is 100% true that any single eu state can block serbias accession into the union. there is truth in that. there is also truth in the fact that any permanent member of the un security councul can block kosovos ability to join that union. sounds very much like a mexican standoff with one side being potentially denied membership in a continental economic and loose political union, and the other side being potentially denied membership to an organization which is globally seen as one that defines nations.
before you start blasting at people for being dense, you might want to shake that thought around for a bit.
as long as both sides are holding a gun to the others head both sides can and will play these politically progressive games that they've been playing.

Miri

Do you know many Albanians using passports when they travel or driving licences when they drive?
99.9% of Albanians in Europe went there illegally and virtually all the cars they own are stolen.

Is that why Greece was helping Serbia during sanctions? Is that why NATO had to use Italian air strips and not Greek to take off from to bomb Serbia? Is that why Greece was giving Serbia information on how and where NATO was going to do it?
Yes, I can see that Greece was very much in favour of the bombing of Serbia.
(Peggy, 10 November 2012 01:00)

Yup, exactly, Greece did all of that in order to make people like you think that Greece really supported Serbia. And it succecced as your statement shows - Serbs are people who can be easily decived.

When it was for real for Greece to stop the bombing, it did not vote against it, and would have prevented the NATO occupation. When it is for real for Russia and China to prevent the dismemberment of Serbia in 1999 by vetoing 1244 as Serbia asked, they did not do it. But still Serbs were very easily brainwashed how great allies Greece, Russia and China are just because they help with words. And that's great, for Kosovo that is, that all Serbs care about are some nice words :)

We dont have a continuity in making a strategy decisions and actions by each government. Now its late for these kind of decisions and actions. Like we are waiting a miracle. What have left from the previous government , what kind of positive elements they left for building a better position in negotiations for the KIM? Nothing has left. Now we can just wait what the newest government can do in this almost hopeless situation. I can see a very intensive diplomatic activity, but we will see.

True Greece didnt recognise Kosovo officially,but Greece has voted PRO,to bomb Serbia in 1999
==========================

Is that why Greece was helping Serbia during sanctions? Is that why NATO had to use Italian air strips and not Greek to take off from to bomb Serbia? Is that why Greece was giving Serbia information on how and where NATO was going to do it?
Yes, I can see that Greece was very much in favour of the bombing of Serbia.

Leading newspapers in Western Europe are reporting that an agreement between Serbia and KS about the fundaments of its realtions will be prepared. Serbia will not longer block the admission of KS to the N. Surely that Russia will not block this either if Serbia is voting for KS admission. Serbia is just before the total capitulation. Is there any future for Serbia with its other problems? Nobody knows.

UN security???…?? ! budy you make no sence, did you graduate at 4th grade, good coz you mentality tells it all
(eric, 9 November 2012 21:50)
================================
Actually, it is your answer which makes no sense at all. Care to explain it to us lesser mortals which no education?
What do you mean by UN Security???

Aaaah...
How about ethnic proportions of 5th century AD?
(miri, 9 November 2012 20:29)
==============================
Sure, only if the rest of the world agrees to go back to those maps. Let's see how the west likes that.