PM: Meeting in Brussels won't be about status

Well, at least they are talking now. Once people speak face to face, there are many possibilities. When people by contrast sit at desks and write like we do when posting on this site, it's easy to act all high and mighty.

"PM: Meeting in Brussels won't be about status"

Why would "status" be involved in technical negotiations?

Serbia "had no moral, political or legal right to solve issues in Kosovo" Exactly...

Well, at least they are talking now. Once people speak face to face, there are many possibilities. When people by contrast sit at desks and write like we do when posting on this site, it's easy to act all high and mighty.
(Daniel, 6 November 2012 13:53)

Are you listening, Ari Gold!

"He can say whatever he likes, just as I could say whatever I like, but I do not want to. We have no problem discussing total and complete normalization of relations, which means an agreement with Serbia and compromise."

If you see the clear Thaci-statement and the stupid words by Dacic. The "complete normaization OF RELATIONS can only be relations according to internat. law, the recognitionof Kosovo, what nothing make "normal". Also comments that there is automatically any outcome if people are sitting together is far from any reality in politics. Such talks must be -depending of the open gap (which is here extremely wide)-prepared by experst normally over years and years. Serbian daydreams are producing heavy problems for the Serbs in Kosovo what we can see with the inaccurate "technical" agreements and the following problems of interpretation.
It is some time better to wait and have high-level talks later. If the high-level talks are to early and not bringing real results which are accepted by the own people (interesting Dacic is speaking about legitimate interests of the Albanians, its not his duty after the Serb constitution, to take care about Albanian interests)it can come to a period of non-speaking with each other. Serbias "peasant diplomacy" is on the lowest level.

Lets who wears a bigger flag this time. Ha ha.

Ron, 6 November 2012 15:23)
And all this time we have been lead to believe that Ron is some non-Serb or Albanian from Holland whose only interest was the preservation of international law and that the situation in Kosovo could only be solved through mutual agreements.
Now someone has stepped on the sheeps cloak and we see the wolf underneath. Anyone else see that he is now against any compromise between the 2 sides and is actually merely an ultranationalists who sees the only right is with Serbia "owning" and "ruling" Kosovo and the Albanians?

As Serbian politicians (Draskovic) have admitted, Kosova's case has been closed since 1999. Now the least Serbia can do for Serbians within Kosova's borders is to normalize its relations with Kosova for the sake of Serbians who live in Kosova. Also stop instigating, clearly Serbian government does not care about Serbs in Kosova, they have been using them for their personal political interest. Just like Russia has used Serbia against the western powers for its personal interest. Not that Russia actually cares about Serbia we already know that.

“Although the recognition of Kosovo by Serbia is not an official condition for Serbia to be able to enter the European Union, de facto, the normalization of relations with Kosovo – and normalization in this sense is basically a recognition of Kosovo’s independence – will be a condition for at least several EU members. The Czech Republic understands the necessity of this normalization just like the rest of the EU.”
Vladimír Bartovic, deputy director of the Prague-based Europeum Institute for European Politics

No need to kiss a## in Brussels, European Union is a dead end road!

against any compromise between the 2 sides and is actually merely an ultranationalists ..."a new day": this comes absolutely from Serbia or a balkan-state of this "weight"...."ultranationalists"? an invention made for Serbs with the target that they should not have any national feelings...if you know the national ceremonies every morning in US schools in the province you would call it ultarultraultra, but it is the feeling of the people...a COMPOMISE can ever be found but in this hate beween Albanians and Serbs it needs years and years to find the atmosphere for a COMPROMISE, what the use "old days" is meaning is a rotten "compromise" without any work (typically for Serbs?)...such a "compromise" is nothing bringing to a better turn, it makes the things worse and worse..and Serbia from Milosevic over Kostunica to Tadic has only signed rotten "compromises" which have ruined the country and also the "moral" of the people....and not anybody who is respecting international law is from holland but he is not rom Serbia, thats true; the Albanians have learnt a lot in the last years in this respect..." The real great politicains have said several times NO when it was not the right content or the right moment...not so in Serbia...I remember a expert for Serbia who said: in Western country you can buy politics sometimes for big money, in Serbia you can do this for a cheap pen.

New Day, I think you might want to re-read Ron's comment. It doesn't sound at all like your appearant interpretation. It sounds very much like he's saying that Serbian officials have no place discussing or considering Albanian's concerns, as they are not in Serbia (anymore).

However, Ron's statement as it stands, from a strictly symantic perspective rings of reasonablilty. Serbian officials do not have a valid opinion or word to say to Albania, as they are very much different countries. That makes total sense. It is somewhat misleading as many peoples of the Balkans tend to use their ethnicities in place of nationalities. There are a number of Serbians who are of Albanian ethnicity, and if these Serbians prefer to refer to themselves as Albanian, than infact it is directly the busniess of the Serbian government and officials to address their needs, and to manage their region.

and normalization in this sense is basically a recognition of Kosovo’s independence "

It is that what the Serb elite knows but will not tell the Serbs. Ther is either recognition or no recognition, all the actual steps are going to a de facto recognition...if Serbia has not the courage to tell the people the truth about the total capitulation...its for the Albanians now only the fight Serbs against serbs and the Albanians are sitting with great eyes how empty are the slogans of Serb constitution...for the Albanians the Serbs are enemies anymore...in their macho-culture suche behave would be non-acceptable. Its like in the fairy-tale, when the little child is crying: The king is naked

@ uncle bob:

In France all inhabitants are called French or in Germany Germans, not so in Serbia....but my focus was more that the Serb government should have a look into the history of international relations of the period after WW II, REAL settlements of langlasting conflicts/disputes were achieved only after long negotiations with pressre etc from both sides....Serbia has never made any effort for such (first informal/secret) contacts or developing real strategies by scientific/research institutions...nobody from abroad (EU with its low knowledge of the real situation and interests in Serbia)can do the job of the Serbs. Before the German-German agreements were signed, in West-Germany in leading newspapers like Spiegel or Die Zeit thousands of pages were written with comments/ideas/analysis pro and con. And influential foundations were conducting secretly seminars/conferences with experts/journlists etc from both sides. So a real compromise is the end and not the beginning. You can see that Serbia and Kosovo are not speaking about the same problems. Both German states had before agreements were signed identifed the issues which must be solved (Kosovo: only practical questions Serbia: historic settlement in an agreemet). This non-understanding NOW shows that any agreement would interpreted by both sides differently and this is against internat. law, there is a special UN-convention on international agreemnts/conventions not accepting this

Serbia "had no moral, political or legal right to solve issues in Kosovo" Exactly...

Well, at least they are talking now. Once people speak face to face, there are many possibilities. When people by contrast sit at desks and write like we do when posting on this site, it's easy to act all high and mighty.
(Daniel, 6 November 2012 13:53)

Are you listening, Ari Gold!

"He can say whatever he likes, just as I could say whatever I like, but I do not want to. We have no problem discussing total and complete normalization of relations, which means an agreement with Serbia and compromise."

If you see the clear Thaci-statement and the stupid words by Dacic. The "complete normaization OF RELATIONS can only be relations according to internat. law, the recognitionof Kosovo, what nothing make "normal". Also comments that there is automatically any outcome if people are sitting together is far from any reality in politics. Such talks must be -depending of the open gap (which is here extremely wide)-prepared by experst normally over years and years. Serbian daydreams are producing heavy problems for the Serbs in Kosovo what we can see with the inaccurate "technical" agreements and the following problems of interpretation.
It is some time better to wait and have high-level talks later. If the high-level talks are to early and not bringing real results which are accepted by the own people (interesting Dacic is speaking about legitimate interests of the Albanians, its not his duty after the Serb constitution, to take care about Albanian interests)it can come to a period of non-speaking with each other. Serbias "peasant diplomacy" is on the lowest level.

“Although the recognition of Kosovo by Serbia is not an official condition for Serbia to be able to enter the European Union, de facto, the normalization of relations with Kosovo – and normalization in this sense is basically a recognition of Kosovo’s independence – will be a condition for at least several EU members. The Czech Republic understands the necessity of this normalization just like the rest of the EU.”
Vladimír Bartovic, deputy director of the Prague-based Europeum Institute for European Politics

No need to kiss a## in Brussels, European Union is a dead end road!

Well, at least they are talking now. Once people speak face to face, there are many possibilities. When people by contrast sit at desks and write like we do when posting on this site, it's easy to act all high and mighty.

Ron, 6 November 2012 15:23)
And all this time we have been lead to believe that Ron is some non-Serb or Albanian from Holland whose only interest was the preservation of international law and that the situation in Kosovo could only be solved through mutual agreements.
Now someone has stepped on the sheeps cloak and we see the wolf underneath. Anyone else see that he is now against any compromise between the 2 sides and is actually merely an ultranationalists who sees the only right is with Serbia "owning" and "ruling" Kosovo and the Albanians?

"PM: Meeting in Brussels won't be about status"

Why would "status" be involved in technical negotiations?

New Day, I think you might want to re-read Ron's comment. It doesn't sound at all like your appearant interpretation. It sounds very much like he's saying that Serbian officials have no place discussing or considering Albanian's concerns, as they are not in Serbia (anymore).

However, Ron's statement as it stands, from a strictly symantic perspective rings of reasonablilty. Serbian officials do not have a valid opinion or word to say to Albania, as they are very much different countries. That makes total sense. It is somewhat misleading as many peoples of the Balkans tend to use their ethnicities in place of nationalities. There are a number of Serbians who are of Albanian ethnicity, and if these Serbians prefer to refer to themselves as Albanian, than infact it is directly the busniess of the Serbian government and officials to address their needs, and to manage their region.

Lets who wears a bigger flag this time. Ha ha.

and normalization in this sense is basically a recognition of Kosovo’s independence "

It is that what the Serb elite knows but will not tell the Serbs. Ther is either recognition or no recognition, all the actual steps are going to a de facto recognition...if Serbia has not the courage to tell the people the truth about the total capitulation...its for the Albanians now only the fight Serbs against serbs and the Albanians are sitting with great eyes how empty are the slogans of Serb constitution...for the Albanians the Serbs are enemies anymore...in their macho-culture suche behave would be non-acceptable. Its like in the fairy-tale, when the little child is crying: The king is naked

As Serbian politicians (Draskovic) have admitted, Kosova's case has been closed since 1999. Now the least Serbia can do for Serbians within Kosova's borders is to normalize its relations with Kosova for the sake of Serbians who live in Kosova. Also stop instigating, clearly Serbian government does not care about Serbs in Kosova, they have been using them for their personal political interest. Just like Russia has used Serbia against the western powers for its personal interest. Not that Russia actually cares about Serbia we already know that.

@ uncle bob:

In France all inhabitants are called French or in Germany Germans, not so in Serbia....but my focus was more that the Serb government should have a look into the history of international relations of the period after WW II, REAL settlements of langlasting conflicts/disputes were achieved only after long negotiations with pressre etc from both sides....Serbia has never made any effort for such (first informal/secret) contacts or developing real strategies by scientific/research institutions...nobody from abroad (EU with its low knowledge of the real situation and interests in Serbia)can do the job of the Serbs. Before the German-German agreements were signed, in West-Germany in leading newspapers like Spiegel or Die Zeit thousands of pages were written with comments/ideas/analysis pro and con. And influential foundations were conducting secretly seminars/conferences with experts/journlists etc from both sides. So a real compromise is the end and not the beginning. You can see that Serbia and Kosovo are not speaking about the same problems. Both German states had before agreements were signed identifed the issues which must be solved (Kosovo: only practical questions Serbia: historic settlement in an agreemet). This non-understanding NOW shows that any agreement would interpreted by both sides differently and this is against internat. law, there is a special UN-convention on international agreemnts/conventions not accepting this

against any compromise between the 2 sides and is actually merely an ultranationalists ..."a new day": this comes absolutely from Serbia or a balkan-state of this "weight"...."ultranationalists"? an invention made for Serbs with the target that they should not have any national feelings...if you know the national ceremonies every morning in US schools in the province you would call it ultarultraultra, but it is the feeling of the people...a COMPOMISE can ever be found but in this hate beween Albanians and Serbs it needs years and years to find the atmosphere for a COMPROMISE, what the use "old days" is meaning is a rotten "compromise" without any work (typically for Serbs?)...such a "compromise" is nothing bringing to a better turn, it makes the things worse and worse..and Serbia from Milosevic over Kostunica to Tadic has only signed rotten "compromises" which have ruined the country and also the "moral" of the people....and not anybody who is respecting international law is from holland but he is not rom Serbia, thats true; the Albanians have learnt a lot in the last years in this respect..." The real great politicains have said several times NO when it was not the right content or the right moment...not so in Serbia...I remember a expert for Serbia who said: in Western country you can buy politics sometimes for big money, in Serbia you can do this for a cheap pen.