Ivica Dačić says the European Commission (EC) demand for Serbia to respect "the territorial integrity of Kosovo" could bring an end to the Kosovo dialogue.
yes Bob, except, 1244 is dead. name me one thing that UNMIK decides in kosova today? nothing. all legal documents are issued by the Kosova authorities. serbia can have this delusion that the UN is calling the shots if it pleases voters in Novi Sad or Nis, but come to Prishtina and see a different reality
It's interesting to note that EC report states that "there are no legal obstacles to start talks on EU integration with Kosovo".
Really?! What about UN Resolution 1244?!
Does this means that EU will stop abiding by the UN Resolutions?
Also, five member states of EU DIDN'T recognize Kosovo independence and fully support territorial integrity and sovereignty of Serbia. Will EU go against the will of its five members?
No legal obstacles, indeed...
"The formulation about Kosovo's "territorial integrity" does not prejudge its status, the EU official said, but rather shows that the the EC was against its partition. "
Why only to show what EC is against? Is their desire only thing that matters?
How about to change the text to state that both Kosovo's and Serbia's territorial integrity is to be respected, if for no other reason to show that Serbia is against its partition?
This could be acceptable to all.
Kosovo and countries that see Kosovo as independent state could interpret this as that there is no territorial aspirations between Kosovo and Serbia (North of Kosovo and Presevo Valley).
Serbia and countries that see Kosovo as part of Serbia could interpret it as confirmation of Serbia's territorial integrity and would sign too.
Status quo. We move on.
But, eventually, they will want us to recognize Kosovo or give up EU.
Personally, I would give up EU, but this would be up to the people of Serbia to decide.
I agree with the anthropologist. Serbia has more chance of breaking the 'Kosova' project by not allowing a split in the North and by putting in lots of autonomy for Serbs in other areas.
Serbia should maintain its ownership, but cooperate with Pristina on the basis that it is an approved 'autonomous' entity under the terms of 1244.
Pristina will then be the ones in a huff, because being told that they must cooperate with Serbia as if they were merely an autonomous entity within Serbia is likely to make them feel a bit ill.
Tolerate the EU, tolerate 'Kosova', but play the long game. There's plenty to happen yet.
You're an idiot Dacicu..matter of fact the entire government is one big joke. How much longer are we going to continue playing this game? The choices are clear, we either join the EU or we continue fighting for our sovereignty.
Our claim over Kosovo i Metohija would have been much stronger today had we not gave in to Brussels' demands. Redrafting the UN resolution, signing an agreement allowing EULEX to take over UNMIK and this meaningless dialogue has all been one giant waste of time and money. Chances are the EU is doing this because after Croatia, the EU wants to 'close the books' and not allow any more countries in. In fact, Austria has openly said that is what should happen. And you know, it takes all members to agree on membership.
That's okay because as I've said before, Serbia's primary foreign policy objectives need to be membership into the Eurasian Union and CSTO, as well as deepening the political, economic and military relations with Israel. Republika Srpska has already done that, and done it well. As has Greece and Cyprus. It is time for Serbia to follow suit and invite Israel's further engagement in the Balkans.
It sounds like Ivica doesn't feel like doing any of the heavy lifting.
Heck, why not leave the mess to the next generation.
It's easiest to go out there and make a few 'relevant' statements and then back out and blame the West.
In a nutshell, why I just wrote above summarizes Serbian foreign policy.
It's nothing new and it's here to stay.
"The territorial integrity is not linked to Serbia, that term is not linked to Kosovo's status. It's a clear signal that the Commission does not want a partition of Kosovo," the news agency quoted Fule as saying.
As I thought. Dacic wants partition which undercuts Serbia's interests in Kosovo. So Kosovo is kept whole, which forces Pristina to accept sweeping autonomy for the north and recognition of its "parallel institutions", and allows Belgrade to push for greater autonomy for enclaves south of the Ibar (Ahtisaari Plus). If I were an Albanian, I'd want partition since that gets rid of the north and shuts Dacic up. Being forced to deal with everything as a package now only means further weakening of Kosovo's alleged sovereignty. Serbia has to respect Bosnia's "territorial integrity" too, and look at how many bridges, both literal and figurative, are being built across the Drina, not to mention the dismal state of BiH :)
Thank you Mr. Fuele for not only obstructing Dacic's quick fix solution, but undercutting Pristina's hopes of ever being a unified and functioning state. Who would have thought you were so covertly pro-Serbian? :)
Think the remedy against schizophrenic policies has finally hit home. How long will the Serb majority tolerate this en mass manipulation and delusional day to day politics. sitting like lame ducks in the fog hoping to get Kosovo back.
If you close the Belgrade-Priština dialogue or if you break up conversations with PR, you will close the door of EU. Don't play with us, Ivice. Don't play with our life. You know very well how was your former boss ended political career.
(Bela Lugosi, 10 October 2012 15:13)
You can jabber and babble as much as you want:
Kosovo is part of Serbia according to UN1244 and if the EU even in one sentence ignores the resolution UN1244 that will be it:
the total end of EU integrations for Serbia,thanks god!
We have Russia,China old customers from the unalligned beside the EU to work with together!
If you wan`t into the Eu,pack your bags and go: but we Serbs will not give away one inch of our southern serbian province!
Thanks god Dacic is slowly preparing the public for the end of this EU charade which was never popular in Serbia anyway(95% of Serbs are against EU and for Russia)
Ivica is upset - I'm tempted to say diddums. A statement every day isn't a sign that you are working, in fact the chances are that if one is obsessed with addressing the media and one's image, then he is obviously not doing his job...
Time for Ivica to send out his minions to address the media and to get to work (as if that would ever happen)
Serbian leaders continuously claim they will not give Kosovo for EU. Now, looks that this really hurts! Question to Dacic: Do you want EU or you don't want EU?
Think about it, and once for last forget about Kosovo!
If you close the Belgrade-Priština dialogue or if you break up conversations with PR, you will close the door of EU. Don't play with us, Ivice. Don't play with our life. You know very well how was your former boss ended political career.
Nothing should be suprising or upsetting in this document. 22 of the 27 members already recognize Kosovo. Serbia can not join the EU while it has territorial ambitions towards Kosovo. How can Serbia possibly join the EU and at the same time claim that Kosovo is still part of Serbia. This fact alone puts Serbia in direct conflict with major powers within EU and outside EU as well. Lets face it; Who is Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Spain and Cyprus to question the wealthy Germany, France, England and et all. How much weight do these five states carry within the EU. I would bet money that if EU had to do it all over again most of these states will not be allowed to join the union. As far as the major EU powers are concerned Kosovo is independent and Serbia has to deal with it whether it likes or not. To make matters worse most of the EU powers have no sympathy none whatsoever for Serbia considering its recent past behavior. It is a clear impression that EU really could care less if Serbia decides to seek financial help say elsewhere in Russia or China.
Nothing should be suprising or upsetting in this document. 22 of the 27 members already recognize Kosovo. Serbia can not join the EU while it has territorial ambitions towards Kosovo. How can Serbia possibly join the EU and at the same time claim that Kosovo is still part of Serbia. This fact alone puts Serbia in direct conflict with major powers within EU and outside EU as well. Lets face it; Who is Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Spain and Cyprus to question the wealthy Germany, France, England and et all. How much weight do these five states carry within the EU. I would bet money that if EU had to do it all over again most of these states will not be allowed to join the union. As far as the major EU powers are concerned Kosovo is independent and Serbia has to deal with it whether it likes or not. To make matters worse most of the EU powers have no sympathy none whatsoever for Serbia considering its recent past behavior. It is a clear impression that EU really could care less if Serbia decides to seek financial help say elsewhere in Russia or China.
If you close the Belgrade-Priština dialogue or if you break up conversations with PR, you will close the door of EU. Don't play with us, Ivice. Don't play with our life. You know very well how was your former boss ended political career.
Serbian leaders continuously claim they will not give Kosovo for EU. Now, looks that this really hurts! Question to Dacic: Do you want EU or you don't want EU?
Think about it, and once for last forget about Kosovo!
If you close the Belgrade-Priština dialogue or if you break up conversations with PR, you will close the door of EU. Don't play with us, Ivice. Don't play with our life. You know very well how was your former boss ended political career.
(Bela Lugosi, 10 October 2012 15:13)
You can jabber and babble as much as you want:
Kosovo is part of Serbia according to UN1244 and if the EU even in one sentence ignores the resolution UN1244 that will be it:
the total end of EU integrations for Serbia,thanks god!
We have Russia,China old customers from the unalligned beside the EU to work with together!
If you wan`t into the Eu,pack your bags and go: but we Serbs will not give away one inch of our southern serbian province!
Thanks god Dacic is slowly preparing the public for the end of this EU charade which was never popular in Serbia anyway(95% of Serbs are against EU and for Russia)
Ivica is upset - I'm tempted to say diddums. A statement every day isn't a sign that you are working, in fact the chances are that if one is obsessed with addressing the media and one's image, then he is obviously not doing his job...
Time for Ivica to send out his minions to address the media and to get to work (as if that would ever happen)
Think the remedy against schizophrenic policies has finally hit home. How long will the Serb majority tolerate this en mass manipulation and delusional day to day politics. sitting like lame ducks in the fog hoping to get Kosovo back.
"The territorial integrity is not linked to Serbia, that term is not linked to Kosovo's status. It's a clear signal that the Commission does not want a partition of Kosovo," the news agency quoted Fule as saying.
As I thought. Dacic wants partition which undercuts Serbia's interests in Kosovo. So Kosovo is kept whole, which forces Pristina to accept sweeping autonomy for the north and recognition of its "parallel institutions", and allows Belgrade to push for greater autonomy for enclaves south of the Ibar (Ahtisaari Plus). If I were an Albanian, I'd want partition since that gets rid of the north and shuts Dacic up. Being forced to deal with everything as a package now only means further weakening of Kosovo's alleged sovereignty. Serbia has to respect Bosnia's "territorial integrity" too, and look at how many bridges, both literal and figurative, are being built across the Drina, not to mention the dismal state of BiH :)
Thank you Mr. Fuele for not only obstructing Dacic's quick fix solution, but undercutting Pristina's hopes of ever being a unified and functioning state. Who would have thought you were so covertly pro-Serbian? :)
It sounds like Ivica doesn't feel like doing any of the heavy lifting.
Heck, why not leave the mess to the next generation.
It's easiest to go out there and make a few 'relevant' statements and then back out and blame the West.
In a nutshell, why I just wrote above summarizes Serbian foreign policy.
It's nothing new and it's here to stay.
You're an idiot Dacicu..matter of fact the entire government is one big joke. How much longer are we going to continue playing this game? The choices are clear, we either join the EU or we continue fighting for our sovereignty.
Our claim over Kosovo i Metohija would have been much stronger today had we not gave in to Brussels' demands. Redrafting the UN resolution, signing an agreement allowing EULEX to take over UNMIK and this meaningless dialogue has all been one giant waste of time and money. Chances are the EU is doing this because after Croatia, the EU wants to 'close the books' and not allow any more countries in. In fact, Austria has openly said that is what should happen. And you know, it takes all members to agree on membership.
That's okay because as I've said before, Serbia's primary foreign policy objectives need to be membership into the Eurasian Union and CSTO, as well as deepening the political, economic and military relations with Israel. Republika Srpska has already done that, and done it well. As has Greece and Cyprus. It is time for Serbia to follow suit and invite Israel's further engagement in the Balkans.
"The formulation about Kosovo's "territorial integrity" does not prejudge its status, the EU official said, but rather shows that the the EC was against its partition. "
Why only to show what EC is against? Is their desire only thing that matters?
How about to change the text to state that both Kosovo's and Serbia's territorial integrity is to be respected, if for no other reason to show that Serbia is against its partition?
This could be acceptable to all.
Kosovo and countries that see Kosovo as independent state could interpret this as that there is no territorial aspirations between Kosovo and Serbia (North of Kosovo and Presevo Valley).
Serbia and countries that see Kosovo as part of Serbia could interpret it as confirmation of Serbia's territorial integrity and would sign too.
Status quo. We move on.
But, eventually, they will want us to recognize Kosovo or give up EU.
Personally, I would give up EU, but this would be up to the people of Serbia to decide.
yes Bob, except, 1244 is dead. name me one thing that UNMIK decides in kosova today? nothing. all legal documents are issued by the Kosova authorities. serbia can have this delusion that the UN is calling the shots if it pleases voters in Novi Sad or Nis, but come to Prishtina and see a different reality
It's interesting to note that EC report states that "there are no legal obstacles to start talks on EU integration with Kosovo".
Really?! What about UN Resolution 1244?!
Does this means that EU will stop abiding by the UN Resolutions?
Also, five member states of EU DIDN'T recognize Kosovo independence and fully support territorial integrity and sovereignty of Serbia. Will EU go against the will of its five members?
No legal obstacles, indeed...
I agree with the anthropologist. Serbia has more chance of breaking the 'Kosova' project by not allowing a split in the North and by putting in lots of autonomy for Serbs in other areas.
Serbia should maintain its ownership, but cooperate with Pristina on the basis that it is an approved 'autonomous' entity under the terms of 1244.
Pristina will then be the ones in a huff, because being told that they must cooperate with Serbia as if they were merely an autonomous entity within Serbia is likely to make them feel a bit ill.
Tolerate the EU, tolerate 'Kosova', but play the long game. There's plenty to happen yet.
If you close the Belgrade-Priština dialogue or if you break up conversations with PR, you will close the door of EU. Don't play with us, Ivice. Don't play with our life. You know very well how was your former boss ended political career.
If you close the Belgrade-Priština dialogue or if you break up conversations with PR, you will close the door of EU. Don't play with us, Ivice. Don't play with our life. You know very well how was your former boss ended political career.
(Bela Lugosi, 10 October 2012 15:13)
You can jabber and babble as much as you want:
Kosovo is part of Serbia according to UN1244 and if the EU even in one sentence ignores the resolution UN1244 that will be it:
the total end of EU integrations for Serbia,thanks god!
We have Russia,China old customers from the unalligned beside the EU to work with together!
If you wan`t into the Eu,pack your bags and go: but we Serbs will not give away one inch of our southern serbian province!
Thanks god Dacic is slowly preparing the public for the end of this EU charade which was never popular in Serbia anyway(95% of Serbs are against EU and for Russia)
Serbian leaders continuously claim they will not give Kosovo for EU. Now, looks that this really hurts! Question to Dacic: Do you want EU or you don't want EU?
Think about it, and once for last forget about Kosovo!
Nothing should be suprising or upsetting in this document. 22 of the 27 members already recognize Kosovo. Serbia can not join the EU while it has territorial ambitions towards Kosovo. How can Serbia possibly join the EU and at the same time claim that Kosovo is still part of Serbia. This fact alone puts Serbia in direct conflict with major powers within EU and outside EU as well. Lets face it; Who is Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Spain and Cyprus to question the wealthy Germany, France, England and et all. How much weight do these five states carry within the EU. I would bet money that if EU had to do it all over again most of these states will not be allowed to join the union. As far as the major EU powers are concerned Kosovo is independent and Serbia has to deal with it whether it likes or not. To make matters worse most of the EU powers have no sympathy none whatsoever for Serbia considering its recent past behavior. It is a clear impression that EU really could care less if Serbia decides to seek financial help say elsewhere in Russia or China.
Ivica is upset - I'm tempted to say diddums. A statement every day isn't a sign that you are working, in fact the chances are that if one is obsessed with addressing the media and one's image, then he is obviously not doing his job...
Time for Ivica to send out his minions to address the media and to get to work (as if that would ever happen)
"The territorial integrity is not linked to Serbia, that term is not linked to Kosovo's status. It's a clear signal that the Commission does not want a partition of Kosovo," the news agency quoted Fule as saying.
As I thought. Dacic wants partition which undercuts Serbia's interests in Kosovo. So Kosovo is kept whole, which forces Pristina to accept sweeping autonomy for the north and recognition of its "parallel institutions", and allows Belgrade to push for greater autonomy for enclaves south of the Ibar (Ahtisaari Plus). If I were an Albanian, I'd want partition since that gets rid of the north and shuts Dacic up. Being forced to deal with everything as a package now only means further weakening of Kosovo's alleged sovereignty. Serbia has to respect Bosnia's "territorial integrity" too, and look at how many bridges, both literal and figurative, are being built across the Drina, not to mention the dismal state of BiH :)
Thank you Mr. Fuele for not only obstructing Dacic's quick fix solution, but undercutting Pristina's hopes of ever being a unified and functioning state. Who would have thought you were so covertly pro-Serbian? :)
You're an idiot Dacicu..matter of fact the entire government is one big joke. How much longer are we going to continue playing this game? The choices are clear, we either join the EU or we continue fighting for our sovereignty.
Our claim over Kosovo i Metohija would have been much stronger today had we not gave in to Brussels' demands. Redrafting the UN resolution, signing an agreement allowing EULEX to take over UNMIK and this meaningless dialogue has all been one giant waste of time and money. Chances are the EU is doing this because after Croatia, the EU wants to 'close the books' and not allow any more countries in. In fact, Austria has openly said that is what should happen. And you know, it takes all members to agree on membership.
That's okay because as I've said before, Serbia's primary foreign policy objectives need to be membership into the Eurasian Union and CSTO, as well as deepening the political, economic and military relations with Israel. Republika Srpska has already done that, and done it well. As has Greece and Cyprus. It is time for Serbia to follow suit and invite Israel's further engagement in the Balkans.
It sounds like Ivica doesn't feel like doing any of the heavy lifting.
Heck, why not leave the mess to the next generation.
It's easiest to go out there and make a few 'relevant' statements and then back out and blame the West.
In a nutshell, why I just wrote above summarizes Serbian foreign policy.
It's nothing new and it's here to stay.
Think the remedy against schizophrenic policies has finally hit home. How long will the Serb majority tolerate this en mass manipulation and delusional day to day politics. sitting like lame ducks in the fog hoping to get Kosovo back.
yes Bob, except, 1244 is dead. name me one thing that UNMIK decides in kosova today? nothing. all legal documents are issued by the Kosova authorities. serbia can have this delusion that the UN is calling the shots if it pleases voters in Novi Sad or Nis, but come to Prishtina and see a different reality
I agree with the anthropologist. Serbia has more chance of breaking the 'Kosova' project by not allowing a split in the North and by putting in lots of autonomy for Serbs in other areas.
Serbia should maintain its ownership, but cooperate with Pristina on the basis that it is an approved 'autonomous' entity under the terms of 1244.
Pristina will then be the ones in a huff, because being told that they must cooperate with Serbia as if they were merely an autonomous entity within Serbia is likely to make them feel a bit ill.
Tolerate the EU, tolerate 'Kosova', but play the long game. There's plenty to happen yet.
It's interesting to note that EC report states that "there are no legal obstacles to start talks on EU integration with Kosovo".
Really?! What about UN Resolution 1244?!
Does this means that EU will stop abiding by the UN Resolutions?
Also, five member states of EU DIDN'T recognize Kosovo independence and fully support territorial integrity and sovereignty of Serbia. Will EU go against the will of its five members?
No legal obstacles, indeed...
"The formulation about Kosovo's "territorial integrity" does not prejudge its status, the EU official said, but rather shows that the the EC was against its partition. "
Why only to show what EC is against? Is their desire only thing that matters?
How about to change the text to state that both Kosovo's and Serbia's territorial integrity is to be respected, if for no other reason to show that Serbia is against its partition?
This could be acceptable to all.
Kosovo and countries that see Kosovo as independent state could interpret this as that there is no territorial aspirations between Kosovo and Serbia (North of Kosovo and Presevo Valley).
Serbia and countries that see Kosovo as part of Serbia could interpret it as confirmation of Serbia's territorial integrity and would sign too.
Status quo. We move on.
But, eventually, they will want us to recognize Kosovo or give up EU.
Personally, I would give up EU, but this would be up to the people of Serbia to decide.
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