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Saturday, 13.10.2012.

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"Kosovo's integrity" unacceptable for Serbia

Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić told daily Večernje novosti that the EU had no alternative for Serbia.

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sj

pre 11 godina

(icj1, 14 October 2012 19:40)

Wait be patient and see what happens after the next Presidential elections – they have to start massive budget reductions followed by tax increases (something every US economists fears because any tax increases will cause the US economy to take an even worse downturn) and the first cuts have to come from defence with further massive reductions in following years and closure of bases all around the world – a contraction we have not seen before in history.

However, for our Albanian friends let me say that all is well as the US can borrow without limit as it will be protected with pixy dust and the cloak of freedom and democracy.

sj

pre 11 godina

(Tony_UK, 14 October 2012 15:29)
Read it and weep boys. If you think that will not happen and the Russians will not control Europe, then why did the US go into Iraq? Free the people or the oppressed oil reserves?
Old proverb – he who controls the energy controls all.

icj1

pre 11 godina

The EU and Us have not disappeared
(sj, 14 October 2012 14:06)

Oh mate, I was about the throw a party to celebrate the EU and USA's collapse, now you're saying I have to wait still after year and years in waiting... Do you have a date when we can finally rejoice and enjoy a world under the rule of Serbia and its powerful allies ?

pss

pre 11 godina

I hope your relative in Kosovo have their passport ready becasue once the Serb administration takes over life is going to be, let’s say not that comfortable – enjoy.
(sj, 14 October 2012 14:22)
Only one appropriate response possible. "You funny"

Tony_UK

pre 11 godina

sj,

No need to tell me, tell your own leaders that EU is bankrupt and breaking up. As your efforts to integrate are immense, no matter how much you are being told "you are not wanted".
If the situation with EU is as you say, why the unnecessary and painful humiliation of continue knocking on a shut door?

As for your threats (your comment last para.), I could be wrong but, another war in the Balkans would probably suit anybody else more than Serbia, so you are welcome to that...

sj

pre 11 godina

(icj1, 14 October 2012 02:09)

The EU and Us have not disappeared, but their power and authority is diminishing – that’s the message. Why even US media are now stating that after the November Presidential elections the pain will start and taxes increase and expenditure decease starting with defense spending. They have lost most of ground gained after the fall of the Berlin wall starting with the Ukraine and Georgia. The US has lost the most lucrative prize – Caspian Sea oil and gas and now it’s been kicked out of Iraq with their PM in Moscow putting in an order for billion in weapons with many more to come. It cannot be a collapse because it would affect everyone, but it must be an orderly handing over of the baton.
The Us will be still with us and it will be a large economy but the corporations have squeezed all they can and will leave the aver Joe the bill to pay.
The EU has surrendered its ambitions to enlarge going as far as the Chinese border. Hey what can I say more? Its called capitulation.

sj

pre 11 godina

(Tony_UK, 14 October 2012 12:26)
You people just don’t get it. The EU has has been saying until very recently that EU expansion is proceeding according to schedule, then all of a sudden silence. The money has run out – NO MORE CASH. It has now been reported in a Vienna newspaper that the EU has given up its only weapon against Russia.
Diplomat and government keep on repeating the same old phrases until policy changes – the last US Ambassador to South Vietnam said a couple of months before leaving that they would never desert their friends until policy changed.
You can Special Rapporteur for the Western Balkans all you like but policy will change. Večernje novosti have been printing this same stuff for the last 8 years and nothing has changed for Kosovo and nothing will considering the Russians are taking over from the US. I hope your relative in Kosovo have their passport ready becasue once the Serb administration takes over life is going to be, let’s say not that comfortable – enjoy.

Tony_UK

pre 11 godina

Suzana, give your president a call and let him know that: It is not possible to change the formulation “Kosovo’s territorial integrity” in the Enlargement Strategy and Main Challenges 2012-2013, while European Parliament (EP) Special Rapporteur for the Western Balkans Hannes Swoboda who said that Serbia will have to recognize Kosovo before joining the EU, let Serbs know they dont have to do it tomorrow, but the sooner the better.
And today (14/10/2012) we read: Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić told daily Večernje novosti that the EU had no alternative for Serbia.

Do I or other commentators here need to add anything?....

Bridge

pre 11 godina

Once upon a time Tomislav Nikolic said " The KLA will not be crushed until i can drink a coffe on top of Berisha mountains "
Wich he failed.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Now let us see the strong countries surrounding Serbia: Kosova,Croatia, Hungary,Bulgaria and Macedonia since NATO is also the boss there. "
(Ardi Asllani, 13 October 2012 16:31)

Strong countries? And even 'Kosova' included? I think you should be awarded with the 'most absurd joke of the week' medal! Congratulations in advance!

icj1

pre 11 godina

Let’s look at how events have evolved recently.
Ukraine and Georgia gone, but more recently and probably the most devastating is Brussels’ capitulation on EU expansionism. Is there any wonder why this has occurred? No it called no more cash – the good times are over and now it’s time to pay for all those happy days of living off fantasy.
The Russians are delighted to hear that EU will expand no more and President Nikolic can now openly say what was under Tadic a dirty little secret i.e. that Serbia will not let Kosovo go. Tadic only played lip service to that because he was a puppet of the west – watch how Boris becomes rich over a short period of time.
Watch as more changes start within the next couple of months. Many have been saying the west is in serious trouble and now we see the crack appearing.
(sj, 13 October 2012 14:00)

Thanks sj for these excellent recap. That's why you are the CE of the B92 forums to bring joy to all of us just at the moment when we thought that nothing was left to collapse after the collapse of the USA and the EU.

Now that the USA and the EU have disappeared from the face of the Earth together with all of their allies the world is a much better place. And I'm sure the upcoming changes that you are announcing will make the world even a better place ruled by Serbia and its powerful allies :).

icj1

pre 11 godina

"He noted that the EU should be committed to the international law and the UN Charter."

That's exactly what Kosovo's Declaration of Independence did and thus the EU is committed to it per Tomislav's request above.

sj

pre 11 godina

Kosova is soon integral part of Albania with West Macedonia.
Integrity of Albanian nation and Albanians people.
(Adem, 13 October 2012 21:37)

When halal pork starts flying Kosovo and western Macedonia will become part of Albania.

sj

pre 11 godina

(Mark, 13 October 2012 20:48)

Now how long have these 22 countries recognized a so called independent Kosovo? And what has changed for these Kosovars?? NOTHING at all.
You might want to read yesterdays article about “The EU has rendered inefficient its only foreign policy weapon - enlargement, much to the joy of Russia, Austrian daily Presse writes on Thursday.” This little man is the price the EU paid to Russia for investing in their Euro bonds to help them survive so far.
Next is South Stream in 2014. With that major pipeline complete and others already existing and being built now Russian gas will supply 65% of EU needs and Serbia will be left to control the entire Balkans. Now would you like enlighten us all here about Presavo Valley (which Albos are now a minority) Sandzak (since the largest part is in Montenegro) and Vojvodina (which is 80% Serb).
You have no idea whats waiting for your Albanians. But enjoy your fantasies.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

i'm so sick of the belgrade regime --- this one, the last one... somehow, they all end up sounding exactly like slobo. when i think of all the time and energy we exerted to bring down that tyrant, just to end up with this dreck... OTPOR! resist...

robert0 frisco
(roberto, 13 October 2012 17:42)
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Not as much as we are sick of you coming on here blasting Serbs at every opportunity and yet B92 keeps posting your crap.

Why do you care who people of Serbia elect? You claim you are not Serbian or Albanian. You have no affiliation with either and yet you are so emotionally invested in the plight of Albanians that you are compelled to come here time after time and spew your opinion all over the place.

Oh please come out of the closet.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Serbia a founding member of the UN, what a joke.

Serbia officially became a member of the UN on November 01, 2000.

And as far as what Serbia thinks about Kosoo's "territorial integrity" has absolutely nothing to do with reality.

Firstly, to date 92 UN members recognize Kosovo's "territorial integrity", furthermore 22 EU countries and soon to be 23 EU countries (when Croatia joins) and the EU as an organization recognizes Kosovo's "territorial integrity" based on the latest October 10/2012 EU report.

Serbia's denial of the facts on the ground and the reality of Kosovo is only going to isolate Serbia which is surrounded by EU states or soon to be EU states.

There will be a further exodus from Serbia, people who will be seeking better living conditions.

The economic situation in Serbia will grow colder and darker with Serbia's present attitude towards reality.

The truth hurts, but the sooner somebody in Serbia informs the Serbs of the truth and reality the better for the Serbs.

If not, things will only get worse, for nobody else but the Serbs themselves.

EA

pre 11 godina

"A change of formulation....." would make Serbia more difficult to talk to....it will raise some hopes in Serbian public that "Kosovo is still Serbia" and "EU has acceped " due to "Serbian resiliace"...)) Does anyone believe that?

albi

pre 11 godina

What is unacceptable is that Serbia pretend to be an enlightened European state, the equal of France, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, etc., while at the same time it wants to subdue 2 million Albanians. Can't have it both ways.

The choice between Kosovo and Europe is not so much a choice that Europeans force on Serbia. It is a choice that Serbia must make: it is the choice between good and evil. The two are not compatible.

I would also say that Europeans cannot become complicit with Serbia in possible future conflicts with Albanians over Kosovo's governance. I think it is self evident that in order to be accepted in the EU, Serbia must cease and desist in Kosovo, as a minimum preliminary requirement.

perun_u

pre 11 godina

Formulation " the integrity of Kosovo" must be ejected or changed.That shouldn't be a problem for the EU, if it wants Serbia as a member of the EU.

Mark

pre 11 godina

“In that case, Serbia could respect the wholeness of its southern province which would mean that it accepts that there is no partition,” Nikolić said.

22 out of 27 EU members do not consider Kosovo as Serbia's southern province. If you accept partition or not that is your business. If you go for partition you will also loose Presevo valley,Vojvodina and Sandzak.

Lol

pre 11 godina

This is a funny one by SuperBLABLA ! Kosovo is lost since 1999 ( just remind him as I thinkmhe is out of reality and tell him as we'll Berlin Wall collapsed as Yugoslavia, and earth is round and that Elvis is not alive ). Another populist speech ! He is not getting clever but makes more and more people laught !

Michael

pre 11 godina

All this is an result of Belgrades failes policy at all over years and years. Serbina media are reporting the opinion of the most unkown German MP but not what today the President of Germanys Parliament (Bundestag) has mentioned: the EU should stop NOW the admission of new members before the debt crisis is not solved. The President of the Bundestag is one of the most influential persons in the German politics. This together with the demands of the conference of Germans ministers for interior affairs to abolish the visa-free travel regime with Serbia and FYROM says all about the statements from Tadic to Dacic and his deputy about the "friendship" between germany and Serbia. Serbia will at the end recognize Kosovo but will not become an EU-member.

roberto

pre 11 godina

i'm so sick of the belgrade regime --- this one, the last one... somehow, they all end up sounding exactly like slobo. when i think of all the time and energy we exerted to bring down that tyrant, just to end up with this dreck... OTPOR! resist...

robert0 frisco

Albanian Farmer

pre 11 godina

Some really wishfull thinkers are praying that EU is about to collapse. And the same people think that they will occupy an Albanian land again. Keep dreaming, while still it's free.

However the Serb elite politicians are reduced to scribble with words in trying to fool the people, in thinking that they are stupid and don't understand what's happening.

Une

pre 11 godina

Teslavio I think it's the other way around. If Serbia does not cease the childish and land grabbing genocidal behavior Croatia, Albania turkey and Bulgaria will put you in train back to the motherland

Adem

pre 11 godina

Serbia is like gatecrasher.
Get entrance to concert, but no pay.
EU membership in exchange for Kosova recognition?
No problem for Serbia - simple solution.
Get EU membership...then renege on recognisation of Kosova.
Serbian policy so easy even for 5 year child to understand.

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

A big problem for the West is that they know they cannot indefinitely guard Kosovo from her rightful owner. Sooner or later they will have to leave. Unfortunately for Albanians they do not border any strong western country to be protected by. They are surrounded by Serbs, Greeks, Montenegrins and Macedonians who all have suffered enough and the things will just happen naturally. I think even Albania will cease to exist, and really they have only themselves to blame.
(Teslavio, 13 October 2012 15:42)

Wrong calculation on your part. Montenegro and Macedonia have recognized Kosova and they don't dare side with Serbia. Not only now, but even during the war when Montenegro was in bed with serbia has never made any attempt to attack Kosova. On the contrary, Montenegro gave refuge to to many Albanians when Serb paramilitaries were expelling them from their homeland. Greece is to far away, and would never ever even think about it.
Now let us see the strong countries surrounding Serbia: Kosova,Croatia, Hungary,Bulgaria and Macedonia since NATO is also the boss there. Montenegro will keep to itself in this matter, but when it becomes NATO member, it has to intervene against Serbia if need arises.
Check mate, Teslavio.

J

pre 11 godina

Serbs you are becoming petty now. When you have a problem with the word integrity you can easily see how messed up in the head you are. All this cacophony for the word integrity. Quit it; now you're behaving like spoiled kids, and this guy is over 60. Some people never grow up. Now go in the corner and cry.

sdan

pre 11 godina

the EU sets the conditions for enlargement and not an poor and undeveloped country like serbia that wants to join the EU so no one will remove it since 90% of eu countrys have recognized kosovo as a state you cannot join EU will having territorial disputes with a neighboring country (Kosovo) go and read first the copenhagen criteria

Teslavio

pre 11 godina

A big problem for the West is that they know they cannot indefinitely guard Kosovo from her rightful owner. Sooner or later they will have to leave. Unfortunately for Albanians they do not border any strong western country to be protected by. They are surrounded by Serbs, Greeks, Montenegrins and Macedonians who all have suffered enough and the things will just happen naturally. I think even Albania will cease to exist, and really they have only themselves to blame.

sj

pre 11 godina

Let’s look at how events have evolved recently.
Ukraine and Georgia gone, but more recently and probably the most devastating is Brussels’ capitulation on EU expansionism. Is there any wonder why this has occurred? No it called no more cash – the good times are over and now it’s time to pay for all those happy days of living off fantasy.
The Russians are delighted to hear that EU will expand no more and President Nikolic can now openly say what was under Tadic a dirty little secret i.e. that Serbia will not let Kosovo go. Tadic only played lip service to that because he was a puppet of the west – watch how Boris becomes rich over a short period of time.
Ahh but time ran out for the west and the Croats like their Albanians brothers have backed the wrong horse and they are starting to squirm as some can see what is going to happen. Kosovo is going nowhere fast except becoming even more miserable than it is already.
Watch as more changes start within the next couple of months. Many have been saying the west is in serious trouble and now we see the crack appearing.

EA

pre 11 godina

sj,

What did you say? Serbia will not let Kosovo go? Kosovo is gone....you jusr need a good wake up, wash up your face with good cold water....

miles

pre 11 godina

At last common sense from the Serbian side-time to turn the spotlight on the EU. Status neutral remember. The German's are going to have to fall in line or reveal how much they care about the position or opinions of those members who do not recognize the illegal declaration of independence, and therefore how much they care about the democratic mechanisms of how the EU works. Is it an EU or just Greater Germany? Let's find out.

Next lets dump this 'good neighborly relations' phrase, that doesn't make any sense either.

And if some Albanians don't want to live in Serbia's southern province, well there is a country next door named...wait for it... Albania, feel free.

OK I'll stop now. Way too excited.

Uli

pre 11 godina

It does not matter what you really think, Mr President. Eu, and majority of serbian populations, including you know very well that Serbia will not be allowed to get into the European union with Kosovo. After all, Kosovo is an Albanian territory and Albania is the only country that should have legal rights to Kosovo and not Serbia.

EA

pre 11 godina

sj,

What did you say? Serbia will not let Kosovo go? Kosovo is gone....you jusr need a good wake up, wash up your face with good cold water....

Uli

pre 11 godina

It does not matter what you really think, Mr President. Eu, and majority of serbian populations, including you know very well that Serbia will not be allowed to get into the European union with Kosovo. After all, Kosovo is an Albanian territory and Albania is the only country that should have legal rights to Kosovo and not Serbia.

Teslavio

pre 11 godina

A big problem for the West is that they know they cannot indefinitely guard Kosovo from her rightful owner. Sooner or later they will have to leave. Unfortunately for Albanians they do not border any strong western country to be protected by. They are surrounded by Serbs, Greeks, Montenegrins and Macedonians who all have suffered enough and the things will just happen naturally. I think even Albania will cease to exist, and really they have only themselves to blame.

J

pre 11 godina

Serbs you are becoming petty now. When you have a problem with the word integrity you can easily see how messed up in the head you are. All this cacophony for the word integrity. Quit it; now you're behaving like spoiled kids, and this guy is over 60. Some people never grow up. Now go in the corner and cry.

sj

pre 11 godina

Let’s look at how events have evolved recently.
Ukraine and Georgia gone, but more recently and probably the most devastating is Brussels’ capitulation on EU expansionism. Is there any wonder why this has occurred? No it called no more cash – the good times are over and now it’s time to pay for all those happy days of living off fantasy.
The Russians are delighted to hear that EU will expand no more and President Nikolic can now openly say what was under Tadic a dirty little secret i.e. that Serbia will not let Kosovo go. Tadic only played lip service to that because he was a puppet of the west – watch how Boris becomes rich over a short period of time.
Ahh but time ran out for the west and the Croats like their Albanians brothers have backed the wrong horse and they are starting to squirm as some can see what is going to happen. Kosovo is going nowhere fast except becoming even more miserable than it is already.
Watch as more changes start within the next couple of months. Many have been saying the west is in serious trouble and now we see the crack appearing.

Une

pre 11 godina

Teslavio I think it's the other way around. If Serbia does not cease the childish and land grabbing genocidal behavior Croatia, Albania turkey and Bulgaria will put you in train back to the motherland

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

A big problem for the West is that they know they cannot indefinitely guard Kosovo from her rightful owner. Sooner or later they will have to leave. Unfortunately for Albanians they do not border any strong western country to be protected by. They are surrounded by Serbs, Greeks, Montenegrins and Macedonians who all have suffered enough and the things will just happen naturally. I think even Albania will cease to exist, and really they have only themselves to blame.
(Teslavio, 13 October 2012 15:42)

Wrong calculation on your part. Montenegro and Macedonia have recognized Kosova and they don't dare side with Serbia. Not only now, but even during the war when Montenegro was in bed with serbia has never made any attempt to attack Kosova. On the contrary, Montenegro gave refuge to to many Albanians when Serb paramilitaries were expelling them from their homeland. Greece is to far away, and would never ever even think about it.
Now let us see the strong countries surrounding Serbia: Kosova,Croatia, Hungary,Bulgaria and Macedonia since NATO is also the boss there. Montenegro will keep to itself in this matter, but when it becomes NATO member, it has to intervene against Serbia if need arises.
Check mate, Teslavio.

miles

pre 11 godina

At last common sense from the Serbian side-time to turn the spotlight on the EU. Status neutral remember. The German's are going to have to fall in line or reveal how much they care about the position or opinions of those members who do not recognize the illegal declaration of independence, and therefore how much they care about the democratic mechanisms of how the EU works. Is it an EU or just Greater Germany? Let's find out.

Next lets dump this 'good neighborly relations' phrase, that doesn't make any sense either.

And if some Albanians don't want to live in Serbia's southern province, well there is a country next door named...wait for it... Albania, feel free.

OK I'll stop now. Way too excited.

roberto

pre 11 godina

i'm so sick of the belgrade regime --- this one, the last one... somehow, they all end up sounding exactly like slobo. when i think of all the time and energy we exerted to bring down that tyrant, just to end up with this dreck... OTPOR! resist...

robert0 frisco

Albanian Farmer

pre 11 godina

Some really wishfull thinkers are praying that EU is about to collapse. And the same people think that they will occupy an Albanian land again. Keep dreaming, while still it's free.

However the Serb elite politicians are reduced to scribble with words in trying to fool the people, in thinking that they are stupid and don't understand what's happening.

Adem

pre 11 godina

Serbia is like gatecrasher.
Get entrance to concert, but no pay.
EU membership in exchange for Kosova recognition?
No problem for Serbia - simple solution.
Get EU membership...then renege on recognisation of Kosova.
Serbian policy so easy even for 5 year child to understand.

sdan

pre 11 godina

the EU sets the conditions for enlargement and not an poor and undeveloped country like serbia that wants to join the EU so no one will remove it since 90% of eu countrys have recognized kosovo as a state you cannot join EU will having territorial disputes with a neighboring country (Kosovo) go and read first the copenhagen criteria

albi

pre 11 godina

What is unacceptable is that Serbia pretend to be an enlightened European state, the equal of France, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, etc., while at the same time it wants to subdue 2 million Albanians. Can't have it both ways.

The choice between Kosovo and Europe is not so much a choice that Europeans force on Serbia. It is a choice that Serbia must make: it is the choice between good and evil. The two are not compatible.

I would also say that Europeans cannot become complicit with Serbia in possible future conflicts with Albanians over Kosovo's governance. I think it is self evident that in order to be accepted in the EU, Serbia must cease and desist in Kosovo, as a minimum preliminary requirement.

Lol

pre 11 godina

This is a funny one by SuperBLABLA ! Kosovo is lost since 1999 ( just remind him as I thinkmhe is out of reality and tell him as we'll Berlin Wall collapsed as Yugoslavia, and earth is round and that Elvis is not alive ). Another populist speech ! He is not getting clever but makes more and more people laught !

Michael

pre 11 godina

All this is an result of Belgrades failes policy at all over years and years. Serbina media are reporting the opinion of the most unkown German MP but not what today the President of Germanys Parliament (Bundestag) has mentioned: the EU should stop NOW the admission of new members before the debt crisis is not solved. The President of the Bundestag is one of the most influential persons in the German politics. This together with the demands of the conference of Germans ministers for interior affairs to abolish the visa-free travel regime with Serbia and FYROM says all about the statements from Tadic to Dacic and his deputy about the "friendship" between germany and Serbia. Serbia will at the end recognize Kosovo but will not become an EU-member.

perun_u

pre 11 godina

Formulation " the integrity of Kosovo" must be ejected or changed.That shouldn't be a problem for the EU, if it wants Serbia as a member of the EU.

Mark

pre 11 godina

“In that case, Serbia could respect the wholeness of its southern province which would mean that it accepts that there is no partition,” Nikolić said.

22 out of 27 EU members do not consider Kosovo as Serbia's southern province. If you accept partition or not that is your business. If you go for partition you will also loose Presevo valley,Vojvodina and Sandzak.

Bridge

pre 11 godina

Once upon a time Tomislav Nikolic said " The KLA will not be crushed until i can drink a coffe on top of Berisha mountains "
Wich he failed.

Tony_UK

pre 11 godina

Suzana, give your president a call and let him know that: It is not possible to change the formulation “Kosovo’s territorial integrity” in the Enlargement Strategy and Main Challenges 2012-2013, while European Parliament (EP) Special Rapporteur for the Western Balkans Hannes Swoboda who said that Serbia will have to recognize Kosovo before joining the EU, let Serbs know they dont have to do it tomorrow, but the sooner the better.
And today (14/10/2012) we read: Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić told daily Večernje novosti that the EU had no alternative for Serbia.

Do I or other commentators here need to add anything?....

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Serbia a founding member of the UN, what a joke.

Serbia officially became a member of the UN on November 01, 2000.

And as far as what Serbia thinks about Kosoo's "territorial integrity" has absolutely nothing to do with reality.

Firstly, to date 92 UN members recognize Kosovo's "territorial integrity", furthermore 22 EU countries and soon to be 23 EU countries (when Croatia joins) and the EU as an organization recognizes Kosovo's "territorial integrity" based on the latest October 10/2012 EU report.

Serbia's denial of the facts on the ground and the reality of Kosovo is only going to isolate Serbia which is surrounded by EU states or soon to be EU states.

There will be a further exodus from Serbia, people who will be seeking better living conditions.

The economic situation in Serbia will grow colder and darker with Serbia's present attitude towards reality.

The truth hurts, but the sooner somebody in Serbia informs the Serbs of the truth and reality the better for the Serbs.

If not, things will only get worse, for nobody else but the Serbs themselves.

icj1

pre 11 godina

"He noted that the EU should be committed to the international law and the UN Charter."

That's exactly what Kosovo's Declaration of Independence did and thus the EU is committed to it per Tomislav's request above.

sj

pre 11 godina

(icj1, 14 October 2012 02:09)

The EU and Us have not disappeared, but their power and authority is diminishing – that’s the message. Why even US media are now stating that after the November Presidential elections the pain will start and taxes increase and expenditure decease starting with defense spending. They have lost most of ground gained after the fall of the Berlin wall starting with the Ukraine and Georgia. The US has lost the most lucrative prize – Caspian Sea oil and gas and now it’s been kicked out of Iraq with their PM in Moscow putting in an order for billion in weapons with many more to come. It cannot be a collapse because it would affect everyone, but it must be an orderly handing over of the baton.
The Us will be still with us and it will be a large economy but the corporations have squeezed all they can and will leave the aver Joe the bill to pay.
The EU has surrendered its ambitions to enlarge going as far as the Chinese border. Hey what can I say more? Its called capitulation.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

i'm so sick of the belgrade regime --- this one, the last one... somehow, they all end up sounding exactly like slobo. when i think of all the time and energy we exerted to bring down that tyrant, just to end up with this dreck... OTPOR! resist...

robert0 frisco
(roberto, 13 October 2012 17:42)
=================================
Not as much as we are sick of you coming on here blasting Serbs at every opportunity and yet B92 keeps posting your crap.

Why do you care who people of Serbia elect? You claim you are not Serbian or Albanian. You have no affiliation with either and yet you are so emotionally invested in the plight of Albanians that you are compelled to come here time after time and spew your opinion all over the place.

Oh please come out of the closet.

icj1

pre 11 godina

Let’s look at how events have evolved recently.
Ukraine and Georgia gone, but more recently and probably the most devastating is Brussels’ capitulation on EU expansionism. Is there any wonder why this has occurred? No it called no more cash – the good times are over and now it’s time to pay for all those happy days of living off fantasy.
The Russians are delighted to hear that EU will expand no more and President Nikolic can now openly say what was under Tadic a dirty little secret i.e. that Serbia will not let Kosovo go. Tadic only played lip service to that because he was a puppet of the west – watch how Boris becomes rich over a short period of time.
Watch as more changes start within the next couple of months. Many have been saying the west is in serious trouble and now we see the crack appearing.
(sj, 13 October 2012 14:00)

Thanks sj for these excellent recap. That's why you are the CE of the B92 forums to bring joy to all of us just at the moment when we thought that nothing was left to collapse after the collapse of the USA and the EU.

Now that the USA and the EU have disappeared from the face of the Earth together with all of their allies the world is a much better place. And I'm sure the upcoming changes that you are announcing will make the world even a better place ruled by Serbia and its powerful allies :).

sj

pre 11 godina

Kosova is soon integral part of Albania with West Macedonia.
Integrity of Albanian nation and Albanians people.
(Adem, 13 October 2012 21:37)

When halal pork starts flying Kosovo and western Macedonia will become part of Albania.

sj

pre 11 godina

(Mark, 13 October 2012 20:48)

Now how long have these 22 countries recognized a so called independent Kosovo? And what has changed for these Kosovars?? NOTHING at all.
You might want to read yesterdays article about “The EU has rendered inefficient its only foreign policy weapon - enlargement, much to the joy of Russia, Austrian daily Presse writes on Thursday.” This little man is the price the EU paid to Russia for investing in their Euro bonds to help them survive so far.
Next is South Stream in 2014. With that major pipeline complete and others already existing and being built now Russian gas will supply 65% of EU needs and Serbia will be left to control the entire Balkans. Now would you like enlighten us all here about Presavo Valley (which Albos are now a minority) Sandzak (since the largest part is in Montenegro) and Vojvodina (which is 80% Serb).
You have no idea whats waiting for your Albanians. But enjoy your fantasies.

Tony_UK

pre 11 godina

sj,

No need to tell me, tell your own leaders that EU is bankrupt and breaking up. As your efforts to integrate are immense, no matter how much you are being told "you are not wanted".
If the situation with EU is as you say, why the unnecessary and painful humiliation of continue knocking on a shut door?

As for your threats (your comment last para.), I could be wrong but, another war in the Balkans would probably suit anybody else more than Serbia, so you are welcome to that...

EA

pre 11 godina

"A change of formulation....." would make Serbia more difficult to talk to....it will raise some hopes in Serbian public that "Kosovo is still Serbia" and "EU has acceped " due to "Serbian resiliace"...)) Does anyone believe that?

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Now let us see the strong countries surrounding Serbia: Kosova,Croatia, Hungary,Bulgaria and Macedonia since NATO is also the boss there. "
(Ardi Asllani, 13 October 2012 16:31)

Strong countries? And even 'Kosova' included? I think you should be awarded with the 'most absurd joke of the week' medal! Congratulations in advance!

sj

pre 11 godina

(Tony_UK, 14 October 2012 12:26)
You people just don’t get it. The EU has has been saying until very recently that EU expansion is proceeding according to schedule, then all of a sudden silence. The money has run out – NO MORE CASH. It has now been reported in a Vienna newspaper that the EU has given up its only weapon against Russia.
Diplomat and government keep on repeating the same old phrases until policy changes – the last US Ambassador to South Vietnam said a couple of months before leaving that they would never desert their friends until policy changed.
You can Special Rapporteur for the Western Balkans all you like but policy will change. Večernje novosti have been printing this same stuff for the last 8 years and nothing has changed for Kosovo and nothing will considering the Russians are taking over from the US. I hope your relative in Kosovo have their passport ready becasue once the Serb administration takes over life is going to be, let’s say not that comfortable – enjoy.

pss

pre 11 godina

I hope your relative in Kosovo have their passport ready becasue once the Serb administration takes over life is going to be, let’s say not that comfortable – enjoy.
(sj, 14 October 2012 14:22)
Only one appropriate response possible. "You funny"

icj1

pre 11 godina

The EU and Us have not disappeared
(sj, 14 October 2012 14:06)

Oh mate, I was about the throw a party to celebrate the EU and USA's collapse, now you're saying I have to wait still after year and years in waiting... Do you have a date when we can finally rejoice and enjoy a world under the rule of Serbia and its powerful allies ?

sj

pre 11 godina

(Tony_UK, 14 October 2012 15:29)
Read it and weep boys. If you think that will not happen and the Russians will not control Europe, then why did the US go into Iraq? Free the people or the oppressed oil reserves?
Old proverb – he who controls the energy controls all.

sj

pre 11 godina

(icj1, 14 October 2012 19:40)

Wait be patient and see what happens after the next Presidential elections – they have to start massive budget reductions followed by tax increases (something every US economists fears because any tax increases will cause the US economy to take an even worse downturn) and the first cuts have to come from defence with further massive reductions in following years and closure of bases all around the world – a contraction we have not seen before in history.

However, for our Albanian friends let me say that all is well as the US can borrow without limit as it will be protected with pixy dust and the cloak of freedom and democracy.

Uli

pre 11 godina

It does not matter what you really think, Mr President. Eu, and majority of serbian populations, including you know very well that Serbia will not be allowed to get into the European union with Kosovo. After all, Kosovo is an Albanian territory and Albania is the only country that should have legal rights to Kosovo and not Serbia.

roberto

pre 11 godina

i'm so sick of the belgrade regime --- this one, the last one... somehow, they all end up sounding exactly like slobo. when i think of all the time and energy we exerted to bring down that tyrant, just to end up with this dreck... OTPOR! resist...

robert0 frisco

EA

pre 11 godina

sj,

What did you say? Serbia will not let Kosovo go? Kosovo is gone....you jusr need a good wake up, wash up your face with good cold water....

miles

pre 11 godina

At last common sense from the Serbian side-time to turn the spotlight on the EU. Status neutral remember. The German's are going to have to fall in line or reveal how much they care about the position or opinions of those members who do not recognize the illegal declaration of independence, and therefore how much they care about the democratic mechanisms of how the EU works. Is it an EU or just Greater Germany? Let's find out.

Next lets dump this 'good neighborly relations' phrase, that doesn't make any sense either.

And if some Albanians don't want to live in Serbia's southern province, well there is a country next door named...wait for it... Albania, feel free.

OK I'll stop now. Way too excited.

Albanian Farmer

pre 11 godina

Some really wishfull thinkers are praying that EU is about to collapse. And the same people think that they will occupy an Albanian land again. Keep dreaming, while still it's free.

However the Serb elite politicians are reduced to scribble with words in trying to fool the people, in thinking that they are stupid and don't understand what's happening.

sj

pre 11 godina

Let’s look at how events have evolved recently.
Ukraine and Georgia gone, but more recently and probably the most devastating is Brussels’ capitulation on EU expansionism. Is there any wonder why this has occurred? No it called no more cash – the good times are over and now it’s time to pay for all those happy days of living off fantasy.
The Russians are delighted to hear that EU will expand no more and President Nikolic can now openly say what was under Tadic a dirty little secret i.e. that Serbia will not let Kosovo go. Tadic only played lip service to that because he was a puppet of the west – watch how Boris becomes rich over a short period of time.
Ahh but time ran out for the west and the Croats like their Albanians brothers have backed the wrong horse and they are starting to squirm as some can see what is going to happen. Kosovo is going nowhere fast except becoming even more miserable than it is already.
Watch as more changes start within the next couple of months. Many have been saying the west is in serious trouble and now we see the crack appearing.

J

pre 11 godina

Serbs you are becoming petty now. When you have a problem with the word integrity you can easily see how messed up in the head you are. All this cacophony for the word integrity. Quit it; now you're behaving like spoiled kids, and this guy is over 60. Some people never grow up. Now go in the corner and cry.

Teslavio

pre 11 godina

A big problem for the West is that they know they cannot indefinitely guard Kosovo from her rightful owner. Sooner or later they will have to leave. Unfortunately for Albanians they do not border any strong western country to be protected by. They are surrounded by Serbs, Greeks, Montenegrins and Macedonians who all have suffered enough and the things will just happen naturally. I think even Albania will cease to exist, and really they have only themselves to blame.

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

A big problem for the West is that they know they cannot indefinitely guard Kosovo from her rightful owner. Sooner or later they will have to leave. Unfortunately for Albanians they do not border any strong western country to be protected by. They are surrounded by Serbs, Greeks, Montenegrins and Macedonians who all have suffered enough and the things will just happen naturally. I think even Albania will cease to exist, and really they have only themselves to blame.
(Teslavio, 13 October 2012 15:42)

Wrong calculation on your part. Montenegro and Macedonia have recognized Kosova and they don't dare side with Serbia. Not only now, but even during the war when Montenegro was in bed with serbia has never made any attempt to attack Kosova. On the contrary, Montenegro gave refuge to to many Albanians when Serb paramilitaries were expelling them from their homeland. Greece is to far away, and would never ever even think about it.
Now let us see the strong countries surrounding Serbia: Kosova,Croatia, Hungary,Bulgaria and Macedonia since NATO is also the boss there. Montenegro will keep to itself in this matter, but when it becomes NATO member, it has to intervene against Serbia if need arises.
Check mate, Teslavio.

Adem

pre 11 godina

Serbia is like gatecrasher.
Get entrance to concert, but no pay.
EU membership in exchange for Kosova recognition?
No problem for Serbia - simple solution.
Get EU membership...then renege on recognisation of Kosova.
Serbian policy so easy even for 5 year child to understand.

Une

pre 11 godina

Teslavio I think it's the other way around. If Serbia does not cease the childish and land grabbing genocidal behavior Croatia, Albania turkey and Bulgaria will put you in train back to the motherland

sdan

pre 11 godina

the EU sets the conditions for enlargement and not an poor and undeveloped country like serbia that wants to join the EU so no one will remove it since 90% of eu countrys have recognized kosovo as a state you cannot join EU will having territorial disputes with a neighboring country (Kosovo) go and read first the copenhagen criteria

albi

pre 11 godina

What is unacceptable is that Serbia pretend to be an enlightened European state, the equal of France, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, etc., while at the same time it wants to subdue 2 million Albanians. Can't have it both ways.

The choice between Kosovo and Europe is not so much a choice that Europeans force on Serbia. It is a choice that Serbia must make: it is the choice between good and evil. The two are not compatible.

I would also say that Europeans cannot become complicit with Serbia in possible future conflicts with Albanians over Kosovo's governance. I think it is self evident that in order to be accepted in the EU, Serbia must cease and desist in Kosovo, as a minimum preliminary requirement.

Lol

pre 11 godina

This is a funny one by SuperBLABLA ! Kosovo is lost since 1999 ( just remind him as I thinkmhe is out of reality and tell him as we'll Berlin Wall collapsed as Yugoslavia, and earth is round and that Elvis is not alive ). Another populist speech ! He is not getting clever but makes more and more people laught !

Mark

pre 11 godina

“In that case, Serbia could respect the wholeness of its southern province which would mean that it accepts that there is no partition,” Nikolić said.

22 out of 27 EU members do not consider Kosovo as Serbia's southern province. If you accept partition or not that is your business. If you go for partition you will also loose Presevo valley,Vojvodina and Sandzak.

Michael

pre 11 godina

All this is an result of Belgrades failes policy at all over years and years. Serbina media are reporting the opinion of the most unkown German MP but not what today the President of Germanys Parliament (Bundestag) has mentioned: the EU should stop NOW the admission of new members before the debt crisis is not solved. The President of the Bundestag is one of the most influential persons in the German politics. This together with the demands of the conference of Germans ministers for interior affairs to abolish the visa-free travel regime with Serbia and FYROM says all about the statements from Tadic to Dacic and his deputy about the "friendship" between germany and Serbia. Serbia will at the end recognize Kosovo but will not become an EU-member.

perun_u

pre 11 godina

Formulation " the integrity of Kosovo" must be ejected or changed.That shouldn't be a problem for the EU, if it wants Serbia as a member of the EU.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Now let us see the strong countries surrounding Serbia: Kosova,Croatia, Hungary,Bulgaria and Macedonia since NATO is also the boss there. "
(Ardi Asllani, 13 October 2012 16:31)

Strong countries? And even 'Kosova' included? I think you should be awarded with the 'most absurd joke of the week' medal! Congratulations in advance!

Peggy

pre 11 godina

i'm so sick of the belgrade regime --- this one, the last one... somehow, they all end up sounding exactly like slobo. when i think of all the time and energy we exerted to bring down that tyrant, just to end up with this dreck... OTPOR! resist...

robert0 frisco
(roberto, 13 October 2012 17:42)
=================================
Not as much as we are sick of you coming on here blasting Serbs at every opportunity and yet B92 keeps posting your crap.

Why do you care who people of Serbia elect? You claim you are not Serbian or Albanian. You have no affiliation with either and yet you are so emotionally invested in the plight of Albanians that you are compelled to come here time after time and spew your opinion all over the place.

Oh please come out of the closet.

sj

pre 11 godina

Kosova is soon integral part of Albania with West Macedonia.
Integrity of Albanian nation and Albanians people.
(Adem, 13 October 2012 21:37)

When halal pork starts flying Kosovo and western Macedonia will become part of Albania.

sj

pre 11 godina

(Mark, 13 October 2012 20:48)

Now how long have these 22 countries recognized a so called independent Kosovo? And what has changed for these Kosovars?? NOTHING at all.
You might want to read yesterdays article about “The EU has rendered inefficient its only foreign policy weapon - enlargement, much to the joy of Russia, Austrian daily Presse writes on Thursday.” This little man is the price the EU paid to Russia for investing in their Euro bonds to help them survive so far.
Next is South Stream in 2014. With that major pipeline complete and others already existing and being built now Russian gas will supply 65% of EU needs and Serbia will be left to control the entire Balkans. Now would you like enlighten us all here about Presavo Valley (which Albos are now a minority) Sandzak (since the largest part is in Montenegro) and Vojvodina (which is 80% Serb).
You have no idea whats waiting for your Albanians. But enjoy your fantasies.

icj1

pre 11 godina

Let’s look at how events have evolved recently.
Ukraine and Georgia gone, but more recently and probably the most devastating is Brussels’ capitulation on EU expansionism. Is there any wonder why this has occurred? No it called no more cash – the good times are over and now it’s time to pay for all those happy days of living off fantasy.
The Russians are delighted to hear that EU will expand no more and President Nikolic can now openly say what was under Tadic a dirty little secret i.e. that Serbia will not let Kosovo go. Tadic only played lip service to that because he was a puppet of the west – watch how Boris becomes rich over a short period of time.
Watch as more changes start within the next couple of months. Many have been saying the west is in serious trouble and now we see the crack appearing.
(sj, 13 October 2012 14:00)

Thanks sj for these excellent recap. That's why you are the CE of the B92 forums to bring joy to all of us just at the moment when we thought that nothing was left to collapse after the collapse of the USA and the EU.

Now that the USA and the EU have disappeared from the face of the Earth together with all of their allies the world is a much better place. And I'm sure the upcoming changes that you are announcing will make the world even a better place ruled by Serbia and its powerful allies :).

Bridge

pre 11 godina

Once upon a time Tomislav Nikolic said " The KLA will not be crushed until i can drink a coffe on top of Berisha mountains "
Wich he failed.

EA

pre 11 godina

"A change of formulation....." would make Serbia more difficult to talk to....it will raise some hopes in Serbian public that "Kosovo is still Serbia" and "EU has acceped " due to "Serbian resiliace"...)) Does anyone believe that?

Daniel

pre 11 godina

Serbia a founding member of the UN, what a joke.

Serbia officially became a member of the UN on November 01, 2000.

And as far as what Serbia thinks about Kosoo's "territorial integrity" has absolutely nothing to do with reality.

Firstly, to date 92 UN members recognize Kosovo's "territorial integrity", furthermore 22 EU countries and soon to be 23 EU countries (when Croatia joins) and the EU as an organization recognizes Kosovo's "territorial integrity" based on the latest October 10/2012 EU report.

Serbia's denial of the facts on the ground and the reality of Kosovo is only going to isolate Serbia which is surrounded by EU states or soon to be EU states.

There will be a further exodus from Serbia, people who will be seeking better living conditions.

The economic situation in Serbia will grow colder and darker with Serbia's present attitude towards reality.

The truth hurts, but the sooner somebody in Serbia informs the Serbs of the truth and reality the better for the Serbs.

If not, things will only get worse, for nobody else but the Serbs themselves.

icj1

pre 11 godina

"He noted that the EU should be committed to the international law and the UN Charter."

That's exactly what Kosovo's Declaration of Independence did and thus the EU is committed to it per Tomislav's request above.

Tony_UK

pre 11 godina

Suzana, give your president a call and let him know that: It is not possible to change the formulation “Kosovo’s territorial integrity” in the Enlargement Strategy and Main Challenges 2012-2013, while European Parliament (EP) Special Rapporteur for the Western Balkans Hannes Swoboda who said that Serbia will have to recognize Kosovo before joining the EU, let Serbs know they dont have to do it tomorrow, but the sooner the better.
And today (14/10/2012) we read: Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić told daily Večernje novosti that the EU had no alternative for Serbia.

Do I or other commentators here need to add anything?....

sj

pre 11 godina

(icj1, 14 October 2012 02:09)

The EU and Us have not disappeared, but their power and authority is diminishing – that’s the message. Why even US media are now stating that after the November Presidential elections the pain will start and taxes increase and expenditure decease starting with defense spending. They have lost most of ground gained after the fall of the Berlin wall starting with the Ukraine and Georgia. The US has lost the most lucrative prize – Caspian Sea oil and gas and now it’s been kicked out of Iraq with their PM in Moscow putting in an order for billion in weapons with many more to come. It cannot be a collapse because it would affect everyone, but it must be an orderly handing over of the baton.
The Us will be still with us and it will be a large economy but the corporations have squeezed all they can and will leave the aver Joe the bill to pay.
The EU has surrendered its ambitions to enlarge going as far as the Chinese border. Hey what can I say more? Its called capitulation.

sj

pre 11 godina

(Tony_UK, 14 October 2012 12:26)
You people just don’t get it. The EU has has been saying until very recently that EU expansion is proceeding according to schedule, then all of a sudden silence. The money has run out – NO MORE CASH. It has now been reported in a Vienna newspaper that the EU has given up its only weapon against Russia.
Diplomat and government keep on repeating the same old phrases until policy changes – the last US Ambassador to South Vietnam said a couple of months before leaving that they would never desert their friends until policy changed.
You can Special Rapporteur for the Western Balkans all you like but policy will change. Večernje novosti have been printing this same stuff for the last 8 years and nothing has changed for Kosovo and nothing will considering the Russians are taking over from the US. I hope your relative in Kosovo have their passport ready becasue once the Serb administration takes over life is going to be, let’s say not that comfortable – enjoy.

Tony_UK

pre 11 godina

sj,

No need to tell me, tell your own leaders that EU is bankrupt and breaking up. As your efforts to integrate are immense, no matter how much you are being told "you are not wanted".
If the situation with EU is as you say, why the unnecessary and painful humiliation of continue knocking on a shut door?

As for your threats (your comment last para.), I could be wrong but, another war in the Balkans would probably suit anybody else more than Serbia, so you are welcome to that...

pss

pre 11 godina

I hope your relative in Kosovo have their passport ready becasue once the Serb administration takes over life is going to be, let’s say not that comfortable – enjoy.
(sj, 14 October 2012 14:22)
Only one appropriate response possible. "You funny"

icj1

pre 11 godina

The EU and Us have not disappeared
(sj, 14 October 2012 14:06)

Oh mate, I was about the throw a party to celebrate the EU and USA's collapse, now you're saying I have to wait still after year and years in waiting... Do you have a date when we can finally rejoice and enjoy a world under the rule of Serbia and its powerful allies ?

sj

pre 11 godina

(Tony_UK, 14 October 2012 15:29)
Read it and weep boys. If you think that will not happen and the Russians will not control Europe, then why did the US go into Iraq? Free the people or the oppressed oil reserves?
Old proverb – he who controls the energy controls all.

sj

pre 11 godina

(icj1, 14 October 2012 19:40)

Wait be patient and see what happens after the next Presidential elections – they have to start massive budget reductions followed by tax increases (something every US economists fears because any tax increases will cause the US economy to take an even worse downturn) and the first cuts have to come from defence with further massive reductions in following years and closure of bases all around the world – a contraction we have not seen before in history.

However, for our Albanian friends let me say that all is well as the US can borrow without limit as it will be protected with pixy dust and the cloak of freedom and democracy.