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Friday, 02.11.2012.

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Official expects Belgrade, Priština to reach agreements

Director of the Office for Expert and Operational Affairs in the Belgrade-Priština dialogue Dejan Pavićević believes that agreements will be reached.

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Jovan

pre 11 godina

to "Ian" from the UK:

you´re lying to yourself if you´re really believing what you wrote.

well, if you think that the number of socalled "recognitions" will rise significantly after it halted araound some 90 countries... or let´s rather say some of them are real countries and a significant part of them is only some little islands in the pacific, fearing to lose US-american support if they don´t comply.

so, let´s be clear on this: reality is is rather the opposite - your "newborn" is a stillborn, and you´re trying to mask it with your wishful thinking.

but that won´t help you survive, my dear k-albanian friends. and don´t forget that the US won´t help you forever...

you will lose. it´s so certain as can be. and your helpless comments, wishful thinking and posted illusions here will not help you either.

you will lose. and that is good.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

(Comm. Parrisson, 2 November 2012 21:07)

Easily Achievable is based on how many countries would vote against Kosovo, 40 maybe? How many countries in the world are actually opposed to Kosovo? What do you think? Just because a country doesn't recognise doesn't necessarily mean it is opposed to Kosovo. I think most of the world doesn't want anything to do with this US-Russia proxy dispute. So take your 93 UN members which recognise Kosovo, add on a few more such as Greece who don't recognise Kosovo but would vote in favour plus there would be a fair few others which would vote like this as we saw with the IMF and World Bank. Then take into account the countries which would abstain from the vote, thus taking themselves out of the equation. 2/3 is more achievable, perhaps I shouldn't of used the adjective "easily". But my point still stands.
Ahh yes that who Pacolli bribing rubbish, it is just what Serbs tell themselves to lesser the blow each time a country recognises Kosovo; they don't feel as bad on the inside. But is there are truth in it? He isn't made of money.

The Russians on the other hand have been openly bribing countries from recognising Kosovo such as them nice nuclear Power Plants they built for Bangladesh and have been openly bribing them to recognises Abkazia & S.Ossetia. Nauru cost the Russians $50 Million to recognise AbSO, how much money do you think Pacolli has? He was a billionaire, but he must be in huge debt if he is bribing all these countries.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Membership requirements of the ITU is either being a UN Member or geting 2/3 votes, which is easily achievable. ... No Russian or Chinese veto there I'm affraid. "
(Ian, UK, 2 November 2012 15:57)

Correct. Method #1(for UN member states) Kosoov can forget about, so method #2 remains. But I wonder what your opinion about the '2/3 is easily achievable' is based on.

Well, if it is so 'easily achievable', why didn't Kosovo achieve a similar goal to be recognized by 2/3 of the UN members in the last 10 years, in spite of massive lobbying by Pacolli (i.e. bringing a suitcase filled with money for corrupt ministers of African Kingdoms and tropical Island states)?

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

"When asked how Priština's request to have its own country code could be resolved, he said that this was not only a matter of Belgrade and Priština and that the International Telecommunication Union had its own rules as well."

Yes the ITU does have it's own rules. It doesn't matter what Belgrade has to say about Kosovo and country codes regarding the ITU. Membership requirements of the ITU is either being a UN Member or geting 2/3 votes, which is easily achievable. It is here on the ITU website: http://www.itu.int/en/membership/Pages/member-states-membership.aspx
No Russian or Chinese veto there I'm affraid. In a few years Kosovo will have it's own country code for telephones, internet, satellite, radio ect.
Kosovo will be able to join many UN-Organ Organisations through this method, just like Palestine joined UNESCO where the US couldn't veto; Kosovo will do the same.

Therefore there is no point in Kosovo and Serbia discussing the issue.

Erik

pre 11 godina

When asked how Priština's request to have its own country code could be resolved, he said that this was not only a matter of Belgrade and Priština and that the International Telecommunication Union had its own rules as well.

But Nikolic underlined that Prishtina will become an UN-member and now ITU? If Serbia is seeing KS as part of Serbia it cannot accept a n extra country-code for Prishtina. This is not important for Prishtina, its only a step to proclaim the independence also within the UN-system. But Belgrade is ready for capitulation -like 1941?

Nick

pre 11 godina

“We will have to remain within the framework of some international conventions,” Pavićević said and added that “there is enough room for an agreement”.

OK, Belgrade is spaeking in his realtions with Kosovo about "internat. conventions"...what means: Kosovo is a subject of international law, an independent state.

Peter

pre 11 godina

Pavićević said that there would certainly be some preliminary agreement on a political level "

Is this the Political Basic Agreement which EU/US are demanding? It looks so.

Nick

pre 11 godina

“We will have to remain within the framework of some international conventions,” Pavićević said and added that “there is enough room for an agreement”.

OK, Belgrade is spaeking in his realtions with Kosovo about "internat. conventions"...what means: Kosovo is a subject of international law, an independent state.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

"When asked how Priština's request to have its own country code could be resolved, he said that this was not only a matter of Belgrade and Priština and that the International Telecommunication Union had its own rules as well."

Yes the ITU does have it's own rules. It doesn't matter what Belgrade has to say about Kosovo and country codes regarding the ITU. Membership requirements of the ITU is either being a UN Member or geting 2/3 votes, which is easily achievable. It is here on the ITU website: http://www.itu.int/en/membership/Pages/member-states-membership.aspx
No Russian or Chinese veto there I'm affraid. In a few years Kosovo will have it's own country code for telephones, internet, satellite, radio ect.
Kosovo will be able to join many UN-Organ Organisations through this method, just like Palestine joined UNESCO where the US couldn't veto; Kosovo will do the same.

Therefore there is no point in Kosovo and Serbia discussing the issue.

Peter

pre 11 godina

Pavićević said that there would certainly be some preliminary agreement on a political level "

Is this the Political Basic Agreement which EU/US are demanding? It looks so.

Erik

pre 11 godina

When asked how Priština's request to have its own country code could be resolved, he said that this was not only a matter of Belgrade and Priština and that the International Telecommunication Union had its own rules as well.

But Nikolic underlined that Prishtina will become an UN-member and now ITU? If Serbia is seeing KS as part of Serbia it cannot accept a n extra country-code for Prishtina. This is not important for Prishtina, its only a step to proclaim the independence also within the UN-system. But Belgrade is ready for capitulation -like 1941?

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Membership requirements of the ITU is either being a UN Member or geting 2/3 votes, which is easily achievable. ... No Russian or Chinese veto there I'm affraid. "
(Ian, UK, 2 November 2012 15:57)

Correct. Method #1(for UN member states) Kosoov can forget about, so method #2 remains. But I wonder what your opinion about the '2/3 is easily achievable' is based on.

Well, if it is so 'easily achievable', why didn't Kosovo achieve a similar goal to be recognized by 2/3 of the UN members in the last 10 years, in spite of massive lobbying by Pacolli (i.e. bringing a suitcase filled with money for corrupt ministers of African Kingdoms and tropical Island states)?

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

(Comm. Parrisson, 2 November 2012 21:07)

Easily Achievable is based on how many countries would vote against Kosovo, 40 maybe? How many countries in the world are actually opposed to Kosovo? What do you think? Just because a country doesn't recognise doesn't necessarily mean it is opposed to Kosovo. I think most of the world doesn't want anything to do with this US-Russia proxy dispute. So take your 93 UN members which recognise Kosovo, add on a few more such as Greece who don't recognise Kosovo but would vote in favour plus there would be a fair few others which would vote like this as we saw with the IMF and World Bank. Then take into account the countries which would abstain from the vote, thus taking themselves out of the equation. 2/3 is more achievable, perhaps I shouldn't of used the adjective "easily". But my point still stands.
Ahh yes that who Pacolli bribing rubbish, it is just what Serbs tell themselves to lesser the blow each time a country recognises Kosovo; they don't feel as bad on the inside. But is there are truth in it? He isn't made of money.

The Russians on the other hand have been openly bribing countries from recognising Kosovo such as them nice nuclear Power Plants they built for Bangladesh and have been openly bribing them to recognises Abkazia & S.Ossetia. Nauru cost the Russians $50 Million to recognise AbSO, how much money do you think Pacolli has? He was a billionaire, but he must be in huge debt if he is bribing all these countries.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

to "Ian" from the UK:

you´re lying to yourself if you´re really believing what you wrote.

well, if you think that the number of socalled "recognitions" will rise significantly after it halted araound some 90 countries... or let´s rather say some of them are real countries and a significant part of them is only some little islands in the pacific, fearing to lose US-american support if they don´t comply.

so, let´s be clear on this: reality is is rather the opposite - your "newborn" is a stillborn, and you´re trying to mask it with your wishful thinking.

but that won´t help you survive, my dear k-albanian friends. and don´t forget that the US won´t help you forever...

you will lose. it´s so certain as can be. and your helpless comments, wishful thinking and posted illusions here will not help you either.

you will lose. and that is good.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Membership requirements of the ITU is either being a UN Member or geting 2/3 votes, which is easily achievable. ... No Russian or Chinese veto there I'm affraid. "
(Ian, UK, 2 November 2012 15:57)

Correct. Method #1(for UN member states) Kosoov can forget about, so method #2 remains. But I wonder what your opinion about the '2/3 is easily achievable' is based on.

Well, if it is so 'easily achievable', why didn't Kosovo achieve a similar goal to be recognized by 2/3 of the UN members in the last 10 years, in spite of massive lobbying by Pacolli (i.e. bringing a suitcase filled with money for corrupt ministers of African Kingdoms and tropical Island states)?

Peter

pre 11 godina

Pavićević said that there would certainly be some preliminary agreement on a political level "

Is this the Political Basic Agreement which EU/US are demanding? It looks so.

Erik

pre 11 godina

When asked how Priština's request to have its own country code could be resolved, he said that this was not only a matter of Belgrade and Priština and that the International Telecommunication Union had its own rules as well.

But Nikolic underlined that Prishtina will become an UN-member and now ITU? If Serbia is seeing KS as part of Serbia it cannot accept a n extra country-code for Prishtina. This is not important for Prishtina, its only a step to proclaim the independence also within the UN-system. But Belgrade is ready for capitulation -like 1941?

Nick

pre 11 godina

“We will have to remain within the framework of some international conventions,” Pavićević said and added that “there is enough room for an agreement”.

OK, Belgrade is spaeking in his realtions with Kosovo about "internat. conventions"...what means: Kosovo is a subject of international law, an independent state.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

"When asked how Priština's request to have its own country code could be resolved, he said that this was not only a matter of Belgrade and Priština and that the International Telecommunication Union had its own rules as well."

Yes the ITU does have it's own rules. It doesn't matter what Belgrade has to say about Kosovo and country codes regarding the ITU. Membership requirements of the ITU is either being a UN Member or geting 2/3 votes, which is easily achievable. It is here on the ITU website: http://www.itu.int/en/membership/Pages/member-states-membership.aspx
No Russian or Chinese veto there I'm affraid. In a few years Kosovo will have it's own country code for telephones, internet, satellite, radio ect.
Kosovo will be able to join many UN-Organ Organisations through this method, just like Palestine joined UNESCO where the US couldn't veto; Kosovo will do the same.

Therefore there is no point in Kosovo and Serbia discussing the issue.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

(Comm. Parrisson, 2 November 2012 21:07)

Easily Achievable is based on how many countries would vote against Kosovo, 40 maybe? How many countries in the world are actually opposed to Kosovo? What do you think? Just because a country doesn't recognise doesn't necessarily mean it is opposed to Kosovo. I think most of the world doesn't want anything to do with this US-Russia proxy dispute. So take your 93 UN members which recognise Kosovo, add on a few more such as Greece who don't recognise Kosovo but would vote in favour plus there would be a fair few others which would vote like this as we saw with the IMF and World Bank. Then take into account the countries which would abstain from the vote, thus taking themselves out of the equation. 2/3 is more achievable, perhaps I shouldn't of used the adjective "easily". But my point still stands.
Ahh yes that who Pacolli bribing rubbish, it is just what Serbs tell themselves to lesser the blow each time a country recognises Kosovo; they don't feel as bad on the inside. But is there are truth in it? He isn't made of money.

The Russians on the other hand have been openly bribing countries from recognising Kosovo such as them nice nuclear Power Plants they built for Bangladesh and have been openly bribing them to recognises Abkazia & S.Ossetia. Nauru cost the Russians $50 Million to recognise AbSO, how much money do you think Pacolli has? He was a billionaire, but he must be in huge debt if he is bribing all these countries.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

to "Ian" from the UK:

you´re lying to yourself if you´re really believing what you wrote.

well, if you think that the number of socalled "recognitions" will rise significantly after it halted araound some 90 countries... or let´s rather say some of them are real countries and a significant part of them is only some little islands in the pacific, fearing to lose US-american support if they don´t comply.

so, let´s be clear on this: reality is is rather the opposite - your "newborn" is a stillborn, and you´re trying to mask it with your wishful thinking.

but that won´t help you survive, my dear k-albanian friends. and don´t forget that the US won´t help you forever...

you will lose. it´s so certain as can be. and your helpless comments, wishful thinking and posted illusions here will not help you either.

you will lose. and that is good.