Nikolić attends Battle of Kumanovo anniversary celebration

This battle was not for freedom of serbs but was for the conquest of albanian lands. this batle dosent represent serb civilisation but serbs massacres of albanins and thats why this batle is a shamefull part of serbian colonisation ambitions!

This tells you Serbians politics are two faces which means EU,USA and rest of the world can not trust it, 99% what serbian say are lies this is good example for USA and EU to learnd from this.

This tells you Serbians politics are two faces which means EU,USA and rest of the world can not trust it, 99% what serbian say are lies this is good example for USA and EU to learnd from this.

Never herd of this "battle" before, maybe Nikolic wrote this in Serb history books night before he decided to visit Macedonia!
wow, it is amazing.

This tells you Serbians politics are two faces which means EU,USA and rest of the world can not trust it, 99% what serbian say are lies this is good example for USA and EU to learnd from this.
(Bahri, 28 October 2012 17:20)

I for one am flattered at your insecurity and fear toward Serbs. Its a compliment! Unfortunately your kind has nothing to fear for the time being.

But nobody knows what the future holds, my friend ;)

The Serbian army defeated the powerful Ottoman troops and brought freedom to old medieval Serbian areas after more than five centuries.


Really, Serbian areas or Serbian Empire?
So freedom from one Empire (Ottomans),and welcome to other one (Serbian Empire),right?!

Now the question is ,who has more right to the area,Roman Empire,Bizantine,Bulgar,Serb,Ottomans, or none of the above?!

(Really funny that I put Serbs on same category with those above,it is not even close).
The thing is that all of the above are invader hordes.All have left and the last one is in it's away living for good.

Too bad our internationals did not know about this date!Here they can see the true face of Serbian politicians...

IN 1912 the Serbian army liberated areas that were part of serbian medieval state , in fact the "macedonism" and TITO who gave substance to this old bulgarian idea had deprived from Serbian kingdom the medieval Serbian territories

Apparently, Kosovo Serbs used to say that the Serbian administrators after 1912 were even more corrupt than the hated Turks...
Ah well, all have left Kumanovo now. Whether in 50 years it will still be in Macedonia or then in Greater Albania, only time will tell.

i'm so glad ardi is such a word renowend, and schollarly historian. i too was unaware of this battle, yet somehow resolved myself to the assumption that my history knowledge is less than complete and read a bit about it. it reads as if it was written prior to yesterday, though perhaps ardi is also a specialist in dating documentation and photographs.

For the skeptics who read only albanian history books:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kumanovo

I find it amazing that people who never won anything of their own (not even their freedom) now claim ownership over everything. Albanians have come down from the hills, spread into neighbouring territories and are now laying claim to them. They may have powerful backers, but they are doing well trying to get every neighbour hostile - Greece, FYROM, Serbia and Montenegro. When the backers remove their support (as they definitely will - they are playing the Balkans peoples against each other) their ambitions and aggression may come back to haunt them.

I think that anyone laying claim to any part of the Balkans as purely theirs is missing the main point - various peoples have lived in these territories for centuries and will continue to do so. Conflicts help no one.

I wonder how many Serbs are aware of the fact that Leo Trotsky was a reporter during the Balkan War of 1912. you should read his account about the kind of 'liberation' the Servian army was engaged in in 1912

For the skeptics who read only albanian history books:
[link]
(Lone Wolf, 29 October 2012 04:05)
You are wrong! All the people that have minimal historical knowledge knows that Balkan wars was not a war against Ottoman Empire, but was a war for profiting from shrinking of Ottoman Empire.
For Bulgarian was a war of recreating Bulgarian Medieval Empire, Serbs recreating Serb Medieval Empire, Greek recreating Byzantine Empire. Was not a liberating war, but a Colonial war of Balkanic powers at that time with their respective support from Europeans powers at that time.
Read something alternative my friend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars

But nobody knows what the future holds, my friend ;)
(Ari Gold, 28 October 2012 19:42)

You absolutely wright Ari Gold. We also know that Serbia is bombed for only 78 days, who knows what will happen next time.
I am sure that if you start another war there will be no more Serbia or Serbians. All of your politicians think that being neutral is best politics, I am wonder what is that, that is bothering them?

This battle was not for freedom of serbs but was for the conquest of albanian lands. this batle dosent represent serb civilisation but serbs massacres of albanins and thats why this batle is a shamefull part of serbian colonisation ambitions!
(edi, 28 October 2012 23:16)

You Albanians were those,who under the protection of the Turks and now Westerners colonized Serb and Macedonian lands ,through terror,force etc. since 1690...

Once your protectors leave you will disappear from these places,nobody has a right to keep someone else`s stolen property!

BTW: New statistics show birtrates of Albanians dramatically falling in Maceodonia,they are concentrated mostly in the tetovo Valley and around Skopje which is so densely populated that they emigrate massively to Western countries!
Not to forget their fallin fertility rate!
Albanians now make up aroung 20-25% of Macedonias population and they will only stagnate and fall in the future!

In Southern Serbia they lost Medvedja and Bujanovac which are now majority Serb!

"I for one am flattered at your insecurity and fear toward Serbs."

Fear? Oh yes we have much to fear from you! All you do, as well as Jovan sj, CG, Zoran is keep flattering yourself about the future. Your points are all about, when NATO leaves, we waited 500 years etc etc. in short Ari Gold, you're wallowing in fantasy, cause reality is is this, Kosova is a separate entity from Serbia

dori,
a war for liberating one's land is a war of conquest by definition. as prior to that war the land was not yours and hense needed liberation from your side of the fense, yet those that are on the other side see it as a war of conquest. it is one thing to consider the actions of the british empire's conquests away from their island as such.
its all a matter of symantics. much like the notion of freedom fighter and terrorists are interchangable depending on the perspective one looks at it.

dori,
a war for liberating one's land is a war of conquest by definition. as prior to that war the land was not yours and hense needed liberation from your side of the fense, yet those that are on the other side see it as a war of conquest. it is one thing to consider the actions of the british empire's conquests away from their island as such.
its all a matter of symantics. much like the notion of freedom fighter and terrorists are interchangable depending on the perspective one looks at it.
(jonesy, 29 October 2012 14:39)
jonesy I agree completely that that was a war of conquest for Serbs. Is the Serb side that uses the wrong term liberation. What was really Serb the Vilayte of Belgrade was free from Ottomans at that times. So the accurate term for Serbs to use in that case is Colonial conquest of Serbia and they have to be proud for this. We Albanians agree completely with this term. The extreme hypocrisy is the term “liberation of medieval lands of Serbs where Serb are a small minority group”.
Nonsense!Anyway this lands are free now from Colonial Serbia.

but dori, if i understand your rational, one would classify the actions that albanian minorities have taken over the past few years as colonianlistic as well. the albanian populations that reside within the borders of another nation are making movements to increase the size of albanian territory through actions of independence. these lands may or may not be historical lands of albanian decendents. this argument has been played over and over again, and is not clear one way or the other. what is clear is that there is very little physical evidence left on such lands compared to the amount of physical evidence that might refute it.
if you say that these lands that were liberated by serbs in the balkans war was a minority serbian population, i'd be surprised as the available census figures show a relative split, or even slight majority of citzens who refered to themselves as serbian. the same actions you discredit then are being emplyed by a side which you support. there is where the hypocracy lies as well. it's not just one the other side of the fence.

dori,
a quick search showed that in the 19th century serbs (including islamic and cristian) outnumbered albanians (including islamic and christian) in kosovo. this was a time when the ottoman empire was the administrative lord. the ottomans are known for their high quality documentation, so these are figures one can trust. so, it may be longer than 100 years ago, but as you could agree at that point, when serbia was certainly not a colonizing nation, the population demographics showed a relative split between these two ethnic groups. but in the 100+ years that have passed, the demographics took a major change. in this change, one sees the empire building of the albanian ethnicity. one also can see this phenomenon by virtue of the majority of the oldest standing and surviving structures are of serbian construction, where as newer buildings are of yugoslav or albanian construction.

dori tirana, 29 October 2012 22:02)

Kosovo - until the war of 1878 Kosovo was majority Serb populated (70%)
Macedonia - Albanians never made up more than 20-25% they have today in Macedonia
Montenegro - We Montenegrins are Serbs,Albanians make up 4% of the population!

So the lands you pretend on are either someone elses lands where you form al small minority but want to take over in a fascist agression OR in the case of Kosovo you changed the ethnic structure by force with help oif the Ottomans and Westerners!

Kosovo,Macedonia and Montenegro are not Albanian territories and never will be,even Skadar (Scutari) you stole with the help of the Westerners from us Montenegrins,one day will give it back,we are not forgetting what is ours!

(jonesy, 29 October 2012 19:08)
Jonesy I don’t know what you have in your mind but I can tell you that never in no time the Serb had been a majority ethnic group in Kosova Macedonia and Montenegro. The Kingdom of Dusan has ruled this lands but as Ruler not as original ethnicity. Tell what land that Albanians pretend today they have not been the majority in the last 100 years.

The Serbian army defeated the powerful Ottoman troops and brought freedom to old medieval Serbian areas after more than five centuries.


Really, Serbian areas or Serbian Empire?
So freedom from one Empire (Ottomans),and welcome to other one (Serbian Empire),right?!

Now the question is ,who has more right to the area,Roman Empire,Bizantine,Bulgar,Serb,Ottomans, or none of the above?!

(Really funny that I put Serbs on same category with those above,it is not even close).
The thing is that all of the above are invader hordes.All have left and the last one is in it's away living for good.

Never herd of this "battle" before, maybe Nikolic wrote this in Serb history books night before he decided to visit Macedonia!
wow, it is amazing.

This tells you Serbians politics are two faces which means EU,USA and rest of the world can not trust it, 99% what serbian say are lies this is good example for USA and EU to learnd from this.

This tells you Serbians politics are two faces which means EU,USA and rest of the world can not trust it, 99% what serbian say are lies this is good example for USA and EU to learnd from this.

This battle was not for freedom of serbs but was for the conquest of albanian lands. this batle dosent represent serb civilisation but serbs massacres of albanins and thats why this batle is a shamefull part of serbian colonisation ambitions!

Too bad our internationals did not know about this date!Here they can see the true face of Serbian politicians...

This tells you Serbians politics are two faces which means EU,USA and rest of the world can not trust it, 99% what serbian say are lies this is good example for USA and EU to learnd from this.
(Bahri, 28 October 2012 17:20)

I for one am flattered at your insecurity and fear toward Serbs. Its a compliment! Unfortunately your kind has nothing to fear for the time being.

But nobody knows what the future holds, my friend ;)

Apparently, Kosovo Serbs used to say that the Serbian administrators after 1912 were even more corrupt than the hated Turks...
Ah well, all have left Kumanovo now. Whether in 50 years it will still be in Macedonia or then in Greater Albania, only time will tell.

IN 1912 the Serbian army liberated areas that were part of serbian medieval state , in fact the "macedonism" and TITO who gave substance to this old bulgarian idea had deprived from Serbian kingdom the medieval Serbian territories

i'm so glad ardi is such a word renowend, and schollarly historian. i too was unaware of this battle, yet somehow resolved myself to the assumption that my history knowledge is less than complete and read a bit about it. it reads as if it was written prior to yesterday, though perhaps ardi is also a specialist in dating documentation and photographs.

But nobody knows what the future holds, my friend ;)
(Ari Gold, 28 October 2012 19:42)

You absolutely wright Ari Gold. We also know that Serbia is bombed for only 78 days, who knows what will happen next time.
I am sure that if you start another war there will be no more Serbia or Serbians. All of your politicians think that being neutral is best politics, I am wonder what is that, that is bothering them?

This battle was not for freedom of serbs but was for the conquest of albanian lands. this batle dosent represent serb civilisation but serbs massacres of albanins and thats why this batle is a shamefull part of serbian colonisation ambitions!
(edi, 28 October 2012 23:16)

You Albanians were those,who under the protection of the Turks and now Westerners colonized Serb and Macedonian lands ,through terror,force etc. since 1690...

Once your protectors leave you will disappear from these places,nobody has a right to keep someone else`s stolen property!

BTW: New statistics show birtrates of Albanians dramatically falling in Maceodonia,they are concentrated mostly in the tetovo Valley and around Skopje which is so densely populated that they emigrate massively to Western countries!
Not to forget their fallin fertility rate!
Albanians now make up aroung 20-25% of Macedonias population and they will only stagnate and fall in the future!

In Southern Serbia they lost Medvedja and Bujanovac which are now majority Serb!

dori tirana, 29 October 2012 22:02)

Kosovo - until the war of 1878 Kosovo was majority Serb populated (70%)
Macedonia - Albanians never made up more than 20-25% they have today in Macedonia
Montenegro - We Montenegrins are Serbs,Albanians make up 4% of the population!

So the lands you pretend on are either someone elses lands where you form al small minority but want to take over in a fascist agression OR in the case of Kosovo you changed the ethnic structure by force with help oif the Ottomans and Westerners!

Kosovo,Macedonia and Montenegro are not Albanian territories and never will be,even Skadar (Scutari) you stole with the help of the Westerners from us Montenegrins,one day will give it back,we are not forgetting what is ours!

For the skeptics who read only albanian history books:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kumanovo

I find it amazing that people who never won anything of their own (not even their freedom) now claim ownership over everything. Albanians have come down from the hills, spread into neighbouring territories and are now laying claim to them. They may have powerful backers, but they are doing well trying to get every neighbour hostile - Greece, FYROM, Serbia and Montenegro. When the backers remove their support (as they definitely will - they are playing the Balkans peoples against each other) their ambitions and aggression may come back to haunt them.

I think that anyone laying claim to any part of the Balkans as purely theirs is missing the main point - various peoples have lived in these territories for centuries and will continue to do so. Conflicts help no one.

"I for one am flattered at your insecurity and fear toward Serbs."

Fear? Oh yes we have much to fear from you! All you do, as well as Jovan sj, CG, Zoran is keep flattering yourself about the future. Your points are all about, when NATO leaves, we waited 500 years etc etc. in short Ari Gold, you're wallowing in fantasy, cause reality is is this, Kosova is a separate entity from Serbia

I wonder how many Serbs are aware of the fact that Leo Trotsky was a reporter during the Balkan War of 1912. you should read his account about the kind of 'liberation' the Servian army was engaged in in 1912

For the skeptics who read only albanian history books:
[link]
(Lone Wolf, 29 October 2012 04:05)
You are wrong! All the people that have minimal historical knowledge knows that Balkan wars was not a war against Ottoman Empire, but was a war for profiting from shrinking of Ottoman Empire.
For Bulgarian was a war of recreating Bulgarian Medieval Empire, Serbs recreating Serb Medieval Empire, Greek recreating Byzantine Empire. Was not a liberating war, but a Colonial war of Balkanic powers at that time with their respective support from Europeans powers at that time.
Read something alternative my friend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars

dori,
a war for liberating one's land is a war of conquest by definition. as prior to that war the land was not yours and hense needed liberation from your side of the fense, yet those that are on the other side see it as a war of conquest. it is one thing to consider the actions of the british empire's conquests away from their island as such.
its all a matter of symantics. much like the notion of freedom fighter and terrorists are interchangable depending on the perspective one looks at it.
(jonesy, 29 October 2012 14:39)
jonesy I agree completely that that was a war of conquest for Serbs. Is the Serb side that uses the wrong term liberation. What was really Serb the Vilayte of Belgrade was free from Ottomans at that times. So the accurate term for Serbs to use in that case is Colonial conquest of Serbia and they have to be proud for this. We Albanians agree completely with this term. The extreme hypocrisy is the term “liberation of medieval lands of Serbs where Serb are a small minority group”.
Nonsense!Anyway this lands are free now from Colonial Serbia.

(jonesy, 29 October 2012 19:08)
Jonesy I don’t know what you have in your mind but I can tell you that never in no time the Serb had been a majority ethnic group in Kosova Macedonia and Montenegro. The Kingdom of Dusan has ruled this lands but as Ruler not as original ethnicity. Tell what land that Albanians pretend today they have not been the majority in the last 100 years.

dori,
a war for liberating one's land is a war of conquest by definition. as prior to that war the land was not yours and hense needed liberation from your side of the fense, yet those that are on the other side see it as a war of conquest. it is one thing to consider the actions of the british empire's conquests away from their island as such.
its all a matter of symantics. much like the notion of freedom fighter and terrorists are interchangable depending on the perspective one looks at it.

but dori, if i understand your rational, one would classify the actions that albanian minorities have taken over the past few years as colonianlistic as well. the albanian populations that reside within the borders of another nation are making movements to increase the size of albanian territory through actions of independence. these lands may or may not be historical lands of albanian decendents. this argument has been played over and over again, and is not clear one way or the other. what is clear is that there is very little physical evidence left on such lands compared to the amount of physical evidence that might refute it.
if you say that these lands that were liberated by serbs in the balkans war was a minority serbian population, i'd be surprised as the available census figures show a relative split, or even slight majority of citzens who refered to themselves as serbian. the same actions you discredit then are being emplyed by a side which you support. there is where the hypocracy lies as well. it's not just one the other side of the fence.

dori,
a quick search showed that in the 19th century serbs (including islamic and cristian) outnumbered albanians (including islamic and christian) in kosovo. this was a time when the ottoman empire was the administrative lord. the ottomans are known for their high quality documentation, so these are figures one can trust. so, it may be longer than 100 years ago, but as you could agree at that point, when serbia was certainly not a colonizing nation, the population demographics showed a relative split between these two ethnic groups. but in the 100+ years that have passed, the demographics took a major change. in this change, one sees the empire building of the albanian ethnicity. one also can see this phenomenon by virtue of the majority of the oldest standing and surviving structures are of serbian construction, where as newer buildings are of yugoslav or albanian construction.