@ Deliverence Please name once when I've had a 'dig' at the Serbian people. It is silly the amount if comments on so many different articles here on B92 which refer to WW2, even though the vast majority of articles have nothing to do with WW2.And no I am not Croatian. I was just making a valid point, what does WW2 have to do with Serbia's proposed EU membership? Nothing.Your leaders are talking BS as a distraction and to avoid issues.
With this bunch of politicians that Serbia has now, for Albanians is not necessary the diplomacy. Their Serbs counterpart is working very hard that all objectives of Albanian nation be accomplished. Thank you from the bottom of my heart Mr. Dacic, Mr. Nicolic and Mr. Jeremic. I sincerely consider you great friends of Albanians.
Serbia deserves to be in the EU if and when Serbia starts to be an equal among other European members. Serbia has a terrible human rights record (treatment of Roma and Gays), its judiciary system is politically charged, the NBS is now in direct supervision of government and then of course lets not forget corruption.
With talk like his The EU doesn't want and doesn't need Serbia.
We need to focus on the present and the future!
You cannot return to the past.
What Serbia needs is prosperity, with or without the E.U.
So to start with, why do many people like to live in Germany for example?
why do we not create a similar living standard in Serbia and other Balkan countries and southern European countries, that would be better.
We could have been a better and stronger country, but some nationalists: Croats/Albanians/Slovens, wanted to be independent in order to be dependant of Brussels :) And Slovenia actually dumped the rest of YU if it was not for the Serbs Slovenia would have been Austrian and probably most of the people would speak German by now..
Greece EU member since 1981, Italy member since 1956, Spain member since 1986, Are these countries as good as northern EU countries?
And to mention: each EU country has big external debts, how will each country repay that debt?
So why is it great to live in the EU? In Sweden/Germany/Netherlands/Belgium/Denmark life becomes more expensive and people need to work perhaps until 70 years before going to retirement, and in countries like Greece and Spain people retire in their 50s.. How will the future look like for the Balkan countries will they become like the southern EU countries or like Germany?
Well whatever Serbia does they need to do it in the interest of it's people and not the demands of some EU member states.
P.S.
Kosovo will either way be part of Serbia in the EU or outside the EU ;)
"The sooner Serbia forgets about joining the EU the sooner serbs can start taking som matters in to their own hands.
(Tom Tom, 14 October 2012 18:01) "
I heartily agree. As long as Serbs view necessary reforms as being blackmail by some outside force they will resent both the reforms and the outside force. If Serbs want clean and efficient government, an honest judiciary, and so on, they can probably figure out some way to get them other than by checking off items on an EU to-do list. Let the EU restrict its efforts at improvement (and funds, of course) to the countries that see some value in joining it. According to some survey done years ago, people are happiest in small countries (for local control) that belong to some larger union (for mutual protection), but if Serbia sees itself as large enough and powerful enough to go it alone, it might be better for all concerned it it did so. Mr. Fuele will find plenty to do, even without Serbia.
Now you understand what Albanians, Bosniaks and Croats feel when they think of Serbs.
(Avni, 14 October 2012 21:46)
What? I think WWII came before the recent Balkan wars. So, I should say something like "now you understand what Serbs feel like". At any rate, no people should suffer for a leader's greed.
What's "inappropriate" or "negative" about my comment?
"we should be in the EU because Nazis" and "we should be in the EU because fork" is the same child's argument. If it disturbs you having this pointed out, then good, you should be disturbed.
calling me names doesn't advance your position, if you have one.
And you sir seem to have an unhealthy obsession of being anti Serbian.
You never miss an opportunity to have a dig at the Serbian people or criticise them every time you post.
You may well be called Ian but do you have some Croat ethnicity in your family by any chance or are you one of those that has been bombarded by your anti Serbian media over the years that you believe all they tell you fool.
People like you probably never even heard of Serbia until your western propaganda demonised the Serbian people. I don't give a damn what Dacic said, most of us do not want any damn part of your corrupt EU nor any part of you western warmongers.
EU members don't interfere in the territorial integrity of their neighbors. EU members support and encourage european values (equality, rights, suffrage, etc). And certainly the most important note of all, EU members don't sponsor terrorist structures in other countries; it's very Tehran-esque of you Beograd.
Yes, my mother's brother was one of the victims of this pathetic Nazi program during WWII. Now these Germans, pretending they are civilized, are trying to play with moral highness. You can dress up a pig but it's still a pig.
(Daniel, 14 October 2012 17:41)
Now you understand what Albanians, Bosniaks and Croats feel when they think of Serbs.
Yes, my mother's brother was one of the victims of this pathetic Nazi program during WWII. Now these Germans, pretending they are civilized, are trying to play with moral highness. You can dress up a pig but it's still a pig.
(Daniel, 14 October 2012 17:41)
Ironic we hear that expression about modern day Serbia more often than than the descendants of WW1 and 2 criminals.
Thats the ironic thing Serbia talks of those who wronged them that are long dead but yet the Serbs who have wronged millions are alive and even running the govt.
Serbia deserves to be as large as China and India combined. Why not?
If a Serb politician says so then it must be so.
As for claims that Serbia deserves to be in the EU bc of WWII did it ever occur to you that you, MR. Dacic played a hand in the mass killings of the 90s? You also banned the Pride parade a week ago!
I'm getting closer and closer to believing that Serbia deserves the leadership it has. And, how can a country move forward when it has leaders like Dacic and Nikolic?
-Serbs fought off the Germans in both world wars and now this government still wants to join a union largely controlled by the Germans.
SCP UK
You're right! If we should look at who sided with who during WW2 we wouldn't have a European Union. The purpuse with a union is to unite instead of fighting. I don't think Serbia is ready to join the EU, nor should it join. The idea is good but the EU is a failing project. Even though most european countries have joined there are tensions with minorities (Belgium, Slovakia, Hungary, Spain, Bulgaria etc.) The sooner Serbia forgets about joining the EU the sooner serbs can start taking som matters in to their own hands.
"Serbian Prime Minister Ivica Dačić has stated that Serbia deserves to be a part of the EU thanks to its anti-fascism fight."
Maybe Dacic should be more concerned about the fight against nationalism, extremism, fascism and intolerance which is present in Serbia nowadays than to dig deep in the history and come up with things from 70 years ago.
The wars on the Territories of the former Yugoslavia are a German and American Conspiracy, with Germany is the only instigator, with America as a reluctant helper.
Serbia and America have always been Allies until a few decades ago, but Serbia and Germany have Never been Allies, and have Always been Enemies, and so I totally blame Germany.
We know of the Enmity of Germany and Austria against the Serbian People, because the Serbs have upset and delayed and prevented Germany winning WW 1 and WW2 to Dictate and Control to Europe.
Germany inspired and planned wars in the former Yugoslavia against the Innocent Serbian People, but Germany could not have done it if there were no significant objections from America or from President Clinton.
Germany convinced America or more correctly, convinced President Clinton to have no Objections for the German War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity, and the Physical, Cultural, and Economic Genocide of the Innocent Serbian People.
I mentioned Filing a Genocide Case against Germany, and the International Court of Justice will be able to discover the reasons, and 65 Billion Euros Compensation will be paid to Serbia by Germany.
Germany will pay 2 Trillion Euros to repair the Eurozone Economy; otherwise the Overwhelming Majority of Europeans and others will boycott all German Goods and Services, and Economic Genocide and its Consequences will be Germany’s fate, until Germany is given to Neighbouring Countries.
Why not argue that Serbia should be in the EU because Serbs were using forks in the courts of Czar Dusan?
(Danilo, 14 October 2012 15:30)
Another inappropriate and retarded statement from our resident dipstick, Danilo.
This was actually a good speech by Dacic, He pointed out the hypocrisy of the German run EU, who allows members such as Croatia in despite the fact that they hold Nazi concerts in Zagreb, and celebrate a genocidal act as a national holiday. I guess these two old friends share the same 'EU Values'. God help Serbia stay out of this immoral undemocratic union.
Cheers!!
Yes, my mother's brother was one of the victims of this pathetic Nazi program during WWII. Now these Germans, pretending they are civilized, are trying to play with moral highness. You can dress up a pig but it's still a pig.
Yugoslavia lost a horrendous number of citizens in World War II, true, but how many of them were due to a multiple-sided civil war going on at the time? And it might be better for Serbia not to bring up the matter of World War I at all.
What comes next in Serbia? The EU-plans have nothing to do with WWII. If you see the extreme rightwing politics in Hungary as EU-member, where is here a contex with EU and WWII? Serbia is today a country were the victims of WWII are forgotten. You can find only streets namend after kings and "heroic serbs from the past". It a shame for Serbia, how the country is knowing nothing more about his real history. And this is one of the demands from Germany/Austria: to write this history new and to fullfil the demnads of the "Volksdeutschen" regarding their property. More and more monuments you can see in Northern Serbia remembering these "victims". And you will see that the same will happen with the Albanians as allies of Germany/Italy. Shame on Serbian low respect for the Serbian vitims. Here Slovenia is going another way with a EURO-special coin for a Partisan hero. Never possible more today in Serbia.
New argument from bankrupt Serbian govt:
Serbia deserve EU entry because of 1389 sacrifice for Europe against Turk?
Or, maybe EU answer:
No EU entry because of 1389 failure?
Amazing, this guy is unbelievable. It is sad anybody had to die WWII and should not be forgotten, however what is more relevant is the fact that only recently Serbs killed tens of thousands of people they shared same country until the killing started.
(Tony_UK, 14 October 2012 15:10)
It was a civil war, Tony, and it was a territory grabbing war. The bloodshed stirred by nationalism was done by all sides. But as much as i hate being dismissive towards atrocities done in those wars, i don't think they are relevant to what he's trying to say here. He's pointing out the irony.
What special about Serbia joining the EU. Reminds me seeing some people shouting at the policemen for stolping them for drink driving and their "argument" was their were stopped bacause they were black......
Dacic makes me laugh one minute, he is praising joining the EU, the next he is condemning the EU for making recognition of Kosovo a potential condition.
In this speech he manages to seek EU status at the same time as suggesting that countries that were not on the allies side during WW2 do not deserve EU membership! So both Germany and Italy (one of Serbia's largest trading partners) should not be in the EU, not to mention other countries that were on the Axis side.
Dacic opens his mouth, but no matter how closely you look, you cant see which side he is talking out of. Alongside that the stench when he speaks is unmistakable (sniff sniff) 'whats that I smell?' Yep, its bull$hit...
Amazing, this guy is unbelievable. It is sad anybody had to die WWII and should not be forgotten, however what is more relevant is the fact that only recently Serbs killed tens of thousands of people they shared same country until the killing started.
Killers during second WW, have escapologist, paid compensation and today are leading countries in the democratic World, a World Serbia aspire to join.
But attacking in this manner countries one day you call "important partner",...and badly try to join their club, is counterproductive to say the list.
Hold on a second, so the Serbs fought off the Germans in both world wars and now this government still wants to join a union largely controlled by the Germans, can someone explain this ludacy? Especially as its becoming more clear that Serbia will have to recognise Kosovo to join.
I feel sad for innocent Serb civilians who were killed by the Nazi, and fighting the Nazis back is actually not just a right but duty. But the retaliation was no just against soldiers. Instead of returning back to the Forties of 20th century, we can only go one and two decades back to see Serbs mass execute civilians, women, elderly, and even younger than the 3-year-old mentioned in this article ...
" With all the respect for the sacrificies during the WW2, this is not a good reason to join EU in my opinion.
(tiranaboy, 14 October 2012 14:37)"
well, maybe he really didn't want Serbia to join the EU -- did this ever occur to you? Just because I feel that I am entitled to be in an organization doesn't necessarily mean that I actually want to be in. Seems to me the thinking of the present Serbian government and the previous one are streets apart on the issue of the EU's worth.
Serbia deserves a new government and a president !
SuperBlabla Nikolic is still blocked in Slobodans Times and now we have Robin ( Dacic ) blocked in Wolrd war II ! When will Serbia look at the present and start build a future for its children ?
I do believe that Serbia deserve the EU, but bcs of 70 years earlier? It seems to me that Dacic has nothing to say about the current achievement and brings the glorious in his speechs. With all the respect for the sacrificies during the WW2, this is not a good reason to join EU in my opinion.
Serbia deserves a new government and a president !
SuperBlabla Nikolic is still blocked in Slobodans Times and now we have Robin ( Dacic ) blocked in Wolrd war II ! When will Serbia look at the present and start build a future for its children ?
Amazing, this guy is unbelievable. It is sad anybody had to die WWII and should not be forgotten, however what is more relevant is the fact that only recently Serbs killed tens of thousands of people they shared same country until the killing started.
Killers during second WW, have escapologist, paid compensation and today are leading countries in the democratic World, a World Serbia aspire to join.
But attacking in this manner countries one day you call "important partner",...and badly try to join their club, is counterproductive to say the list.
I do believe that Serbia deserve the EU, but bcs of 70 years earlier? It seems to me that Dacic has nothing to say about the current achievement and brings the glorious in his speechs. With all the respect for the sacrificies during the WW2, this is not a good reason to join EU in my opinion.
I feel sad for innocent Serb civilians who were killed by the Nazi, and fighting the Nazis back is actually not just a right but duty. But the retaliation was no just against soldiers. Instead of returning back to the Forties of 20th century, we can only go one and two decades back to see Serbs mass execute civilians, women, elderly, and even younger than the 3-year-old mentioned in this article ...
Dacic makes me laugh one minute, he is praising joining the EU, the next he is condemning the EU for making recognition of Kosovo a potential condition.
In this speech he manages to seek EU status at the same time as suggesting that countries that were not on the allies side during WW2 do not deserve EU membership! So both Germany and Italy (one of Serbia's largest trading partners) should not be in the EU, not to mention other countries that were on the Axis side.
Dacic opens his mouth, but no matter how closely you look, you cant see which side he is talking out of. Alongside that the stench when he speaks is unmistakable (sniff sniff) 'whats that I smell?' Yep, its bull$hit...
Why not argue that Serbia should be in the EU because Serbs were using forks in the courts of Czar Dusan?
(Danilo, 14 October 2012 15:30)
Another inappropriate and retarded statement from our resident dipstick, Danilo.
This was actually a good speech by Dacic, He pointed out the hypocrisy of the German run EU, who allows members such as Croatia in despite the fact that they hold Nazi concerts in Zagreb, and celebrate a genocidal act as a national holiday. I guess these two old friends share the same 'EU Values'. God help Serbia stay out of this immoral undemocratic union.
Cheers!!
Hold on a second, so the Serbs fought off the Germans in both world wars and now this government still wants to join a union largely controlled by the Germans, can someone explain this ludacy? Especially as its becoming more clear that Serbia will have to recognise Kosovo to join.
"Serbian Prime Minister Ivica Dačić has stated that Serbia deserves to be a part of the EU thanks to its anti-fascism fight."
Maybe Dacic should be more concerned about the fight against nationalism, extremism, fascism and intolerance which is present in Serbia nowadays than to dig deep in the history and come up with things from 70 years ago.
New argument from bankrupt Serbian govt:
Serbia deserve EU entry because of 1389 sacrifice for Europe against Turk?
Or, maybe EU answer:
No EU entry because of 1389 failure?
Yugoslavia lost a horrendous number of citizens in World War II, true, but how many of them were due to a multiple-sided civil war going on at the time? And it might be better for Serbia not to bring up the matter of World War I at all.
The wars on the Territories of the former Yugoslavia are a German and American Conspiracy, with Germany is the only instigator, with America as a reluctant helper.
Serbia and America have always been Allies until a few decades ago, but Serbia and Germany have Never been Allies, and have Always been Enemies, and so I totally blame Germany.
We know of the Enmity of Germany and Austria against the Serbian People, because the Serbs have upset and delayed and prevented Germany winning WW 1 and WW2 to Dictate and Control to Europe.
Germany inspired and planned wars in the former Yugoslavia against the Innocent Serbian People, but Germany could not have done it if there were no significant objections from America or from President Clinton.
Germany convinced America or more correctly, convinced President Clinton to have no Objections for the German War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity, and the Physical, Cultural, and Economic Genocide of the Innocent Serbian People.
I mentioned Filing a Genocide Case against Germany, and the International Court of Justice will be able to discover the reasons, and 65 Billion Euros Compensation will be paid to Serbia by Germany.
Germany will pay 2 Trillion Euros to repair the Eurozone Economy; otherwise the Overwhelming Majority of Europeans and others will boycott all German Goods and Services, and Economic Genocide and its Consequences will be Germany’s fate, until Germany is given to Neighbouring Countries.
Yes, my mother's brother was one of the victims of this pathetic Nazi program during WWII. Now these Germans, pretending they are civilized, are trying to play with moral highness. You can dress up a pig but it's still a pig.
Yes, my mother's brother was one of the victims of this pathetic Nazi program during WWII. Now these Germans, pretending they are civilized, are trying to play with moral highness. You can dress up a pig but it's still a pig.
(Daniel, 14 October 2012 17:41)
Now you understand what Albanians, Bosniaks and Croats feel when they think of Serbs.
" With all the respect for the sacrificies during the WW2, this is not a good reason to join EU in my opinion.
(tiranaboy, 14 October 2012 14:37)"
well, maybe he really didn't want Serbia to join the EU -- did this ever occur to you? Just because I feel that I am entitled to be in an organization doesn't necessarily mean that I actually want to be in. Seems to me the thinking of the present Serbian government and the previous one are streets apart on the issue of the EU's worth.
And you sir seem to have an unhealthy obsession of being anti Serbian.
You never miss an opportunity to have a dig at the Serbian people or criticise them every time you post.
You may well be called Ian but do you have some Croat ethnicity in your family by any chance or are you one of those that has been bombarded by your anti Serbian media over the years that you believe all they tell you fool.
People like you probably never even heard of Serbia until your western propaganda demonised the Serbian people. I don't give a damn what Dacic said, most of us do not want any damn part of your corrupt EU nor any part of you western warmongers.
-Serbs fought off the Germans in both world wars and now this government still wants to join a union largely controlled by the Germans.
SCP UK
You're right! If we should look at who sided with who during WW2 we wouldn't have a European Union. The purpuse with a union is to unite instead of fighting. I don't think Serbia is ready to join the EU, nor should it join. The idea is good but the EU is a failing project. Even though most european countries have joined there are tensions with minorities (Belgium, Slovakia, Hungary, Spain, Bulgaria etc.) The sooner Serbia forgets about joining the EU the sooner serbs can start taking som matters in to their own hands.
Yes, my mother's brother was one of the victims of this pathetic Nazi program during WWII. Now these Germans, pretending they are civilized, are trying to play with moral highness. You can dress up a pig but it's still a pig.
(Daniel, 14 October 2012 17:41)
Ironic we hear that expression about modern day Serbia more often than than the descendants of WW1 and 2 criminals.
Thats the ironic thing Serbia talks of those who wronged them that are long dead but yet the Serbs who have wronged millions are alive and even running the govt.
Serbia deserves to be as large as China and India combined. Why not?
If a Serb politician says so then it must be so.
As for claims that Serbia deserves to be in the EU bc of WWII did it ever occur to you that you, MR. Dacic played a hand in the mass killings of the 90s? You also banned the Pride parade a week ago!
I'm getting closer and closer to believing that Serbia deserves the leadership it has. And, how can a country move forward when it has leaders like Dacic and Nikolic?
EU members don't interfere in the territorial integrity of their neighbors. EU members support and encourage european values (equality, rights, suffrage, etc). And certainly the most important note of all, EU members don't sponsor terrorist structures in other countries; it's very Tehran-esque of you Beograd.
What special about Serbia joining the EU. Reminds me seeing some people shouting at the policemen for stolping them for drink driving and their "argument" was their were stopped bacause they were black......
What's "inappropriate" or "negative" about my comment?
"we should be in the EU because Nazis" and "we should be in the EU because fork" is the same child's argument. If it disturbs you having this pointed out, then good, you should be disturbed.
calling me names doesn't advance your position, if you have one.
Serbia deserves to be in the EU if and when Serbia starts to be an equal among other European members. Serbia has a terrible human rights record (treatment of Roma and Gays), its judiciary system is politically charged, the NBS is now in direct supervision of government and then of course lets not forget corruption.
With talk like his The EU doesn't want and doesn't need Serbia.
With this bunch of politicians that Serbia has now, for Albanians is not necessary the diplomacy. Their Serbs counterpart is working very hard that all objectives of Albanian nation be accomplished. Thank you from the bottom of my heart Mr. Dacic, Mr. Nicolic and Mr. Jeremic. I sincerely consider you great friends of Albanians.
@ Deliverence Please name once when I've had a 'dig' at the Serbian people. It is silly the amount if comments on so many different articles here on B92 which refer to WW2, even though the vast majority of articles have nothing to do with WW2.And no I am not Croatian. I was just making a valid point, what does WW2 have to do with Serbia's proposed EU membership? Nothing.Your leaders are talking BS as a distraction and to avoid issues.
Amazing, this guy is unbelievable. It is sad anybody had to die WWII and should not be forgotten, however what is more relevant is the fact that only recently Serbs killed tens of thousands of people they shared same country until the killing started.
(Tony_UK, 14 October 2012 15:10)
It was a civil war, Tony, and it was a territory grabbing war. The bloodshed stirred by nationalism was done by all sides. But as much as i hate being dismissive towards atrocities done in those wars, i don't think they are relevant to what he's trying to say here. He's pointing out the irony.
What comes next in Serbia? The EU-plans have nothing to do with WWII. If you see the extreme rightwing politics in Hungary as EU-member, where is here a contex with EU and WWII? Serbia is today a country were the victims of WWII are forgotten. You can find only streets namend after kings and "heroic serbs from the past". It a shame for Serbia, how the country is knowing nothing more about his real history. And this is one of the demands from Germany/Austria: to write this history new and to fullfil the demnads of the "Volksdeutschen" regarding their property. More and more monuments you can see in Northern Serbia remembering these "victims". And you will see that the same will happen with the Albanians as allies of Germany/Italy. Shame on Serbian low respect for the Serbian vitims. Here Slovenia is going another way with a EURO-special coin for a Partisan hero. Never possible more today in Serbia.
We need to focus on the present and the future!
You cannot return to the past.
What Serbia needs is prosperity, with or without the E.U.
So to start with, why do many people like to live in Germany for example?
why do we not create a similar living standard in Serbia and other Balkan countries and southern European countries, that would be better.
We could have been a better and stronger country, but some nationalists: Croats/Albanians/Slovens, wanted to be independent in order to be dependant of Brussels :) And Slovenia actually dumped the rest of YU if it was not for the Serbs Slovenia would have been Austrian and probably most of the people would speak German by now..
Greece EU member since 1981, Italy member since 1956, Spain member since 1986, Are these countries as good as northern EU countries?
And to mention: each EU country has big external debts, how will each country repay that debt?
So why is it great to live in the EU? In Sweden/Germany/Netherlands/Belgium/Denmark life becomes more expensive and people need to work perhaps until 70 years before going to retirement, and in countries like Greece and Spain people retire in their 50s.. How will the future look like for the Balkan countries will they become like the southern EU countries or like Germany?
Well whatever Serbia does they need to do it in the interest of it's people and not the demands of some EU member states.
P.S.
Kosovo will either way be part of Serbia in the EU or outside the EU ;)
"The sooner Serbia forgets about joining the EU the sooner serbs can start taking som matters in to their own hands.
(Tom Tom, 14 October 2012 18:01) "
I heartily agree. As long as Serbs view necessary reforms as being blackmail by some outside force they will resent both the reforms and the outside force. If Serbs want clean and efficient government, an honest judiciary, and so on, they can probably figure out some way to get them other than by checking off items on an EU to-do list. Let the EU restrict its efforts at improvement (and funds, of course) to the countries that see some value in joining it. According to some survey done years ago, people are happiest in small countries (for local control) that belong to some larger union (for mutual protection), but if Serbia sees itself as large enough and powerful enough to go it alone, it might be better for all concerned it it did so. Mr. Fuele will find plenty to do, even without Serbia.
Now you understand what Albanians, Bosniaks and Croats feel when they think of Serbs.
(Avni, 14 October 2012 21:46)
What? I think WWII came before the recent Balkan wars. So, I should say something like "now you understand what Serbs feel like". At any rate, no people should suffer for a leader's greed.
Why not argue that Serbia should be in the EU because Serbs were using forks in the courts of Czar Dusan?
(Danilo, 14 October 2012 15:30)
Another inappropriate and retarded statement from our resident dipstick, Danilo.
This was actually a good speech by Dacic, He pointed out the hypocrisy of the German run EU, who allows members such as Croatia in despite the fact that they hold Nazi concerts in Zagreb, and celebrate a genocidal act as a national holiday. I guess these two old friends share the same 'EU Values'. God help Serbia stay out of this immoral undemocratic union.
Cheers!!
Amazing, this guy is unbelievable. It is sad anybody had to die WWII and should not be forgotten, however what is more relevant is the fact that only recently Serbs killed tens of thousands of people they shared same country until the killing started.
Killers during second WW, have escapologist, paid compensation and today are leading countries in the democratic World, a World Serbia aspire to join.
But attacking in this manner countries one day you call "important partner",...and badly try to join their club, is counterproductive to say the list.
The wars on the Territories of the former Yugoslavia are a German and American Conspiracy, with Germany is the only instigator, with America as a reluctant helper.
Serbia and America have always been Allies until a few decades ago, but Serbia and Germany have Never been Allies, and have Always been Enemies, and so I totally blame Germany.
We know of the Enmity of Germany and Austria against the Serbian People, because the Serbs have upset and delayed and prevented Germany winning WW 1 and WW2 to Dictate and Control to Europe.
Germany inspired and planned wars in the former Yugoslavia against the Innocent Serbian People, but Germany could not have done it if there were no significant objections from America or from President Clinton.
Germany convinced America or more correctly, convinced President Clinton to have no Objections for the German War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity, and the Physical, Cultural, and Economic Genocide of the Innocent Serbian People.
I mentioned Filing a Genocide Case against Germany, and the International Court of Justice will be able to discover the reasons, and 65 Billion Euros Compensation will be paid to Serbia by Germany.
Germany will pay 2 Trillion Euros to repair the Eurozone Economy; otherwise the Overwhelming Majority of Europeans and others will boycott all German Goods and Services, and Economic Genocide and its Consequences will be Germany’s fate, until Germany is given to Neighbouring Countries.
Yes, my mother's brother was one of the victims of this pathetic Nazi program during WWII. Now these Germans, pretending they are civilized, are trying to play with moral highness. You can dress up a pig but it's still a pig.
I feel sad for innocent Serb civilians who were killed by the Nazi, and fighting the Nazis back is actually not just a right but duty. But the retaliation was no just against soldiers. Instead of returning back to the Forties of 20th century, we can only go one and two decades back to see Serbs mass execute civilians, women, elderly, and even younger than the 3-year-old mentioned in this article ...
Yugoslavia lost a horrendous number of citizens in World War II, true, but how many of them were due to a multiple-sided civil war going on at the time? And it might be better for Serbia not to bring up the matter of World War I at all.
Yes, my mother's brother was one of the victims of this pathetic Nazi program during WWII. Now these Germans, pretending they are civilized, are trying to play with moral highness. You can dress up a pig but it's still a pig.
(Daniel, 14 October 2012 17:41)
Now you understand what Albanians, Bosniaks and Croats feel when they think of Serbs.
I do believe that Serbia deserve the EU, but bcs of 70 years earlier? It seems to me that Dacic has nothing to say about the current achievement and brings the glorious in his speechs. With all the respect for the sacrificies during the WW2, this is not a good reason to join EU in my opinion.
Serbia deserves a new government and a president !
SuperBlabla Nikolic is still blocked in Slobodans Times and now we have Robin ( Dacic ) blocked in Wolrd war II ! When will Serbia look at the present and start build a future for its children ?
New argument from bankrupt Serbian govt:
Serbia deserve EU entry because of 1389 sacrifice for Europe against Turk?
Or, maybe EU answer:
No EU entry because of 1389 failure?
Amazing, this guy is unbelievable. It is sad anybody had to die WWII and should not be forgotten, however what is more relevant is the fact that only recently Serbs killed tens of thousands of people they shared same country until the killing started.
(Tony_UK, 14 October 2012 15:10)
It was a civil war, Tony, and it was a territory grabbing war. The bloodshed stirred by nationalism was done by all sides. But as much as i hate being dismissive towards atrocities done in those wars, i don't think they are relevant to what he's trying to say here. He's pointing out the irony.
And you sir seem to have an unhealthy obsession of being anti Serbian.
You never miss an opportunity to have a dig at the Serbian people or criticise them every time you post.
You may well be called Ian but do you have some Croat ethnicity in your family by any chance or are you one of those that has been bombarded by your anti Serbian media over the years that you believe all they tell you fool.
People like you probably never even heard of Serbia until your western propaganda demonised the Serbian people. I don't give a damn what Dacic said, most of us do not want any damn part of your corrupt EU nor any part of you western warmongers.
EU members don't interfere in the territorial integrity of their neighbors. EU members support and encourage european values (equality, rights, suffrage, etc). And certainly the most important note of all, EU members don't sponsor terrorist structures in other countries; it's very Tehran-esque of you Beograd.
Hold on a second, so the Serbs fought off the Germans in both world wars and now this government still wants to join a union largely controlled by the Germans, can someone explain this ludacy? Especially as its becoming more clear that Serbia will have to recognise Kosovo to join.
" With all the respect for the sacrificies during the WW2, this is not a good reason to join EU in my opinion.
(tiranaboy, 14 October 2012 14:37)"
well, maybe he really didn't want Serbia to join the EU -- did this ever occur to you? Just because I feel that I am entitled to be in an organization doesn't necessarily mean that I actually want to be in. Seems to me the thinking of the present Serbian government and the previous one are streets apart on the issue of the EU's worth.
What special about Serbia joining the EU. Reminds me seeing some people shouting at the policemen for stolping them for drink driving and their "argument" was their were stopped bacause they were black......
"Serbian Prime Minister Ivica Dačić has stated that Serbia deserves to be a part of the EU thanks to its anti-fascism fight."
Maybe Dacic should be more concerned about the fight against nationalism, extremism, fascism and intolerance which is present in Serbia nowadays than to dig deep in the history and come up with things from 70 years ago.
What comes next in Serbia? The EU-plans have nothing to do with WWII. If you see the extreme rightwing politics in Hungary as EU-member, where is here a contex with EU and WWII? Serbia is today a country were the victims of WWII are forgotten. You can find only streets namend after kings and "heroic serbs from the past". It a shame for Serbia, how the country is knowing nothing more about his real history. And this is one of the demands from Germany/Austria: to write this history new and to fullfil the demnads of the "Volksdeutschen" regarding their property. More and more monuments you can see in Northern Serbia remembering these "victims". And you will see that the same will happen with the Albanians as allies of Germany/Italy. Shame on Serbian low respect for the Serbian vitims. Here Slovenia is going another way with a EURO-special coin for a Partisan hero. Never possible more today in Serbia.
Serbia deserves to be as large as China and India combined. Why not?
If a Serb politician says so then it must be so.
As for claims that Serbia deserves to be in the EU bc of WWII did it ever occur to you that you, MR. Dacic played a hand in the mass killings of the 90s? You also banned the Pride parade a week ago!
I'm getting closer and closer to believing that Serbia deserves the leadership it has. And, how can a country move forward when it has leaders like Dacic and Nikolic?
Yes, my mother's brother was one of the victims of this pathetic Nazi program during WWII. Now these Germans, pretending they are civilized, are trying to play with moral highness. You can dress up a pig but it's still a pig.
(Daniel, 14 October 2012 17:41)
Ironic we hear that expression about modern day Serbia more often than than the descendants of WW1 and 2 criminals.
Thats the ironic thing Serbia talks of those who wronged them that are long dead but yet the Serbs who have wronged millions are alive and even running the govt.
Dacic makes me laugh one minute, he is praising joining the EU, the next he is condemning the EU for making recognition of Kosovo a potential condition.
In this speech he manages to seek EU status at the same time as suggesting that countries that were not on the allies side during WW2 do not deserve EU membership! So both Germany and Italy (one of Serbia's largest trading partners) should not be in the EU, not to mention other countries that were on the Axis side.
Dacic opens his mouth, but no matter how closely you look, you cant see which side he is talking out of. Alongside that the stench when he speaks is unmistakable (sniff sniff) 'whats that I smell?' Yep, its bull$hit...
-Serbs fought off the Germans in both world wars and now this government still wants to join a union largely controlled by the Germans.
SCP UK
You're right! If we should look at who sided with who during WW2 we wouldn't have a European Union. The purpuse with a union is to unite instead of fighting. I don't think Serbia is ready to join the EU, nor should it join. The idea is good but the EU is a failing project. Even though most european countries have joined there are tensions with minorities (Belgium, Slovakia, Hungary, Spain, Bulgaria etc.) The sooner Serbia forgets about joining the EU the sooner serbs can start taking som matters in to their own hands.
What's "inappropriate" or "negative" about my comment?
"we should be in the EU because Nazis" and "we should be in the EU because fork" is the same child's argument. If it disturbs you having this pointed out, then good, you should be disturbed.
calling me names doesn't advance your position, if you have one.
@ Deliverence Please name once when I've had a 'dig' at the Serbian people. It is silly the amount if comments on so many different articles here on B92 which refer to WW2, even though the vast majority of articles have nothing to do with WW2.And no I am not Croatian. I was just making a valid point, what does WW2 have to do with Serbia's proposed EU membership? Nothing.Your leaders are talking BS as a distraction and to avoid issues.
Now you understand what Albanians, Bosniaks and Croats feel when they think of Serbs.
(Avni, 14 October 2012 21:46)
What? I think WWII came before the recent Balkan wars. So, I should say something like "now you understand what Serbs feel like". At any rate, no people should suffer for a leader's greed.
We need to focus on the present and the future!
You cannot return to the past.
What Serbia needs is prosperity, with or without the E.U.
So to start with, why do many people like to live in Germany for example?
why do we not create a similar living standard in Serbia and other Balkan countries and southern European countries, that would be better.
We could have been a better and stronger country, but some nationalists: Croats/Albanians/Slovens, wanted to be independent in order to be dependant of Brussels :) And Slovenia actually dumped the rest of YU if it was not for the Serbs Slovenia would have been Austrian and probably most of the people would speak German by now..
Greece EU member since 1981, Italy member since 1956, Spain member since 1986, Are these countries as good as northern EU countries?
And to mention: each EU country has big external debts, how will each country repay that debt?
So why is it great to live in the EU? In Sweden/Germany/Netherlands/Belgium/Denmark life becomes more expensive and people need to work perhaps until 70 years before going to retirement, and in countries like Greece and Spain people retire in their 50s.. How will the future look like for the Balkan countries will they become like the southern EU countries or like Germany?
Well whatever Serbia does they need to do it in the interest of it's people and not the demands of some EU member states.
P.S.
Kosovo will either way be part of Serbia in the EU or outside the EU ;)
Serbia deserves to be in the EU if and when Serbia starts to be an equal among other European members. Serbia has a terrible human rights record (treatment of Roma and Gays), its judiciary system is politically charged, the NBS is now in direct supervision of government and then of course lets not forget corruption.
With talk like his The EU doesn't want and doesn't need Serbia.
"The sooner Serbia forgets about joining the EU the sooner serbs can start taking som matters in to their own hands.
(Tom Tom, 14 October 2012 18:01) "
I heartily agree. As long as Serbs view necessary reforms as being blackmail by some outside force they will resent both the reforms and the outside force. If Serbs want clean and efficient government, an honest judiciary, and so on, they can probably figure out some way to get them other than by checking off items on an EU to-do list. Let the EU restrict its efforts at improvement (and funds, of course) to the countries that see some value in joining it. According to some survey done years ago, people are happiest in small countries (for local control) that belong to some larger union (for mutual protection), but if Serbia sees itself as large enough and powerful enough to go it alone, it might be better for all concerned it it did so. Mr. Fuele will find plenty to do, even without Serbia.
With this bunch of politicians that Serbia has now, for Albanians is not necessary the diplomacy. Their Serbs counterpart is working very hard that all objectives of Albanian nation be accomplished. Thank you from the bottom of my heart Mr. Dacic, Mr. Nicolic and Mr. Jeremic. I sincerely consider you great friends of Albanians.
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