The Serbian authorities on Wednesday decided to ban the gay parade, scheduled for October 6 in Belgrade, and cited security concerns as the reason for the ban.
"As for why doesn't the LGBT community organize pride events in Kosovo, I really have no idea. I don't know that they aren't either. I can't say I have much interest either way. If/when they choose to, I support them."
well, it has struck me as remarkable that while many have posted negative comments about Belgrade when it came to gay parades, including pro-Albanian posters, everyone stayed silent when the suggested venue is "Kosova". Seems to me there's double standards going on.
"Like I said to ecoman, I since I don't live in Kosovo and have visited only once, it's kind of abstract and hard to care about."
well, I don't think many Serbians feel same the way that you do.
"Definitely doesn't have much to do with Belgrade, whatever the case.
(Danilo, 4 October 2012 13:56)"
well, again, methinks many Serbians would disagree with you that "Kosova" doesn't have much to do with Belgrade.
I'm glad to hear the gay parade is banned. It's a relief that Serbian police won't lose an eye and get concussed and broken bones again. These gay parades are fraudulent parades: parades should be about celebration, spectacle or something that brings joy to the people where the parades take place. They should also be family/child friendly since they are in a public space out in the open.
Let me tell you about an interesting phenomenon in Romania: the forums are invaded by an "army" of gay-"modern" supporters. They are so many, that it seems that whole of Romania has changed. It would seem that we gave up on Orthodoxy in just 22 years of democracy... And they tell you about how modern and wonderfull are the countries where gay and depravaty has accepted as normality. And how "backward" are the "stupid" orthodox romanians, that don't wanna give up their beliefs. And they invade the forums with images of priests, that they say are rich and corrupt. And then they tell us that we have to go forward and keep orthodoxy out of public life and that we're building too many churches. It would seem that the're aren't anymore Christians in Romania. And then, the census came. With all their propaganda, their money and aggressiveness, out of 20 million Romanians, just 0,2% declared themselves...atheists or agnostic. Less than 20.000 people. That's how it is in Serbia too. A small minority is trying to terrorize you. May God bless you leaders for defending your faith.
You sound as though you are one. If you are then keep your activities within your own walls and country and don't try to shove your abnormal activities in other peoples faces. We have the right to say no to gays if we don't want them simples!!
(It's not me it's them, 4 October 2012 12:00)
Nope, just a guy who thinks homophobia is utterly stupid, like a lot of other heterosexual people in the real world.
But I guess that's the problem right there: right-wingers like you don't live in the real world. You're the same in any country, it's just that, unfortunately for places like Serbia, Russia, Croatia, etc, you still have the backing of the government. No doubt you're perfectly proud and satisfied with things as they are, but look at your country. It's a mess, and no wonder. There are clearly still a lot of right-wingers like you living there -- you've just voted in a bunch of Milosevic and Seselj protégés to take it "forward"!
Well, since I don't know all Serbs, I guess you're right. I should have said "why do MANY Serbs, particularly on this forum..."
As for why doesn't the LGBT community organize pride events in Kosovo, I really have no idea. I don't know that they aren't either. I can't say I have much interest either way. If/when they choose to, I support them.
Like I said to ecoman, I since I don't live in Kosovo and have visited only once, it's kind of abstract and hard to care about.
Definitely doesn't have much to do with Belgrade, whatever the case.
Why do Serbs love to compare themselves with people in a worse-off situation than themselves? This is a loser's mentality. I'm better off than the drunk that's always babbling by the fountain at bajlonova piaca, but I don't take some sort of pride or solace in that, as I'm constantly striving to be better than I am now.
btw, there was a Pride festival in Tirana with no incidents, so Serbia is at the bottom of the barrel on this issue.
As for "why don't they hold a parade there"? They will as soon as the locals organize one, just like it's Serbs who are the "they" organizing the one in Belgrade.
(Danilo, 4 October 2012 12:40) "
In the first place, I would think your "why do Serbs love ....." is a stereotypical generalization of an entire ethnic group's trait that remains to be proven to date, and which certainly you are not able to provide the proof.
And I wasn't asking about Tirana. As for gays in "Kosova", I'm wondering what's delaying them from organizing their parade? Fear perhaps?
You sound as though you are one. If you are then keep your activities within your own walls and country and don't try to shove your abnormal activities in other peoples faces. We have the right to say no to gays if we don't want them simples!!
"This gives me a good reason for not to visit your country next summer with my family. I do not want to support tourism in a country which does not respect basic human rights."
(T. Niskanen, 3 October 2012 20:17)"
I didn't know that the Serbians are pining for your visit.
Why do Serbs love to compare themselves with people in a worse-off situation than themselves? This is a loser's mentality. I'm better off than the drunk that's always babbling by the fountain at bajlonova piaca, but I don't take some sort of pride or solace in that, as I'm constantly striving to be better than I am now.
btw, there was a Pride festival in Tirana with no incidents, so Serbia is at the bottom of the barrel on this issue.
As for "why don't they hold a parade there"? They will as soon as the locals organize one, just like it's Serbs who are the "they" organizing the one in Belgrade.
"a video of 1000s of Serbs roaming the streets shouting "kill the fag":
[link]
(Danilo, 3 October 2012 23:16)"
Maybe they can hold the parade in "Kosova" and have folks there shout "luv the fag"!!!! Ha ha ha! Seriously though, why don't they ever hold the parade there?
"This gives me a good reason for not to visit your country next summer with my family. I do not want to support tourism in a country which does not respect basic human rights."
(T. Niskanen, 3 October 2012 20:17)
My thoughts exactly. Stay far, far away from such a backward place. If only people speaking out against gays had any kind of self awareness...
But you know, it's exactly this kind of mentality that has cost Balkan countries so dearly over the years. Look at what the Serbs have suffered: war, loss of territory, poverty, the incarceration of virtually all their revered politicians and military heros from the 1990s...
I still can't believe that it took a fundraising drive (many thanks to B92) to get incubators into Serbian hospitals. What does that tell you about the standard of living in Serbia?
The world's most peaceful, prosperous nations (such as Finland) don't have a problem letting gays parade through their cities. They're also a lot more fun to visit, by the way. I've seen Belgrade, Zagreb, Podgorica...they simply don't compare to Amsterdam, London, Copenhagen, Helsinki, Paris...
But hey, whatever. I know the right-wingers don't care and don't get it. They're like the toothless bigots in rural America who still hate blacks...Jews...gays (of course)...Latinos...dentists...affordable, government plans that sponsor dental care...you get the idea.
Best of luck, Serbia. I hope Russia gives you all you need (ha ha).
In Serbia, the iron fist truly lives on.
I'll bet more then half of the politicians in Serbia are themselves gay. They just keep it in the closet.
(Shadow, 3 October 2012 19:23
The more vocal a person is on the perversion of homosexuality and how disgusting it is the higher the probability that there is a booty boy in the background, and this is just smoke to throw the hounds off course.
Truly 100% heterosexual people have no fear from homosexuals, it is those with tendencies they must control that live in fear, not from the others but because they fear themselves.
Dear Serbian Government - the next time you ask Canada why Serbian citizens still need visas to come to my country, look at your own actions. Canada is a modern, progressive and forward thinking country, where we have laws against hate-crimes and hate-speech and where we recognize gay marriage and fight to protect the rights of all Canadian citizens.
"Serbs in general don't have an issue with gay people"
a video of 1000s of Serbs roaming the streets shouting "kill the fag":
[link]
(Danilo, 3 October 2012 23:16)
I wonder how many people that are here on B92 are in that crowd, LOL.
The same people who woke up one random Thursday morning and decided to be attracted to the opposite sex, perhaps... since that is MOST DEFINATELY how it works out, of course.
Guys RELAX, ( Not Frankie goes to Hollywood's words, But Mine )
All the Gays from all the nationalities, Serbia, Kosovo, Croatia, Bosnia etc,,, Are not recognized in the same way as Gays and Lesbians in the west.
We all have come across them in our countries as all of us knew at least 2 or 3 of them by name, people did not accept it but that was the case. ,,,They were gays,,, As a Heterosexual i know the reality is that in our culture we are not used to this Now, but in the future we will see people relaxing their views about this issue. I say, If they want to celebrate? Let them do it, Heteros do not have to go and cheer them.
I know I WOULDN'T, BUT it would NOT bother me if they had their Parade.
"Look at what Pussy Riots did, completely disgusting."
-What is disgusting is seeing high priests wearing 50 thousand dollar watches and then photoshopping them out. What is disgusting is seeing someone claiming to be God's representative on earth being paraded on a bullet-proof car. Make it a Mercedes on top of that. Fvck religions, all of them. They're a cancer to logical thinking.
...One is surprised to see so many Albanian gays to come out of the closet and support the gay parade.I wonder whether they'll be brave enough to take part in the gay parade to take place in Tirana .
(Gotsefromohrid, 3 October 2012 20:34) ...
If you read the news a gay parade took place in Tirana on May 17.Its was small,but there were no incidents reported.One conservative minister spoke harsh words against gays,religious communities didnt agree with the parade,but PM Berisha supported it.Everything went OK in the end of the day.
To me this is a stupid requirement from EU to its candidate members.But Gay Parade in Albania was over and none talk about that after May 17.
Serbia should have taken Albania's example,to leave the Parade going on and move on.
But it looks Serbia is a theocracy more than democracy,where Irenej is more important tha Dacic or Nikolic.
since you don't like honestly, here's another example of "serbs having no problem with homosexuality"
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=129_1181518971
I don't hear anyone shouting "down with the government", as people like to claim that these "protests" are 'against the government". They're shouting "kill the fags"
If i was gay i would never parade around flailing like a sissy boy.. not here in serbia.. or on davie street in canada or on the promenade in berlin.. u are gay
. Cool.. parade about something else
Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an EQUAL say in the decisions that affect their lives (so gays aren't the only ones who matter - ALL ELIGIBLE citizens do).
Nikolle, this my be the first, and last time I agree with you. Homosexuality is not a disease, folks. It's like being born with a large nose, you have no choice. Anyone that truly believes that this is a disease, has a disease in the head. Educate yourselves, Balkanites.
(EcomanEcomanEcoman, 3 October 2012 21:23)
Did you really just type this ? So what about being bisexual? Its a sick choice people make. They are so bored with their lives that they deviate from the norm and start sticking things up their bum to satisfy themselves. Again I ask what about bestiality? Is that something you are born with or did you choose that? Where is their parade? AS I said before, when this angers danilo, bob, comm.parrason, bganon, roberto & tom in lazybrook then you know it is a victory for Serbs.
Wow, six articles on the gay parade in one day. I wonder whose agenda this is? This should be a non-issue in Serbia because it simply is not supported. However, we can see external powers imposing it.
Serbs in general don't have an issue with gay people (and neither do I) but there is a difference between expression and provocation. We can see the latter in action here and now. This perverted exhibition with photos mocking Christ really is disgusting and has no place in public.
Well done Serbia! I only wish that our Romanian authorities would care for their 90% orthodox majority...Instead, each big party has a gay activist as a major counselor...This is EU: the land of depravaty!
(Mihai, 3 October 2012 18:34)
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In a way you are correct. Religion is becoming increasing popular across Serbia and many former communist states, especially in the Orthodox world. We are not united by NATO or the EU but by religion. I read many Romanians and Bulgarians supporting Serbs as Orthodox brothers.
What we are seeing now is an attack on religion by attempting to force through an extremely contentious issue. Look at what Pussy Riots did, completely disgusting. That is the kind of religious respect we can expect from the same people pushing this unpopular gay parade.
I will always support our culture, religion and way of life because in its true way, it doesn't harm anyone. So attempting to force something foreign into this culture is simply incompatible.
Nikolle, this my be the first, and last time I agree with you. Homosexuality is not a disease, folks. It's like being born with a large nose, you have no choice. Anyone that truly believes that this is a disease, has a disease in the head. Educate yourselves, Balkanites.
How do the gay procreate you would think they would die out in a generation or two problem over. Their parents are not gay of course made sad by their abnormal thinking mixed up kids something amiss in the natural world. The government should not be promoting deviance's in a normal functioning society.
One is surprised to see so many Albanian gays to come out of the closet and support the gay parade.I wonder whether they'll be brave enough to take part in the gay parade to take place in Tirana .
"It is very important for the credibility of Serbia to show the strength of the state. And this does not amount to any kind of capitulation before some who think they can use their paramilitary or any other threats to endanger the holding of public gatherings - it means that it has been assessed that, at this time, serious violations of public peace and order could occur, which would seriously jeopardize interests of the citizens and the state as a whole."
What a smartass. He contradicts himself in two adjacent sentences! Yes, violations of public peace could occur, and so the Serbian state decided to capitulate before the hooligans and extremists who are the ones that endanger the holding of public gatherings and who could cause violence and disturb the public peace.
On the other hand, Serbia is not alone. Germany and other western countries capitulated before violent Islamist extremists, banned exhibitions and stopped some campaigns instead of defending the freedom of speech and art.
"Whoever said Serbia is entering the dark ages is wrong. Serbia never left the dark ages."
cry me a river
You as an albanian should not even make any comments reagarding gay rights. When you allow gays to parade the streets of Pristina or Tirana then I will respect your opinion. However, when you judge Serbia on something you are even worse at just shows you level of hypocricy.
This gives me a good reason for not to visit your country next summer with my family. I do not want to support tourism in a country which does not respect basic human rights. Greetings from Finland to all gay people in Serbia! Try to hang out there!
hey listen, if you believe in God and that he/she makes everything, then you'd have to concede that God made these 'depraved' individuals too. he/she also made people possessing both sexual organs, male & female
1. It's time for the LGBT people to start protecting themselves. They should form several vigilante groups, learn martial arts and then start patrolling the streets.
2. Whenever Dveri members, Red Star and Partisan fans, municipal or state employees, farmers, hairdressers, bus drivers, anyone or any organization wants to assemble in town or march thru the town, including any political party, the LGBT vigilante groups must threaten these gatherings by violence. Then Dačić - or who ever weakling is in "power" - must ban all these gatherings, including of his own party, because the risk of violence is not only possible but guaranteed.
3. Lots of noise here about traditional values. If these noisy neanderthals had educated themselves a bit more than by watching Sylvester Stallone and Chuck Norris films they would know that Serbian orthodox church used to give unofficial blessing to (male) homosexual couples way back some hundreds of years (and that's the era when a number of traditions were born).
4. Once again, LGBT people. You need to fight for your rights. State is weak and cowardly. The mob is ignorant and arrogant. Don't let these two subjugate you.
"Really? its biological and not a choice? Cross dressers / trannies are a biological ?"
(???, 3 October 2012 19:44)
Sure, it is. In case you don't know: There are gay animals, too. For example male penguin couples who sometimes even 'abduct' eggs and breed. Though they are not cross-dressing :)
But well, some ignorants still believe nowadays in the fairy tale that god created the earth, mankind and animals :)
what is it with these religious nutcases? Homosexuality has been around a lot longer than Jesus! for that matter it has been around before God decided to make contact via Moses! I am not going to slate Serbia on this (on this issue Albanians and Serbs stand together sadly) because it is more than likely a Balkan disease, to believe that homosexuality is a choice as opposed to a biological condition (demonstrated by science quite readily). I don't believe anyone has a say on their sexual orientation, people are born straight or gay. to discriminate against that (it happens in both Serbian societies and Albanian ones) is frankly fascist
“… the gay parade were planned as part of the week-long Belgrade Pride 2012.”
If not stopped next time they will definitely plan a month-long then a year-long and finally a non-stop “pride” parade. So it’s fine that step by step Serbia is back to it’s national spirit and traditions. If it were not the B92 I would tell you what I really think of the banned international movement an it’s activists.
what is it with these religious nutcases? Homosexuality has been around a lot longer than Jesus! for that matter it has been around before God decided to make contact via Moses! I am not going to slate Serbia on this (on this issue Albanians and Serbs stand together sadly) because it is more than likely a Balkan disease, to believe that homosexuality is a choice as opposed to a biological condition (demonstrated by science quite readily). I don't believe anyone has a say on their sexual orientation, people are born straight or gay. to discriminate against that (it happens in both Serbian societies and Albanian ones) is frankly fascist
(Nikolle, 3 October 2012 19:12)
Really? its biological and not a choice? Cross dressers / trannies are a biological ? What about bestiality? is that a choice or biological?
Yeah,right! Dacic previously stated that they feared the nationalists.
So, they proved that they're 'nutlezz' or they're discriminate against minorities and a bearded man in a dress runs the affairs.
Choose which version you like.
Whoever said Serbia is entering the dark ages is wrong. Serbia never left the dark ages.
As long as 200.000 Kosovo Serbs wait to return to their homes,as long as the murderers of 1000 Serbs in Kosovo since 1999 are brought to justice no one in the West has the right to support this illegaly blasphemy manifestation(according to the law) in Serbia!
Period!End of discussion!
The ideology of culutural marxism,which is a totalitarian ideology that promotes the abolition of the nation(multiculturalism),traditional values(through promotion of gay parades),traditional families and tries to turn people into sheeps with no bindings except for the greed of money has been,is and will in the future BE REJECTED in Serbia!
We should ban those parades and especially this "art presentation" taking place in Belgrade today and being secured by 3000 policemen(showing Jesus in pink underwears etc.) forever on Serbian soil,just like they did in Russia!
Well done Serbia! I only wish that our Romanian authorities would care for their 90% orthodox majority...Instead, each big party has a gay activist as a major counselor...This is EU: the land of depravaty!
That doesn't surprise me coming from a Yank if indeed you are one, those people don't respect a damn thing, and for your info being gay is against God's laws so quite right that such a disgusting show of depravity should be banned in a Christian country.
I know in the west you people promote being gay it as if it is normal, it is against the laws of nature and completly wrong and abnormal. That is why the west will fall along with all its other failings and time will prove me right. Enjoy your depravity while you can.
Serbia is a failed state that is unable or unwilling to control mobs of terrorists running amok over the streets of its capital.
There is no freedom of petition, protest, assembly, association, expression, or speech in Serbia
I suggest that the organizers of Gay Pride Belgrade simply say "okay, were going to hold the parade next Saturday". They should sue at the Euro Court, demanding monetary damages for each participants expenses. And for the expulsion of Serbia from the Eurocourt.
I would also suggest that they announce that the next Gay Pride Parade will be held..."next Saturday".
Like I said, coordinate the Pride parade with angry Bus Plus users and you'd get a well attended march. Add all those who want to legalize marijuana and you'd have a million man march. Attempt to ban it then, you'd have a social uprising. What we have now is little more an the cancellation of an event no one really cares about and another 15 minutes of fame for Ceda and Kandic to complain about the state of affairs in a country they have no credible influence in :)
"Earlier in the day Serbian Orthodox Patriarch Irinej urged the authorities to ban the parade, and a controversial exhibition, deemed to be insulting to Christians."
I love it! Serbs sound no different than the Muslims protesting the movie that was produced in America that was deemed "insulting" to Islam.
Thank God Serbia made the right decision. When people like danilo, bob, comm.pparrason, roberto, tom in lazybrook, bganon are against this then you know Serbia made the right choice.
About time they showed some nutz, this is not about gay rights or freedom of speech is you continue to think so then you need help.
I guess Lenard and the albo trolls are all going to cry into their pillows tonight, not to worry you can still be as gay as you want to in your own house.
Just when we thought fat boy was going to grab his ankles low and behold he surprised everyone!
And lets just look at what is going on in Serbia, they are on the edge of being broke in the state budget, people don't have jobs, not to mention how much food and basic things are going up in price.
So how could anyone in their right mind use state money to protect some citizens or non citizens that want to have a parade.
Cant do it no matter how independent you think you are.
"Prime Minister and Interior Minister Ivica Dačić is expected to explain the decision."
I'm curious with what kind of fabricated reasons he will come up. Or will he be so honest to admit that the new Serbian government once again gave in to nationalist extremists and well-known hooligans who threated with violence, just like the previous government did?
Good for you Serbia! Dark Ages nothing! While i deplore violence I will say I'm glad the Serbian people will use anything at their disposal to stop the homosexuals from degrading their country as they have done to so many of ours in the west.
Good for you Serbia! Dark Ages nothing! While i deplore violence I will say I'm glad the Serbian people will use anything at their disposal to stop the homosexuals from degrading their country as they have done to so many of ours in the west.
"Earlier in the day Serbian Orthodox Patriarch Irinej urged the authorities to ban the parade, and a controversial exhibition, deemed to be insulting to Christians."
I love it! Serbs sound no different than the Muslims protesting the movie that was produced in America that was deemed "insulting" to Islam.
Thank God Serbia made the right decision. When people like danilo, bob, comm.pparrason, roberto, tom in lazybrook, bganon are against this then you know Serbia made the right choice.
About time they showed some nutz, this is not about gay rights or freedom of speech is you continue to think so then you need help.
I guess Lenard and the albo trolls are all going to cry into their pillows tonight, not to worry you can still be as gay as you want to in your own house.
Just when we thought fat boy was going to grab his ankles low and behold he surprised everyone!
And lets just look at what is going on in Serbia, they are on the edge of being broke in the state budget, people don't have jobs, not to mention how much food and basic things are going up in price.
So how could anyone in their right mind use state money to protect some citizens or non citizens that want to have a parade.
Cant do it no matter how independent you think you are.
"Prime Minister and Interior Minister Ivica Dačić is expected to explain the decision."
I'm curious with what kind of fabricated reasons he will come up. Or will he be so honest to admit that the new Serbian government once again gave in to nationalist extremists and well-known hooligans who threated with violence, just like the previous government did?
Serbia is a failed state that is unable or unwilling to control mobs of terrorists running amok over the streets of its capital.
There is no freedom of petition, protest, assembly, association, expression, or speech in Serbia
I suggest that the organizers of Gay Pride Belgrade simply say "okay, were going to hold the parade next Saturday". They should sue at the Euro Court, demanding monetary damages for each participants expenses. And for the expulsion of Serbia from the Eurocourt.
I would also suggest that they announce that the next Gay Pride Parade will be held..."next Saturday".
Well done Serbia! I only wish that our Romanian authorities would care for their 90% orthodox majority...Instead, each big party has a gay activist as a major counselor...This is EU: the land of depravaty!
That doesn't surprise me coming from a Yank if indeed you are one, those people don't respect a damn thing, and for your info being gay is against God's laws so quite right that such a disgusting show of depravity should be banned in a Christian country.
I know in the west you people promote being gay it as if it is normal, it is against the laws of nature and completly wrong and abnormal. That is why the west will fall along with all its other failings and time will prove me right. Enjoy your depravity while you can.
Wow, six articles on the gay parade in one day. I wonder whose agenda this is? This should be a non-issue in Serbia because it simply is not supported. However, we can see external powers imposing it.
Serbs in general don't have an issue with gay people (and neither do I) but there is a difference between expression and provocation. We can see the latter in action here and now. This perverted exhibition with photos mocking Christ really is disgusting and has no place in public.
Nikolle, this my be the first, and last time I agree with you. Homosexuality is not a disease, folks. It's like being born with a large nose, you have no choice. Anyone that truly believes that this is a disease, has a disease in the head. Educate yourselves, Balkanites.
As long as 200.000 Kosovo Serbs wait to return to their homes,as long as the murderers of 1000 Serbs in Kosovo since 1999 are brought to justice no one in the West has the right to support this illegaly blasphemy manifestation(according to the law) in Serbia!
Period!End of discussion!
The ideology of culutural marxism,which is a totalitarian ideology that promotes the abolition of the nation(multiculturalism),traditional values(through promotion of gay parades),traditional families and tries to turn people into sheeps with no bindings except for the greed of money has been,is and will in the future BE REJECTED in Serbia!
We should ban those parades and especially this "art presentation" taking place in Belgrade today and being secured by 3000 policemen(showing Jesus in pink underwears etc.) forever on Serbian soil,just like they did in Russia!
what is it with these religious nutcases? Homosexuality has been around a lot longer than Jesus! for that matter it has been around before God decided to make contact via Moses! I am not going to slate Serbia on this (on this issue Albanians and Serbs stand together sadly) because it is more than likely a Balkan disease, to believe that homosexuality is a choice as opposed to a biological condition (demonstrated by science quite readily). I don't believe anyone has a say on their sexual orientation, people are born straight or gay. to discriminate against that (it happens in both Serbian societies and Albanian ones) is frankly fascist
One is surprised to see so many Albanian gays to come out of the closet and support the gay parade.I wonder whether they'll be brave enough to take part in the gay parade to take place in Tirana .
Like I said, coordinate the Pride parade with angry Bus Plus users and you'd get a well attended march. Add all those who want to legalize marijuana and you'd have a million man march. Attempt to ban it then, you'd have a social uprising. What we have now is little more an the cancellation of an event no one really cares about and another 15 minutes of fame for Ceda and Kandic to complain about the state of affairs in a country they have no credible influence in :)
This gives me a good reason for not to visit your country next summer with my family. I do not want to support tourism in a country which does not respect basic human rights. Greetings from Finland to all gay people in Serbia! Try to hang out there!
1. It's time for the LGBT people to start protecting themselves. They should form several vigilante groups, learn martial arts and then start patrolling the streets.
2. Whenever Dveri members, Red Star and Partisan fans, municipal or state employees, farmers, hairdressers, bus drivers, anyone or any organization wants to assemble in town or march thru the town, including any political party, the LGBT vigilante groups must threaten these gatherings by violence. Then Dačić - or who ever weakling is in "power" - must ban all these gatherings, including of his own party, because the risk of violence is not only possible but guaranteed.
3. Lots of noise here about traditional values. If these noisy neanderthals had educated themselves a bit more than by watching Sylvester Stallone and Chuck Norris films they would know that Serbian orthodox church used to give unofficial blessing to (male) homosexual couples way back some hundreds of years (and that's the era when a number of traditions were born).
4. Once again, LGBT people. You need to fight for your rights. State is weak and cowardly. The mob is ignorant and arrogant. Don't let these two subjugate you.
Yeah,right! Dacic previously stated that they feared the nationalists.
So, they proved that they're 'nutlezz' or they're discriminate against minorities and a bearded man in a dress runs the affairs.
Choose which version you like.
Whoever said Serbia is entering the dark ages is wrong. Serbia never left the dark ages.
Well done Serbia! I only wish that our Romanian authorities would care for their 90% orthodox majority...Instead, each big party has a gay activist as a major counselor...This is EU: the land of depravaty!
(Mihai, 3 October 2012 18:34)
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In a way you are correct. Religion is becoming increasing popular across Serbia and many former communist states, especially in the Orthodox world. We are not united by NATO or the EU but by religion. I read many Romanians and Bulgarians supporting Serbs as Orthodox brothers.
What we are seeing now is an attack on religion by attempting to force through an extremely contentious issue. Look at what Pussy Riots did, completely disgusting. That is the kind of religious respect we can expect from the same people pushing this unpopular gay parade.
I will always support our culture, religion and way of life because in its true way, it doesn't harm anyone. So attempting to force something foreign into this culture is simply incompatible.
"Whoever said Serbia is entering the dark ages is wrong. Serbia never left the dark ages."
cry me a river
You as an albanian should not even make any comments reagarding gay rights. When you allow gays to parade the streets of Pristina or Tirana then I will respect your opinion. However, when you judge Serbia on something you are even worse at just shows you level of hypocricy.
“… the gay parade were planned as part of the week-long Belgrade Pride 2012.”
If not stopped next time they will definitely plan a month-long then a year-long and finally a non-stop “pride” parade. So it’s fine that step by step Serbia is back to it’s national spirit and traditions. If it were not the B92 I would tell you what I really think of the banned international movement an it’s activists.
hey listen, if you believe in God and that he/she makes everything, then you'd have to concede that God made these 'depraved' individuals too. he/she also made people possessing both sexual organs, male & female
what is it with these religious nutcases? Homosexuality has been around a lot longer than Jesus! for that matter it has been around before God decided to make contact via Moses! I am not going to slate Serbia on this (on this issue Albanians and Serbs stand together sadly) because it is more than likely a Balkan disease, to believe that homosexuality is a choice as opposed to a biological condition (demonstrated by science quite readily). I don't believe anyone has a say on their sexual orientation, people are born straight or gay. to discriminate against that (it happens in both Serbian societies and Albanian ones) is frankly fascist
(Nikolle, 3 October 2012 19:12)
Really? its biological and not a choice? Cross dressers / trannies are a biological ? What about bestiality? is that a choice or biological?
Nikolle, this my be the first, and last time I agree with you. Homosexuality is not a disease, folks. It's like being born with a large nose, you have no choice. Anyone that truly believes that this is a disease, has a disease in the head. Educate yourselves, Balkanites.
(EcomanEcomanEcoman, 3 October 2012 21:23)
Did you really just type this ? So what about being bisexual? Its a sick choice people make. They are so bored with their lives that they deviate from the norm and start sticking things up their bum to satisfy themselves. Again I ask what about bestiality? Is that something you are born with or did you choose that? Where is their parade? AS I said before, when this angers danilo, bob, comm.parrason, bganon, roberto & tom in lazybrook then you know it is a victory for Serbs.
"It is very important for the credibility of Serbia to show the strength of the state. And this does not amount to any kind of capitulation before some who think they can use their paramilitary or any other threats to endanger the holding of public gatherings - it means that it has been assessed that, at this time, serious violations of public peace and order could occur, which would seriously jeopardize interests of the citizens and the state as a whole."
What a smartass. He contradicts himself in two adjacent sentences! Yes, violations of public peace could occur, and so the Serbian state decided to capitulate before the hooligans and extremists who are the ones that endanger the holding of public gatherings and who could cause violence and disturb the public peace.
On the other hand, Serbia is not alone. Germany and other western countries capitulated before violent Islamist extremists, banned exhibitions and stopped some campaigns instead of defending the freedom of speech and art.
How do the gay procreate you would think they would die out in a generation or two problem over. Their parents are not gay of course made sad by their abnormal thinking mixed up kids something amiss in the natural world. The government should not be promoting deviance's in a normal functioning society.
"Really? its biological and not a choice? Cross dressers / trannies are a biological ?"
(???, 3 October 2012 19:44)
Sure, it is. In case you don't know: There are gay animals, too. For example male penguin couples who sometimes even 'abduct' eggs and breed. Though they are not cross-dressing :)
But well, some ignorants still believe nowadays in the fairy tale that god created the earth, mankind and animals :)
Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an EQUAL say in the decisions that affect their lives (so gays aren't the only ones who matter - ALL ELIGIBLE citizens do).
"Look at what Pussy Riots did, completely disgusting."
-What is disgusting is seeing high priests wearing 50 thousand dollar watches and then photoshopping them out. What is disgusting is seeing someone claiming to be God's representative on earth being paraded on a bullet-proof car. Make it a Mercedes on top of that. Fvck religions, all of them. They're a cancer to logical thinking.
Dear Serbian Government - the next time you ask Canada why Serbian citizens still need visas to come to my country, look at your own actions. Canada is a modern, progressive and forward thinking country, where we have laws against hate-crimes and hate-speech and where we recognize gay marriage and fight to protect the rights of all Canadian citizens.
You sound as though you are one. If you are then keep your activities within your own walls and country and don't try to shove your abnormal activities in other peoples faces. We have the right to say no to gays if we don't want them simples!!
(It's not me it's them, 4 October 2012 12:00)
Nope, just a guy who thinks homophobia is utterly stupid, like a lot of other heterosexual people in the real world.
But I guess that's the problem right there: right-wingers like you don't live in the real world. You're the same in any country, it's just that, unfortunately for places like Serbia, Russia, Croatia, etc, you still have the backing of the government. No doubt you're perfectly proud and satisfied with things as they are, but look at your country. It's a mess, and no wonder. There are clearly still a lot of right-wingers like you living there -- you've just voted in a bunch of Milosevic and Seselj protégés to take it "forward"!
If i was gay i would never parade around flailing like a sissy boy.. not here in serbia.. or on davie street in canada or on the promenade in berlin.. u are gay
. Cool.. parade about something else
"This gives me a good reason for not to visit your country next summer with my family. I do not want to support tourism in a country which does not respect basic human rights."
(T. Niskanen, 3 October 2012 20:17)
My thoughts exactly. Stay far, far away from such a backward place. If only people speaking out against gays had any kind of self awareness...
But you know, it's exactly this kind of mentality that has cost Balkan countries so dearly over the years. Look at what the Serbs have suffered: war, loss of territory, poverty, the incarceration of virtually all their revered politicians and military heros from the 1990s...
I still can't believe that it took a fundraising drive (many thanks to B92) to get incubators into Serbian hospitals. What does that tell you about the standard of living in Serbia?
The world's most peaceful, prosperous nations (such as Finland) don't have a problem letting gays parade through their cities. They're also a lot more fun to visit, by the way. I've seen Belgrade, Zagreb, Podgorica...they simply don't compare to Amsterdam, London, Copenhagen, Helsinki, Paris...
But hey, whatever. I know the right-wingers don't care and don't get it. They're like the toothless bigots in rural America who still hate blacks...Jews...gays (of course)...Latinos...dentists...affordable, government plans that sponsor dental care...you get the idea.
Best of luck, Serbia. I hope Russia gives you all you need (ha ha).
"This gives me a good reason for not to visit your country next summer with my family. I do not want to support tourism in a country which does not respect basic human rights."
(T. Niskanen, 3 October 2012 20:17)"
I didn't know that the Serbians are pining for your visit.
Why do Serbs love to compare themselves with people in a worse-off situation than themselves? This is a loser's mentality. I'm better off than the drunk that's always babbling by the fountain at bajlonova piaca, but I don't take some sort of pride or solace in that, as I'm constantly striving to be better than I am now.
btw, there was a Pride festival in Tirana with no incidents, so Serbia is at the bottom of the barrel on this issue.
As for "why don't they hold a parade there"? They will as soon as the locals organize one, just like it's Serbs who are the "they" organizing the one in Belgrade.
Let me tell you about an interesting phenomenon in Romania: the forums are invaded by an "army" of gay-"modern" supporters. They are so many, that it seems that whole of Romania has changed. It would seem that we gave up on Orthodoxy in just 22 years of democracy... And they tell you about how modern and wonderfull are the countries where gay and depravaty has accepted as normality. And how "backward" are the "stupid" orthodox romanians, that don't wanna give up their beliefs. And they invade the forums with images of priests, that they say are rich and corrupt. And then they tell us that we have to go forward and keep orthodoxy out of public life and that we're building too many churches. It would seem that the're aren't anymore Christians in Romania. And then, the census came. With all their propaganda, their money and aggressiveness, out of 20 million Romanians, just 0,2% declared themselves...atheists or agnostic. Less than 20.000 people. That's how it is in Serbia too. A small minority is trying to terrorize you. May God bless you leaders for defending your faith.
Well, since I don't know all Serbs, I guess you're right. I should have said "why do MANY Serbs, particularly on this forum..."
As for why doesn't the LGBT community organize pride events in Kosovo, I really have no idea. I don't know that they aren't either. I can't say I have much interest either way. If/when they choose to, I support them.
Like I said to ecoman, I since I don't live in Kosovo and have visited only once, it's kind of abstract and hard to care about.
Definitely doesn't have much to do with Belgrade, whatever the case.
In Serbia, the iron fist truly lives on.
I'll bet more then half of the politicians in Serbia are themselves gay. They just keep it in the closet.
(Shadow, 3 October 2012 19:23
The more vocal a person is on the perversion of homosexuality and how disgusting it is the higher the probability that there is a booty boy in the background, and this is just smoke to throw the hounds off course.
Truly 100% heterosexual people have no fear from homosexuals, it is those with tendencies they must control that live in fear, not from the others but because they fear themselves.
"a video of 1000s of Serbs roaming the streets shouting "kill the fag":
[link]
(Danilo, 3 October 2012 23:16)"
Maybe they can hold the parade in "Kosova" and have folks there shout "luv the fag"!!!! Ha ha ha! Seriously though, why don't they ever hold the parade there?
You sound as though you are one. If you are then keep your activities within your own walls and country and don't try to shove your abnormal activities in other peoples faces. We have the right to say no to gays if we don't want them simples!!
since you don't like honestly, here's another example of "serbs having no problem with homosexuality"
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=129_1181518971
I don't hear anyone shouting "down with the government", as people like to claim that these "protests" are 'against the government". They're shouting "kill the fags"
"Serbs in general don't have an issue with gay people"
a video of 1000s of Serbs roaming the streets shouting "kill the fag":
[link]
(Danilo, 3 October 2012 23:16)
I wonder how many people that are here on B92 are in that crowd, LOL.
The same people who woke up one random Thursday morning and decided to be attracted to the opposite sex, perhaps... since that is MOST DEFINATELY how it works out, of course.
Guys RELAX, ( Not Frankie goes to Hollywood's words, But Mine )
All the Gays from all the nationalities, Serbia, Kosovo, Croatia, Bosnia etc,,, Are not recognized in the same way as Gays and Lesbians in the west.
We all have come across them in our countries as all of us knew at least 2 or 3 of them by name, people did not accept it but that was the case. ,,,They were gays,,, As a Heterosexual i know the reality is that in our culture we are not used to this Now, but in the future we will see people relaxing their views about this issue. I say, If they want to celebrate? Let them do it, Heteros do not have to go and cheer them.
I know I WOULDN'T, BUT it would NOT bother me if they had their Parade.
Why do Serbs love to compare themselves with people in a worse-off situation than themselves? This is a loser's mentality. I'm better off than the drunk that's always babbling by the fountain at bajlonova piaca, but I don't take some sort of pride or solace in that, as I'm constantly striving to be better than I am now.
btw, there was a Pride festival in Tirana with no incidents, so Serbia is at the bottom of the barrel on this issue.
As for "why don't they hold a parade there"? They will as soon as the locals organize one, just like it's Serbs who are the "they" organizing the one in Belgrade.
(Danilo, 4 October 2012 12:40) "
In the first place, I would think your "why do Serbs love ....." is a stereotypical generalization of an entire ethnic group's trait that remains to be proven to date, and which certainly you are not able to provide the proof.
And I wasn't asking about Tirana. As for gays in "Kosova", I'm wondering what's delaying them from organizing their parade? Fear perhaps?
"As for why doesn't the LGBT community organize pride events in Kosovo, I really have no idea. I don't know that they aren't either. I can't say I have much interest either way. If/when they choose to, I support them."
well, it has struck me as remarkable that while many have posted negative comments about Belgrade when it came to gay parades, including pro-Albanian posters, everyone stayed silent when the suggested venue is "Kosova". Seems to me there's double standards going on.
"Like I said to ecoman, I since I don't live in Kosovo and have visited only once, it's kind of abstract and hard to care about."
well, I don't think many Serbians feel same the way that you do.
"Definitely doesn't have much to do with Belgrade, whatever the case.
(Danilo, 4 October 2012 13:56)"
well, again, methinks many Serbians would disagree with you that "Kosova" doesn't have much to do with Belgrade.
...One is surprised to see so many Albanian gays to come out of the closet and support the gay parade.I wonder whether they'll be brave enough to take part in the gay parade to take place in Tirana .
(Gotsefromohrid, 3 October 2012 20:34) ...
If you read the news a gay parade took place in Tirana on May 17.Its was small,but there were no incidents reported.One conservative minister spoke harsh words against gays,religious communities didnt agree with the parade,but PM Berisha supported it.Everything went OK in the end of the day.
To me this is a stupid requirement from EU to its candidate members.But Gay Parade in Albania was over and none talk about that after May 17.
Serbia should have taken Albania's example,to leave the Parade going on and move on.
But it looks Serbia is a theocracy more than democracy,where Irenej is more important tha Dacic or Nikolic.
I'm glad to hear the gay parade is banned. It's a relief that Serbian police won't lose an eye and get concussed and broken bones again. These gay parades are fraudulent parades: parades should be about celebration, spectacle or something that brings joy to the people where the parades take place. They should also be family/child friendly since they are in a public space out in the open.
Thank God Serbia made the right decision. When people like danilo, bob, comm.pparrason, roberto, tom in lazybrook, bganon are against this then you know Serbia made the right choice.
Good for you Serbia! Dark Ages nothing! While i deplore violence I will say I'm glad the Serbian people will use anything at their disposal to stop the homosexuals from degrading their country as they have done to so many of ours in the west.
"Earlier in the day Serbian Orthodox Patriarch Irinej urged the authorities to ban the parade, and a controversial exhibition, deemed to be insulting to Christians."
I love it! Serbs sound no different than the Muslims protesting the movie that was produced in America that was deemed "insulting" to Islam.
That doesn't surprise me coming from a Yank if indeed you are one, those people don't respect a damn thing, and for your info being gay is against God's laws so quite right that such a disgusting show of depravity should be banned in a Christian country.
I know in the west you people promote being gay it as if it is normal, it is against the laws of nature and completly wrong and abnormal. That is why the west will fall along with all its other failings and time will prove me right. Enjoy your depravity while you can.
About time they showed some nutz, this is not about gay rights or freedom of speech is you continue to think so then you need help.
I guess Lenard and the albo trolls are all going to cry into their pillows tonight, not to worry you can still be as gay as you want to in your own house.
Just when we thought fat boy was going to grab his ankles low and behold he surprised everyone!
And lets just look at what is going on in Serbia, they are on the edge of being broke in the state budget, people don't have jobs, not to mention how much food and basic things are going up in price.
So how could anyone in their right mind use state money to protect some citizens or non citizens that want to have a parade.
Cant do it no matter how independent you think you are.
Serbia is a failed state that is unable or unwilling to control mobs of terrorists running amok over the streets of its capital.
There is no freedom of petition, protest, assembly, association, expression, or speech in Serbia
I suggest that the organizers of Gay Pride Belgrade simply say "okay, were going to hold the parade next Saturday". They should sue at the Euro Court, demanding monetary damages for each participants expenses. And for the expulsion of Serbia from the Eurocourt.
I would also suggest that they announce that the next Gay Pride Parade will be held..."next Saturday".
Well done Serbia! I only wish that our Romanian authorities would care for their 90% orthodox majority...Instead, each big party has a gay activist as a major counselor...This is EU: the land of depravaty!
(Mihai, 3 October 2012 18:34)
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In a way you are correct. Religion is becoming increasing popular across Serbia and many former communist states, especially in the Orthodox world. We are not united by NATO or the EU but by religion. I read many Romanians and Bulgarians supporting Serbs as Orthodox brothers.
What we are seeing now is an attack on religion by attempting to force through an extremely contentious issue. Look at what Pussy Riots did, completely disgusting. That is the kind of religious respect we can expect from the same people pushing this unpopular gay parade.
I will always support our culture, religion and way of life because in its true way, it doesn't harm anyone. So attempting to force something foreign into this culture is simply incompatible.
As long as 200.000 Kosovo Serbs wait to return to their homes,as long as the murderers of 1000 Serbs in Kosovo since 1999 are brought to justice no one in the West has the right to support this illegaly blasphemy manifestation(according to the law) in Serbia!
Period!End of discussion!
The ideology of culutural marxism,which is a totalitarian ideology that promotes the abolition of the nation(multiculturalism),traditional values(through promotion of gay parades),traditional families and tries to turn people into sheeps with no bindings except for the greed of money has been,is and will in the future BE REJECTED in Serbia!
We should ban those parades and especially this "art presentation" taking place in Belgrade today and being secured by 3000 policemen(showing Jesus in pink underwears etc.) forever on Serbian soil,just like they did in Russia!
Well done Serbia! I only wish that our Romanian authorities would care for their 90% orthodox majority...Instead, each big party has a gay activist as a major counselor...This is EU: the land of depravaty!
How do the gay procreate you would think they would die out in a generation or two problem over. Their parents are not gay of course made sad by their abnormal thinking mixed up kids something amiss in the natural world. The government should not be promoting deviance's in a normal functioning society.
"Prime Minister and Interior Minister Ivica Dačić is expected to explain the decision."
I'm curious with what kind of fabricated reasons he will come up. Or will he be so honest to admit that the new Serbian government once again gave in to nationalist extremists and well-known hooligans who threated with violence, just like the previous government did?
Nikolle, this my be the first, and last time I agree with you. Homosexuality is not a disease, folks. It's like being born with a large nose, you have no choice. Anyone that truly believes that this is a disease, has a disease in the head. Educate yourselves, Balkanites.
(EcomanEcomanEcoman, 3 October 2012 21:23)
Did you really just type this ? So what about being bisexual? Its a sick choice people make. They are so bored with their lives that they deviate from the norm and start sticking things up their bum to satisfy themselves. Again I ask what about bestiality? Is that something you are born with or did you choose that? Where is their parade? AS I said before, when this angers danilo, bob, comm.parrason, bganon, roberto & tom in lazybrook then you know it is a victory for Serbs.
what is it with these religious nutcases? Homosexuality has been around a lot longer than Jesus! for that matter it has been around before God decided to make contact via Moses! I am not going to slate Serbia on this (on this issue Albanians and Serbs stand together sadly) because it is more than likely a Balkan disease, to believe that homosexuality is a choice as opposed to a biological condition (demonstrated by science quite readily). I don't believe anyone has a say on their sexual orientation, people are born straight or gay. to discriminate against that (it happens in both Serbian societies and Albanian ones) is frankly fascist
This gives me a good reason for not to visit your country next summer with my family. I do not want to support tourism in a country which does not respect basic human rights. Greetings from Finland to all gay people in Serbia! Try to hang out there!
1. It's time for the LGBT people to start protecting themselves. They should form several vigilante groups, learn martial arts and then start patrolling the streets.
2. Whenever Dveri members, Red Star and Partisan fans, municipal or state employees, farmers, hairdressers, bus drivers, anyone or any organization wants to assemble in town or march thru the town, including any political party, the LGBT vigilante groups must threaten these gatherings by violence. Then Dačić - or who ever weakling is in "power" - must ban all these gatherings, including of his own party, because the risk of violence is not only possible but guaranteed.
3. Lots of noise here about traditional values. If these noisy neanderthals had educated themselves a bit more than by watching Sylvester Stallone and Chuck Norris films they would know that Serbian orthodox church used to give unofficial blessing to (male) homosexual couples way back some hundreds of years (and that's the era when a number of traditions were born).
4. Once again, LGBT people. You need to fight for your rights. State is weak and cowardly. The mob is ignorant and arrogant. Don't let these two subjugate you.
One is surprised to see so many Albanian gays to come out of the closet and support the gay parade.I wonder whether they'll be brave enough to take part in the gay parade to take place in Tirana .
what is it with these religious nutcases? Homosexuality has been around a lot longer than Jesus! for that matter it has been around before God decided to make contact via Moses! I am not going to slate Serbia on this (on this issue Albanians and Serbs stand together sadly) because it is more than likely a Balkan disease, to believe that homosexuality is a choice as opposed to a biological condition (demonstrated by science quite readily). I don't believe anyone has a say on their sexual orientation, people are born straight or gay. to discriminate against that (it happens in both Serbian societies and Albanian ones) is frankly fascist
(Nikolle, 3 October 2012 19:12)
Really? its biological and not a choice? Cross dressers / trannies are a biological ? What about bestiality? is that a choice or biological?
If i was gay i would never parade around flailing like a sissy boy.. not here in serbia.. or on davie street in canada or on the promenade in berlin.. u are gay
. Cool.. parade about something else
Yeah,right! Dacic previously stated that they feared the nationalists.
So, they proved that they're 'nutlezz' or they're discriminate against minorities and a bearded man in a dress runs the affairs.
Choose which version you like.
Whoever said Serbia is entering the dark ages is wrong. Serbia never left the dark ages.
“… the gay parade were planned as part of the week-long Belgrade Pride 2012.”
If not stopped next time they will definitely plan a month-long then a year-long and finally a non-stop “pride” parade. So it’s fine that step by step Serbia is back to it’s national spirit and traditions. If it were not the B92 I would tell you what I really think of the banned international movement an it’s activists.
Wow, six articles on the gay parade in one day. I wonder whose agenda this is? This should be a non-issue in Serbia because it simply is not supported. However, we can see external powers imposing it.
Serbs in general don't have an issue with gay people (and neither do I) but there is a difference between expression and provocation. We can see the latter in action here and now. This perverted exhibition with photos mocking Christ really is disgusting and has no place in public.
"Whoever said Serbia is entering the dark ages is wrong. Serbia never left the dark ages."
cry me a river
You as an albanian should not even make any comments reagarding gay rights. When you allow gays to parade the streets of Pristina or Tirana then I will respect your opinion. However, when you judge Serbia on something you are even worse at just shows you level of hypocricy.
"It is very important for the credibility of Serbia to show the strength of the state. And this does not amount to any kind of capitulation before some who think they can use their paramilitary or any other threats to endanger the holding of public gatherings - it means that it has been assessed that, at this time, serious violations of public peace and order could occur, which would seriously jeopardize interests of the citizens and the state as a whole."
What a smartass. He contradicts himself in two adjacent sentences! Yes, violations of public peace could occur, and so the Serbian state decided to capitulate before the hooligans and extremists who are the ones that endanger the holding of public gatherings and who could cause violence and disturb the public peace.
On the other hand, Serbia is not alone. Germany and other western countries capitulated before violent Islamist extremists, banned exhibitions and stopped some campaigns instead of defending the freedom of speech and art.
Like I said, coordinate the Pride parade with angry Bus Plus users and you'd get a well attended march. Add all those who want to legalize marijuana and you'd have a million man march. Attempt to ban it then, you'd have a social uprising. What we have now is little more an the cancellation of an event no one really cares about and another 15 minutes of fame for Ceda and Kandic to complain about the state of affairs in a country they have no credible influence in :)
hey listen, if you believe in God and that he/she makes everything, then you'd have to concede that God made these 'depraved' individuals too. he/she also made people possessing both sexual organs, male & female
Nikolle, this my be the first, and last time I agree with you. Homosexuality is not a disease, folks. It's like being born with a large nose, you have no choice. Anyone that truly believes that this is a disease, has a disease in the head. Educate yourselves, Balkanites.
...One is surprised to see so many Albanian gays to come out of the closet and support the gay parade.I wonder whether they'll be brave enough to take part in the gay parade to take place in Tirana .
(Gotsefromohrid, 3 October 2012 20:34) ...
If you read the news a gay parade took place in Tirana on May 17.Its was small,but there were no incidents reported.One conservative minister spoke harsh words against gays,religious communities didnt agree with the parade,but PM Berisha supported it.Everything went OK in the end of the day.
To me this is a stupid requirement from EU to its candidate members.But Gay Parade in Albania was over and none talk about that after May 17.
Serbia should have taken Albania's example,to leave the Parade going on and move on.
But it looks Serbia is a theocracy more than democracy,where Irenej is more important tha Dacic or Nikolic.
"This gives me a good reason for not to visit your country next summer with my family. I do not want to support tourism in a country which does not respect basic human rights."
(T. Niskanen, 3 October 2012 20:17)
My thoughts exactly. Stay far, far away from such a backward place. If only people speaking out against gays had any kind of self awareness...
But you know, it's exactly this kind of mentality that has cost Balkan countries so dearly over the years. Look at what the Serbs have suffered: war, loss of territory, poverty, the incarceration of virtually all their revered politicians and military heros from the 1990s...
I still can't believe that it took a fundraising drive (many thanks to B92) to get incubators into Serbian hospitals. What does that tell you about the standard of living in Serbia?
The world's most peaceful, prosperous nations (such as Finland) don't have a problem letting gays parade through their cities. They're also a lot more fun to visit, by the way. I've seen Belgrade, Zagreb, Podgorica...they simply don't compare to Amsterdam, London, Copenhagen, Helsinki, Paris...
But hey, whatever. I know the right-wingers don't care and don't get it. They're like the toothless bigots in rural America who still hate blacks...Jews...gays (of course)...Latinos...dentists...affordable, government plans that sponsor dental care...you get the idea.
Best of luck, Serbia. I hope Russia gives you all you need (ha ha).
"Really? its biological and not a choice? Cross dressers / trannies are a biological ?"
(???, 3 October 2012 19:44)
Sure, it is. In case you don't know: There are gay animals, too. For example male penguin couples who sometimes even 'abduct' eggs and breed. Though they are not cross-dressing :)
But well, some ignorants still believe nowadays in the fairy tale that god created the earth, mankind and animals :)
Dear Serbian Government - the next time you ask Canada why Serbian citizens still need visas to come to my country, look at your own actions. Canada is a modern, progressive and forward thinking country, where we have laws against hate-crimes and hate-speech and where we recognize gay marriage and fight to protect the rights of all Canadian citizens.
"Look at what Pussy Riots did, completely disgusting."
-What is disgusting is seeing high priests wearing 50 thousand dollar watches and then photoshopping them out. What is disgusting is seeing someone claiming to be God's representative on earth being paraded on a bullet-proof car. Make it a Mercedes on top of that. Fvck religions, all of them. They're a cancer to logical thinking.
Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an EQUAL say in the decisions that affect their lives (so gays aren't the only ones who matter - ALL ELIGIBLE citizens do).
You sound as though you are one. If you are then keep your activities within your own walls and country and don't try to shove your abnormal activities in other peoples faces. We have the right to say no to gays if we don't want them simples!!
Let me tell you about an interesting phenomenon in Romania: the forums are invaded by an "army" of gay-"modern" supporters. They are so many, that it seems that whole of Romania has changed. It would seem that we gave up on Orthodoxy in just 22 years of democracy... And they tell you about how modern and wonderfull are the countries where gay and depravaty has accepted as normality. And how "backward" are the "stupid" orthodox romanians, that don't wanna give up their beliefs. And they invade the forums with images of priests, that they say are rich and corrupt. And then they tell us that we have to go forward and keep orthodoxy out of public life and that we're building too many churches. It would seem that the're aren't anymore Christians in Romania. And then, the census came. With all their propaganda, their money and aggressiveness, out of 20 million Romanians, just 0,2% declared themselves...atheists or agnostic. Less than 20.000 people. That's how it is in Serbia too. A small minority is trying to terrorize you. May God bless you leaders for defending your faith.
I'm glad to hear the gay parade is banned. It's a relief that Serbian police won't lose an eye and get concussed and broken bones again. These gay parades are fraudulent parades: parades should be about celebration, spectacle or something that brings joy to the people where the parades take place. They should also be family/child friendly since they are in a public space out in the open.
Guys RELAX, ( Not Frankie goes to Hollywood's words, But Mine )
All the Gays from all the nationalities, Serbia, Kosovo, Croatia, Bosnia etc,,, Are not recognized in the same way as Gays and Lesbians in the west.
We all have come across them in our countries as all of us knew at least 2 or 3 of them by name, people did not accept it but that was the case. ,,,They were gays,,, As a Heterosexual i know the reality is that in our culture we are not used to this Now, but in the future we will see people relaxing their views about this issue. I say, If they want to celebrate? Let them do it, Heteros do not have to go and cheer them.
I know I WOULDN'T, BUT it would NOT bother me if they had their Parade.
In Serbia, the iron fist truly lives on.
I'll bet more then half of the politicians in Serbia are themselves gay. They just keep it in the closet.
(Shadow, 3 October 2012 19:23
The more vocal a person is on the perversion of homosexuality and how disgusting it is the higher the probability that there is a booty boy in the background, and this is just smoke to throw the hounds off course.
Truly 100% heterosexual people have no fear from homosexuals, it is those with tendencies they must control that live in fear, not from the others but because they fear themselves.
"a video of 1000s of Serbs roaming the streets shouting "kill the fag":
[link]
(Danilo, 3 October 2012 23:16)"
Maybe they can hold the parade in "Kosova" and have folks there shout "luv the fag"!!!! Ha ha ha! Seriously though, why don't they ever hold the parade there?
"This gives me a good reason for not to visit your country next summer with my family. I do not want to support tourism in a country which does not respect basic human rights."
(T. Niskanen, 3 October 2012 20:17)"
I didn't know that the Serbians are pining for your visit.
Why do Serbs love to compare themselves with people in a worse-off situation than themselves? This is a loser's mentality. I'm better off than the drunk that's always babbling by the fountain at bajlonova piaca, but I don't take some sort of pride or solace in that, as I'm constantly striving to be better than I am now.
btw, there was a Pride festival in Tirana with no incidents, so Serbia is at the bottom of the barrel on this issue.
As for "why don't they hold a parade there"? They will as soon as the locals organize one, just like it's Serbs who are the "they" organizing the one in Belgrade.
You sound as though you are one. If you are then keep your activities within your own walls and country and don't try to shove your abnormal activities in other peoples faces. We have the right to say no to gays if we don't want them simples!!
(It's not me it's them, 4 October 2012 12:00)
Nope, just a guy who thinks homophobia is utterly stupid, like a lot of other heterosexual people in the real world.
But I guess that's the problem right there: right-wingers like you don't live in the real world. You're the same in any country, it's just that, unfortunately for places like Serbia, Russia, Croatia, etc, you still have the backing of the government. No doubt you're perfectly proud and satisfied with things as they are, but look at your country. It's a mess, and no wonder. There are clearly still a lot of right-wingers like you living there -- you've just voted in a bunch of Milosevic and Seselj protégés to take it "forward"!
"Serbs in general don't have an issue with gay people"
a video of 1000s of Serbs roaming the streets shouting "kill the fag":
[link]
(Danilo, 3 October 2012 23:16)
I wonder how many people that are here on B92 are in that crowd, LOL.
The same people who woke up one random Thursday morning and decided to be attracted to the opposite sex, perhaps... since that is MOST DEFINATELY how it works out, of course.
Why do Serbs love to compare themselves with people in a worse-off situation than themselves? This is a loser's mentality. I'm better off than the drunk that's always babbling by the fountain at bajlonova piaca, but I don't take some sort of pride or solace in that, as I'm constantly striving to be better than I am now.
btw, there was a Pride festival in Tirana with no incidents, so Serbia is at the bottom of the barrel on this issue.
As for "why don't they hold a parade there"? They will as soon as the locals organize one, just like it's Serbs who are the "they" organizing the one in Belgrade.
(Danilo, 4 October 2012 12:40) "
In the first place, I would think your "why do Serbs love ....." is a stereotypical generalization of an entire ethnic group's trait that remains to be proven to date, and which certainly you are not able to provide the proof.
And I wasn't asking about Tirana. As for gays in "Kosova", I'm wondering what's delaying them from organizing their parade? Fear perhaps?
"As for why doesn't the LGBT community organize pride events in Kosovo, I really have no idea. I don't know that they aren't either. I can't say I have much interest either way. If/when they choose to, I support them."
well, it has struck me as remarkable that while many have posted negative comments about Belgrade when it came to gay parades, including pro-Albanian posters, everyone stayed silent when the suggested venue is "Kosova". Seems to me there's double standards going on.
"Like I said to ecoman, I since I don't live in Kosovo and have visited only once, it's kind of abstract and hard to care about."
well, I don't think many Serbians feel same the way that you do.
"Definitely doesn't have much to do with Belgrade, whatever the case.
(Danilo, 4 October 2012 13:56)"
well, again, methinks many Serbians would disagree with you that "Kosova" doesn't have much to do with Belgrade.
since you don't like honestly, here's another example of "serbs having no problem with homosexuality"
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=129_1181518971
I don't hear anyone shouting "down with the government", as people like to claim that these "protests" are 'against the government". They're shouting "kill the fags"
Well, since I don't know all Serbs, I guess you're right. I should have said "why do MANY Serbs, particularly on this forum..."
As for why doesn't the LGBT community organize pride events in Kosovo, I really have no idea. I don't know that they aren't either. I can't say I have much interest either way. If/when they choose to, I support them.
Like I said to ecoman, I since I don't live in Kosovo and have visited only once, it's kind of abstract and hard to care about.
Definitely doesn't have much to do with Belgrade, whatever the case.
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