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Scots to hold independence referendum in 2014

British PM David Cameron and Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond have signed an agreement that will allow for a referendum on Scottish independence.

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Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

Belgrade didn't refuse to accept the will of the Croats, but the border between two peoples wasn't established and Croatia refused to accept the will of Croatian Serbs.
(aaayyy, 16 October 2012 21:17)

Belgrade didn't recognise the independence of Croatia until after Operation Storm in 1995. The border was based on the border of Croatia in SFR Yugoslavia and that is what it is today. My point stands.

Yes we've seen the proposed Greater Serbia which includes huges parts of Dalmatia, Slavonia and Lika. But that was never going to happen.

aaayyy

pre 11 godina

However that situation wouldn't arrise as Westminster will respect the will of the Scottish people therefore there wouldn't be a need for war, unlike Belgrade refusing to accept the will of the Croats and Bosniaks; which led to war. Also don't forget who fired the first shots in break-up of Yugoslavia in Slovenia in 1991.
(Ian, UK, 16 October 2012 12:02)

Belgrade didn't refuse to accept the will of the Croats, but the border between two peoples wasn't established and Croatia refused to accept the will of Croatian Serbs.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

Well they might if the Scots started attacking British Army Baracks and shooting Policemen dead like the Croats and Bosnian Muslims did.
(Englishman, 15 October 2012 22:52)

However that situation wouldn't arrise as Westminster will respect the will of the Scottish people therefore there wouldn't be a need for war, unlike Belgrade refusing to accept the will of the Croats and Bosniaks; which led to war. Also don't forget who fired the first shots in break-up of Yugoslavia in Slovenia in 1991.

Graham

pre 11 godina

Yey! The Scottish will have the choice to choose between having a globalist Scottish government, ruled by the banksters, mega corporations, NATO, US foreign policy and EU mandarins OR a globalist UK government, ruled by the banksters, mega corporations, NATO, US foreign policy and EU mandarins.

But won't the flag and the seat on the UN look pretty?

As a Scottish voter I really can't wait for this wonderful choice. Bring it on!

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

Look at some obvious facts first. The UK is talking about a referendum. The breakup of YU didn't have that pleasure. The EU didn't want to accept a country that could compete with them economically after. Instead they (Austrians and Hungarians) instigated the break-up by recognizing the illegal seperation of the republics.

Of course, your reasoning is that the evil Serbs created all this mess and killed everyone else since it was such a profitable thing to do and helped to build a better society.

You Serb hating albos should realize one thing.... you would be better off living with the Serb entity today.
(Radovan, 15 October 2012 21:45)

The break up of Yugoslavia was very inconvenient for the EU and they didn't support it at first, hence why Slovenia and Croatia weren't recognised by the EU countries until mid 1992 despite declaring their independence a year beforehand. It ruined all the EU's plans, Yugoslavia would have been in the EU by now if it weren't for the break up of Yugoslavia. The EU always had been very friendly with Yugoslavia and wanted it as a member after the fall of Socialism.

Blaming the EU for the break-up of Yugoslavia is another example of refusing to take any blame, pointing the finger elsewhere and playing the victim once again. When you should be looking how Serbs dominated 4/8 of the Yugoslav Federation.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

Zoran: Croatia's borders were also pretty well established.

Radovan: I wonder if Brits today feel there's a conspiracy at play here :-)

MikeC: I do remember it very well, however, it still pales into insignificance compared to 1999

Englishman: No I'm pretty sure the English would not revert to collective blame and send tanks through Scottish villages

Wee Kelpie

pre 11 godina

IS SEAN CONNERY GOING TO GIVE HIS KNIGHTHOOD BACK TO THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND AFTER HE VOTES FOR SCOTLAND TO SECEDE? IT IS KIND OF HYPOCRITICAL (LUCIANO, 15 OCTOBER 2012 19:30)

IF, and I repeat IF, the Scots vote for Independences and the opportunity is taken She will still be a part of the Commonwealth in which all honours granted (before or after) are just as equal to those granted to British citizens.

AND THAT A LARGE ENGLISH MINORITY DON'T LIVE IN SCOTLAND NOR DO A LARGE SCOTTISH MINORITY LIVE IN ENGLAND. (ZORAN, 15 OCTOBER 2012 20:49)

The British Isles is so entwined that large minorities do exist both north and south. There is also heredity ethnicity that as evolved over the past 300years due in part to the movement of British regiments around the Isles and the settlement of retired soldiers, and the big one, the massive migration of families for economic reasons (which still exists) which saw many Irish arrive for the boom in Canals and railways and Scots arrive for the cotton industry.
I am Anglo-Celt, though I prefer British. My mother is from Fifeshire. My father’s paternal ancestry is from the West Coast of Scotland and maternally from what is now Northern Ireland.
Most Brits have a colourful ancestry, which is rather comical when you hear racist comments aimed at, say, the Irish by an English ‘patriot’ named Murphy!
(PS, do not dismiss the EU’s role in this affair lightly. The UK is a pain in EU’s rear, anything is possible to weaken our position)

JD

pre 11 godina

Go for it Scotland and good luck to you!!

I wonder what name the English and Welsh will call what remains of the so called UK, Little Britain, Smaller Britain, not so Great Britain, Rump Britain??? Lol!! I have a good name they can use....Mongrel Land!! LOL LOL!!!
(Deliverence, 15 October 2012 17:31)

How about Britain Lite???

usaSERB

pre 11 godina

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???
(Ardi Asllani, 15 October 2012 19:51)

You totally failed to see the difference. Scotland is inhabited by native Scottish citizens. Scottish=Scotland. Albanian=Albania not Kosovo. Kosovo is inhabited by illegal immigrates from country called Albania.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 11 godina

I wonder what that Scotsman Chef Gordan Ramsey (that famous or infamous chef who has a quick temper or at least seems opinionated) thinks of the Scottish referendum? Anyone know?

kosovo is serbian

pre 11 godina

Not likely going to happen any time soon since it is inhabited by Serbians.
(Radovan, 15 October 2012 18:53)

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???
(Ardi Asllani, 15 October 2012 19:51) first if scotland wants to leave its the will of the people and second kosovo is inhabited by serbs and bugs and monkeys...kosovo is serbian lands...

Englishman

pre 11 godina

i'm pretty sure the brits are not going to kill one another the way Yugoslavs did should their entities decide to go their separate ways. for that matter i'm also certain the english are not going to attack the scots for breaking away (unlike serbs did to croats and bosnians and k.albanians) in that respect at least, the heavenly people can take lessons
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 19:03)

Well they might if the Scots started attacking British Army Baracks and shooting Policemen dead like the Croats and Bosnian Muslims did.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

"for that matter i'm also certain the english are not going to attack the scots for breaking away (unlike serbs did to croats and bosnians and k.albanians) in that respect at least, the heavenly people can take lessons"

Nikolle

And I'm pretty sure the scotts will not burn down british churches and expell the british population should they become independence. Unlike albanians in Kosovo who after the war ended until today are continuing they pogrom of expulsion and the destruction of Serbian heritage in Kosovo. The pogrom of 2004 in fresh memmory, but not something you want to remember, right Nikolle?

Radovan

pre 11 godina

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???
(Ardi Asllani, 15 October 2012 19:51)

Lol.. Who knows for sure. The albos did not want to take part in any census. It is safe to say that that the province is inhabited by illegal immigrants from another Western created state... i.e. Albania!!!

Add Albania next to Turkey as places I expect to see break apart and balkanized in the next 50 years. :)

???

pre 11 godina

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???
(Ardi Asllani, 15 October 2012 19:51)

Permanent tourists? land grabbers? terrorists?

TP

pre 11 godina

'Is Sean Connery going to give his knighthood back to the Queen of England after he votes for Scotland to secede?'

Luciano

He won't have to.

It is possible for anyone in the world to receive a knighthood from the Queen. Steven Spielberg has one, as have many others. The difference is that only those citizens of the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a few others are allowed to use the prefix 'Sir'

And those who think that Scotland will be gaining its freedom from 'England' ought to understand that the same, I hope, will be true for the other British nations. Scotland has been over-represented in UK politics, banking, media, police, military and God only knows what else for far too long now, and they already enjoy, undoubtedly with English money, education and healthcare rights no longer available to the ordinary people of England.

Time, indeed, for them to go.

Radovan

pre 11 godina

i'm pretty sure the brits are not going to kill one another the way Yugoslavs did should their entities decide to go their separate ways. for that matter i'm also certain the english are not going to attack the scots for breaking away (unlike serbs did to croats and bosnians and k.albanians) in that respect at least, the heavenly people can take lessons
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 19:03)

Look at some obvious facts first. The UK is talking about a referendum. The breakup of YU didn't have that pleasure. The EU didn't want to accept a country that could compete with them economically after. Instead they (Austrians and Hungarians) instigated the break-up by recognizing the illegal seperation of the republics.

Of course, your reasoning is that the evil Serbs created all this mess and killed everyone else since it was such a profitable thing to do and helped to build a better society.

You Serb hating albos should realize one thing.... you would be better off living with the Serb entity today.

I.B.C.

pre 11 godina

From what I read the greek majority in south Albania are organizing and preparing to leave impoverished Albania very soon.
(MikeC, 15 October 2012 18:56)

Where did you read it? Please enlighten us. Are you sure the adjective "impoverished" applies to Albania or should you change its subject? I spent three weeks in Southern Albania in summer and saw no Greek majority there. Things must have evolved quick hell in two months

I.B.C.

pre 11 godina

"British PM David Cameron and Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond have signed an agreement that will allow for a referendum on Scottish independence"

Learn Serbia!

Zoran

pre 11 godina

i'm pretty sure the brits are not going to kill one another the way Yugoslavs did should their entities decide to go their separate ways...
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 19:03)
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I'm pretty sure the Scottish border has been established for centuries and that a large English minority don't live in Scotland nor do a large Scottish minority live in England.

I am absolutely sure that Germany and the Vatican won't team up to prematurely recognise Scotland before the two entities negotiate themselves. Oh, and I bet the Scottish won't start a terrorist campaign against the British with support from the US.

Having said that, I wish Scotland all the best on their path to independence.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

MikeC

go to southern albania and see how many greeks live there. i did write greek, not orthodox albanians. religion and ethnicity/nationality are different things. i read here the other day that Shkodra apparently is full of Montenegrins, that one, i'd never heard before.

Mirel from Albania

pre 11 godina

...From what I read the greek majority in south Albania are organizing and preparing to leave impoverished Albania very soon.
(MikeC, 15 October 2012 18:56) ....

Greek majority in S Albania???
Hahahaha!
R u OK or u are under drugs?Greek population in South Albania is only in 90 villages and dont exceed more than 60 thousand people in 1.5 milion albanians who live in South.
And if you travel in those 90 villages they are empty anyway,because most of the people are in Greece.
I am orthodox myself and I can tell u with 100% certenty that there is NO major city nor large towns where greeks have majority.
If they have e referendum in those 90 villages OK,but albanians in South Epirus shpuld have the right for referendum too,and I can tell u that there are more than 600 albanians speaking villiges in South Epirus who still speak albanian.

We will see the last census result and you will see that greek minority has shrinked because they live in Greece already and they were not counted along with albanians living abroad.
All we know is that 70% of albanians didnt put any religion in the religion column.

I really rescpect what Cameron is doing,and I wished that Miloshevic would have done the same with Kosovo.
But hey serbs are not english.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

i'm pretty sure the brits are not going to kill one another the way Yugoslavs did should their entities decide to go their separate ways. for that matter i'm also certain the english are not going to attack the scots for breaking away (unlike serbs did to croats and bosnians and k.albanians) in that respect at least, the heavenly people can take lessons

Mark

pre 11 godina

From what I read the greek majority in south Albania are organizing and preparing to leave impoverished Albania very soon.
(MikeC, 15 October 2012 18:56)

Yes next Tuesday around 3:51 pm. You are invited.Bring some people from Presevo Valley,Vojvodina, and Sandzak with you.

luciano

pre 11 godina

Is Sean Connery going to give his knighthood back to the Queen of England after he votes for Scotland to secede?It is kind of hypocritical for him to be a leading proponent of Scottish independence even though he kneeled before the Queen and accepted his title from her.Hypocrisy at work folks.

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

Not likely going to happen any time soon since it is inhabited by Serbians.
(Radovan, 15 October 2012 18:53)

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???

Radovan

pre 11 godina

Vojvodina should do the same.
(Avni, 15 October 2012 18:08)

Why? Because of your hatred of the Serbian state and it's people?

Not likely going to happen any time soon since it is inhabited by Serbians.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

"Vojvodina should do the same."

Avni

...and Northern Epirus in south Albania and Republika Srpska.

From what I read the greek majority in south Albania are organizing and preparing to leave impoverished Albania very soon.

Deliverence

pre 11 godina

Go for it Scotland and good luck to you!!

I wonder what name the English and Welsh will call what remains of the so called UK, Little Britain, Smaller Britain, not so Great Britain, Rump Britain??? Lol!! I have a good name they can use....Mongrel Land!! LOL LOL!!!

Radovan

pre 11 godina

Vojvodina should do the same.
(Avni, 15 October 2012 18:08)

Why? Because of your hatred of the Serbian state and it's people?

Not likely going to happen any time soon since it is inhabited by Serbians.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

i'm pretty sure the brits are not going to kill one another the way Yugoslavs did should their entities decide to go their separate ways. for that matter i'm also certain the english are not going to attack the scots for breaking away (unlike serbs did to croats and bosnians and k.albanians) in that respect at least, the heavenly people can take lessons

Deliverence

pre 11 godina

Go for it Scotland and good luck to you!!

I wonder what name the English and Welsh will call what remains of the so called UK, Little Britain, Smaller Britain, not so Great Britain, Rump Britain??? Lol!! I have a good name they can use....Mongrel Land!! LOL LOL!!!

MikeC

pre 11 godina

"Vojvodina should do the same."

Avni

...and Northern Epirus in south Albania and Republika Srpska.

From what I read the greek majority in south Albania are organizing and preparing to leave impoverished Albania very soon.

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

Not likely going to happen any time soon since it is inhabited by Serbians.
(Radovan, 15 October 2012 18:53)

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???

usaSERB

pre 11 godina

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???
(Ardi Asllani, 15 October 2012 19:51)

You totally failed to see the difference. Scotland is inhabited by native Scottish citizens. Scottish=Scotland. Albanian=Albania not Kosovo. Kosovo is inhabited by illegal immigrates from country called Albania.

Englishman

pre 11 godina

i'm pretty sure the brits are not going to kill one another the way Yugoslavs did should their entities decide to go their separate ways. for that matter i'm also certain the english are not going to attack the scots for breaking away (unlike serbs did to croats and bosnians and k.albanians) in that respect at least, the heavenly people can take lessons
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 19:03)

Well they might if the Scots started attacking British Army Baracks and shooting Policemen dead like the Croats and Bosnian Muslims did.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

MikeC

go to southern albania and see how many greeks live there. i did write greek, not orthodox albanians. religion and ethnicity/nationality are different things. i read here the other day that Shkodra apparently is full of Montenegrins, that one, i'd never heard before.

luciano

pre 11 godina

Is Sean Connery going to give his knighthood back to the Queen of England after he votes for Scotland to secede?It is kind of hypocritical for him to be a leading proponent of Scottish independence even though he kneeled before the Queen and accepted his title from her.Hypocrisy at work folks.

Mirel from Albania

pre 11 godina

...From what I read the greek majority in south Albania are organizing and preparing to leave impoverished Albania very soon.
(MikeC, 15 October 2012 18:56) ....

Greek majority in S Albania???
Hahahaha!
R u OK or u are under drugs?Greek population in South Albania is only in 90 villages and dont exceed more than 60 thousand people in 1.5 milion albanians who live in South.
And if you travel in those 90 villages they are empty anyway,because most of the people are in Greece.
I am orthodox myself and I can tell u with 100% certenty that there is NO major city nor large towns where greeks have majority.
If they have e referendum in those 90 villages OK,but albanians in South Epirus shpuld have the right for referendum too,and I can tell u that there are more than 600 albanians speaking villiges in South Epirus who still speak albanian.

We will see the last census result and you will see that greek minority has shrinked because they live in Greece already and they were not counted along with albanians living abroad.
All we know is that 70% of albanians didnt put any religion in the religion column.

I really rescpect what Cameron is doing,and I wished that Miloshevic would have done the same with Kosovo.
But hey serbs are not english.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

Well they might if the Scots started attacking British Army Baracks and shooting Policemen dead like the Croats and Bosnian Muslims did.
(Englishman, 15 October 2012 22:52)

However that situation wouldn't arrise as Westminster will respect the will of the Scottish people therefore there wouldn't be a need for war, unlike Belgrade refusing to accept the will of the Croats and Bosniaks; which led to war. Also don't forget who fired the first shots in break-up of Yugoslavia in Slovenia in 1991.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

Look at some obvious facts first. The UK is talking about a referendum. The breakup of YU didn't have that pleasure. The EU didn't want to accept a country that could compete with them economically after. Instead they (Austrians and Hungarians) instigated the break-up by recognizing the illegal seperation of the republics.

Of course, your reasoning is that the evil Serbs created all this mess and killed everyone else since it was such a profitable thing to do and helped to build a better society.

You Serb hating albos should realize one thing.... you would be better off living with the Serb entity today.
(Radovan, 15 October 2012 21:45)

The break up of Yugoslavia was very inconvenient for the EU and they didn't support it at first, hence why Slovenia and Croatia weren't recognised by the EU countries until mid 1992 despite declaring their independence a year beforehand. It ruined all the EU's plans, Yugoslavia would have been in the EU by now if it weren't for the break up of Yugoslavia. The EU always had been very friendly with Yugoslavia and wanted it as a member after the fall of Socialism.

Blaming the EU for the break-up of Yugoslavia is another example of refusing to take any blame, pointing the finger elsewhere and playing the victim once again. When you should be looking how Serbs dominated 4/8 of the Yugoslav Federation.

Graham

pre 11 godina

Yey! The Scottish will have the choice to choose between having a globalist Scottish government, ruled by the banksters, mega corporations, NATO, US foreign policy and EU mandarins OR a globalist UK government, ruled by the banksters, mega corporations, NATO, US foreign policy and EU mandarins.

But won't the flag and the seat on the UN look pretty?

As a Scottish voter I really can't wait for this wonderful choice. Bring it on!

I.B.C.

pre 11 godina

"British PM David Cameron and Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond have signed an agreement that will allow for a referendum on Scottish independence"

Learn Serbia!

Zoran

pre 11 godina

i'm pretty sure the brits are not going to kill one another the way Yugoslavs did should their entities decide to go their separate ways...
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 19:03)
--
I'm pretty sure the Scottish border has been established for centuries and that a large English minority don't live in Scotland nor do a large Scottish minority live in England.

I am absolutely sure that Germany and the Vatican won't team up to prematurely recognise Scotland before the two entities negotiate themselves. Oh, and I bet the Scottish won't start a terrorist campaign against the British with support from the US.

Having said that, I wish Scotland all the best on their path to independence.

Radovan

pre 11 godina

i'm pretty sure the brits are not going to kill one another the way Yugoslavs did should their entities decide to go their separate ways. for that matter i'm also certain the english are not going to attack the scots for breaking away (unlike serbs did to croats and bosnians and k.albanians) in that respect at least, the heavenly people can take lessons
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 19:03)

Look at some obvious facts first. The UK is talking about a referendum. The breakup of YU didn't have that pleasure. The EU didn't want to accept a country that could compete with them economically after. Instead they (Austrians and Hungarians) instigated the break-up by recognizing the illegal seperation of the republics.

Of course, your reasoning is that the evil Serbs created all this mess and killed everyone else since it was such a profitable thing to do and helped to build a better society.

You Serb hating albos should realize one thing.... you would be better off living with the Serb entity today.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

"for that matter i'm also certain the english are not going to attack the scots for breaking away (unlike serbs did to croats and bosnians and k.albanians) in that respect at least, the heavenly people can take lessons"

Nikolle

And I'm pretty sure the scotts will not burn down british churches and expell the british population should they become independence. Unlike albanians in Kosovo who after the war ended until today are continuing they pogrom of expulsion and the destruction of Serbian heritage in Kosovo. The pogrom of 2004 in fresh memmory, but not something you want to remember, right Nikolle?

TP

pre 11 godina

'Is Sean Connery going to give his knighthood back to the Queen of England after he votes for Scotland to secede?'

Luciano

He won't have to.

It is possible for anyone in the world to receive a knighthood from the Queen. Steven Spielberg has one, as have many others. The difference is that only those citizens of the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a few others are allowed to use the prefix 'Sir'

And those who think that Scotland will be gaining its freedom from 'England' ought to understand that the same, I hope, will be true for the other British nations. Scotland has been over-represented in UK politics, banking, media, police, military and God only knows what else for far too long now, and they already enjoy, undoubtedly with English money, education and healthcare rights no longer available to the ordinary people of England.

Time, indeed, for them to go.

Mark

pre 11 godina

From what I read the greek majority in south Albania are organizing and preparing to leave impoverished Albania very soon.
(MikeC, 15 October 2012 18:56)

Yes next Tuesday around 3:51 pm. You are invited.Bring some people from Presevo Valley,Vojvodina, and Sandzak with you.

I.B.C.

pre 11 godina

From what I read the greek majority in south Albania are organizing and preparing to leave impoverished Albania very soon.
(MikeC, 15 October 2012 18:56)

Where did you read it? Please enlighten us. Are you sure the adjective "impoverished" applies to Albania or should you change its subject? I spent three weeks in Southern Albania in summer and saw no Greek majority there. Things must have evolved quick hell in two months

Radovan

pre 11 godina

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???
(Ardi Asllani, 15 October 2012 19:51)

Lol.. Who knows for sure. The albos did not want to take part in any census. It is safe to say that that the province is inhabited by illegal immigrants from another Western created state... i.e. Albania!!!

Add Albania next to Turkey as places I expect to see break apart and balkanized in the next 50 years. :)

???

pre 11 godina

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???
(Ardi Asllani, 15 October 2012 19:51)

Permanent tourists? land grabbers? terrorists?

kosovo is serbian

pre 11 godina

Not likely going to happen any time soon since it is inhabited by Serbians.
(Radovan, 15 October 2012 18:53)

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???
(Ardi Asllani, 15 October 2012 19:51) first if scotland wants to leave its the will of the people and second kosovo is inhabited by serbs and bugs and monkeys...kosovo is serbian lands...

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

Belgrade didn't refuse to accept the will of the Croats, but the border between two peoples wasn't established and Croatia refused to accept the will of Croatian Serbs.
(aaayyy, 16 October 2012 21:17)

Belgrade didn't recognise the independence of Croatia until after Operation Storm in 1995. The border was based on the border of Croatia in SFR Yugoslavia and that is what it is today. My point stands.

Yes we've seen the proposed Greater Serbia which includes huges parts of Dalmatia, Slavonia and Lika. But that was never going to happen.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

Zoran: Croatia's borders were also pretty well established.

Radovan: I wonder if Brits today feel there's a conspiracy at play here :-)

MikeC: I do remember it very well, however, it still pales into insignificance compared to 1999

Englishman: No I'm pretty sure the English would not revert to collective blame and send tanks through Scottish villages

Wee Kelpie

pre 11 godina

IS SEAN CONNERY GOING TO GIVE HIS KNIGHTHOOD BACK TO THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND AFTER HE VOTES FOR SCOTLAND TO SECEDE? IT IS KIND OF HYPOCRITICAL (LUCIANO, 15 OCTOBER 2012 19:30)

IF, and I repeat IF, the Scots vote for Independences and the opportunity is taken She will still be a part of the Commonwealth in which all honours granted (before or after) are just as equal to those granted to British citizens.

AND THAT A LARGE ENGLISH MINORITY DON'T LIVE IN SCOTLAND NOR DO A LARGE SCOTTISH MINORITY LIVE IN ENGLAND. (ZORAN, 15 OCTOBER 2012 20:49)

The British Isles is so entwined that large minorities do exist both north and south. There is also heredity ethnicity that as evolved over the past 300years due in part to the movement of British regiments around the Isles and the settlement of retired soldiers, and the big one, the massive migration of families for economic reasons (which still exists) which saw many Irish arrive for the boom in Canals and railways and Scots arrive for the cotton industry.
I am Anglo-Celt, though I prefer British. My mother is from Fifeshire. My father’s paternal ancestry is from the West Coast of Scotland and maternally from what is now Northern Ireland.
Most Brits have a colourful ancestry, which is rather comical when you hear racist comments aimed at, say, the Irish by an English ‘patriot’ named Murphy!
(PS, do not dismiss the EU’s role in this affair lightly. The UK is a pain in EU’s rear, anything is possible to weaken our position)

aaayyy

pre 11 godina

However that situation wouldn't arrise as Westminster will respect the will of the Scottish people therefore there wouldn't be a need for war, unlike Belgrade refusing to accept the will of the Croats and Bosniaks; which led to war. Also don't forget who fired the first shots in break-up of Yugoslavia in Slovenia in 1991.
(Ian, UK, 16 October 2012 12:02)

Belgrade didn't refuse to accept the will of the Croats, but the border between two peoples wasn't established and Croatia refused to accept the will of Croatian Serbs.

JD

pre 11 godina

Go for it Scotland and good luck to you!!

I wonder what name the English and Welsh will call what remains of the so called UK, Little Britain, Smaller Britain, not so Great Britain, Rump Britain??? Lol!! I have a good name they can use....Mongrel Land!! LOL LOL!!!
(Deliverence, 15 October 2012 17:31)

How about Britain Lite???

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 11 godina

I wonder what that Scotsman Chef Gordan Ramsey (that famous or infamous chef who has a quick temper or at least seems opinionated) thinks of the Scottish referendum? Anyone know?

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

i'm pretty sure the brits are not going to kill one another the way Yugoslavs did should their entities decide to go their separate ways. for that matter i'm also certain the english are not going to attack the scots for breaking away (unlike serbs did to croats and bosnians and k.albanians) in that respect at least, the heavenly people can take lessons

Deliverence

pre 11 godina

Go for it Scotland and good luck to you!!

I wonder what name the English and Welsh will call what remains of the so called UK, Little Britain, Smaller Britain, not so Great Britain, Rump Britain??? Lol!! I have a good name they can use....Mongrel Land!! LOL LOL!!!

MikeC

pre 11 godina

"Vojvodina should do the same."

Avni

...and Northern Epirus in south Albania and Republika Srpska.

From what I read the greek majority in south Albania are organizing and preparing to leave impoverished Albania very soon.

Radovan

pre 11 godina

Vojvodina should do the same.
(Avni, 15 October 2012 18:08)

Why? Because of your hatred of the Serbian state and it's people?

Not likely going to happen any time soon since it is inhabited by Serbians.

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

Not likely going to happen any time soon since it is inhabited by Serbians.
(Radovan, 15 October 2012 18:53)

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???

usaSERB

pre 11 godina

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???
(Ardi Asllani, 15 October 2012 19:51)

You totally failed to see the difference. Scotland is inhabited by native Scottish citizens. Scottish=Scotland. Albanian=Albania not Kosovo. Kosovo is inhabited by illegal immigrates from country called Albania.

luciano

pre 11 godina

Is Sean Connery going to give his knighthood back to the Queen of England after he votes for Scotland to secede?It is kind of hypocritical for him to be a leading proponent of Scottish independence even though he kneeled before the Queen and accepted his title from her.Hypocrisy at work folks.

kosovo is serbian

pre 11 godina

Not likely going to happen any time soon since it is inhabited by Serbians.
(Radovan, 15 October 2012 18:53)

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???
(Ardi Asllani, 15 October 2012 19:51) first if scotland wants to leave its the will of the people and second kosovo is inhabited by serbs and bugs and monkeys...kosovo is serbian lands...

Zoran

pre 11 godina

i'm pretty sure the brits are not going to kill one another the way Yugoslavs did should their entities decide to go their separate ways...
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 19:03)
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I'm pretty sure the Scottish border has been established for centuries and that a large English minority don't live in Scotland nor do a large Scottish minority live in England.

I am absolutely sure that Germany and the Vatican won't team up to prematurely recognise Scotland before the two entities negotiate themselves. Oh, and I bet the Scottish won't start a terrorist campaign against the British with support from the US.

Having said that, I wish Scotland all the best on their path to independence.

Radovan

pre 11 godina

i'm pretty sure the brits are not going to kill one another the way Yugoslavs did should their entities decide to go their separate ways. for that matter i'm also certain the english are not going to attack the scots for breaking away (unlike serbs did to croats and bosnians and k.albanians) in that respect at least, the heavenly people can take lessons
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 19:03)

Look at some obvious facts first. The UK is talking about a referendum. The breakup of YU didn't have that pleasure. The EU didn't want to accept a country that could compete with them economically after. Instead they (Austrians and Hungarians) instigated the break-up by recognizing the illegal seperation of the republics.

Of course, your reasoning is that the evil Serbs created all this mess and killed everyone else since it was such a profitable thing to do and helped to build a better society.

You Serb hating albos should realize one thing.... you would be better off living with the Serb entity today.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

"for that matter i'm also certain the english are not going to attack the scots for breaking away (unlike serbs did to croats and bosnians and k.albanians) in that respect at least, the heavenly people can take lessons"

Nikolle

And I'm pretty sure the scotts will not burn down british churches and expell the british population should they become independence. Unlike albanians in Kosovo who after the war ended until today are continuing they pogrom of expulsion and the destruction of Serbian heritage in Kosovo. The pogrom of 2004 in fresh memmory, but not something you want to remember, right Nikolle?

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

MikeC

go to southern albania and see how many greeks live there. i did write greek, not orthodox albanians. religion and ethnicity/nationality are different things. i read here the other day that Shkodra apparently is full of Montenegrins, that one, i'd never heard before.

Mirel from Albania

pre 11 godina

...From what I read the greek majority in south Albania are organizing and preparing to leave impoverished Albania very soon.
(MikeC, 15 October 2012 18:56) ....

Greek majority in S Albania???
Hahahaha!
R u OK or u are under drugs?Greek population in South Albania is only in 90 villages and dont exceed more than 60 thousand people in 1.5 milion albanians who live in South.
And if you travel in those 90 villages they are empty anyway,because most of the people are in Greece.
I am orthodox myself and I can tell u with 100% certenty that there is NO major city nor large towns where greeks have majority.
If they have e referendum in those 90 villages OK,but albanians in South Epirus shpuld have the right for referendum too,and I can tell u that there are more than 600 albanians speaking villiges in South Epirus who still speak albanian.

We will see the last census result and you will see that greek minority has shrinked because they live in Greece already and they were not counted along with albanians living abroad.
All we know is that 70% of albanians didnt put any religion in the religion column.

I really rescpect what Cameron is doing,and I wished that Miloshevic would have done the same with Kosovo.
But hey serbs are not english.

I.B.C.

pre 11 godina

"British PM David Cameron and Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond have signed an agreement that will allow for a referendum on Scottish independence"

Learn Serbia!

???

pre 11 godina

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???
(Ardi Asllani, 15 October 2012 19:51)

Permanent tourists? land grabbers? terrorists?

Englishman

pre 11 godina

i'm pretty sure the brits are not going to kill one another the way Yugoslavs did should their entities decide to go their separate ways. for that matter i'm also certain the english are not going to attack the scots for breaking away (unlike serbs did to croats and bosnians and k.albanians) in that respect at least, the heavenly people can take lessons
(Nikolle, 15 October 2012 19:03)

Well they might if the Scots started attacking British Army Baracks and shooting Policemen dead like the Croats and Bosnian Muslims did.

Mark

pre 11 godina

From what I read the greek majority in south Albania are organizing and preparing to leave impoverished Albania very soon.
(MikeC, 15 October 2012 18:56)

Yes next Tuesday around 3:51 pm. You are invited.Bring some people from Presevo Valley,Vojvodina, and Sandzak with you.

Radovan

pre 11 godina

and, what do you think Kosova is inhabited by???
(Ardi Asllani, 15 October 2012 19:51)

Lol.. Who knows for sure. The albos did not want to take part in any census. It is safe to say that that the province is inhabited by illegal immigrants from another Western created state... i.e. Albania!!!

Add Albania next to Turkey as places I expect to see break apart and balkanized in the next 50 years. :)

I.B.C.

pre 11 godina

From what I read the greek majority in south Albania are organizing and preparing to leave impoverished Albania very soon.
(MikeC, 15 October 2012 18:56)

Where did you read it? Please enlighten us. Are you sure the adjective "impoverished" applies to Albania or should you change its subject? I spent three weeks in Southern Albania in summer and saw no Greek majority there. Things must have evolved quick hell in two months

JD

pre 11 godina

Go for it Scotland and good luck to you!!

I wonder what name the English and Welsh will call what remains of the so called UK, Little Britain, Smaller Britain, not so Great Britain, Rump Britain??? Lol!! I have a good name they can use....Mongrel Land!! LOL LOL!!!
(Deliverence, 15 October 2012 17:31)

How about Britain Lite???

Wee Kelpie

pre 11 godina

IS SEAN CONNERY GOING TO GIVE HIS KNIGHTHOOD BACK TO THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND AFTER HE VOTES FOR SCOTLAND TO SECEDE? IT IS KIND OF HYPOCRITICAL (LUCIANO, 15 OCTOBER 2012 19:30)

IF, and I repeat IF, the Scots vote for Independences and the opportunity is taken She will still be a part of the Commonwealth in which all honours granted (before or after) are just as equal to those granted to British citizens.

AND THAT A LARGE ENGLISH MINORITY DON'T LIVE IN SCOTLAND NOR DO A LARGE SCOTTISH MINORITY LIVE IN ENGLAND. (ZORAN, 15 OCTOBER 2012 20:49)

The British Isles is so entwined that large minorities do exist both north and south. There is also heredity ethnicity that as evolved over the past 300years due in part to the movement of British regiments around the Isles and the settlement of retired soldiers, and the big one, the massive migration of families for economic reasons (which still exists) which saw many Irish arrive for the boom in Canals and railways and Scots arrive for the cotton industry.
I am Anglo-Celt, though I prefer British. My mother is from Fifeshire. My father’s paternal ancestry is from the West Coast of Scotland and maternally from what is now Northern Ireland.
Most Brits have a colourful ancestry, which is rather comical when you hear racist comments aimed at, say, the Irish by an English ‘patriot’ named Murphy!
(PS, do not dismiss the EU’s role in this affair lightly. The UK is a pain in EU’s rear, anything is possible to weaken our position)

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

Zoran: Croatia's borders were also pretty well established.

Radovan: I wonder if Brits today feel there's a conspiracy at play here :-)

MikeC: I do remember it very well, however, it still pales into insignificance compared to 1999

Englishman: No I'm pretty sure the English would not revert to collective blame and send tanks through Scottish villages

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

Look at some obvious facts first. The UK is talking about a referendum. The breakup of YU didn't have that pleasure. The EU didn't want to accept a country that could compete with them economically after. Instead they (Austrians and Hungarians) instigated the break-up by recognizing the illegal seperation of the republics.

Of course, your reasoning is that the evil Serbs created all this mess and killed everyone else since it was such a profitable thing to do and helped to build a better society.

You Serb hating albos should realize one thing.... you would be better off living with the Serb entity today.
(Radovan, 15 October 2012 21:45)

The break up of Yugoslavia was very inconvenient for the EU and they didn't support it at first, hence why Slovenia and Croatia weren't recognised by the EU countries until mid 1992 despite declaring their independence a year beforehand. It ruined all the EU's plans, Yugoslavia would have been in the EU by now if it weren't for the break up of Yugoslavia. The EU always had been very friendly with Yugoslavia and wanted it as a member after the fall of Socialism.

Blaming the EU for the break-up of Yugoslavia is another example of refusing to take any blame, pointing the finger elsewhere and playing the victim once again. When you should be looking how Serbs dominated 4/8 of the Yugoslav Federation.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

Well they might if the Scots started attacking British Army Baracks and shooting Policemen dead like the Croats and Bosnian Muslims did.
(Englishman, 15 October 2012 22:52)

However that situation wouldn't arrise as Westminster will respect the will of the Scottish people therefore there wouldn't be a need for war, unlike Belgrade refusing to accept the will of the Croats and Bosniaks; which led to war. Also don't forget who fired the first shots in break-up of Yugoslavia in Slovenia in 1991.

aaayyy

pre 11 godina

However that situation wouldn't arrise as Westminster will respect the will of the Scottish people therefore there wouldn't be a need for war, unlike Belgrade refusing to accept the will of the Croats and Bosniaks; which led to war. Also don't forget who fired the first shots in break-up of Yugoslavia in Slovenia in 1991.
(Ian, UK, 16 October 2012 12:02)

Belgrade didn't refuse to accept the will of the Croats, but the border between two peoples wasn't established and Croatia refused to accept the will of Croatian Serbs.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 11 godina

I wonder what that Scotsman Chef Gordan Ramsey (that famous or infamous chef who has a quick temper or at least seems opinionated) thinks of the Scottish referendum? Anyone know?

TP

pre 11 godina

'Is Sean Connery going to give his knighthood back to the Queen of England after he votes for Scotland to secede?'

Luciano

He won't have to.

It is possible for anyone in the world to receive a knighthood from the Queen. Steven Spielberg has one, as have many others. The difference is that only those citizens of the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a few others are allowed to use the prefix 'Sir'

And those who think that Scotland will be gaining its freedom from 'England' ought to understand that the same, I hope, will be true for the other British nations. Scotland has been over-represented in UK politics, banking, media, police, military and God only knows what else for far too long now, and they already enjoy, undoubtedly with English money, education and healthcare rights no longer available to the ordinary people of England.

Time, indeed, for them to go.

Graham

pre 11 godina

Yey! The Scottish will have the choice to choose between having a globalist Scottish government, ruled by the banksters, mega corporations, NATO, US foreign policy and EU mandarins OR a globalist UK government, ruled by the banksters, mega corporations, NATO, US foreign policy and EU mandarins.

But won't the flag and the seat on the UN look pretty?

As a Scottish voter I really can't wait for this wonderful choice. Bring it on!

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

Belgrade didn't refuse to accept the will of the Croats, but the border between two peoples wasn't established and Croatia refused to accept the will of Croatian Serbs.
(aaayyy, 16 October 2012 21:17)

Belgrade didn't recognise the independence of Croatia until after Operation Storm in 1995. The border was based on the border of Croatia in SFR Yugoslavia and that is what it is today. My point stands.

Yes we've seen the proposed Greater Serbia which includes huges parts of Dalmatia, Slavonia and Lika. But that was never going to happen.