It’s not hard to be Serbian patriot, mufti says

Kind words Mufti. Thanks. And I agree.

Orthodox are not able to live in coexistens with others.
(Nori, 25 October 2012 20:48)

Orthodox live well with others. Look at Vojvodina. Albanians can't live with anyone. Look at wherever they live.

Bayram Mubarek to Mufti and all people of islamic faith.

Vladimir,

I´m a Serb, a patriot but also agnostic. Not an atheist as I can´t disprove God but then again I can´t disprove the flying spaghetti monster, Gandalf or the Hobbits and that doesn´t really make it true does it. According to your statement I´m not a Serb as am not an orthodox christian.

A unification with Bosnia appears to make more sense.
(Hans, 25 October 2012 18:37)

Through Republika Srpska? Check your maps Hans. They're a bit different from when your grandfather was marching through the region.

How many Muslims live in Belgrade?
(c, 25 October 2012 18:36)

Alot, lot, lot more than Serbs living in Sarajevo mate.

A real serb is orthodox, period. Everyone else is not a Serb and cannot ever be! CCCC!
(Vladimir, 25 October 2012 20:02)

A Serb is anyone living in Serbia (or in the Balkans) showing allegiance to the state of Serbia. Is Cedomir Jovanovic or the b92 Otpor-ista's bigger Serbs than this guy? I'd say no.

This Mufti needs the utmost support from all Serbs. Meanwhile, we should follow Russia and Israel's method of dealing with the terrorists ran by Mufti Zukorlic and show absolutely no mercy. Starting with that criminal scum bag, the terrorists need to be rounded up, jailed and preferably executed or placed in work camps.

But the honorable Mufti Jusufspahic deserves all the praise in the world. May God bless him and all moderate Muslims, even though that seems to be a dying breed.

I fully agree with you, though you forgot one thing, a serb is also a chetnik!!!

Orthodox are not able to live in coexistens with others.
(Nori, 25 October 2012 20:48)
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First of all a chetnik is not something to be ashamed of. Who were chetniks? Do a little research and you will find that they were loyal to the king and not a Communist Tito and did NOT commit atrocities like their counterparts Ustashi who were loyal to Hitler.
So saying chetnik and Serb in the same sentence is not insulting however hard to try to make it.

Second, Serbs do live in harmony with others. How many different ethnic and religious groups live in Serbia? When you answer that, you will be able to see how ridiculous your unsubstantiated comment is.
Serbia is the one country there which has a biggest ethnic and religious mix. You show me where else there is more minorities. They all live peacefully, or would you like to distort that?

I think it's great that we have a mufti in Serbia who is not about inciting hatred and violence. Someone willing to live and let live.

How many Muslims live in Belgrade?
(c, 25 October 2012 18:36)
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How many Orthodox live in Sarajevo?
Do we have pockets of Orthodox living in Bosnia or have they all been driven out to RS?
How many pockets of Muslims, Bosniaks and Albanians live in Serbia by comparison?

Bayram Mubarek to all our Muslim friends.

A real serb is orthodox, period. Everyone else is not a Serb and cannot ever be! CCCC!

@ Vladimir

My God, religion, and church is the state of Serbia. Therefore I am a truer Serb then you will ever be.

I fully agree with you, though you forgot one thing, a serb is also a chetnik!!!

Orthodox are not able to live in coexistens with others.
(Nori, 25 October 2012 20:48)

We cannot be Chetniks because that was the Royalist Movement of WWII which formed the very first anti-Nazi guerrilla army in Europe. However, claiming that Chetnik heritage is nothing but an honor and more Serbs need to do so.

Those like "Seselj" who claims hes a modern day Chetnik and those who committed crimes and called themselves "Chetniks" have nothing to do with the heritage of that original movement.

Most people who fought in WWII have died so we can't be Chetniks. But we should completely rehabilitate and be proud of our patriotic past that was destroyed by the Titoists and Otpor-istas

Vladimir

You statement is ridiculous!! I am a Serb but I'm not orthodox, just because I'm not orthodox doesn't mean that I'm not Serbian, my father and his father and my ancestors were Serbian patriots and I have the same blood flowing through my veins as they did.

Your statement is not logical and quite frankly stupid. Your religion does not make you a patriot, it's what you have in your heart and how you act that makes you what you are, I am a Serb pal, what are you really??!!

Yes, but does the Sandzak really belong to Serbia? A unification with Bosnia appears to make more sense.

C simply asked how many Muslims live in Belgrade and are celebrating this Bayram.
According to 2011 census...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgrade#Demographics

"...religious communities in Belgrade. The Serbian Orthodox community is by far the largest, with 1,429,170 adherents. There are also 20,366 Muslims, 16,305 Roman Catholics, and 3,796 Protestants, 2,200 Jews, etc."

So, the answer would be 20,366. There could be more ethnic Albanians or Bosnians who did not declare any religious affiliation, and are therefor in "atheist" category.

How many Muslims live in Belgrade?

A real serb is orthodox, period. Everyone else is not a Serb and cannot ever be! CCCC!
(Vladimir, 25 October 2012 20:02)

I fully agree with you, though you forgot one thing, a serb is also a chetnik!!!

Orthodox are not able to live in coexistens with others.

A real serb is orthodox, period. Everyone else is not a Serb and cannot ever be! CCCC!
(Vladimir, 25 October 2012 20:02)
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Serbs and Croats are defined by their religion so it makes this a bit muddy. A Catholic living in Bosnia will say he is Croatian the same as an Orthodox will say they are Serb. A Catholic living in Serbia will say they are Croatian just like an Orthodox living in Croatia will say they are a Serb, so these two groups define themselves by religion and not geography. A person who has not been christened or who decides to be an athiest or agnostic coming from an Orthodox family is still considered a Serb becauuse of their heritage, same for the other group.

So yes, we can say that a Serb is defined by his religion because I can't see too many Muslims or Catholics in Serbia saying they are Serbs.

This man ought to be fully supported, any minority in Serbia which respects Serbia as their state ought to be shown respect in return. This is the attitude that should be encouraged, while the extremism of Zukorlic ought to be denounced and made to look as bad as it is. Zukorlic unlike Jusufspahic is truly anti-Serb and an enemy of the state. I can't disagree that Orthodox Christianity is very important to Serbian identity but if a Muslim such as Jusufspahic shows alliegance to the Serbian state then he should be welcomed, I must also make clear that during WWII the Chetniks did also have some Muslim fighters due to their loyalty to the King, such Muslims still recieve great respect from true Serbian Chetniks.

Ari Gold, I would however have to disagree that people cannot be Chetniks now, this is because the Chetnik movement still exists and members of it are Chetniks and should be regarded as such.

You are a Serb if your bloodline defines you as one or if you choose to define yourself as one. The politics of exclusion such as the one that Vladimir chooses has been detrimental to our society. I have often heard this kind of stupidity directed at Macedonians, Bosnians, etc and those who wished to be included in the Family of Serbs, but were denied. Such practices only strengthened our enemies, who where only too happy to accept those cast away. The day came when we needed all the help we could get and many turned us away.

It’s not hard to be Serbian patriot, mufti says

If the Turks invaded Serbia say tomorrow morning would the Mufti denouce the invasion...I don't think so !

I think it's great that we have a mufti in Serbia who is not about inciting hatred and violence. Someone willing to live and let live.
(Peggy

If only ortho serbs lived by the same mantra then things would be peaceful in the Balkans.

"Through Republika Srpska? "

The Republica Srpska will disappear and become a part of a more centrally governed Bosnia and Hercegovina very soon.

I Quote -

It’s not hard to be Serbian patriot, mufti says
Source: Beta, Tanjug
BELGRADE -- Loyalty to Allah does not exclude loyalty to Serbia, Belgrade Mufti Muhamed Jusufspahić has stated. ¨

Comment - Compare -

Its not hard to be a Bosnian Patriot.

Loyality to Allah does not exclude loyality to Bosnia.

Arn.Sweden.

@ Navi
Hahah and where exactly do we live Navi please enlighten me with your fantasies!?

"Through Republika Srpska? "

The Republica Srpska will disappear and become a part of a more centrally governed Bosnia and Hercegovina very soon.
(Hans, 26 October 2012 06:55)

RS is here to stay ,your Croats are disappearing while Muslims emigrate each year (25000) to third countries,so whole of Bosnia will over time become Serbian!

Peggy every time you feel the urge to educate me, just skip that i feeling im certin that you are in no position of teaching me anything. Im wery well acquainted with the chitnik history. And your point about a chetnik not nesserely being a bad thing is proof of something i already knew, that you are one of them. Its just like if a german said sympathizing with Hitler is not a bad thing, well i think a jew would disagree. There might have been a slight "nobility" for the serbian cause the second Chetniks were created but everything they have done beyond that point is utterly repoulsing and should bee something that you actually would not want to be associated with. And my topic was chetniks not ushtasha or hitler dont bring that in just to make a point, thats a totaly diffrent story and i as an albanian have nothing in common with ustasha, not interested my problem is with you serb. O and for me a chetnik is a very bad thing.

Ari Gold. There is a serious problem in todays serbia, i see so many attempts of washing out what Serbs have done without ever condeming it or extending an apologize, your image of serbs and serbia is not coherent with reality whatsoever.

I have already seen this. The Chinese Catholic Church makes this kind of statements too

You know whats funny? There are more Muslims living in Serbia than Montenegro, but Montenegro gets a lot of hate. Yes i know Serbia is a bigger country but Muslims more power in Serbia and control certain Cities that have a lot of land mass.

Yes, but does the Sandzak really belong to Serbia? A unification with Bosnia appears to make more sense.

A real serb is orthodox, period. Everyone else is not a Serb and cannot ever be! CCCC!

A real serb is orthodox, period. Everyone else is not a Serb and cannot ever be! CCCC!
(Vladimir, 25 October 2012 20:02)

I fully agree with you, though you forgot one thing, a serb is also a chetnik!!!

Orthodox are not able to live in coexistens with others.

"Through Republika Srpska? "

The Republica Srpska will disappear and become a part of a more centrally governed Bosnia and Hercegovina very soon.

I think it's great that we have a mufti in Serbia who is not about inciting hatred and violence. Someone willing to live and let live.
(Peggy

If only ortho serbs lived by the same mantra then things would be peaceful in the Balkans.

A unification with Bosnia appears to make more sense.
(Hans, 25 October 2012 18:37)

Through Republika Srpska? Check your maps Hans. They're a bit different from when your grandfather was marching through the region.

It’s not hard to be Serbian patriot, mufti says

If the Turks invaded Serbia say tomorrow morning would the Mufti denouce the invasion...I don't think so !

Kind words Mufti. Thanks. And I agree.

How many Muslims live in Belgrade?
(c, 25 October 2012 18:36)

Alot, lot, lot more than Serbs living in Sarajevo mate.

Bayram Mubarek to all our Muslim friends.

Ari Gold. There is a serious problem in todays serbia, i see so many attempts of washing out what Serbs have done without ever condeming it or extending an apologize, your image of serbs and serbia is not coherent with reality whatsoever.

How many Muslims live in Belgrade?

Orthodox are not able to live in coexistens with others.
(Nori, 25 October 2012 20:48)

Orthodox live well with others. Look at Vojvodina. Albanians can't live with anyone. Look at wherever they live.

Peggy every time you feel the urge to educate me, just skip that i feeling im certin that you are in no position of teaching me anything. Im wery well acquainted with the chitnik history. And your point about a chetnik not nesserely being a bad thing is proof of something i already knew, that you are one of them. Its just like if a german said sympathizing with Hitler is not a bad thing, well i think a jew would disagree. There might have been a slight "nobility" for the serbian cause the second Chetniks were created but everything they have done beyond that point is utterly repoulsing and should bee something that you actually would not want to be associated with. And my topic was chetniks not ushtasha or hitler dont bring that in just to make a point, thats a totaly diffrent story and i as an albanian have nothing in common with ustasha, not interested my problem is with you serb. O and for me a chetnik is a very bad thing.

@ Navi
Hahah and where exactly do we live Navi please enlighten me with your fantasies!?

Bayram Mubarek to Mufti and all people of islamic faith.

I fully agree with you, though you forgot one thing, a serb is also a chetnik!!!

Orthodox are not able to live in coexistens with others.
(Nori, 25 October 2012 20:48)
================================
First of all a chetnik is not something to be ashamed of. Who were chetniks? Do a little research and you will find that they were loyal to the king and not a Communist Tito and did NOT commit atrocities like their counterparts Ustashi who were loyal to Hitler.
So saying chetnik and Serb in the same sentence is not insulting however hard to try to make it.

Second, Serbs do live in harmony with others. How many different ethnic and religious groups live in Serbia? When you answer that, you will be able to see how ridiculous your unsubstantiated comment is.
Serbia is the one country there which has a biggest ethnic and religious mix. You show me where else there is more minorities. They all live peacefully, or would you like to distort that?

I think it's great that we have a mufti in Serbia who is not about inciting hatred and violence. Someone willing to live and let live.

A real serb is orthodox, period. Everyone else is not a Serb and cannot ever be! CCCC!
(Vladimir, 25 October 2012 20:02)

A Serb is anyone living in Serbia (or in the Balkans) showing allegiance to the state of Serbia. Is Cedomir Jovanovic or the b92 Otpor-ista's bigger Serbs than this guy? I'd say no.

This Mufti needs the utmost support from all Serbs. Meanwhile, we should follow Russia and Israel's method of dealing with the terrorists ran by Mufti Zukorlic and show absolutely no mercy. Starting with that criminal scum bag, the terrorists need to be rounded up, jailed and preferably executed or placed in work camps.

But the honorable Mufti Jusufspahic deserves all the praise in the world. May God bless him and all moderate Muslims, even though that seems to be a dying breed.

How many Muslims live in Belgrade?
(c, 25 October 2012 18:36)
=========================

How many Orthodox live in Sarajevo?
Do we have pockets of Orthodox living in Bosnia or have they all been driven out to RS?
How many pockets of Muslims, Bosniaks and Albanians live in Serbia by comparison?

@ Vladimir

My God, religion, and church is the state of Serbia. Therefore I am a truer Serb then you will ever be.

I Quote -

It’s not hard to be Serbian patriot, mufti says
Source: Beta, Tanjug
BELGRADE -- Loyalty to Allah does not exclude loyalty to Serbia, Belgrade Mufti Muhamed Jusufspahić has stated. ¨

Comment - Compare -

Its not hard to be a Bosnian Patriot.

Loyality to Allah does not exclude loyality to Bosnia.

Arn.Sweden.

"Through Republika Srpska? "

The Republica Srpska will disappear and become a part of a more centrally governed Bosnia and Hercegovina very soon.
(Hans, 26 October 2012 06:55)

RS is here to stay ,your Croats are disappearing while Muslims emigrate each year (25000) to third countries,so whole of Bosnia will over time become Serbian!

A real serb is orthodox, period. Everyone else is not a Serb and cannot ever be! CCCC!
(Vladimir, 25 October 2012 20:02)
=========================================

Serbs and Croats are defined by their religion so it makes this a bit muddy. A Catholic living in Bosnia will say he is Croatian the same as an Orthodox will say they are Serb. A Catholic living in Serbia will say they are Croatian just like an Orthodox living in Croatia will say they are a Serb, so these two groups define themselves by religion and not geography. A person who has not been christened or who decides to be an athiest or agnostic coming from an Orthodox family is still considered a Serb becauuse of their heritage, same for the other group.

So yes, we can say that a Serb is defined by his religion because I can't see too many Muslims or Catholics in Serbia saying they are Serbs.

I fully agree with you, though you forgot one thing, a serb is also a chetnik!!!

Orthodox are not able to live in coexistens with others.
(Nori, 25 October 2012 20:48)

We cannot be Chetniks because that was the Royalist Movement of WWII which formed the very first anti-Nazi guerrilla army in Europe. However, claiming that Chetnik heritage is nothing but an honor and more Serbs need to do so.

Those like "Seselj" who claims hes a modern day Chetnik and those who committed crimes and called themselves "Chetniks" have nothing to do with the heritage of that original movement.

Most people who fought in WWII have died so we can't be Chetniks. But we should completely rehabilitate and be proud of our patriotic past that was destroyed by the Titoists and Otpor-istas

You know whats funny? There are more Muslims living in Serbia than Montenegro, but Montenegro gets a lot of hate. Yes i know Serbia is a bigger country but Muslims more power in Serbia and control certain Cities that have a lot of land mass.

Vladimir,

I´m a Serb, a patriot but also agnostic. Not an atheist as I can´t disprove God but then again I can´t disprove the flying spaghetti monster, Gandalf or the Hobbits and that doesn´t really make it true does it. According to your statement I´m not a Serb as am not an orthodox christian.

Vladimir

You statement is ridiculous!! I am a Serb but I'm not orthodox, just because I'm not orthodox doesn't mean that I'm not Serbian, my father and his father and my ancestors were Serbian patriots and I have the same blood flowing through my veins as they did.

Your statement is not logical and quite frankly stupid. Your religion does not make you a patriot, it's what you have in your heart and how you act that makes you what you are, I am a Serb pal, what are you really??!!

C simply asked how many Muslims live in Belgrade and are celebrating this Bayram.
According to 2011 census...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgrade#Demographics

"...religious communities in Belgrade. The Serbian Orthodox community is by far the largest, with 1,429,170 adherents. There are also 20,366 Muslims, 16,305 Roman Catholics, and 3,796 Protestants, 2,200 Jews, etc."

So, the answer would be 20,366. There could be more ethnic Albanians or Bosnians who did not declare any religious affiliation, and are therefor in "atheist" category.

This man ought to be fully supported, any minority in Serbia which respects Serbia as their state ought to be shown respect in return. This is the attitude that should be encouraged, while the extremism of Zukorlic ought to be denounced and made to look as bad as it is. Zukorlic unlike Jusufspahic is truly anti-Serb and an enemy of the state. I can't disagree that Orthodox Christianity is very important to Serbian identity but if a Muslim such as Jusufspahic shows alliegance to the Serbian state then he should be welcomed, I must also make clear that during WWII the Chetniks did also have some Muslim fighters due to their loyalty to the King, such Muslims still recieve great respect from true Serbian Chetniks.

Ari Gold, I would however have to disagree that people cannot be Chetniks now, this is because the Chetnik movement still exists and members of it are Chetniks and should be regarded as such.

You are a Serb if your bloodline defines you as one or if you choose to define yourself as one. The politics of exclusion such as the one that Vladimir chooses has been detrimental to our society. I have often heard this kind of stupidity directed at Macedonians, Bosnians, etc and those who wished to be included in the Family of Serbs, but were denied. Such practices only strengthened our enemies, who where only too happy to accept those cast away. The day came when we needed all the help we could get and many turned us away.

I have already seen this. The Chinese Catholic Church makes this kind of statements too