It is impossible to join EU and keep Kosovo, says EP rep

Let's se how they are gone spin this. There is no way to keep something that was never yours man.

Now the rush of everyone saying how can they make these new conditions.
It has been said time and time and time again, it is not expected that Serbia recognize Kosovo but they cannot continue to claim it.
Pure and simple and nothing new.

Not all UN member states recognize Serbia's sovereignty over Kosovo. But the majority do and that is a great! Not to mention the overwhelming majority of states that DID recognize Kosovo's UDI are mini puppet states which did so under pressure from larger states that yield great influence over them. Hence when that influence fades, so to will this illegal state called Kosovo.

Time for Serbia to forget eu and be neutral because we cannot join without Kosovo which is ours from sixth century and will be ours till giant red star swallow the earth in 5 billion years. It make no sense to be in union that mostly recognize Kosovo as independent and that force Serbia to leave our province outside when we join. We loose too much in these past 20 year and now it time to stop nonsense. They took Krajina and Montenegro away and block RS from joining Serbia and now they want Kosovo and this we won't give because this our heartland and we must defend it until death. But shameful DS are gone and now we have SNS and they will not allow and after they secure our Kosovo they will help RS to get independent and join with Serbia and then it will be Montenegro next because there are 350.000 Serbs here and then we can make some deal with Croatia about Krajina because 250.000 Serbs waiting to move back to their land there.

We know. I would just pass entering EU.

Not to mention the overwhelming majority of states that DID recognize Kosovo's UDI are mini puppet states which did so under pressure from larger states that yield great influence over them. Hence when that influence fades, so to will this illegal state called Kosovo.
(Miki, 29 September 2012 15:58)

I really do not understand you! Who are those mini states that are puppets? Has been 13 years now what "fades" you're talking about. By the way, where are those states to reverse recognize Kosovo's UDI, that your beloved ex FM was mumbling so much? Or it was just mumbling.

Now see, if Serbia really had on claim over Kosovo i Metohija, that statement would not make sense. As for the EU, ya no thanks. We'll join the Eurasian Union which with the combination of Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine=a lot more wealth, resources, OIL and natural gas than the broke EU.

At this point the only thing the EU can do is print more Euros and kick the can down the road for great social unrest in the future. No thanks.

Keep your gay parades, we'll continue to fight for Kosovo i Metohija, diplomatically. And eventually, not so diplomatically, but by any means.

"But 22 did and that is a great majority. They consider Kosovo an independent state and they treat it that way. So it is not possible to have both,” he was quoted as saying."

Those sentences must be cast in iron and hammered on the head to all Serbian politicians so that not a single one can claim otherwise. The Kosovo-and-EU policy failed in the most obvious way.

Gjon,

Mali, for starters was one country that had to have a press release claiming they DID NOT recognize Kosovo as a country when propaganda was being released that they did. Here is a link --> http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/728917.shtml

Israel is just one of the countries who talked about being pressured by western powers to recognize Kosovo. Here is a quote found on Wikipedia:
"Liberman said that his country would be able to withstand the pressure made on it to recognise Kosovo because Israel has "been under pressure since 1948 on many issues and we know how to deal with any pressure".[248] "Israeli officials have confirmed that Israel will remain firm in its stand [on Kosovo],"

There are MANY examples that anyone can find if you are willing to invest the time to LOOK for them. Its not rocket science. Look, any way you slice it Kosovo is an illegal entity. There are international laws and treaties that state that ANY internationally recognized states, such as Serbia (a founding member of the UN) can not have its borders changed against its own will. The Helsinki final act signed by thirty-five states, including the USA, Canada, and most European states except Albania guaranteed the following: Sovereign equality, respect for the rights inherent in sovereignty. Refraining from the threat or use of force. Inviolability of frontiers. Territorial integrity of States. Peaceful settlement of disputes. Non-intervention in internal affairs

It is way better for Serbia to sign it on the table and get rid of the illegal structures in the north of Kosova and join the EU then embarrass the whole nation of Serbia like they did in ''Srpska Krajina''Knin.That way you will stay without Kosovo and no EU,isolated from the whole world and Vojvodina will be next.Use your brain if you have it at all.

Gajo. Last time I went to Tokyo I meet 2 Serbian girls there. Maybe you want ti claim
That too. Lol

Read gajo's comment. That will explain it all whAt the Serbs really want but they will never get. They want more land and sea port. Lol move to Vladivostok gajo

Serbia must stay out of the EU, like Switzerland and Norway. It is foolish to put itself under the dictates of an entity which has shown malice towards Serbs and Serbia. Serbia has wasted too much time trying to please the EU and it has enacted so many EU-pushed policies to the detriment of itself. Serbia would free up much time and energy towards bettering itself if it would stop focusing on the EU as the end-all and be-all.

Mr. Kukan,

Why isn't the whole of EU recognizing Kosovo then? Spain? Well, because Spain knows: then Catalonia can be next. And Spain is right on this issue.
Be wise: unrecognize Kosovo and start real negotiations!

Man speak truth.
No chance now for Serbian double-game of begging west but not accept Kosova.

Look, any way you slice it Kosovo is an illegal entity. There are international laws and treaties that state that ANY internationally recognized states, such as Serbia (a founding member of the UN) can not have its borders changed against its own will. The Helsinki final act signed by thirty-five states, including the USA, Canada, and most European states except Albania guaranteed the following: Sovereign equality, respect for the rights inherent in sovereignty. Refraining from the threat or use of force. Inviolability of frontiers. Territorial integrity of States. Peaceful settlement of disputes. Non-intervention in internal affairs
(Miki, 29 September 2012 21:44)

Sure, dear, you are absolutely correct. The issue is that there was no other state that attacked Serbia and took Kosovo away. Kosovo declared independence and until it became independent it was not a subject of any of the laws above because they are international laws; i.e. laws that regulate conduct between states, and Kosovo was not a state before the UDI. What you're saying is that Kosovo was a state before the UDI which I'm sure the overhelming majority of the people in these forums would not agree with :)

Anyway, we're flogging a dead horse here since the accordance of Kosovo's DI with international law has already been confirmed thanks to Vuk's tireless efforts.

Watch Kukan reinterpret his words as Schultz did, but then claimed he didn't. More evidence these people aren't worth a single sheet of toilet paper. Glory to Albanians joining the Eu before the Serbs! Wait for the knife in the back because it is surely coming. Tick tock.

It is way better for Serbia to sign it on the table and get rid of the illegal structures in the north of Kosova and join the EU then embarrass the whole nation of Serbia like they did in ''Srpska Krajina''Knin.That way you will stay without Kosovo and no EU,isolated from the whole world and Vojvodina will be next.Use your brain if you have it at all.
(Dr Smith, 29 September 2012 16:46)

This post is a threat to ethnically cleanse KSerbs if they don't integrate into Albanian life style.

There are MANY examples that anyone can find if you are willing to invest the time to LOOK for them. Its not rocket science. Look, any way you slice it Kosovo is an illegal entity.
(Miki, 29 September 2012 21:44)

There are NOT MANY examples you just trying to cover the truth. Everybody knows Mali was a mistake caused by their own. This was treated in all Albanian media. I asked you where is a 'fade' you talking about after 13 years and where is reverse UDI of states that know Kosovo? They are 91 UN member states that know Kosovo and two others not UN members. None of states that have known Kosovo has reversed their decision. Out of 57 Muslim states only 30 of them have recognized Kosovo, one would think that all of them should, but not. does this tells you anything. And Israel is not a poppet state and not a state to be pressure either. will you please find other example, I will help you with this site of wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Kosovo

And please stop nonsense.

@ We know. I would just pass entering EU.
(Sreten, 29 September

At last! Someone is being realistic here. Better get carrot before you get kicked out from both!
I personally agree that Serbian citizens deserve better life, just as Kosovo people do. Almost 13 years have passed
Since war ended in Kosovo, and I don't see any reason why youth of these two countries do not take opportunities for their own interest, get together end move on into European integrations.

It's always cute to read how Serbia should be like Switzerland and Norway.

It's true!

Also, I should have millions and a private jet-pack to travel around with.

Serbia has wasted too much time trying to please the EU and it has enacted so many EU-pushed policies to the detriment of itself.
(ida, 30 September 2012 07:58)

Not sure which are these EU policies (like rule of law, freedom of expression, independence of courts, remove of customs duties so that Serbia can sell its cheap products in Europe, etc...) that are to the detriment of Serbia... but I trust that you know better.

You are free not to join the EU but, say, Russia whose policies (like rule of the tzar, control of the press by the government, control of the courts by the government, remove of the custom duties so that Russia can sell its cheap goods in Serbia, etc) will really be beneficial to Serbia.

Even if Serbia recognises Kosovo, the EU will still find another goal too acheive to join EU. First it was Milosevic,then Petkovic, then Karadzic then Mladic then Hadzic, then another 40 serbian war heroes who defended their women and children against a barbaric horde of armies, only too be sent off to the hague by their OWN!! people. Just read tarabic's prophercies, we will lose Kosovo and the rest of Serbia, we are a doomed nation. I dont even know why they are bothering to sort this "diplomatically", we have already lost Kosovo since 1999.

(Miki, 29 September 2012 21:44)
It seems like you and the ICJ have a difference of opinion, now the dilemna, trust the opinion of jurists trained all around the world with expererience in International law or you. boy thats a hard one.

Why does the EU have some weird illusion that Kosovo will become some sort of Belgium where the two sides live together with nothing worse than minor annoyance with each other? It's not going to happen, Kosovo is not Belgium, especially when you have the leader of the Kosovo province under suspicion of being involved in drug and organ trafficking.

Gajo. Last time I went to Tokyo I meet 2 Serbian girls there. Maybe you want ti claim
That too. Lol
(Une
Une, there was that one guy that Serbs looked up to that said 'Do Tokija'.

Ari Gold, 29 September 2012 19:48)
Eurasian Union? is that similar to Peter Pans Never, Never land?
So lets see if there were to be one, 15 years to develop the concept, 10 years to develop it and get the core people and 5 years to start admitting new countries, and then 10 years for Serbia to ascend to a vote. 40 years later and the same countries blocking Serbia in the EU would be there blocking Serbia from the EA. Good thought process there.

All EU members recognisez Kosovo, who is this guy anyway ?

Not all UN member states recognize Serbia's sovereignty over Kosovo. But the majority do and that is a great! Not to mention the overwhelming majority of states that DID recognize Kosovo's UDI are mini puppet states which did so under pressure from larger states that yield great influence over them. Hence when that influence fades, so to will this illegal state called Kosovo.

Let's se how they are gone spin this. There is no way to keep something that was never yours man.

Time for Serbia to forget eu and be neutral because we cannot join without Kosovo which is ours from sixth century and will be ours till giant red star swallow the earth in 5 billion years. It make no sense to be in union that mostly recognize Kosovo as independent and that force Serbia to leave our province outside when we join. We loose too much in these past 20 year and now it time to stop nonsense. They took Krajina and Montenegro away and block RS from joining Serbia and now they want Kosovo and this we won't give because this our heartland and we must defend it until death. But shameful DS are gone and now we have SNS and they will not allow and after they secure our Kosovo they will help RS to get independent and join with Serbia and then it will be Montenegro next because there are 350.000 Serbs here and then we can make some deal with Croatia about Krajina because 250.000 Serbs waiting to move back to their land there.

It is way better for Serbia to sign it on the table and get rid of the illegal structures in the north of Kosova and join the EU then embarrass the whole nation of Serbia like they did in ''Srpska Krajina''Knin.That way you will stay without Kosovo and no EU,isolated from the whole world and Vojvodina will be next.Use your brain if you have it at all.

It is way better for Serbia to sign it on the table and get rid of the illegal structures in the north of Kosova and join the EU then embarrass the whole nation of Serbia like they did in ''Srpska Krajina''Knin.That way you will stay without Kosovo and no EU,isolated from the whole world and Vojvodina will be next.Use your brain if you have it at all.
(Dr Smith, 29 September 2012 16:46)

This post is a threat to ethnically cleanse KSerbs if they don't integrate into Albanian life style.

Not to mention the overwhelming majority of states that DID recognize Kosovo's UDI are mini puppet states which did so under pressure from larger states that yield great influence over them. Hence when that influence fades, so to will this illegal state called Kosovo.
(Miki, 29 September 2012 15:58)

I really do not understand you! Who are those mini states that are puppets? Has been 13 years now what "fades" you're talking about. By the way, where are those states to reverse recognize Kosovo's UDI, that your beloved ex FM was mumbling so much? Or it was just mumbling.

Now see, if Serbia really had on claim over Kosovo i Metohija, that statement would not make sense. As for the EU, ya no thanks. We'll join the Eurasian Union which with the combination of Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine=a lot more wealth, resources, OIL and natural gas than the broke EU.

At this point the only thing the EU can do is print more Euros and kick the can down the road for great social unrest in the future. No thanks.

Keep your gay parades, we'll continue to fight for Kosovo i Metohija, diplomatically. And eventually, not so diplomatically, but by any means.

Mr. Kukan,

Why isn't the whole of EU recognizing Kosovo then? Spain? Well, because Spain knows: then Catalonia can be next. And Spain is right on this issue.
Be wise: unrecognize Kosovo and start real negotiations!

"But 22 did and that is a great majority. They consider Kosovo an independent state and they treat it that way. So it is not possible to have both,” he was quoted as saying."

Those sentences must be cast in iron and hammered on the head to all Serbian politicians so that not a single one can claim otherwise. The Kosovo-and-EU policy failed in the most obvious way.

Read gajo's comment. That will explain it all whAt the Serbs really want but they will never get. They want more land and sea port. Lol move to Vladivostok gajo

Gajo. Last time I went to Tokyo I meet 2 Serbian girls there. Maybe you want ti claim
That too. Lol

Gjon,

Mali, for starters was one country that had to have a press release claiming they DID NOT recognize Kosovo as a country when propaganda was being released that they did. Here is a link --> http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/728917.shtml

Israel is just one of the countries who talked about being pressured by western powers to recognize Kosovo. Here is a quote found on Wikipedia:
"Liberman said that his country would be able to withstand the pressure made on it to recognise Kosovo because Israel has "been under pressure since 1948 on many issues and we know how to deal with any pressure".[248] "Israeli officials have confirmed that Israel will remain firm in its stand [on Kosovo],"

There are MANY examples that anyone can find if you are willing to invest the time to LOOK for them. Its not rocket science. Look, any way you slice it Kosovo is an illegal entity. There are international laws and treaties that state that ANY internationally recognized states, such as Serbia (a founding member of the UN) can not have its borders changed against its own will. The Helsinki final act signed by thirty-five states, including the USA, Canada, and most European states except Albania guaranteed the following: Sovereign equality, respect for the rights inherent in sovereignty. Refraining from the threat or use of force. Inviolability of frontiers. Territorial integrity of States. Peaceful settlement of disputes. Non-intervention in internal affairs

We know. I would just pass entering EU.

Serbia must stay out of the EU, like Switzerland and Norway. It is foolish to put itself under the dictates of an entity which has shown malice towards Serbs and Serbia. Serbia has wasted too much time trying to please the EU and it has enacted so many EU-pushed policies to the detriment of itself. Serbia would free up much time and energy towards bettering itself if it would stop focusing on the EU as the end-all and be-all.

Now the rush of everyone saying how can they make these new conditions.
It has been said time and time and time again, it is not expected that Serbia recognize Kosovo but they cannot continue to claim it.
Pure and simple and nothing new.

Even if Serbia recognises Kosovo, the EU will still find another goal too acheive to join EU. First it was Milosevic,then Petkovic, then Karadzic then Mladic then Hadzic, then another 40 serbian war heroes who defended their women and children against a barbaric horde of armies, only too be sent off to the hague by their OWN!! people. Just read tarabic's prophercies, we will lose Kosovo and the rest of Serbia, we are a doomed nation. I dont even know why they are bothering to sort this "diplomatically", we have already lost Kosovo since 1999.

Ari Gold, 29 September 2012 19:48)
Eurasian Union? is that similar to Peter Pans Never, Never land?
So lets see if there were to be one, 15 years to develop the concept, 10 years to develop it and get the core people and 5 years to start admitting new countries, and then 10 years for Serbia to ascend to a vote. 40 years later and the same countries blocking Serbia in the EU would be there blocking Serbia from the EA. Good thought process there.

Man speak truth.
No chance now for Serbian double-game of begging west but not accept Kosova.

Watch Kukan reinterpret his words as Schultz did, but then claimed he didn't. More evidence these people aren't worth a single sheet of toilet paper. Glory to Albanians joining the Eu before the Serbs! Wait for the knife in the back because it is surely coming. Tick tock.

Gajo. Last time I went to Tokyo I meet 2 Serbian girls there. Maybe you want ti claim
That too. Lol
(Une
Une, there was that one guy that Serbs looked up to that said 'Do Tokija'.

Look, any way you slice it Kosovo is an illegal entity. There are international laws and treaties that state that ANY internationally recognized states, such as Serbia (a founding member of the UN) can not have its borders changed against its own will. The Helsinki final act signed by thirty-five states, including the USA, Canada, and most European states except Albania guaranteed the following: Sovereign equality, respect for the rights inherent in sovereignty. Refraining from the threat or use of force. Inviolability of frontiers. Territorial integrity of States. Peaceful settlement of disputes. Non-intervention in internal affairs
(Miki, 29 September 2012 21:44)

Sure, dear, you are absolutely correct. The issue is that there was no other state that attacked Serbia and took Kosovo away. Kosovo declared independence and until it became independent it was not a subject of any of the laws above because they are international laws; i.e. laws that regulate conduct between states, and Kosovo was not a state before the UDI. What you're saying is that Kosovo was a state before the UDI which I'm sure the overhelming majority of the people in these forums would not agree with :)

Anyway, we're flogging a dead horse here since the accordance of Kosovo's DI with international law has already been confirmed thanks to Vuk's tireless efforts.

Why does the EU have some weird illusion that Kosovo will become some sort of Belgium where the two sides live together with nothing worse than minor annoyance with each other? It's not going to happen, Kosovo is not Belgium, especially when you have the leader of the Kosovo province under suspicion of being involved in drug and organ trafficking.

There are MANY examples that anyone can find if you are willing to invest the time to LOOK for them. Its not rocket science. Look, any way you slice it Kosovo is an illegal entity.
(Miki, 29 September 2012 21:44)

There are NOT MANY examples you just trying to cover the truth. Everybody knows Mali was a mistake caused by their own. This was treated in all Albanian media. I asked you where is a 'fade' you talking about after 13 years and where is reverse UDI of states that know Kosovo? They are 91 UN member states that know Kosovo and two others not UN members. None of states that have known Kosovo has reversed their decision. Out of 57 Muslim states only 30 of them have recognized Kosovo, one would think that all of them should, but not. does this tells you anything. And Israel is not a poppet state and not a state to be pressure either. will you please find other example, I will help you with this site of wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Kosovo

And please stop nonsense.

@ We know. I would just pass entering EU.
(Sreten, 29 September

At last! Someone is being realistic here. Better get carrot before you get kicked out from both!
I personally agree that Serbian citizens deserve better life, just as Kosovo people do. Almost 13 years have passed
Since war ended in Kosovo, and I don't see any reason why youth of these two countries do not take opportunities for their own interest, get together end move on into European integrations.

It's always cute to read how Serbia should be like Switzerland and Norway.

It's true!

Also, I should have millions and a private jet-pack to travel around with.

Serbia has wasted too much time trying to please the EU and it has enacted so many EU-pushed policies to the detriment of itself.
(ida, 30 September 2012 07:58)

Not sure which are these EU policies (like rule of law, freedom of expression, independence of courts, remove of customs duties so that Serbia can sell its cheap products in Europe, etc...) that are to the detriment of Serbia... but I trust that you know better.

You are free not to join the EU but, say, Russia whose policies (like rule of the tzar, control of the press by the government, control of the courts by the government, remove of the custom duties so that Russia can sell its cheap goods in Serbia, etc) will really be beneficial to Serbia.

All EU members recognisez Kosovo, who is this guy anyway ?

(Miki, 29 September 2012 21:44)
It seems like you and the ICJ have a difference of opinion, now the dilemna, trust the opinion of jurists trained all around the world with expererience in International law or you. boy thats a hard one.