If Serbia were to officially face the condition of "either EU or Kosovo", the country would give up on its intention to join the EU, says Tomislav Nikolić.
Serbia will join the EU when the brown cow jumps over the moon – it will never happen. Even the current polls show that the vast numbers in Serbia are opposed, then there is the simple fact whether the EU will survive. It is now accepted that due to the finical crises even if the EU survives it will be very different to what existed in say the 1990s. There is no benefit in joining the EU because the cash has run out – that was the only thing waived in front of ordinary people. Join and lots of money comes your way.
I’m not sure where you live to ask a question “how will Russia rule Europe?” Who has the energy reserves sets the rules. Why do you think the US went into Iraq? Free the people from a dictator or free the oil? Russia and China have the money; the EU does not – its as simple as that.
You cant run industry on hot air.
Its amazing that we have a lot of non Albanians on this website talking abut issues that should not really concern them.
However Serbia will probably be able to keep it's southern province of Northern Kosovo if Serbia recognises the independence of Kosovo South of the Ibar River, but Serbia best do it fast as the EU are becoming more admament about Northern Kosovo being unified witht the rest of Kosovo.
(Ian)
LOL! Albanians and their wishful thinking. Here is a message from someone you said helped the K*Albanian cause also. Check -> [link]
(Zoran, 16 October 2012 21:29)
what about that link/video....vuk?? please he is just a doll sitting in a chair...an dhe is talking about solving worlds problems its just funny to watch words coming from his mouth plus he is not gone be there for ever..one year and he is out body lol
That is exactly the analogy I used 3 years ago about Serbs losing Kosovo. I would have thought they would have progressed out of the denial stage by now but it takes some people longer.
(pss, 17 October 2012 11:35)
Yes you could have said that about 5 years ago, which would have been pre GFC, but since then the world has changed dramatically. In fact it has change to the point where the situation is reversing and the Albanians believe that the US is awash with money and near ready to pour billions into an independent Kosovo, but those days are over and with the current printing presses in the US working overtime its making the situation even more difficult.
Unfortunately most Americans now live in full denial that both major parties have brought your country to its knees and even this 3 big printing of cash does not spread hope amongst their economic experts. Who ever wins the November elections will have a catastrophe on their hands with a 17 trillion debt and a 120 trillion unfunded liability in areas of federal pensions for government workers and retired military etc.
I’m sorry to tell you but the EU does not recognize an independent Kosovo so what are you talking about. And the EU/US will do absolutely NOTHING about northern Kosovo. I find it so amusing that you Albanians get it wrong over and over and still make these silly predictions about using force.
The EU will just continue to mouth the same lines over and over again and do nothing. Anyway it will give the Albanians in Kosovo hope to keep them warm during the cold winter.
(sj, 17 October 2012 14:16)
I'll tell you what I'm talking about, the ability of any one EU emember to block/ veto a country from joining the organisation, ie Serbia.
I've said nothing about using force, if I have, please prove me wrong.
And I'm not an Albanian.
"The EU will just continue to mouth the same lines over and over again and do nothing."
The same can be said about Russia, China, Serbia ect. Therefore it is a naff argument.
I'm not the one making Predictions. You're the one in Mystic Meg Mode hovering your hands over a crystal ball telling us how Russia will rule Europe in several years time. Now that is amusing!
(Ian, UK, 17 October 2012 13:10)
I’m sorry to tell you but the EU does not recognize an independent Kosovo so what are you talking about. And the EU/US will do absolutely NOTHING about northern Kosovo. I find it so amusing that you Albanians get it wrong over and over and still make these silly predictions about using force.
The EU will just continue to mouth the same lines over and over again and do nothing. Anyway it will give the Albanians in Kosovo hope to keep them warm during the cold winter.
I haven't noticed you wish well for your Serbian neighbors. Oh, yes, you wish they gave up on Kosovo and live well without it ever after, how could I forget?
(aaayyy, 17 October 2012 12:29)
Spot on! Serbs will live well without their Kosova myth and If they ask forgiveness to Albanians for all their crimes since WWI in name of this myth, maybe new era of good relations between two neighbors will come.
I am not confusing Kosovo* and Northern Kosovo, I know that Serbian institutions are mostly in northern Kosovo. As I have already said several times I wish EU were able to admit both central Serbia and Kosovo* at the same time without focussing on Kosovo* status.
But unfortunately Germany is a leading country in EU, the country which is known by its "ability" to establish European stability. You can confront your past, but you cannot confront your genes... :) :(
(aaayyy, 17 October 2012 12:26)
I'm sorry, but I can see no way what-so-ever how Serbia can join the EU while it doesn't recognise one of it's neighbours, which is supported by the vast majority of the EU.
However Serbia will probably be able to keep it's southern province of Northern Kosovo if Serbia recognises the independence of Kosovo South of the Ibar River, but Serbia best do it fast as the EU are becoming more admament about Northern Kosovo being unified witht the rest of Kosovo. But it will be unfeasible for Serbia to become an EU member whilst refusing to recognise a neighbouring country. The EU is very wary of Serbia as Serbia isn't exactly known for being a factor of stability in the Balkans due to it being at war in the recent past with most of it's neighbours and/ or have issues/ disputes with a lot of them currently.
You still feel like foreigners in Europe family. I don’t know why.
(dori tirana, 16 October 2012 13:37)
It's interesting to hear something like that from an Albanian.
aaayyy
You are not Serb, you are not Albanian, you are proSerb and I have noted you are against EU. In identity is too important how you feel. We feel European and wish well for all our European neighbors. I cannot say the same thing for Serbs. Ask Zoran for example
(dori tirana, 17 October 2012 10:15)
I haven't noticed you wish well for your Serbian neighbors. Oh, yes, you wish they gave up on Kosovo and live well without it ever after, how could I forget?
You're confusing Kosovo with Northern Kosovo. They are two different entities. Northern Kosovo is de facto apart of Serbia, however Pristina claims it as apart of it's territory even though it isn't, as Pristina's borders end at the Ibar river. Northern Kosovo is subject to a territorial dispute between Kosovo and Serbia, a bit like Northern Ireland was subject to a territorial dispute between Ireland and the UK until 1998; however the EEC (EU) found a way of admitting both Ireland and the UK as members without focussing on disputed Northern Ireland. I'm sure the EU will be able to find a way of admitting both Kosovo and Serbia into the EU without focussing on disputed Northern Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 17 October 2012 10:03)
I am not confusing Kosovo* and Northern Kosovo, I know that Serbian institutions are mostly in northern Kosovo. As I have already said several times I wish EU were able to admit both central Serbia and Kosovo* at the same time without focussing on Kosovo* status.
But unfortunately Germany is a leading country in EU, the country which is known by its "ability" to establish European stability. You can confront your past, but you cannot confront your genes... :) :(
(pss, 17 October 2012 09:14)
I always give nice speeches. However, as history will prove later down the track that the US had their eye on Iraq for a long time. In fact the first time they went into that country under Bush senior it was a planned move giving Saddam Hussein the “green” light to take over Kuwait then back stab him by using that move as a pretext to launch Desert storm. Issues of national interests do not stop with a change of government; they either slow down or continue at the same rate as under the previous administration. Clinton was wary of invading where as George Bush, who is a clinical idiot went in boots and all and the US lost the war.
The US went into Kosovo not because of them being nice but to have a foothold there in its fight against the Russians in the energy cold war, which the US lost again. The US didn’t give a rats a*** about the Albanians; they just used them as an excuse. That’s reality, the rest about being humanitarian is pure BS. Look at the humanitarian way the US troops gunned down those innocent men in Iraq from a helicopter gunship which Wiki leaks released on internet.
If the US or west is so concerned about the Albanians then why have they not in the last 13 years opened any industry to soak up some of the official 45% unemployment? The UNSC 1244 is a dog’s breakfast as it should have been a horse but the committee gave us a camel. It’s a stalemate.
Western Interest in Serbia? Hah give me a break, Serbia has no resources the USA wants else they would've taken it by now... serbia total population is a fraction of the population of a large US city.. gimme a break, most people don't even know where the holy Serbia is
LOL
(John, 17 October 2012 10:17)
Of course most Americans would not know where Serbia is. If you gave a map of the US showing the states but with no names on it most Americans would not be able to identify their own states let alone name the others. Why Ronald Regan thought the Australia was Austria. On a recent occasion a map of Europe on Fox news had Serbia on the same spot as Slovakia.
And yes Serbia is rich in minerals, water resources, energy and arable lands – just for your information. Don’t say a Serb has not taught you anything.
When a doctor diagnoses say cancer in a patient that person goes through several stages; first its shock then its denial then acceptance - your Albanians are in denial; it can’t happen; it’s impossible.
(sj, 17 October 2012 01:00)
That is exactly the analogy I used 3 years ago about Serbs losing Kosovo. I would have thought they would have progressed out of the denial stage by now but it takes some people longer.
You still feel like foreigners in Europe family. I don’t know why.
(dori tirana, 16 October 2012 13:37)
It's interesting to hear something like that from an Albanian.
aaayyy
You are not Serb, you are not Albanian, you are proSerb and I have noted you are against EU. In identity is too important how you feel. We feel European and wish well for all our European neighbors. I cannot say the same thing for Serbs. Ask Zoran for example
Western Interest in Serbia? Hah give me a break, Serbia has no resources the USA wants else they would've taken it by now... serbia total population is a fraction of the population of a large US city.. gimme a break, most people don't even know where the holy Serbia is
LOL
1) Join the EU, dismantle all Serbian institutions in Kosovo and get ready to accept Serbian refugees from Kosovo.
2) Don't join the EU and keep Serbian institutions in Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 16 October 2012 21:23)
You're confusing Kosovo with Northern Kosovo. They are two different entities. Northern Kosovo is de facto apart of Serbia, however Pristina claims it as apart of it's territory even though it isn't, as Pristina's borders end at the Ibar river. Northern Kosovo is subject to a territorial dispute between Kosovo and Serbia, a bit like Northern Ireland was subject to a territorial dispute between Ireland and the UK until 1998; however the EEC (EU) found a way of admitting both Ireland and the UK as members without focussing on disputed Northern Ireland. I'm sure the EU will be able to find a way of admitting both Kosovo and Serbia into the EU without focussing on disputed Northern Kosovo.
The US spent too much time gloating over the fact that they had won the war and wanted a bigger prize – Iraq and were too busy preparing for that failed expedition. They wanted to take their time to teach the Serbs a lesson but time ran out for the Washington buffoons. Your now going to pick up the tab for the 17 trillion dollar corporation meal. Watch as your standard of living goes south faster and faster.
(sj, 17 October 2012 01:00)
Nice speech trying to prove my point that it was not and is not the goal to get rid of the Serbs but your facts are way off base --as usual.
The bombing ended in June of 1999 under Clinton who had no interest in going into Iraq. It was Bush who wanted to go to Iraq and he did not take office until 2001. And that did not happen until 2003. The goal of the war was to end the crusade against the Albanians that was it. Milosevic was given every chance to pull back. I know that it is a hard concept for you to grasp that anyone can do something humanitarian as it is a foreign concept, but I am sorry to disappoint you, it is true.
It was not about doing away with Serbs, it was not about minerals or a base in the area or pipelines. It was meant to stop the violence the whole reason that it was not put in 1244 that Kosovo would never be part of Serbia again.
"When a doctor diagnoses say cancer in a patient that person goes through several stages; first its shock then its denial then acceptance - your Albanians are in denial; it can’t happen; it’s impossible. "
--First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. You Serbs ignored us, then you laughed at us, then you fought us. Then we won.
When a doctor diagnoses say cancer in a patient that person goes through several stages; first its shock then its denial then acceptance - your Albanians are in denial; it can’t happen; it’s impossible.
The US and EU are printing more money right now and even your “western” controlled IMF has issued a press release saying its not a good idea as it risks the world economy into another recession. Try denying that one.
“If that were the goal they could have easily done it in 1999 when Russia was not a force to consider”
The US spent too much time gloating over the fact that they had won the war and wanted a bigger prize – Iraq and were too busy preparing for that failed expedition. They wanted to take their time to teach the Serbs a lesson but time ran out for the Washington buffoons. Your now going to pick up the tab for the 17 trillion dollar corporation meal. Watch as your standard of living goes south faster and faster.
I guess the magic number must be when less than 25 polticians on a daily basis make the claim that joining the EU is Serbia's number 1 goal then it is interpreted that there is no longer ANY interest. hehhe True Christmas is coming and we see a lot of begging coming from Belgrade.
(heyhey, 16 October 2012 14:47)
There is not enough room here to explain it to you. Bu let me quote part of a speech that the US Ambassaodr to South Vietnam made a coupe of months prior to the North taking over “We will not abandon our allies and will stay the true course of our convictions ……”
Until the vast Serbian people come to the conclusion that the EU is bunkum you will keep hearing these statements. I strongly recommend you wake up and see what’s happening around you – the entire world is in serious trouble not just Belgrade.
Nikolic is our man in Serbia.
Thanks to his nationalistic policy and anti EU anti USA stances, the Kosovo issue will end up much earlier in favour of Albanians, than if Tadic was in power.
(Mirel from Albania, 16 October 2012 20:14)
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LOL! Albanians and their wishful thinking. Here is a message from someone you said helped the K*Albanian cause also. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJL0SAmd9fw
Ah more obsessive Serbophobes, how's it like in Albania these days? Not bad enough to make you want to shoot yourself in the face...yet
You mention Hoolbroke and just as you said, hes dead. You think Western policy makers care more about Kosovo i Metohija than Hoolbrooke did? Of course not, he was one of the main cheerleaders behind the temporary occupation.
Western interest will continue to fade. Both because necessity and the fact there are larger fish to fry in the Middle East. Then your Hoolbrookes, Albrights ect. will be burning in hell to help you.
again the proserb comments are using derogatory terms for kosovo albanians but yet at the same time they are suggesting that kosovo under Serbia would enjoy all of the democratic rights and liberties .
Nikolic is our man in Serbia.
Thanks to his nationalistic policy and anti EU anti USA stances, the Kosovo issue will end up much earlier in favour of Albanians, than if Tadic was in power.
Thanks to his anti EU rantings, the last 5 members of EU will recognise Kosovo,as they did vote YES to bomb Serbia in 1999 when Milloshevich started ethnic cleansing against K-Alb.
Slovakia is moving toward recognision and if Nikolic continues to flirt with Putin,they certanly will isolate him.
Thank you Mr.Nikolic because your have worked for albanian cause ,more than Miloshevich.
I really dont understand what Nikolic is trying to accomplish. EU is not asking Serbia to choose EU or Kosovo its either EU or nothing. Mr. Hoolbrooke may he rest in peace made it clear to the Serbs long time ago that if you choose Kosovo you are getting neither. If you think for a minute that we Albanians are going to give up our freedom for your so called autonomy then perhaps you should continue to smoke more the same of what you been smoking and continue to remain delusional.
"It's been 11 years that we've been watching every wish of the (ethnic) Albanians getting fulfilled. This will no longer be so," he added.
So let's get even then. We kill ten thousand Serbs.Destroy every Serbian house.Rape your women.Force out of Kosovo all the Serbs.And after all this is done let's talk about getting some Serbian wishes fulfilled.
Yes EU Kosovo and metohja is gon for ever it's Albanian stats forget kosovo,it is beter for you Mr Fake President Nikolic go back to school,or live the job you'r not fit.serbija have beter educaters leaders,by by nikolic.
Mr Nikolic is right..its all in favor for the albanian side..all the negotiating, is just a ploy to keep pushing their status closer and closer technically, and nothing is given back to the Serbs. This has to stop. Its humorous how all you albos on here dont realize how small, i mean tiny, of a player you are in the balkans or the rest of the world. Reality will begin to settle in, which it has already. Instead of the EU telling Serbia to get lost..they keep finding ways to not encourage Serbia to just get off the EU patch officially. If they wanted to, they would have by now. I wonder why? Kosovo and albania r merely corrupt governments that pay a huge price for their protection. They would be incapable of defending themselves in any sort of conflict, so they sell their drugs, and pay people off. Politicians all over the world know this as well. as well as the common folk there.
There is no reason to back off..Kosovo and Metohija is still not a UN member, never will be, and they will suffer much more over time than the Serbs or Serbia will. the albos are simply dogs taking orders right now..and even their master wants to just open the gate, and let them run away free and not feed them anymore. Sooner or later, you will have to sit at that table with Serbia, and concede on issues. no one wants a corrupt Kosovo in the EU or part of any big family, period. this is no secret anymore. The cat is out of the bag.
To all you who believe NATO is all invincible and will never fall.
Remember these empires and you can guess the rest.
The Macedonians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Mongols, the Napoleonic empire, the British empire, Hitler's empire, the Soviet empire to name but a few, where are they now.....confined to the pages of history.
NATO is not the first empire and maybe not the last, but it will fall like the rest as all those who try to dominate the world do. You people who believe NATO won't fall will see it fall and in your lifetimes too, I defy anyone who says it won't.
Hey Tomislav Nikolić.Guess what you will lead People of Serbia no were no EU. So you really think you will get Kosova back I don’t thank so Kosova is Long gone from Serbia, Serbia will be empty handed no Kosova no EU if you smart a enough you go with EU oh maybe Russia will take you under there arms hahhaha.
You serious think any military action Serbia were to take today would be major task to deal with?
Russia is there to help if you were invaded which is not going to happen, I would not be so sure they will intervene if you become an agressor.
(pss, 16 October 2012 14:40)
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Did I say Serbia will intervene militarily? Personally, I just think that Albanians and Muslims will eventually become incompatible with South Eastern Europe and the rest of Europe for that matter. Whatever happens then God only knows.
The question is not " EU or Kosovo" but in fact is " EU or nothing" because Kosovo is already gone.
I really feel sorry for the regular serb people who still to this day get tricked by politicians who did so much destruction to Serbia itself and to the neighbors also.
You still feel like foreigners in Europe family. I don’t now why.
(dori tirana, 16 October 2012 13:37)
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It is quite simple. We are not boot lickers like Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims. Russia is there to help and not occupy. If Russia attempted to occupy us they would get the same treatment as Germans. Now go and lick a few more boots.
(Zoran, 16 October 2012 12:48)
You serious think any military action Serbia were to take today would be major task to deal with?
Russia is there to help if you were invaded which is not going to happen, I would not be so sure they will intervene if you become an agressor.
Its ever the same: the serb president is asking other countrieswhat will be happen with Kosovo and Serbia. USA, UK, F and Germany have recognized Kosovo as independent state. There is no way back. They are ALLIES of the Albanians. Albania is NATO-member and also EU-candidate. Either Serbia (what would be the best) would make a very long interim break to see what will be happen with the EU and with Serbia as stae or Serbia will be in an endless game whcih the country never can win about the little steps pro and contra concerning Kosovo. I guess the Serbs will not more hear about all the fake stories from Belgrade and abroad.
Serbia is no longer interested in joining the EU. Serbia no longer needs the EU as it now has a different benefactor – Moscow.
Wit he the EU stopping expansion Putin is smiling from ear to ear and singing “it’s begging to look like Christmas….” The South Stream pipeline is going through and controlling the EU is not too far away.
(sj, 16 October 2012 10:48)
I guess the magic number must be when less than 25 polticians on a daily basis make the claim that joining the EU is Serbia's number 1 goal then it is interpreted that there is no longer ANY interest. hehhe True Christmas is coming and we see a lot of begging coming from Belgrade.
"Why do you think NATO has not overrun the Serbs; it’s very easy as their numbers in that region are small???? People like you don’t believe it but wonder why nothing moves forward in Kosovo. It s because the west tells you how beautiful it looks and those things fall down around you should be ignored except listening to their propaganda." sj,
I know you have a different mentality. But try to think logically for once and tell me why would NATO want to "overrun the Serbs" The actions in Kosovo have been a nuisance for the last 3-4 years but nothing worth a military action.NATO has reacted to date in a manner to keep deaths and injuries to a minimum. Try to put yourself in a normal frame of mind, most of the world does not think they need to annhilate a people. No one feels that way about Serbs like you do Albanians, or at least NATO countries do not. If that were the goal they could have easily done it in 1999 when Russia was not a force to consider. As far as the rest of your garbage, it is that, pure and simple. NATO is still the strongest military force on the planet and they have the UNSC mandate to protect Kosovo from Serbian military and I am 100% sure they take that seriously and will not fail to act should that become necessary.
But I must say you need to work harder on your posts, I think you have competition as to the most outrageous posts of nonsense and Another JS has dethroned you.
"The goal is to find a solution that is not independence, and by and large reflects the essential autonomy guaranteed (to Kosovo) with (UNSC) Resolution 1244. "
Nikolic, it seems, has not understood what these talks are about yet. If Serbs go there thinking these will be talks about the status of Kosovo, they are in for a big surprise. Or maybe he is just lying.
On a different note, the pictures of Dacic and Thaci sitting in the same table, maybe even shaking hands, will be epic, hope B92 will post them.
If Scotland votes for independence it still wants to be an EU member. It is not quite so fragmentary as you argue and should not be used to justify your arguments.
It certainly has no ambitions to unify with Russia!! In fact, it currently wants to keep the pound and share military force with the (still united rest of the) UK.
Some in Scotland want independence - but it is not yet a foregone conclusion. The relationship between Scotland and the rest of the UK is not antagonistic. The push for independence comes largely from ambitious politicians and perhaps a certain amount of Scottish pride - but it does not originate from bitter ingrained resentments.
I personally hope very much that Scotland votes to remain part of the united United Kingdom.
@Zoran
The new cycle is slowly taking form. Karma is coming for a visit. The EU is fracturing while Russia's and China's influence is consolidating.
Zoran
Karma? I think you are right. Serbia is feeling the Karma physically (by losing one part of the territory that gain by force in WWI) and spiritually cause as I see all your generation will live all their life with desperation that they cannot get back their false myth Kosova.
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Scotland wants independence and so does Catalonia and the Basque region in Spain. Independence for Flanders in Belgium is gathering steam -> [link] and lets not forget the failed EU/US projects BiH and "kosova"*. Greece, Spain, Italy, Protugal and Ireland are on the verge of bankruptcy and Germany is facing a recession. Third class EU members Bulgaria and Romania are being denied Schengen access. Not looking good at all my friends.
Zoran
We say always that Serbs comes in Balkan from East (Russia,) but is not this problem. The problem is that after 13 centuries you have difficulties to integrate with West Europe Nations. Your desires for the bankrupt of all you European neighbors tell very well this. You still feel like foreigners in Europe family. I don’t now why.
Lol typical response of a politician from the Balkans. He knows well that this is all a lie but yet he must mantain "face". Time will tell if Serbia will become Eu member. But as far as Kosovo you can all forget it. Even the eu does no longer include its maps lol
I just wish Serbian politicians had the guts to acknowlege to their electorate that kosovo is lost. Accept that the majority of people living there do not want to be part of a Serbian State. If they were honest the process of separation had started long before NATO became involved. Serbia is part of Europe and always will be. Why set itself apart from those who wish to defend Serbs and always have done in the past. Wise counsel is saying accept international opinion. We will defence your right to secure international borders. Now have an honest conversation with your electorate who are crying out for change, jobs and proper health care.
Just as I have projected 2 days ago. There won't be a sane approach to the current situation by Serbian politicians. You can yell them the truth right into their faces and they still play dumb. A common practise we have been witness of since years. Obviously, the Serbian voters join this game by electing those parties. So there is more or less a silent agreement between government, parliament and people to continue this path, reducing the whole political development Serbia's to a bazar or more precisely a gamble. We saw that also when war criminals were used as currency for political goodwill in the West.
This whole situation explains why Nikolic does not want to mention what he was promising: Referendum. And I don't see many among the people complaining about that, because that would mean finally making a clear decision and not continuing the failing "Kosovo and EU" path and trying to postpone the inevitable to the unknown. That cowardice, however, will just make the situation worse for Serbia, while witnessing more and more funny moments where a prime minister tries publicly to bribe foreign governments as a result of failed internal and external policy.
Overall, the Serbian government presents itself as an embarrasing construct which is not willing or capable to solve any issues. EU must consider putting all activities with Serbia on ice and re-instate Visa requirements for Serbian citizens, until there is a government capable to make the hard decisions, if ever.
And I say if you think that NATO is going to stand at the gates and let Serbian troops roll in you are insane. This time it would be a primarily ground war but remember NATO does not need an approval this time to protect Kosovo, it already has one, UNSC1244.
(pss, 16 October 2012 11:33)
NATO is a defunct battle group that has lost a war to people living in mud huts and caves despite it having the most superior weapons and tactics. You don’t survive under those conditions. Once it leaves Afghanistan it will morph into a European security force without out the US as Washington will have its hands full trying to control its debt let alone worry about Kosovo.
NATO is finished. It can’t scratch itself without approval from the Russians. Why do you think NATO has not overrun the Serbs; it’s very easy as their numbers in that region are small???? People like you don’t believe it but wonder why nothing moves forward in Kosovo. It s because the west tells you how beautiful it looks and those things fall down around you should be ignored except listening to their propaganda.
With every day the EU’s financial position gets worse and you may have noticed that Nikolic has been making some statements never whispered before – these are not random but targeted. Give it six months and I say that the message will be loud and clear that Serbia is not joining the EU or what’s left of it.
If Serbia 'lost' Kosovo then you wouldn't be coming to a Serbia news site EVERY DAY, wasting your time and energy trying to tell us that we can't have Kosovo etc. If you were correct then you wouldn't come here to post. The fact is you're not correct and you're only trying to convince yourselves of what you'r'e saying because none of us care or agree with anything you say :)
Nikolic is a sentimental old fool who is not acting in the best interest of the people of Serbia. Lets face it, we all know Kosovo is a lost case, whether Nikolic recognises independence or not. Talks will not bring Kosovo back and nor will an other war. Kosovo will never be returned to Serbia as was. Kosovo has been an autonomous region since 1971. Autonomy means the right to self government and self determination and this is exactly what the majority of Kosovars have chosen.
Instead of proclaiming no EU without Kosovo, which will make him only enemies and does Serbia no good whatsoever, Nikolic really ought to be negotiating protection for its holy sites and monasteries and the Serbs who live there. At the same time he should engage the EU into a similar conversation to see to it that Serbs are guaranteed free passage to and from their holy lands and family.
If he was smart(er) he could 'play' and please all sides.
He could go down in history as the man who brokered a deal with Kosovo, as the man who achieved lasting peace within the region. The EU would thank him for it and put Serbia on a fast track program of investments, grants and benefits. Everyone is a winner!
In the interest of all people of the Balkans Nikolic could and should strive to be a bit more like (diplomatic) Tito and a lot less than (radical) Milosevic.
Lets see if he is that smart.
And I say if you think that NATO is going to stand at the gates and let Serbian troops roll in you are insane. This time it would be a primarily ground war but remember NATO does not need an approval this time to protect Kosovo, it already has one, UNSC1244.
(pss, 16 October 2012 11:33)
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My friend, NATO will have much bigger concerns in Turkey and the Middle East soon. The EU will have huge internal issues. If there is much unrest, as expected, there will be nobody to protect "Kosova"*.
Just watch as the geopolitical situation changes. One step at a time. All eyes on Turkey. This is evolving much quicker than expected.
but if you believe NATO would in 2012 bomb Serbia over Kosovo i Metohija then you are mentally insane.
Your sick desire for the subjugation and oppression of the Serbian people is apparent, but you look like a fool when you try to let this thirst for Serbian submission to get into the way of logic and reality.
(Ari Gold, 16 October 2012 11:06)
And I say if you think that NATO is going to stand at the gates and let Serbian troops roll in you are insane. This time it would be a primarily ground war but remember NATO does not need an approval this time to protect Kosovo, it already has one, UNSC1244.
What is he waiting for? Everyone knows that for Serbia to enter the EU, they have to accept Kosovos independence. It might not be a official condition, but its also no secret. So dont play dumb and put your money where your mouth is and pull back Serbias EU wish. To make it even clear, let the people vote if they want to join the EU under these conditions, because apparently they dont since they found out that a prosper and healthy life is waiting for them if they look in Russias and Chinas direction.
But please, for the love of god, allah, christ, buddah, vishnu and the flying spaghetti monster: do something and stop talking about it.
I guess if you really want to move away fro the EU, and join Russia and china and see if your standard of living will drop or rise for the ordinary citizen. Take a tour of these countries and see how the average person lives then make up your mind
Y-ou'd be mentally insane to think that Serbia would be able to use military force to take land which Serbia claims and 92 UN member states offically recognise as an independent country and majority who don't recognise, consider it to be a de facto independent state.
And no the Western media doesn't portray the Serbian people as Nazis, only certain former politicians and/or military leaders; and I think that is justified due to their extreme right wing nationalist views & their involvement in the systematic killing of others on the grounds of ethnicity. Also Anti-semitism has nothing to do with anything here.
I don't think the West would bomb Serbia if Serbia tried to take Kosovo by military force, but they'd sure repel any Serbian invasion of Kosovo. Anyway people are starving in Serbia & the country is almost bankrupt, Serbia isn't in a position to take Kosovo by force.
Also I don't have a "sick desire for the subjugation and oppression of the Serbian people". Can you please back up such claims? Give examples too?
I've always advocated for Serbia to recognise Kosovo south of the Ibar River and to allow Northern Kosovo & the majority of the RS join Serbia. Why would I advocate that if I have a "sick desire for the subjugation and oppression of the Serbian people"?
You're just claiming such silly things because I disagree with some Serbian Politicians on some political issues. I have nothing against the Serbian people.
Ha the DS is just waiting for Nikolic to make a fool of him self. And it will not take a long time lol..
If he " say no" to EU the Serbian people will throw him out of office when they understand that they will starve. Just like they did to Milosevic. It's delusional to think that Russia will help Serbia to feed it self when they cannot their own people. The other scenario is for Nikolic to recognize Kosova so the DS would not do the dirty job. This way Nikolic will lose public support as DS would use this in their advantage. Whatever SNS does still in the next election DS will win.
Nikolic is weak and is in power just because of his nationalistisk views on Kosova. Just like Milosevic. The different if that Nikolic dont know how to behave and have no actionplan.Just reamember his pathetic "hungerstrike". He wrelly dont look as an President.
If Nikolic dont recognize Kosova then when The Serbian people starve DS will come, recognize Kosova , become an EU member and save the serbian people.
Nikolic is an loser and have no other way to go. He has no option but to lose. This mandate will be the only mandate he will get and the end of his political carriere. Maybee it's even his plan so he can be wroten in the historic bools as being the president of Serbia who diden't recognize Kosova despite the Serbian people starving to death. An true man of honor".
Serbia has no other way but to recognize Kosova. Serbia is surrounded by EU country's so Russia is far away.
Yea, say no to EU
and increase the taxes some more, lower the wages of public employees, raise gas prices, and continue screwing the lives of everyday citisens for your dear kosovo, a place that was lost over a decade ago already.
pathetic.
(deki, 16 October 2012 10:26)
You have no idea what you are talking about. Raising taxes? Nothing has cost the Serbian tax payer more than chasing the EU pipedream. An Eu ambassador, an ambassador to all EU countries, a minister of EU integration, an EU integration office, representative's to the OSCE, Council of Europe and NATO......
The money to support Kosovo i Methoija has indeed been spent inappropriately. But what do you expect when the Serbian fifth columnists have done more for the occupation of Kosovo i Metohija than any Albanian ever could. It's not over though, Serbs can still take their country back from the Otpor-ista's (last generation they were Titoists)..its far from over.
But thank you for your concern over how Serbia spends its time and its money. Seems that you, Ian and Lenard care more about Serbia than its own government.
I hope this is true, the EU is a lost cause, Kosovo however is not.
Deki, if you really think that joining the EU will lower your taxes and increase your wage then you really are pretty thick. Another one of these deluded fools who thinks that the EU is the land of milk and honey.
Just wait for couple of years and the people of Serbia will get tired of this monkey and choose another president.
Serbia needs a president who can say to it's people " We have lost kosovo. We can't go to war because we have NATO there. When NATO leaves can you ( people ) support the war? " if the people say yes, let it be known then.
You really have no basis to say that it is impossible for Serbia to reclaim its internationally recognized borders in the future. Things change in the world and that is already apparent with the undeniable fact that the West would not shower Belgrade with bombs this very movement if Serbia decided to capture its internationally recognized borders and lift the occupation.
You can say there would be sanctions, supplying weapons to Albanian terrorists and another attempt by the Western media to villainize Serbs as Nazi's (which is laughable, historically inaccurate and covertly anti-Semitic)...but if you believe NATO would in 2012 bomb Serbia over Kosovo i Metohija then you are mentally insane.
Your sick desire for the subjugation and oppression of the Serbian people is apparent, but you look like a fool when you try to let this thirst for Serbian submission to get into the way of logic and reality.
Well, I like what I'm hearing from this government and the action to back it up is slowly coming together. Firstly protecting our sovereignty and combating crime while seeking viable investments and taking out loans for infrastructure projects (such as toll roads, transportation, etc..).
The new cycle is slowly taking form. Karma is coming for a visit. The EU is fracturing while Russia's and China's influence is consolidating.
Scotland wants independence and so does Catalonia and the Basque region in Spain. Independence for Flanders in Belgium is gathering steam -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19943890 and lets not forget the failed EU/US projects BiH and "kosova"*. Greece, Spain, Italy, Protugal and Ireland are on the verge of bankruptcy and Germany is facing a recession. Third class EU members Bulgaria and Romania are being denied Schengen access. Not looking good at all my friends.
However, on the other side we can see powers consolidating around Russia. The Ukraine kicked out their Western facing government some time ago while recently Serbia did the same along with Georgia. It is a slow process but everything is taking form.
My only advice to Nikolic would be to take things slowly. Smile and nod at the EU but look after Serbia's interests. Is it fairly obvious Germany is getting upset and angry.
Yea, say no to EU
and increase the taxes some more, lower the wages of public employees, raise gas prices, and continue screwing the lives of everyday citisens for your dear kosovo, a place that was lost over a decade ago already.
Now it’s official that Serbia will not let Kosovo go nor will it be exchanged for EU membership (Lord only knows what benefits now exists in joining this near defunct group). This is only the start as Belgrade’s policy change will become even clearer during the coming months and the EU’s only response will be the same convoluted messages of “no EU until you recognize…..”
The pressure is now on Brussels. Let’s be honest about this matter – Serbia is no longer interested in joining the EU. Serbia no longer needs the EU as it now has a different benefactor – Moscow.
Wit he the EU stopping expansion Putin is smiling from ear to ear and singing “it’s begging to look like Christmas….” The South Stream pipeline is going through and controlling the EU is not too far away.
As long as no one "officially" asks then Serbia will proceed knowing that in the end it will be the same. It is either EU and no Kosovo or No EU and No Kosovo. Two choices make it and move on. Having EU and Kosovo or Not having EU and having Kosovo are not options, and only a fool, which I understand there are many here, think they are possibilities.
The politicians know this and only insult Serbian intelligence by saying otherwise.
At last a Serbian taking the lead rather than following EU double speak. I bet they do not confront the statement and keep their cards close to their chests.
The funny thing is that Serbia is saving Europe with its principled stance. If Kosovo was acceptable then soon we would see the break up of Spain with Kosovo as a precedent and then who knows where it would end.
So this confirms that Serbia won't be joining the EU then.
Nikolic and co have to realise that they have two options.
1) Join the EU and don't have Kosovo.
2) Don't join the EU and don't have Kosovo.
Of course Nikolic and friends already know this, they just don't dare admit it to the Serbian electorate in fear of losing support. And in the process Serbia will be getting left behind.
So this confirms that Serbia won't be joining the EU then.
Nikolic and co have to realise that they have two options.
1) Join the EU and don't have Kosovo.
2) Don't join the EU and don't have Kosovo.
Of course Nikolic and friends already know this, they just don't dare admit it to the Serbian electorate in fear of losing support. And in the process Serbia will be getting left behind.
Yea, say no to EU
and increase the taxes some more, lower the wages of public employees, raise gas prices, and continue screwing the lives of everyday citisens for your dear kosovo, a place that was lost over a decade ago already.
As long as no one "officially" asks then Serbia will proceed knowing that in the end it will be the same. It is either EU and no Kosovo or No EU and No Kosovo. Two choices make it and move on. Having EU and Kosovo or Not having EU and having Kosovo are not options, and only a fool, which I understand there are many here, think they are possibilities.
The politicians know this and only insult Serbian intelligence by saying otherwise.
You really have no basis to say that it is impossible for Serbia to reclaim its internationally recognized borders in the future. Things change in the world and that is already apparent with the undeniable fact that the West would not shower Belgrade with bombs this very movement if Serbia decided to capture its internationally recognized borders and lift the occupation.
You can say there would be sanctions, supplying weapons to Albanian terrorists and another attempt by the Western media to villainize Serbs as Nazi's (which is laughable, historically inaccurate and covertly anti-Semitic)...but if you believe NATO would in 2012 bomb Serbia over Kosovo i Metohija then you are mentally insane.
Your sick desire for the subjugation and oppression of the Serbian people is apparent, but you look like a fool when you try to let this thirst for Serbian submission to get into the way of logic and reality.
but if you believe NATO would in 2012 bomb Serbia over Kosovo i Metohija then you are mentally insane.
Your sick desire for the subjugation and oppression of the Serbian people is apparent, but you look like a fool when you try to let this thirst for Serbian submission to get into the way of logic and reality.
(Ari Gold, 16 October 2012 11:06)
And I say if you think that NATO is going to stand at the gates and let Serbian troops roll in you are insane. This time it would be a primarily ground war but remember NATO does not need an approval this time to protect Kosovo, it already has one, UNSC1244.
The question is not " EU or Kosovo" but in fact is " EU or nothing" because Kosovo is already gone.
I really feel sorry for the regular serb people who still to this day get tricked by politicians who did so much destruction to Serbia itself and to the neighbors also.
What is he waiting for? Everyone knows that for Serbia to enter the EU, they have to accept Kosovos independence. It might not be a official condition, but its also no secret. So dont play dumb and put your money where your mouth is and pull back Serbias EU wish. To make it even clear, let the people vote if they want to join the EU under these conditions, because apparently they dont since they found out that a prosper and healthy life is waiting for them if they look in Russias and Chinas direction.
But please, for the love of god, allah, christ, buddah, vishnu and the flying spaghetti monster: do something and stop talking about it.
Ha the DS is just waiting for Nikolic to make a fool of him self. And it will not take a long time lol..
If he " say no" to EU the Serbian people will throw him out of office when they understand that they will starve. Just like they did to Milosevic. It's delusional to think that Russia will help Serbia to feed it self when they cannot their own people. The other scenario is for Nikolic to recognize Kosova so the DS would not do the dirty job. This way Nikolic will lose public support as DS would use this in their advantage. Whatever SNS does still in the next election DS will win.
Nikolic is weak and is in power just because of his nationalistisk views on Kosova. Just like Milosevic. The different if that Nikolic dont know how to behave and have no actionplan.Just reamember his pathetic "hungerstrike". He wrelly dont look as an President.
If Nikolic dont recognize Kosova then when The Serbian people starve DS will come, recognize Kosova , become an EU member and save the serbian people.
Nikolic is an loser and have no other way to go. He has no option but to lose. This mandate will be the only mandate he will get and the end of his political carriere. Maybee it's even his plan so he can be wroten in the historic bools as being the president of Serbia who diden't recognize Kosova despite the Serbian people starving to death. An true man of honor".
Serbia has no other way but to recognize Kosova. Serbia is surrounded by EU country's so Russia is far away.
Y-ou'd be mentally insane to think that Serbia would be able to use military force to take land which Serbia claims and 92 UN member states offically recognise as an independent country and majority who don't recognise, consider it to be a de facto independent state.
And no the Western media doesn't portray the Serbian people as Nazis, only certain former politicians and/or military leaders; and I think that is justified due to their extreme right wing nationalist views & their involvement in the systematic killing of others on the grounds of ethnicity. Also Anti-semitism has nothing to do with anything here.
I don't think the West would bomb Serbia if Serbia tried to take Kosovo by military force, but they'd sure repel any Serbian invasion of Kosovo. Anyway people are starving in Serbia & the country is almost bankrupt, Serbia isn't in a position to take Kosovo by force.
Also I don't have a "sick desire for the subjugation and oppression of the Serbian people". Can you please back up such claims? Give examples too?
I've always advocated for Serbia to recognise Kosovo south of the Ibar River and to allow Northern Kosovo & the majority of the RS join Serbia. Why would I advocate that if I have a "sick desire for the subjugation and oppression of the Serbian people"?
You're just claiming such silly things because I disagree with some Serbian Politicians on some political issues. I have nothing against the Serbian people.
If Scotland votes for independence it still wants to be an EU member. It is not quite so fragmentary as you argue and should not be used to justify your arguments.
It certainly has no ambitions to unify with Russia!! In fact, it currently wants to keep the pound and share military force with the (still united rest of the) UK.
Some in Scotland want independence - but it is not yet a foregone conclusion. The relationship between Scotland and the rest of the UK is not antagonistic. The push for independence comes largely from ambitious politicians and perhaps a certain amount of Scottish pride - but it does not originate from bitter ingrained resentments.
I personally hope very much that Scotland votes to remain part of the united United Kingdom.
Now it’s official that Serbia will not let Kosovo go nor will it be exchanged for EU membership (Lord only knows what benefits now exists in joining this near defunct group). This is only the start as Belgrade’s policy change will become even clearer during the coming months and the EU’s only response will be the same convoluted messages of “no EU until you recognize…..”
The pressure is now on Brussels. Let’s be honest about this matter – Serbia is no longer interested in joining the EU. Serbia no longer needs the EU as it now has a different benefactor – Moscow.
Wit he the EU stopping expansion Putin is smiling from ear to ear and singing “it’s begging to look like Christmas….” The South Stream pipeline is going through and controlling the EU is not too far away.
I guess if you really want to move away fro the EU, and join Russia and china and see if your standard of living will drop or rise for the ordinary citizen. Take a tour of these countries and see how the average person lives then make up your mind
Well, I like what I'm hearing from this government and the action to back it up is slowly coming together. Firstly protecting our sovereignty and combating crime while seeking viable investments and taking out loans for infrastructure projects (such as toll roads, transportation, etc..).
The new cycle is slowly taking form. Karma is coming for a visit. The EU is fracturing while Russia's and China's influence is consolidating.
Scotland wants independence and so does Catalonia and the Basque region in Spain. Independence for Flanders in Belgium is gathering steam -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19943890 and lets not forget the failed EU/US projects BiH and "kosova"*. Greece, Spain, Italy, Protugal and Ireland are on the verge of bankruptcy and Germany is facing a recession. Third class EU members Bulgaria and Romania are being denied Schengen access. Not looking good at all my friends.
However, on the other side we can see powers consolidating around Russia. The Ukraine kicked out their Western facing government some time ago while recently Serbia did the same along with Georgia. It is a slow process but everything is taking form.
My only advice to Nikolic would be to take things slowly. Smile and nod at the EU but look after Serbia's interests. Is it fairly obvious Germany is getting upset and angry.
@Zoran
The new cycle is slowly taking form. Karma is coming for a visit. The EU is fracturing while Russia's and China's influence is consolidating.
Zoran
Karma? I think you are right. Serbia is feeling the Karma physically (by losing one part of the territory that gain by force in WWI) and spiritually cause as I see all your generation will live all their life with desperation that they cannot get back their false myth Kosova.
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Scotland wants independence and so does Catalonia and the Basque region in Spain. Independence for Flanders in Belgium is gathering steam -> [link] and lets not forget the failed EU/US projects BiH and "kosova"*. Greece, Spain, Italy, Protugal and Ireland are on the verge of bankruptcy and Germany is facing a recession. Third class EU members Bulgaria and Romania are being denied Schengen access. Not looking good at all my friends.
Zoran
We say always that Serbs comes in Balkan from East (Russia,) but is not this problem. The problem is that after 13 centuries you have difficulties to integrate with West Europe Nations. Your desires for the bankrupt of all you European neighbors tell very well this. You still feel like foreigners in Europe family. I don’t now why.
Just wait for couple of years and the people of Serbia will get tired of this monkey and choose another president.
Serbia needs a president who can say to it's people " We have lost kosovo. We can't go to war because we have NATO there. When NATO leaves can you ( people ) support the war? " if the people say yes, let it be known then.
again the proserb comments are using derogatory terms for kosovo albanians but yet at the same time they are suggesting that kosovo under Serbia would enjoy all of the democratic rights and liberties .
Nikolic is our man in Serbia.
Thanks to his nationalistic policy and anti EU anti USA stances, the Kosovo issue will end up much earlier in favour of Albanians, than if Tadic was in power.
Thanks to his anti EU rantings, the last 5 members of EU will recognise Kosovo,as they did vote YES to bomb Serbia in 1999 when Milloshevich started ethnic cleansing against K-Alb.
Slovakia is moving toward recognision and if Nikolic continues to flirt with Putin,they certanly will isolate him.
Thank you Mr.Nikolic because your have worked for albanian cause ,more than Miloshevich.
At last a Serbian taking the lead rather than following EU double speak. I bet they do not confront the statement and keep their cards close to their chests.
The funny thing is that Serbia is saving Europe with its principled stance. If Kosovo was acceptable then soon we would see the break up of Spain with Kosovo as a precedent and then who knows where it would end.
I hope this is true, the EU is a lost cause, Kosovo however is not.
Deki, if you really think that joining the EU will lower your taxes and increase your wage then you really are pretty thick. Another one of these deluded fools who thinks that the EU is the land of milk and honey.
Yea, say no to EU
and increase the taxes some more, lower the wages of public employees, raise gas prices, and continue screwing the lives of everyday citisens for your dear kosovo, a place that was lost over a decade ago already.
pathetic.
(deki, 16 October 2012 10:26)
You have no idea what you are talking about. Raising taxes? Nothing has cost the Serbian tax payer more than chasing the EU pipedream. An Eu ambassador, an ambassador to all EU countries, a minister of EU integration, an EU integration office, representative's to the OSCE, Council of Europe and NATO......
The money to support Kosovo i Methoija has indeed been spent inappropriately. But what do you expect when the Serbian fifth columnists have done more for the occupation of Kosovo i Metohija than any Albanian ever could. It's not over though, Serbs can still take their country back from the Otpor-ista's (last generation they were Titoists)..its far from over.
But thank you for your concern over how Serbia spends its time and its money. Seems that you, Ian and Lenard care more about Serbia than its own government.
Lol typical response of a politician from the Balkans. He knows well that this is all a lie but yet he must mantain "face". Time will tell if Serbia will become Eu member. But as far as Kosovo you can all forget it. Even the eu does no longer include its maps lol
You still feel like foreigners in Europe family. I don’t now why.
(dori tirana, 16 October 2012 13:37)
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It is quite simple. We are not boot lickers like Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims. Russia is there to help and not occupy. If Russia attempted to occupy us they would get the same treatment as Germans. Now go and lick a few more boots.
(Zoran, 16 October 2012 12:48)
You serious think any military action Serbia were to take today would be major task to deal with?
Russia is there to help if you were invaded which is not going to happen, I would not be so sure they will intervene if you become an agressor.
If Serbia 'lost' Kosovo then you wouldn't be coming to a Serbia news site EVERY DAY, wasting your time and energy trying to tell us that we can't have Kosovo etc. If you were correct then you wouldn't come here to post. The fact is you're not correct and you're only trying to convince yourselves of what you'r'e saying because none of us care or agree with anything you say :)
And I say if you think that NATO is going to stand at the gates and let Serbian troops roll in you are insane. This time it would be a primarily ground war but remember NATO does not need an approval this time to protect Kosovo, it already has one, UNSC1244.
(pss, 16 October 2012 11:33)
NATO is a defunct battle group that has lost a war to people living in mud huts and caves despite it having the most superior weapons and tactics. You don’t survive under those conditions. Once it leaves Afghanistan it will morph into a European security force without out the US as Washington will have its hands full trying to control its debt let alone worry about Kosovo.
NATO is finished. It can’t scratch itself without approval from the Russians. Why do you think NATO has not overrun the Serbs; it’s very easy as their numbers in that region are small???? People like you don’t believe it but wonder why nothing moves forward in Kosovo. It s because the west tells you how beautiful it looks and those things fall down around you should be ignored except listening to their propaganda.
With every day the EU’s financial position gets worse and you may have noticed that Nikolic has been making some statements never whispered before – these are not random but targeted. Give it six months and I say that the message will be loud and clear that Serbia is not joining the EU or what’s left of it.
Just as I have projected 2 days ago. There won't be a sane approach to the current situation by Serbian politicians. You can yell them the truth right into their faces and they still play dumb. A common practise we have been witness of since years. Obviously, the Serbian voters join this game by electing those parties. So there is more or less a silent agreement between government, parliament and people to continue this path, reducing the whole political development Serbia's to a bazar or more precisely a gamble. We saw that also when war criminals were used as currency for political goodwill in the West.
This whole situation explains why Nikolic does not want to mention what he was promising: Referendum. And I don't see many among the people complaining about that, because that would mean finally making a clear decision and not continuing the failing "Kosovo and EU" path and trying to postpone the inevitable to the unknown. That cowardice, however, will just make the situation worse for Serbia, while witnessing more and more funny moments where a prime minister tries publicly to bribe foreign governments as a result of failed internal and external policy.
Overall, the Serbian government presents itself as an embarrasing construct which is not willing or capable to solve any issues. EU must consider putting all activities with Serbia on ice and re-instate Visa requirements for Serbian citizens, until there is a government capable to make the hard decisions, if ever.
Nikolic is a sentimental old fool who is not acting in the best interest of the people of Serbia. Lets face it, we all know Kosovo is a lost case, whether Nikolic recognises independence or not. Talks will not bring Kosovo back and nor will an other war. Kosovo will never be returned to Serbia as was. Kosovo has been an autonomous region since 1971. Autonomy means the right to self government and self determination and this is exactly what the majority of Kosovars have chosen.
Instead of proclaiming no EU without Kosovo, which will make him only enemies and does Serbia no good whatsoever, Nikolic really ought to be negotiating protection for its holy sites and monasteries and the Serbs who live there. At the same time he should engage the EU into a similar conversation to see to it that Serbs are guaranteed free passage to and from their holy lands and family.
If he was smart(er) he could 'play' and please all sides.
He could go down in history as the man who brokered a deal with Kosovo, as the man who achieved lasting peace within the region. The EU would thank him for it and put Serbia on a fast track program of investments, grants and benefits. Everyone is a winner!
In the interest of all people of the Balkans Nikolic could and should strive to be a bit more like (diplomatic) Tito and a lot less than (radical) Milosevic.
Lets see if he is that smart.
"It's been 11 years that we've been watching every wish of the (ethnic) Albanians getting fulfilled. This will no longer be so," he added.
So let's get even then. We kill ten thousand Serbs.Destroy every Serbian house.Rape your women.Force out of Kosovo all the Serbs.And after all this is done let's talk about getting some Serbian wishes fulfilled.
I really dont understand what Nikolic is trying to accomplish. EU is not asking Serbia to choose EU or Kosovo its either EU or nothing. Mr. Hoolbrooke may he rest in peace made it clear to the Serbs long time ago that if you choose Kosovo you are getting neither. If you think for a minute that we Albanians are going to give up our freedom for your so called autonomy then perhaps you should continue to smoke more the same of what you been smoking and continue to remain delusional.
And I say if you think that NATO is going to stand at the gates and let Serbian troops roll in you are insane. This time it would be a primarily ground war but remember NATO does not need an approval this time to protect Kosovo, it already has one, UNSC1244.
(pss, 16 October 2012 11:33)
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My friend, NATO will have much bigger concerns in Turkey and the Middle East soon. The EU will have huge internal issues. If there is much unrest, as expected, there will be nobody to protect "Kosova"*.
Just watch as the geopolitical situation changes. One step at a time. All eyes on Turkey. This is evolving much quicker than expected.
"The goal is to find a solution that is not independence, and by and large reflects the essential autonomy guaranteed (to Kosovo) with (UNSC) Resolution 1244. "
Nikolic, it seems, has not understood what these talks are about yet. If Serbs go there thinking these will be talks about the status of Kosovo, they are in for a big surprise. Or maybe he is just lying.
On a different note, the pictures of Dacic and Thaci sitting in the same table, maybe even shaking hands, will be epic, hope B92 will post them.
I just wish Serbian politicians had the guts to acknowlege to their electorate that kosovo is lost. Accept that the majority of people living there do not want to be part of a Serbian State. If they were honest the process of separation had started long before NATO became involved. Serbia is part of Europe and always will be. Why set itself apart from those who wish to defend Serbs and always have done in the past. Wise counsel is saying accept international opinion. We will defence your right to secure international borders. Now have an honest conversation with your electorate who are crying out for change, jobs and proper health care.
Serbia is no longer interested in joining the EU. Serbia no longer needs the EU as it now has a different benefactor – Moscow.
Wit he the EU stopping expansion Putin is smiling from ear to ear and singing “it’s begging to look like Christmas….” The South Stream pipeline is going through and controlling the EU is not too far away.
(sj, 16 October 2012 10:48)
I guess the magic number must be when less than 25 polticians on a daily basis make the claim that joining the EU is Serbia's number 1 goal then it is interpreted that there is no longer ANY interest. hehhe True Christmas is coming and we see a lot of begging coming from Belgrade.
To all you who believe NATO is all invincible and will never fall.
Remember these empires and you can guess the rest.
The Macedonians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Mongols, the Napoleonic empire, the British empire, Hitler's empire, the Soviet empire to name but a few, where are they now.....confined to the pages of history.
NATO is not the first empire and maybe not the last, but it will fall like the rest as all those who try to dominate the world do. You people who believe NATO won't fall will see it fall and in your lifetimes too, I defy anyone who says it won't.
"Why do you think NATO has not overrun the Serbs; it’s very easy as their numbers in that region are small???? People like you don’t believe it but wonder why nothing moves forward in Kosovo. It s because the west tells you how beautiful it looks and those things fall down around you should be ignored except listening to their propaganda." sj,
I know you have a different mentality. But try to think logically for once and tell me why would NATO want to "overrun the Serbs" The actions in Kosovo have been a nuisance for the last 3-4 years but nothing worth a military action.NATO has reacted to date in a manner to keep deaths and injuries to a minimum. Try to put yourself in a normal frame of mind, most of the world does not think they need to annhilate a people. No one feels that way about Serbs like you do Albanians, or at least NATO countries do not. If that were the goal they could have easily done it in 1999 when Russia was not a force to consider. As far as the rest of your garbage, it is that, pure and simple. NATO is still the strongest military force on the planet and they have the UNSC mandate to protect Kosovo from Serbian military and I am 100% sure they take that seriously and will not fail to act should that become necessary.
But I must say you need to work harder on your posts, I think you have competition as to the most outrageous posts of nonsense and Another JS has dethroned you.
You serious think any military action Serbia were to take today would be major task to deal with?
Russia is there to help if you were invaded which is not going to happen, I would not be so sure they will intervene if you become an agressor.
(pss, 16 October 2012 14:40)
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Did I say Serbia will intervene militarily? Personally, I just think that Albanians and Muslims will eventually become incompatible with South Eastern Europe and the rest of Europe for that matter. Whatever happens then God only knows.
Hey Tomislav Nikolić.Guess what you will lead People of Serbia no were no EU. So you really think you will get Kosova back I don’t thank so Kosova is Long gone from Serbia, Serbia will be empty handed no Kosova no EU if you smart a enough you go with EU oh maybe Russia will take you under there arms hahhaha.
Yes EU Kosovo and metohja is gon for ever it's Albanian stats forget kosovo,it is beter for you Mr Fake President Nikolic go back to school,or live the job you'r not fit.serbija have beter educaters leaders,by by nikolic.
Its ever the same: the serb president is asking other countrieswhat will be happen with Kosovo and Serbia. USA, UK, F and Germany have recognized Kosovo as independent state. There is no way back. They are ALLIES of the Albanians. Albania is NATO-member and also EU-candidate. Either Serbia (what would be the best) would make a very long interim break to see what will be happen with the EU and with Serbia as stae or Serbia will be in an endless game whcih the country never can win about the little steps pro and contra concerning Kosovo. I guess the Serbs will not more hear about all the fake stories from Belgrade and abroad.
Mr Nikolic is right..its all in favor for the albanian side..all the negotiating, is just a ploy to keep pushing their status closer and closer technically, and nothing is given back to the Serbs. This has to stop. Its humorous how all you albos on here dont realize how small, i mean tiny, of a player you are in the balkans or the rest of the world. Reality will begin to settle in, which it has already. Instead of the EU telling Serbia to get lost..they keep finding ways to not encourage Serbia to just get off the EU patch officially. If they wanted to, they would have by now. I wonder why? Kosovo and albania r merely corrupt governments that pay a huge price for their protection. They would be incapable of defending themselves in any sort of conflict, so they sell their drugs, and pay people off. Politicians all over the world know this as well. as well as the common folk there.
There is no reason to back off..Kosovo and Metohija is still not a UN member, never will be, and they will suffer much more over time than the Serbs or Serbia will. the albos are simply dogs taking orders right now..and even their master wants to just open the gate, and let them run away free and not feed them anymore. Sooner or later, you will have to sit at that table with Serbia, and concede on issues. no one wants a corrupt Kosovo in the EU or part of any big family, period. this is no secret anymore. The cat is out of the bag.
I’m sorry to tell you but the EU does not recognize an independent Kosovo so what are you talking about. And the EU/US will do absolutely NOTHING about northern Kosovo. I find it so amusing that you Albanians get it wrong over and over and still make these silly predictions about using force.
The EU will just continue to mouth the same lines over and over again and do nothing. Anyway it will give the Albanians in Kosovo hope to keep them warm during the cold winter.
(sj, 17 October 2012 14:16)
I'll tell you what I'm talking about, the ability of any one EU emember to block/ veto a country from joining the organisation, ie Serbia.
I've said nothing about using force, if I have, please prove me wrong.
And I'm not an Albanian.
"The EU will just continue to mouth the same lines over and over again and do nothing."
The same can be said about Russia, China, Serbia ect. Therefore it is a naff argument.
I'm not the one making Predictions. You're the one in Mystic Meg Mode hovering your hands over a crystal ball telling us how Russia will rule Europe in several years time. Now that is amusing!
Nikolic is our man in Serbia.
Thanks to his nationalistic policy and anti EU anti USA stances, the Kosovo issue will end up much earlier in favour of Albanians, than if Tadic was in power.
(Mirel from Albania, 16 October 2012 20:14)
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LOL! Albanians and their wishful thinking. Here is a message from someone you said helped the K*Albanian cause also. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJL0SAmd9fw
Ah more obsessive Serbophobes, how's it like in Albania these days? Not bad enough to make you want to shoot yourself in the face...yet
You mention Hoolbroke and just as you said, hes dead. You think Western policy makers care more about Kosovo i Metohija than Hoolbrooke did? Of course not, he was one of the main cheerleaders behind the temporary occupation.
Western interest will continue to fade. Both because necessity and the fact there are larger fish to fry in the Middle East. Then your Hoolbrookes, Albrights ect. will be burning in hell to help you.
When a doctor diagnoses say cancer in a patient that person goes through several stages; first its shock then its denial then acceptance - your Albanians are in denial; it can’t happen; it’s impossible.
(sj, 17 October 2012 01:00)
That is exactly the analogy I used 3 years ago about Serbs losing Kosovo. I would have thought they would have progressed out of the denial stage by now but it takes some people longer.
I haven't noticed you wish well for your Serbian neighbors. Oh, yes, you wish they gave up on Kosovo and live well without it ever after, how could I forget?
(aaayyy, 17 October 2012 12:29)
Spot on! Serbs will live well without their Kosova myth and If they ask forgiveness to Albanians for all their crimes since WWI in name of this myth, maybe new era of good relations between two neighbors will come.
"When a doctor diagnoses say cancer in a patient that person goes through several stages; first its shock then its denial then acceptance - your Albanians are in denial; it can’t happen; it’s impossible. "
--First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. You Serbs ignored us, then you laughed at us, then you fought us. Then we won.
1) Join the EU, dismantle all Serbian institutions in Kosovo and get ready to accept Serbian refugees from Kosovo.
2) Don't join the EU and keep Serbian institutions in Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 16 October 2012 21:23)
You're confusing Kosovo with Northern Kosovo. They are two different entities. Northern Kosovo is de facto apart of Serbia, however Pristina claims it as apart of it's territory even though it isn't, as Pristina's borders end at the Ibar river. Northern Kosovo is subject to a territorial dispute between Kosovo and Serbia, a bit like Northern Ireland was subject to a territorial dispute between Ireland and the UK until 1998; however the EEC (EU) found a way of admitting both Ireland and the UK as members without focussing on disputed Northern Ireland. I'm sure the EU will be able to find a way of admitting both Kosovo and Serbia into the EU without focussing on disputed Northern Kosovo.
Western Interest in Serbia? Hah give me a break, Serbia has no resources the USA wants else they would've taken it by now... serbia total population is a fraction of the population of a large US city.. gimme a break, most people don't even know where the holy Serbia is
LOL
I am not confusing Kosovo* and Northern Kosovo, I know that Serbian institutions are mostly in northern Kosovo. As I have already said several times I wish EU were able to admit both central Serbia and Kosovo* at the same time without focussing on Kosovo* status.
But unfortunately Germany is a leading country in EU, the country which is known by its "ability" to establish European stability. You can confront your past, but you cannot confront your genes... :) :(
(aaayyy, 17 October 2012 12:26)
I'm sorry, but I can see no way what-so-ever how Serbia can join the EU while it doesn't recognise one of it's neighbours, which is supported by the vast majority of the EU.
However Serbia will probably be able to keep it's southern province of Northern Kosovo if Serbia recognises the independence of Kosovo South of the Ibar River, but Serbia best do it fast as the EU are becoming more admament about Northern Kosovo being unified witht the rest of Kosovo. But it will be unfeasible for Serbia to become an EU member whilst refusing to recognise a neighbouring country. The EU is very wary of Serbia as Serbia isn't exactly known for being a factor of stability in the Balkans due to it being at war in the recent past with most of it's neighbours and/ or have issues/ disputes with a lot of them currently.
LOL! Albanians and their wishful thinking. Here is a message from someone you said helped the K*Albanian cause also. Check -> [link]
(Zoran, 16 October 2012 21:29)
what about that link/video....vuk?? please he is just a doll sitting in a chair...an dhe is talking about solving worlds problems its just funny to watch words coming from his mouth plus he is not gone be there for ever..one year and he is out body lol
I guess the magic number must be when less than 25 polticians on a daily basis make the claim that joining the EU is Serbia's number 1 goal then it is interpreted that there is no longer ANY interest. hehhe True Christmas is coming and we see a lot of begging coming from Belgrade.
(heyhey, 16 October 2012 14:47)
There is not enough room here to explain it to you. Bu let me quote part of a speech that the US Ambassaodr to South Vietnam made a coupe of months prior to the North taking over “We will not abandon our allies and will stay the true course of our convictions ……”
Until the vast Serbian people come to the conclusion that the EU is bunkum you will keep hearing these statements. I strongly recommend you wake up and see what’s happening around you – the entire world is in serious trouble not just Belgrade.
When a doctor diagnoses say cancer in a patient that person goes through several stages; first its shock then its denial then acceptance - your Albanians are in denial; it can’t happen; it’s impossible.
The US and EU are printing more money right now and even your “western” controlled IMF has issued a press release saying its not a good idea as it risks the world economy into another recession. Try denying that one.
“If that were the goal they could have easily done it in 1999 when Russia was not a force to consider”
The US spent too much time gloating over the fact that they had won the war and wanted a bigger prize – Iraq and were too busy preparing for that failed expedition. They wanted to take their time to teach the Serbs a lesson but time ran out for the Washington buffoons. Your now going to pick up the tab for the 17 trillion dollar corporation meal. Watch as your standard of living goes south faster and faster.
The US spent too much time gloating over the fact that they had won the war and wanted a bigger prize – Iraq and were too busy preparing for that failed expedition. They wanted to take their time to teach the Serbs a lesson but time ran out for the Washington buffoons. Your now going to pick up the tab for the 17 trillion dollar corporation meal. Watch as your standard of living goes south faster and faster.
(sj, 17 October 2012 01:00)
Nice speech trying to prove my point that it was not and is not the goal to get rid of the Serbs but your facts are way off base --as usual.
The bombing ended in June of 1999 under Clinton who had no interest in going into Iraq. It was Bush who wanted to go to Iraq and he did not take office until 2001. And that did not happen until 2003. The goal of the war was to end the crusade against the Albanians that was it. Milosevic was given every chance to pull back. I know that it is a hard concept for you to grasp that anyone can do something humanitarian as it is a foreign concept, but I am sorry to disappoint you, it is true.
It was not about doing away with Serbs, it was not about minerals or a base in the area or pipelines. It was meant to stop the violence the whole reason that it was not put in 1244 that Kosovo would never be part of Serbia again.
You still feel like foreigners in Europe family. I don’t know why.
(dori tirana, 16 October 2012 13:37)
It's interesting to hear something like that from an Albanian.
aaayyy
You are not Serb, you are not Albanian, you are proSerb and I have noted you are against EU. In identity is too important how you feel. We feel European and wish well for all our European neighbors. I cannot say the same thing for Serbs. Ask Zoran for example
Western Interest in Serbia? Hah give me a break, Serbia has no resources the USA wants else they would've taken it by now... serbia total population is a fraction of the population of a large US city.. gimme a break, most people don't even know where the holy Serbia is
LOL
(John, 17 October 2012 10:17)
Of course most Americans would not know where Serbia is. If you gave a map of the US showing the states but with no names on it most Americans would not be able to identify their own states let alone name the others. Why Ronald Regan thought the Australia was Austria. On a recent occasion a map of Europe on Fox news had Serbia on the same spot as Slovakia.
And yes Serbia is rich in minerals, water resources, energy and arable lands – just for your information. Don’t say a Serb has not taught you anything.
You still feel like foreigners in Europe family. I don’t know why.
(dori tirana, 16 October 2012 13:37)
It's interesting to hear something like that from an Albanian.
aaayyy
You are not Serb, you are not Albanian, you are proSerb and I have noted you are against EU. In identity is too important how you feel. We feel European and wish well for all our European neighbors. I cannot say the same thing for Serbs. Ask Zoran for example
(dori tirana, 17 October 2012 10:15)
I haven't noticed you wish well for your Serbian neighbors. Oh, yes, you wish they gave up on Kosovo and live well without it ever after, how could I forget?
(Ian, UK, 17 October 2012 13:10)
I’m sorry to tell you but the EU does not recognize an independent Kosovo so what are you talking about. And the EU/US will do absolutely NOTHING about northern Kosovo. I find it so amusing that you Albanians get it wrong over and over and still make these silly predictions about using force.
The EU will just continue to mouth the same lines over and over again and do nothing. Anyway it will give the Albanians in Kosovo hope to keep them warm during the cold winter.
Serbia will join the EU when the brown cow jumps over the moon – it will never happen. Even the current polls show that the vast numbers in Serbia are opposed, then there is the simple fact whether the EU will survive. It is now accepted that due to the finical crises even if the EU survives it will be very different to what existed in say the 1990s. There is no benefit in joining the EU because the cash has run out – that was the only thing waived in front of ordinary people. Join and lots of money comes your way.
I’m not sure where you live to ask a question “how will Russia rule Europe?” Who has the energy reserves sets the rules. Why do you think the US went into Iraq? Free the people from a dictator or free the oil? Russia and China have the money; the EU does not – its as simple as that.
You cant run industry on hot air.
Its amazing that we have a lot of non Albanians on this website talking abut issues that should not really concern them.
(pss, 17 October 2012 09:14)
I always give nice speeches. However, as history will prove later down the track that the US had their eye on Iraq for a long time. In fact the first time they went into that country under Bush senior it was a planned move giving Saddam Hussein the “green” light to take over Kuwait then back stab him by using that move as a pretext to launch Desert storm. Issues of national interests do not stop with a change of government; they either slow down or continue at the same rate as under the previous administration. Clinton was wary of invading where as George Bush, who is a clinical idiot went in boots and all and the US lost the war.
The US went into Kosovo not because of them being nice but to have a foothold there in its fight against the Russians in the energy cold war, which the US lost again. The US didn’t give a rats a*** about the Albanians; they just used them as an excuse. That’s reality, the rest about being humanitarian is pure BS. Look at the humanitarian way the US troops gunned down those innocent men in Iraq from a helicopter gunship which Wiki leaks released on internet.
If the US or west is so concerned about the Albanians then why have they not in the last 13 years opened any industry to soak up some of the official 45% unemployment? The UNSC 1244 is a dog’s breakfast as it should have been a horse but the committee gave us a camel. It’s a stalemate.
You're confusing Kosovo with Northern Kosovo. They are two different entities. Northern Kosovo is de facto apart of Serbia, however Pristina claims it as apart of it's territory even though it isn't, as Pristina's borders end at the Ibar river. Northern Kosovo is subject to a territorial dispute between Kosovo and Serbia, a bit like Northern Ireland was subject to a territorial dispute between Ireland and the UK until 1998; however the EEC (EU) found a way of admitting both Ireland and the UK as members without focussing on disputed Northern Ireland. I'm sure the EU will be able to find a way of admitting both Kosovo and Serbia into the EU without focussing on disputed Northern Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 17 October 2012 10:03)
I am not confusing Kosovo* and Northern Kosovo, I know that Serbian institutions are mostly in northern Kosovo. As I have already said several times I wish EU were able to admit both central Serbia and Kosovo* at the same time without focussing on Kosovo* status.
But unfortunately Germany is a leading country in EU, the country which is known by its "ability" to establish European stability. You can confront your past, but you cannot confront your genes... :) :(
However Serbia will probably be able to keep it's southern province of Northern Kosovo if Serbia recognises the independence of Kosovo South of the Ibar River, but Serbia best do it fast as the EU are becoming more admament about Northern Kosovo being unified witht the rest of Kosovo.
(Ian)
That is exactly the analogy I used 3 years ago about Serbs losing Kosovo. I would have thought they would have progressed out of the denial stage by now but it takes some people longer.
(pss, 17 October 2012 11:35)
Yes you could have said that about 5 years ago, which would have been pre GFC, but since then the world has changed dramatically. In fact it has change to the point where the situation is reversing and the Albanians believe that the US is awash with money and near ready to pour billions into an independent Kosovo, but those days are over and with the current printing presses in the US working overtime its making the situation even more difficult.
Unfortunately most Americans now live in full denial that both major parties have brought your country to its knees and even this 3 big printing of cash does not spread hope amongst their economic experts. Who ever wins the November elections will have a catastrophe on their hands with a 17 trillion debt and a 120 trillion unfunded liability in areas of federal pensions for government workers and retired military etc.
So this confirms that Serbia won't be joining the EU then.
Nikolic and co have to realise that they have two options.
1) Join the EU and don't have Kosovo.
2) Don't join the EU and don't have Kosovo.
Of course Nikolic and friends already know this, they just don't dare admit it to the Serbian electorate in fear of losing support. And in the process Serbia will be getting left behind.
You really have no basis to say that it is impossible for Serbia to reclaim its internationally recognized borders in the future. Things change in the world and that is already apparent with the undeniable fact that the West would not shower Belgrade with bombs this very movement if Serbia decided to capture its internationally recognized borders and lift the occupation.
You can say there would be sanctions, supplying weapons to Albanian terrorists and another attempt by the Western media to villainize Serbs as Nazi's (which is laughable, historically inaccurate and covertly anti-Semitic)...but if you believe NATO would in 2012 bomb Serbia over Kosovo i Metohija then you are mentally insane.
Your sick desire for the subjugation and oppression of the Serbian people is apparent, but you look like a fool when you try to let this thirst for Serbian submission to get into the way of logic and reality.
Yea, say no to EU
and increase the taxes some more, lower the wages of public employees, raise gas prices, and continue screwing the lives of everyday citisens for your dear kosovo, a place that was lost over a decade ago already.
You still feel like foreigners in Europe family. I don’t now why.
(dori tirana, 16 October 2012 13:37)
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It is quite simple. We are not boot lickers like Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims. Russia is there to help and not occupy. If Russia attempted to occupy us they would get the same treatment as Germans. Now go and lick a few more boots.
Now it’s official that Serbia will not let Kosovo go nor will it be exchanged for EU membership (Lord only knows what benefits now exists in joining this near defunct group). This is only the start as Belgrade’s policy change will become even clearer during the coming months and the EU’s only response will be the same convoluted messages of “no EU until you recognize…..”
The pressure is now on Brussels. Let’s be honest about this matter – Serbia is no longer interested in joining the EU. Serbia no longer needs the EU as it now has a different benefactor – Moscow.
Wit he the EU stopping expansion Putin is smiling from ear to ear and singing “it’s begging to look like Christmas….” The South Stream pipeline is going through and controlling the EU is not too far away.
Ha the DS is just waiting for Nikolic to make a fool of him self. And it will not take a long time lol..
If he " say no" to EU the Serbian people will throw him out of office when they understand that they will starve. Just like they did to Milosevic. It's delusional to think that Russia will help Serbia to feed it self when they cannot their own people. The other scenario is for Nikolic to recognize Kosova so the DS would not do the dirty job. This way Nikolic will lose public support as DS would use this in their advantage. Whatever SNS does still in the next election DS will win.
Nikolic is weak and is in power just because of his nationalistisk views on Kosova. Just like Milosevic. The different if that Nikolic dont know how to behave and have no actionplan.Just reamember his pathetic "hungerstrike". He wrelly dont look as an President.
If Nikolic dont recognize Kosova then when The Serbian people starve DS will come, recognize Kosova , become an EU member and save the serbian people.
Nikolic is an loser and have no other way to go. He has no option but to lose. This mandate will be the only mandate he will get and the end of his political carriere. Maybee it's even his plan so he can be wroten in the historic bools as being the president of Serbia who diden't recognize Kosova despite the Serbian people starving to death. An true man of honor".
Serbia has no other way but to recognize Kosova. Serbia is surrounded by EU country's so Russia is far away.
Well, I like what I'm hearing from this government and the action to back it up is slowly coming together. Firstly protecting our sovereignty and combating crime while seeking viable investments and taking out loans for infrastructure projects (such as toll roads, transportation, etc..).
The new cycle is slowly taking form. Karma is coming for a visit. The EU is fracturing while Russia's and China's influence is consolidating.
Scotland wants independence and so does Catalonia and the Basque region in Spain. Independence for Flanders in Belgium is gathering steam -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19943890 and lets not forget the failed EU/US projects BiH and "kosova"*. Greece, Spain, Italy, Protugal and Ireland are on the verge of bankruptcy and Germany is facing a recession. Third class EU members Bulgaria and Romania are being denied Schengen access. Not looking good at all my friends.
However, on the other side we can see powers consolidating around Russia. The Ukraine kicked out their Western facing government some time ago while recently Serbia did the same along with Georgia. It is a slow process but everything is taking form.
My only advice to Nikolic would be to take things slowly. Smile and nod at the EU but look after Serbia's interests. Is it fairly obvious Germany is getting upset and angry.
Yea, say no to EU
and increase the taxes some more, lower the wages of public employees, raise gas prices, and continue screwing the lives of everyday citisens for your dear kosovo, a place that was lost over a decade ago already.
pathetic.
(deki, 16 October 2012 10:26)
You have no idea what you are talking about. Raising taxes? Nothing has cost the Serbian tax payer more than chasing the EU pipedream. An Eu ambassador, an ambassador to all EU countries, a minister of EU integration, an EU integration office, representative's to the OSCE, Council of Europe and NATO......
The money to support Kosovo i Methoija has indeed been spent inappropriately. But what do you expect when the Serbian fifth columnists have done more for the occupation of Kosovo i Metohija than any Albanian ever could. It's not over though, Serbs can still take their country back from the Otpor-ista's (last generation they were Titoists)..its far from over.
But thank you for your concern over how Serbia spends its time and its money. Seems that you, Ian and Lenard care more about Serbia than its own government.
Mr Nikolic is right..its all in favor for the albanian side..all the negotiating, is just a ploy to keep pushing their status closer and closer technically, and nothing is given back to the Serbs. This has to stop. Its humorous how all you albos on here dont realize how small, i mean tiny, of a player you are in the balkans or the rest of the world. Reality will begin to settle in, which it has already. Instead of the EU telling Serbia to get lost..they keep finding ways to not encourage Serbia to just get off the EU patch officially. If they wanted to, they would have by now. I wonder why? Kosovo and albania r merely corrupt governments that pay a huge price for their protection. They would be incapable of defending themselves in any sort of conflict, so they sell their drugs, and pay people off. Politicians all over the world know this as well. as well as the common folk there.
There is no reason to back off..Kosovo and Metohija is still not a UN member, never will be, and they will suffer much more over time than the Serbs or Serbia will. the albos are simply dogs taking orders right now..and even their master wants to just open the gate, and let them run away free and not feed them anymore. Sooner or later, you will have to sit at that table with Serbia, and concede on issues. no one wants a corrupt Kosovo in the EU or part of any big family, period. this is no secret anymore. The cat is out of the bag.
I hope this is true, the EU is a lost cause, Kosovo however is not.
Deki, if you really think that joining the EU will lower your taxes and increase your wage then you really are pretty thick. Another one of these deluded fools who thinks that the EU is the land of milk and honey.
You serious think any military action Serbia were to take today would be major task to deal with?
Russia is there to help if you were invaded which is not going to happen, I would not be so sure they will intervene if you become an agressor.
(pss, 16 October 2012 14:40)
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Did I say Serbia will intervene militarily? Personally, I just think that Albanians and Muslims will eventually become incompatible with South Eastern Europe and the rest of Europe for that matter. Whatever happens then God only knows.
At last a Serbian taking the lead rather than following EU double speak. I bet they do not confront the statement and keep their cards close to their chests.
The funny thing is that Serbia is saving Europe with its principled stance. If Kosovo was acceptable then soon we would see the break up of Spain with Kosovo as a precedent and then who knows where it would end.
If Serbia 'lost' Kosovo then you wouldn't be coming to a Serbia news site EVERY DAY, wasting your time and energy trying to tell us that we can't have Kosovo etc. If you were correct then you wouldn't come here to post. The fact is you're not correct and you're only trying to convince yourselves of what you'r'e saying because none of us care or agree with anything you say :)
And I say if you think that NATO is going to stand at the gates and let Serbian troops roll in you are insane. This time it would be a primarily ground war but remember NATO does not need an approval this time to protect Kosovo, it already has one, UNSC1244.
(pss, 16 October 2012 11:33)
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My friend, NATO will have much bigger concerns in Turkey and the Middle East soon. The EU will have huge internal issues. If there is much unrest, as expected, there will be nobody to protect "Kosova"*.
Just watch as the geopolitical situation changes. One step at a time. All eyes on Turkey. This is evolving much quicker than expected.
Just wait for couple of years and the people of Serbia will get tired of this monkey and choose another president.
Serbia needs a president who can say to it's people " We have lost kosovo. We can't go to war because we have NATO there. When NATO leaves can you ( people ) support the war? " if the people say yes, let it be known then.
To all you who believe NATO is all invincible and will never fall.
Remember these empires and you can guess the rest.
The Macedonians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Mongols, the Napoleonic empire, the British empire, Hitler's empire, the Soviet empire to name but a few, where are they now.....confined to the pages of history.
NATO is not the first empire and maybe not the last, but it will fall like the rest as all those who try to dominate the world do. You people who believe NATO won't fall will see it fall and in your lifetimes too, I defy anyone who says it won't.
but if you believe NATO would in 2012 bomb Serbia over Kosovo i Metohija then you are mentally insane.
Your sick desire for the subjugation and oppression of the Serbian people is apparent, but you look like a fool when you try to let this thirst for Serbian submission to get into the way of logic and reality.
(Ari Gold, 16 October 2012 11:06)
And I say if you think that NATO is going to stand at the gates and let Serbian troops roll in you are insane. This time it would be a primarily ground war but remember NATO does not need an approval this time to protect Kosovo, it already has one, UNSC1244.
What is he waiting for? Everyone knows that for Serbia to enter the EU, they have to accept Kosovos independence. It might not be a official condition, but its also no secret. So dont play dumb and put your money where your mouth is and pull back Serbias EU wish. To make it even clear, let the people vote if they want to join the EU under these conditions, because apparently they dont since they found out that a prosper and healthy life is waiting for them if they look in Russias and Chinas direction.
But please, for the love of god, allah, christ, buddah, vishnu and the flying spaghetti monster: do something and stop talking about it.
And I say if you think that NATO is going to stand at the gates and let Serbian troops roll in you are insane. This time it would be a primarily ground war but remember NATO does not need an approval this time to protect Kosovo, it already has one, UNSC1244.
(pss, 16 October 2012 11:33)
NATO is a defunct battle group that has lost a war to people living in mud huts and caves despite it having the most superior weapons and tactics. You don’t survive under those conditions. Once it leaves Afghanistan it will morph into a European security force without out the US as Washington will have its hands full trying to control its debt let alone worry about Kosovo.
NATO is finished. It can’t scratch itself without approval from the Russians. Why do you think NATO has not overrun the Serbs; it’s very easy as their numbers in that region are small???? People like you don’t believe it but wonder why nothing moves forward in Kosovo. It s because the west tells you how beautiful it looks and those things fall down around you should be ignored except listening to their propaganda.
With every day the EU’s financial position gets worse and you may have noticed that Nikolic has been making some statements never whispered before – these are not random but targeted. Give it six months and I say that the message will be loud and clear that Serbia is not joining the EU or what’s left of it.
As long as no one "officially" asks then Serbia will proceed knowing that in the end it will be the same. It is either EU and no Kosovo or No EU and No Kosovo. Two choices make it and move on. Having EU and Kosovo or Not having EU and having Kosovo are not options, and only a fool, which I understand there are many here, think they are possibilities.
The politicians know this and only insult Serbian intelligence by saying otherwise.
Y-ou'd be mentally insane to think that Serbia would be able to use military force to take land which Serbia claims and 92 UN member states offically recognise as an independent country and majority who don't recognise, consider it to be a de facto independent state.
And no the Western media doesn't portray the Serbian people as Nazis, only certain former politicians and/or military leaders; and I think that is justified due to their extreme right wing nationalist views & their involvement in the systematic killing of others on the grounds of ethnicity. Also Anti-semitism has nothing to do with anything here.
I don't think the West would bomb Serbia if Serbia tried to take Kosovo by military force, but they'd sure repel any Serbian invasion of Kosovo. Anyway people are starving in Serbia & the country is almost bankrupt, Serbia isn't in a position to take Kosovo by force.
Also I don't have a "sick desire for the subjugation and oppression of the Serbian people". Can you please back up such claims? Give examples too?
I've always advocated for Serbia to recognise Kosovo south of the Ibar River and to allow Northern Kosovo & the majority of the RS join Serbia. Why would I advocate that if I have a "sick desire for the subjugation and oppression of the Serbian people"?
You're just claiming such silly things because I disagree with some Serbian Politicians on some political issues. I have nothing against the Serbian people.
Lol typical response of a politician from the Balkans. He knows well that this is all a lie but yet he must mantain "face". Time will tell if Serbia will become Eu member. But as far as Kosovo you can all forget it. Even the eu does no longer include its maps lol
Ah more obsessive Serbophobes, how's it like in Albania these days? Not bad enough to make you want to shoot yourself in the face...yet
You mention Hoolbroke and just as you said, hes dead. You think Western policy makers care more about Kosovo i Metohija than Hoolbrooke did? Of course not, he was one of the main cheerleaders behind the temporary occupation.
Western interest will continue to fade. Both because necessity and the fact there are larger fish to fry in the Middle East. Then your Hoolbrookes, Albrights ect. will be burning in hell to help you.
I guess if you really want to move away fro the EU, and join Russia and china and see if your standard of living will drop or rise for the ordinary citizen. Take a tour of these countries and see how the average person lives then make up your mind
Nikolic is a sentimental old fool who is not acting in the best interest of the people of Serbia. Lets face it, we all know Kosovo is a lost case, whether Nikolic recognises independence or not. Talks will not bring Kosovo back and nor will an other war. Kosovo will never be returned to Serbia as was. Kosovo has been an autonomous region since 1971. Autonomy means the right to self government and self determination and this is exactly what the majority of Kosovars have chosen.
Instead of proclaiming no EU without Kosovo, which will make him only enemies and does Serbia no good whatsoever, Nikolic really ought to be negotiating protection for its holy sites and monasteries and the Serbs who live there. At the same time he should engage the EU into a similar conversation to see to it that Serbs are guaranteed free passage to and from their holy lands and family.
If he was smart(er) he could 'play' and please all sides.
He could go down in history as the man who brokered a deal with Kosovo, as the man who achieved lasting peace within the region. The EU would thank him for it and put Serbia on a fast track program of investments, grants and benefits. Everyone is a winner!
In the interest of all people of the Balkans Nikolic could and should strive to be a bit more like (diplomatic) Tito and a lot less than (radical) Milosevic.
Lets see if he is that smart.
@Zoran
The new cycle is slowly taking form. Karma is coming for a visit. The EU is fracturing while Russia's and China's influence is consolidating.
Zoran
Karma? I think you are right. Serbia is feeling the Karma physically (by losing one part of the territory that gain by force in WWI) and spiritually cause as I see all your generation will live all their life with desperation that they cannot get back their false myth Kosova.
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Scotland wants independence and so does Catalonia and the Basque region in Spain. Independence for Flanders in Belgium is gathering steam -> [link] and lets not forget the failed EU/US projects BiH and "kosova"*. Greece, Spain, Italy, Protugal and Ireland are on the verge of bankruptcy and Germany is facing a recession. Third class EU members Bulgaria and Romania are being denied Schengen access. Not looking good at all my friends.
Zoran
We say always that Serbs comes in Balkan from East (Russia,) but is not this problem. The problem is that after 13 centuries you have difficulties to integrate with West Europe Nations. Your desires for the bankrupt of all you European neighbors tell very well this. You still feel like foreigners in Europe family. I don’t now why.
If Scotland votes for independence it still wants to be an EU member. It is not quite so fragmentary as you argue and should not be used to justify your arguments.
It certainly has no ambitions to unify with Russia!! In fact, it currently wants to keep the pound and share military force with the (still united rest of the) UK.
Some in Scotland want independence - but it is not yet a foregone conclusion. The relationship between Scotland and the rest of the UK is not antagonistic. The push for independence comes largely from ambitious politicians and perhaps a certain amount of Scottish pride - but it does not originate from bitter ingrained resentments.
I personally hope very much that Scotland votes to remain part of the united United Kingdom.
Hey Tomislav Nikolić.Guess what you will lead People of Serbia no were no EU. So you really think you will get Kosova back I don’t thank so Kosova is Long gone from Serbia, Serbia will be empty handed no Kosova no EU if you smart a enough you go with EU oh maybe Russia will take you under there arms hahhaha.
Just as I have projected 2 days ago. There won't be a sane approach to the current situation by Serbian politicians. You can yell them the truth right into their faces and they still play dumb. A common practise we have been witness of since years. Obviously, the Serbian voters join this game by electing those parties. So there is more or less a silent agreement between government, parliament and people to continue this path, reducing the whole political development Serbia's to a bazar or more precisely a gamble. We saw that also when war criminals were used as currency for political goodwill in the West.
This whole situation explains why Nikolic does not want to mention what he was promising: Referendum. And I don't see many among the people complaining about that, because that would mean finally making a clear decision and not continuing the failing "Kosovo and EU" path and trying to postpone the inevitable to the unknown. That cowardice, however, will just make the situation worse for Serbia, while witnessing more and more funny moments where a prime minister tries publicly to bribe foreign governments as a result of failed internal and external policy.
Overall, the Serbian government presents itself as an embarrasing construct which is not willing or capable to solve any issues. EU must consider putting all activities with Serbia on ice and re-instate Visa requirements for Serbian citizens, until there is a government capable to make the hard decisions, if ever.
I just wish Serbian politicians had the guts to acknowlege to their electorate that kosovo is lost. Accept that the majority of people living there do not want to be part of a Serbian State. If they were honest the process of separation had started long before NATO became involved. Serbia is part of Europe and always will be. Why set itself apart from those who wish to defend Serbs and always have done in the past. Wise counsel is saying accept international opinion. We will defence your right to secure international borders. Now have an honest conversation with your electorate who are crying out for change, jobs and proper health care.
"Why do you think NATO has not overrun the Serbs; it’s very easy as their numbers in that region are small???? People like you don’t believe it but wonder why nothing moves forward in Kosovo. It s because the west tells you how beautiful it looks and those things fall down around you should be ignored except listening to their propaganda." sj,
I know you have a different mentality. But try to think logically for once and tell me why would NATO want to "overrun the Serbs" The actions in Kosovo have been a nuisance for the last 3-4 years but nothing worth a military action.NATO has reacted to date in a manner to keep deaths and injuries to a minimum. Try to put yourself in a normal frame of mind, most of the world does not think they need to annhilate a people. No one feels that way about Serbs like you do Albanians, or at least NATO countries do not. If that were the goal they could have easily done it in 1999 when Russia was not a force to consider. As far as the rest of your garbage, it is that, pure and simple. NATO is still the strongest military force on the planet and they have the UNSC mandate to protect Kosovo from Serbian military and I am 100% sure they take that seriously and will not fail to act should that become necessary.
But I must say you need to work harder on your posts, I think you have competition as to the most outrageous posts of nonsense and Another JS has dethroned you.
The question is not " EU or Kosovo" but in fact is " EU or nothing" because Kosovo is already gone.
I really feel sorry for the regular serb people who still to this day get tricked by politicians who did so much destruction to Serbia itself and to the neighbors also.
Its ever the same: the serb president is asking other countrieswhat will be happen with Kosovo and Serbia. USA, UK, F and Germany have recognized Kosovo as independent state. There is no way back. They are ALLIES of the Albanians. Albania is NATO-member and also EU-candidate. Either Serbia (what would be the best) would make a very long interim break to see what will be happen with the EU and with Serbia as stae or Serbia will be in an endless game whcih the country never can win about the little steps pro and contra concerning Kosovo. I guess the Serbs will not more hear about all the fake stories from Belgrade and abroad.
Serbia is no longer interested in joining the EU. Serbia no longer needs the EU as it now has a different benefactor – Moscow.
Wit he the EU stopping expansion Putin is smiling from ear to ear and singing “it’s begging to look like Christmas….” The South Stream pipeline is going through and controlling the EU is not too far away.
(sj, 16 October 2012 10:48)
I guess the magic number must be when less than 25 polticians on a daily basis make the claim that joining the EU is Serbia's number 1 goal then it is interpreted that there is no longer ANY interest. hehhe True Christmas is coming and we see a lot of begging coming from Belgrade.
Yes EU Kosovo and metohja is gon for ever it's Albanian stats forget kosovo,it is beter for you Mr Fake President Nikolic go back to school,or live the job you'r not fit.serbija have beter educaters leaders,by by nikolic.
Nikolic is our man in Serbia.
Thanks to his nationalistic policy and anti EU anti USA stances, the Kosovo issue will end up much earlier in favour of Albanians, than if Tadic was in power.
Thanks to his anti EU rantings, the last 5 members of EU will recognise Kosovo,as they did vote YES to bomb Serbia in 1999 when Milloshevich started ethnic cleansing against K-Alb.
Slovakia is moving toward recognision and if Nikolic continues to flirt with Putin,they certanly will isolate him.
Thank you Mr.Nikolic because your have worked for albanian cause ,more than Miloshevich.
"The goal is to find a solution that is not independence, and by and large reflects the essential autonomy guaranteed (to Kosovo) with (UNSC) Resolution 1244. "
Nikolic, it seems, has not understood what these talks are about yet. If Serbs go there thinking these will be talks about the status of Kosovo, they are in for a big surprise. Or maybe he is just lying.
On a different note, the pictures of Dacic and Thaci sitting in the same table, maybe even shaking hands, will be epic, hope B92 will post them.
(Zoran, 16 October 2012 12:48)
You serious think any military action Serbia were to take today would be major task to deal with?
Russia is there to help if you were invaded which is not going to happen, I would not be so sure they will intervene if you become an agressor.
I really dont understand what Nikolic is trying to accomplish. EU is not asking Serbia to choose EU or Kosovo its either EU or nothing. Mr. Hoolbrooke may he rest in peace made it clear to the Serbs long time ago that if you choose Kosovo you are getting neither. If you think for a minute that we Albanians are going to give up our freedom for your so called autonomy then perhaps you should continue to smoke more the same of what you been smoking and continue to remain delusional.
Nikolic is our man in Serbia.
Thanks to his nationalistic policy and anti EU anti USA stances, the Kosovo issue will end up much earlier in favour of Albanians, than if Tadic was in power.
(Mirel from Albania, 16 October 2012 20:14)
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LOL! Albanians and their wishful thinking. Here is a message from someone you said helped the K*Albanian cause also. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJL0SAmd9fw
(Ian, UK, 17 October 2012 13:10)
I’m sorry to tell you but the EU does not recognize an independent Kosovo so what are you talking about. And the EU/US will do absolutely NOTHING about northern Kosovo. I find it so amusing that you Albanians get it wrong over and over and still make these silly predictions about using force.
The EU will just continue to mouth the same lines over and over again and do nothing. Anyway it will give the Albanians in Kosovo hope to keep them warm during the cold winter.
again the proserb comments are using derogatory terms for kosovo albanians but yet at the same time they are suggesting that kosovo under Serbia would enjoy all of the democratic rights and liberties .
When a doctor diagnoses say cancer in a patient that person goes through several stages; first its shock then its denial then acceptance - your Albanians are in denial; it can’t happen; it’s impossible.
The US and EU are printing more money right now and even your “western” controlled IMF has issued a press release saying its not a good idea as it risks the world economy into another recession. Try denying that one.
“If that were the goal they could have easily done it in 1999 when Russia was not a force to consider”
The US spent too much time gloating over the fact that they had won the war and wanted a bigger prize – Iraq and were too busy preparing for that failed expedition. They wanted to take their time to teach the Serbs a lesson but time ran out for the Washington buffoons. Your now going to pick up the tab for the 17 trillion dollar corporation meal. Watch as your standard of living goes south faster and faster.
(pss, 17 October 2012 09:14)
I always give nice speeches. However, as history will prove later down the track that the US had their eye on Iraq for a long time. In fact the first time they went into that country under Bush senior it was a planned move giving Saddam Hussein the “green” light to take over Kuwait then back stab him by using that move as a pretext to launch Desert storm. Issues of national interests do not stop with a change of government; they either slow down or continue at the same rate as under the previous administration. Clinton was wary of invading where as George Bush, who is a clinical idiot went in boots and all and the US lost the war.
The US went into Kosovo not because of them being nice but to have a foothold there in its fight against the Russians in the energy cold war, which the US lost again. The US didn’t give a rats a*** about the Albanians; they just used them as an excuse. That’s reality, the rest about being humanitarian is pure BS. Look at the humanitarian way the US troops gunned down those innocent men in Iraq from a helicopter gunship which Wiki leaks released on internet.
If the US or west is so concerned about the Albanians then why have they not in the last 13 years opened any industry to soak up some of the official 45% unemployment? The UNSC 1244 is a dog’s breakfast as it should have been a horse but the committee gave us a camel. It’s a stalemate.
Western Interest in Serbia? Hah give me a break, Serbia has no resources the USA wants else they would've taken it by now... serbia total population is a fraction of the population of a large US city.. gimme a break, most people don't even know where the holy Serbia is
LOL
(John, 17 October 2012 10:17)
Of course most Americans would not know where Serbia is. If you gave a map of the US showing the states but with no names on it most Americans would not be able to identify their own states let alone name the others. Why Ronald Regan thought the Australia was Austria. On a recent occasion a map of Europe on Fox news had Serbia on the same spot as Slovakia.
And yes Serbia is rich in minerals, water resources, energy and arable lands – just for your information. Don’t say a Serb has not taught you anything.
You're confusing Kosovo with Northern Kosovo. They are two different entities. Northern Kosovo is de facto apart of Serbia, however Pristina claims it as apart of it's territory even though it isn't, as Pristina's borders end at the Ibar river. Northern Kosovo is subject to a territorial dispute between Kosovo and Serbia, a bit like Northern Ireland was subject to a territorial dispute between Ireland and the UK until 1998; however the EEC (EU) found a way of admitting both Ireland and the UK as members without focussing on disputed Northern Ireland. I'm sure the EU will be able to find a way of admitting both Kosovo and Serbia into the EU without focussing on disputed Northern Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 17 October 2012 10:03)
I am not confusing Kosovo* and Northern Kosovo, I know that Serbian institutions are mostly in northern Kosovo. As I have already said several times I wish EU were able to admit both central Serbia and Kosovo* at the same time without focussing on Kosovo* status.
But unfortunately Germany is a leading country in EU, the country which is known by its "ability" to establish European stability. You can confront your past, but you cannot confront your genes... :) :(
"It's been 11 years that we've been watching every wish of the (ethnic) Albanians getting fulfilled. This will no longer be so," he added.
So let's get even then. We kill ten thousand Serbs.Destroy every Serbian house.Rape your women.Force out of Kosovo all the Serbs.And after all this is done let's talk about getting some Serbian wishes fulfilled.
Western Interest in Serbia? Hah give me a break, Serbia has no resources the USA wants else they would've taken it by now... serbia total population is a fraction of the population of a large US city.. gimme a break, most people don't even know where the holy Serbia is
LOL
You still feel like foreigners in Europe family. I don’t know why.
(dori tirana, 16 October 2012 13:37)
It's interesting to hear something like that from an Albanian.
aaayyy
You are not Serb, you are not Albanian, you are proSerb and I have noted you are against EU. In identity is too important how you feel. We feel European and wish well for all our European neighbors. I cannot say the same thing for Serbs. Ask Zoran for example
(dori tirana, 17 October 2012 10:15)
I haven't noticed you wish well for your Serbian neighbors. Oh, yes, you wish they gave up on Kosovo and live well without it ever after, how could I forget?
That is exactly the analogy I used 3 years ago about Serbs losing Kosovo. I would have thought they would have progressed out of the denial stage by now but it takes some people longer.
(pss, 17 October 2012 11:35)
Yes you could have said that about 5 years ago, which would have been pre GFC, but since then the world has changed dramatically. In fact it has change to the point where the situation is reversing and the Albanians believe that the US is awash with money and near ready to pour billions into an independent Kosovo, but those days are over and with the current printing presses in the US working overtime its making the situation even more difficult.
Unfortunately most Americans now live in full denial that both major parties have brought your country to its knees and even this 3 big printing of cash does not spread hope amongst their economic experts. Who ever wins the November elections will have a catastrophe on their hands with a 17 trillion debt and a 120 trillion unfunded liability in areas of federal pensions for government workers and retired military etc.
I guess the magic number must be when less than 25 polticians on a daily basis make the claim that joining the EU is Serbia's number 1 goal then it is interpreted that there is no longer ANY interest. hehhe True Christmas is coming and we see a lot of begging coming from Belgrade.
(heyhey, 16 October 2012 14:47)
There is not enough room here to explain it to you. Bu let me quote part of a speech that the US Ambassaodr to South Vietnam made a coupe of months prior to the North taking over “We will not abandon our allies and will stay the true course of our convictions ……”
Until the vast Serbian people come to the conclusion that the EU is bunkum you will keep hearing these statements. I strongly recommend you wake up and see what’s happening around you – the entire world is in serious trouble not just Belgrade.
When a doctor diagnoses say cancer in a patient that person goes through several stages; first its shock then its denial then acceptance - your Albanians are in denial; it can’t happen; it’s impossible.
(sj, 17 October 2012 01:00)
That is exactly the analogy I used 3 years ago about Serbs losing Kosovo. I would have thought they would have progressed out of the denial stage by now but it takes some people longer.
I haven't noticed you wish well for your Serbian neighbors. Oh, yes, you wish they gave up on Kosovo and live well without it ever after, how could I forget?
(aaayyy, 17 October 2012 12:29)
Spot on! Serbs will live well without their Kosova myth and If they ask forgiveness to Albanians for all their crimes since WWI in name of this myth, maybe new era of good relations between two neighbors will come.
However Serbia will probably be able to keep it's southern province of Northern Kosovo if Serbia recognises the independence of Kosovo South of the Ibar River, but Serbia best do it fast as the EU are becoming more admament about Northern Kosovo being unified witht the rest of Kosovo.
(Ian)
Serbia will join the EU when the brown cow jumps over the moon – it will never happen. Even the current polls show that the vast numbers in Serbia are opposed, then there is the simple fact whether the EU will survive. It is now accepted that due to the finical crises even if the EU survives it will be very different to what existed in say the 1990s. There is no benefit in joining the EU because the cash has run out – that was the only thing waived in front of ordinary people. Join and lots of money comes your way.
I’m not sure where you live to ask a question “how will Russia rule Europe?” Who has the energy reserves sets the rules. Why do you think the US went into Iraq? Free the people from a dictator or free the oil? Russia and China have the money; the EU does not – its as simple as that.
You cant run industry on hot air.
Its amazing that we have a lot of non Albanians on this website talking abut issues that should not really concern them.
I am not confusing Kosovo* and Northern Kosovo, I know that Serbian institutions are mostly in northern Kosovo. As I have already said several times I wish EU were able to admit both central Serbia and Kosovo* at the same time without focussing on Kosovo* status.
But unfortunately Germany is a leading country in EU, the country which is known by its "ability" to establish European stability. You can confront your past, but you cannot confront your genes... :) :(
(aaayyy, 17 October 2012 12:26)
I'm sorry, but I can see no way what-so-ever how Serbia can join the EU while it doesn't recognise one of it's neighbours, which is supported by the vast majority of the EU.
However Serbia will probably be able to keep it's southern province of Northern Kosovo if Serbia recognises the independence of Kosovo South of the Ibar River, but Serbia best do it fast as the EU are becoming more admament about Northern Kosovo being unified witht the rest of Kosovo. But it will be unfeasible for Serbia to become an EU member whilst refusing to recognise a neighbouring country. The EU is very wary of Serbia as Serbia isn't exactly known for being a factor of stability in the Balkans due to it being at war in the recent past with most of it's neighbours and/ or have issues/ disputes with a lot of them currently.
I’m sorry to tell you but the EU does not recognize an independent Kosovo so what are you talking about. And the EU/US will do absolutely NOTHING about northern Kosovo. I find it so amusing that you Albanians get it wrong over and over and still make these silly predictions about using force.
The EU will just continue to mouth the same lines over and over again and do nothing. Anyway it will give the Albanians in Kosovo hope to keep them warm during the cold winter.
(sj, 17 October 2012 14:16)
I'll tell you what I'm talking about, the ability of any one EU emember to block/ veto a country from joining the organisation, ie Serbia.
I've said nothing about using force, if I have, please prove me wrong.
And I'm not an Albanian.
"The EU will just continue to mouth the same lines over and over again and do nothing."
The same can be said about Russia, China, Serbia ect. Therefore it is a naff argument.
I'm not the one making Predictions. You're the one in Mystic Meg Mode hovering your hands over a crystal ball telling us how Russia will rule Europe in several years time. Now that is amusing!
"When a doctor diagnoses say cancer in a patient that person goes through several stages; first its shock then its denial then acceptance - your Albanians are in denial; it can’t happen; it’s impossible. "
--First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. You Serbs ignored us, then you laughed at us, then you fought us. Then we won.
The US spent too much time gloating over the fact that they had won the war and wanted a bigger prize – Iraq and were too busy preparing for that failed expedition. They wanted to take their time to teach the Serbs a lesson but time ran out for the Washington buffoons. Your now going to pick up the tab for the 17 trillion dollar corporation meal. Watch as your standard of living goes south faster and faster.
(sj, 17 October 2012 01:00)
Nice speech trying to prove my point that it was not and is not the goal to get rid of the Serbs but your facts are way off base --as usual.
The bombing ended in June of 1999 under Clinton who had no interest in going into Iraq. It was Bush who wanted to go to Iraq and he did not take office until 2001. And that did not happen until 2003. The goal of the war was to end the crusade against the Albanians that was it. Milosevic was given every chance to pull back. I know that it is a hard concept for you to grasp that anyone can do something humanitarian as it is a foreign concept, but I am sorry to disappoint you, it is true.
It was not about doing away with Serbs, it was not about minerals or a base in the area or pipelines. It was meant to stop the violence the whole reason that it was not put in 1244 that Kosovo would never be part of Serbia again.
1) Join the EU, dismantle all Serbian institutions in Kosovo and get ready to accept Serbian refugees from Kosovo.
2) Don't join the EU and keep Serbian institutions in Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 16 October 2012 21:23)
You're confusing Kosovo with Northern Kosovo. They are two different entities. Northern Kosovo is de facto apart of Serbia, however Pristina claims it as apart of it's territory even though it isn't, as Pristina's borders end at the Ibar river. Northern Kosovo is subject to a territorial dispute between Kosovo and Serbia, a bit like Northern Ireland was subject to a territorial dispute between Ireland and the UK until 1998; however the EEC (EU) found a way of admitting both Ireland and the UK as members without focussing on disputed Northern Ireland. I'm sure the EU will be able to find a way of admitting both Kosovo and Serbia into the EU without focussing on disputed Northern Kosovo.
You still feel like foreigners in Europe family. I don’t know why.
(dori tirana, 16 October 2012 13:37)
It's interesting to hear something like that from an Albanian.
aaayyy
You are not Serb, you are not Albanian, you are proSerb and I have noted you are against EU. In identity is too important how you feel. We feel European and wish well for all our European neighbors. I cannot say the same thing for Serbs. Ask Zoran for example
LOL! Albanians and their wishful thinking. Here is a message from someone you said helped the K*Albanian cause also. Check -> [link]
(Zoran, 16 October 2012 21:29)
what about that link/video....vuk?? please he is just a doll sitting in a chair...an dhe is talking about solving worlds problems its just funny to watch words coming from his mouth plus he is not gone be there for ever..one year and he is out body lol
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