“EU will lose Turkey if it doesn’t join by 2023”

SORRY ERDOGAN. YOU ARE NOT IN EUROPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Europe is dead wrong about Turkey. EU wants and needs Turkey on it's side. Turkey it's a secular country and in EU will remain strongly so. It has a vast army that can protect EU from the east. It has a booming economy & represents a lucrative market. It has great influence in the muslim world where it can advance EUs interest. Turkey owns some of the most feasible gas routes towards EU, it has a young, vibrant & productive population and workforce that EU will need.

Compared to Greece which has been a drain to the EU, the choice is a no-brainer.

Who is this joker anyway?
Does he really belive himself that Turkey would ever become a EU member??
Well, first pull out your military from the occupied EU country Cyprus. Then give independence to the 20 million Kurds (an own country ala "Kosova" would be nice also)
Then create a modern society, not the stoneage one you have, and then only you might get some association agreement with the EU, fine?

SORRY ERDOGAN. YOU ARE NOT IN EUROPE!!!…!!
(grobar1, 31 October 2012 14:33)

Neither is Cyprus.

SORRY ERDOGAN. YOU ARE NOT IN EUROPE!!!…!!
(grobar1, 31 October 2012 14:33)

Neither is Cyprus.
(Ian, UK, 31 October 2012 14:51)

Darn Ian, ya beat me to that comment. Just like Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Russia are geographically in or mostly in Asia, they play in UEFA an European league. Also they're in Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE). Hmmm What does it mean to be in Europe grobar1?

Turkey it's a secular country and in EU will remain strongly so. It has a vast army that can protect EU from the east. It has a booming economy & represents a lucrative market. It has great influence in the muslim world where it can advance EUs interest. Turkey owns some of the most feasible gas routes towards EU, it has a young, vibrant & productive population and workforce that EU will need.


(Denis, 31 October 2012 15:43)

Turkey is neither Western nor secular.Swapping the fez for the cylinder hat hasn't changed the head of the wearer in the least.True, Western mimicry the Turk has adopted to promote his old jihadist objectives which make him more dangerous than before.When Turks speak of peace they mean different than we Kafirs mean.First they rob and occupy countries,expell and exterminate nations and then denying anything and blame their victims and start talking about peacefull coexistence.

As to Turkey's booming economy its GDP is just one place above Gabon.Erdogan is boasting about Turkey's nominal GDP increasing by 2.5% this year but conveniently avoids mentioning that real GDP is falling if one takes into account the 11% inflation rate.

Turkey's huge army of conscripts hasn't managed to defeat the PKK let alone protect Europe.As far as energy is concerned Cyprus,with its huge gas finds,will go some way to satisfy Europe's energy needs.

Europe has more than 30 million unemployed so there is no need for Turkish labour coming into Europe.

Dennis
If turkey was such a great place why Albanians go to bankrupt Greece looking for work and not to Turkey?

"The European Union will lose Turkey if it doesn't grant it membership by 2023, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Tuesday."

Oh, what a loss. How will the EU survive without Turkey? And how did it survive so far?

"Turkey it's a secular country and in EU will remain strongly so. "
(Denis, 31 October 2012 15:43)

I would like ot believe you, but with elected politicians like the (former) islamist Erdogan I lost my hope. And the direction the Turkey moved to in the last decade under this president only confirms my doubts

Eu will loose Turkey! Sounds to me like Turkey is more desperate to join the Eu then the Eu is interested in having Turkey. Trust me, those countries the Eu want's to join will be able to join. Turkey should get the hint. Join the middle east where you belong.

Leonidas is 100% right on this one.The best that Turkey could ever get is a free trade agreement with the EU but it should never ever be granted full membership.

An elected President and Turkey's membership would save the EU.

Gotse from Ohrid
Even bankrupt, Greece is wealthier than your fake country will ever be.

So now Freemasons dress up openly, ah?!

Neither is Cyprus.
(Ian, UK, 31 October 2012 14:51)

Nor is the Falklands.

Darn Ian, ya beat me to that comment. Just like Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Russia are geographically in or mostly in Asia, they play in UEFA an European league. Also they're in Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE). Hmmm What does it mean to be in Europe grobar1?
(Mikel B., 31 October 2012 15:26)

Moscow is in Europe and the majority of the population is in European Russia, not in Siberia.
On the other hand Turkish Ankara is in Asia and most of the population is in Asia too, and Turks are muslims n Asians, that makes Turkey membership a joke. The truth is it's a carrot to try to civilize those savages into a modern trading country that doesn't go around genocide people for a hobby.

Europe is dead wrong about Turkey. EU wants and needs Turkey on it's side. Turkey it's a secular country and in EU will remain strongly so. It has a vast army that can protect EU from the east.
(Denis, 31 October 2012 15:43)

That secular Turkey is wonderful for Christians no? Whatever happened to those millions during those secular years?..
It's Turkey Europe needs protection from, Mongol hordes invading Europe n trying to forcibly convert it against its will to Islam.

Turkey will never ever be a EU Member.
Turkey will submit to Saudiarabia for support,
and by the way,
there will be no EU in 2023.

there will be no EU in 2023.
(Arn.Sweden., 1 November 2012 07:19)

Correct!

There'll be a USE instead!

Leonidas is 100% right on this one.The best that Turkey could ever get is a free trade agreement with the EU but it should never ever be granted full membership.
(luciano, 31 October 2012 22:58)

The latest CIA 50 yrs projections, listed Turkey as the next superpower in Europe. It is already the 17th largest economy in the world and growing fast. It's the 6th largest producer of automobiles in Europe, even above Italy. It maintains one of the largest armies in NATO and it owns nuclear weapons.Do you really want Turkey to be a leader of middle eastern countries?An ally of China and maybe Russia? Think for a min, cuz it wont hurt you.
If EU is not in good terms with Turkey, than EU is allienating a country with major gas routes. The other gas routes pass through Russia. So take your pick.

Edgoran is an idiot for weakening the secularist principles in Turkey, and thats why EU should be supportive of Turkey and not guide secular Turks towards an anti-european world.

This is typical old Europe, it never learns from its mistakes just like it did with Germany after WWI.
It accomodates millions of radical islamists who openly want to destroy EU, but it does not want to accept as a member a secular, modern & productive muslim country that can help them survive the islamic threat.

"As to Turkey's booming economy its GDP is just one place above Gabon.Erdogan is boasting about Turkey's nominal GDP increasing by 2.5% this year but conveniently avoids mentioning that real GDP is falling if one takes into account the 11% inflation rate.
Turkey's huge army of conscripts hasn't managed to defeat the PKK let alone protect Europe.As far as energy is concerned Cyprus,with its huge gas finds,will go some way to satisfy Europe's energy needs.
Europe has more than 30 million unemployed so there is no need for Turkish labour coming into Europe.
(Leonidas, 31 October 2012 21:02) "

Yes Turkey's booming GDP per capita may be equal to Gabon (Gabon is mega rich by African standards btw) but it is still double Serbia's, Bosnia's, Albania's, Kosovo's & Macedonia's and larger than Bulgaria's, Romania's & Montenegero's. Also Turkey has the 17th largest economy in the world. I don't think economics is an issue with Turkey.
Yes there may be millions of unemployed people in the EU but the Turkish labour force would be willing to do the c**p jobs which many unemployed are too bigheaded & proud to do.
For me Kurdistan can become independent, then Turkey would be more European. Turkey would be the Mediterranean Sea-Black Sea coastal state, linking the Balkans to the Caucasus in the very east of Europe. Not to mention that Turkey like Cyprus has loads of natural resources and can become even richer. Turkey has so much potential & the EU can help Turkey reach that.

Per se, I have no problems with Turkey joining the EU but the EU is a club that has certain rules if you want to join. Erdogan seems to think that the EU needs to change rather than Turkey. Does that mean Erdogan will push the EU to legalize the jailing of journalists who 'insult the state' for example? Turkey has over 100 journalists in prison.

Turkey needs fundamental reforms in almost all sectors of the state from justice and home affairs, to the protection of basic human rights as it is signed up to in the European Convention of Human Rights. It is not a pick and mix and the sweet shop.

As for Erdogan, this looks more like PR aimed at his domestic audience to cover up for other failings. He needs to get his reform of the turkish constitution adopted and bring in the Kurds from the cold. Time is running out as kurds in norther Iraq and Syria have unparalleled levels of freedom. They will not give this up willfully and Turkey has to offer it's own Kurds a reasonable deal. As for Turkey being a 'Super-power', does that mean it will eclipse the economic might of Germany?! It's a joke in poor taste. Cats could rule the world if they got organized but it is not going to happen.

Erdogan's chest beating is simply boring with his endless empty threats. Notice he doesn't comment on his "Or else...". Clean up at home first, then we will see what can be done.

"EU accomodates millions of radical islamists who openly want to destroy EU, "
Denis

How did you come up with that number Denis? The "millions of radical islamists", I mean.

Turkey has long began implementing a strategy on expanding their area of influence in both middle east and Europe.

Although it is in EUs benefit to have Turkey on their side, it doesent look it is going to happen.

Turkey is becoming a focal point in the middle east as a secure and stable country, whereas in the Balkans its funding the resurrection of its cultural heritage in countries such as BiH Kosovo and Macedonia and Albania.
It has already bought up Kosovo.
Turks bought Pristina Airport, are building 1bln EUR highway, privatized its power supply company and looking forward to lions share - The telecom.
Modern colonialism has changed its shape. Europe just doesent wanna hear about it, for whatever reason!

SORRY ERDOGAN. YOU ARE NOT IN EUROPE!!!…!!
(grobar1, 31 October 2012 14:33)

Neither is Cyprus.

Europe is dead wrong about Turkey. EU wants and needs Turkey on it's side. Turkey it's a secular country and in EU will remain strongly so. It has a vast army that can protect EU from the east. It has a booming economy & represents a lucrative market. It has great influence in the muslim world where it can advance EUs interest. Turkey owns some of the most feasible gas routes towards EU, it has a young, vibrant & productive population and workforce that EU will need.

Compared to Greece which has been a drain to the EU, the choice is a no-brainer.

An elected President and Turkey's membership would save the EU.

Leonidas is 100% right on this one.The best that Turkey could ever get is a free trade agreement with the EU but it should never ever be granted full membership.
(luciano, 31 October 2012 22:58)

The latest CIA 50 yrs projections, listed Turkey as the next superpower in Europe. It is already the 17th largest economy in the world and growing fast. It's the 6th largest producer of automobiles in Europe, even above Italy. It maintains one of the largest armies in NATO and it owns nuclear weapons.Do you really want Turkey to be a leader of middle eastern countries?An ally of China and maybe Russia? Think for a min, cuz it wont hurt you.
If EU is not in good terms with Turkey, than EU is allienating a country with major gas routes. The other gas routes pass through Russia. So take your pick.

Edgoran is an idiot for weakening the secularist principles in Turkey, and thats why EU should be supportive of Turkey and not guide secular Turks towards an anti-european world.

This is typical old Europe, it never learns from its mistakes just like it did with Germany after WWI.
It accomodates millions of radical islamists who openly want to destroy EU, but it does not want to accept as a member a secular, modern & productive muslim country that can help them survive the islamic threat.

SORRY ERDOGAN. YOU ARE NOT IN EUROPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who is this joker anyway?
Does he really belive himself that Turkey would ever become a EU member??
Well, first pull out your military from the occupied EU country Cyprus. Then give independence to the 20 million Kurds (an own country ala "Kosova" would be nice also)
Then create a modern society, not the stoneage one you have, and then only you might get some association agreement with the EU, fine?

"As to Turkey's booming economy its GDP is just one place above Gabon.Erdogan is boasting about Turkey's nominal GDP increasing by 2.5% this year but conveniently avoids mentioning that real GDP is falling if one takes into account the 11% inflation rate.
Turkey's huge army of conscripts hasn't managed to defeat the PKK let alone protect Europe.As far as energy is concerned Cyprus,with its huge gas finds,will go some way to satisfy Europe's energy needs.
Europe has more than 30 million unemployed so there is no need for Turkish labour coming into Europe.
(Leonidas, 31 October 2012 21:02) "

Yes Turkey's booming GDP per capita may be equal to Gabon (Gabon is mega rich by African standards btw) but it is still double Serbia's, Bosnia's, Albania's, Kosovo's & Macedonia's and larger than Bulgaria's, Romania's & Montenegero's. Also Turkey has the 17th largest economy in the world. I don't think economics is an issue with Turkey.
Yes there may be millions of unemployed people in the EU but the Turkish labour force would be willing to do the c**p jobs which many unemployed are too bigheaded & proud to do.
For me Kurdistan can become independent, then Turkey would be more European. Turkey would be the Mediterranean Sea-Black Sea coastal state, linking the Balkans to the Caucasus in the very east of Europe. Not to mention that Turkey like Cyprus has loads of natural resources and can become even richer. Turkey has so much potential & the EU can help Turkey reach that.

Turkey it's a secular country and in EU will remain strongly so. It has a vast army that can protect EU from the east. It has a booming economy & represents a lucrative market. It has great influence in the muslim world where it can advance EUs interest. Turkey owns some of the most feasible gas routes towards EU, it has a young, vibrant & productive population and workforce that EU will need.


(Denis, 31 October 2012 15:43)

Turkey is neither Western nor secular.Swapping the fez for the cylinder hat hasn't changed the head of the wearer in the least.True, Western mimicry the Turk has adopted to promote his old jihadist objectives which make him more dangerous than before.When Turks speak of peace they mean different than we Kafirs mean.First they rob and occupy countries,expell and exterminate nations and then denying anything and blame their victims and start talking about peacefull coexistence.

As to Turkey's booming economy its GDP is just one place above Gabon.Erdogan is boasting about Turkey's nominal GDP increasing by 2.5% this year but conveniently avoids mentioning that real GDP is falling if one takes into account the 11% inflation rate.

Turkey's huge army of conscripts hasn't managed to defeat the PKK let alone protect Europe.As far as energy is concerned Cyprus,with its huge gas finds,will go some way to satisfy Europe's energy needs.

Europe has more than 30 million unemployed so there is no need for Turkish labour coming into Europe.

Eu will loose Turkey! Sounds to me like Turkey is more desperate to join the Eu then the Eu is interested in having Turkey. Trust me, those countries the Eu want's to join will be able to join. Turkey should get the hint. Join the middle east where you belong.

Neither is Cyprus.
(Ian, UK, 31 October 2012 14:51)

Nor is the Falklands.

Darn Ian, ya beat me to that comment. Just like Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Russia are geographically in or mostly in Asia, they play in UEFA an European league. Also they're in Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE). Hmmm What does it mean to be in Europe grobar1?
(Mikel B., 31 October 2012 15:26)

Moscow is in Europe and the majority of the population is in European Russia, not in Siberia.
On the other hand Turkish Ankara is in Asia and most of the population is in Asia too, and Turks are muslims n Asians, that makes Turkey membership a joke. The truth is it's a carrot to try to civilize those savages into a modern trading country that doesn't go around genocide people for a hobby.

Europe is dead wrong about Turkey. EU wants and needs Turkey on it's side. Turkey it's a secular country and in EU will remain strongly so. It has a vast army that can protect EU from the east.
(Denis, 31 October 2012 15:43)

That secular Turkey is wonderful for Christians no? Whatever happened to those millions during those secular years?..
It's Turkey Europe needs protection from, Mongol hordes invading Europe n trying to forcibly convert it against its will to Islam.

Leonidas is 100% right on this one.The best that Turkey could ever get is a free trade agreement with the EU but it should never ever be granted full membership.

there will be no EU in 2023.
(Arn.Sweden., 1 November 2012 07:19)

Correct!

There'll be a USE instead!

So now Freemasons dress up openly, ah?!

SORRY ERDOGAN. YOU ARE NOT IN EUROPE!!!…!!
(grobar1, 31 October 2012 14:33)

Neither is Cyprus.
(Ian, UK, 31 October 2012 14:51)

Darn Ian, ya beat me to that comment. Just like Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Russia are geographically in or mostly in Asia, they play in UEFA an European league. Also they're in Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE). Hmmm What does it mean to be in Europe grobar1?

Dennis
If turkey was such a great place why Albanians go to bankrupt Greece looking for work and not to Turkey?

Per se, I have no problems with Turkey joining the EU but the EU is a club that has certain rules if you want to join. Erdogan seems to think that the EU needs to change rather than Turkey. Does that mean Erdogan will push the EU to legalize the jailing of journalists who 'insult the state' for example? Turkey has over 100 journalists in prison.

Turkey needs fundamental reforms in almost all sectors of the state from justice and home affairs, to the protection of basic human rights as it is signed up to in the European Convention of Human Rights. It is not a pick and mix and the sweet shop.

As for Erdogan, this looks more like PR aimed at his domestic audience to cover up for other failings. He needs to get his reform of the turkish constitution adopted and bring in the Kurds from the cold. Time is running out as kurds in norther Iraq and Syria have unparalleled levels of freedom. They will not give this up willfully and Turkey has to offer it's own Kurds a reasonable deal. As for Turkey being a 'Super-power', does that mean it will eclipse the economic might of Germany?! It's a joke in poor taste. Cats could rule the world if they got organized but it is not going to happen.

Erdogan's chest beating is simply boring with his endless empty threats. Notice he doesn't comment on his "Or else...". Clean up at home first, then we will see what can be done.

Gotse from Ohrid
Even bankrupt, Greece is wealthier than your fake country will ever be.

Turkey will never ever be a EU Member.
Turkey will submit to Saudiarabia for support,
and by the way,
there will be no EU in 2023.

"The European Union will lose Turkey if it doesn't grant it membership by 2023, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Tuesday."

Oh, what a loss. How will the EU survive without Turkey? And how did it survive so far?

"Turkey it's a secular country and in EU will remain strongly so. "
(Denis, 31 October 2012 15:43)

I would like ot believe you, but with elected politicians like the (former) islamist Erdogan I lost my hope. And the direction the Turkey moved to in the last decade under this president only confirms my doubts

"EU accomodates millions of radical islamists who openly want to destroy EU, "
Denis

How did you come up with that number Denis? The "millions of radical islamists", I mean.

Turkey has long began implementing a strategy on expanding their area of influence in both middle east and Europe.

Although it is in EUs benefit to have Turkey on their side, it doesent look it is going to happen.

Turkey is becoming a focal point in the middle east as a secure and stable country, whereas in the Balkans its funding the resurrection of its cultural heritage in countries such as BiH Kosovo and Macedonia and Albania.
It has already bought up Kosovo.
Turks bought Pristina Airport, are building 1bln EUR highway, privatized its power supply company and looking forward to lions share - The telecom.
Modern colonialism has changed its shape. Europe just doesent wanna hear about it, for whatever reason!