European Union wins Nobel Peace Prize

If this is the definition of peace then dictionaries will have to be re-printed with the new meaning.Shafting millions of its citizens in order to bail its bankers out (not to mention the absence of any sign of democracy within its borders)deserves the Nobel peace prize.

Since I am an EU citizen and a Nobel prize winner I am just about to rush and add it to my CV to help me advance my career.

When all else fails, award yourself.

May i laugh ?

First it was Al Gore wins peace prize. But when you scratch the surface it was for his film on global warming which was discredited because the science used was found to be incorrect 2 years prior to the movie being made.
Then we have this climate change hero buying up property in San Francisco Bay only meters from the water????? Hello and he won a Nobel Prize.
Then we have Obama – he won a prize for doing absolutely nothing – an incentive to do good.
Nobel Prize Committee is a total disgrace and to save what little credibility they have left should abandon this prize.
My father told me about an old Serbian proverb which goes something like - an under employed priest will even baptize animals.

Self gratitude and assurance at the 11th hour before financial collapse and social uprising against political mismanagement. Peace for who? The bankers?

May as well give one to the former USSR... it held together (by force) alot of nations.

what a joke

@ Ian UK: yes, now, the EU is exporting its wars instead... something which as an EU citizen (and, hence, formally, co-winner of the prize) i am totally appalled by... a peace prize should not go to people waging wars or participating in the military occupation of neightbouring states!

(Ian, UK, 12 October 2012 15:44)

I am still debating if you are trolling or actually believe the comments you make on here. I'm not sure which of the two you are doing. Regardless, if an anti democratic organization like the EU is what it takes for Western Europeans to not kill each other then good luck to you!

If you are willing to accept 75% of Britain's laws being written up in Brussels instead of Westminster and are content with sending them 53 million pounds a day then I mean...what can I say to a person like that. There's coward written all over your comment.

For Serbs though, (Serbia, RS, Montenegro) we'll never join the EU and I thank God for that. The social fabric of the EU simply does not meet Serbian standards of ethnics & values and most importantly, joining the EU would over-regulate Serbia's economy and raise taxes to contribute to the cost of Brussels bureaucracy.

Hope things get better in UK before 2014, otherwise Scotland will most likely break off, and then probably will begin the Balkanization of Western Europe (separatist movements in Catalonia, Basque, Veneto, Flanders ect)...oh how ironic. But you know as they say, you reap what you sow. Nobel Peace..lmao

(luciano, 12 October 2012 18:58)

Professore saves us your lectures about the benefits of EU and instead focus on the reality on the ground.The EU can never become one country like the US for various historical and cultural reasons.Civil war apart,the US has always been one country in its 200 year history whereas Europe fought two world wars.With regard to labour mobility an American can move from one state into another easily and face no problems of xenophobia and language.An EU citizen moving from Greece into Germany will always be looked down upon as inferior,face language barriers and regarded as an immigrant instead of compatriot as it is the case in US.

One can sense the love and affection Europeans have for one another if you happened to see on the news clips from popular demonstrations against austerity in Italy,Spain and Greece.They had Merkel dressed up in an old German national costume and saluted her.

Back on the actual Nobel prise the fact that Ghandi never won it whereas Kissinger (the butcher of Vietnam and Cambodia)won it it says a lot about the motives awarding than the actual prize.

The EU has finally stopped Europeans going to war with one another every five minutes. Ever since it's formation, the only European wars have been caused by none EU members and now they too are looking at joing the EU. The EU has made countries co-operators instead of rivals. Counties work together instead of working against one another. A major European war is now an inconceivable thought and that it thanks to the EU.

When was the last time Europe went 60 years without a major war?

The Nobel Peace Prize is well deserved!

It took many years before all the different states became the United States of America and even a civil war to keep it together a hundred years later.The EU is a great vision for all of Europe to aspire to.It is funny though that Norway where the prize is handed out is too selfish to share its wealth with the more underdeveloped areas of the EU by not becoming a full member.Criticism of any organization is a democratic right but anybody who thinks Europe was or would be better off without the EU should immediately check himself/herself into an insane asylum.The Serbs here with their doomsday predictions of the imminent disintegration of the EU are only making themselves look stupid.

Please please please! I beg you to name just one war which the European Union has exported. I only want you to name one war.
(Ian, UK, 13 October 2012 13:03)
Afghanistan and Libya. The EU gave its full support both politically and logistically after the US went into Iraq - yes the EU objected and did not want to send troops but they helped the US nevertheless. It’s meddling in Syria too.

luciano

It seems to me you haven't read my posting.I did mention "civil war apart" the US has been around as a country for more than 200 years.Comparing its present size (50 states) with that of 1812 ( 18 states) is irrelevant.The fact remains the US was still independent with its own constitution 200 years ago.

Your analogy of the Jewish financier and the poor black man in US as opposed to that of a German and a Greek is totally wrong.The former are both Americans,speak the same language and they respect each other as a fellow citizen whereas the latter are just two strangers unable to communicate with one another and forced to live in an undemocratic union.

I am afraid the EU is one way ticket like the old USSR.Few years back when the French and Dutch voters voted against the Maastricht the EU simply cancelled the voting process in the second round.What Europeans dislike most is the the kind of federal, centralized bureaucracy that a certain political elite within Europe wish to impose on the nations of Europe - often without any democratic mandate.

Congratulations, European Union! I'm hopefull Chancelor Angela Merkel, Europe's strong lady, will gladly accept the price in the name of the EU in Oslo.

The EU is a voluntary union and any country can leave at any time unlike the 13 states in America who seceded and Abraham Lincoln went to war in order to occupy them and rescind their secession so Leonidas is completely wrong to say that the US has always been one country. On the contrary what does a rich Jewish financier living in Manhattan have in common with a poor black man living in the Mississippi Delta? A lot less than the average Greek and German no doubt but if you dont like the EU then vote for the Greek party which advocates leaving the EU simple as that..

..............funny though that Norway where the prize is handed out is too selfish to share its wealth with the more underdeveloped areas of the EU by not becoming a full member. ...........
(luciano, 12 October 2012 18:58)

Norway selfish?!?!
Are you from one of these ‘underdeveloped areas of the EU’ by chance?
Norway has behaved admirably regarding its ‘wealth’ and should be applauded for not joining the financial suicide club.
It is the ‘underdeveloped areas of the EU’ which are proving to be its Achilles heel, how long before the Euro implodes?

Please please please! I beg you to name just one war which the European Union has exported. I only want you to name one war.
(Ian, UK, 13 October 2012 13:03)

The most obvious ones, since we are on B92 platform: the break up of the SFRY, engineered by the US and EU and in which they played a most dodgy 'peace-keeping' role; the bombing of the FRY and ensuing ocupation of Srbija's southern province.

(ben, 13 October 2012 14:05)

The years that Greece defaulted were the years fighting the Ottoman crusaders and their Albanian brothers and therefore the Greek state needed large expenditure to finance those wars.

Since you seem ignorant about who lost money during the last hair cut let me tell you that 75% were Greek pension funds,Greeks invested in government bonds including Greek Cypriot banks.

Do you know how mush interest has Greece paid to German,French and other lenders since 1981 when she joined the EU? The figure till 2011 was 367 billion Euros and still has a debt of 360 billion.Do you know what was Greece's debt before it joined the EU? 22 billion euros.

The EU has indeed done Greece a huge favour.

(Leonidas, 12 October 2012 20:35)

The US has not been one country for 200 years. It was always an expansionist a-hole. It took over parts of Mexico that are now California, Texas, etc and even took out the short lived Republic of Texas. Also it was two countries during the civil war when a handful of states SECEDED. Get your facts straight.

(Ian, UK, 13 October 2012 15:02)

Now who do you think makes up NATO? Serbia or perhaps Russia or maybe China? Wow neither, they are all EU members. Why did they really go into Afghanistan? (Now 9/11 was only the excuse) to take control and pipe oil and gas to Pakistan and avoid Russia altogether. In 1989. George Bush junior entertained the Taliban leadership on his ranch with a BBQ lunch
Yes the people in the EU were against any war and the opposition parties in those countries at the start sided up with the governments then did what they do best oppose while in opposition but continue doing the same while in Government. The EU countries in the last 2 years have refused to send more troops despite the US asking repeatedly.
No there was no existing war in Libya. It’s the same deal as in Syria today – the US supporting Islamic fundamentalists into power – the so called Arab spring???. Now who were the major EU players? France, Germany and UK. Or perhaps there is another EU on Barsoom you are talking about.

@ Ian UK: yes, now, the EU is exporting its wars instead... something which as an EU citizen (and, hence, formally, co-winner of the prize) i am totally appalled by... a peace prize should not go to people waging wars or participating in the military occupation of neightbouring states!
(M-la-maudite, 12 October 2012 17:30)

Please please please! I beg you to name just one war which the European Union has exported. I only want you to name one war.

"Also it was two countries during the civil war when a handful of states SECEDED. Get your facts straight.
(The Traveller, 12 October 2012 21:18) "

Five countries of the EU didn't recognize the Confederacy (I'm not sure if anyone did, actually), so I guess it wasn't really a country. So the United States (grammatically singular) has remained remained a single country, although its boundaries have expanded.

(Ari Gold, 12 October 2012 17:33)

What is undemocratic about the EU?

I have no issue with laws being made in Brussels as they are decided by elected MEPs in European elections, which I must say are the most democratic elections in the UK as they're done by the proportionate representation method, as opposed to the unfair First-Past-the-Post method, which all the UK's other elections go by.

Yes we may spend Millions per day, but the EU is very profitable for us & lots of that money works it's way back into the UK. Wherever you go in the UK you can see things that have been funded by the EU. For example did you know that Birmingham is the city in the EU which receives the most money for re-development. There are so many projects in the UK which are funded by the EU,. Then all trade which the UK benefits from, which the average British working man benefits from. Then other things like Welsh language revival. If the UK weren't in the EU, we'd be like Iceland, Switzerland and Norway. Now I'm guessing you've never been to one of them countries. But let me tell you, in Norway you can pay £20 for a crappy frozen pizza compared to here the UK where you will pay just £4. That is just one simple example of how the average working man benefits economically from being in the EU. Prices would be significantly higher without the EU & the average man wouldn't have as much disposable income as now.

There won't be a Balkanisation in Western Europe as we look after ethnic minorities.

Leonidis: what do you Greeks have to complain about EU???

you have defaulted five times (1826, 1843, 1860, 1894 and 1932) until now. http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0911/the-history-of-greek-sovereign-debt-defaults.aspx#axzz29BAxsP2w
The countries that financed you then are countries that constitute EU today and finance your bankrupt state today. So what are you complaining abut??? that they resuscitate you each time you bankrupt???

do you know how much money they write-off to you??? It would have made the entire Balkans to flourish. Do you know how much money they are planning to give to the entire Balkans in support??? It is 2.5% of the amount of only the debt that was written-off to you. And you still complain about EU getting the peace price???
I guess I agree with you. EU should have asked you to repay YOUR loans to the last cent. And of course then should have deserved the Nobel peace prize and for Economics too- for rigorously enforcing the market discipline- as it should have done.

Yes SJ, Afghanistan was a US led war after the US activated article 5 of the NATO agreement following 9/11. Vert different from the EU exporting war. There was already a war in Libya before NATO members (some of which are also EU members) got involved, again the EU hasn't exported war to Libya. Iraq, most EU cointries were opposed to the US invasion but have attempted to help clean up post war, as has your country Australia. Again the EU hasn't exported war to Iraq unlike Australia which was involved in the invasion. Yes most EU countries are supportive/ sympathise with the Syrian opposition in the Civil War, but again they haven't exported war to Syria. Some EU countries are meddling in Syria, but not as much as the US, China, Turkey and Russia. But still the EU hasn't exported a single war. You can try and dress it up to make it appear as the EU has, but in reality that is not true.

Maudite,

Oh no! Serbia was an innocent bystander in all the wars in ex-yu. Damn the big-bad west!

"The years that Greece defaulted were the years fighting the Ottoman crusaders and their Albanian brothers..."

wax tax dodging the excuse this time? by the way, vote for the party who wants to leave the EU at your next elections

As a Norwegian, I am deeply ashamed and want to apologize to all people EU has starved, forced into poverty (eg. Greece), waged war against, or been bombed by EU-made weapons (eg. Yugoslavia), throug its 60 years of conceiled abuse of far to many ordinary people.
Throughout history all empires have claimed to represent peace and sivilization. From "Pax Romana" to "the white mans burden" of the British empire. Hence, they have awarded themselves various medals and orders of honour, from "the victoria cross" to "the order of Lenin." And their contemporary generations have blindly applauded them. This has been the sad story through out the millenniums.
I hope future generations will be able to open their eyes and break this visous circle.

The EU has finally stopped Europeans going to war with one another every five minutes. Ever since it's formation, the only European wars have been caused by none EU members and now they too are looking at joing the EU. The EU has made countries co-operators instead of rivals. Counties work together instead of working against one another. A major European war is now an inconceivable thought and that it thanks to the EU.

When was the last time Europe went 60 years without a major war?

The Nobel Peace Prize is well deserved!

Congratulations, European Union! I'm hopefull Chancelor Angela Merkel, Europe's strong lady, will gladly accept the price in the name of the EU in Oslo.

It took many years before all the different states became the United States of America and even a civil war to keep it together a hundred years later.The EU is a great vision for all of Europe to aspire to.It is funny though that Norway where the prize is handed out is too selfish to share its wealth with the more underdeveloped areas of the EU by not becoming a full member.Criticism of any organization is a democratic right but anybody who thinks Europe was or would be better off without the EU should immediately check himself/herself into an insane asylum.The Serbs here with their doomsday predictions of the imminent disintegration of the EU are only making themselves look stupid.

If this is the definition of peace then dictionaries will have to be re-printed with the new meaning.Shafting millions of its citizens in order to bail its bankers out (not to mention the absence of any sign of democracy within its borders)deserves the Nobel peace prize.

Since I am an EU citizen and a Nobel prize winner I am just about to rush and add it to my CV to help me advance my career.

First it was Al Gore wins peace prize. But when you scratch the surface it was for his film on global warming which was discredited because the science used was found to be incorrect 2 years prior to the movie being made.
Then we have this climate change hero buying up property in San Francisco Bay only meters from the water????? Hello and he won a Nobel Prize.
Then we have Obama – he won a prize for doing absolutely nothing – an incentive to do good.
Nobel Prize Committee is a total disgrace and to save what little credibility they have left should abandon this prize.
My father told me about an old Serbian proverb which goes something like - an under employed priest will even baptize animals.

(Leonidas, 12 October 2012 20:35)

The US has not been one country for 200 years. It was always an expansionist a-hole. It took over parts of Mexico that are now California, Texas, etc and even took out the short lived Republic of Texas. Also it was two countries during the civil war when a handful of states SECEDED. Get your facts straight.

May i laugh ?

The EU is a voluntary union and any country can leave at any time unlike the 13 states in America who seceded and Abraham Lincoln went to war in order to occupy them and rescind their secession so Leonidas is completely wrong to say that the US has always been one country. On the contrary what does a rich Jewish financier living in Manhattan have in common with a poor black man living in the Mississippi Delta? A lot less than the average Greek and German no doubt but if you dont like the EU then vote for the Greek party which advocates leaving the EU simple as that..

When all else fails, award yourself.

(Ian, UK, 12 October 2012 15:44)

I am still debating if you are trolling or actually believe the comments you make on here. I'm not sure which of the two you are doing. Regardless, if an anti democratic organization like the EU is what it takes for Western Europeans to not kill each other then good luck to you!

If you are willing to accept 75% of Britain's laws being written up in Brussels instead of Westminster and are content with sending them 53 million pounds a day then I mean...what can I say to a person like that. There's coward written all over your comment.

For Serbs though, (Serbia, RS, Montenegro) we'll never join the EU and I thank God for that. The social fabric of the EU simply does not meet Serbian standards of ethnics & values and most importantly, joining the EU would over-regulate Serbia's economy and raise taxes to contribute to the cost of Brussels bureaucracy.

Hope things get better in UK before 2014, otherwise Scotland will most likely break off, and then probably will begin the Balkanization of Western Europe (separatist movements in Catalonia, Basque, Veneto, Flanders ect)...oh how ironic. But you know as they say, you reap what you sow. Nobel Peace..lmao

@ Ian UK: yes, now, the EU is exporting its wars instead... something which as an EU citizen (and, hence, formally, co-winner of the prize) i am totally appalled by... a peace prize should not go to people waging wars or participating in the military occupation of neightbouring states!
(M-la-maudite, 12 October 2012 17:30)

Please please please! I beg you to name just one war which the European Union has exported. I only want you to name one war.

May as well give one to the former USSR... it held together (by force) alot of nations.

what a joke

Self gratitude and assurance at the 11th hour before financial collapse and social uprising against political mismanagement. Peace for who? The bankers?

"Also it was two countries during the civil war when a handful of states SECEDED. Get your facts straight.
(The Traveller, 12 October 2012 21:18) "

Five countries of the EU didn't recognize the Confederacy (I'm not sure if anyone did, actually), so I guess it wasn't really a country. So the United States (grammatically singular) has remained remained a single country, although its boundaries have expanded.

(Ari Gold, 12 October 2012 17:33)

What is undemocratic about the EU?

I have no issue with laws being made in Brussels as they are decided by elected MEPs in European elections, which I must say are the most democratic elections in the UK as they're done by the proportionate representation method, as opposed to the unfair First-Past-the-Post method, which all the UK's other elections go by.

Yes we may spend Millions per day, but the EU is very profitable for us & lots of that money works it's way back into the UK. Wherever you go in the UK you can see things that have been funded by the EU. For example did you know that Birmingham is the city in the EU which receives the most money for re-development. There are so many projects in the UK which are funded by the EU,. Then all trade which the UK benefits from, which the average British working man benefits from. Then other things like Welsh language revival. If the UK weren't in the EU, we'd be like Iceland, Switzerland and Norway. Now I'm guessing you've never been to one of them countries. But let me tell you, in Norway you can pay £20 for a crappy frozen pizza compared to here the UK where you will pay just £4. That is just one simple example of how the average working man benefits economically from being in the EU. Prices would be significantly higher without the EU & the average man wouldn't have as much disposable income as now.

There won't be a Balkanisation in Western Europe as we look after ethnic minorities.

Leonidis: what do you Greeks have to complain about EU???

you have defaulted five times (1826, 1843, 1860, 1894 and 1932) until now. http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0911/the-history-of-greek-sovereign-debt-defaults.aspx#axzz29BAxsP2w
The countries that financed you then are countries that constitute EU today and finance your bankrupt state today. So what are you complaining abut??? that they resuscitate you each time you bankrupt???

do you know how much money they write-off to you??? It would have made the entire Balkans to flourish. Do you know how much money they are planning to give to the entire Balkans in support??? It is 2.5% of the amount of only the debt that was written-off to you. And you still complain about EU getting the peace price???
I guess I agree with you. EU should have asked you to repay YOUR loans to the last cent. And of course then should have deserved the Nobel peace prize and for Economics too- for rigorously enforcing the market discipline- as it should have done.

Yes SJ, Afghanistan was a US led war after the US activated article 5 of the NATO agreement following 9/11. Vert different from the EU exporting war. There was already a war in Libya before NATO members (some of which are also EU members) got involved, again the EU hasn't exported war to Libya. Iraq, most EU cointries were opposed to the US invasion but have attempted to help clean up post war, as has your country Australia. Again the EU hasn't exported war to Iraq unlike Australia which was involved in the invasion. Yes most EU countries are supportive/ sympathise with the Syrian opposition in the Civil War, but again they haven't exported war to Syria. Some EU countries are meddling in Syria, but not as much as the US, China, Turkey and Russia. But still the EU hasn't exported a single war. You can try and dress it up to make it appear as the EU has, but in reality that is not true.

@ Ian UK: yes, now, the EU is exporting its wars instead... something which as an EU citizen (and, hence, formally, co-winner of the prize) i am totally appalled by... a peace prize should not go to people waging wars or participating in the military occupation of neightbouring states!

(luciano, 12 October 2012 18:58)

Professore saves us your lectures about the benefits of EU and instead focus on the reality on the ground.The EU can never become one country like the US for various historical and cultural reasons.Civil war apart,the US has always been one country in its 200 year history whereas Europe fought two world wars.With regard to labour mobility an American can move from one state into another easily and face no problems of xenophobia and language.An EU citizen moving from Greece into Germany will always be looked down upon as inferior,face language barriers and regarded as an immigrant instead of compatriot as it is the case in US.

One can sense the love and affection Europeans have for one another if you happened to see on the news clips from popular demonstrations against austerity in Italy,Spain and Greece.They had Merkel dressed up in an old German national costume and saluted her.

Back on the actual Nobel prise the fact that Ghandi never won it whereas Kissinger (the butcher of Vietnam and Cambodia)won it it says a lot about the motives awarding than the actual prize.

Maudite,

Oh no! Serbia was an innocent bystander in all the wars in ex-yu. Damn the big-bad west!

..............funny though that Norway where the prize is handed out is too selfish to share its wealth with the more underdeveloped areas of the EU by not becoming a full member. ...........
(luciano, 12 October 2012 18:58)

Norway selfish?!?!
Are you from one of these ‘underdeveloped areas of the EU’ by chance?
Norway has behaved admirably regarding its ‘wealth’ and should be applauded for not joining the financial suicide club.
It is the ‘underdeveloped areas of the EU’ which are proving to be its Achilles heel, how long before the Euro implodes?

luciano

It seems to me you haven't read my posting.I did mention "civil war apart" the US has been around as a country for more than 200 years.Comparing its present size (50 states) with that of 1812 ( 18 states) is irrelevant.The fact remains the US was still independent with its own constitution 200 years ago.

Your analogy of the Jewish financier and the poor black man in US as opposed to that of a German and a Greek is totally wrong.The former are both Americans,speak the same language and they respect each other as a fellow citizen whereas the latter are just two strangers unable to communicate with one another and forced to live in an undemocratic union.

I am afraid the EU is one way ticket like the old USSR.Few years back when the French and Dutch voters voted against the Maastricht the EU simply cancelled the voting process in the second round.What Europeans dislike most is the the kind of federal, centralized bureaucracy that a certain political elite within Europe wish to impose on the nations of Europe - often without any democratic mandate.

Please please please! I beg you to name just one war which the European Union has exported. I only want you to name one war.
(Ian, UK, 13 October 2012 13:03)
Afghanistan and Libya. The EU gave its full support both politically and logistically after the US went into Iraq - yes the EU objected and did not want to send troops but they helped the US nevertheless. It’s meddling in Syria too.

Please please please! I beg you to name just one war which the European Union has exported. I only want you to name one war.
(Ian, UK, 13 October 2012 13:03)

The most obvious ones, since we are on B92 platform: the break up of the SFRY, engineered by the US and EU and in which they played a most dodgy 'peace-keeping' role; the bombing of the FRY and ensuing ocupation of Srbija's southern province.

(ben, 13 October 2012 14:05)

The years that Greece defaulted were the years fighting the Ottoman crusaders and their Albanian brothers and therefore the Greek state needed large expenditure to finance those wars.

Since you seem ignorant about who lost money during the last hair cut let me tell you that 75% were Greek pension funds,Greeks invested in government bonds including Greek Cypriot banks.

Do you know how mush interest has Greece paid to German,French and other lenders since 1981 when she joined the EU? The figure till 2011 was 367 billion Euros and still has a debt of 360 billion.Do you know what was Greece's debt before it joined the EU? 22 billion euros.

The EU has indeed done Greece a huge favour.

(Ian, UK, 13 October 2012 15:02)

Now who do you think makes up NATO? Serbia or perhaps Russia or maybe China? Wow neither, they are all EU members. Why did they really go into Afghanistan? (Now 9/11 was only the excuse) to take control and pipe oil and gas to Pakistan and avoid Russia altogether. In 1989. George Bush junior entertained the Taliban leadership on his ranch with a BBQ lunch
Yes the people in the EU were against any war and the opposition parties in those countries at the start sided up with the governments then did what they do best oppose while in opposition but continue doing the same while in Government. The EU countries in the last 2 years have refused to send more troops despite the US asking repeatedly.
No there was no existing war in Libya. It’s the same deal as in Syria today – the US supporting Islamic fundamentalists into power – the so called Arab spring???. Now who were the major EU players? France, Germany and UK. Or perhaps there is another EU on Barsoom you are talking about.

"The years that Greece defaulted were the years fighting the Ottoman crusaders and their Albanian brothers..."

wax tax dodging the excuse this time? by the way, vote for the party who wants to leave the EU at your next elections

As a Norwegian, I am deeply ashamed and want to apologize to all people EU has starved, forced into poverty (eg. Greece), waged war against, or been bombed by EU-made weapons (eg. Yugoslavia), throug its 60 years of conceiled abuse of far to many ordinary people.
Throughout history all empires have claimed to represent peace and sivilization. From "Pax Romana" to "the white mans burden" of the British empire. Hence, they have awarded themselves various medals and orders of honour, from "the victoria cross" to "the order of Lenin." And their contemporary generations have blindly applauded them. This has been the sad story through out the millenniums.
I hope future generations will be able to open their eyes and break this visous circle.