SPC condemns possible removal of church in Kosovo

That so called church should never have been built in the first place. It's an eyesore.

The cultural genocide continues. Ethnic cleansing was not enough, nor were Serbian kidneys and other vital organs. Next are Serbian religious and historical sites. Because getting rid of the people is only part of it, but the fact that the oldest infrastructure on Kosovo i Metohija are Serbian, that is point blank proof who the holy occupied province really belongs too.

The Rule of Law can only be applied in the occupied province when Serbian military and police return to liberate Kosovo i Metohija. Then finally, peace, equality and reconciliation can begin to happen. Until then, the conflict is only temporarily frozen until the geopolitical reality of the Balkans changes.

But it is unfinished and there are no plans for it's completion, so what is the issue?

Recycling a half built building is a senisble idea.

The SPC is making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

this unfinished church should be turned into a memorial site for the people who died during the war, which as everybody in the world knows, except Serbia, was started by Serbia. A memorial site for all victims is needed, and there is no better place for it than this church, which right now is unfinished and a ruin.

There is no limit to Albanian intolerance and inhumanity. This is a shameful proposition by an ethnic group that is hell bent on totally eradicating another ethnic group from its ancestral lands. Will the EU stand by and allow it to happen, like they allowed the 2004 pogrom of Serbs by crazed Albanian separatists?

on the property rights of the SPC, which in the early 1990s obtained a building permit for this church in centre of Priština in keeping with the law,

What Law? In 1990, Serbs invented their own laws to do as they please when it came to private(Albanian) and Municipality's properties. god knows how many building were build during that time and named as Serb orthodox churches!.
cry me river now.

Jovan

nice threat dude. however, read this carefuly, you will NOT live to see this alleged 'liberation' happen. so enjoy the ride sunshine

An Albanian once told me 'The biggest mistake of the Ottomans was not destroying ALL the churches, we will not make the same mistake. No churches no serbians'
The Pristina shell is maybe an eyesore, but no more so than some of the other concrete Monstrosities that have appeared these past years. The Authorities in Pristina have the power to have the Church completed, as opposed to demolished. The question is whether they have the will?
For all their bombastic blustrering, the KAlb are still fearful of a return of the Serb. Any opportunity to diminish that fear is eagerly grabbed, destroying heritage is the easiest .

Personally I think that Prishtina has far too many religious buidlings, be they Islamic, Catholic or Orthodox. And there is certainly no need to build more! What Prishtina needs is improvements to its infrastructure, roads, ets.
But going back to this story, this church (and I can remember this very well) was built in the mid-90s during the height of Milosevic's repression/aggression against Albanians. The church was nothing but a political manifestation against the majority population in Prishtina and has no (nor did it ever have) any actual religious meaning. I don't actually think that there ever was any religious activity in this church, ever! It was just another attempt by Milosevic to 'mytholigise' the Serbian presence in Prishtina through a pathatic, quasi-religious, full-on nationalisitic propaganda. Moreover teh church is actually built on univeristy property and building licence that the SPC mentions was obtained illigally from a corrupt SPS authority in Prishtina during the most dark period of the 90s.

full preservation of the church-building - but it should never be turned into a church. Milosevic built it in the University property to demonstrate his oppression against Albanians!
If a new church is needed in Prishtina - fine by all means! But not this one!

the destruction of a Christian church in the centre, which has been for years now used as a landfill and public toilet, send a message to the world about open intolerance and religious hatred
Maybe they should think about their press release before they send it to the "world" I think most people throughout the world would agree with tearing down an abandoned unfinished church which had been use for a landfill and public toilet for Years. If the desire or the need to finish it by the Serbian Church and they wish to just allow it to sit there as a unfinshed trash heap. I don't see a huge push for their cause ever coming.

But look at this way the Serbs can rebuild it 500 years from now on after their planned take over of Kosovo.

"There is no limit to Albanian intolerance and inhumanity."

Dude, it is you people who believe in radical imaginary voodoo friends.

"This is a shameful proposition by an ethnic group that is hell bent on totally eradicating another ethnic group"


Another ethnic group? What are you on about? Religion is not an ethnic group, just voodoo brainwashing from 6000 years ago.

"from its ancestral lands."

You got proof that Kosovo is the birthplace for all the Slavs? Otherwise look at Sorboi in East Germany, much older and wiser than you lost refugees.

"Will the EU stand by and allow it to happen, like they allowed the 2004 pogrom of Serbs by crazed Albanian separatists?
(ecoman"

Independence was in 2008, and since than imaginary friends, holy myths, past lies and tons of bs is all you guys yap about.

Get of of your imaginary friends thou.

the only connotation that this church has, is a direct link to Sloba.

"Let's be honest in what actually happened"

Yes, let's be honest.

Being honest about this situation involves not completely disregarding the disenfranchisement of ethnic albanians by removing their autonomy, dissolving their parliament, firing albanian civil servants and replacing them with Serbs.

Being honest takes into account the Serbian government's role in constitutional changes in the late 80s

"The idea that the church should be turned into a memorial museum of Kosovo Albanians is particularly cynical and immoral, taking into account that almost the entire Serb population was forced to leave Priština, so now only around 50 elderly people remained out of 40, 000 Serbs," the eparchy added.

Maybe Kosovo Albanians could turn it into a memorial of ethnic cleansing and church destruction - the base Kosovo was build on?

We dont need religious buildings close to our schools and universities, Kosovo is not Serbia.

"Moreover teh church is actually built on univeristy property and building licence that the SPC mentions was obtained illigally from a corrupt SPS authority in Prishtina during the most dark period of the 90s."
(adrian kola, 3 October 2012 11:12)

As if illegal buildings and dubious building licenses would be a problem in the independent corruption state of Kosovo. Maybe you should remove Thaci's villa, it's located at a place where normally no settlements are allowed.

This proves that the Serb colonisation continued until the present day; that church that was started in the 90's is as old as this governments constitution regarding Kosovo.

Wrong, Bill, the civil war in KiM was started by the KLA. It was an armed separatist Albanian attempt to gain more freedom from Belgrade rule. The tactics of the KLA were terroristic, and it was Milosevic's response that led to full blown civil war. Let's be honest in what actually happened. I do don't condone Milosevic's heavy hand response, but it was a response. Should the Serbian authorities have done nothing, and allow the KLA to murder Serbian police, civilians, at will?

Calm down Serbs. I have been at this "church". It is not a church, its an unfinished building. Since, it was build without a valid permit on university property, it should be knocked down. I think everyone will benefit more from having more university buildings and less religious edifices. While we are on the subject, lets also knock down some of the mosques as well. No need to owe the Saudis anything.

Ecoman
No I think it’s better to turn this empty house into a functioning building that serves a good and meaningful purpose for all the peoples of Kosova rather than keep it as it is i.e. a half-finished ugly piece of architecture designed with the sole purpose of inciting hatred and forcing further divisions between Albanians and Serbs. The building could be turned into a gallery, a museum, or into something that can bind people together regardless if they are Serb or Albanian where they can reflect about the past and think towards a better future.
By actually constructing or rebuilding this church, (which again was built with the sole intention of forging a Serbian identity in this quintessentially Albanian town), we would only be materialising and helping Sloba’s vicious campaign and dream of ethnic-cleansing and .
Lastly, I don’t want to get into the topic of ‘Muslims this and Muslims that’ because I don’t consider myself a Muslim or a member of any other religious group for that matter. I am Albanian and I think as an Albanian. We are very tolerant people, we have 4 faiths and are renowned to be the most tolerant nation on earth!

I do don't condone Milosevic's heavy hand response, but it was a response. Should the Serbian authorities have done nothing, and allow the KLA to murder Serbian police, civilians, at will?
(ecoman, 3 October 2012 12:03)
And as long as the Albanians remembered their place and lived peacefully under oppression without the same rights as Serbs you were happy and so should they have been, right? After all Albanians don't deserve the same things do they?

I agree with one of the contributors here, the K-albanians fear the return of the Serbs.

and with reason. because what we have seen the Albanians doing in the last 13 years shows that they must not be left alone in southern Serbia.

once, when Milosevic was in power, I had sympathy for the Albanians in KiM. but that is over now. now I know for myself who and what the Albanians are, and there will be only one choice for them when the time has come: either stay and live within serbian borders, in a civilized manner or going back to Albania, where they actually came from.

rest assured my dear k-albanian friends, it is only a question of time.

The news points it out that there is no problem at all to build a church. The Catholic Mother Cathedral which is one of the biggest churches in the whole Balkans proves it and was welcomed by the whole population. The Orthodoxian ruin (it is no finished building) started construction during the Milosevic rule and had never consent from the people living there. It was build on the property of the University where Serbs shut down many facutlies by force. That ruin has no right to stay there and must be removed immediately.

" taking into account that almost the entire Serb population was forced to leave Priština, so now only around 50 elderly people remained out of 40, 000 Serbs "
Well 12 000+ Albanians lived in North kosovo but they were also forced out by Serb mobs, now less then 4000 lives in north kosovo.

ecoman

right...,except, I already am seeing it :-) for example, a Kosovar passport accepted in EVERY EU state (including those that have withheld recognition), as well as the US, Canda, Japan, Australia, South Koera etal. the ability to enrol in a foreign Uni. as a Kosovar citizen. same for job applications (of course, providing that visa regulations are met, but the principle is the same) ability to enact laws COMPLETELY free of Blegrade. I mean, if Kosova was really a part of Serbia, I'd be jailed for breaking the law...,right? now smile :-)

I say the government should donate the space to the Kosovo LGBT community - now that would be a fair solution!

In Kosovo, the chief Islamic cleric since 2003, Naim Ternava, encourages Saudi-financed Wahhabism. These Wahhabis and other radicals have entered Kosovo, preaching Islamist militancy.

In 2011 the extremist, Ternava, purged the Faculty of Islamic Studies in Prishtina and revoked the academic autonomy of the faculty, dismissing seven well-qualified and experienced professors and replaced them with radicals. The rigid and radical interpretation of Islam is established by Ternava in Prishtina and promoted throughout Kosovo.

If you need a reason for Serbia not to join the EU this is it. It's truly a great shame that western countries don't stand up against such evils comming from albanians. Albanians have shown that they are the most intollerant people in the world, together with Talibans and Ql quaida.

This is the continuation the Thaci and KLA policy to destroy all the serbian orthodox churches in Kosovo. If so many weren't guarded by nato they would all be destroyed. Sometimes NATO allows albanian to destroy the churches if the crowd is big enough like in 2004 but this is just the policy of the government. To destroy all the serbian orthodox churches in kosovo. the fact that this one is unfinished gives them more cover but the policy is clear and has been clear for over 10 years. Albanians want all the serbian orthodox things in kosovo destroyed and no one can dispute that.

adrian kola, don't you then think that the KiM Albanians should then finish this church in question, and show to the world their tolerance for all minorities in KiM? It would be a great gesture towards establishing "good neighbor relations", and go a long ways towards establishing some peace in this part of the Balkans. Instead, to add salt to the wound, some Albanians propose converting an Orthodox church, whether finished or not, into a monument for Kosovo Albanians. This is not unlike what the Ottoman Turks did with Hagia Sophia, a former Orthodox basilica in Constantinople - converting it into a mosque, and now a museum. Say what you want, but muslims are not very tolerant people.

And you Nikolle, will not live to see an independent Albanian KiM. You may think you are independent, because there is not a Serb presence, but K Albos cannot fart without permission from the EU or the USA. You truly believe that that independence? If it is, enjoy it, sunshine.

All rhetoric with no action. Nothing is going to happen to the church. Besides, reading how it's used as a landfill and another place for Albanians to poop in, removing it sounds like it would seriously undercut Pristina's sanitation facilities. Having been to what passes as the "capital" of this lovely little statelet, I find it really hard to accept the argument of it being an "eyesore", what with all others gems of architectural perversions dotting the skyline :)

Being honest about this situation involves not completely disregarding the disenfranchisement of ethnic albanians by removing their autonomy, dissolving their parliament, firing albanian civil servants and replacing them with Serbs.

Being honest takes into account the Serbian government's role in constitutional changes in the late 80s
(Danilo, 3 October 2012 13:27)
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LOL you know your a fifth columnist when...90% of your comment is liked by Albanians.

Ari.

I wasn't aware that ethnic identity was recorded along with mouse-clicks.

Perhaps you'd also like to address the point I made. KLA didn't just happen "out of the blue" and problems in Kosovo didn't start in 1998.

Aren't you interested in honestly analyzing an important situation in your homeland?

(Danilo, 3 October 2012 18:43)

The KLA was created not because of some gross infringments of human rights (like Serbs below the Ibar have to deal with on a daily basis), but simply an attempt by an ethnic minority to strip away land they were living on from the country it belongs too.

The Serbian state did not wake up one day in the 90's, in the midst of having to support the Serbian people's efforts in Republika Srpska & Krajina, decide they were going to harass the Albanian population in Serbia's own southern province.

But murdering police officers was met with a harsh retaliation for the terrorists responsible, and some 'outsiders', for reasons I don't even want to know, saw an interest in supporting a known terrorist group.

You have absolutely no opinion on the mistreating of Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija, and sometimes even rationalizing it and making excuses why that's really ok. By all objective accounts, you are a self hating Serb, a traitor, izdajica... ect.

And that right there is the biggest Serbian problem. Disunity and more importantly a segment of the population who is repulsed by being Serbian. The majority of Serbs in the world see things differently, but then there is Danilo.

And that's how it will always be. Hopefully Serbs take their country back from you self serving traitors, but this will likely be the biggest Serbian struggle for decades to come... And on it goes this thing of ours.

Adrian koa, when you turn your newly built shiny mosques into museums then you can ask Serbs to do the same with a church.

No problem. Serbs can demolish the Tri Solitera building in northern Mitrovica and displace the Albanian population there to rebuild their church. Unwanted eyesores come in various shapes.

Ari.

Those things you speak of happened after Albanians were disenfranchised in their own land in 1989.

"No it isn't but I can bet you that none of the Serbs posting here ever agree with you."

I'd make the bet that Serbs reading this are agreeing with me


"C'mon, you have commons sense don't you."


I sure do.

I've stated some well documented and indisputable facts on here and no one has yet to disagree with me, only cry because I said it.

After all, this started with, "let's be honest".

The "SPC" is soo weak and devided like no other church, its like the Serbian people himself. The "SPC" would need a strong movement of the normal people to replace all the old guys there.

I wasn't aware that ethnic identity was recorded along with mouse-clicks.
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No it isn't but I can bet you that none of the Serbs posting here ever agree with you so who do you think approves of your comments then?
C'mon, you have commons sense don't you.

Is a building that should be renovated or pulled with bager because in that state as it is without a completed project constitutes a permanent danger to children who play in it, because it can fall any stone from high and cause danger to children, now do you have a clear, or just propaganda and nationalism that has obscured the eyes and choked from a generation to another!

I don't see why the Serbian nationalists are upset or surprised by this.

The Serbian Nationalists violate the rights of minorities in Belgrade by banning freedom of speech, petition, protest, and assembly, justifying their actions because 'the majority of citizens are opposed to the particalar minority'.

So Kosovo has decided to the the same to its' minority in Pristina, probably using the same rationale. Except in this case its not a bunch of Serbian nationalists hooligans and violent thugs, cheered on by the Patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church abusing Gay persons (and denying them by threat of violence, its the Kosovo government attempting to do something with some property that the Serbian Orthodox Church has claimed.

While I think that EVERYONE should be protected from denials of basic rights (of which property is one, as well as the rights of LGBT persons to protest publically on the streets of its capital), understand that its hard to be a group of towering hypocrites, the Serbian Orthodoxers/Nationalists and their supporters. And that includes violent Serbian homophobes, cowardly Serbian police forces, weak Serbian politicians, and Patriarch Irinej.

Adrian koa, when you turn your newly built shiny mosques into museums then you can ask Serbs to do the same with a church.
(Peggy, 3 October 2012 22:58)
The key to your comment is in 2 words "newly built" it would make sense if you said started but never completed and abandoned or possibly the resaon for it to start with. It was started by Milosevic in the middle of the Albanian capital not for Serbs to worship in but to show Albanians who was in charge, like a dog who marks his territory.
This building has never been a church, has no historic value, and until it was announced to do something else with it had no Serbian value.

"Let's be honest in what actually happened"

Yes, let's be honest.

Being honest about this situation involves not completely disregarding the disenfranchisement of ethnic albanians by removing their autonomy, dissolving their parliament, firing albanian civil servants and replacing them with Serbs.

Being honest takes into account the Serbian government's role in constitutional changes in the late 80s
(Danilo, 3 October 2012 13:27)

Before Milosevic Serbian population had to leave Kosovo under Albanian pressure with the perspective of pure Albanian Kosovo in the nearest future. That's why all the troubles began.

I do don't condone Milosevic's heavy hand response, but it was a response. Should the Serbian authorities have done nothing, and allow the KLA to murder Serbian police, civilians, at will?
(ecoman, 3 October 2012 12:03)
And as long as the Albanians remembered their place and lived peacefully under oppression without the same rights as Serbs you were happy and so should they have been, right? After all Albanians don't deserve the same things do they?
(a New Day, 3 October 2012 14:54)

Before Milosevic Albanians had all rights, the same rights as Serbs and everybody else in YU, still they wanted all Kosovo for themselves and pushed Serbs out.

did this "pressure to leave" include "buying property at above-market price from Serbs"?

Wouldn't mind some of that "pressure" myself :)

ecoman

right...,except, I already am seeing it :-) for example, a Kosovar passport accepted in EVERY EU state (including those that have withheld recognition), as well as the US, Canda, Japan, Australia, South Koera etal.
(Nikolle, 3 October 2012 15:40)

Yes, but you cannot travel to North Korea, dear LOL

Before Milosevic Albanians had all rights, the same rights as Serbs and everybody else in YU, still they wanted all Kosovo for themselves and pushed Serbs out.
(aaayyy, 4 October 2012 20:54)

But I thought you said that it was the KLA that pushed Serbs out; now it appears all Albanians in Kosovo engaged in such criminal activity :)

But I thought you said that it was the KLA that pushed Serbs out; now it appears all Albanians in Kosovo engaged in such criminal activity :)
(icj1, 6 October 2012 03:00)
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Albanians / KLA, six of one, half a dozen of the other.

That so called church should never have been built in the first place. It's an eyesore.

The cultural genocide continues. Ethnic cleansing was not enough, nor were Serbian kidneys and other vital organs. Next are Serbian religious and historical sites. Because getting rid of the people is only part of it, but the fact that the oldest infrastructure on Kosovo i Metohija are Serbian, that is point blank proof who the holy occupied province really belongs too.

The Rule of Law can only be applied in the occupied province when Serbian military and police return to liberate Kosovo i Metohija. Then finally, peace, equality and reconciliation can begin to happen. Until then, the conflict is only temporarily frozen until the geopolitical reality of the Balkans changes.

But it is unfinished and there are no plans for it's completion, so what is the issue?

Recycling a half built building is a senisble idea.

The SPC is making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

this unfinished church should be turned into a memorial site for the people who died during the war, which as everybody in the world knows, except Serbia, was started by Serbia. A memorial site for all victims is needed, and there is no better place for it than this church, which right now is unfinished and a ruin.

There is no limit to Albanian intolerance and inhumanity. This is a shameful proposition by an ethnic group that is hell bent on totally eradicating another ethnic group from its ancestral lands. Will the EU stand by and allow it to happen, like they allowed the 2004 pogrom of Serbs by crazed Albanian separatists?

I agree with one of the contributors here, the K-albanians fear the return of the Serbs.

and with reason. because what we have seen the Albanians doing in the last 13 years shows that they must not be left alone in southern Serbia.

once, when Milosevic was in power, I had sympathy for the Albanians in KiM. but that is over now. now I know for myself who and what the Albanians are, and there will be only one choice for them when the time has come: either stay and live within serbian borders, in a civilized manner or going back to Albania, where they actually came from.

rest assured my dear k-albanian friends, it is only a question of time.

This proves that the Serb colonisation continued until the present day; that church that was started in the 90's is as old as this governments constitution regarding Kosovo.

"There is no limit to Albanian intolerance and inhumanity."

Dude, it is you people who believe in radical imaginary voodoo friends.

"This is a shameful proposition by an ethnic group that is hell bent on totally eradicating another ethnic group"


Another ethnic group? What are you on about? Religion is not an ethnic group, just voodoo brainwashing from 6000 years ago.

"from its ancestral lands."

You got proof that Kosovo is the birthplace for all the Slavs? Otherwise look at Sorboi in East Germany, much older and wiser than you lost refugees.

"Will the EU stand by and allow it to happen, like they allowed the 2004 pogrom of Serbs by crazed Albanian separatists?
(ecoman"

Independence was in 2008, and since than imaginary friends, holy myths, past lies and tons of bs is all you guys yap about.

Get of of your imaginary friends thou.

the destruction of a Christian church in the centre, which has been for years now used as a landfill and public toilet, send a message to the world about open intolerance and religious hatred
Maybe they should think about their press release before they send it to the "world" I think most people throughout the world would agree with tearing down an abandoned unfinished church which had been use for a landfill and public toilet for Years. If the desire or the need to finish it by the Serbian Church and they wish to just allow it to sit there as a unfinshed trash heap. I don't see a huge push for their cause ever coming.

But look at this way the Serbs can rebuild it 500 years from now on after their planned take over of Kosovo.

Personally I think that Prishtina has far too many religious buidlings, be they Islamic, Catholic or Orthodox. And there is certainly no need to build more! What Prishtina needs is improvements to its infrastructure, roads, ets.
But going back to this story, this church (and I can remember this very well) was built in the mid-90s during the height of Milosevic's repression/aggression against Albanians. The church was nothing but a political manifestation against the majority population in Prishtina and has no (nor did it ever have) any actual religious meaning. I don't actually think that there ever was any religious activity in this church, ever! It was just another attempt by Milosevic to 'mytholigise' the Serbian presence in Prishtina through a pathatic, quasi-religious, full-on nationalisitic propaganda. Moreover teh church is actually built on univeristy property and building licence that the SPC mentions was obtained illigally from a corrupt SPS authority in Prishtina during the most dark period of the 90s.

Wrong, Bill, the civil war in KiM was started by the KLA. It was an armed separatist Albanian attempt to gain more freedom from Belgrade rule. The tactics of the KLA were terroristic, and it was Milosevic's response that led to full blown civil war. Let's be honest in what actually happened. I do don't condone Milosevic's heavy hand response, but it was a response. Should the Serbian authorities have done nothing, and allow the KLA to murder Serbian police, civilians, at will?

the only connotation that this church has, is a direct link to Sloba.

An Albanian once told me 'The biggest mistake of the Ottomans was not destroying ALL the churches, we will not make the same mistake. No churches no serbians'
The Pristina shell is maybe an eyesore, but no more so than some of the other concrete Monstrosities that have appeared these past years. The Authorities in Pristina have the power to have the Church completed, as opposed to demolished. The question is whether they have the will?
For all their bombastic blustrering, the KAlb are still fearful of a return of the Serb. Any opportunity to diminish that fear is eagerly grabbed, destroying heritage is the easiest .

"The idea that the church should be turned into a memorial museum of Kosovo Albanians is particularly cynical and immoral, taking into account that almost the entire Serb population was forced to leave Priština, so now only around 50 elderly people remained out of 40, 000 Serbs," the eparchy added.

Maybe Kosovo Albanians could turn it into a memorial of ethnic cleansing and church destruction - the base Kosovo was build on?

full preservation of the church-building - but it should never be turned into a church. Milosevic built it in the University property to demonstrate his oppression against Albanians!
If a new church is needed in Prishtina - fine by all means! But not this one!

"Moreover teh church is actually built on univeristy property and building licence that the SPC mentions was obtained illigally from a corrupt SPS authority in Prishtina during the most dark period of the 90s."
(adrian kola, 3 October 2012 11:12)

As if illegal buildings and dubious building licenses would be a problem in the independent corruption state of Kosovo. Maybe you should remove Thaci's villa, it's located at a place where normally no settlements are allowed.

adrian kola, don't you then think that the KiM Albanians should then finish this church in question, and show to the world their tolerance for all minorities in KiM? It would be a great gesture towards establishing "good neighbor relations", and go a long ways towards establishing some peace in this part of the Balkans. Instead, to add salt to the wound, some Albanians propose converting an Orthodox church, whether finished or not, into a monument for Kosovo Albanians. This is not unlike what the Ottoman Turks did with Hagia Sophia, a former Orthodox basilica in Constantinople - converting it into a mosque, and now a museum. Say what you want, but muslims are not very tolerant people.

on the property rights of the SPC, which in the early 1990s obtained a building permit for this church in centre of Priština in keeping with the law,

What Law? In 1990, Serbs invented their own laws to do as they please when it came to private(Albanian) and Municipality's properties. god knows how many building were build during that time and named as Serb orthodox churches!.
cry me river now.

Jovan

nice threat dude. however, read this carefuly, you will NOT live to see this alleged 'liberation' happen. so enjoy the ride sunshine

In Kosovo, the chief Islamic cleric since 2003, Naim Ternava, encourages Saudi-financed Wahhabism. These Wahhabis and other radicals have entered Kosovo, preaching Islamist militancy.

In 2011 the extremist, Ternava, purged the Faculty of Islamic Studies in Prishtina and revoked the academic autonomy of the faculty, dismissing seven well-qualified and experienced professors and replaced them with radicals. The rigid and radical interpretation of Islam is established by Ternava in Prishtina and promoted throughout Kosovo.

No problem. Serbs can demolish the Tri Solitera building in northern Mitrovica and displace the Albanian population there to rebuild their church. Unwanted eyesores come in various shapes.

Being honest about this situation involves not completely disregarding the disenfranchisement of ethnic albanians by removing their autonomy, dissolving their parliament, firing albanian civil servants and replacing them with Serbs.

Being honest takes into account the Serbian government's role in constitutional changes in the late 80s
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LOL you know your a fifth columnist when...90% of your comment is liked by Albanians.

(Danilo, 3 October 2012 18:43)

The KLA was created not because of some gross infringments of human rights (like Serbs below the Ibar have to deal with on a daily basis), but simply an attempt by an ethnic minority to strip away land they were living on from the country it belongs too.

The Serbian state did not wake up one day in the 90's, in the midst of having to support the Serbian people's efforts in Republika Srpska & Krajina, decide they were going to harass the Albanian population in Serbia's own southern province.

But murdering police officers was met with a harsh retaliation for the terrorists responsible, and some 'outsiders', for reasons I don't even want to know, saw an interest in supporting a known terrorist group.

You have absolutely no opinion on the mistreating of Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija, and sometimes even rationalizing it and making excuses why that's really ok. By all objective accounts, you are a self hating Serb, a traitor, izdajica... ect.

And that right there is the biggest Serbian problem. Disunity and more importantly a segment of the population who is repulsed by being Serbian. The majority of Serbs in the world see things differently, but then there is Danilo.

And that's how it will always be. Hopefully Serbs take their country back from you self serving traitors, but this will likely be the biggest Serbian struggle for decades to come... And on it goes this thing of ours.

And you Nikolle, will not live to see an independent Albanian KiM. You may think you are independent, because there is not a Serb presence, but K Albos cannot fart without permission from the EU or the USA. You truly believe that that independence? If it is, enjoy it, sunshine.

Ecoman
No I think it’s better to turn this empty house into a functioning building that serves a good and meaningful purpose for all the peoples of Kosova rather than keep it as it is i.e. a half-finished ugly piece of architecture designed with the sole purpose of inciting hatred and forcing further divisions between Albanians and Serbs. The building could be turned into a gallery, a museum, or into something that can bind people together regardless if they are Serb or Albanian where they can reflect about the past and think towards a better future.
By actually constructing or rebuilding this church, (which again was built with the sole intention of forging a Serbian identity in this quintessentially Albanian town), we would only be materialising and helping Sloba’s vicious campaign and dream of ethnic-cleansing and .
Lastly, I don’t want to get into the topic of ‘Muslims this and Muslims that’ because I don’t consider myself a Muslim or a member of any other religious group for that matter. I am Albanian and I think as an Albanian. We are very tolerant people, we have 4 faiths and are renowned to be the most tolerant nation on earth!

If you need a reason for Serbia not to join the EU this is it. It's truly a great shame that western countries don't stand up against such evils comming from albanians. Albanians have shown that they are the most intollerant people in the world, together with Talibans and Ql quaida.

We dont need religious buildings close to our schools and universities, Kosovo is not Serbia.

"Let's be honest in what actually happened"

Yes, let's be honest.

Being honest about this situation involves not completely disregarding the disenfranchisement of ethnic albanians by removing their autonomy, dissolving their parliament, firing albanian civil servants and replacing them with Serbs.

Being honest takes into account the Serbian government's role in constitutional changes in the late 80s

" taking into account that almost the entire Serb population was forced to leave Priština, so now only around 50 elderly people remained out of 40, 000 Serbs "
Well 12 000+ Albanians lived in North kosovo but they were also forced out by Serb mobs, now less then 4000 lives in north kosovo.

ecoman

right...,except, I already am seeing it :-) for example, a Kosovar passport accepted in EVERY EU state (including those that have withheld recognition), as well as the US, Canda, Japan, Australia, South Koera etal. the ability to enrol in a foreign Uni. as a Kosovar citizen. same for job applications (of course, providing that visa regulations are met, but the principle is the same) ability to enact laws COMPLETELY free of Blegrade. I mean, if Kosova was really a part of Serbia, I'd be jailed for breaking the law...,right? now smile :-)

Ari.

I wasn't aware that ethnic identity was recorded along with mouse-clicks.

Perhaps you'd also like to address the point I made. KLA didn't just happen "out of the blue" and problems in Kosovo didn't start in 1998.

Aren't you interested in honestly analyzing an important situation in your homeland?

Ari.

Those things you speak of happened after Albanians were disenfranchised in their own land in 1989.

Calm down Serbs. I have been at this "church". It is not a church, its an unfinished building. Since, it was build without a valid permit on university property, it should be knocked down. I think everyone will benefit more from having more university buildings and less religious edifices. While we are on the subject, lets also knock down some of the mosques as well. No need to owe the Saudis anything.

I say the government should donate the space to the Kosovo LGBT community - now that would be a fair solution!

The news points it out that there is no problem at all to build a church. The Catholic Mother Cathedral which is one of the biggest churches in the whole Balkans proves it and was welcomed by the whole population. The Orthodoxian ruin (it is no finished building) started construction during the Milosevic rule and had never consent from the people living there. It was build on the property of the University where Serbs shut down many facutlies by force. That ruin has no right to stay there and must be removed immediately.

I do don't condone Milosevic's heavy hand response, but it was a response. Should the Serbian authorities have done nothing, and allow the KLA to murder Serbian police, civilians, at will?
(ecoman, 3 October 2012 12:03)
And as long as the Albanians remembered their place and lived peacefully under oppression without the same rights as Serbs you were happy and so should they have been, right? After all Albanians don't deserve the same things do they?

All rhetoric with no action. Nothing is going to happen to the church. Besides, reading how it's used as a landfill and another place for Albanians to poop in, removing it sounds like it would seriously undercut Pristina's sanitation facilities. Having been to what passes as the "capital" of this lovely little statelet, I find it really hard to accept the argument of it being an "eyesore", what with all others gems of architectural perversions dotting the skyline :)

Is a building that should be renovated or pulled with bager because in that state as it is without a completed project constitutes a permanent danger to children who play in it, because it can fall any stone from high and cause danger to children, now do you have a clear, or just propaganda and nationalism that has obscured the eyes and choked from a generation to another!

I wasn't aware that ethnic identity was recorded along with mouse-clicks.
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No it isn't but I can bet you that none of the Serbs posting here ever agree with you so who do you think approves of your comments then?
C'mon, you have commons sense don't you.

Adrian koa, when you turn your newly built shiny mosques into museums then you can ask Serbs to do the same with a church.

"No it isn't but I can bet you that none of the Serbs posting here ever agree with you."

I'd make the bet that Serbs reading this are agreeing with me


"C'mon, you have commons sense don't you."


I sure do.

I've stated some well documented and indisputable facts on here and no one has yet to disagree with me, only cry because I said it.

After all, this started with, "let's be honest".

The "SPC" is soo weak and devided like no other church, its like the Serbian people himself. The "SPC" would need a strong movement of the normal people to replace all the old guys there.

This is the continuation the Thaci and KLA policy to destroy all the serbian orthodox churches in Kosovo. If so many weren't guarded by nato they would all be destroyed. Sometimes NATO allows albanian to destroy the churches if the crowd is big enough like in 2004 but this is just the policy of the government. To destroy all the serbian orthodox churches in kosovo. the fact that this one is unfinished gives them more cover but the policy is clear and has been clear for over 10 years. Albanians want all the serbian orthodox things in kosovo destroyed and no one can dispute that.

did this "pressure to leave" include "buying property at above-market price from Serbs"?

Wouldn't mind some of that "pressure" myself :)

I don't see why the Serbian nationalists are upset or surprised by this.

The Serbian Nationalists violate the rights of minorities in Belgrade by banning freedom of speech, petition, protest, and assembly, justifying their actions because 'the majority of citizens are opposed to the particalar minority'.

So Kosovo has decided to the the same to its' minority in Pristina, probably using the same rationale. Except in this case its not a bunch of Serbian nationalists hooligans and violent thugs, cheered on by the Patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church abusing Gay persons (and denying them by threat of violence, its the Kosovo government attempting to do something with some property that the Serbian Orthodox Church has claimed.

While I think that EVERYONE should be protected from denials of basic rights (of which property is one, as well as the rights of LGBT persons to protest publically on the streets of its capital), understand that its hard to be a group of towering hypocrites, the Serbian Orthodoxers/Nationalists and their supporters. And that includes violent Serbian homophobes, cowardly Serbian police forces, weak Serbian politicians, and Patriarch Irinej.

Adrian koa, when you turn your newly built shiny mosques into museums then you can ask Serbs to do the same with a church.
(Peggy, 3 October 2012 22:58)
The key to your comment is in 2 words "newly built" it would make sense if you said started but never completed and abandoned or possibly the resaon for it to start with. It was started by Milosevic in the middle of the Albanian capital not for Serbs to worship in but to show Albanians who was in charge, like a dog who marks his territory.
This building has never been a church, has no historic value, and until it was announced to do something else with it had no Serbian value.

I do don't condone Milosevic's heavy hand response, but it was a response. Should the Serbian authorities have done nothing, and allow the KLA to murder Serbian police, civilians, at will?
(ecoman, 3 October 2012 12:03)
And as long as the Albanians remembered their place and lived peacefully under oppression without the same rights as Serbs you were happy and so should they have been, right? After all Albanians don't deserve the same things do they?
(a New Day, 3 October 2012 14:54)

Before Milosevic Albanians had all rights, the same rights as Serbs and everybody else in YU, still they wanted all Kosovo for themselves and pushed Serbs out.

"Let's be honest in what actually happened"

Yes, let's be honest.

Being honest about this situation involves not completely disregarding the disenfranchisement of ethnic albanians by removing their autonomy, dissolving their parliament, firing albanian civil servants and replacing them with Serbs.

Being honest takes into account the Serbian government's role in constitutional changes in the late 80s
(Danilo, 3 October 2012 13:27)

Before Milosevic Serbian population had to leave Kosovo under Albanian pressure with the perspective of pure Albanian Kosovo in the nearest future. That's why all the troubles began.

ecoman

right...,except, I already am seeing it :-) for example, a Kosovar passport accepted in EVERY EU state (including those that have withheld recognition), as well as the US, Canda, Japan, Australia, South Koera etal.
(Nikolle, 3 October 2012 15:40)

Yes, but you cannot travel to North Korea, dear LOL

Before Milosevic Albanians had all rights, the same rights as Serbs and everybody else in YU, still they wanted all Kosovo for themselves and pushed Serbs out.
(aaayyy, 4 October 2012 20:54)

But I thought you said that it was the KLA that pushed Serbs out; now it appears all Albanians in Kosovo engaged in such criminal activity :)

But I thought you said that it was the KLA that pushed Serbs out; now it appears all Albanians in Kosovo engaged in such criminal activity :)
(icj1, 6 October 2012 03:00)
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Albanians / KLA, six of one, half a dozen of the other.