What PM said at WW2 memorial: Full text of speech

Excellent Speech!!!

talk about victim mentality and persecution complexity. serbia has always stood on the side of those who fought against fascism? right, then why the hell did you lot elect sloba? he was against fascism was he?

talk about victim mentality and persecution complexity. serbia has always stood on the side of those who fought against fascism? right, then why the hell did you lot elect sloba? he was against fascism was he?
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 19:29)
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Since you can't dispute that Serbs always fought against Fascism and stood on the side of right you have to try to tarnish it with Slobodan's time.
Slobo would've never had to go into Kosovo if it wasn't for more Fascism rising there, namely your own people. He went in strong but the reason he went in is very valid.

Nikolle,
aren't you tired of spewing the same drivvle? i'm tired of reading unrelated and uneducated comments from the nosebleed cheap seats. slobo was a communist. a communist is far left, and a fascist is far right.
and if you are willing to consider the price serbians paid in wwii as playing the victim, i'd like to hear how you see your kosovar friends' victim playingness as compared to serbians'. let me start you off. in wwii it is internationally recognized that serbians were slaughter on the order of hundreds of thousands, some estimates have it near 1/2 million. slaughtered, erased from existance. furthermore in 1999 it is estimated that roughly 10,000 total people were killed during slobo's crackdown. there is a who order of magnitute more exterminations in the camp you call people "playing the victim" than in the camp you call "victim". if math, logic and language are not your strong points, then please reeducate yourself. you'll thank me for it in the end. it is very useful understanding the differencs that additional zeros make at the end of a number.

Honouable Minister Dacic
Serbia needs to move away from the EU. Simple as that. They don't want us, They don't need us. Focus on other startegic partners and give EU nothing.

not really Peggy, I and many others consider Sloba to have been a fascist. strangely enough, he was elected democratically by your people and you have those who still to this day, defend him :-) people like you Peggy

is that the best you can do Peggy? yes, except, in Hashis Touchy's case, we have no evidence that any of the things he is accused of took place. not a single one (i'm excluding that witness who was afraid of a scalpel as I give no credibility to his testimony). in sloba's case, we have mass graves, eye witness accounts as well as the erosion of democracy inside Serbia proper. but no no i agree, he wasn't the problem, it was his neighbors who were the issue! by the way, how did his handling of a few armed men in Kosova turn out? look at your 'Kosmet' now, it isn't Belgrade who is running the shots :-). thank Sloba for that one

Crocodile tears by "Slobo". Why they have re-named all the streets from partisans to "kings"? Why so many ex-partisans commited suicide? Why Serbia is so badly acting with all the refugees, not looking after all the hungry people on the streets? Serbia is using only in a cheap waya history which does not more belong to the country. Look on the photos when "Slobo" is smiling and kissing the feets of all the little foreign politicians. Serbia is a slave-country.

" Everything should be done in order to avoid wars and that is why we want to settle all disputes peacefully"

THIS COMING FROM A NATION THAT ACTUALLY STARTED 2 WORLD WARS!!!!!

Every country and every nation has the right to remember their own victims and Dacic and the Serbian government has the right to do so. However, I need to comment on the following statement he made:
“Today, after the genocide we suffered in the two world wars for being on the right side of the international community, I think Serbia has done absolutely nothing to deserve to have itself and its interests treated unfairly by the international community, because Serbia has always been on the side of those fighting against fascism and genocidal policy, such as the one exhibited here in Draginac.”
First, there is an assumption and a subjective opinion on his end that Serbia and its interests are being treated unfairly by the international community. Let’s assume that this opinion is correct; I am having trouble understanding how he completely ignores anything and everything that happened between 1945 – 2012?! The fact that he erases everything that Serbia did in the 90ties is beyond comprehension. In his opinion, EU should forget about everything wrong that Serbia did in the 90ties just because they were on the right side of history in WWI and WWII?! Serbia is being treated the way it is being treated by the international community not because of the right things they did during WWI and WWII but rather of the wrong things they did in the 90ties. Until people like him are sitting on the highest posts of the government, there will be no stability in the Balkans.

talk about victim mentality and persecution complexity. serbia has always stood on the side of those who fought against fascism? right, then why the hell did you lot elect sloba? he was against fascism was he?
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 19:29)

Sorry to disappoint but Slobo was not a fascist like your Albanians who sided with the Nazis in WW2. The problem with people like you is that you need a good dcitonary near you at all times to look up these words and their true meanings instead of trying revisionism – there is a nice word for you to look up.

" Everything should be done in order to avoid wars and that is why we want to settle all disputes peacefully"

THIS COMING FROM A NATION THAT ACTUALLY STARTED 2 WORLD WARS!!!!!
(Krasniq't, 15 October 2012 23:55)

Started 2 World Wars? Serbia was attacked on both occasions, The Second time, the war had already been going for two years before Serbia was attacked, How does that work?

This speech does not mention with even a single word (!) the Balkan Wars from the 1990s.

Blanking out whole chapters of Balkan history and making correlation between WW1 and EU membership is indeed a specialty which only Serbian politicians are capable of.

"We also believe that Serbia has a right to another chance and this is why we must not only remember, but constantly highlight the victims we had, because our victims have been forgotten, because history has been twisted and the nations which were defeated in World War One and World War Two have now become more important factors in the Balkans than Serbia and the Serbian people."

No, the 'nations that were defeated in WW2', especially Germany, are aware of the crimes their Soldiers committed. Everybody knows that, only a few nationlist extremists deny it. They don't try to twist history. On the other hand, it's Mr. Dacic who tries to twist history, who tries to deny or downplay the Srebrencia genocide, and doesn't accept the fact that Serbian soldiers committed horrible crimes only some decades ago. And I think the problem with national extremists is a lot higher in Serbia than in the 'defeated countries'.

please spare me sentimentality tiredNick. Sloba was a commie? not really, Soba ultimately was a madman, a democratically elected one, but a crazed individual nonetheless. truth is, he did start out as a commie, than he reverted to extreme serbian nationalism (and a nationalist is by definition to the extreme right), not out of any ideological reasons, but exploitation. of course, we'll never get you guys to admit this, but its true. put aside the harm he did to non-serbs in what was Yugoslavia, he did an awful lot of damage to Serbia too, damage which you're still struggling to recover. well, was it worth it, elected a man like that?

@ Krusty the Clown or what ever your name is...Read the speech, its the TRUTH...and btw according too some western goverment sources the loss of Serbians in WWII was more like 1 million ...Tito ,Slobo and the former leaders suppressed the facts because the Truth hurts more than the lies...

THIS COMING FROM A NATION THAT ACTUALLY STARTED 2 WORLD WARS!!!!!
(Krasniq't, 15 October 2012 23:55)

Um, we're sort of proud for "starting" the first one, though that one seemed to need any old excuse to happen.

Not quite sure how the Hell you think we were behind the second one.

Gut full of the BS

no not really. Tito was not much of a communist, he was leaning to the left, but no to the extreme left. Sloba did start out a commie, he did not pursue his political career running to the left, he exploited Serb sentiments (not Yugoslav ones) to gain power. its true i'm sorry but it is. no point in blaming Slovenes and Croats and Germany on this one

As for the article itself, yes i agree with you, tragic event in your peoples history indeed, however, Mr Dacic himself is attempting to use such an event for political advantage. read the speech. it is not dedicated to combating fascism, its all about some perceived injustice that Serbia is suffering now from those inside the EU (who's leaders are not fascist)

Not quite sure how the Hell you think we were behind the second one.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 16 October 2012 05:35)
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Only second one? They claim that Serbia started FOUR wars and lost four wars. Talk about delusion. Never mind that Slovenia was the first who started the whole ball rolling by seceding. Then Croatia was arming itself to teeth by smuggling weapons through Hungarian border long before any fighting broke out there.
Never let it be said that Albanians let truth stand in the way of a good story.

All good points in the speech, but its just as much about what he doesn't say. The 1990s are missed out for starters.

please spare me sentimentality tiredNick. Sloba was a commie? not really, Soba ultimately was a madman, a democratically elected one, but a crazed individual nonetheless. truth is, he did start out as a commie, than he reverted to extreme serbian nationalism (and a nationalist is by definition to the extreme right)
(Nikolle, 16 October 2012 00:30)

Again incorrect but that seems typical of your struggle to understand basic concepts. Tito was and fostered left wing nationalism should we suppose he was a fascist too? offcourse only in your world oops and the few others you cite. But I will agree with you it was Slobo first then the rest in his book.

I will promise to use your same tactics to divert attention away from articles less favourable to Serbia. This article was about forgotten innocent victims you will gain no sympathy or understanding for yours, this is your way.

And I think the problem with national extremists is a lot higher in Serbia than in the 'defeated countries'.
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 October 2012 14:15)
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You keep saying that Srebrenica was a genocide. Can you please give me the definition of genocide and what happened in Srebrenica.
Allowing safe passage for women and children out of Srebrenica doesn't fit any description of genocide to my knowledge but you must be aware of some other definition which I ask you to explain.

Nikolle, I understand your point of view as I know your source of information. As such, Slobo was far less as Nationalist than a Federalist. His intentions were to keep the Federation together. His abandoning nationalistic notions and signing the Dayton Accord offers evidence to him not being a nationalist, but alas thought, and understanding are not synonomous with reading newspaper articles that have someone else's thoughts digested for you. Izetbegovic was not only a nationalist, and a fascist (as he was infact a memeber of the Bosnian SS junior corpe as a youngster, had written a a handful of facsist and radical works that encouraged hatred.
furthermore, your simple assertion that a nationalist is a facsist is quite wrong. a fascist is a nationalist, but the reciprical is not necessarily true. a nationalist is simply someone who loves their own nation.

not really Peggy, I and many others consider Sloba to have been a fascist. strangely enough, he was elected democratically by your people and you have those who still to this day, defend him :-) people like you Peggy
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 23:38)
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I couldn't care less what you consider him to be. It's only your opinion anyway.
Still, he is so much better than your beloved Hashis Touchy.
He cracked down hard on your lot but then look at your lot. They deserve all they get. Organ snatchers don't deserve any sympathy.

tiredNick

right, essentially you're saying I can't think for myself. well now, i know its custom here to blame Croats, Slovenes, Germany and the Vatican for the break up of Yugoslavia, but it really isn't their fault. who did Sloba mobilize to win power, Yugoslavs or Serbs? his policies had NOTHING to do with keeping the union together. he exploited Kosovar Serbs to the tilt, not that he cared for them mind you, but he appealed to their sentiments (which were pretty nationalist). that's it. he cared not a jot for Bosnians, Slovenes and Croats (all of who were Yugoslavs). I did write earlier there are those who defend Sloba still, well, here we go and we meet another one of you

as far as defending slobo, i think you're jumping to conclusions that you'd like to see. simply put slobo wasn't a facsist, as you claim. his federalism was eveident, though you wish to ignore it. he infact mobilized the yugoslav army. it is infact the jna that was bombarded in bosnia while they were stepping back during an agreed upon retreat. it happens that mostly serbs were the remaining federalists, and so it is convenient to assume it was a serb army.
your ease at throwing around words like fascist without regard for the obvious suspects is laughable. as you said, slobo didn't care for and simply played around with the emotions of the kosovoar serbs, is further evidence to support his lack of facsism and even ethincally motivated nationalism, but rather addes significant creedeence to his being a federalist.

(Nikolle, 16 October 2012 12:18)

Tito had Titoism, Stalin had Stalinism, Mao had Maoism etc. Each had it’s own theory that deviated from but was Communist. Tito himself was a conscious opportunist using populism to expand and solidify his dictatorship. Slobo was no different in that aspect, those minorities that continued the Yugoslav ideals were deemed loyalists and those that didn’t were treated how Tito would have dealt with them.

Yours is one interpretation of the Dacic speech, a narrow one, a broader interpretation is that he acknowledged neglected victims which leads to reconciliation and offered clarity of Serbia's ideals in history.

When the first president of Croatia claimed less than a million Jews perished in the holocaust and only a few tens of thousand killed in Jasenovac is acclaimed in one of Germany’s largest mainstream newspapers as a courageous man for those views, is this blameless?

Tudjman states at a German diplomatic conference in 1989 that when he becomes the leader of Croatia, that the soil in Krajina would be red with blood. German leadership did what? Decided he reformed then broke ranks with the Badinter commision and gave the madman diplomatic recognition. Is this blameless?

The role of the BND is this blameless?

I can see why the Serbs blame Germany and Croatia less so Slovenia but I don’t think many Serbs apart from a few Yugo-nostalgics in that territory care to much about Slovenia.

i've read many things, but Sloba's supposed Yugoslav federalism has to be one of the best. it was under his watch that the whole thing disintegrated. Croats didn't vote to cede in 1981, 82, 83, 84...etc. neither did Slovenes, or Bosnains. funnily enough, when Slovenes and Croats opposed the removal of Kosova's autonomy, he called them traitors. yes Sloba was a true Yugoslav, it was all others who were the problem(!) also I stand by what i said, he was a fascist. banning K. Albanian students from using Uni. building purely and simply for their ethnicity is fascist

Gut full of the BS

oh no no, i am used to conspiracy theories on Yugoslavia, they of course don't stand the test of time, but i do know that people believe them. Yes, Germany was to blame for Yugoslavia's disintegration (!). it was they who were ruling Serbs when they elected the visionary Sloba and Croats Tujman, the people who voted them in, are not responsible. I wonder if brits today feel a conspiracy at hand with the Scots, or was it only Yugoslavia that was worth the experiment

(Nikolle, 17 October 2012 16:38)

Na, conspiracy theories should largely be unknown to the public.

Those I posted are facts that contributed to;

a) Milosevic gaining sentiments
b) Igniting the wars
c) Reason why you can also point the finger at the Germans & Croats

Sorry Nikolle actuality is different from your reality and one man don't get to tango by himself as you are lead to believe.

talk about victim mentality and persecution complexity. serbia has always stood on the side of those who fought against fascism? right, then why the hell did you lot elect sloba? he was against fascism was he?

" Everything should be done in order to avoid wars and that is why we want to settle all disputes peacefully"

THIS COMING FROM A NATION THAT ACTUALLY STARTED 2 WORLD WARS!!!!!

Excellent Speech!!!

not really Peggy, I and many others consider Sloba to have been a fascist. strangely enough, he was elected democratically by your people and you have those who still to this day, defend him :-) people like you Peggy

Crocodile tears by "Slobo". Why they have re-named all the streets from partisans to "kings"? Why so many ex-partisans commited suicide? Why Serbia is so badly acting with all the refugees, not looking after all the hungry people on the streets? Serbia is using only in a cheap waya history which does not more belong to the country. Look on the photos when "Slobo" is smiling and kissing the feets of all the little foreign politicians. Serbia is a slave-country.

talk about victim mentality and persecution complexity. serbia has always stood on the side of those who fought against fascism? right, then why the hell did you lot elect sloba? he was against fascism was he?
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 19:29)
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Since you can't dispute that Serbs always fought against Fascism and stood on the side of right you have to try to tarnish it with Slobodan's time.
Slobo would've never had to go into Kosovo if it wasn't for more Fascism rising there, namely your own people. He went in strong but the reason he went in is very valid.

Nikolle,
aren't you tired of spewing the same drivvle? i'm tired of reading unrelated and uneducated comments from the nosebleed cheap seats. slobo was a communist. a communist is far left, and a fascist is far right.
and if you are willing to consider the price serbians paid in wwii as playing the victim, i'd like to hear how you see your kosovar friends' victim playingness as compared to serbians'. let me start you off. in wwii it is internationally recognized that serbians were slaughter on the order of hundreds of thousands, some estimates have it near 1/2 million. slaughtered, erased from existance. furthermore in 1999 it is estimated that roughly 10,000 total people were killed during slobo's crackdown. there is a who order of magnitute more exterminations in the camp you call people "playing the victim" than in the camp you call "victim". if math, logic and language are not your strong points, then please reeducate yourself. you'll thank me for it in the end. it is very useful understanding the differencs that additional zeros make at the end of a number.

Honouable Minister Dacic
Serbia needs to move away from the EU. Simple as that. They don't want us, They don't need us. Focus on other startegic partners and give EU nothing.

not really Peggy, I and many others consider Sloba to have been a fascist. strangely enough, he was elected democratically by your people and you have those who still to this day, defend him :-) people like you Peggy
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 23:38)
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I couldn't care less what you consider him to be. It's only your opinion anyway.
Still, he is so much better than your beloved Hashis Touchy.
He cracked down hard on your lot but then look at your lot. They deserve all they get. Organ snatchers don't deserve any sympathy.

And I think the problem with national extremists is a lot higher in Serbia than in the 'defeated countries'.
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 October 2012 14:15)
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You keep saying that Srebrenica was a genocide. Can you please give me the definition of genocide and what happened in Srebrenica.
Allowing safe passage for women and children out of Srebrenica doesn't fit any description of genocide to my knowledge but you must be aware of some other definition which I ask you to explain.

please spare me sentimentality tiredNick. Sloba was a commie? not really, Soba ultimately was a madman, a democratically elected one, but a crazed individual nonetheless. truth is, he did start out as a commie, than he reverted to extreme serbian nationalism (and a nationalist is by definition to the extreme right)
(Nikolle, 16 October 2012 00:30)

Again incorrect but that seems typical of your struggle to understand basic concepts. Tito was and fostered left wing nationalism should we suppose he was a fascist too? offcourse only in your world oops and the few others you cite. But I will agree with you it was Slobo first then the rest in his book.

I will promise to use your same tactics to divert attention away from articles less favourable to Serbia. This article was about forgotten innocent victims you will gain no sympathy or understanding for yours, this is your way.

Not quite sure how the Hell you think we were behind the second one.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 16 October 2012 05:35)
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Only second one? They claim that Serbia started FOUR wars and lost four wars. Talk about delusion. Never mind that Slovenia was the first who started the whole ball rolling by seceding. Then Croatia was arming itself to teeth by smuggling weapons through Hungarian border long before any fighting broke out there.
Never let it be said that Albanians let truth stand in the way of a good story.

talk about victim mentality and persecution complexity. serbia has always stood on the side of those who fought against fascism? right, then why the hell did you lot elect sloba? he was against fascism was he?
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 19:29)

Sorry to disappoint but Slobo was not a fascist like your Albanians who sided with the Nazis in WW2. The problem with people like you is that you need a good dcitonary near you at all times to look up these words and their true meanings instead of trying revisionism – there is a nice word for you to look up.

" Everything should be done in order to avoid wars and that is why we want to settle all disputes peacefully"

THIS COMING FROM A NATION THAT ACTUALLY STARTED 2 WORLD WARS!!!!!
(Krasniq't, 15 October 2012 23:55)

Started 2 World Wars? Serbia was attacked on both occasions, The Second time, the war had already been going for two years before Serbia was attacked, How does that work?

THIS COMING FROM A NATION THAT ACTUALLY STARTED 2 WORLD WARS!!!!!
(Krasniq't, 15 October 2012 23:55)

Um, we're sort of proud for "starting" the first one, though that one seemed to need any old excuse to happen.

Not quite sure how the Hell you think we were behind the second one.

is that the best you can do Peggy? yes, except, in Hashis Touchy's case, we have no evidence that any of the things he is accused of took place. not a single one (i'm excluding that witness who was afraid of a scalpel as I give no credibility to his testimony). in sloba's case, we have mass graves, eye witness accounts as well as the erosion of democracy inside Serbia proper. but no no i agree, he wasn't the problem, it was his neighbors who were the issue! by the way, how did his handling of a few armed men in Kosova turn out? look at your 'Kosmet' now, it isn't Belgrade who is running the shots :-). thank Sloba for that one

tiredNick

right, essentially you're saying I can't think for myself. well now, i know its custom here to blame Croats, Slovenes, Germany and the Vatican for the break up of Yugoslavia, but it really isn't their fault. who did Sloba mobilize to win power, Yugoslavs or Serbs? his policies had NOTHING to do with keeping the union together. he exploited Kosovar Serbs to the tilt, not that he cared for them mind you, but he appealed to their sentiments (which were pretty nationalist). that's it. he cared not a jot for Bosnians, Slovenes and Croats (all of who were Yugoslavs). I did write earlier there are those who defend Sloba still, well, here we go and we meet another one of you

i've read many things, but Sloba's supposed Yugoslav federalism has to be one of the best. it was under his watch that the whole thing disintegrated. Croats didn't vote to cede in 1981, 82, 83, 84...etc. neither did Slovenes, or Bosnains. funnily enough, when Slovenes and Croats opposed the removal of Kosova's autonomy, he called them traitors. yes Sloba was a true Yugoslav, it was all others who were the problem(!) also I stand by what i said, he was a fascist. banning K. Albanian students from using Uni. building purely and simply for their ethnicity is fascist

Gut full of the BS

oh no no, i am used to conspiracy theories on Yugoslavia, they of course don't stand the test of time, but i do know that people believe them. Yes, Germany was to blame for Yugoslavia's disintegration (!). it was they who were ruling Serbs when they elected the visionary Sloba and Croats Tujman, the people who voted them in, are not responsible. I wonder if brits today feel a conspiracy at hand with the Scots, or was it only Yugoslavia that was worth the experiment

Every country and every nation has the right to remember their own victims and Dacic and the Serbian government has the right to do so. However, I need to comment on the following statement he made:
“Today, after the genocide we suffered in the two world wars for being on the right side of the international community, I think Serbia has done absolutely nothing to deserve to have itself and its interests treated unfairly by the international community, because Serbia has always been on the side of those fighting against fascism and genocidal policy, such as the one exhibited here in Draginac.”
First, there is an assumption and a subjective opinion on his end that Serbia and its interests are being treated unfairly by the international community. Let’s assume that this opinion is correct; I am having trouble understanding how he completely ignores anything and everything that happened between 1945 – 2012?! The fact that he erases everything that Serbia did in the 90ties is beyond comprehension. In his opinion, EU should forget about everything wrong that Serbia did in the 90ties just because they were on the right side of history in WWI and WWII?! Serbia is being treated the way it is being treated by the international community not because of the right things they did during WWI and WWII but rather of the wrong things they did in the 90ties. Until people like him are sitting on the highest posts of the government, there will be no stability in the Balkans.

@ Krusty the Clown or what ever your name is...Read the speech, its the TRUTH...and btw according too some western goverment sources the loss of Serbians in WWII was more like 1 million ...Tito ,Slobo and the former leaders suppressed the facts because the Truth hurts more than the lies...

All good points in the speech, but its just as much about what he doesn't say. The 1990s are missed out for starters.

This speech does not mention with even a single word (!) the Balkan Wars from the 1990s.

Blanking out whole chapters of Balkan history and making correlation between WW1 and EU membership is indeed a specialty which only Serbian politicians are capable of.

"We also believe that Serbia has a right to another chance and this is why we must not only remember, but constantly highlight the victims we had, because our victims have been forgotten, because history has been twisted and the nations which were defeated in World War One and World War Two have now become more important factors in the Balkans than Serbia and the Serbian people."

No, the 'nations that were defeated in WW2', especially Germany, are aware of the crimes their Soldiers committed. Everybody knows that, only a few nationlist extremists deny it. They don't try to twist history. On the other hand, it's Mr. Dacic who tries to twist history, who tries to deny or downplay the Srebrencia genocide, and doesn't accept the fact that Serbian soldiers committed horrible crimes only some decades ago. And I think the problem with national extremists is a lot higher in Serbia than in the 'defeated countries'.

Nikolle, I understand your point of view as I know your source of information. As such, Slobo was far less as Nationalist than a Federalist. His intentions were to keep the Federation together. His abandoning nationalistic notions and signing the Dayton Accord offers evidence to him not being a nationalist, but alas thought, and understanding are not synonomous with reading newspaper articles that have someone else's thoughts digested for you. Izetbegovic was not only a nationalist, and a fascist (as he was infact a memeber of the Bosnian SS junior corpe as a youngster, had written a a handful of facsist and radical works that encouraged hatred.
furthermore, your simple assertion that a nationalist is a facsist is quite wrong. a fascist is a nationalist, but the reciprical is not necessarily true. a nationalist is simply someone who loves their own nation.

please spare me sentimentality tiredNick. Sloba was a commie? not really, Soba ultimately was a madman, a democratically elected one, but a crazed individual nonetheless. truth is, he did start out as a commie, than he reverted to extreme serbian nationalism (and a nationalist is by definition to the extreme right), not out of any ideological reasons, but exploitation. of course, we'll never get you guys to admit this, but its true. put aside the harm he did to non-serbs in what was Yugoslavia, he did an awful lot of damage to Serbia too, damage which you're still struggling to recover. well, was it worth it, elected a man like that?

Gut full of the BS

no not really. Tito was not much of a communist, he was leaning to the left, but no to the extreme left. Sloba did start out a commie, he did not pursue his political career running to the left, he exploited Serb sentiments (not Yugoslav ones) to gain power. its true i'm sorry but it is. no point in blaming Slovenes and Croats and Germany on this one

As for the article itself, yes i agree with you, tragic event in your peoples history indeed, however, Mr Dacic himself is attempting to use such an event for political advantage. read the speech. it is not dedicated to combating fascism, its all about some perceived injustice that Serbia is suffering now from those inside the EU (who's leaders are not fascist)

as far as defending slobo, i think you're jumping to conclusions that you'd like to see. simply put slobo wasn't a facsist, as you claim. his federalism was eveident, though you wish to ignore it. he infact mobilized the yugoslav army. it is infact the jna that was bombarded in bosnia while they were stepping back during an agreed upon retreat. it happens that mostly serbs were the remaining federalists, and so it is convenient to assume it was a serb army.
your ease at throwing around words like fascist without regard for the obvious suspects is laughable. as you said, slobo didn't care for and simply played around with the emotions of the kosovoar serbs, is further evidence to support his lack of facsism and even ethincally motivated nationalism, but rather addes significant creedeence to his being a federalist.

(Nikolle, 16 October 2012 12:18)

Tito had Titoism, Stalin had Stalinism, Mao had Maoism etc. Each had it’s own theory that deviated from but was Communist. Tito himself was a conscious opportunist using populism to expand and solidify his dictatorship. Slobo was no different in that aspect, those minorities that continued the Yugoslav ideals were deemed loyalists and those that didn’t were treated how Tito would have dealt with them.

Yours is one interpretation of the Dacic speech, a narrow one, a broader interpretation is that he acknowledged neglected victims which leads to reconciliation and offered clarity of Serbia's ideals in history.

When the first president of Croatia claimed less than a million Jews perished in the holocaust and only a few tens of thousand killed in Jasenovac is acclaimed in one of Germany’s largest mainstream newspapers as a courageous man for those views, is this blameless?

Tudjman states at a German diplomatic conference in 1989 that when he becomes the leader of Croatia, that the soil in Krajina would be red with blood. German leadership did what? Decided he reformed then broke ranks with the Badinter commision and gave the madman diplomatic recognition. Is this blameless?

The role of the BND is this blameless?

I can see why the Serbs blame Germany and Croatia less so Slovenia but I don’t think many Serbs apart from a few Yugo-nostalgics in that territory care to much about Slovenia.

(Nikolle, 17 October 2012 16:38)

Na, conspiracy theories should largely be unknown to the public.

Those I posted are facts that contributed to;

a) Milosevic gaining sentiments
b) Igniting the wars
c) Reason why you can also point the finger at the Germans & Croats

Sorry Nikolle actuality is different from your reality and one man don't get to tango by himself as you are lead to believe.