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Friday, 05.10.2012.

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RS will be independent, president claims

Republic of Srpska (RS) President Milorad Dodik has stated that the RS is the only self-sustainable community in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

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Jovan

pre 11 godina

"icj" wrote:

"Why?! the status of Kosovo as described in its DI is in accordance with 1244 (thanks to Vuk who worked tirelessly to clarify that). Anyway, if you feel otherwise, feel free to change UNSCR 1244 to make the Kosovo's DI illegal.
(icj1, 6 October 2012 23:27)"

is it possible that this kid, icj, doesn´t learn at all? I mean, is it a mental state of extreme ignorance or what? not only have I personally shown him where to look for the facts, when he denied that UNSC 1244 speaks in favour of Serbia´s territorial integrity, no he just stayed quiet afterwards in that regard!

and now he just comes up again with this nonsense, although he´s been shown that it is absolutely false what he is claiming here.

therefore dear icj, you should really think it over, perhaps stop reading those yellow-papers in downtown-Priština, and just educate yourself.

otherwise you make a complete fool of yourself, really. ...but in the end, this would not be much of a surprise in regard to the K-albanians in here...

Bosnjak Guy

pre 11 godina

Continuing...

Politicians on all sides are to blame, and so are those who keep holding onto nationalist judgement.

As a unified Balkan economic power we can buy out the investors and keep 100% profit back to our nations.

We need an economic zone first and agree with EU on Croatia EU standards vis-a-vis the proposed Balkan economic zone.

Otherwise it will have to be just Serbia, Albania Montenegro, Macedonia, Kosovo and Bosnia. Croatia may miss out.

We can then have companies operating accross all countries exporting more meat, dairy, vegetables etc to places like the Middle East who are importing from Western Europe even though the prices are higher and the quality of food is inferior.

The point again is - Why must we people from the Balkans fight over popcorn ignorning that as a result we are losing a lot financially to outside powers.

This is a shame.

Regards,

Bosnjak guy.

Equality for Serbs and Bosnjaks - opinion of a Bosnjak

pre 11 godina

LAND SWAP. RS independent or to Serbia.

At the same time Sandjak independent or to Bosnia.

Fair swap, also must involve equatable property/land sales if people want to move and guarantees from each respective country there will be no state violence against minorities, as seen in the 90's wars.

This can be achieved peacefully but it must be fair.

In any form of diplomacy you must always look to engineer win-win situations.

If without finding agreement the RS decides to just go, then there will definitely be a war which will take another 20 years to recover from, ruling all progress up to this point obsolete.

The best solution would be for all of the countries in the Balkans to work together to establish an economic zone and then pool our strengths together to compete internationally.

This will then create an opportunity for a possible re-assimilation between the countries of the Balkans, but it will take time and effort.

It is in the best interest of all the people in the Balkans to work towards that goal as currently RS has 2 billion of foreign investment, this means it has to repay this 2 billion with additional percentages to the foreign investors meaning they will lose money compared to if they were able to pool money together domestically.

I understand Dodik wanting to save money on military spending and not being pro NATO, given world uncertainties, BUT we are all fighting over popcorn not realising that we are not seeing the beef steak ahead.

Will continue

icj1

pre 11 godina

If you want to change the status of Kosovo change UNSC 1244!
(Ron, 5 October 2012 17:24)

Why?! the status of Kosovo as described in its DI is in accordance with 1244 (thanks to Vuk who worked tirelessly to clarify that). Anyway, if you feel otherwise, feel free to change UNSCR 1244 to make the Kosovo's DI illegal.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

This is just populist talk.

Dodik doesn't want independence for RS anymore than Serbia wants it, in reality.

Dodik would rather be the kink of a small mountain than an insignificant prince of a larger one.

Ron

pre 11 godina

And why shouldn't it be granted to them? If Bosnia could leave Jugoslavia why can't RS leave Bosnia?

Well, MikeC, because Bosnia was a YU republic while RS is a Bosnian entity.
Of course this also goes for Kosovo.
Rules apply to all or none. So if we say yes to Kosovo we cannot say no to RS.

Good luck everyone there in Bosnia!

MikeC

pre 11 godina

Renko

The US is working to change the constitution in the croat-muslim federation and not RS. Sorry to say but an overwhelming majority of Serbs in Bosnia want independence. And why shouldn't it be granted to them? If Bosnia could leave Jugoslavia why can't RS leave Bosnia? Everyone should gain freedom except the serbs. That's not fair and the international community knows it. Sooner or later Bosnia will split. Peacefully or through another war. However, now that Bosnia is demilitarized and don't have any heavy weapons a war is pretty much not an option. Muslims wanted out, now serbs want out. Bosnia could have stayed as part of Jugoslavia with wide autonomy. Bosnjaks wanted all but will have to settle with a little more then nothing.

Johnny cheesecake

pre 11 godina

I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night.
(Bam Bam, 5 October 2012 13:17)

You spend that much money on hot dogs and cheap beer? You're either being taken for a ride, or you have an eating disorder like lots of other racist American rednecks.
(Pebbles, 5 October 2012 21:13)

He ain't no American redneck, he is a Croat redneck born and schooled in the UK, which would make him einen Karotte Cruncher, Yokel, Despoiler von genannt wird, bestellte Urinal, alten Junge, Fenntiger oder Pikey voraus..
Undershtund??

Hank the Tank

pre 11 godina

"If and when some act of de jure independence does occur, the international community may be forced reluctantly to accept it. Short of military intervention, there is little it will be able to do. Russia would veto UN sanctions"
http://old.balkaninsight.com/en/main/comment/23797/

Pebbles

pre 11 godina

I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night.
(Bam Bam, 5 October 2012 13:17)

You spend that much money on hot dogs and cheap beer? You're either being taken for a ride, or you have an eating disorder like lots of other racist American rednecks.

Renko

pre 11 godina

Nice to hear that the USA is going to change the Bosnian constitution. Judging by the racist leadership in Banja Luka, it cannot come too soon.
Just a question of getting the key assets out of the hands of the "fat man" (Visegrad, Srebrenica, Kozarac etc).
Best of all would be the overthrow of the Fat Man in BL as well as the nationalist Bosniak leadership too. If Uncle Sam could support a pluralist new party with a billion or so dollars, then so much the better.
Long live Bosnia

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

“Kosovo has received limited support so they do not need a seat in the UN. Neither do we! I think that many things have changed since we first time mentioned the idea,” Dodik said.

Now Dodo is competing with Thaci regarding the illusion of independence and a working sustainable state. Amazing.

Lenard

pre 11 godina

Dodik just more hot air and fantasy's of wish lists yore neighbours know what you are. Yore big mouth speaks for it self when it dose not have a big buffoon foot in it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milorad_Dodik .

Jovan

pre 11 godina

just like Ari Gold said it, I too believe that "Hans" is just another "despered" K-albanian, who would like to read such a king-kong-statement in favour of the K-albanians, but reality checked, there is not much the Albanians can be happy of.

the US are losing grip in the "balkans", the Russians, Turkey and as I just learned lately Israel is also coming forward offering substantial help to Greece and making first contacts with Romania, Bulgaria and Serbia as well.

the bottom-line is: whatever you K-albanians are barking about, you´ll be the losers in the end. again.

and Serbia will prevail.

ps: I read today that after Nigeria, Oman and Guinea-Bisao, now also Mali is coming forward, with a dementi in regard to the alleged "recognition" of your little freak-creation... what´s wrong with your "government", if they are forced to lie even about "recognitions"? =)

well, in the end, it doesn´t matter actually.

wish you a nice weekend in southern Serbia, my k-albanian friends... =)

Naim

pre 11 godina

Through the genocide, ethnic cleansing, murdering of elderly and youngs to the independent. wow well done RS

but you will never see that in reality ...ask EU/US/west to support that idea and they will give you good answer..

Michael

pre 11 godina

Possibly the actual map of the Balkan is only for a time being. Kosovo and Albania will go together ad possibly Serbia with RS? The EU will not have another Cyprus what means two Albanias and two Bosnian states (or two Serbian states). You see that the Cyprus-issue is so difficult, how can expect that the Balkan-issues are easy to handle. And due to the great word of Serb deputy PM the date for the talks is not important what her boss the PM and the president are seeing not so. Its all not so important, important is only what third-class German MPs are saying. But it could come also to another solution for RS, lie for Kosovo where the last Serbs will leave the country. And the Muslims and Croats are taking over RS. If the Serbian policy is further on so weak it could happen.

Fat Johnny

pre 11 godina

RS may have many investors, but just like China when you pay your people peanuts whats the point of investment. The average Serb earns $300 a month. I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night.
(Bam Bam, 5 October 2012 13:17)

It's easy for you Croats to be spending gourmets in a boom boom tourist economy. Unlike your poor coastal neighbors, you get to feast on all the foreign cheeses and, as Dylan once said, read books,repeat quotations and
draw conclusions on the wall.

Ron

pre 11 godina

both the European and American partners have stated outright that borders in the Balkans will not change. Make sure you coordinate your activities before you are embargoed by all surrounding countries.

Sincerely,
(KOSO, 5 October 2012 15:44)

So why that should be different for the Serbian province of Kosovo?
No double standards. Mind that not EU or US decide on issues like these but the UN does!
If you want to change the status of Kosovo change UNSC 1244!

Greetings from a real state (not a province!) inside EU!

KOSO

pre 11 godina

“Kosovo has received limited support so they do not need a seat in the UN."

Thank you, we've said this all along; but we still hold out that one day we too will be welcomed in the UN family.

As far your aspirations of independence I wish you the best luck. Although, I must add that both the European and American partners have stated outright that borders in the Balkans will not change. Make sure you coordinate your activities before you are embargoed by all surrounding countries.

Sincerely,

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

The west will never accept the independence of the RS and has the military capacity to prevent any such step.
(Hans, 5 October 2012 11:21)

Of course they do. Isn't it a shame that Serbs could take on the entire ex-Yugoslavia in an open conflict, but obviously is no match for this foreign military alliance who dumped bombs over Serbia.

Thing is will they? It seems things have changed because I guess what one would ask is, what are they waiting for? Dodik has been making these statements for quite a while now. You know what the EU did when Dodik discussed the idea of a referendum? They flew the useless Catherine Ashton to Banja Luka for a state meeting with Dodik and she didn't even visit Sarajevo during that trip.

Do they have capacity? Of course. They have the capacity to level the entire Balkans and pretend as if none of our people even exist. But reality is they are not doing that.

So keep dreaming "Hans" (most likely a nickname for Hashim or Hassan)

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Love him or hate him, he's a perfect reflection of the horrid state of affairs in Bosnia. Considering RS has been quietly doing to Bosnia what Slovenia did to SFRJ over the past 20 years, I don't hold out much hope for Bosnia's future beyond a drastically confederalized entity.

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 11 godina

Bam Bam, 5 October 2012 13:17 said;
"The average Serb earns $300 a month. I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night".

I really do fail to see the relavance of your comment. Or did you come on here to brag about the disposable income you have in another continent to make you feel better about yourself or more superior?.

The standard of living is far better in RS than in BH (or it was when I worked there a couple of years ago). By all accounts it is improving all the time in the RS. However. the same cannot be said of neighbouring BH.

I fully expect to eventually see an independant RS which is self suficient and not reliant on mega loans from ECBD and other donating partners. This will take time as like the rest of the balkans it will time to recover from the disastrous effects of the 1990's and early 2000's.

It would be beneficil for all former Yugoslavia states to be successful and cooperate economically.However, I can see maybe 4 of them doing so. Unfortunately BH will not be there with them as the mentality to succeed is just not a part of the culture.

So I wish Mr. Dodik a great success in taking his current mandate to bear greater fruits in the future.

Teslavio

pre 11 godina

The west will never accept the independence of the RS and has the military capacity to prevent any such step. (Hans, 05. oktobar 2012 11:21)Who cares if the west accepts it when the majority of the world accepts it, and they will after the Brics.

Deliverence

pre 11 godina

Hans

yet again you spout such drivel. Who are you in the west to say that RS can't be independent from the rest of Bosnia??

You can't have one rule of standards for one ethnicity and then refuse the same rule of standards for another. That clearly shows me that you and your friends are ANTI Serbian, you lot still got the hump for getting clobbered twice by us. Maybe you need lesson number three and I guarantee that Deucthland on it's own would get clobbered again. Keep your big German nose out of our affairs and we will just ignore you people. Independence for RS!! Partition for Germany independence for Bavaria!! Independence for Prussia!! Freedom for Saxony!!! OH YEEEEAH!!

Bam Bam

pre 11 godina

RS may have many investors, but just like China when you pay your people peanuts whats the point of investment. The average Serb earns $300 a month. I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

The west will never accept the independence of the RS and has the military capacity to prevent any such step.
(Hans, 5 October 2012 11:21)
============================

Maybe, maybe not. The question is will they.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

The west will never accept the independence of the RS and has the military capacity to prevent any such step.
(Hans, 5 October 2012 11:21)
============================

Maybe, maybe not. The question is will they.

Teslavio

pre 11 godina

The west will never accept the independence of the RS and has the military capacity to prevent any such step. (Hans, 05. oktobar 2012 11:21)Who cares if the west accepts it when the majority of the world accepts it, and they will after the Brics.

Deliverence

pre 11 godina

Hans

yet again you spout such drivel. Who are you in the west to say that RS can't be independent from the rest of Bosnia??

You can't have one rule of standards for one ethnicity and then refuse the same rule of standards for another. That clearly shows me that you and your friends are ANTI Serbian, you lot still got the hump for getting clobbered twice by us. Maybe you need lesson number three and I guarantee that Deucthland on it's own would get clobbered again. Keep your big German nose out of our affairs and we will just ignore you people. Independence for RS!! Partition for Germany independence for Bavaria!! Independence for Prussia!! Freedom for Saxony!!! OH YEEEEAH!!

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

The west will never accept the independence of the RS and has the military capacity to prevent any such step.
(Hans, 5 October 2012 11:21)

Of course they do. Isn't it a shame that Serbs could take on the entire ex-Yugoslavia in an open conflict, but obviously is no match for this foreign military alliance who dumped bombs over Serbia.

Thing is will they? It seems things have changed because I guess what one would ask is, what are they waiting for? Dodik has been making these statements for quite a while now. You know what the EU did when Dodik discussed the idea of a referendum? They flew the useless Catherine Ashton to Banja Luka for a state meeting with Dodik and she didn't even visit Sarajevo during that trip.

Do they have capacity? Of course. They have the capacity to level the entire Balkans and pretend as if none of our people even exist. But reality is they are not doing that.

So keep dreaming "Hans" (most likely a nickname for Hashim or Hassan)

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Love him or hate him, he's a perfect reflection of the horrid state of affairs in Bosnia. Considering RS has been quietly doing to Bosnia what Slovenia did to SFRJ over the past 20 years, I don't hold out much hope for Bosnia's future beyond a drastically confederalized entity.

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 11 godina

Bam Bam, 5 October 2012 13:17 said;
"The average Serb earns $300 a month. I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night".

I really do fail to see the relavance of your comment. Or did you come on here to brag about the disposable income you have in another continent to make you feel better about yourself or more superior?.

The standard of living is far better in RS than in BH (or it was when I worked there a couple of years ago). By all accounts it is improving all the time in the RS. However. the same cannot be said of neighbouring BH.

I fully expect to eventually see an independant RS which is self suficient and not reliant on mega loans from ECBD and other donating partners. This will take time as like the rest of the balkans it will time to recover from the disastrous effects of the 1990's and early 2000's.

It would be beneficil for all former Yugoslavia states to be successful and cooperate economically.However, I can see maybe 4 of them doing so. Unfortunately BH will not be there with them as the mentality to succeed is just not a part of the culture.

So I wish Mr. Dodik a great success in taking his current mandate to bear greater fruits in the future.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

just like Ari Gold said it, I too believe that "Hans" is just another "despered" K-albanian, who would like to read such a king-kong-statement in favour of the K-albanians, but reality checked, there is not much the Albanians can be happy of.

the US are losing grip in the "balkans", the Russians, Turkey and as I just learned lately Israel is also coming forward offering substantial help to Greece and making first contacts with Romania, Bulgaria and Serbia as well.

the bottom-line is: whatever you K-albanians are barking about, you´ll be the losers in the end. again.

and Serbia will prevail.

ps: I read today that after Nigeria, Oman and Guinea-Bisao, now also Mali is coming forward, with a dementi in regard to the alleged "recognition" of your little freak-creation... what´s wrong with your "government", if they are forced to lie even about "recognitions"? =)

well, in the end, it doesn´t matter actually.

wish you a nice weekend in southern Serbia, my k-albanian friends... =)

MikeC

pre 11 godina

Renko

The US is working to change the constitution in the croat-muslim federation and not RS. Sorry to say but an overwhelming majority of Serbs in Bosnia want independence. And why shouldn't it be granted to them? If Bosnia could leave Jugoslavia why can't RS leave Bosnia? Everyone should gain freedom except the serbs. That's not fair and the international community knows it. Sooner or later Bosnia will split. Peacefully or through another war. However, now that Bosnia is demilitarized and don't have any heavy weapons a war is pretty much not an option. Muslims wanted out, now serbs want out. Bosnia could have stayed as part of Jugoslavia with wide autonomy. Bosnjaks wanted all but will have to settle with a little more then nothing.

Bam Bam

pre 11 godina

RS may have many investors, but just like China when you pay your people peanuts whats the point of investment. The average Serb earns $300 a month. I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night.

Hank the Tank

pre 11 godina

"If and when some act of de jure independence does occur, the international community may be forced reluctantly to accept it. Short of military intervention, there is little it will be able to do. Russia would veto UN sanctions"
http://old.balkaninsight.com/en/main/comment/23797/

Johnny cheesecake

pre 11 godina

I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night.
(Bam Bam, 5 October 2012 13:17)

You spend that much money on hot dogs and cheap beer? You're either being taken for a ride, or you have an eating disorder like lots of other racist American rednecks.
(Pebbles, 5 October 2012 21:13)

He ain't no American redneck, he is a Croat redneck born and schooled in the UK, which would make him einen Karotte Cruncher, Yokel, Despoiler von genannt wird, bestellte Urinal, alten Junge, Fenntiger oder Pikey voraus..
Undershtund??

KOSO

pre 11 godina

“Kosovo has received limited support so they do not need a seat in the UN."

Thank you, we've said this all along; but we still hold out that one day we too will be welcomed in the UN family.

As far your aspirations of independence I wish you the best luck. Although, I must add that both the European and American partners have stated outright that borders in the Balkans will not change. Make sure you coordinate your activities before you are embargoed by all surrounding countries.

Sincerely,

Ron

pre 11 godina

both the European and American partners have stated outright that borders in the Balkans will not change. Make sure you coordinate your activities before you are embargoed by all surrounding countries.

Sincerely,
(KOSO, 5 October 2012 15:44)

So why that should be different for the Serbian province of Kosovo?
No double standards. Mind that not EU or US decide on issues like these but the UN does!
If you want to change the status of Kosovo change UNSC 1244!

Greetings from a real state (not a province!) inside EU!

Pebbles

pre 11 godina

I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night.
(Bam Bam, 5 October 2012 13:17)

You spend that much money on hot dogs and cheap beer? You're either being taken for a ride, or you have an eating disorder like lots of other racist American rednecks.

Fat Johnny

pre 11 godina

RS may have many investors, but just like China when you pay your people peanuts whats the point of investment. The average Serb earns $300 a month. I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night.
(Bam Bam, 5 October 2012 13:17)

It's easy for you Croats to be spending gourmets in a boom boom tourist economy. Unlike your poor coastal neighbors, you get to feast on all the foreign cheeses and, as Dylan once said, read books,repeat quotations and
draw conclusions on the wall.

Naim

pre 11 godina

Through the genocide, ethnic cleansing, murdering of elderly and youngs to the independent. wow well done RS

but you will never see that in reality ...ask EU/US/west to support that idea and they will give you good answer..

Lenard

pre 11 godina

Dodik just more hot air and fantasy's of wish lists yore neighbours know what you are. Yore big mouth speaks for it self when it dose not have a big buffoon foot in it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milorad_Dodik .

Renko

pre 11 godina

Nice to hear that the USA is going to change the Bosnian constitution. Judging by the racist leadership in Banja Luka, it cannot come too soon.
Just a question of getting the key assets out of the hands of the "fat man" (Visegrad, Srebrenica, Kozarac etc).
Best of all would be the overthrow of the Fat Man in BL as well as the nationalist Bosniak leadership too. If Uncle Sam could support a pluralist new party with a billion or so dollars, then so much the better.
Long live Bosnia

Ron

pre 11 godina

And why shouldn't it be granted to them? If Bosnia could leave Jugoslavia why can't RS leave Bosnia?

Well, MikeC, because Bosnia was a YU republic while RS is a Bosnian entity.
Of course this also goes for Kosovo.
Rules apply to all or none. So if we say yes to Kosovo we cannot say no to RS.

Good luck everyone there in Bosnia!

Michael

pre 11 godina

Possibly the actual map of the Balkan is only for a time being. Kosovo and Albania will go together ad possibly Serbia with RS? The EU will not have another Cyprus what means two Albanias and two Bosnian states (or two Serbian states). You see that the Cyprus-issue is so difficult, how can expect that the Balkan-issues are easy to handle. And due to the great word of Serb deputy PM the date for the talks is not important what her boss the PM and the president are seeing not so. Its all not so important, important is only what third-class German MPs are saying. But it could come also to another solution for RS, lie for Kosovo where the last Serbs will leave the country. And the Muslims and Croats are taking over RS. If the Serbian policy is further on so weak it could happen.

Danilo

pre 11 godina

This is just populist talk.

Dodik doesn't want independence for RS anymore than Serbia wants it, in reality.

Dodik would rather be the kink of a small mountain than an insignificant prince of a larger one.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

“Kosovo has received limited support so they do not need a seat in the UN. Neither do we! I think that many things have changed since we first time mentioned the idea,” Dodik said.

Now Dodo is competing with Thaci regarding the illusion of independence and a working sustainable state. Amazing.

icj1

pre 11 godina

If you want to change the status of Kosovo change UNSC 1244!
(Ron, 5 October 2012 17:24)

Why?! the status of Kosovo as described in its DI is in accordance with 1244 (thanks to Vuk who worked tirelessly to clarify that). Anyway, if you feel otherwise, feel free to change UNSCR 1244 to make the Kosovo's DI illegal.

Equality for Serbs and Bosnjaks - opinion of a Bosnjak

pre 11 godina

LAND SWAP. RS independent or to Serbia.

At the same time Sandjak independent or to Bosnia.

Fair swap, also must involve equatable property/land sales if people want to move and guarantees from each respective country there will be no state violence against minorities, as seen in the 90's wars.

This can be achieved peacefully but it must be fair.

In any form of diplomacy you must always look to engineer win-win situations.

If without finding agreement the RS decides to just go, then there will definitely be a war which will take another 20 years to recover from, ruling all progress up to this point obsolete.

The best solution would be for all of the countries in the Balkans to work together to establish an economic zone and then pool our strengths together to compete internationally.

This will then create an opportunity for a possible re-assimilation between the countries of the Balkans, but it will take time and effort.

It is in the best interest of all the people in the Balkans to work towards that goal as currently RS has 2 billion of foreign investment, this means it has to repay this 2 billion with additional percentages to the foreign investors meaning they will lose money compared to if they were able to pool money together domestically.

I understand Dodik wanting to save money on military spending and not being pro NATO, given world uncertainties, BUT we are all fighting over popcorn not realising that we are not seeing the beef steak ahead.

Will continue

Bosnjak Guy

pre 11 godina

Continuing...

Politicians on all sides are to blame, and so are those who keep holding onto nationalist judgement.

As a unified Balkan economic power we can buy out the investors and keep 100% profit back to our nations.

We need an economic zone first and agree with EU on Croatia EU standards vis-a-vis the proposed Balkan economic zone.

Otherwise it will have to be just Serbia, Albania Montenegro, Macedonia, Kosovo and Bosnia. Croatia may miss out.

We can then have companies operating accross all countries exporting more meat, dairy, vegetables etc to places like the Middle East who are importing from Western Europe even though the prices are higher and the quality of food is inferior.

The point again is - Why must we people from the Balkans fight over popcorn ignorning that as a result we are losing a lot financially to outside powers.

This is a shame.

Regards,

Bosnjak guy.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

"icj" wrote:

"Why?! the status of Kosovo as described in its DI is in accordance with 1244 (thanks to Vuk who worked tirelessly to clarify that). Anyway, if you feel otherwise, feel free to change UNSCR 1244 to make the Kosovo's DI illegal.
(icj1, 6 October 2012 23:27)"

is it possible that this kid, icj, doesn´t learn at all? I mean, is it a mental state of extreme ignorance or what? not only have I personally shown him where to look for the facts, when he denied that UNSC 1244 speaks in favour of Serbia´s territorial integrity, no he just stayed quiet afterwards in that regard!

and now he just comes up again with this nonsense, although he´s been shown that it is absolutely false what he is claiming here.

therefore dear icj, you should really think it over, perhaps stop reading those yellow-papers in downtown-Priština, and just educate yourself.

otherwise you make a complete fool of yourself, really. ...but in the end, this would not be much of a surprise in regard to the K-albanians in here...

Bam Bam

pre 11 godina

RS may have many investors, but just like China when you pay your people peanuts whats the point of investment. The average Serb earns $300 a month. I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night.

Deliverence

pre 11 godina

Hans

yet again you spout such drivel. Who are you in the west to say that RS can't be independent from the rest of Bosnia??

You can't have one rule of standards for one ethnicity and then refuse the same rule of standards for another. That clearly shows me that you and your friends are ANTI Serbian, you lot still got the hump for getting clobbered twice by us. Maybe you need lesson number three and I guarantee that Deucthland on it's own would get clobbered again. Keep your big German nose out of our affairs and we will just ignore you people. Independence for RS!! Partition for Germany independence for Bavaria!! Independence for Prussia!! Freedom for Saxony!!! OH YEEEEAH!!

Teslavio

pre 11 godina

The west will never accept the independence of the RS and has the military capacity to prevent any such step. (Hans, 05. oktobar 2012 11:21)Who cares if the west accepts it when the majority of the world accepts it, and they will after the Brics.

Lenard

pre 11 godina

Dodik just more hot air and fantasy's of wish lists yore neighbours know what you are. Yore big mouth speaks for it self when it dose not have a big buffoon foot in it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milorad_Dodik .

KOSO

pre 11 godina

“Kosovo has received limited support so they do not need a seat in the UN."

Thank you, we've said this all along; but we still hold out that one day we too will be welcomed in the UN family.

As far your aspirations of independence I wish you the best luck. Although, I must add that both the European and American partners have stated outright that borders in the Balkans will not change. Make sure you coordinate your activities before you are embargoed by all surrounding countries.

Sincerely,

Peggy

pre 11 godina

The west will never accept the independence of the RS and has the military capacity to prevent any such step.
(Hans, 5 October 2012 11:21)
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Maybe, maybe not. The question is will they.

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 11 godina

Bam Bam, 5 October 2012 13:17 said;
"The average Serb earns $300 a month. I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night".

I really do fail to see the relavance of your comment. Or did you come on here to brag about the disposable income you have in another continent to make you feel better about yourself or more superior?.

The standard of living is far better in RS than in BH (or it was when I worked there a couple of years ago). By all accounts it is improving all the time in the RS. However. the same cannot be said of neighbouring BH.

I fully expect to eventually see an independant RS which is self suficient and not reliant on mega loans from ECBD and other donating partners. This will take time as like the rest of the balkans it will time to recover from the disastrous effects of the 1990's and early 2000's.

It would be beneficil for all former Yugoslavia states to be successful and cooperate economically.However, I can see maybe 4 of them doing so. Unfortunately BH will not be there with them as the mentality to succeed is just not a part of the culture.

So I wish Mr. Dodik a great success in taking his current mandate to bear greater fruits in the future.

Naim

pre 11 godina

Through the genocide, ethnic cleansing, murdering of elderly and youngs to the independent. wow well done RS

but you will never see that in reality ...ask EU/US/west to support that idea and they will give you good answer..

Renko

pre 11 godina

Nice to hear that the USA is going to change the Bosnian constitution. Judging by the racist leadership in Banja Luka, it cannot come too soon.
Just a question of getting the key assets out of the hands of the "fat man" (Visegrad, Srebrenica, Kozarac etc).
Best of all would be the overthrow of the Fat Man in BL as well as the nationalist Bosniak leadership too. If Uncle Sam could support a pluralist new party with a billion or so dollars, then so much the better.
Long live Bosnia

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

The west will never accept the independence of the RS and has the military capacity to prevent any such step.
(Hans, 5 October 2012 11:21)

Of course they do. Isn't it a shame that Serbs could take on the entire ex-Yugoslavia in an open conflict, but obviously is no match for this foreign military alliance who dumped bombs over Serbia.

Thing is will they? It seems things have changed because I guess what one would ask is, what are they waiting for? Dodik has been making these statements for quite a while now. You know what the EU did when Dodik discussed the idea of a referendum? They flew the useless Catherine Ashton to Banja Luka for a state meeting with Dodik and she didn't even visit Sarajevo during that trip.

Do they have capacity? Of course. They have the capacity to level the entire Balkans and pretend as if none of our people even exist. But reality is they are not doing that.

So keep dreaming "Hans" (most likely a nickname for Hashim or Hassan)

Michael

pre 11 godina

Possibly the actual map of the Balkan is only for a time being. Kosovo and Albania will go together ad possibly Serbia with RS? The EU will not have another Cyprus what means two Albanias and two Bosnian states (or two Serbian states). You see that the Cyprus-issue is so difficult, how can expect that the Balkan-issues are easy to handle. And due to the great word of Serb deputy PM the date for the talks is not important what her boss the PM and the president are seeing not so. Its all not so important, important is only what third-class German MPs are saying. But it could come also to another solution for RS, lie for Kosovo where the last Serbs will leave the country. And the Muslims and Croats are taking over RS. If the Serbian policy is further on so weak it could happen.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

“Kosovo has received limited support so they do not need a seat in the UN. Neither do we! I think that many things have changed since we first time mentioned the idea,” Dodik said.

Now Dodo is competing with Thaci regarding the illusion of independence and a working sustainable state. Amazing.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Love him or hate him, he's a perfect reflection of the horrid state of affairs in Bosnia. Considering RS has been quietly doing to Bosnia what Slovenia did to SFRJ over the past 20 years, I don't hold out much hope for Bosnia's future beyond a drastically confederalized entity.

Johnny cheesecake

pre 11 godina

I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night.
(Bam Bam, 5 October 2012 13:17)

You spend that much money on hot dogs and cheap beer? You're either being taken for a ride, or you have an eating disorder like lots of other racist American rednecks.
(Pebbles, 5 October 2012 21:13)

He ain't no American redneck, he is a Croat redneck born and schooled in the UK, which would make him einen Karotte Cruncher, Yokel, Despoiler von genannt wird, bestellte Urinal, alten Junge, Fenntiger oder Pikey voraus..
Undershtund??

Danilo

pre 11 godina

This is just populist talk.

Dodik doesn't want independence for RS anymore than Serbia wants it, in reality.

Dodik would rather be the kink of a small mountain than an insignificant prince of a larger one.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

just like Ari Gold said it, I too believe that "Hans" is just another "despered" K-albanian, who would like to read such a king-kong-statement in favour of the K-albanians, but reality checked, there is not much the Albanians can be happy of.

the US are losing grip in the "balkans", the Russians, Turkey and as I just learned lately Israel is also coming forward offering substantial help to Greece and making first contacts with Romania, Bulgaria and Serbia as well.

the bottom-line is: whatever you K-albanians are barking about, you´ll be the losers in the end. again.

and Serbia will prevail.

ps: I read today that after Nigeria, Oman and Guinea-Bisao, now also Mali is coming forward, with a dementi in regard to the alleged "recognition" of your little freak-creation... what´s wrong with your "government", if they are forced to lie even about "recognitions"? =)

well, in the end, it doesn´t matter actually.

wish you a nice weekend in southern Serbia, my k-albanian friends... =)

icj1

pre 11 godina

If you want to change the status of Kosovo change UNSC 1244!
(Ron, 5 October 2012 17:24)

Why?! the status of Kosovo as described in its DI is in accordance with 1244 (thanks to Vuk who worked tirelessly to clarify that). Anyway, if you feel otherwise, feel free to change UNSCR 1244 to make the Kosovo's DI illegal.

Ron

pre 11 godina

both the European and American partners have stated outright that borders in the Balkans will not change. Make sure you coordinate your activities before you are embargoed by all surrounding countries.

Sincerely,
(KOSO, 5 October 2012 15:44)

So why that should be different for the Serbian province of Kosovo?
No double standards. Mind that not EU or US decide on issues like these but the UN does!
If you want to change the status of Kosovo change UNSC 1244!

Greetings from a real state (not a province!) inside EU!

MikeC

pre 11 godina

Renko

The US is working to change the constitution in the croat-muslim federation and not RS. Sorry to say but an overwhelming majority of Serbs in Bosnia want independence. And why shouldn't it be granted to them? If Bosnia could leave Jugoslavia why can't RS leave Bosnia? Everyone should gain freedom except the serbs. That's not fair and the international community knows it. Sooner or later Bosnia will split. Peacefully or through another war. However, now that Bosnia is demilitarized and don't have any heavy weapons a war is pretty much not an option. Muslims wanted out, now serbs want out. Bosnia could have stayed as part of Jugoslavia with wide autonomy. Bosnjaks wanted all but will have to settle with a little more then nothing.

Fat Johnny

pre 11 godina

RS may have many investors, but just like China when you pay your people peanuts whats the point of investment. The average Serb earns $300 a month. I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night.
(Bam Bam, 5 October 2012 13:17)

It's easy for you Croats to be spending gourmets in a boom boom tourist economy. Unlike your poor coastal neighbors, you get to feast on all the foreign cheeses and, as Dylan once said, read books,repeat quotations and
draw conclusions on the wall.

Pebbles

pre 11 godina

I spend $300 in one night out on the town eating suckling pig off the spit and drinking alcohol all night.
(Bam Bam, 5 October 2012 13:17)

You spend that much money on hot dogs and cheap beer? You're either being taken for a ride, or you have an eating disorder like lots of other racist American rednecks.

Hank the Tank

pre 11 godina

"If and when some act of de jure independence does occur, the international community may be forced reluctantly to accept it. Short of military intervention, there is little it will be able to do. Russia would veto UN sanctions"
http://old.balkaninsight.com/en/main/comment/23797/

Ron

pre 11 godina

And why shouldn't it be granted to them? If Bosnia could leave Jugoslavia why can't RS leave Bosnia?

Well, MikeC, because Bosnia was a YU republic while RS is a Bosnian entity.
Of course this also goes for Kosovo.
Rules apply to all or none. So if we say yes to Kosovo we cannot say no to RS.

Good luck everyone there in Bosnia!

Equality for Serbs and Bosnjaks - opinion of a Bosnjak

pre 11 godina

LAND SWAP. RS independent or to Serbia.

At the same time Sandjak independent or to Bosnia.

Fair swap, also must involve equatable property/land sales if people want to move and guarantees from each respective country there will be no state violence against minorities, as seen in the 90's wars.

This can be achieved peacefully but it must be fair.

In any form of diplomacy you must always look to engineer win-win situations.

If without finding agreement the RS decides to just go, then there will definitely be a war which will take another 20 years to recover from, ruling all progress up to this point obsolete.

The best solution would be for all of the countries in the Balkans to work together to establish an economic zone and then pool our strengths together to compete internationally.

This will then create an opportunity for a possible re-assimilation between the countries of the Balkans, but it will take time and effort.

It is in the best interest of all the people in the Balkans to work towards that goal as currently RS has 2 billion of foreign investment, this means it has to repay this 2 billion with additional percentages to the foreign investors meaning they will lose money compared to if they were able to pool money together domestically.

I understand Dodik wanting to save money on military spending and not being pro NATO, given world uncertainties, BUT we are all fighting over popcorn not realising that we are not seeing the beef steak ahead.

Will continue

Bosnjak Guy

pre 11 godina

Continuing...

Politicians on all sides are to blame, and so are those who keep holding onto nationalist judgement.

As a unified Balkan economic power we can buy out the investors and keep 100% profit back to our nations.

We need an economic zone first and agree with EU on Croatia EU standards vis-a-vis the proposed Balkan economic zone.

Otherwise it will have to be just Serbia, Albania Montenegro, Macedonia, Kosovo and Bosnia. Croatia may miss out.

We can then have companies operating accross all countries exporting more meat, dairy, vegetables etc to places like the Middle East who are importing from Western Europe even though the prices are higher and the quality of food is inferior.

The point again is - Why must we people from the Balkans fight over popcorn ignorning that as a result we are losing a lot financially to outside powers.

This is a shame.

Regards,

Bosnjak guy.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

"icj" wrote:

"Why?! the status of Kosovo as described in its DI is in accordance with 1244 (thanks to Vuk who worked tirelessly to clarify that). Anyway, if you feel otherwise, feel free to change UNSCR 1244 to make the Kosovo's DI illegal.
(icj1, 6 October 2012 23:27)"

is it possible that this kid, icj, doesn´t learn at all? I mean, is it a mental state of extreme ignorance or what? not only have I personally shown him where to look for the facts, when he denied that UNSC 1244 speaks in favour of Serbia´s territorial integrity, no he just stayed quiet afterwards in that regard!

and now he just comes up again with this nonsense, although he´s been shown that it is absolutely false what he is claiming here.

therefore dear icj, you should really think it over, perhaps stop reading those yellow-papers in downtown-Priština, and just educate yourself.

otherwise you make a complete fool of yourself, really. ...but in the end, this would not be much of a surprise in regard to the K-albanians in here...