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Thursday, 08.11.2012.

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Poll: 59% would choose Kosovo over EU

If Serbians voted in a referendum that would ask them to "choose between Kosovo and the EU", about two thirds would choose to keep Kosovo within Serbia.

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icj1

pre 11 godina

How do you know the person who made the comment is not a Malaysian ?! By reading the excellent posts of the CE of the B92 forums sj, it appears that Malaysians are very active and knowledgable about the Kosovo/Serbia affairs :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 12 November 2012 00:58)
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Seriously?
Is this your reply? Do you honestly think that what you write is intelligent in any way?
(Peggy, 13 November 2012 21:02)

Of course that was very intelligent. Our Malaysian-based friend, the CE of the 92 forums sj, has demonstrated over and over again that he/she knows Serbia, Kosovo and every other country much better than anybody living in those countries. Every intelligent person has to recognize that. Don't you agree ?!

icj1

pre 11 godina

despite the quite clear text of UNSCR 1244 you are claiming its a "dark page" for Serbia??? honestly,are you nuts?
(Jovan, 13 November 2012 11:49)

Sorry, again, you are confusing me with somebody else, who must be nuts. I did not say that UNSCR1244 is a "dark page" for Serbia. What I said is that, ***ACCORDING TO*** Serbia’s babbling, in adopting 1244 the UNSC wrote one of the darkest pages of its history being instrumental in the de facto dismemberment of a sovereign European State. If you don’t agree with that, no need to argue with me – I’m just the messenger of Serbia’s position; go and convince Serbia.

And, yes, you are correct that 1244 is very clear; Kosovo’s Declaration of Independence is in accordance with it; again thanks to Vuk who tirelessly worked to make that clear.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

How do you know the person who made the comment is not a Malaysian ?! By reading the excellent posts of the CE of the B92 forums sj, it appears that Malaysians are very active and knowledgable about the Kosovo/Serbia affairs :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 12 November 2012 00:58)
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Seriously?
Is this your reply? Do you honestly think that what you write is intelligent in any way?
I guess every site must have their fool.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

well, my dear k-albanian friend, ...indeed, there is some severe confusion in what you´re presenting us here...

well, I won´t deepen it further, since it seems clear that you are either deliberately writing something false, or you just don´t know what you´re babbling about.

but that wouldn´t be much of a surprise either. I´m afraid UNSCR 1244 is very clear on this, and if you really believe what your yellow-press is telling you, my dear, ...then you can´t be helped.

the only thing that is astonishing in my eyes in regard to you Albanians ...is the fact that you are, completely ignorant to basic facts, claiming things that are either not true or even not to be taken serious!

despite the quite clear text of UNSCR 1244 you are claiming its a "dark page" for Serbia??? honestly,are you nuts?

...and despite your fabulous inability to come up with real, and I mean serious and modern scientific sources that claim the illyrian descent of Albanians, you are stubbornly clinging to that myth of the german romanticism of over a hundred years ago...

what I am always asking myself when I read your wishful thinking - don´t you feel ashamed actually? I mean, writing such a poor nonsense here, ...it doesn´t make you Albanians look like you´re a proud people, you know?

icj1

pre 11 godina

but my very best laugh I had when I saw icj addressing me again... gee, you still believe you have anything to say? you, who was babbling about UNSCR 1244 not securing Serbia´s territorial integrity, and afterwards when I even had shown him where it is clearly stated he just stayed quiet!
(Jovan, 11 November 2012 02:45)

There must be some confusion hear, dear. It was not me but Serbia which was babbling that in adopting 1244 the UNSC wrote one of the darkest pages
of its history being instrumental in a de facto dismemberment of a
sovereign European State. Sorry, you have to convince Serbia, not me that you are correct :)

Anyway, whether you convince Serbia to agree with you or not, it does not change the fact that Kosovo's Declaration of Independence is in accordance with 1244 thanks to Vuk who worked tiressly to have that clarified.

icj1

pre 11 godina

If Malaysians made that comment I would ask them but since they didn't I asked the person who did.
(Peggy, 11 November 2012 03:34)

How do you know the person who made the comment is not a Malaysian ?! By reading the excellent posts of the CE of the B92 forums sj, it appears that Malaysians are very active and knowledgable about the Kosovo/Serbia affairs :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Peggy

pre 11 godina

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On what evidence do you base this on?
(Peggy, 10 November 2012 01:08)

I guess he/she should also have some Malaysian fried like sj's (Malaysians know a lot of secret stuff about global affairs)
(icj1, 10 November 2012 17:41)
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If Malaysians made that comment I would ask them but since they didn't I asked the person who did.
So I am still waiting for the answer from the person who did. If you wish to answer on their behalf then do so but please make it an intelligent answer otherwise let the person making a claim explain that claim.
Why do you jump in when nobody asked you anyway?
You know the old saying 'fools rush in...'.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

It’s even sweeter knowing that Serbian police daily return to Kosovo Albanians who sneek into Serbia proper trying to look for work. Back to prison Kosova.
(sj, 9 November 2012 11:11)

I guess that Kosovars love to be in Prison Kosova vs Prison Serbia.
(icj1, 10 November 2012 04:28)
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Then why do they try to sneak into Serbia?
icj1, it amazes me how you come here day after day and make a fool of yourself so willingly.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Nikole: don´t you worry about Russia, my dear k-albanian friend... even if they had only half of todays population it would still be more than enough... you seem to misinterprete something here...

as if it was about population numbers in regard to Russia... =)

as for Haitian, who is quite generously mentioning "friends" in europe, asia and so on...

well, let´s see how many of them will stay friends in the future!

we all know that you must talk like that, there is nothing else you can do. otherwise you would have to admit that you´re only us-puppets...

and believing that Brasil, South Africa ( who just joined the BRICS ) or India would "recognize" a black hole on Serbia´s territory as a "state"... well, dream on.

but my very best laugh I had when I saw icj addressing me again... gee, you still believe you have anything to say? you, who was babbling about UNSCR 1244 not securing Serbia´s territorial integrity, and afterwards when I even had shown him where it is clearly stated he just stayed quiet!
and here he dares to open his mouth again, oohaaa! =)

you Albanians are a funny species, actually. like one of your own historians ( I think it was Mr.Vebiu ) has put it, you want to live in a dream-world, since in reality you have nothing to be proud of. I think he´s right.

Skifteri

pre 11 godina

Oh, I thought you were a girl, or perhaps you are and just like people of the same gender?
(Zoran, 9 November 2012 10:14)
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Before arriving to those silly conclusions, maybe you should consider what Demi(not to be confused with western female celebrities) means in Albanian. You should consider asking serbs south of ibar, they probably have been learning some Shqip.

icj1

pre 11 godina

And you over estimate how much BRICS value Serbia, only Russia is the one which does stuff for Serbia. I'm just guessing which BRIC will fall down from that mighty BRIC Wall first. I think it will Brazil or South Africa first, they'll eventually recognize Kosova, then India will follow.
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On what evidence do you base this on?
(Peggy, 10 November 2012 01:08)

I guess he/she should also have some Malaysian fried like sj's (Malaysians know a lot of secret stuff about global affairs)

icj1

pre 11 godina

It’s just as sweet knowing that Kosovo is going nowhere and unemployment is anywhere between 70% to 80%, of course officially it only 45%, and life is so miserable for those Albanians.
(sj, 9 November 2012 11:11)

Even though I always defer to you on these matters since you are the CE of the B92 forums, this time I can't because you are making Kosovo look much better than what it actually is. According to my Malaysian friend (and as we know people from Malaysia have access to information that nobody else has), the unemployment in Kosovo is anywhere between 134,72% to 146,98%
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It’s even sweeter knowing that Serbian police daily return to Kosovo Albanians who sneek into Serbia proper trying to look for work. Back to prison Kosova.
(sj, 9 November 2012 11:11)

I guess that Kosovars love to be in Prison Kosova vs Prison Serbia.

icj1

pre 11 godina

oh and, ...don´t you think that Serbia relies solely on Russia... we´re siding with the brics-countries, you know..? they are on the rise...
(Jovan, 9 November 2012 18:36)

Of course, if we assume that BRICS includes Russia and that "rise" means declining population by the millions in one decade like Russia does, then, yes, you are correct...

Peggy

pre 11 godina

And you over estimate how much BRICS value Serbia, only Russia is the one which does stuff for Serbia. I'm just guessing which BRIC will fall down from that mighty BRIC Wall first. I think it will Brazil or South Africa first, they'll eventually recognize Kosova, then India will follow.
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On what evidence do you base this on?

Haitian

pre 11 godina

(Jovan, 9 November 2012 18:36)

And you over estimate how much BRICS value Serbia, only Russia is the one which does stuff for Serbia. I'm just guessing which BRIC will fall down from that mighty BRIC Wall first. I think it will Brazil or South Africa first, they'll eventually recognize Kosova, then India will follow. Then once most of the world recognizes Kosova, China will too. Kosova only needs four more recognitions before it can take Serbia's phrase "the majority of the world". Not even Russia supports Serbia that much, especially over Kosova. Russia is opposing Kosova for it's own reasons, it wants to have a proxy dispute with the West to try and prove that it is a superpower again, to try and show the world that Russia is important. But before you know it, Russia will want something from the West and the West will have it's price and Russia will sell out on Serbia.

Also the US isn't Kosova's only friend, we have friends all over Europe, we have rich friends in the Persian Gulf, rich friends in the far east of Asia, Australia, Canada and rising stars and regional powers in Africa. And before you know it, we'll be taking Serbia's friends from you. It is only a matter of time before we start joining organisations, we'll have enough votes in organizations where Russia can't veto us ;)


Serbia will not try and take control over Kosova again, they'd be stupid to, shooting their own feet; not even Nikolic is that stupid, he even says he isn't President here!

Hank the Tank

pre 11 godina

Serbs control the north and their churches while EULEX is left to deal with 1,7 million unemployed albanian organ harvesters. It couldn't be better for the serbs. Serbs control what they need to control.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

you k-albanians sound like a broken record, you´re always coming up with the same wishful thinking actually.

well, let´s see. Haitian, your predictions are amusing me, at best. not only because they´re so naive, but also because of their shortsightedness. but if you believe what your yellow-press is feeding you with, well you´ll get your reality-check sooner than you think.

but, one thing I know for sure - now, today you´re a big-mouth, but when the Serbs come back, you´ll be what you´re in reality: a small man. but probably you will be gone, run away to the albanian mountains...

as for nikole: your broken record-babbling is funny as well! your stubborn remarks about 500 years made me smile though... you know, we live in a globalized world, changes are coming faster than you think... and I think you´ll be suprised how fast.

why don´t you amuse us with your so desperately needed "illyrian descent"? desperately needed for your self-conscience of course... not that there is something to it in reality.

but you´re free to dream, until your kosovaaah-dream is over.

oh and, ...don´t you think that Serbia relies solely on Russia... we´re siding with the brics-countries, you know..? they are on the rise...your "friends", the "one and only global superpower" are slowly but surely getting weaker. I really don´t know why it is so hard for you to understand that! or do you just ignore it? =)

well, the dawn will come, even for you. and the last laugh will be ours. ;)

Haitian

pre 11 godina

@ Jovan How under international law is Kosova legally apart of Serbia? Kosova was only to be a soveriegn part of Yugoslavia whilst under international rule whilst Kosova's final status is established per 1244, 1244 was not final on Kosova's status. Kosova decided that our final status should be as independent and not Serbian, this is not prohibited by 1244. This is why UNMIK handed over their powers to Kosova after we delcared independence, the end of international rule (apart from that one lonely UNMIK dude in North Mitrovica). Also 1244 doesn't say that Serbia's approval is required. Everything we did was legal. No laws were broken. Even Serbia knows this, this is why they have shut up about 1244 & start going on about their constitution instead.

Also I would love to see Serbia attempt to "restore control" south of the Ibar river.

And I'm not bothered what you have to say about Kosova's self confidence being based on the US, as Serbia's is based on Russia. Also the entire Balkans relies on Western hand outs and that is not good enough for Serbia as Serbia requires Russian, Chinese and IMF loans to survive on top of all the money the West throws at Serbia. So there is no chance in hell that Serbia would be able to care for Kosova. We saw how Serbia cared for Kosova in the 90s. We now look after ourselves thank you very much. People keep raving about the South Stream, but the income from that won't even cover the interests of your debts. So good luck with that!

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

" who laughs last laughs loudest."

is it? who's to say the last laugh hasn't happened already? i mean, i am continually reminded here that Serbs waited 500 years last time 'round (a very odd thing to write indeed), if its another 500 years, you won't be alive to see it. so enjoy writing about it. you know the saying 'those that can do, those that can't talk about it'...guess which category you fall under? greetings from Prishtina, 13 years of 'occupation' apparently :-) here's to another 500 more

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"all in its propper time, of course."

well, the sun is estimated to expand into a red giant in the next 5 billion years so don't worry, you have plenty of time.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

my dear k-albanian friend Nikole, what you are so eagerly displaying here... that´s exactly what I meant when I was addressing the naive albanian "selfconfidence"...

all you can contribute is this poor attempt to show some kind of "humour", but that humour will cost you dearly, and I don´t worry at all...

as far as you don´t change your very nature and stand on your own legs - what there is very little perspective for, actually - your future will be a living somewhere in the albanian mountains, and when the sun starts expanding.... =) I don´t believe that you will make it up to that very distant future at all.

you will fail much earlier. remember nikole, who laughs last laughs loudest.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Haitian:

we will see. I think you Albanians are celebrating too early. Serbia´s position is not that bad as your k-albanian yellow-press is telling you, actually.

not only is there still something called "international law", that means legally KiM is serbian territory temporarily under foreign control. this also means that as soon the chance is near, Serbia can restore control over what is serbian anyway. and the circumstances will change, that´s something you don´t wanna believe but it is a reality that will haunt you sooner or later.
and furthermore, your naive selfconfidence is purely based on US-american support. without it you´re a fart in the wind. I´m sorry, but that´s simply the way it is. and deep inside, you know that.

so, given that the US infrastructure in many of it´s area´s is only rated as "C" (average), and in most of them as "D" (sufficient) or even "D minus", if we can believe the US association of engineers - the US will sooner or later be forced to spend their money for domestic purposes, which means less military and less support for dependent beggars like you.
thank god, "Sandy" has shown the US that they have to care for themselves again, and after all that´s not that bad, since you won´t have to fear anything - Serbia will take care of you.

but hey, let´s give them americans a little more time, you know they are already a divided nation, but with ongoing economic problems... - all in its propper time, of course.

and yours is it to sit and wait.

Simot

pre 11 godina

Ha if albania enters the EU then in 50 to 100 years every EU country will have it's own little kosovo that's being seperated by people who were originally received as guests.

Over by dead body, Albania.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

I do not know of a SINGLE Albanian who has sneaked into the workers paradise of Serbia to look for work sj, not when Serbs in Serbia can't find work themselves. Greetings from Prishtina, no Serbia over here :-)

Zoran

pre 11 godina

100% of Kosovar Albanians don't want nothing at all to do with Serbia.
(Mendo, 9 November 2012 11:19)
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Even though you used a double negative, assuming you don't want anything to do with Serbia, why do so many visit this Serbian site?

sj

pre 11 godina

its sweet serbs think they can still have kosova
(Nikolle, 9 November 2012 09:30)
It’s just as sweet knowing that Kosovo is going nowhere and unemployment is anywhere between 70% to 80%, of course officially it only 45%, and life is so miserable for those Albanians. It’s even sweeter knowing that Serbian police daily return to Kosovo Albanians who sneek into Serbia proper trying to look for work. Back to prison Kosova.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Think about it, no third option was offered such as Kosovo and Europe (realistic or not, its a relevant question to ask). Neither was the splitting of Kosovo offered as an option, which would also have been very interesting and relevant. "
(bganon, 8 November 2012 21:55)

More interesting would have been the question: EU integration or closer ties with Russia and no EU. I wonder what the results would have been - especially amongst the few DSS supporters :)

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"This is followed by the opposition Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS) with 65 and 24 percent respectively - despite the fact that this party is considered to be among the strongest opponents of EU integrations."

Interesting. So 24% of the voters of the Anti-EU party DSS even prefer Europe over Kosovo, while in the currently ruling pro-EU parties the number is lower.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Again, people of Kosovo decide what happens to Kosovo. By the way has anybody asked Albania the same question?"
(Avni, 8 November 2012 22:17)

The same question? Like asking Albanians: "Would you prefer to create a common state with Kosovo, or would you prefer that Albania becomes an EU-country?"

I'm sure Albanians (in Albania) would have chosen EU, with 70% or more.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Yes and I want Beyonce as my girlfriend ...
(Demi, 8 November 2012 23:53)
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Oh, I thought you were a girl, or perhaps you are and just like people of the same gender?

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

Avni, the people of Kosovo are Serbs. We have spoken.
(Luka, 8 November 2012 23:50)
Luka have you done math in school? If not please let me teach you that 95% is larger than 5%.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

The question should be "Do you want to join the EU or not?" as Kosovo isn't an option because regardless of whether Serbia joins the EU or not, Serbia won't have Kosovo either way.

Well I suppose there is that third option wich Ari Gold is a fan of (despite the fact it wouldn't affect him), the hypothetical proposed Russian dominated organisation (therefore destined to fail like always) "Eurasian Union" where everyone enjoys civil liberties, democracy, a good standard of life without living in fear and without being spied upon/ monitored 24/7 by secret police. If Serbia were to join this propsed paradise on earth, they could all pretend that Kosovo is apart of Serbia :)

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"sk if it meant keeping Kosovo and absorbing the Albanians back into Serbia and we'd probably have a negative percent :)"

why? don't you people know that Kosova comes with those 2 million Albanians :-) ?

its sweet serbs think they can still have kosova

nik

pre 11 godina

bganon:splitting of Kosovo offered as an option, which would also have been very interesting and relevant.

Absolutly right... if the year was 1988. Than such a decision would have made Serbs and Albanians strategic allies! But what was easily doable yesterday is imposibility today. And what is more importent, what is feasilbe today may become omposible tomorrow.

Reader

pre 11 godina

I would really like that a referendum with that question be held in Serbia. The face of Dacic saying 'and now what' would be priceless. But they know it, so this type of question appears only on B92.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Too bad that is not even a choice.

First ALL of Kosovo is long gone, even if Serbia wants Kosovo, 95% of Kosovo's population DOES NOT WANT Serbia.

Second, Serbia wants EU, but does the EU want Serbia. After Serbia meets certain conditions and many reforms and further concessions are made by Serbia the EU MIGHT accept Serbia into the EU.

So you see, both of these choices: Kosovo or EU are NOT up to Serbia regardless of what lies, myths, dreams and or fantasies the Serbian government is trying to selling to it's population.

bganon

pre 11 godina

Balkan Anthropologist true enough about the government. But this poll wasn't set by the government (we can be sure of that!). But polls like this can help put pressure on the government to adopt / modify policy which is why I posed the question on why it was worded this way. One could interpret it as being designed to create problems for the government.

Still asking modified questions would probably be interpret the public as supporting government policy. However, at least it would be honest in stating openly that most people in Serbia would prefer splitting Kosovo. At the same time offering three choices would make it clear to Serbians that supporting Kosovo within Serbia as we know it and supporting the division of Kosovo are two different things.

Clear choices - DSS/SRS official policy Kosovo as part of Serbia as province of Serbia with autonomy.
SNS/SPS to split Kosovo, but neither are prepared to state this clearly
LDP to recognise Kosovo and autonomy for majority Serbian areas in Kosovo
DS - who knows right now, probably to split Kosovo, but they used to be closer to the previous position of Kosovo as part of Serbia.

Its all pretty stupid (Kosovo or EU), we should be being asked if we want to join the EU and what kind of EU we want (that debate hasn't even begun). And we should asked about all these options for Kosovo separately.

trizo

pre 11 godina

Why are you Albanians so sure that it's only a 'dream' and that'll never happen?

Surely the Turks were thinking the same thing about us Serbs before we retook what was rightfully ours :)

sj

pre 11 godina

This is the longer term approach by the new government and that is to completly turn the Serbian people away from the EU and so far its done a marvellous job in such a short time. The idea is to keep the Kosvo status quo and keep the pressure pot cooking and keeping talking while at the same time lead them to nothing and no conclusions.

This is the last hope that our little Albanians friends have left – the EU. Once that mask is removed these poor deluded people will start tearing at each others throats because it will be a very cold day in hell before Brussels lets Kosovo join anything let alone the EU and they certainly will not allow their friends from roaming the EU looking for work. Or maybe they might bring industry to Pristina????

lavi

pre 11 godina

That actually makes sense HOWEVER 97% of people in Kosovo will vote for independence if they were too vote BUT it is not needed since they already are INDEPENDENT..
57% of people would also vote for Bosnia and Croatia instead of the EU.
Correct, just saying what ever the Serbians say about Kosovo is no longer taken by anyone because they are done its been finished ...
they have no authority in KOSOVO at ALL
so move on live life and stop DREAMING time to get with reality KOSOVO is a country and PRISHTINA is the capital DONE!

luciano

pre 11 godina

Am I correct in guessing that 27% of people in Serbia are non Serbs such as Hungarians and other minorities?If the poll/sample included all citizens of Serbia whether Serb or not then Serbs are actually closer to 100% in favor of not recognizing Kosovo.

Bob

pre 11 godina

The only way Serbia will get Kosovo back is by repopulating it with Serbs. The government needs to invest in a massive population expansion.

The Albanians have been expanding their population and that has been the primary cause of their take over of the Serbian province. Another major factor had been the lack of resources in Albania; the population has had to spread to neighbouring areas to acquire the means to live.

luciano

pre 11 godina

I respect the intelligence of the Serb people and most understand that Serbia will never become a full memeber of the EU without first recognizing Kosovo as a sovereign nation. However, it is the democratic right of the Serb people to choose to keep the deed to Kosovo if this is more important to them than EU membership.The EU will have to foot the bill for Kosovo for the next 100 years because we all know that no matter how much money Serbia would give the Albanians living there they will never be satisfied. I do think that the young people of Serbia would prefer to live in the EU rather than in Kosovo so we will have to wait and see how attitudes and feelings evolve.There may come a time when no Serb would even wanna live in Kosovo as opposed to living in Belgrade.

SCP UK

pre 11 godina

LOL the albanian trolls are out again in force, spewing crap over the internet, they never were good at fighting in real life.

bganon, there is no point in asking Serbia people about choosing Kosovo and the EU, people shouldn't be misled into thinking that this is a possible scenario because it isn't. The Serbian people need to be asked a serious question with serious options, the only ones being whether they are willing to remain defiant over Kosovo or if they want to sell themselves to the EU, and this poll gives a good indication as the what people want. As a side point I would imagine that a reasonable proportion of those wanting to choose the EU would possibly be from ethnic minorities who don't share such a passion for Kosovo, obviously not all, there will be some Serbs who insanely want the EU instead which is sad, but that point should be considered.

Toronto Man

pre 11 godina

This is a completely useless question or data point. The reality is that Kosovo is functionally no longer Serbia. Is the question would you like to continue the current status quo?

Commentator

pre 11 godina

A hollow statement. Bring a real referendum, just as Nikolic promised and let's see where the priorities really are. "Strangely" nobody calls for a referendum.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Think about it, no third option was offered such as Kosovo and Europe (realistic or not, its a relevant question to ask). Neither was the splitting of Kosovo offered as an option, which would also have been very interesting and relevant.
(bganon, 8 November 2012 21:55)

Ah but when has our government ever thought beyond black or white? Ask the question if we'd support EU membership with at least control over the north and we'd probably get 70% or so. Ask if we want EU with a status neutral Kosovo and we'd have 80%. Ask if it meant keeping Kosovo and absorbing the Albanians back into Serbia and we'd probably have a negative percent :) Though at the way the EU is going, I'm certainly happy to vote for anything as long as its the option against EU membership right now.

By the way has anybody asked Albania the same question?
(Avni, 8 November 2012 22:17)

LOL most Albanians would vote for the EU. No one except the removed diaspora thinks anything good can come from annexation of that den of corruption and crime :)

toni

pre 11 godina

All due respect about the survey and the people who conducted. . I think the questions is wrong instead should have been: Kosovo is gone FOREVER. Do we still want Europe and prosper or stay and live up with dreams?

WtH

pre 11 godina

So come on, choose Kosovo!
Ah, it´s gone, sorry, no choice to be made...
Repeating the Kosovo question 10 times a day is a lame excuse. Open your eyes!

Mark

pre 11 godina

Poll: 59% would choose Kosovo over EU

WOULD:(expressing the conditional mood) Indicating the consequence of an imagined event or situation.

The imagined event or situation:Serbs are in charge of deciding if Kosovo belongs to Serbia or not.lol

bganon

pre 11 godina

Interesting poll, but even more interesting is to wonder who commissioned it - B92 alone or not, and why the question was offered up in this way.

Think about it, no third option was offered such as Kosovo and Europe (realistic or not, its a relevant question to ask). Neither was the splitting of Kosovo offered as an option, which would also have been very interesting and relevant.

I'd say the results of this poll doesn't make it easy for the current government.

a New Day

pre 11 godina

Ask Serbs to choose between something possible and something totally impossible and they choose the one that they can never have. Interesting.

Hank the Tank

pre 11 godina

Poll: 59% would choose Kosovo over EU.

To bad this is not the way politicians in Serbia voted. How about if you listen to your people for once?

Bryan

pre 11 godina

Excellent! 59% will continue to grow......Bye Bye EU...........Nedamo Kosovo! Kosovo Je Srce Srbije! Kosovo is and always will be the heart of Serbia....The occupiers (US, Germany, France and England and the rest of the EU) will leave with their tails in between their legs..

Hank the Tank

pre 11 godina

Poll: 59% would choose Kosovo over EU.

To bad this is not the way politicians in Serbia voted. How about if you listen to your people for once?

Bryan

pre 11 godina

Excellent! 59% will continue to grow......Bye Bye EU...........Nedamo Kosovo! Kosovo Je Srce Srbije! Kosovo is and always will be the heart of Serbia....The occupiers (US, Germany, France and England and the rest of the EU) will leave with their tails in between their legs..

a New Day

pre 11 godina

Ask Serbs to choose between something possible and something totally impossible and they choose the one that they can never have. Interesting.

toni

pre 11 godina

All due respect about the survey and the people who conducted. . I think the questions is wrong instead should have been: Kosovo is gone FOREVER. Do we still want Europe and prosper or stay and live up with dreams?

WtH

pre 11 godina

So come on, choose Kosovo!
Ah, it´s gone, sorry, no choice to be made...
Repeating the Kosovo question 10 times a day is a lame excuse. Open your eyes!

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Think about it, no third option was offered such as Kosovo and Europe (realistic or not, its a relevant question to ask). Neither was the splitting of Kosovo offered as an option, which would also have been very interesting and relevant.
(bganon, 8 November 2012 21:55)

Ah but when has our government ever thought beyond black or white? Ask the question if we'd support EU membership with at least control over the north and we'd probably get 70% or so. Ask if we want EU with a status neutral Kosovo and we'd have 80%. Ask if it meant keeping Kosovo and absorbing the Albanians back into Serbia and we'd probably have a negative percent :) Though at the way the EU is going, I'm certainly happy to vote for anything as long as its the option against EU membership right now.

By the way has anybody asked Albania the same question?
(Avni, 8 November 2012 22:17)

LOL most Albanians would vote for the EU. No one except the removed diaspora thinks anything good can come from annexation of that den of corruption and crime :)

sj

pre 11 godina

its sweet serbs think they can still have kosova
(Nikolle, 9 November 2012 09:30)
It’s just as sweet knowing that Kosovo is going nowhere and unemployment is anywhere between 70% to 80%, of course officially it only 45%, and life is so miserable for those Albanians. It’s even sweeter knowing that Serbian police daily return to Kosovo Albanians who sneek into Serbia proper trying to look for work. Back to prison Kosova.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

100% of Kosovar Albanians don't want nothing at all to do with Serbia.
(Mendo, 9 November 2012 11:19)
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Even though you used a double negative, assuming you don't want anything to do with Serbia, why do so many visit this Serbian site?

bganon

pre 11 godina

Interesting poll, but even more interesting is to wonder who commissioned it - B92 alone or not, and why the question was offered up in this way.

Think about it, no third option was offered such as Kosovo and Europe (realistic or not, its a relevant question to ask). Neither was the splitting of Kosovo offered as an option, which would also have been very interesting and relevant.

I'd say the results of this poll doesn't make it easy for the current government.

Mark

pre 11 godina

Poll: 59% would choose Kosovo over EU

WOULD:(expressing the conditional mood) Indicating the consequence of an imagined event or situation.

The imagined event or situation:Serbs are in charge of deciding if Kosovo belongs to Serbia or not.lol

Toronto Man

pre 11 godina

This is a completely useless question or data point. The reality is that Kosovo is functionally no longer Serbia. Is the question would you like to continue the current status quo?

trizo

pre 11 godina

Why are you Albanians so sure that it's only a 'dream' and that'll never happen?

Surely the Turks were thinking the same thing about us Serbs before we retook what was rightfully ours :)

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

Avni, the people of Kosovo are Serbs. We have spoken.
(Luka, 8 November 2012 23:50)
Luka have you done math in school? If not please let me teach you that 95% is larger than 5%.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Yes and I want Beyonce as my girlfriend ...
(Demi, 8 November 2012 23:53)
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Oh, I thought you were a girl, or perhaps you are and just like people of the same gender?

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Haitian:

we will see. I think you Albanians are celebrating too early. Serbia´s position is not that bad as your k-albanian yellow-press is telling you, actually.

not only is there still something called "international law", that means legally KiM is serbian territory temporarily under foreign control. this also means that as soon the chance is near, Serbia can restore control over what is serbian anyway. and the circumstances will change, that´s something you don´t wanna believe but it is a reality that will haunt you sooner or later.
and furthermore, your naive selfconfidence is purely based on US-american support. without it you´re a fart in the wind. I´m sorry, but that´s simply the way it is. and deep inside, you know that.

so, given that the US infrastructure in many of it´s area´s is only rated as "C" (average), and in most of them as "D" (sufficient) or even "D minus", if we can believe the US association of engineers - the US will sooner or later be forced to spend their money for domestic purposes, which means less military and less support for dependent beggars like you.
thank god, "Sandy" has shown the US that they have to care for themselves again, and after all that´s not that bad, since you won´t have to fear anything - Serbia will take care of you.

but hey, let´s give them americans a little more time, you know they are already a divided nation, but with ongoing economic problems... - all in its propper time, of course.

and yours is it to sit and wait.

SCP UK

pre 11 godina

LOL the albanian trolls are out again in force, spewing crap over the internet, they never were good at fighting in real life.

bganon, there is no point in asking Serbia people about choosing Kosovo and the EU, people shouldn't be misled into thinking that this is a possible scenario because it isn't. The Serbian people need to be asked a serious question with serious options, the only ones being whether they are willing to remain defiant over Kosovo or if they want to sell themselves to the EU, and this poll gives a good indication as the what people want. As a side point I would imagine that a reasonable proportion of those wanting to choose the EU would possibly be from ethnic minorities who don't share such a passion for Kosovo, obviously not all, there will be some Serbs who insanely want the EU instead which is sad, but that point should be considered.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

The question should be "Do you want to join the EU or not?" as Kosovo isn't an option because regardless of whether Serbia joins the EU or not, Serbia won't have Kosovo either way.

Well I suppose there is that third option wich Ari Gold is a fan of (despite the fact it wouldn't affect him), the hypothetical proposed Russian dominated organisation (therefore destined to fail like always) "Eurasian Union" where everyone enjoys civil liberties, democracy, a good standard of life without living in fear and without being spied upon/ monitored 24/7 by secret police. If Serbia were to join this propsed paradise on earth, they could all pretend that Kosovo is apart of Serbia :)

Jovan

pre 11 godina

my dear k-albanian friend Nikole, what you are so eagerly displaying here... that´s exactly what I meant when I was addressing the naive albanian "selfconfidence"...

all you can contribute is this poor attempt to show some kind of "humour", but that humour will cost you dearly, and I don´t worry at all...

as far as you don´t change your very nature and stand on your own legs - what there is very little perspective for, actually - your future will be a living somewhere in the albanian mountains, and when the sun starts expanding.... =) I don´t believe that you will make it up to that very distant future at all.

you will fail much earlier. remember nikole, who laughs last laughs loudest.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

A hollow statement. Bring a real referendum, just as Nikolic promised and let's see where the priorities really are. "Strangely" nobody calls for a referendum.

Simot

pre 11 godina

Ha if albania enters the EU then in 50 to 100 years every EU country will have it's own little kosovo that's being seperated by people who were originally received as guests.

Over by dead body, Albania.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

" who laughs last laughs loudest."

is it? who's to say the last laugh hasn't happened already? i mean, i am continually reminded here that Serbs waited 500 years last time 'round (a very odd thing to write indeed), if its another 500 years, you won't be alive to see it. so enjoy writing about it. you know the saying 'those that can do, those that can't talk about it'...guess which category you fall under? greetings from Prishtina, 13 years of 'occupation' apparently :-) here's to another 500 more

Jovan

pre 11 godina

you k-albanians sound like a broken record, you´re always coming up with the same wishful thinking actually.

well, let´s see. Haitian, your predictions are amusing me, at best. not only because they´re so naive, but also because of their shortsightedness. but if you believe what your yellow-press is feeding you with, well you´ll get your reality-check sooner than you think.

but, one thing I know for sure - now, today you´re a big-mouth, but when the Serbs come back, you´ll be what you´re in reality: a small man. but probably you will be gone, run away to the albanian mountains...

as for nikole: your broken record-babbling is funny as well! your stubborn remarks about 500 years made me smile though... you know, we live in a globalized world, changes are coming faster than you think... and I think you´ll be suprised how fast.

why don´t you amuse us with your so desperately needed "illyrian descent"? desperately needed for your self-conscience of course... not that there is something to it in reality.

but you´re free to dream, until your kosovaaah-dream is over.

oh and, ...don´t you think that Serbia relies solely on Russia... we´re siding with the brics-countries, you know..? they are on the rise...your "friends", the "one and only global superpower" are slowly but surely getting weaker. I really don´t know why it is so hard for you to understand that! or do you just ignore it? =)

well, the dawn will come, even for you. and the last laugh will be ours. ;)

Bob

pre 11 godina

The only way Serbia will get Kosovo back is by repopulating it with Serbs. The government needs to invest in a massive population expansion.

The Albanians have been expanding their population and that has been the primary cause of their take over of the Serbian province. Another major factor had been the lack of resources in Albania; the population has had to spread to neighbouring areas to acquire the means to live.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

I do not know of a SINGLE Albanian who has sneaked into the workers paradise of Serbia to look for work sj, not when Serbs in Serbia can't find work themselves. Greetings from Prishtina, no Serbia over here :-)

Haitian

pre 11 godina

(Jovan, 9 November 2012 18:36)

And you over estimate how much BRICS value Serbia, only Russia is the one which does stuff for Serbia. I'm just guessing which BRIC will fall down from that mighty BRIC Wall first. I think it will Brazil or South Africa first, they'll eventually recognize Kosova, then India will follow. Then once most of the world recognizes Kosova, China will too. Kosova only needs four more recognitions before it can take Serbia's phrase "the majority of the world". Not even Russia supports Serbia that much, especially over Kosova. Russia is opposing Kosova for it's own reasons, it wants to have a proxy dispute with the West to try and prove that it is a superpower again, to try and show the world that Russia is important. But before you know it, Russia will want something from the West and the West will have it's price and Russia will sell out on Serbia.

Also the US isn't Kosova's only friend, we have friends all over Europe, we have rich friends in the Persian Gulf, rich friends in the far east of Asia, Australia, Canada and rising stars and regional powers in Africa. And before you know it, we'll be taking Serbia's friends from you. It is only a matter of time before we start joining organisations, we'll have enough votes in organizations where Russia can't veto us ;)


Serbia will not try and take control over Kosova again, they'd be stupid to, shooting their own feet; not even Nikolic is that stupid, he even says he isn't President here!

luciano

pre 11 godina

Am I correct in guessing that 27% of people in Serbia are non Serbs such as Hungarians and other minorities?If the poll/sample included all citizens of Serbia whether Serb or not then Serbs are actually closer to 100% in favor of not recognizing Kosovo.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Again, people of Kosovo decide what happens to Kosovo. By the way has anybody asked Albania the same question?"
(Avni, 8 November 2012 22:17)

The same question? Like asking Albanians: "Would you prefer to create a common state with Kosovo, or would you prefer that Albania becomes an EU-country?"

I'm sure Albanians (in Albania) would have chosen EU, with 70% or more.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"all in its propper time, of course."

well, the sun is estimated to expand into a red giant in the next 5 billion years so don't worry, you have plenty of time.

Haitian

pre 11 godina

@ Jovan How under international law is Kosova legally apart of Serbia? Kosova was only to be a soveriegn part of Yugoslavia whilst under international rule whilst Kosova's final status is established per 1244, 1244 was not final on Kosova's status. Kosova decided that our final status should be as independent and not Serbian, this is not prohibited by 1244. This is why UNMIK handed over their powers to Kosova after we delcared independence, the end of international rule (apart from that one lonely UNMIK dude in North Mitrovica). Also 1244 doesn't say that Serbia's approval is required. Everything we did was legal. No laws were broken. Even Serbia knows this, this is why they have shut up about 1244 & start going on about their constitution instead.

Also I would love to see Serbia attempt to "restore control" south of the Ibar river.

And I'm not bothered what you have to say about Kosova's self confidence being based on the US, as Serbia's is based on Russia. Also the entire Balkans relies on Western hand outs and that is not good enough for Serbia as Serbia requires Russian, Chinese and IMF loans to survive on top of all the money the West throws at Serbia. So there is no chance in hell that Serbia would be able to care for Kosova. We saw how Serbia cared for Kosova in the 90s. We now look after ourselves thank you very much. People keep raving about the South Stream, but the income from that won't even cover the interests of your debts. So good luck with that!

Hank the Tank

pre 11 godina

Serbs control the north and their churches while EULEX is left to deal with 1,7 million unemployed albanian organ harvesters. It couldn't be better for the serbs. Serbs control what they need to control.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Nikole: don´t you worry about Russia, my dear k-albanian friend... even if they had only half of todays population it would still be more than enough... you seem to misinterprete something here...

as if it was about population numbers in regard to Russia... =)

as for Haitian, who is quite generously mentioning "friends" in europe, asia and so on...

well, let´s see how many of them will stay friends in the future!

we all know that you must talk like that, there is nothing else you can do. otherwise you would have to admit that you´re only us-puppets...

and believing that Brasil, South Africa ( who just joined the BRICS ) or India would "recognize" a black hole on Serbia´s territory as a "state"... well, dream on.

but my very best laugh I had when I saw icj addressing me again... gee, you still believe you have anything to say? you, who was babbling about UNSCR 1244 not securing Serbia´s territorial integrity, and afterwards when I even had shown him where it is clearly stated he just stayed quiet!
and here he dares to open his mouth again, oohaaa! =)

you Albanians are a funny species, actually. like one of your own historians ( I think it was Mr.Vebiu ) has put it, you want to live in a dream-world, since in reality you have nothing to be proud of. I think he´s right.

bganon

pre 11 godina

Balkan Anthropologist true enough about the government. But this poll wasn't set by the government (we can be sure of that!). But polls like this can help put pressure on the government to adopt / modify policy which is why I posed the question on why it was worded this way. One could interpret it as being designed to create problems for the government.

Still asking modified questions would probably be interpret the public as supporting government policy. However, at least it would be honest in stating openly that most people in Serbia would prefer splitting Kosovo. At the same time offering three choices would make it clear to Serbians that supporting Kosovo within Serbia as we know it and supporting the division of Kosovo are two different things.

Clear choices - DSS/SRS official policy Kosovo as part of Serbia as province of Serbia with autonomy.
SNS/SPS to split Kosovo, but neither are prepared to state this clearly
LDP to recognise Kosovo and autonomy for majority Serbian areas in Kosovo
DS - who knows right now, probably to split Kosovo, but they used to be closer to the previous position of Kosovo as part of Serbia.

Its all pretty stupid (Kosovo or EU), we should be being asked if we want to join the EU and what kind of EU we want (that debate hasn't even begun). And we should asked about all these options for Kosovo separately.

sj

pre 11 godina

This is the longer term approach by the new government and that is to completly turn the Serbian people away from the EU and so far its done a marvellous job in such a short time. The idea is to keep the Kosvo status quo and keep the pressure pot cooking and keeping talking while at the same time lead them to nothing and no conclusions.

This is the last hope that our little Albanians friends have left – the EU. Once that mask is removed these poor deluded people will start tearing at each others throats because it will be a very cold day in hell before Brussels lets Kosovo join anything let alone the EU and they certainly will not allow their friends from roaming the EU looking for work. Or maybe they might bring industry to Pristina????

Peggy

pre 11 godina

==…==
On what evidence do you base this on?
(Peggy, 10 November 2012 01:08)

I guess he/she should also have some Malaysian fried like sj's (Malaysians know a lot of secret stuff about global affairs)
(icj1, 10 November 2012 17:41)
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If Malaysians made that comment I would ask them but since they didn't I asked the person who did.
So I am still waiting for the answer from the person who did. If you wish to answer on their behalf then do so but please make it an intelligent answer otherwise let the person making a claim explain that claim.
Why do you jump in when nobody asked you anyway?
You know the old saying 'fools rush in...'.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

It’s even sweeter knowing that Serbian police daily return to Kosovo Albanians who sneek into Serbia proper trying to look for work. Back to prison Kosova.
(sj, 9 November 2012 11:11)

I guess that Kosovars love to be in Prison Kosova vs Prison Serbia.
(icj1, 10 November 2012 04:28)
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Then why do they try to sneak into Serbia?
icj1, it amazes me how you come here day after day and make a fool of yourself so willingly.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"sk if it meant keeping Kosovo and absorbing the Albanians back into Serbia and we'd probably have a negative percent :)"

why? don't you people know that Kosova comes with those 2 million Albanians :-) ?

its sweet serbs think they can still have kosova

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"This is followed by the opposition Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS) with 65 and 24 percent respectively - despite the fact that this party is considered to be among the strongest opponents of EU integrations."

Interesting. So 24% of the voters of the Anti-EU party DSS even prefer Europe over Kosovo, while in the currently ruling pro-EU parties the number is lower.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

And you over estimate how much BRICS value Serbia, only Russia is the one which does stuff for Serbia. I'm just guessing which BRIC will fall down from that mighty BRIC Wall first. I think it will Brazil or South Africa first, they'll eventually recognize Kosova, then India will follow.
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On what evidence do you base this on?

icj1

pre 11 godina

It’s just as sweet knowing that Kosovo is going nowhere and unemployment is anywhere between 70% to 80%, of course officially it only 45%, and life is so miserable for those Albanians.
(sj, 9 November 2012 11:11)

Even though I always defer to you on these matters since you are the CE of the B92 forums, this time I can't because you are making Kosovo look much better than what it actually is. According to my Malaysian friend (and as we know people from Malaysia have access to information that nobody else has), the unemployment in Kosovo is anywhere between 134,72% to 146,98%
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It’s even sweeter knowing that Serbian police daily return to Kosovo Albanians who sneek into Serbia proper trying to look for work. Back to prison Kosova.
(sj, 9 November 2012 11:11)

I guess that Kosovars love to be in Prison Kosova vs Prison Serbia.

luciano

pre 11 godina

I respect the intelligence of the Serb people and most understand that Serbia will never become a full memeber of the EU without first recognizing Kosovo as a sovereign nation. However, it is the democratic right of the Serb people to choose to keep the deed to Kosovo if this is more important to them than EU membership.The EU will have to foot the bill for Kosovo for the next 100 years because we all know that no matter how much money Serbia would give the Albanians living there they will never be satisfied. I do think that the young people of Serbia would prefer to live in the EU rather than in Kosovo so we will have to wait and see how attitudes and feelings evolve.There may come a time when no Serb would even wanna live in Kosovo as opposed to living in Belgrade.

lavi

pre 11 godina

That actually makes sense HOWEVER 97% of people in Kosovo will vote for independence if they were too vote BUT it is not needed since they already are INDEPENDENT..
57% of people would also vote for Bosnia and Croatia instead of the EU.
Correct, just saying what ever the Serbians say about Kosovo is no longer taken by anyone because they are done its been finished ...
they have no authority in KOSOVO at ALL
so move on live life and stop DREAMING time to get with reality KOSOVO is a country and PRISHTINA is the capital DONE!

nik

pre 11 godina

bganon:splitting of Kosovo offered as an option, which would also have been very interesting and relevant.

Absolutly right... if the year was 1988. Than such a decision would have made Serbs and Albanians strategic allies! But what was easily doable yesterday is imposibility today. And what is more importent, what is feasilbe today may become omposible tomorrow.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Think about it, no third option was offered such as Kosovo and Europe (realistic or not, its a relevant question to ask). Neither was the splitting of Kosovo offered as an option, which would also have been very interesting and relevant. "
(bganon, 8 November 2012 21:55)

More interesting would have been the question: EU integration or closer ties with Russia and no EU. I wonder what the results would have been - especially amongst the few DSS supporters :)

icj1

pre 11 godina

oh and, ...don´t you think that Serbia relies solely on Russia... we´re siding with the brics-countries, you know..? they are on the rise...
(Jovan, 9 November 2012 18:36)

Of course, if we assume that BRICS includes Russia and that "rise" means declining population by the millions in one decade like Russia does, then, yes, you are correct...

Jovan

pre 11 godina

well, my dear k-albanian friend, ...indeed, there is some severe confusion in what you´re presenting us here...

well, I won´t deepen it further, since it seems clear that you are either deliberately writing something false, or you just don´t know what you´re babbling about.

but that wouldn´t be much of a surprise either. I´m afraid UNSCR 1244 is very clear on this, and if you really believe what your yellow-press is telling you, my dear, ...then you can´t be helped.

the only thing that is astonishing in my eyes in regard to you Albanians ...is the fact that you are, completely ignorant to basic facts, claiming things that are either not true or even not to be taken serious!

despite the quite clear text of UNSCR 1244 you are claiming its a "dark page" for Serbia??? honestly,are you nuts?

...and despite your fabulous inability to come up with real, and I mean serious and modern scientific sources that claim the illyrian descent of Albanians, you are stubbornly clinging to that myth of the german romanticism of over a hundred years ago...

what I am always asking myself when I read your wishful thinking - don´t you feel ashamed actually? I mean, writing such a poor nonsense here, ...it doesn´t make you Albanians look like you´re a proud people, you know?

Reader

pre 11 godina

I would really like that a referendum with that question be held in Serbia. The face of Dacic saying 'and now what' would be priceless. But they know it, so this type of question appears only on B92.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

How do you know the person who made the comment is not a Malaysian ?! By reading the excellent posts of the CE of the B92 forums sj, it appears that Malaysians are very active and knowledgable about the Kosovo/Serbia affairs :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 12 November 2012 00:58)
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Seriously?
Is this your reply? Do you honestly think that what you write is intelligent in any way?
I guess every site must have their fool.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Too bad that is not even a choice.

First ALL of Kosovo is long gone, even if Serbia wants Kosovo, 95% of Kosovo's population DOES NOT WANT Serbia.

Second, Serbia wants EU, but does the EU want Serbia. After Serbia meets certain conditions and many reforms and further concessions are made by Serbia the EU MIGHT accept Serbia into the EU.

So you see, both of these choices: Kosovo or EU are NOT up to Serbia regardless of what lies, myths, dreams and or fantasies the Serbian government is trying to selling to it's population.

icj1

pre 11 godina

And you over estimate how much BRICS value Serbia, only Russia is the one which does stuff for Serbia. I'm just guessing which BRIC will fall down from that mighty BRIC Wall first. I think it will Brazil or South Africa first, they'll eventually recognize Kosova, then India will follow.
===…==
On what evidence do you base this on?
(Peggy, 10 November 2012 01:08)

I guess he/she should also have some Malaysian fried like sj's (Malaysians know a lot of secret stuff about global affairs)

Skifteri

pre 11 godina

Oh, I thought you were a girl, or perhaps you are and just like people of the same gender?
(Zoran, 9 November 2012 10:14)
_____________________________

Before arriving to those silly conclusions, maybe you should consider what Demi(not to be confused with western female celebrities) means in Albanian. You should consider asking serbs south of ibar, they probably have been learning some Shqip.

icj1

pre 11 godina

If Malaysians made that comment I would ask them but since they didn't I asked the person who did.
(Peggy, 11 November 2012 03:34)

How do you know the person who made the comment is not a Malaysian ?! By reading the excellent posts of the CE of the B92 forums sj, it appears that Malaysians are very active and knowledgable about the Kosovo/Serbia affairs :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 11 godina

but my very best laugh I had when I saw icj addressing me again... gee, you still believe you have anything to say? you, who was babbling about UNSCR 1244 not securing Serbia´s territorial integrity, and afterwards when I even had shown him where it is clearly stated he just stayed quiet!
(Jovan, 11 November 2012 02:45)

There must be some confusion hear, dear. It was not me but Serbia which was babbling that in adopting 1244 the UNSC wrote one of the darkest pages
of its history being instrumental in a de facto dismemberment of a
sovereign European State. Sorry, you have to convince Serbia, not me that you are correct :)

Anyway, whether you convince Serbia to agree with you or not, it does not change the fact that Kosovo's Declaration of Independence is in accordance with 1244 thanks to Vuk who worked tiressly to have that clarified.

icj1

pre 11 godina

despite the quite clear text of UNSCR 1244 you are claiming its a "dark page" for Serbia??? honestly,are you nuts?
(Jovan, 13 November 2012 11:49)

Sorry, again, you are confusing me with somebody else, who must be nuts. I did not say that UNSCR1244 is a "dark page" for Serbia. What I said is that, ***ACCORDING TO*** Serbia’s babbling, in adopting 1244 the UNSC wrote one of the darkest pages of its history being instrumental in the de facto dismemberment of a sovereign European State. If you don’t agree with that, no need to argue with me – I’m just the messenger of Serbia’s position; go and convince Serbia.

And, yes, you are correct that 1244 is very clear; Kosovo’s Declaration of Independence is in accordance with it; again thanks to Vuk who tirelessly worked to make that clear.

icj1

pre 11 godina

How do you know the person who made the comment is not a Malaysian ?! By reading the excellent posts of the CE of the B92 forums sj, it appears that Malaysians are very active and knowledgable about the Kosovo/Serbia affairs :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 12 November 2012 00:58)
===…==
Seriously?
Is this your reply? Do you honestly think that what you write is intelligent in any way?
(Peggy, 13 November 2012 21:02)

Of course that was very intelligent. Our Malaysian-based friend, the CE of the 92 forums sj, has demonstrated over and over again that he/she knows Serbia, Kosovo and every other country much better than anybody living in those countries. Every intelligent person has to recognize that. Don't you agree ?!

Bryan

pre 11 godina

Excellent! 59% will continue to grow......Bye Bye EU...........Nedamo Kosovo! Kosovo Je Srce Srbije! Kosovo is and always will be the heart of Serbia....The occupiers (US, Germany, France and England and the rest of the EU) will leave with their tails in between their legs..

toni

pre 11 godina

All due respect about the survey and the people who conducted. . I think the questions is wrong instead should have been: Kosovo is gone FOREVER. Do we still want Europe and prosper or stay and live up with dreams?

a New Day

pre 11 godina

Ask Serbs to choose between something possible and something totally impossible and they choose the one that they can never have. Interesting.

WtH

pre 11 godina

So come on, choose Kosovo!
Ah, it´s gone, sorry, no choice to be made...
Repeating the Kosovo question 10 times a day is a lame excuse. Open your eyes!

Toronto Man

pre 11 godina

This is a completely useless question or data point. The reality is that Kosovo is functionally no longer Serbia. Is the question would you like to continue the current status quo?

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

I do not know of a SINGLE Albanian who has sneaked into the workers paradise of Serbia to look for work sj, not when Serbs in Serbia can't find work themselves. Greetings from Prishtina, no Serbia over here :-)

Mark

pre 11 godina

Poll: 59% would choose Kosovo over EU

WOULD:(expressing the conditional mood) Indicating the consequence of an imagined event or situation.

The imagined event or situation:Serbs are in charge of deciding if Kosovo belongs to Serbia or not.lol

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Too bad that is not even a choice.

First ALL of Kosovo is long gone, even if Serbia wants Kosovo, 95% of Kosovo's population DOES NOT WANT Serbia.

Second, Serbia wants EU, but does the EU want Serbia. After Serbia meets certain conditions and many reforms and further concessions are made by Serbia the EU MIGHT accept Serbia into the EU.

So you see, both of these choices: Kosovo or EU are NOT up to Serbia regardless of what lies, myths, dreams and or fantasies the Serbian government is trying to selling to it's population.

lavi

pre 11 godina

That actually makes sense HOWEVER 97% of people in Kosovo will vote for independence if they were too vote BUT it is not needed since they already are INDEPENDENT..
57% of people would also vote for Bosnia and Croatia instead of the EU.
Correct, just saying what ever the Serbians say about Kosovo is no longer taken by anyone because they are done its been finished ...
they have no authority in KOSOVO at ALL
so move on live life and stop DREAMING time to get with reality KOSOVO is a country and PRISHTINA is the capital DONE!

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"sk if it meant keeping Kosovo and absorbing the Albanians back into Serbia and we'd probably have a negative percent :)"

why? don't you people know that Kosova comes with those 2 million Albanians :-) ?

its sweet serbs think they can still have kosova

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

Avni, the people of Kosovo are Serbs. We have spoken.
(Luka, 8 November 2012 23:50)
Luka have you done math in school? If not please let me teach you that 95% is larger than 5%.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Yes and I want Beyonce as my girlfriend ...
(Demi, 8 November 2012 23:53)
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Oh, I thought you were a girl, or perhaps you are and just like people of the same gender?

Hank the Tank

pre 11 godina

Poll: 59% would choose Kosovo over EU.

To bad this is not the way politicians in Serbia voted. How about if you listen to your people for once?

Simot

pre 11 godina

Ha if albania enters the EU then in 50 to 100 years every EU country will have it's own little kosovo that's being seperated by people who were originally received as guests.

Over by dead body, Albania.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"all in its propper time, of course."

well, the sun is estimated to expand into a red giant in the next 5 billion years so don't worry, you have plenty of time.

Haitian

pre 11 godina

@ Jovan How under international law is Kosova legally apart of Serbia? Kosova was only to be a soveriegn part of Yugoslavia whilst under international rule whilst Kosova's final status is established per 1244, 1244 was not final on Kosova's status. Kosova decided that our final status should be as independent and not Serbian, this is not prohibited by 1244. This is why UNMIK handed over their powers to Kosova after we delcared independence, the end of international rule (apart from that one lonely UNMIK dude in North Mitrovica). Also 1244 doesn't say that Serbia's approval is required. Everything we did was legal. No laws were broken. Even Serbia knows this, this is why they have shut up about 1244 & start going on about their constitution instead.

Also I would love to see Serbia attempt to "restore control" south of the Ibar river.

And I'm not bothered what you have to say about Kosova's self confidence being based on the US, as Serbia's is based on Russia. Also the entire Balkans relies on Western hand outs and that is not good enough for Serbia as Serbia requires Russian, Chinese and IMF loans to survive on top of all the money the West throws at Serbia. So there is no chance in hell that Serbia would be able to care for Kosova. We saw how Serbia cared for Kosova in the 90s. We now look after ourselves thank you very much. People keep raving about the South Stream, but the income from that won't even cover the interests of your debts. So good luck with that!

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

" who laughs last laughs loudest."

is it? who's to say the last laugh hasn't happened already? i mean, i am continually reminded here that Serbs waited 500 years last time 'round (a very odd thing to write indeed), if its another 500 years, you won't be alive to see it. so enjoy writing about it. you know the saying 'those that can do, those that can't talk about it'...guess which category you fall under? greetings from Prishtina, 13 years of 'occupation' apparently :-) here's to another 500 more

Jovan

pre 11 godina

you k-albanians sound like a broken record, you´re always coming up with the same wishful thinking actually.

well, let´s see. Haitian, your predictions are amusing me, at best. not only because they´re so naive, but also because of their shortsightedness. but if you believe what your yellow-press is feeding you with, well you´ll get your reality-check sooner than you think.

but, one thing I know for sure - now, today you´re a big-mouth, but when the Serbs come back, you´ll be what you´re in reality: a small man. but probably you will be gone, run away to the albanian mountains...

as for nikole: your broken record-babbling is funny as well! your stubborn remarks about 500 years made me smile though... you know, we live in a globalized world, changes are coming faster than you think... and I think you´ll be suprised how fast.

why don´t you amuse us with your so desperately needed "illyrian descent"? desperately needed for your self-conscience of course... not that there is something to it in reality.

but you´re free to dream, until your kosovaaah-dream is over.

oh and, ...don´t you think that Serbia relies solely on Russia... we´re siding with the brics-countries, you know..? they are on the rise...your "friends", the "one and only global superpower" are slowly but surely getting weaker. I really don´t know why it is so hard for you to understand that! or do you just ignore it? =)

well, the dawn will come, even for you. and the last laugh will be ours. ;)

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

The question should be "Do you want to join the EU or not?" as Kosovo isn't an option because regardless of whether Serbia joins the EU or not, Serbia won't have Kosovo either way.

Well I suppose there is that third option wich Ari Gold is a fan of (despite the fact it wouldn't affect him), the hypothetical proposed Russian dominated organisation (therefore destined to fail like always) "Eurasian Union" where everyone enjoys civil liberties, democracy, a good standard of life without living in fear and without being spied upon/ monitored 24/7 by secret police. If Serbia were to join this propsed paradise on earth, they could all pretend that Kosovo is apart of Serbia :)

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Haitian:

we will see. I think you Albanians are celebrating too early. Serbia´s position is not that bad as your k-albanian yellow-press is telling you, actually.

not only is there still something called "international law", that means legally KiM is serbian territory temporarily under foreign control. this also means that as soon the chance is near, Serbia can restore control over what is serbian anyway. and the circumstances will change, that´s something you don´t wanna believe but it is a reality that will haunt you sooner or later.
and furthermore, your naive selfconfidence is purely based on US-american support. without it you´re a fart in the wind. I´m sorry, but that´s simply the way it is. and deep inside, you know that.

so, given that the US infrastructure in many of it´s area´s is only rated as "C" (average), and in most of them as "D" (sufficient) or even "D minus", if we can believe the US association of engineers - the US will sooner or later be forced to spend their money for domestic purposes, which means less military and less support for dependent beggars like you.
thank god, "Sandy" has shown the US that they have to care for themselves again, and after all that´s not that bad, since you won´t have to fear anything - Serbia will take care of you.

but hey, let´s give them americans a little more time, you know they are already a divided nation, but with ongoing economic problems... - all in its propper time, of course.

and yours is it to sit and wait.

Hank the Tank

pre 11 godina

Serbs control the north and their churches while EULEX is left to deal with 1,7 million unemployed albanian organ harvesters. It couldn't be better for the serbs. Serbs control what they need to control.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Think about it, no third option was offered such as Kosovo and Europe (realistic or not, its a relevant question to ask). Neither was the splitting of Kosovo offered as an option, which would also have been very interesting and relevant. "
(bganon, 8 November 2012 21:55)

More interesting would have been the question: EU integration or closer ties with Russia and no EU. I wonder what the results would have been - especially amongst the few DSS supporters :)

Haitian

pre 11 godina

(Jovan, 9 November 2012 18:36)

And you over estimate how much BRICS value Serbia, only Russia is the one which does stuff for Serbia. I'm just guessing which BRIC will fall down from that mighty BRIC Wall first. I think it will Brazil or South Africa first, they'll eventually recognize Kosova, then India will follow. Then once most of the world recognizes Kosova, China will too. Kosova only needs four more recognitions before it can take Serbia's phrase "the majority of the world". Not even Russia supports Serbia that much, especially over Kosova. Russia is opposing Kosova for it's own reasons, it wants to have a proxy dispute with the West to try and prove that it is a superpower again, to try and show the world that Russia is important. But before you know it, Russia will want something from the West and the West will have it's price and Russia will sell out on Serbia.

Also the US isn't Kosova's only friend, we have friends all over Europe, we have rich friends in the Persian Gulf, rich friends in the far east of Asia, Australia, Canada and rising stars and regional powers in Africa. And before you know it, we'll be taking Serbia's friends from you. It is only a matter of time before we start joining organisations, we'll have enough votes in organizations where Russia can't veto us ;)


Serbia will not try and take control over Kosova again, they'd be stupid to, shooting their own feet; not even Nikolic is that stupid, he even says he isn't President here!

icj1

pre 11 godina

And you over estimate how much BRICS value Serbia, only Russia is the one which does stuff for Serbia. I'm just guessing which BRIC will fall down from that mighty BRIC Wall first. I think it will Brazil or South Africa first, they'll eventually recognize Kosova, then India will follow.
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On what evidence do you base this on?
(Peggy, 10 November 2012 01:08)

I guess he/she should also have some Malaysian fried like sj's (Malaysians know a lot of secret stuff about global affairs)

bganon

pre 11 godina

Interesting poll, but even more interesting is to wonder who commissioned it - B92 alone or not, and why the question was offered up in this way.

Think about it, no third option was offered such as Kosovo and Europe (realistic or not, its a relevant question to ask). Neither was the splitting of Kosovo offered as an option, which would also have been very interesting and relevant.

I'd say the results of this poll doesn't make it easy for the current government.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

A hollow statement. Bring a real referendum, just as Nikolic promised and let's see where the priorities really are. "Strangely" nobody calls for a referendum.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Again, people of Kosovo decide what happens to Kosovo. By the way has anybody asked Albania the same question?"
(Avni, 8 November 2012 22:17)

The same question? Like asking Albanians: "Would you prefer to create a common state with Kosovo, or would you prefer that Albania becomes an EU-country?"

I'm sure Albanians (in Albania) would have chosen EU, with 70% or more.

sj

pre 11 godina

its sweet serbs think they can still have kosova
(Nikolle, 9 November 2012 09:30)
It’s just as sweet knowing that Kosovo is going nowhere and unemployment is anywhere between 70% to 80%, of course officially it only 45%, and life is so miserable for those Albanians. It’s even sweeter knowing that Serbian police daily return to Kosovo Albanians who sneek into Serbia proper trying to look for work. Back to prison Kosova.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

my dear k-albanian friend Nikole, what you are so eagerly displaying here... that´s exactly what I meant when I was addressing the naive albanian "selfconfidence"...

all you can contribute is this poor attempt to show some kind of "humour", but that humour will cost you dearly, and I don´t worry at all...

as far as you don´t change your very nature and stand on your own legs - what there is very little perspective for, actually - your future will be a living somewhere in the albanian mountains, and when the sun starts expanding.... =) I don´t believe that you will make it up to that very distant future at all.

you will fail much earlier. remember nikole, who laughs last laughs loudest.

Bob

pre 11 godina

The only way Serbia will get Kosovo back is by repopulating it with Serbs. The government needs to invest in a massive population expansion.

The Albanians have been expanding their population and that has been the primary cause of their take over of the Serbian province. Another major factor had been the lack of resources in Albania; the population has had to spread to neighbouring areas to acquire the means to live.

SCP UK

pre 11 godina

LOL the albanian trolls are out again in force, spewing crap over the internet, they never were good at fighting in real life.

bganon, there is no point in asking Serbia people about choosing Kosovo and the EU, people shouldn't be misled into thinking that this is a possible scenario because it isn't. The Serbian people need to be asked a serious question with serious options, the only ones being whether they are willing to remain defiant over Kosovo or if they want to sell themselves to the EU, and this poll gives a good indication as the what people want. As a side point I would imagine that a reasonable proportion of those wanting to choose the EU would possibly be from ethnic minorities who don't share such a passion for Kosovo, obviously not all, there will be some Serbs who insanely want the EU instead which is sad, but that point should be considered.

nik

pre 11 godina

bganon:splitting of Kosovo offered as an option, which would also have been very interesting and relevant.

Absolutly right... if the year was 1988. Than such a decision would have made Serbs and Albanians strategic allies! But what was easily doable yesterday is imposibility today. And what is more importent, what is feasilbe today may become omposible tomorrow.

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"This is followed by the opposition Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS) with 65 and 24 percent respectively - despite the fact that this party is considered to be among the strongest opponents of EU integrations."

Interesting. So 24% of the voters of the Anti-EU party DSS even prefer Europe over Kosovo, while in the currently ruling pro-EU parties the number is lower.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

100% of Kosovar Albanians don't want nothing at all to do with Serbia.
(Mendo, 9 November 2012 11:19)
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Even though you used a double negative, assuming you don't want anything to do with Serbia, why do so many visit this Serbian site?

icj1

pre 11 godina

but my very best laugh I had when I saw icj addressing me again... gee, you still believe you have anything to say? you, who was babbling about UNSCR 1244 not securing Serbia´s territorial integrity, and afterwards when I even had shown him where it is clearly stated he just stayed quiet!
(Jovan, 11 November 2012 02:45)

There must be some confusion hear, dear. It was not me but Serbia which was babbling that in adopting 1244 the UNSC wrote one of the darkest pages
of its history being instrumental in a de facto dismemberment of a
sovereign European State. Sorry, you have to convince Serbia, not me that you are correct :)

Anyway, whether you convince Serbia to agree with you or not, it does not change the fact that Kosovo's Declaration of Independence is in accordance with 1244 thanks to Vuk who worked tiressly to have that clarified.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Think about it, no third option was offered such as Kosovo and Europe (realistic or not, its a relevant question to ask). Neither was the splitting of Kosovo offered as an option, which would also have been very interesting and relevant.
(bganon, 8 November 2012 21:55)

Ah but when has our government ever thought beyond black or white? Ask the question if we'd support EU membership with at least control over the north and we'd probably get 70% or so. Ask if we want EU with a status neutral Kosovo and we'd have 80%. Ask if it meant keeping Kosovo and absorbing the Albanians back into Serbia and we'd probably have a negative percent :) Though at the way the EU is going, I'm certainly happy to vote for anything as long as its the option against EU membership right now.

By the way has anybody asked Albania the same question?
(Avni, 8 November 2012 22:17)

LOL most Albanians would vote for the EU. No one except the removed diaspora thinks anything good can come from annexation of that den of corruption and crime :)

luciano

pre 11 godina

I respect the intelligence of the Serb people and most understand that Serbia will never become a full memeber of the EU without first recognizing Kosovo as a sovereign nation. However, it is the democratic right of the Serb people to choose to keep the deed to Kosovo if this is more important to them than EU membership.The EU will have to foot the bill for Kosovo for the next 100 years because we all know that no matter how much money Serbia would give the Albanians living there they will never be satisfied. I do think that the young people of Serbia would prefer to live in the EU rather than in Kosovo so we will have to wait and see how attitudes and feelings evolve.There may come a time when no Serb would even wanna live in Kosovo as opposed to living in Belgrade.

luciano

pre 11 godina

Am I correct in guessing that 27% of people in Serbia are non Serbs such as Hungarians and other minorities?If the poll/sample included all citizens of Serbia whether Serb or not then Serbs are actually closer to 100% in favor of not recognizing Kosovo.

trizo

pre 11 godina

Why are you Albanians so sure that it's only a 'dream' and that'll never happen?

Surely the Turks were thinking the same thing about us Serbs before we retook what was rightfully ours :)

icj1

pre 11 godina

If Malaysians made that comment I would ask them but since they didn't I asked the person who did.
(Peggy, 11 November 2012 03:34)

How do you know the person who made the comment is not a Malaysian ?! By reading the excellent posts of the CE of the B92 forums sj, it appears that Malaysians are very active and knowledgable about the Kosovo/Serbia affairs :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

bganon

pre 11 godina

Balkan Anthropologist true enough about the government. But this poll wasn't set by the government (we can be sure of that!). But polls like this can help put pressure on the government to adopt / modify policy which is why I posed the question on why it was worded this way. One could interpret it as being designed to create problems for the government.

Still asking modified questions would probably be interpret the public as supporting government policy. However, at least it would be honest in stating openly that most people in Serbia would prefer splitting Kosovo. At the same time offering three choices would make it clear to Serbians that supporting Kosovo within Serbia as we know it and supporting the division of Kosovo are two different things.

Clear choices - DSS/SRS official policy Kosovo as part of Serbia as province of Serbia with autonomy.
SNS/SPS to split Kosovo, but neither are prepared to state this clearly
LDP to recognise Kosovo and autonomy for majority Serbian areas in Kosovo
DS - who knows right now, probably to split Kosovo, but they used to be closer to the previous position of Kosovo as part of Serbia.

Its all pretty stupid (Kosovo or EU), we should be being asked if we want to join the EU and what kind of EU we want (that debate hasn't even begun). And we should asked about all these options for Kosovo separately.

icj1

pre 11 godina

oh and, ...don´t you think that Serbia relies solely on Russia... we´re siding with the brics-countries, you know..? they are on the rise...
(Jovan, 9 November 2012 18:36)

Of course, if we assume that BRICS includes Russia and that "rise" means declining population by the millions in one decade like Russia does, then, yes, you are correct...

icj1

pre 11 godina

It’s just as sweet knowing that Kosovo is going nowhere and unemployment is anywhere between 70% to 80%, of course officially it only 45%, and life is so miserable for those Albanians.
(sj, 9 November 2012 11:11)

Even though I always defer to you on these matters since you are the CE of the B92 forums, this time I can't because you are making Kosovo look much better than what it actually is. According to my Malaysian friend (and as we know people from Malaysia have access to information that nobody else has), the unemployment in Kosovo is anywhere between 134,72% to 146,98%
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It’s even sweeter knowing that Serbian police daily return to Kosovo Albanians who sneek into Serbia proper trying to look for work. Back to prison Kosova.
(sj, 9 November 2012 11:11)

I guess that Kosovars love to be in Prison Kosova vs Prison Serbia.

Skifteri

pre 11 godina

Oh, I thought you were a girl, or perhaps you are and just like people of the same gender?
(Zoran, 9 November 2012 10:14)
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Before arriving to those silly conclusions, maybe you should consider what Demi(not to be confused with western female celebrities) means in Albanian. You should consider asking serbs south of ibar, they probably have been learning some Shqip.

sj

pre 11 godina

This is the longer term approach by the new government and that is to completly turn the Serbian people away from the EU and so far its done a marvellous job in such a short time. The idea is to keep the Kosvo status quo and keep the pressure pot cooking and keeping talking while at the same time lead them to nothing and no conclusions.

This is the last hope that our little Albanians friends have left – the EU. Once that mask is removed these poor deluded people will start tearing at each others throats because it will be a very cold day in hell before Brussels lets Kosovo join anything let alone the EU and they certainly will not allow their friends from roaming the EU looking for work. Or maybe they might bring industry to Pristina????

Reader

pre 11 godina

I would really like that a referendum with that question be held in Serbia. The face of Dacic saying 'and now what' would be priceless. But they know it, so this type of question appears only on B92.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

And you over estimate how much BRICS value Serbia, only Russia is the one which does stuff for Serbia. I'm just guessing which BRIC will fall down from that mighty BRIC Wall first. I think it will Brazil or South Africa first, they'll eventually recognize Kosova, then India will follow.
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On what evidence do you base this on?

Peggy

pre 11 godina

It’s even sweeter knowing that Serbian police daily return to Kosovo Albanians who sneek into Serbia proper trying to look for work. Back to prison Kosova.
(sj, 9 November 2012 11:11)

I guess that Kosovars love to be in Prison Kosova vs Prison Serbia.
(icj1, 10 November 2012 04:28)
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Then why do they try to sneak into Serbia?
icj1, it amazes me how you come here day after day and make a fool of yourself so willingly.

icj1

pre 11 godina

despite the quite clear text of UNSCR 1244 you are claiming its a "dark page" for Serbia??? honestly,are you nuts?
(Jovan, 13 November 2012 11:49)

Sorry, again, you are confusing me with somebody else, who must be nuts. I did not say that UNSCR1244 is a "dark page" for Serbia. What I said is that, ***ACCORDING TO*** Serbia’s babbling, in adopting 1244 the UNSC wrote one of the darkest pages of its history being instrumental in the de facto dismemberment of a sovereign European State. If you don’t agree with that, no need to argue with me – I’m just the messenger of Serbia’s position; go and convince Serbia.

And, yes, you are correct that 1244 is very clear; Kosovo’s Declaration of Independence is in accordance with it; again thanks to Vuk who tirelessly worked to make that clear.

icj1

pre 11 godina

How do you know the person who made the comment is not a Malaysian ?! By reading the excellent posts of the CE of the B92 forums sj, it appears that Malaysians are very active and knowledgable about the Kosovo/Serbia affairs :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 12 November 2012 00:58)
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Seriously?
Is this your reply? Do you honestly think that what you write is intelligent in any way?
(Peggy, 13 November 2012 21:02)

Of course that was very intelligent. Our Malaysian-based friend, the CE of the 92 forums sj, has demonstrated over and over again that he/she knows Serbia, Kosovo and every other country much better than anybody living in those countries. Every intelligent person has to recognize that. Don't you agree ?!

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Nikole: don´t you worry about Russia, my dear k-albanian friend... even if they had only half of todays population it would still be more than enough... you seem to misinterprete something here...

as if it was about population numbers in regard to Russia... =)

as for Haitian, who is quite generously mentioning "friends" in europe, asia and so on...

well, let´s see how many of them will stay friends in the future!

we all know that you must talk like that, there is nothing else you can do. otherwise you would have to admit that you´re only us-puppets...

and believing that Brasil, South Africa ( who just joined the BRICS ) or India would "recognize" a black hole on Serbia´s territory as a "state"... well, dream on.

but my very best laugh I had when I saw icj addressing me again... gee, you still believe you have anything to say? you, who was babbling about UNSCR 1244 not securing Serbia´s territorial integrity, and afterwards when I even had shown him where it is clearly stated he just stayed quiet!
and here he dares to open his mouth again, oohaaa! =)

you Albanians are a funny species, actually. like one of your own historians ( I think it was Mr.Vebiu ) has put it, you want to live in a dream-world, since in reality you have nothing to be proud of. I think he´s right.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

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On what evidence do you base this on?
(Peggy, 10 November 2012 01:08)

I guess he/she should also have some Malaysian fried like sj's (Malaysians know a lot of secret stuff about global affairs)
(icj1, 10 November 2012 17:41)
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If Malaysians made that comment I would ask them but since they didn't I asked the person who did.
So I am still waiting for the answer from the person who did. If you wish to answer on their behalf then do so but please make it an intelligent answer otherwise let the person making a claim explain that claim.
Why do you jump in when nobody asked you anyway?
You know the old saying 'fools rush in...'.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

well, my dear k-albanian friend, ...indeed, there is some severe confusion in what you´re presenting us here...

well, I won´t deepen it further, since it seems clear that you are either deliberately writing something false, or you just don´t know what you´re babbling about.

but that wouldn´t be much of a surprise either. I´m afraid UNSCR 1244 is very clear on this, and if you really believe what your yellow-press is telling you, my dear, ...then you can´t be helped.

the only thing that is astonishing in my eyes in regard to you Albanians ...is the fact that you are, completely ignorant to basic facts, claiming things that are either not true or even not to be taken serious!

despite the quite clear text of UNSCR 1244 you are claiming its a "dark page" for Serbia??? honestly,are you nuts?

...and despite your fabulous inability to come up with real, and I mean serious and modern scientific sources that claim the illyrian descent of Albanians, you are stubbornly clinging to that myth of the german romanticism of over a hundred years ago...

what I am always asking myself when I read your wishful thinking - don´t you feel ashamed actually? I mean, writing such a poor nonsense here, ...it doesn´t make you Albanians look like you´re a proud people, you know?

Peggy

pre 11 godina

How do you know the person who made the comment is not a Malaysian ?! By reading the excellent posts of the CE of the B92 forums sj, it appears that Malaysians are very active and knowledgable about the Kosovo/Serbia affairs :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 12 November 2012 00:58)
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Seriously?
Is this your reply? Do you honestly think that what you write is intelligent in any way?
I guess every site must have their fool.