Autonomy for north is just dream, Kosovo PM says

Thaci is a former terrorist and organ trafficker. He has no credibility!

This guy is the dream, a bad dream for Albanians, a nightmare. He should be looking through bars right now, not giving inflammatory statements to Albanian media. His time will come, it comes for all criminals. BTW, N. KiM will never be run by Albanians, never. The Illyrian myth is just that, a myth that belongs in fairy tale books, not in politics.

Thank you Hashim Thaci! Because of this, a sustainable deal will never be made and will eventually open up a lot of things for discussion. Thank you for not accepting partition, I don't either!

Me and my buddy Hash, brothers against partition of Kosovo i Metohija ;)

Now everybody could see what was all that war, bombing and mess about in 1998/1999 - it happened because KAlbs wanted no compromise over Kosovo at all and the West supported them. KAlbs were promised ALL of Kosovo entirely at their disposal, while Serb officials including Milosevic were ready to divide Kosovo and argeed to other compromises.

A reminder for this person: Kosovo is a Serbian province ruled by UN per UNSC 1244!
Please don't act like this province is a state. It is not. And we all know that!

Thaci is a former terrorist and organ trafficker. He has no credibility!
(So sad, too bad, 4 November 2012 14:34)

Change the record!

And yes Thaci has no credibility because his pin badge is far too small in comparison to Dacic's!

"The idea that has been presented in the Serbian media will not come true in independent and sovereign Kosovo that has an extremely big support of the U.S. and the EU," Thaci said.

This might be true, but there's no such thing as an independent and sovereign Kosovo, only a self-proclaimed pseudo state that only depends on donor money,cannot stand on its own feet and that has no chance to become a globally recognized state (UN member) like the other 193 states in the world.

And that the election faker Thaci is daring to use the word 'democratic' is a joke itself

“This was Serbia’s old dream. It’s a dream that will never come true. They got the answer from the democratic world,” he pointed out.

Right! Just like an independent Kosovo is Thaci's old dream. He even thinks it came true, but the reality is different.

I'm now convinced more than ever that substantial autonomy is on its way :)

UN and eu membership is just an old dream of kosovo’s that will never come true.

@Kenny:

I think you are wrong. I think that sooner or later it will be a total loss for the Albanians. and if they do not come to reason early enough this will be a loss forever.
now they are feeling strong, backed by the US - but the US will let them down, just as they have done it with the Pahlevi-regime in Iran, or with Saddam Hussein in Iraq...

and the Albanians will be losers again - if they stick to their current position.

in the meantime, Serbia is going to strenghten - and not only economically.

let´s just see what future brings - time works for Serbia.


ps: oh, and please my dear friends, don´t fool yourselves with faked nick-names! we all know that "nikola peric" is an albanian in reality, trying to create the impression as if there is something the Serbs have to admit. but you´re wrong. it is just the opposite! it´s the Serbs who have history, moral and justice on their side.

the Albanians tend to forget that.

Kosovo as a whole is part of Serbia,out from the Balkans all Muslims,greetings from Albania.

Both sides are not telling the truth. Belgrade says they will never recognize Kosovos independence. Wrong, they will sooner or later. Prishtina will also grant some sort of autonomy for the north of Kosovo. It'll be a win-win, or loss-loss situation for both sides.

“This was Serbia’s old dream. It’s a dream that will never come true. They got the answer from the democratic world,” he pointed out.
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LOL! An old dream to obtain autonomy for the north? I mean, anyone visiting the north would automatically recognise it as Serbia and not some old dream about autonomy. How old exactly is this dream because the UDD isn't that old is it? Were we dreaming about autonomy before the UDD? LOL! This guy is a joke.

We have lost our moral right to have any control of any part of Kosovo! The albanian is right. I know this well, as I was born in Pristina.

@Tirana

Were well aware of you Serbs pretending to be Albanians.

You Serbs want to talk about how Kosova lacks at being democratic, who are we kidding here? Who assassinated Arkan Razntovic? What part of Serbian constitution was democratic throughout the 90s? All you did was committed a genocide after another. Wiretapping within Serbian government? Exactly how proud should you Serbian be of your current government? Serbs are in no position to accuse Kosova, after all Kosova has every right to make mistakes every now and then. We just became independent less than 5 years ago. How long has Serbia been independent for?
Dacic was Serbia's recent hero, while he was arresting innocent Albanians prior to elections for nonsense which definitely helped him gain popularity. You Serbs live with hate in your hearts, that is why you will never be happy and have not ever been happy in the history of your existence. Always attacking others, now that your own HERO has sold out Serbia will make you hate your own dysfunctional government.

The West is trying to force Serbs to live under Albanians?
Sounds rather unlikely to succeed...
Oh no! I wrote something pro-Serb. That must be quite scary for Serbs.

aaayyy, 4 November 2012 15:34)
Kind of have it backwards, the war and bombing was because the Serbs refused any kind of compromise. They wanted the land with no Albanians on it and would not accept less. For 12 years they insisted on the same
(think again, 4 November 2012 20:16)

No, in 1999 Serbs refused only occupation of ALL of Yugoslavia by NATO and
referendum over Kosovo independence in 3 years.

There's nothing wrong with dreaming... Hahahahahaha

aaayyy, 4 November 2012 15:34)
Kind of have it backwards, the war and bombing was because the Serbs refused any kind of compromise. They wanted the land with no Albanians on it and would not accept less. For 12 years they insisted on the same and suddenly it clicked hey we need to compromise or we will have nothing.
The Albanians are now saying too little too late.

Bridge....god bless the ustasha?.....murderers of women and children, the old and infirm who cannot fight back, no bridge, god will damn the ustasha to hell where they and people like you belong.

You think about that and have a very nice day now.

we have been over all of that in other threads, i see no reason to repeat myself here. by the way, how do you know those Serbian officials are honest? what makes you so sure they too aren't lying, like those nasty evil Americans? don't forget to raise a toast to Albania on the 28th of this month, I will think of you when those fireworks light up Prishtina on said date :-)...to a hundred more...

Thaci is a former terrorist and organ trafficker. He has no credibility! (So sad, too bad)

If he has no credibility, how come you been writing about him for over 13 years?
And if I am recalling wrighte he still sentenc with 10 years jail from Serbian court 15 years ago.

@the "Albanian":

you say the "Serbs live with hate in their hearts" - but, please correct me if I´m wrong - as far as we´ve seen it has been solely serbian graves in the occupied part of KiM that were desecrated.

so either your compass doesn´t work propperly or you´re just talking nonsense here!

why are albanian graveyards untouched in the serb-inhabited parts of KiM? because the "Serbs live with hate in their hearts"???

come on, don´t make a fool of yourself with statements like that. it is simply too stupid, and nobody will believe you if you come up with such a bullshit.

it´s the Albanians who are being eaten up by their own hatred against all non-albanians in southern Serbia.

you are the ones, who are desecrating cemeteries, graves, churches and monasteries. it is YOU. and the whole world knows that. so better stop lying here.

I think we should accept that this land is Serbian first and foremost and we Albanians should stop making claim to the titles of this land.

We arrived here after Serbs and their monuments are proof of this. We on the other hand have no proof of our so called long existence here.

We also were not as brave as the Serbians under Ottoman rule and we converted to Islam and changed all our first and surnames because we couldn't stand up to the Turks with honour like the Serbians.

The least we could do is stop claiming independence and turning their religious birthplace into a mafia run drug and human trafficking hub of Europe.

I hope more Albanians will join me and see the light and speak the truth and stop supporting a global war machine (USA).

You may consider my Premier a terrorist but to me he will always be a hero, a freedom fighter, and a founding father.
(KOSO, 5 November 2012 06:08)

And as I've said multiple times, if I ever wanted to become a "citizen" of "Kosova", I'd be his biggest and most vocal supporter. Your "hero", "freedom fighter" and "founding father" is a "village idiot payed, trained, and groomed by the CIA" for the rest of us. "Kosova" couldn't deserve a better hero in its ranks and I look forward to many more years of this guy making hilarious statements and predictions that no one outside his inner circle and the US State Department believe to be true :)

A reminder for this person: Kosovo is a Serbian province ruled by UN per UNSC 1244!
(Ron, 4 November 2012 20:04)

Oh, you finally got it after 14 years that Serbia does not rule Kosovo and thus Kosovo is independent from Serbia.

KAlbs were promised ALL of Kosovo entirely at their disposal, while Serb officials including Milosevic were ready to divide Kosovo and argeed to other compromises.
(aaayyy, 4 November 2012 15:34)

Yeah, but that patriot called Vojislav did was against that and so he lost it all :)

I only had to stop and comment because the first commentator made a statement that just blew my mind -- he basically said that PM Hashim Thaci is a "FORMER terrorist".

Now I do ponder how does one become a former terrorist? You either are one, or not, full stop!

What is the label for your leaders which have met with PM Hashim Thaci?


You may consider my Premier a terrorist but to me he will always be a hero, a freedom fighter, and a founding father.


Tungi,

actually sj, i look nothing like thaci, nor for that matter do i think like him. as for you other points, we have been over them over 2000 times, repeating it all here again won't make a difference. but don't worry, we'll let you keep your dushan fantasy and lazar illusions (you know, the empire of heaven and all that) and we'll get on with life over here in Prishtina. oh but just so i indulge you some more, there's a section on B92, economic crisis is Serbia, click on it and see how its ministers (not yours, you're not a Serb you're an Aussie) are having to pledge that their country won't go bankrupt. next time you're in Albania, come to Kosova too and see the land of 'your' 'forefathers' and see that the empire of heaven is only a metaphor to be told in literary classes and not to be taken seriously. better find that elixir of eternal life sj, for the return of Kosova will be beyond your life and even if you live 100 more after, it'll be beyond those too.

Albanians are bla bla bla and Serbians are bla bla bla

Yes we get it the world is white and black and the 'other' are the devils and you are the angles and victims.

Now for those interested in public discourse analysis i can say that his statement is quite interesting because it hints at a possible Serbian stance on the issue.

Let me be more explicit... if he says that northern autonomy is a dream is not only pointing to his maximal position (which he would definitely give in exchange for recognition) but he is pointing to what should be of great concern to Serbs in terms of negotiating power; because if the Serb gov will really ask for northern autonomy it means that it has already recognized independence de facto and will de jure in the near future. One wouldn't ask for autonomy of a part that is considered part of the whole or even an autonomous part... there are no autonomyceptions if you will. His real message is that the Serbs have lost that little leverage of negotiating power that they had i.e. if that will be really their stance which i doubt frankly. Kosovo is not in play... the north and its future however... place your bets.

"Prishtina will also grant some sort of autonomy for the north of Kosovo. It'll be a win-win, or loss-loss situation for both sides.
(Kenny, 4 November 2012 14:47) "

Could be - giving north Kosovo the kind of autonomy Vojvodina has (i.e., in name only) probably wouldn't bother the Albanians. The Serbs, however, will probably hold out for the kind of autonomy the Native tribes have in the U.S. - they make their own laws, and no one comes on their land without their permission, including U.S. (State, Federal) police. These aren't tiny little patches of land, either - the largest (that of the Navajoes) is about the side of Serbia. The size could increase, since it's linked to the size of the population, which is growing.

This might be true, but there's no such thing as an independent and sovereign Kosovo, only a self-proclaimed pseudo state that only depends on donor money,cannot stand on its own feet and that has no chance to become a globally recognized state (UN member) like the other 193 states in the world..."

There's around 100 UN recognized states that cannot stand on their own feet, Serbia being one of them. as for self-proclaimed, well true, however, it is recognized by USA, Japan, Canada...pretty much all of the Western hemisphere. so you know...write something more intelligent than that

do you think you'll live to see your fantasy come to fruition Jovan? I mean, I sometimes feel sorry for the following posters: sj, Zoran, Ari Giold, Momlico, Peggy, Ivan, ecoman (though much less him)...all of whom are convinced that all Serbia has to do is wait and then you will get 'your' Kosmet back. some are even OK to wait a long time. well, waiting 500 years means none of you will live to see it, in short destined for disappointment. maybe rakia will sooth it better :-). in the mean time I will invite you to come down south to Prishtina (essentially Albania B and more than likely, Albania itself) and celebrate the 100th anniversary of Albania's independence.

LOL! This guy is a joke.
(Zoran, 4 November 2012 22:49)

Of course he is, which is why I'm so happy America puts so much support in him. This guy would get lost in an elevator if left alone for more than 10 minutes, so anything he says is little more than a smokescreen to cover what is usually the exact opposite of what's going to happen :)

Northern Kosovo was included into Kosovo province in Tito time , before it had been part of central Serbia.
(aaayyy, 5 November 2012 08:21)
You prefer to read the story only in the pages which are appropriate for you. We prefer to read the story in complete version, and especially in years when Balkan states were created, the moment from which comes the dispute we have today. See please the Vilayet of Kosova in years that is occupied by Serbia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kosovo03.png

Thaci is a murdering war criminal scumbag period!

It was after the bombing began - they had to move people from the vilages which the KLA turned into military bases and local civilians couldn't or didn't want to do anything with that - they didn't expell KLA fighters from their vilages that is.
(aaayyy, 5 November 2012 11:52)

Yep, they were so concerned about the evacuation and well being of Albanians in Kosovo that they even sacrificed the Serbs in Belgrade (which was bombarded even more than Kosovo by the evil NATO) and did not evacuate them. It's so unfortunate that the world did not understand the titanic efforts that Serbia was making to save the life of Albanians in Kosovo.

“This was Serbia’s old dream. It’s a dream that will never come true. They got the answer from the democratic world,” he pointed out." He has the support of US/EU AND Dacic/Nikolic to act gainst the Serbs in Kosovo. Possibly Belgrades elite is hating the normal Serbs more as Thaci. Possibly one day he has to protect the last Serbs against the agreements Belgrad is ready to sign.

Thaci is just in front of a historic break-through: Serbia has accepted in Brussels NOT to discuss status. The Albanians will get many agreements whcih are helpful for them, not for the Non-Albanians in KS. After this there is no need mor for the Albanians to give the serbs something with "autonomy"...possibly Dacic is happy about this schedule, so he can later excuse himself that it was not possible to gain any result for the Serbs. The Serbs will leave in the next years KS and Dacic and friends will bring the serbs not positively to the government to the court. The Albanian friends helpful deliver something as "prrof".

"Kosovo as a whole is part of Serbia,out from the Balkans all Muslims,greetings from Albania."

aww, how sweet. what about Buddhists, are they OK to stay in the Balkans? Greetings from Prishtina

No, in 1999 Serbs refused only occupation of ALL of Yugoslavia by NATO and
referendum over Kosovo independence in 3 years.
(aaayyy, 4 November 2012 21:15)
While they were carrying truckloads of Albanians to the border and burning homes and villages. The thought then was stall enough until cleansing is complete then there would be no one left to negotiate with.

It is pretty obvious that a deal has already been worked out (or perhaps mandated by the international powers involved).

Serbia is saying (every day) that it will not recognize Kosovo. Kosovo is saying that there will not be autonomy for the north.

Both sides are saying their lines, so that they can "compromise" and both sides will "lose something" and in the end, Serbia will recognize Kosovo and the north will have autonomy.

Northern Kosovo was included into Kosovo province in Tito time , before it had been part of central Serbia.

“The idea that has been presented in the Serbian media will not come true in independent and sovereign Kosovo that has an extremely big support of the U.S. and the EU,” Thaci said.
Let him dream on.
Kosovo won't be a country if they won't give up territory.
It is only fair.

I have been in the business of finance now closer to 40 years so I have learnt a few things. I write about what is feasible and realistic not fantasy unlike the rubbish you have written.
(sj, 5 November 2012 13:16)

Yes, it’s really disheartening that people don’t see the value of your preaching. If they did, they would have become rich, like me, by investing based on your excellent analysis as CE of the B92 forums and information that nobody knows except you and your legendary Malaysian friend.
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I hate to say it but you are a poor misguided fool. There is a crisis in the world not just Serbia or perhaps you don’t have a TV or radio.
(sj, 5 November 2012 13:16)

Hold on there… Yes, there is a crisis in the world, expect in the Russian and Chinese paradises :)
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At least the Serbian Minister are honest about their f financial situation unlike the US or EU who keep singing the greatness of their democracies but in the meantime standards of living spiral downhill
(sj, 5 November 2012 13:16)

I guess they need to sing the greatness of the Russian and Chinese democracies hoping to join their standard of living LOL
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I notice that you also addressed my question how Kosovo is going to survive financially with a rant that it’s not coming back to Serbia in 100 years.
(sj, 5 November 2012 13:16)

Sure, by joining that bankrupt failed state called Serbia, Kosovo is going to survive financially LOL

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

(Nikolle, 4 November 2012 23:46)
You and Thaci are very much the same. You talk as if Kosovo is a mighty empire that surpasses the Romans and Brits when in fact it’s nothing but a little place with too many starving Albanians who can barely scratch out a living and if it wasn’t for EU aid. Kosovos official unemployment rate is 45% -that the part they count when in fact its anywhere between 75% and 80%
This is where they all come apart. The EU will not allow a large Islamic country in its environs; why do you think Turkey is being led around in circles??? It simply will NEVER join the EU.
Secondly you don’t have the MONEY – you know about money I can only guess? That stuff in your wallet that you need to buy goods and services???? Kosovo does not have and Albania does not have it.
You poor dumb and deluded individual, what do you think runs this world? Prayers to God, Allah or maybe Buddha? No its cold hard cash that done so since time immemorial.
However for our amusement do tell how Kosovo is going to serive on its own financially or what consequences will there be if it was allowed to join. Now remember don’t take into account EU help. Just show us how it’s going to work.
I was in your Albania 12 months ago and gee wasn’t it a dump. Two kilometers outside the capital and the villages still don’t have electricity or running water let alone a decent road.

No one of Serbias "dreams" in the former YU-area became true. Therefore Thaci would be stupid to accept any kind of autonomy. It will come at maximum to a kind of little network in education and some aspects of health-service in some northern villages. Prishtina will get control over payments from Belgrade. And Prishtina will increase very fast the Albanian population there. At the end, there will be alos a Albanian population and at the Albanin "Flag day" some old Serbs in "national" costumes will hand over presents to the Albanian leaders like in China the national "minorities" at the Peoples Congress once a year. It is not a mistake of Thaci to follow the Albanian dreams. Its the problem of te Serbs not having strategic ideas and the knowledge or foreign support to realize them. With the border-control-agreement the West has fixed, that between Serbia and Northern Kososvo can not be developed a "single economic area". But the Serbs and also some people here are permanentely complaining about the conspiracy against Serbia. All was done with Serbias signature from Dayton to Kumanovo. Dont forget hwo Milosevic was speaking in Dayton (you can read it in details)about the Bosnian Serbs opposite the US-diplomats. How Dacic is speaking about the KS-Serbs opposite EU/US? Better not to know. Possibly Thaci is in this case more correct as the little "bosses" in Belgrade.

(Nikolle, 5 November 2012 10:46)
I see English is a second language for you. I know exactly what I am talking about and I have been in the business of finance now closer to 40 years so I have learnt a few things.
I write about what is feasible and realistic not fantasy unlike the rubbish you have written.
I hate to say it but you are a poor misguided fool. There is a crisis in the world not just Serbia or perhaps you don’t have a TV or radio.
At least the Serbian Minister are honest about their f financial situation unlike the US or EU who keep singing the greatness of their democracies but in the meantime standards of living spiral downhill – ever notice how the prices in super markets keep going up every month or two.
Yes it’s called an economic crisis.
I notice that you also addressed my question how Kosovo is going to survive financially with a rant that it’s not coming back to Serbia in 100 years. Here is some news for you the Russians will not tolerate having the American halfwits anywhere near South stream so its bye bye US.

(Nikolle, 5 November 2012 14:12)

The Serbian officials don’t have to be honest because they are well past that stage – this is 2012 going on 2013 and not 1999. When is it going to sink into your little brain that we are living in a completely different world where the US or EU are no longer in charge?????? We, meaning the entire world, are going through a massive period of change where the west is no longer in charge.
Albania is a DUMP that is so far behind the rest it’s not funny and Tirana will NEVER take control Kosovo. How stupid are you people? MONEY RULES THE WORLD not crap from Albanian Diaspora. You have had your time and lost. The only thing I’ll do on the 28 is go to the lavatory to celebrate Albanias century LOL, LOL - you have sunk to a new low LOL.
Still waiting on how Kosovo is going to survive on its own.

Good bless the ustasha.

No, in 1999 Serbs refused only occupation of ALL of Yugoslavia by NATO and
referendum over Kosovo independence in 3 years.
(aaayyy, 4 November 2012 21:15)
While they were carrying truckloads of Albanians to the border and burning homes and villages. The thought then was stall enough until cleansing is complete then there would be no one left to negotiate with.
(think again, 5 November 2012 00:52)

It was after the bombing began - they had to move people from the vilages which the KLA turned into military bases and local civilians couldn't or didn't want to do anything with that - they didn't expell KLA fighters from their vilages that is.

Nikole wrote "do you think you'll live to see your fantasy come to fruition Jovan?"

my dear k-albanian friend, first of all, I do not think it will take 500 years. the US of A are already experiencing a first smell of their downfall - since "Sandy" made clear to them that they cannot afford much more superpower-acting... actually the US have only three things left where they are the world´s no.1: in regard to the number of prison-inmates, the number of poeple believing in angels and in excessive military spending.
and as you will see tomorrow, the US are deeply divided, politically, with severe domestic political problems, not to forget their sky-high foreign debt.
that means they will sooner or later have to shut down military bases. and we will see whether you are so important to them as you would love to believe. =)
you asked whether I think I will witness your downfall? this is pretty much probable, although I cannot name you a certain date. but let´s just see what future brings!
I think you will change your tune, once you have grasped that you can´t prevent Serbia from taking back what is historically, morally and legally serbian.

and I think you´ll know already today that YOU are not a problem for the serb army, if they should ever be needed to pacify you little part-time rambo´s...

what you should keep in mind, my dear nikole, it took 500 years against the ottomans, a former empire. YOU will not be much of a problem. but I think you´ll not be so stupid try it...

Serbia has lost a lot in yu war they are trying to lie to their people but most of Serbs don't even care for Kosovo they need food for they families not this crap from their corrupted politicians.

Serbia has lost a lot in yu war they are trying to lie to their people but most of Serbs don't even care for Kosovo they need food for they families not this crap from their corrupted politicians.
(Vito, 7 November 2012 14:48)
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Are Albanians now giving their children Serbian names?

Thaci is a former terrorist and organ trafficker. He has no credibility!

This guy is the dream, a bad dream for Albanians, a nightmare. He should be looking through bars right now, not giving inflammatory statements to Albanian media. His time will come, it comes for all criminals. BTW, N. KiM will never be run by Albanians, never. The Illyrian myth is just that, a myth that belongs in fairy tale books, not in politics.

Both sides are not telling the truth. Belgrade says they will never recognize Kosovos independence. Wrong, they will sooner or later. Prishtina will also grant some sort of autonomy for the north of Kosovo. It'll be a win-win, or loss-loss situation for both sides.

We have lost our moral right to have any control of any part of Kosovo! The albanian is right. I know this well, as I was born in Pristina.

I'm now convinced more than ever that substantial autonomy is on its way :)

@Tirana

Were well aware of you Serbs pretending to be Albanians.

You Serbs want to talk about how Kosova lacks at being democratic, who are we kidding here? Who assassinated Arkan Razntovic? What part of Serbian constitution was democratic throughout the 90s? All you did was committed a genocide after another. Wiretapping within Serbian government? Exactly how proud should you Serbian be of your current government? Serbs are in no position to accuse Kosova, after all Kosova has every right to make mistakes every now and then. We just became independent less than 5 years ago. How long has Serbia been independent for?
Dacic was Serbia's recent hero, while he was arresting innocent Albanians prior to elections for nonsense which definitely helped him gain popularity. You Serbs live with hate in your hearts, that is why you will never be happy and have not ever been happy in the history of your existence. Always attacking others, now that your own HERO has sold out Serbia will make you hate your own dysfunctional government.

Thaci is a former terrorist and organ trafficker. He has no credibility!
(So sad, too bad, 4 November 2012 14:34)

Change the record!

And yes Thaci has no credibility because his pin badge is far too small in comparison to Dacic's!

Now everybody could see what was all that war, bombing and mess about in 1998/1999 - it happened because KAlbs wanted no compromise over Kosovo at all and the West supported them. KAlbs were promised ALL of Kosovo entirely at their disposal, while Serb officials including Milosevic were ready to divide Kosovo and argeed to other compromises.

There's nothing wrong with dreaming... Hahahahahaha

A reminder for this person: Kosovo is a Serbian province ruled by UN per UNSC 1244!
Please don't act like this province is a state. It is not. And we all know that!

aaayyy, 4 November 2012 15:34)
Kind of have it backwards, the war and bombing was because the Serbs refused any kind of compromise. They wanted the land with no Albanians on it and would not accept less. For 12 years they insisted on the same and suddenly it clicked hey we need to compromise or we will have nothing.
The Albanians are now saying too little too late.

Thaci is just in front of a historic break-through: Serbia has accepted in Brussels NOT to discuss status. The Albanians will get many agreements whcih are helpful for them, not for the Non-Albanians in KS. After this there is no need mor for the Albanians to give the serbs something with "autonomy"...possibly Dacic is happy about this schedule, so he can later excuse himself that it was not possible to gain any result for the Serbs. The Serbs will leave in the next years KS and Dacic and friends will bring the serbs not positively to the government to the court. The Albanian friends helpful deliver something as "prrof".

Kosovo as a whole is part of Serbia,out from the Balkans all Muslims,greetings from Albania.

KAlbs were promised ALL of Kosovo entirely at their disposal, while Serb officials including Milosevic were ready to divide Kosovo and argeed to other compromises.
(aaayyy, 4 November 2012 15:34)

Yeah, but that patriot called Vojislav did was against that and so he lost it all :)

Thaci is a former terrorist and organ trafficker. He has no credibility! (So sad, too bad)

If he has no credibility, how come you been writing about him for over 13 years?
And if I am recalling wrighte he still sentenc with 10 years jail from Serbian court 15 years ago.

“This was Serbia’s old dream. It’s a dream that will never come true. They got the answer from the democratic world,” he pointed out." He has the support of US/EU AND Dacic/Nikolic to act gainst the Serbs in Kosovo. Possibly Belgrades elite is hating the normal Serbs more as Thaci. Possibly one day he has to protect the last Serbs against the agreements Belgrad is ready to sign.

"The idea that has been presented in the Serbian media will not come true in independent and sovereign Kosovo that has an extremely big support of the U.S. and the EU," Thaci said.

This might be true, but there's no such thing as an independent and sovereign Kosovo, only a self-proclaimed pseudo state that only depends on donor money,cannot stand on its own feet and that has no chance to become a globally recognized state (UN member) like the other 193 states in the world.

And that the election faker Thaci is daring to use the word 'democratic' is a joke itself

You may consider my Premier a terrorist but to me he will always be a hero, a freedom fighter, and a founding father.
(KOSO, 5 November 2012 06:08)

And as I've said multiple times, if I ever wanted to become a "citizen" of "Kosova", I'd be his biggest and most vocal supporter. Your "hero", "freedom fighter" and "founding father" is a "village idiot payed, trained, and groomed by the CIA" for the rest of us. "Kosova" couldn't deserve a better hero in its ranks and I look forward to many more years of this guy making hilarious statements and predictions that no one outside his inner circle and the US State Department believe to be true :)

(Nikolle, 5 November 2012 14:12)

The Serbian officials don’t have to be honest because they are well past that stage – this is 2012 going on 2013 and not 1999. When is it going to sink into your little brain that we are living in a completely different world where the US or EU are no longer in charge?????? We, meaning the entire world, are going through a massive period of change where the west is no longer in charge.
Albania is a DUMP that is so far behind the rest it’s not funny and Tirana will NEVER take control Kosovo. How stupid are you people? MONEY RULES THE WORLD not crap from Albanian Diaspora. You have had your time and lost. The only thing I’ll do on the 28 is go to the lavatory to celebrate Albanias century LOL, LOL - you have sunk to a new low LOL.
Still waiting on how Kosovo is going to survive on its own.

Thank you Hashim Thaci! Because of this, a sustainable deal will never be made and will eventually open up a lot of things for discussion. Thank you for not accepting partition, I don't either!

Me and my buddy Hash, brothers against partition of Kosovo i Metohija ;)

“This was Serbia’s old dream. It’s a dream that will never come true. They got the answer from the democratic world,” he pointed out.

Right! Just like an independent Kosovo is Thaci's old dream. He even thinks it came true, but the reality is different.

@Kenny:

I think you are wrong. I think that sooner or later it will be a total loss for the Albanians. and if they do not come to reason early enough this will be a loss forever.
now they are feeling strong, backed by the US - but the US will let them down, just as they have done it with the Pahlevi-regime in Iran, or with Saddam Hussein in Iraq...

and the Albanians will be losers again - if they stick to their current position.

in the meantime, Serbia is going to strenghten - and not only economically.

let´s just see what future brings - time works for Serbia.


ps: oh, and please my dear friends, don´t fool yourselves with faked nick-names! we all know that "nikola peric" is an albanian in reality, trying to create the impression as if there is something the Serbs have to admit. but you´re wrong. it is just the opposite! it´s the Serbs who have history, moral and justice on their side.

the Albanians tend to forget that.

Good bless the ustasha.

No, in 1999 Serbs refused only occupation of ALL of Yugoslavia by NATO and
referendum over Kosovo independence in 3 years.
(aaayyy, 4 November 2012 21:15)
While they were carrying truckloads of Albanians to the border and burning homes and villages. The thought then was stall enough until cleansing is complete then there would be no one left to negotiate with.
(think again, 5 November 2012 00:52)

It was after the bombing began - they had to move people from the vilages which the KLA turned into military bases and local civilians couldn't or didn't want to do anything with that - they didn't expell KLA fighters from their vilages that is.

UN and eu membership is just an old dream of kosovo’s that will never come true.

"Prishtina will also grant some sort of autonomy for the north of Kosovo. It'll be a win-win, or loss-loss situation for both sides.
(Kenny, 4 November 2012 14:47) "

Could be - giving north Kosovo the kind of autonomy Vojvodina has (i.e., in name only) probably wouldn't bother the Albanians. The Serbs, however, will probably hold out for the kind of autonomy the Native tribes have in the U.S. - they make their own laws, and no one comes on their land without their permission, including U.S. (State, Federal) police. These aren't tiny little patches of land, either - the largest (that of the Navajoes) is about the side of Serbia. The size could increase, since it's linked to the size of the population, which is growing.

“This was Serbia’s old dream. It’s a dream that will never come true. They got the answer from the democratic world,” he pointed out.
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LOL! An old dream to obtain autonomy for the north? I mean, anyone visiting the north would automatically recognise it as Serbia and not some old dream about autonomy. How old exactly is this dream because the UDD isn't that old is it? Were we dreaming about autonomy before the UDD? LOL! This guy is a joke.

(Nikolle, 4 November 2012 23:46)
You and Thaci are very much the same. You talk as if Kosovo is a mighty empire that surpasses the Romans and Brits when in fact it’s nothing but a little place with too many starving Albanians who can barely scratch out a living and if it wasn’t for EU aid. Kosovos official unemployment rate is 45% -that the part they count when in fact its anywhere between 75% and 80%
This is where they all come apart. The EU will not allow a large Islamic country in its environs; why do you think Turkey is being led around in circles??? It simply will NEVER join the EU.
Secondly you don’t have the MONEY – you know about money I can only guess? That stuff in your wallet that you need to buy goods and services???? Kosovo does not have and Albania does not have it.
You poor dumb and deluded individual, what do you think runs this world? Prayers to God, Allah or maybe Buddha? No its cold hard cash that done so since time immemorial.
However for our amusement do tell how Kosovo is going to serive on its own financially or what consequences will there be if it was allowed to join. Now remember don’t take into account EU help. Just show us how it’s going to work.
I was in your Albania 12 months ago and gee wasn’t it a dump. Two kilometers outside the capital and the villages still don’t have electricity or running water let alone a decent road.

I think we should accept that this land is Serbian first and foremost and we Albanians should stop making claim to the titles of this land.

We arrived here after Serbs and their monuments are proof of this. We on the other hand have no proof of our so called long existence here.

We also were not as brave as the Serbians under Ottoman rule and we converted to Islam and changed all our first and surnames because we couldn't stand up to the Turks with honour like the Serbians.

The least we could do is stop claiming independence and turning their religious birthplace into a mafia run drug and human trafficking hub of Europe.

I hope more Albanians will join me and see the light and speak the truth and stop supporting a global war machine (USA).

(Nikolle, 5 November 2012 10:46)
I see English is a second language for you. I know exactly what I am talking about and I have been in the business of finance now closer to 40 years so I have learnt a few things.
I write about what is feasible and realistic not fantasy unlike the rubbish you have written.
I hate to say it but you are a poor misguided fool. There is a crisis in the world not just Serbia or perhaps you don’t have a TV or radio.
At least the Serbian Minister are honest about their f financial situation unlike the US or EU who keep singing the greatness of their democracies but in the meantime standards of living spiral downhill – ever notice how the prices in super markets keep going up every month or two.
Yes it’s called an economic crisis.
I notice that you also addressed my question how Kosovo is going to survive financially with a rant that it’s not coming back to Serbia in 100 years. Here is some news for you the Russians will not tolerate having the American halfwits anywhere near South stream so its bye bye US.

we have been over all of that in other threads, i see no reason to repeat myself here. by the way, how do you know those Serbian officials are honest? what makes you so sure they too aren't lying, like those nasty evil Americans? don't forget to raise a toast to Albania on the 28th of this month, I will think of you when those fireworks light up Prishtina on said date :-)...to a hundred more...

Thaci is a murdering war criminal scumbag period!

The West is trying to force Serbs to live under Albanians?
Sounds rather unlikely to succeed...
Oh no! I wrote something pro-Serb. That must be quite scary for Serbs.

aaayyy, 4 November 2012 15:34)
Kind of have it backwards, the war and bombing was because the Serbs refused any kind of compromise. They wanted the land with no Albanians on it and would not accept less. For 12 years they insisted on the same
(think again, 4 November 2012 20:16)

No, in 1999 Serbs refused only occupation of ALL of Yugoslavia by NATO and
referendum over Kosovo independence in 3 years.

"Kosovo as a whole is part of Serbia,out from the Balkans all Muslims,greetings from Albania."

aww, how sweet. what about Buddhists, are they OK to stay in the Balkans? Greetings from Prishtina

@the "Albanian":

you say the "Serbs live with hate in their hearts" - but, please correct me if I´m wrong - as far as we´ve seen it has been solely serbian graves in the occupied part of KiM that were desecrated.

so either your compass doesn´t work propperly or you´re just talking nonsense here!

why are albanian graveyards untouched in the serb-inhabited parts of KiM? because the "Serbs live with hate in their hearts"???

come on, don´t make a fool of yourself with statements like that. it is simply too stupid, and nobody will believe you if you come up with such a bullshit.

it´s the Albanians who are being eaten up by their own hatred against all non-albanians in southern Serbia.

you are the ones, who are desecrating cemeteries, graves, churches and monasteries. it is YOU. and the whole world knows that. so better stop lying here.

Northern Kosovo was included into Kosovo province in Tito time , before it had been part of central Serbia.
(aaayyy, 5 November 2012 08:21)
You prefer to read the story only in the pages which are appropriate for you. We prefer to read the story in complete version, and especially in years when Balkan states were created, the moment from which comes the dispute we have today. See please the Vilayet of Kosova in years that is occupied by Serbia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kosovo03.png

This might be true, but there's no such thing as an independent and sovereign Kosovo, only a self-proclaimed pseudo state that only depends on donor money,cannot stand on its own feet and that has no chance to become a globally recognized state (UN member) like the other 193 states in the world..."

There's around 100 UN recognized states that cannot stand on their own feet, Serbia being one of them. as for self-proclaimed, well true, however, it is recognized by USA, Japan, Canada...pretty much all of the Western hemisphere. so you know...write something more intelligent than that

do you think you'll live to see your fantasy come to fruition Jovan? I mean, I sometimes feel sorry for the following posters: sj, Zoran, Ari Giold, Momlico, Peggy, Ivan, ecoman (though much less him)...all of whom are convinced that all Serbia has to do is wait and then you will get 'your' Kosmet back. some are even OK to wait a long time. well, waiting 500 years means none of you will live to see it, in short destined for disappointment. maybe rakia will sooth it better :-). in the mean time I will invite you to come down south to Prishtina (essentially Albania B and more than likely, Albania itself) and celebrate the 100th anniversary of Albania's independence.

Albanians are bla bla bla and Serbians are bla bla bla

Yes we get it the world is white and black and the 'other' are the devils and you are the angles and victims.

Now for those interested in public discourse analysis i can say that his statement is quite interesting because it hints at a possible Serbian stance on the issue.

Let me be more explicit... if he says that northern autonomy is a dream is not only pointing to his maximal position (which he would definitely give in exchange for recognition) but he is pointing to what should be of great concern to Serbs in terms of negotiating power; because if the Serb gov will really ask for northern autonomy it means that it has already recognized independence de facto and will de jure in the near future. One wouldn't ask for autonomy of a part that is considered part of the whole or even an autonomous part... there are no autonomyceptions if you will. His real message is that the Serbs have lost that little leverage of negotiating power that they had i.e. if that will be really their stance which i doubt frankly. Kosovo is not in play... the north and its future however... place your bets.

Nikole wrote "do you think you'll live to see your fantasy come to fruition Jovan?"

my dear k-albanian friend, first of all, I do not think it will take 500 years. the US of A are already experiencing a first smell of their downfall - since "Sandy" made clear to them that they cannot afford much more superpower-acting... actually the US have only three things left where they are the world´s no.1: in regard to the number of prison-inmates, the number of poeple believing in angels and in excessive military spending.
and as you will see tomorrow, the US are deeply divided, politically, with severe domestic political problems, not to forget their sky-high foreign debt.
that means they will sooner or later have to shut down military bases. and we will see whether you are so important to them as you would love to believe. =)
you asked whether I think I will witness your downfall? this is pretty much probable, although I cannot name you a certain date. but let´s just see what future brings!
I think you will change your tune, once you have grasped that you can´t prevent Serbia from taking back what is historically, morally and legally serbian.

and I think you´ll know already today that YOU are not a problem for the serb army, if they should ever be needed to pacify you little part-time rambo´s...

what you should keep in mind, my dear nikole, it took 500 years against the ottomans, a former empire. YOU will not be much of a problem. but I think you´ll not be so stupid try it...

LOL! This guy is a joke.
(Zoran, 4 November 2012 22:49)

Of course he is, which is why I'm so happy America puts so much support in him. This guy would get lost in an elevator if left alone for more than 10 minutes, so anything he says is little more than a smokescreen to cover what is usually the exact opposite of what's going to happen :)

I only had to stop and comment because the first commentator made a statement that just blew my mind -- he basically said that PM Hashim Thaci is a "FORMER terrorist".

Now I do ponder how does one become a former terrorist? You either are one, or not, full stop!

What is the label for your leaders which have met with PM Hashim Thaci?


You may consider my Premier a terrorist but to me he will always be a hero, a freedom fighter, and a founding father.


Tungi,

Northern Kosovo was included into Kosovo province in Tito time , before it had been part of central Serbia.

No one of Serbias "dreams" in the former YU-area became true. Therefore Thaci would be stupid to accept any kind of autonomy. It will come at maximum to a kind of little network in education and some aspects of health-service in some northern villages. Prishtina will get control over payments from Belgrade. And Prishtina will increase very fast the Albanian population there. At the end, there will be alos a Albanian population and at the Albanin "Flag day" some old Serbs in "national" costumes will hand over presents to the Albanian leaders like in China the national "minorities" at the Peoples Congress once a year. It is not a mistake of Thaci to follow the Albanian dreams. Its the problem of te Serbs not having strategic ideas and the knowledge or foreign support to realize them. With the border-control-agreement the West has fixed, that between Serbia and Northern Kososvo can not be developed a "single economic area". But the Serbs and also some people here are permanentely complaining about the conspiracy against Serbia. All was done with Serbias signature from Dayton to Kumanovo. Dont forget hwo Milosevic was speaking in Dayton (you can read it in details)about the Bosnian Serbs opposite the US-diplomats. How Dacic is speaking about the KS-Serbs opposite EU/US? Better not to know. Possibly Thaci is in this case more correct as the little "bosses" in Belgrade.

actually sj, i look nothing like thaci, nor for that matter do i think like him. as for you other points, we have been over them over 2000 times, repeating it all here again won't make a difference. but don't worry, we'll let you keep your dushan fantasy and lazar illusions (you know, the empire of heaven and all that) and we'll get on with life over here in Prishtina. oh but just so i indulge you some more, there's a section on B92, economic crisis is Serbia, click on it and see how its ministers (not yours, you're not a Serb you're an Aussie) are having to pledge that their country won't go bankrupt. next time you're in Albania, come to Kosova too and see the land of 'your' 'forefathers' and see that the empire of heaven is only a metaphor to be told in literary classes and not to be taken seriously. better find that elixir of eternal life sj, for the return of Kosova will be beyond your life and even if you live 100 more after, it'll be beyond those too.

I have been in the business of finance now closer to 40 years so I have learnt a few things. I write about what is feasible and realistic not fantasy unlike the rubbish you have written.
(sj, 5 November 2012 13:16)

Yes, it’s really disheartening that people don’t see the value of your preaching. If they did, they would have become rich, like me, by investing based on your excellent analysis as CE of the B92 forums and information that nobody knows except you and your legendary Malaysian friend.
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I hate to say it but you are a poor misguided fool. There is a crisis in the world not just Serbia or perhaps you don’t have a TV or radio.
(sj, 5 November 2012 13:16)

Hold on there… Yes, there is a crisis in the world, expect in the Russian and Chinese paradises :)
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At least the Serbian Minister are honest about their f financial situation unlike the US or EU who keep singing the greatness of their democracies but in the meantime standards of living spiral downhill
(sj, 5 November 2012 13:16)

I guess they need to sing the greatness of the Russian and Chinese democracies hoping to join their standard of living LOL
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I notice that you also addressed my question how Kosovo is going to survive financially with a rant that it’s not coming back to Serbia in 100 years.
(sj, 5 November 2012 13:16)

Sure, by joining that bankrupt failed state called Serbia, Kosovo is going to survive financially LOL

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

It was after the bombing began - they had to move people from the vilages which the KLA turned into military bases and local civilians couldn't or didn't want to do anything with that - they didn't expell KLA fighters from their vilages that is.
(aaayyy, 5 November 2012 11:52)

Yep, they were so concerned about the evacuation and well being of Albanians in Kosovo that they even sacrificed the Serbs in Belgrade (which was bombarded even more than Kosovo by the evil NATO) and did not evacuate them. It's so unfortunate that the world did not understand the titanic efforts that Serbia was making to save the life of Albanians in Kosovo.

A reminder for this person: Kosovo is a Serbian province ruled by UN per UNSC 1244!
(Ron, 4 November 2012 20:04)

Oh, you finally got it after 14 years that Serbia does not rule Kosovo and thus Kosovo is independent from Serbia.

No, in 1999 Serbs refused only occupation of ALL of Yugoslavia by NATO and
referendum over Kosovo independence in 3 years.
(aaayyy, 4 November 2012 21:15)
While they were carrying truckloads of Albanians to the border and burning homes and villages. The thought then was stall enough until cleansing is complete then there would be no one left to negotiate with.

It is pretty obvious that a deal has already been worked out (or perhaps mandated by the international powers involved).

Serbia is saying (every day) that it will not recognize Kosovo. Kosovo is saying that there will not be autonomy for the north.

Both sides are saying their lines, so that they can "compromise" and both sides will "lose something" and in the end, Serbia will recognize Kosovo and the north will have autonomy.

Bridge....god bless the ustasha?.....murderers of women and children, the old and infirm who cannot fight back, no bridge, god will damn the ustasha to hell where they and people like you belong.

You think about that and have a very nice day now.

“The idea that has been presented in the Serbian media will not come true in independent and sovereign Kosovo that has an extremely big support of the U.S. and the EU,” Thaci said.
Let him dream on.
Kosovo won't be a country if they won't give up territory.
It is only fair.

Serbia has lost a lot in yu war they are trying to lie to their people but most of Serbs don't even care for Kosovo they need food for they families not this crap from their corrupted politicians.

Serbia has lost a lot in yu war they are trying to lie to their people but most of Serbs don't even care for Kosovo they need food for they families not this crap from their corrupted politicians.
(Vito, 7 November 2012 14:48)
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Are Albanians now giving their children Serbian names?