"Talks only way to Kosovo solution, Russia ready to assist"

There isn't an issue with Kosovo, it is Serbia which has the issue; not Kosovo.

Is this Aleksandr Torshin having a laugh?

I'm sure Torshin would have a massive fit/ spasm if the US said "Talks between Tbilisi and Tskhinvali are the only way to settle the South Ossetia issue, and the USA is willing to assist in the process".

I think someone should remind Aleksandr Torshin that he can't even enter Kosovo unless he has a Kosovan Visa in his Russian Passport.

The sensible thing for Serbia to do would be to recognise Kosovo's independence South of the Ibar river and demand Autonomy for the Serbian Orthodox Church in Kosovo (to a similar level to the Greek Orthodox Church on Mount Athos, meaning that the SPC can be self governing in Kosovo) in return for Serbia's recognition of Kosovo (South of Ibar River).

Everybody looses and everybody wins!

yes sj, the Albanians are also calling to return back to the wonderful domain that was Serbia's rule :-)

I think someone should remind Aleksandr Torshin that he can't even enter Kosovo unless he has a Kosovan Visa in his Russian Passport.
========================================

Give it time. Russia will go there and there is nothing your brethren will be able to do about it.

Around and around it goes in a never ending circle with no final resolution or results only leading into more endless talks and conferences until the cracks start to appear in Pristina. The Albanians have only now started to demonstrate against their leadership with calls of “thieves and bandits” you have enriched yourselves but we are left to starve”.
Wait as the recession bites deeper.

"The sensible thing for Serbia to do would be to recognise Kosovo's independence South of the Ibar river and demand Autonomy for the Serbian Orthodox Church in Kosovo (to a similar level to the Greek Orthodox Church on Mount Athos, meaning that the SPC can be self governing in Kosovo) in return for Serbia's recognition of Kosovo (South of Ibar River).

Everybody looses and everybody wins!
(Ian, UK, 9 October 2012 13:10)

100% agree, but you forgot to mention the North of Kosovo that will stay within Serbia.

Kosovo is ready to help Russia in talks with Georgia.

To Ian {U K}Hey mate good thought{?}the U K should give the Falklands back to Argentina and let the brits live there?Oh yes maybe give back north Ireland too!What do think of that matey?

I think someone should remind Aleksandr Torshin that he can't even enter Kosovo unless he has a Kosovan Visa in his Russian Passport. Ian, UK
Ian, what a petty little statement. Is that what is important to you, and entry visa into a place most of the world does not recognize? Does that little passport really make KiM an independent Albanian country? Get honest with yourself, it has been 13 years now since the NATO bombs stopped falling on the former Yug., and I see very little progress in the standard of living for the average person living in KiM. Taking someone else's land is not quite as easy as some thought, is it, Ian?

What did the International Court of Justice said at Serbia's request when it comes to Kosovo independence....?

Ian, what a petty little statement. Is that what is important to you, and entry visa into a place most of the world does not recognize? Does that little passport really make KiM an independent Albanian country? Get honest with yourself, it has been 13 years now since the NATO bombs stopped falling on the former Yug., and I see very little progress in the standard of living for the average person living in KiM. Taking someone else's land is not quite as easy as some thought, is it, Ian?
(ecoman, 9 October 2012 15:00)

Of course having a passport doesn't make Kosovo an independent country, having a passport is just one of many things which makes Kosovo an independent country.
You say you've seen little progress in the standards of living in Kosovo but the GDP (nominal) per capital in 2011 was just over $3500 compared $1500 in 2007. And unemployment has fallen from 60% in 2007 to 40% today. I call that a pretty good start. And yes "most of the world" doesn't recognise Kosovo, but will be able to say that in a years time?


----------

100% agree, but you forgot to mention the North of Kosovo that will stay within Serbia.
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 October 2012 15:22)

Well I thought that went without saying tbf, but that is obviously what I meant.


---------

Give it time. Russia will go there and there is nothing your brethren will be able to do about it.
(Peggy, 9 October 2012 14:38)

Is that going to be in 500 years when Serbia is meant to get Kosovo back?

Is that going to be in 500 years when Serbia is meant to get Kosovo back?
(Ian, UK, 9 October 2012 16:00)

You know we're stubborn people, right? And with all of the nice provisions already given to us to keep and establish a number of footholds in a territory some keep saying is a sovereign state, coupled with what we'll undoubtedly be offered in additional concessions in order to establish "good neighborly relations" without actually having to recognize it, I'd say the next 500 years or so of us waiting to get it back will be exponentially easier than when we allegedly lost it the first time in 1389 :)

Russia only interested, make conflict between Serbia and Kosova.
Pasha in Kreml only interested, "divide and rule".
Serbian people too naive.
(Adem, 9 October 2012 17:52)

Adem bad engleesh rite.
No good thing to say.
Albanian people not want peace.

To Ian {U K}Hey mate good thought{?}the U K should give the Falklands back to Argentina and let the brits live there?Oh yes maybe give back north Ireland too!What do think of that matey?
(Pete K., 9 October 2012 14:13)

Well here is what I think.

I fully support the Unification of Ireland and I would have no problem with the Falkland Islands becoming apart of Argentina if that is what the Falkland Islanders want. They're having a referendum next March where the Falkland Islanders will be asked whether they support the continuation of British sovereignty over the Islands or wish to become part of Argentina. I will fully respect the will of the Falkland Islanders, they alone should decide their own future. Let the people it concerns decide.

We saw that Northern Kosovo had a referendum in February and that clearly shows that Northern Kosovo doesn't want to be apart of the Republic of Kosovo and they reject it's institions, that is one of the reasons why I think Serbia should recognise the independence of Kosovo south of the Ibar river.

Let the people it concerns decide!

Respect the will of the people!

I think someone should remind Aleksandr Torshin that he can't even enter Kosovo unless he has a Kosovan Visa in his Russian Passport.
(Ian, UK, 9 October 2012 13:10)

Visas aren't needed for international protectorates. I'm sure he notified EULEX of his trip, which is proper protocol when alerting the real authorities in that part of Kosovo*. I doubt KFOR, UNMIK, and the dozens of other NGOs and IGOs working in Kosovo* have bothered to apply for visas, let along present their passports as anything more than identification.

What did the International Court of Justice said at Serbia's request when it comes to Kosovo independence....?
(EA, 9 October 2012 15:40)

Declaring independence is not contrary to international law because there is no established law prohibiting that. The ICJ however said nothing about the legality of Kosovo's independence. Hence the reason why that "wave" of recongnitions Albanians were expecting to get never happened and Kosovo* remains an international protectorate for the indefinite future.

Russia only interested, make conflict between Serbia and Kosova.
Pasha in Kreml only interested, "divide and rule".
Serbian people too naive.

I'm not optimistic that it is possible to reach an agreement favorable to Serbia .. Russian support for Serbia is required. We are grateful to Russia for that. With the help of Russia, we may be able to make a change for the better. The results will be seen soon.

Kosovo is ready to help Russia in talks with Georgia.
(Avni, 9 October 2012 19:31)
======================================
Joke of the year.

The Albanians have only now started to demonstrate against their leadership with calls of “thieves and bandits”

I consider these as mildly chosen words, for some of the Kosovo ministers :)

Around and around it goes in a never ending circle with no final resolution or results only leading into more endless talks and conferences until the cracks start to appear in Pristina. The Albanians have only now started to demonstrate against their leadership with calls of “thieves and bandits” you have enriched yourselves but we are left to starve”.
Wait as the recession bites deeper.
(sj, 9 October 2012 12:54)
They have probably been inspired on Serbia's recent crackdown on corruption. I am sure they are thinking that if Serbs can do it they can do it in Kosovo also. Maybe one day the balkans will have decent honest leadership but that is probably years down the road.
I think that Serbian response is actually more corruption than clean up though, a way to put as much of the opposition out of the picture, similar to Russian response to opposition. Accuse and convict of corruption to squash any support they have.

Kosovo is not Chechen!
Here is called Europe moj druzja!

Collective Security Treaty Organization...

Now there is a good organization for Serbia to join, a nice insurance plan against any NATO aggression.

"Declaring independence is not contrary to international law because there is no established law prohibiting that. The ICJ however said nothing about the legality of Kosovo's independence. "
(Balkan Anthropologist, 9 October 2012 16:56)

Short explanation for a complicated ruling, which many people still don't understand, obviously.

Maybe to add that in the specific case of Kosovo, the UDI was not against UN1244 only because it was released by a group of people who called themselves 'representatives of the people of Kosovo', and not by officials of the (then) Kosovo Albanian self government (who would have violated UN1244 by doing such a thing).

I'm sure Torshin would have a massive fit/ spasm if the US said "Talks between Tbilisi and Tskhinvali are the only way to settle the South Ossetia issue, and the USA is willing to assist in the process".
(Ian)

The US says such things.

Visas aren't needed for international protectorates. I'm sure he notified EULEX of his trip, which is proper protocol when alerting the real authorities in that part of Kosovo*. I doubt KFOR, UNMIK, and the dozens of other NGOs and IGOs working in Kosovo* have bothered to apply for visas, let along present their passports as anything more than identification.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 9 October 2012 16:56)

That may be so, but Aleksandr Torshin isn't an "international protectorate", he is the Deputy Chairman of the Upper House of the Federation Council visiting for Cultural and Heritage purposes. EULEX isn't the proper authority for consulting when travelling to Kosovo as it is only a policing and judicial mission, which works alongside Kosovo's police and judiciary. Anyway the EULEX mission is set to expire in 2014, unless the Kosovo Assembly agrees to an extension; which I doubt it will. EULEX has to consult with Kosovo Assembly before allowing someone to visit Kosovo, who have applied via EULEX; that is why some Serbian politicians get denied entry. Aleksandr Torshin will have been granted permission to visit Kosovo as he has been in contact with the Kosovo Assembly regarding renovating Churches and Monasteries in Kosovo and the Kosovo Assembly has agreed with this.

And I take that back about him having to have a Kosovan visa as Torshin will be travelling on a Diplomatic Passport and the visa requirements are different for Diplomatic and Civilian passports.

I doubt KFOR, UNMIK, and the dozens of other NGOs and IGOs working in Kosovo* have bothered to apply for visas, let along present their passports as anything more than identification.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 9 October 2012 16:56)

When did they all become Russian citizens? No one told me. Visa requirements were enacted for Russian citizens, to my knowledge there are no Russian Kfor, or EULEX, there may still be one Russian UNMIK, I am not for sure. But they would be excepted. Not a really good statement to try to make a point.

Russia only interested, make conflict between Serbia and Kosova.
Pasha in Kreml only interested, "divide and rule".
Serbian people too naive.
(Adem, 9 October 2012 17:52)

Nasty Russians. Only the Pasha in Washington is interested in the good welfare of the Blakans. Yes Serbs naïve, they should push away the people who help them and turn to the ones who bombed them.

Me thinks you have too much rakija.

(Nikolle, 9 October 2012 14:15)

No not at all. But its your Albanians who were demonstrating on Monday not Serbs and it was your Albanians who were yelling “thieves who enriched themsleves while we starve”.

I watched Ivo Senader interviewed on HTV about corruption in Croatia he said Jadranko Kosor was in charge when he was PM and if anyone should be blamed for the corruption it’s her, he went on to say “we never had this level of corruption in the past”. The interviewer then asked “does that mean during the former Yugoslavia?
Senader stated yes – “it was better then than now”.

Your all going to wish it was back to the future.

Declaring independence is not contrary to international law because there is no established law prohibiting that.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 9 October 2012 16:56)

Nice theory you made up, because the ICJ never said the sentence above.

is there any way that i can go and visit Russia with passport of Kosovo?? i dont know if that is possible,does anyone know any thing about it,because i can't get passport of Serbia,so i am very interested how can i go in Russia in other way ??..

Around and around it goes in a never ending circle with no final resolution or results only leading into more endless talks and conferences until the cracks start to appear in Pristina. The Albanians have only now started to demonstrate against their leadership with calls of “thieves and bandits” you have enriched yourselves but we are left to starve”.
Wait as the recession bites deeper.

There isn't an issue with Kosovo, it is Serbia which has the issue; not Kosovo.

Is this Aleksandr Torshin having a laugh?

I'm sure Torshin would have a massive fit/ spasm if the US said "Talks between Tbilisi and Tskhinvali are the only way to settle the South Ossetia issue, and the USA is willing to assist in the process".

I think someone should remind Aleksandr Torshin that he can't even enter Kosovo unless he has a Kosovan Visa in his Russian Passport.

The sensible thing for Serbia to do would be to recognise Kosovo's independence South of the Ibar river and demand Autonomy for the Serbian Orthodox Church in Kosovo (to a similar level to the Greek Orthodox Church on Mount Athos, meaning that the SPC can be self governing in Kosovo) in return for Serbia's recognition of Kosovo (South of Ibar River).

Everybody looses and everybody wins!

The Albanians have only now started to demonstrate against their leadership with calls of “thieves and bandits”

I consider these as mildly chosen words, for some of the Kosovo ministers :)

To Ian {U K}Hey mate good thought{?}the U K should give the Falklands back to Argentina and let the brits live there?Oh yes maybe give back north Ireland too!What do think of that matey?

Ian, what a petty little statement. Is that what is important to you, and entry visa into a place most of the world does not recognize? Does that little passport really make KiM an independent Albanian country? Get honest with yourself, it has been 13 years now since the NATO bombs stopped falling on the former Yug., and I see very little progress in the standard of living for the average person living in KiM. Taking someone else's land is not quite as easy as some thought, is it, Ian?
(ecoman, 9 October 2012 15:00)

Of course having a passport doesn't make Kosovo an independent country, having a passport is just one of many things which makes Kosovo an independent country.
You say you've seen little progress in the standards of living in Kosovo but the GDP (nominal) per capital in 2011 was just over $3500 compared $1500 in 2007. And unemployment has fallen from 60% in 2007 to 40% today. I call that a pretty good start. And yes "most of the world" doesn't recognise Kosovo, but will be able to say that in a years time?


----------

100% agree, but you forgot to mention the North of Kosovo that will stay within Serbia.
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 October 2012 15:22)

Well I thought that went without saying tbf, but that is obviously what I meant.


---------

Give it time. Russia will go there and there is nothing your brethren will be able to do about it.
(Peggy, 9 October 2012 14:38)

Is that going to be in 500 years when Serbia is meant to get Kosovo back?

Russia only interested, make conflict between Serbia and Kosova.
Pasha in Kreml only interested, "divide and rule".
Serbian people too naive.

To Ian {U K}Hey mate good thought{?}the U K should give the Falklands back to Argentina and let the brits live there?Oh yes maybe give back north Ireland too!What do think of that matey?
(Pete K., 9 October 2012 14:13)

Well here is what I think.

I fully support the Unification of Ireland and I would have no problem with the Falkland Islands becoming apart of Argentina if that is what the Falkland Islanders want. They're having a referendum next March where the Falkland Islanders will be asked whether they support the continuation of British sovereignty over the Islands or wish to become part of Argentina. I will fully respect the will of the Falkland Islanders, they alone should decide their own future. Let the people it concerns decide.

We saw that Northern Kosovo had a referendum in February and that clearly shows that Northern Kosovo doesn't want to be apart of the Republic of Kosovo and they reject it's institions, that is one of the reasons why I think Serbia should recognise the independence of Kosovo south of the Ibar river.

Let the people it concerns decide!

Respect the will of the people!

What did the International Court of Justice said at Serbia's request when it comes to Kosovo independence....?

Kosovo is ready to help Russia in talks with Georgia.
(Avni, 9 October 2012 19:31)
======================================
Joke of the year.

yes sj, the Albanians are also calling to return back to the wonderful domain that was Serbia's rule :-)

I think someone should remind Aleksandr Torshin that he can't even enter Kosovo unless he has a Kosovan Visa in his Russian Passport.
========================================

Give it time. Russia will go there and there is nothing your brethren will be able to do about it.

Around and around it goes in a never ending circle with no final resolution or results only leading into more endless talks and conferences until the cracks start to appear in Pristina. The Albanians have only now started to demonstrate against their leadership with calls of “thieves and bandits” you have enriched yourselves but we are left to starve”.
Wait as the recession bites deeper.
(sj, 9 October 2012 12:54)
They have probably been inspired on Serbia's recent crackdown on corruption. I am sure they are thinking that if Serbs can do it they can do it in Kosovo also. Maybe one day the balkans will have decent honest leadership but that is probably years down the road.
I think that Serbian response is actually more corruption than clean up though, a way to put as much of the opposition out of the picture, similar to Russian response to opposition. Accuse and convict of corruption to squash any support they have.

I think someone should remind Aleksandr Torshin that he can't even enter Kosovo unless he has a Kosovan Visa in his Russian Passport. Ian, UK
Ian, what a petty little statement. Is that what is important to you, and entry visa into a place most of the world does not recognize? Does that little passport really make KiM an independent Albanian country? Get honest with yourself, it has been 13 years now since the NATO bombs stopped falling on the former Yug., and I see very little progress in the standard of living for the average person living in KiM. Taking someone else's land is not quite as easy as some thought, is it, Ian?

"The sensible thing for Serbia to do would be to recognise Kosovo's independence South of the Ibar river and demand Autonomy for the Serbian Orthodox Church in Kosovo (to a similar level to the Greek Orthodox Church on Mount Athos, meaning that the SPC can be self governing in Kosovo) in return for Serbia's recognition of Kosovo (South of Ibar River).

Everybody looses and everybody wins!
(Ian, UK, 9 October 2012 13:10)

100% agree, but you forgot to mention the North of Kosovo that will stay within Serbia.

Russia only interested, make conflict between Serbia and Kosova.
Pasha in Kreml only interested, "divide and rule".
Serbian people too naive.
(Adem, 9 October 2012 17:52)

Adem bad engleesh rite.
No good thing to say.
Albanian people not want peace.

Visas aren't needed for international protectorates. I'm sure he notified EULEX of his trip, which is proper protocol when alerting the real authorities in that part of Kosovo*. I doubt KFOR, UNMIK, and the dozens of other NGOs and IGOs working in Kosovo* have bothered to apply for visas, let along present their passports as anything more than identification.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 9 October 2012 16:56)

That may be so, but Aleksandr Torshin isn't an "international protectorate", he is the Deputy Chairman of the Upper House of the Federation Council visiting for Cultural and Heritage purposes. EULEX isn't the proper authority for consulting when travelling to Kosovo as it is only a policing and judicial mission, which works alongside Kosovo's police and judiciary. Anyway the EULEX mission is set to expire in 2014, unless the Kosovo Assembly agrees to an extension; which I doubt it will. EULEX has to consult with Kosovo Assembly before allowing someone to visit Kosovo, who have applied via EULEX; that is why some Serbian politicians get denied entry. Aleksandr Torshin will have been granted permission to visit Kosovo as he has been in contact with the Kosovo Assembly regarding renovating Churches and Monasteries in Kosovo and the Kosovo Assembly has agreed with this.

And I take that back about him having to have a Kosovan visa as Torshin will be travelling on a Diplomatic Passport and the visa requirements are different for Diplomatic and Civilian passports.

I think someone should remind Aleksandr Torshin that he can't even enter Kosovo unless he has a Kosovan Visa in his Russian Passport.
(Ian, UK, 9 October 2012 13:10)

Visas aren't needed for international protectorates. I'm sure he notified EULEX of his trip, which is proper protocol when alerting the real authorities in that part of Kosovo*. I doubt KFOR, UNMIK, and the dozens of other NGOs and IGOs working in Kosovo* have bothered to apply for visas, let along present their passports as anything more than identification.

What did the International Court of Justice said at Serbia's request when it comes to Kosovo independence....?
(EA, 9 October 2012 15:40)

Declaring independence is not contrary to international law because there is no established law prohibiting that. The ICJ however said nothing about the legality of Kosovo's independence. Hence the reason why that "wave" of recongnitions Albanians were expecting to get never happened and Kosovo* remains an international protectorate for the indefinite future.

Kosovo is ready to help Russia in talks with Georgia.

Is that going to be in 500 years when Serbia is meant to get Kosovo back?
(Ian, UK, 9 October 2012 16:00)

You know we're stubborn people, right? And with all of the nice provisions already given to us to keep and establish a number of footholds in a territory some keep saying is a sovereign state, coupled with what we'll undoubtedly be offered in additional concessions in order to establish "good neighborly relations" without actually having to recognize it, I'd say the next 500 years or so of us waiting to get it back will be exponentially easier than when we allegedly lost it the first time in 1389 :)

Kosovo is not Chechen!
Here is called Europe moj druzja!

I'm sure Torshin would have a massive fit/ spasm if the US said "Talks between Tbilisi and Tskhinvali are the only way to settle the South Ossetia issue, and the USA is willing to assist in the process".
(Ian)

The US says such things.

Collective Security Treaty Organization...

Now there is a good organization for Serbia to join, a nice insurance plan against any NATO aggression.

I'm not optimistic that it is possible to reach an agreement favorable to Serbia .. Russian support for Serbia is required. We are grateful to Russia for that. With the help of Russia, we may be able to make a change for the better. The results will be seen soon.

Russia only interested, make conflict between Serbia and Kosova.
Pasha in Kreml only interested, "divide and rule".
Serbian people too naive.
(Adem, 9 October 2012 17:52)

Nasty Russians. Only the Pasha in Washington is interested in the good welfare of the Blakans. Yes Serbs naïve, they should push away the people who help them and turn to the ones who bombed them.

Me thinks you have too much rakija.

"Declaring independence is not contrary to international law because there is no established law prohibiting that. The ICJ however said nothing about the legality of Kosovo's independence. "
(Balkan Anthropologist, 9 October 2012 16:56)

Short explanation for a complicated ruling, which many people still don't understand, obviously.

Maybe to add that in the specific case of Kosovo, the UDI was not against UN1244 only because it was released by a group of people who called themselves 'representatives of the people of Kosovo', and not by officials of the (then) Kosovo Albanian self government (who would have violated UN1244 by doing such a thing).

(Nikolle, 9 October 2012 14:15)

No not at all. But its your Albanians who were demonstrating on Monday not Serbs and it was your Albanians who were yelling “thieves who enriched themsleves while we starve”.

I watched Ivo Senader interviewed on HTV about corruption in Croatia he said Jadranko Kosor was in charge when he was PM and if anyone should be blamed for the corruption it’s her, he went on to say “we never had this level of corruption in the past”. The interviewer then asked “does that mean during the former Yugoslavia?
Senader stated yes – “it was better then than now”.

Your all going to wish it was back to the future.

I doubt KFOR, UNMIK, and the dozens of other NGOs and IGOs working in Kosovo* have bothered to apply for visas, let along present their passports as anything more than identification.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 9 October 2012 16:56)

When did they all become Russian citizens? No one told me. Visa requirements were enacted for Russian citizens, to my knowledge there are no Russian Kfor, or EULEX, there may still be one Russian UNMIK, I am not for sure. But they would be excepted. Not a really good statement to try to make a point.

Declaring independence is not contrary to international law because there is no established law prohibiting that.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 9 October 2012 16:56)

Nice theory you made up, because the ICJ never said the sentence above.

is there any way that i can go and visit Russia with passport of Kosovo?? i dont know if that is possible,does anyone know any thing about it,because i can't get passport of Serbia,so i am very interested how can i go in Russia in other way ??..