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Friday, 28.09.2012.

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“Kosovo customs must be status neutral”

New Belgrade team chief Dejan Pavićević says that Serbia will insist on a maximal status neutrality of the Kosovo customs.

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icj1

pre 11 godina

1. Kosovo is only a self-proclaimed pseudo state, with the same status as Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia, Palestine.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

And also the same status of Serbia (and many other countries) which also self-proclaimed its independence
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2. Kosovo will never become an UN member unless a mutual agreement is reached.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

Makes sense… and that mutual agreement will obviously not be anything like "Kosovo is Serbia" because "Kosovo is Serbia" means that Kosovo would not become a UN member anyway
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3. Kosovo will never overcome its economical problems under the current government, they are responsible for the corruption and organized crime that keeps investors away.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

Yes and the same would happen if Kosovo were to be under the current, previous or future Serbian governments (just take a look at Serbia).
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4. Kosovo under its current status is not recognized and can never become an EU member.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

EU does not recognize states. States do recognize states. And there is no EU treaty that prevents non-states from being part of EU (actually there are already many non-state entities that are part of the EU). And there is no EU member state that has ever said that Kosovo will never become an EU member. Unfortunately, "Comm. Parrisson" is not an EU member state.

icj1

pre 11 godina

Remember, we Serbs are very patient and we will wait for the opportune moment.
(Zoran, 28 September 2012 13:43)

of course... what's another 500 years ? nothing

Now, UNSCR 1244 may still be in force in 2512, but guess what... Serbs, as patient people, can just wait another 500 years until 3012 and so on until the Sun explodes 5000000000 years from now :)

icj1

pre 11 godina

You are still in denial, like most K*-Albanians... I dare you to travel from central Serbia to the North of KiM and you can easily take an alternative road, thus bypassing the customs checkpoints or even cross them, it is no big deal.

From central Serbia all through the north of KiM you will not see a sign of "Kosova"* or Albanianism. It is all Serbian my friend, the signs, the cars plates, the infrastructure, the currency - you name it.

Only until you cross the Ibar will you notice Albanianism but even road signs are still in both languages. Then cross over into any Serbian enclave and you are back in little Serbia, signs, currency, etc...
(Zoran, 28 September 2012 20:01)

Ok, great... Albanians are fine with the current status and, most importantly, you are fine with it, too. So all issues have been solved.

too funny

pre 11 godina

(Zoran, 28 September 2012 20:01)
You claim sovereignty by saying we can easily come through a back door or crawl through a window into North Kosovo. What a joke!

Ryan M

pre 11 godina

The only uniformed people that should be at the Kosovo Provincial Boundary with Sumadija/Serbia West and Serbia South-East should be Zandarmerija Srbija to ensure order.

J

pre 11 godina

, we Serbs are very patient and we will wait for the opportune moment.

This is the oxymoron of the century. C'mon dude, patience is definitely not what the Serbs are known for. As a matter of fact unless you've been living under a rock you would know that one thing that unites all balkanians is the total lack of patience. Stop fooling yourself.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

show us a sign of Serbian sovereignity and territorial integrity over Kosovo? I will pay you for it...Please do not make yourself rediculous and say "it is in Serbian constitution.
(EA, 28 September 2012 16:26)
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You are still in denial, like most K*-Albanians... I dare you to travel from central Serbia to the North of KiM and you can easily take an alternative road, thus bypassing the customs checkpoints or even cross them, it is no big deal.

From central Serbia all through the north of KiM you will not see a sign of "Kosova"* or Albanianism. It is all Serbian my friend, the signs, the cars plates, the infrastructure, the currency - you name it.

Only until you cross the Ibar will you notice Albanianism but even road signs are still in both languages. Then cross over into any Serbian enclave and you are back in little Serbia, signs, currency, etc...

onlyme

pre 11 godina

There’s an element of truth in every statement made regardless of how bizarre that statement might initially sound. From this point it’s good to conclude that both camps can be or are partially correct. I think a lot of experts will agree that there is and will always be an element of instability in Kosovo. My own opinion is that whether there would be a war in Kosovo or not will depend entirely on policies Serbia decides to adopt.

eric

pre 11 godina

1. Kosovo is only a self-proclaimed pseudo state, with the same status as Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia, Palestine.
(Kosovo its recognized by over 90 countries soon more to follow)

2. Kosovo will never become an UN member unless a mutual agreement is reached.

(it will soon become because Serbia will suffer thus resulting to recognition of kosovo)

3. Kosovo will never overcome its economical problems under the current government, they are responsible for the corruption and organized crime that keeps investors away.

(kosovo is a free and democratic country ...free from serb oppression and genocide, murders etc. kosovo will never and ever be ruled by serbia never again) investors away???? really? Slovenia, croatia, germany, france, albania, greece, turkey, albania, italy have invested in kosovo

4. Kosovo under its current status is not recognized and can never become an EU member.
(again, kosova is recognized by over 90 countries soon will be a UN member, its only been a few years of its independence.)

5. The only groups that is benefiting from Kosovo's current status are the drug mafia clans who turned Kosovo in Europe's main drug hub and the corrupt politicians who abuse donor money and state money for providing good jobs for their buddies and clan members.

(corruption is everywhere, serbia is more corrupt than kosovo, read some facts

PLUS your just jealous you can never own kosovo, kosovo belongs to the majority people that live there)
(Comm. Parrisson)

ERIC

pss

pre 11 godina

Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)
1. Not exactly true it is recognized 90+ countries, including the most important ones it needs to function.
2. Maybe true butit will never become a UN member as a province of Serbia either will it?
3. The current govt is temporary, it is in all new states or govts for the initial leaders to be the leaders of the revolution. US 1st president Gen George Washington case in point. There will soon be new elections.
4. That one I would not take bets on if I were you. Should it become apparent that Serbia will not be entering the EU, I think you will see a push to quickly admit the rest of the balkans.
5. It will take awhile to shake the lessons learned from the Serbian govt, isn't Milosevic's whole family the prime leaders of the socalled cigarette mafia. Plus most of what flows through the hub in Kosovo travels to Serbia and then to the EU.

Naim

pre 11 godina

I think this young guy lost of what he is talking about..?at least say smth what makes sense, if you say EULEX should be status neutral that could be bit better undrestood. but unfourtunately EULEX work under Republic of Kosovo juridition so it is not possible to be statut neutral.

so many says so many words so many political word and at the end you accept everything.IBM remember is indirect recognition and this puts north under Kosovo umbrella I know some of you don't like to hear this but it is what it is. for us is good to have everything under controll for you is good because you will be a step closer to EU in terms of Kosovo condition but remember EU is not only about Kosovo you should regulate your things at home aswell. corruption, human rights,economical and fiscal rules,ecological reformation, infrastructure and endless things to come.


I hear some of patriots in here they think Kosovo is the only door to get to EU but is not that.

Even Kosovo, we are seperate from you now we will need time to get to EU we need to get first visa regime sorted so the last condition for us is IBM implementation. and then endless conditions to fullfill.
SO YOU WANTED OR NOT THIS IS REALITY.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Do you need more TRUTHS?
(EA, 28 September 2012 14:36)
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Truth or wishful thinking? Like I said before, we've heard them all before from various empires but they are all history now. Nothing is constant except for change. So you can repeat your "TRUTHS" as much as you like but we're not buying it and neither is the majority of the world.

Oh, and the only forces backing up your "TRUTHS" are all on shaky foundations. Cheers!!

EA

pre 11 godina

(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

Comparing your truth and mine truth....show us a sign of Serbian sovereignity and territorial integrity over Kosovo? I will pay you for it...Please do not make yourself rediculous and say "it is in Serbian constitution.

Who controls the borders of Kosovo? Is officially Serbian army and police present in Kosovo....? The new generation in Kosovo barely will speak any Serbian...THESE ARE HARD FACTS!

The issue of Serbia recognising formally Kosovo independence is more to do with her prospects, and ease from uncertinity the lives of Serbs minority living in Kosovo...

KOSO

pre 11 godina

I think it'd be really funny if Kosovo introduced visa requirements for Serbian citizens and for Serbian Diplomatic Passport holders. That way Serbian citizens entering Kosovo on a Serbian passport will have a nice Kosovo stamp/ visa in their passports. And those who object to this will be denied entry.
(Haitian, 28 September 2012 14:21)

Jan 1st, 2013

Sincerely,

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

Do you need more TRUTHS?
(EA, 28 September 2012 14:36)

Maybe do you need some more truths:

1. Kosovo is only a self-proclaimed pseudo state, with the same status as Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia, Palestine.

2. Kosovo will never become an UN member unless a mutual agreement is reached.

3. Kosovo will never overcome its economical problems under the current government, they are responsible for the corruption and organized crime that keeps investors away.

4. Kosovo under its current status is not recognized and can never become an EU member.

5. The only groups that is benefiting from Kosovo's current status are the drug mafia clans who turned Kosovo in Europe's main drug hub and the corrupt politicians who abuse donor money and state money for providing good jobs for their buddies and clan members.

EA

pre 11 godina

"Albanians and their supporters asking for the truth to be revealed. What truth?

(Zoran, 28 September 2012 13:43)

Let me tell you Zoran directlly THE TRUTH that you can not see.

1-Kosovo will never be under Serbian territory of sovereignity again.

2-Serbia lost Kosovo in the war lost triggered by Serbian leader called Slobodan Milloshevic

3-By trying to undo Kosovo independence, Serbian leaders know very well that they do no damn good they there isn't the slightest chance to regain sovereignity and territorial integrity over Kosovo. But they are afraid to tell that truth to Serbian people. What the Serbian leadership is doing instead they are "showing an interest" how to improve the everyday lives of people living in Kosovo. It has NOTHING to do with sovereignity and territorial claim. I repeat NOTHING.

4-Serbia will NEVER be able to join the EU without RECOGNISING FORMALLY Kosovo independence. Anyone in EU saying the opposite is trying to be diplomatic and leave a door open for negotiation.

5-These so-called negotiation will crack very soon because Serbia will use the pretext of "its constitution" to hinder any prospects for talks. It will be back to square one until other Balkan countries come much close to EU than Serbia.

6-Serbia within Russian Federation it is a possibility. Russia might promise Serbia to take Kosovo by force as part of "brotherhood policy". It did well with Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Do you need more TRUTHS?

Haitian

pre 11 godina

I think it'd be really funny if Kosovo introduced visa requirements for Serbian citizens and for Serbian Diplomatic Passport holders. That way Serbian citizens entering Kosovo on a Serbian passport will have a nice Kosovo stamp/ visa in their passports. And those who object to this will be denied entry.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

“Kosovo customs must be status neutral”
--
Sounds good to me. The normal procedure for customs would have two entry/exit points, one with "Nothing to declare" and another with "Something to declare".

So in other words, everyone with nothing to declare goes straight through with the occasional suspicious car/person stopped for checking and those with something to declare get stopped. As this is customs only, no ID or passports are usually required. Now, that is status neutrality and should be implemented at the two administrative points that Serbs generally use.

As for those separating Albanians from Albanians, we can expect much more stricter policies as they like shooting themselves in the foot.

Also, it is quite hilarious listening to Albanians and their supporters asking for the truth to be revealed. What truth? You guys are getting increasingly impatient and agitated. Remember, we Serbs are very patient and we will wait for the opportune moment.

Did anyone ever tell us the truth about the Ottomans? The Habsburg's? The NAZI's? My God, we were nearly at war with the Soviets. Yes, we knew what they wanted but we never, and I mean never gave up. We are still here and they are all history. NATO is next my friends. The world has woken up. Just listen to the speeches of most non-western foreign leaders at the UNGA gathering and it is pretty clear.

EA

pre 11 godina

"...the conviction to liberate southern Serbia from foreign hands is alive. more than ever.

but all in its proper time.

(Jovan, 28 September 2012 10:42)

When are you going to come out from the grave with your "heroes" and "lead" Serbia...You need a real, thorough healthcheck my friend before it will be too late....)))

a New Day

pre 11 godina

EcomanEcomanEcoman, 28 September 2012 11:19)
The fact that you have to ask the question is the answer. You find nothing wrong with the vicious cruel treatment the Albanians received under Milosevic. No amount of discussion can give you a conscience.
All I want for Kosovo is guarantees they will not have to live through that again. But as long as there are those of you who think they do not deserve better it will have to be from either total separation from Serbia or forever as a UN protectorate.

EcomanEcomanEcoman

pre 11 godina

EA, Serbian people are very well informed as to what is going on in KiM, I have no idea what this "Truth" is, that Albanians here talk about. BG is fighting for its territorial integrity, why is that unreasonable? why should Serbia just roll over, and give KiM Albanians another State in the Balkans? BTW, do you think that the Pristina political clan tells you the truth, or even Eulex or KFOR?

Adem

pre 11 godina

No big story here.
Truth observe best from outside.
When Serbia beg EU, situation bad.
When Serbia beg Turkey and Saudi like does Republica Serbska, country finished.

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

I think Pristina will be happy for their customs staff to do the job. If Serbia doesn't like it, then no trade. Simple.

And it is in Serbia's interests to do trade with Kosovo as Serbia exports far more to Kosovo, than Kosovo does to Serbia. 22 times more to be exact. So who will be loosing out the most from no trade between the two? Serbia.

Demi

pre 11 godina

Kosova custom is not "status neutral" despite what you insist. You know who they work for and what they do there. They consider Kosova as their country and work for it. There is no " status neutrality". Only in your head there exist such a thing.

One day Eulex will not be in Kosova. I wonder how you will fool the Serbian people then by having nobody to lean on. First you had Unmik and now they are gone. The same will happend to Eulex. You will have no other choice but to open an embassy in Prishtina if you want to help serbian citizens in Kosova I guess.

IBM=Integrated border managment= Indirectly recognizing the borders of Kosova= North Kosova belongs to Kosova.

adrian kola

pre 11 godina

I'm just wondering what other fictious examples Serbian officials can use to compare Kosova's relationship with Serbia, so far we have:
China/Hong Kong
Two Germanies
South Tyrol
Greenland/Denmark
etc, etc, etc,
It's incredibly mundane and boring guys! Get over it! If I were in your position I'd focus on other parts of 'Serbia' like Voivodina and Sandak before it becomes too late rather than wasting precious time and money on Kosova!

Jovan

pre 11 godina

well EA, my dear k-albanian friend, ...seems like Nikolić and his likes are not that patriotic as they were pretending.

but that´s not that horrible as it seems in the first thought.

the conviction to liberate southern Serbia from foreign hands is alive. more than ever. and just like Traitor-Tadić had to leave, Nikolić will also have to leave. don´t worry about that. and you will get answers, my dear, and you will learn what Serbia´s sovereignty means.

but all in its proper time.

and when the time is right, you will adjust yourself to the inevitable, or you will leave. it´s that simple.

EA

pre 11 godina

What is that "status neutral"? In other words what is Serbia trying to achieve by insisting on "status neutro"? What is the Serbia's understanding of territorial integrity and sovereignity over Kosovo? Still not getting any answer....All Serbian current demands are UNREALISTIC and I think the polititians fear to death to tell the truth to Serbian people. If the Serbian polititian fear that much then the EU must help Serbia and tell the truth....

EA

pre 11 godina

What is that "status neutral"? In other words what is Serbia trying to achieve by insisting on "status neutro"? What is the Serbia's understanding of territorial integrity and sovereignity over Kosovo? Still not getting any answer....All Serbian current demands are UNREALISTIC and I think the polititians fear to death to tell the truth to Serbian people. If the Serbian polititian fear that much then the EU must help Serbia and tell the truth....

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

I think Pristina will be happy for their customs staff to do the job. If Serbia doesn't like it, then no trade. Simple.

And it is in Serbia's interests to do trade with Kosovo as Serbia exports far more to Kosovo, than Kosovo does to Serbia. 22 times more to be exact. So who will be loosing out the most from no trade between the two? Serbia.

adrian kola

pre 11 godina

I'm just wondering what other fictious examples Serbian officials can use to compare Kosova's relationship with Serbia, so far we have:
China/Hong Kong
Two Germanies
South Tyrol
Greenland/Denmark
etc, etc, etc,
It's incredibly mundane and boring guys! Get over it! If I were in your position I'd focus on other parts of 'Serbia' like Voivodina and Sandak before it becomes too late rather than wasting precious time and money on Kosova!

Haitian

pre 11 godina

I think it'd be really funny if Kosovo introduced visa requirements for Serbian citizens and for Serbian Diplomatic Passport holders. That way Serbian citizens entering Kosovo on a Serbian passport will have a nice Kosovo stamp/ visa in their passports. And those who object to this will be denied entry.

Demi

pre 11 godina

Kosova custom is not "status neutral" despite what you insist. You know who they work for and what they do there. They consider Kosova as their country and work for it. There is no " status neutrality". Only in your head there exist such a thing.

One day Eulex will not be in Kosova. I wonder how you will fool the Serbian people then by having nobody to lean on. First you had Unmik and now they are gone. The same will happend to Eulex. You will have no other choice but to open an embassy in Prishtina if you want to help serbian citizens in Kosova I guess.

IBM=Integrated border managment= Indirectly recognizing the borders of Kosova= North Kosova belongs to Kosova.

KOSO

pre 11 godina

I think it'd be really funny if Kosovo introduced visa requirements for Serbian citizens and for Serbian Diplomatic Passport holders. That way Serbian citizens entering Kosovo on a Serbian passport will have a nice Kosovo stamp/ visa in their passports. And those who object to this will be denied entry.
(Haitian, 28 September 2012 14:21)

Jan 1st, 2013

Sincerely,

a New Day

pre 11 godina

EcomanEcomanEcoman, 28 September 2012 11:19)
The fact that you have to ask the question is the answer. You find nothing wrong with the vicious cruel treatment the Albanians received under Milosevic. No amount of discussion can give you a conscience.
All I want for Kosovo is guarantees they will not have to live through that again. But as long as there are those of you who think they do not deserve better it will have to be from either total separation from Serbia or forever as a UN protectorate.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

well EA, my dear k-albanian friend, ...seems like Nikolić and his likes are not that patriotic as they were pretending.

but that´s not that horrible as it seems in the first thought.

the conviction to liberate southern Serbia from foreign hands is alive. more than ever. and just like Traitor-Tadić had to leave, Nikolić will also have to leave. don´t worry about that. and you will get answers, my dear, and you will learn what Serbia´s sovereignty means.

but all in its proper time.

and when the time is right, you will adjust yourself to the inevitable, or you will leave. it´s that simple.

EcomanEcomanEcoman

pre 11 godina

EA, Serbian people are very well informed as to what is going on in KiM, I have no idea what this "Truth" is, that Albanians here talk about. BG is fighting for its territorial integrity, why is that unreasonable? why should Serbia just roll over, and give KiM Albanians another State in the Balkans? BTW, do you think that the Pristina political clan tells you the truth, or even Eulex or KFOR?

EA

pre 11 godina

"Albanians and their supporters asking for the truth to be revealed. What truth?

(Zoran, 28 September 2012 13:43)

Let me tell you Zoran directlly THE TRUTH that you can not see.

1-Kosovo will never be under Serbian territory of sovereignity again.

2-Serbia lost Kosovo in the war lost triggered by Serbian leader called Slobodan Milloshevic

3-By trying to undo Kosovo independence, Serbian leaders know very well that they do no damn good they there isn't the slightest chance to regain sovereignity and territorial integrity over Kosovo. But they are afraid to tell that truth to Serbian people. What the Serbian leadership is doing instead they are "showing an interest" how to improve the everyday lives of people living in Kosovo. It has NOTHING to do with sovereignity and territorial claim. I repeat NOTHING.

4-Serbia will NEVER be able to join the EU without RECOGNISING FORMALLY Kosovo independence. Anyone in EU saying the opposite is trying to be diplomatic and leave a door open for negotiation.

5-These so-called negotiation will crack very soon because Serbia will use the pretext of "its constitution" to hinder any prospects for talks. It will be back to square one until other Balkan countries come much close to EU than Serbia.

6-Serbia within Russian Federation it is a possibility. Russia might promise Serbia to take Kosovo by force as part of "brotherhood policy". It did well with Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Do you need more TRUTHS?

J

pre 11 godina

, we Serbs are very patient and we will wait for the opportune moment.

This is the oxymoron of the century. C'mon dude, patience is definitely not what the Serbs are known for. As a matter of fact unless you've been living under a rock you would know that one thing that unites all balkanians is the total lack of patience. Stop fooling yourself.

EA

pre 11 godina

"...the conviction to liberate southern Serbia from foreign hands is alive. more than ever.

but all in its proper time.

(Jovan, 28 September 2012 10:42)

When are you going to come out from the grave with your "heroes" and "lead" Serbia...You need a real, thorough healthcheck my friend before it will be too late....)))

EA

pre 11 godina

(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

Comparing your truth and mine truth....show us a sign of Serbian sovereignity and territorial integrity over Kosovo? I will pay you for it...Please do not make yourself rediculous and say "it is in Serbian constitution.

Who controls the borders of Kosovo? Is officially Serbian army and police present in Kosovo....? The new generation in Kosovo barely will speak any Serbian...THESE ARE HARD FACTS!

The issue of Serbia recognising formally Kosovo independence is more to do with her prospects, and ease from uncertinity the lives of Serbs minority living in Kosovo...

Zoran

pre 11 godina

“Kosovo customs must be status neutral”
--
Sounds good to me. The normal procedure for customs would have two entry/exit points, one with "Nothing to declare" and another with "Something to declare".

So in other words, everyone with nothing to declare goes straight through with the occasional suspicious car/person stopped for checking and those with something to declare get stopped. As this is customs only, no ID or passports are usually required. Now, that is status neutrality and should be implemented at the two administrative points that Serbs generally use.

As for those separating Albanians from Albanians, we can expect much more stricter policies as they like shooting themselves in the foot.

Also, it is quite hilarious listening to Albanians and their supporters asking for the truth to be revealed. What truth? You guys are getting increasingly impatient and agitated. Remember, we Serbs are very patient and we will wait for the opportune moment.

Did anyone ever tell us the truth about the Ottomans? The Habsburg's? The NAZI's? My God, we were nearly at war with the Soviets. Yes, we knew what they wanted but we never, and I mean never gave up. We are still here and they are all history. NATO is next my friends. The world has woken up. Just listen to the speeches of most non-western foreign leaders at the UNGA gathering and it is pretty clear.

eric

pre 11 godina

1. Kosovo is only a self-proclaimed pseudo state, with the same status as Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia, Palestine.
(Kosovo its recognized by over 90 countries soon more to follow)

2. Kosovo will never become an UN member unless a mutual agreement is reached.

(it will soon become because Serbia will suffer thus resulting to recognition of kosovo)

3. Kosovo will never overcome its economical problems under the current government, they are responsible for the corruption and organized crime that keeps investors away.

(kosovo is a free and democratic country ...free from serb oppression and genocide, murders etc. kosovo will never and ever be ruled by serbia never again) investors away???? really? Slovenia, croatia, germany, france, albania, greece, turkey, albania, italy have invested in kosovo

4. Kosovo under its current status is not recognized and can never become an EU member.
(again, kosova is recognized by over 90 countries soon will be a UN member, its only been a few years of its independence.)

5. The only groups that is benefiting from Kosovo's current status are the drug mafia clans who turned Kosovo in Europe's main drug hub and the corrupt politicians who abuse donor money and state money for providing good jobs for their buddies and clan members.

(corruption is everywhere, serbia is more corrupt than kosovo, read some facts

PLUS your just jealous you can never own kosovo, kosovo belongs to the majority people that live there)
(Comm. Parrisson)

ERIC

too funny

pre 11 godina

(Zoran, 28 September 2012 20:01)
You claim sovereignty by saying we can easily come through a back door or crawl through a window into North Kosovo. What a joke!

Adem

pre 11 godina

No big story here.
Truth observe best from outside.
When Serbia beg EU, situation bad.
When Serbia beg Turkey and Saudi like does Republica Serbska, country finished.

pss

pre 11 godina

Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)
1. Not exactly true it is recognized 90+ countries, including the most important ones it needs to function.
2. Maybe true butit will never become a UN member as a province of Serbia either will it?
3. The current govt is temporary, it is in all new states or govts for the initial leaders to be the leaders of the revolution. US 1st president Gen George Washington case in point. There will soon be new elections.
4. That one I would not take bets on if I were you. Should it become apparent that Serbia will not be entering the EU, I think you will see a push to quickly admit the rest of the balkans.
5. It will take awhile to shake the lessons learned from the Serbian govt, isn't Milosevic's whole family the prime leaders of the socalled cigarette mafia. Plus most of what flows through the hub in Kosovo travels to Serbia and then to the EU.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

Do you need more TRUTHS?
(EA, 28 September 2012 14:36)

Maybe do you need some more truths:

1. Kosovo is only a self-proclaimed pseudo state, with the same status as Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia, Palestine.

2. Kosovo will never become an UN member unless a mutual agreement is reached.

3. Kosovo will never overcome its economical problems under the current government, they are responsible for the corruption and organized crime that keeps investors away.

4. Kosovo under its current status is not recognized and can never become an EU member.

5. The only groups that is benefiting from Kosovo's current status are the drug mafia clans who turned Kosovo in Europe's main drug hub and the corrupt politicians who abuse donor money and state money for providing good jobs for their buddies and clan members.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Do you need more TRUTHS?
(EA, 28 September 2012 14:36)
--
Truth or wishful thinking? Like I said before, we've heard them all before from various empires but they are all history now. Nothing is constant except for change. So you can repeat your "TRUTHS" as much as you like but we're not buying it and neither is the majority of the world.

Oh, and the only forces backing up your "TRUTHS" are all on shaky foundations. Cheers!!

Naim

pre 11 godina

I think this young guy lost of what he is talking about..?at least say smth what makes sense, if you say EULEX should be status neutral that could be bit better undrestood. but unfourtunately EULEX work under Republic of Kosovo juridition so it is not possible to be statut neutral.

so many says so many words so many political word and at the end you accept everything.IBM remember is indirect recognition and this puts north under Kosovo umbrella I know some of you don't like to hear this but it is what it is. for us is good to have everything under controll for you is good because you will be a step closer to EU in terms of Kosovo condition but remember EU is not only about Kosovo you should regulate your things at home aswell. corruption, human rights,economical and fiscal rules,ecological reformation, infrastructure and endless things to come.


I hear some of patriots in here they think Kosovo is the only door to get to EU but is not that.

Even Kosovo, we are seperate from you now we will need time to get to EU we need to get first visa regime sorted so the last condition for us is IBM implementation. and then endless conditions to fullfill.
SO YOU WANTED OR NOT THIS IS REALITY.

icj1

pre 11 godina

Remember, we Serbs are very patient and we will wait for the opportune moment.
(Zoran, 28 September 2012 13:43)

of course... what's another 500 years ? nothing

Now, UNSCR 1244 may still be in force in 2512, but guess what... Serbs, as patient people, can just wait another 500 years until 3012 and so on until the Sun explodes 5000000000 years from now :)

onlyme

pre 11 godina

There’s an element of truth in every statement made regardless of how bizarre that statement might initially sound. From this point it’s good to conclude that both camps can be or are partially correct. I think a lot of experts will agree that there is and will always be an element of instability in Kosovo. My own opinion is that whether there would be a war in Kosovo or not will depend entirely on policies Serbia decides to adopt.

Ryan M

pre 11 godina

The only uniformed people that should be at the Kosovo Provincial Boundary with Sumadija/Serbia West and Serbia South-East should be Zandarmerija Srbija to ensure order.

icj1

pre 11 godina

1. Kosovo is only a self-proclaimed pseudo state, with the same status as Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia, Palestine.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

And also the same status of Serbia (and many other countries) which also self-proclaimed its independence
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2. Kosovo will never become an UN member unless a mutual agreement is reached.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

Makes sense… and that mutual agreement will obviously not be anything like "Kosovo is Serbia" because "Kosovo is Serbia" means that Kosovo would not become a UN member anyway
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3. Kosovo will never overcome its economical problems under the current government, they are responsible for the corruption and organized crime that keeps investors away.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

Yes and the same would happen if Kosovo were to be under the current, previous or future Serbian governments (just take a look at Serbia).
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4. Kosovo under its current status is not recognized and can never become an EU member.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

EU does not recognize states. States do recognize states. And there is no EU treaty that prevents non-states from being part of EU (actually there are already many non-state entities that are part of the EU). And there is no EU member state that has ever said that Kosovo will never become an EU member. Unfortunately, "Comm. Parrisson" is not an EU member state.

icj1

pre 11 godina

You are still in denial, like most K*-Albanians... I dare you to travel from central Serbia to the North of KiM and you can easily take an alternative road, thus bypassing the customs checkpoints or even cross them, it is no big deal.

From central Serbia all through the north of KiM you will not see a sign of "Kosova"* or Albanianism. It is all Serbian my friend, the signs, the cars plates, the infrastructure, the currency - you name it.

Only until you cross the Ibar will you notice Albanianism but even road signs are still in both languages. Then cross over into any Serbian enclave and you are back in little Serbia, signs, currency, etc...
(Zoran, 28 September 2012 20:01)

Ok, great... Albanians are fine with the current status and, most importantly, you are fine with it, too. So all issues have been solved.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

show us a sign of Serbian sovereignity and territorial integrity over Kosovo? I will pay you for it...Please do not make yourself rediculous and say "it is in Serbian constitution.
(EA, 28 September 2012 16:26)
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You are still in denial, like most K*-Albanians... I dare you to travel from central Serbia to the North of KiM and you can easily take an alternative road, thus bypassing the customs checkpoints or even cross them, it is no big deal.

From central Serbia all through the north of KiM you will not see a sign of "Kosova"* or Albanianism. It is all Serbian my friend, the signs, the cars plates, the infrastructure, the currency - you name it.

Only until you cross the Ibar will you notice Albanianism but even road signs are still in both languages. Then cross over into any Serbian enclave and you are back in little Serbia, signs, currency, etc...

Jovan

pre 11 godina

well EA, my dear k-albanian friend, ...seems like Nikolić and his likes are not that patriotic as they were pretending.

but that´s not that horrible as it seems in the first thought.

the conviction to liberate southern Serbia from foreign hands is alive. more than ever. and just like Traitor-Tadić had to leave, Nikolić will also have to leave. don´t worry about that. and you will get answers, my dear, and you will learn what Serbia´s sovereignty means.

but all in its proper time.

and when the time is right, you will adjust yourself to the inevitable, or you will leave. it´s that simple.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

“Kosovo customs must be status neutral”
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Sounds good to me. The normal procedure for customs would have two entry/exit points, one with "Nothing to declare" and another with "Something to declare".

So in other words, everyone with nothing to declare goes straight through with the occasional suspicious car/person stopped for checking and those with something to declare get stopped. As this is customs only, no ID or passports are usually required. Now, that is status neutrality and should be implemented at the two administrative points that Serbs generally use.

As for those separating Albanians from Albanians, we can expect much more stricter policies as they like shooting themselves in the foot.

Also, it is quite hilarious listening to Albanians and their supporters asking for the truth to be revealed. What truth? You guys are getting increasingly impatient and agitated. Remember, we Serbs are very patient and we will wait for the opportune moment.

Did anyone ever tell us the truth about the Ottomans? The Habsburg's? The NAZI's? My God, we were nearly at war with the Soviets. Yes, we knew what they wanted but we never, and I mean never gave up. We are still here and they are all history. NATO is next my friends. The world has woken up. Just listen to the speeches of most non-western foreign leaders at the UNGA gathering and it is pretty clear.

Demi

pre 11 godina

Kosova custom is not "status neutral" despite what you insist. You know who they work for and what they do there. They consider Kosova as their country and work for it. There is no " status neutrality". Only in your head there exist such a thing.

One day Eulex will not be in Kosova. I wonder how you will fool the Serbian people then by having nobody to lean on. First you had Unmik and now they are gone. The same will happend to Eulex. You will have no other choice but to open an embassy in Prishtina if you want to help serbian citizens in Kosova I guess.

IBM=Integrated border managment= Indirectly recognizing the borders of Kosova= North Kosova belongs to Kosova.

EcomanEcomanEcoman

pre 11 godina

EA, Serbian people are very well informed as to what is going on in KiM, I have no idea what this "Truth" is, that Albanians here talk about. BG is fighting for its territorial integrity, why is that unreasonable? why should Serbia just roll over, and give KiM Albanians another State in the Balkans? BTW, do you think that the Pristina political clan tells you the truth, or even Eulex or KFOR?

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

Do you need more TRUTHS?
(EA, 28 September 2012 14:36)

Maybe do you need some more truths:

1. Kosovo is only a self-proclaimed pseudo state, with the same status as Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia, Palestine.

2. Kosovo will never become an UN member unless a mutual agreement is reached.

3. Kosovo will never overcome its economical problems under the current government, they are responsible for the corruption and organized crime that keeps investors away.

4. Kosovo under its current status is not recognized and can never become an EU member.

5. The only groups that is benefiting from Kosovo's current status are the drug mafia clans who turned Kosovo in Europe's main drug hub and the corrupt politicians who abuse donor money and state money for providing good jobs for their buddies and clan members.

EA

pre 11 godina

What is that "status neutral"? In other words what is Serbia trying to achieve by insisting on "status neutro"? What is the Serbia's understanding of territorial integrity and sovereignity over Kosovo? Still not getting any answer....All Serbian current demands are UNREALISTIC and I think the polititians fear to death to tell the truth to Serbian people. If the Serbian polititian fear that much then the EU must help Serbia and tell the truth....

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

I think Pristina will be happy for their customs staff to do the job. If Serbia doesn't like it, then no trade. Simple.

And it is in Serbia's interests to do trade with Kosovo as Serbia exports far more to Kosovo, than Kosovo does to Serbia. 22 times more to be exact. So who will be loosing out the most from no trade between the two? Serbia.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Do you need more TRUTHS?
(EA, 28 September 2012 14:36)
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Truth or wishful thinking? Like I said before, we've heard them all before from various empires but they are all history now. Nothing is constant except for change. So you can repeat your "TRUTHS" as much as you like but we're not buying it and neither is the majority of the world.

Oh, and the only forces backing up your "TRUTHS" are all on shaky foundations. Cheers!!

adrian kola

pre 11 godina

I'm just wondering what other fictious examples Serbian officials can use to compare Kosova's relationship with Serbia, so far we have:
China/Hong Kong
Two Germanies
South Tyrol
Greenland/Denmark
etc, etc, etc,
It's incredibly mundane and boring guys! Get over it! If I were in your position I'd focus on other parts of 'Serbia' like Voivodina and Sandak before it becomes too late rather than wasting precious time and money on Kosova!

Adem

pre 11 godina

No big story here.
Truth observe best from outside.
When Serbia beg EU, situation bad.
When Serbia beg Turkey and Saudi like does Republica Serbska, country finished.

a New Day

pre 11 godina

EcomanEcomanEcoman, 28 September 2012 11:19)
The fact that you have to ask the question is the answer. You find nothing wrong with the vicious cruel treatment the Albanians received under Milosevic. No amount of discussion can give you a conscience.
All I want for Kosovo is guarantees they will not have to live through that again. But as long as there are those of you who think they do not deserve better it will have to be from either total separation from Serbia or forever as a UN protectorate.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

show us a sign of Serbian sovereignity and territorial integrity over Kosovo? I will pay you for it...Please do not make yourself rediculous and say "it is in Serbian constitution.
(EA, 28 September 2012 16:26)
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You are still in denial, like most K*-Albanians... I dare you to travel from central Serbia to the North of KiM and you can easily take an alternative road, thus bypassing the customs checkpoints or even cross them, it is no big deal.

From central Serbia all through the north of KiM you will not see a sign of "Kosova"* or Albanianism. It is all Serbian my friend, the signs, the cars plates, the infrastructure, the currency - you name it.

Only until you cross the Ibar will you notice Albanianism but even road signs are still in both languages. Then cross over into any Serbian enclave and you are back in little Serbia, signs, currency, etc...

EA

pre 11 godina

"...the conviction to liberate southern Serbia from foreign hands is alive. more than ever.

but all in its proper time.

(Jovan, 28 September 2012 10:42)

When are you going to come out from the grave with your "heroes" and "lead" Serbia...You need a real, thorough healthcheck my friend before it will be too late....)))

Haitian

pre 11 godina

I think it'd be really funny if Kosovo introduced visa requirements for Serbian citizens and for Serbian Diplomatic Passport holders. That way Serbian citizens entering Kosovo on a Serbian passport will have a nice Kosovo stamp/ visa in their passports. And those who object to this will be denied entry.

eric

pre 11 godina

1. Kosovo is only a self-proclaimed pseudo state, with the same status as Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia, Palestine.
(Kosovo its recognized by over 90 countries soon more to follow)

2. Kosovo will never become an UN member unless a mutual agreement is reached.

(it will soon become because Serbia will suffer thus resulting to recognition of kosovo)

3. Kosovo will never overcome its economical problems under the current government, they are responsible for the corruption and organized crime that keeps investors away.

(kosovo is a free and democratic country ...free from serb oppression and genocide, murders etc. kosovo will never and ever be ruled by serbia never again) investors away???? really? Slovenia, croatia, germany, france, albania, greece, turkey, albania, italy have invested in kosovo

4. Kosovo under its current status is not recognized and can never become an EU member.
(again, kosova is recognized by over 90 countries soon will be a UN member, its only been a few years of its independence.)

5. The only groups that is benefiting from Kosovo's current status are the drug mafia clans who turned Kosovo in Europe's main drug hub and the corrupt politicians who abuse donor money and state money for providing good jobs for their buddies and clan members.

(corruption is everywhere, serbia is more corrupt than kosovo, read some facts

PLUS your just jealous you can never own kosovo, kosovo belongs to the majority people that live there)
(Comm. Parrisson)

ERIC

EA

pre 11 godina

"Albanians and their supporters asking for the truth to be revealed. What truth?

(Zoran, 28 September 2012 13:43)

Let me tell you Zoran directlly THE TRUTH that you can not see.

1-Kosovo will never be under Serbian territory of sovereignity again.

2-Serbia lost Kosovo in the war lost triggered by Serbian leader called Slobodan Milloshevic

3-By trying to undo Kosovo independence, Serbian leaders know very well that they do no damn good they there isn't the slightest chance to regain sovereignity and territorial integrity over Kosovo. But they are afraid to tell that truth to Serbian people. What the Serbian leadership is doing instead they are "showing an interest" how to improve the everyday lives of people living in Kosovo. It has NOTHING to do with sovereignity and territorial claim. I repeat NOTHING.

4-Serbia will NEVER be able to join the EU without RECOGNISING FORMALLY Kosovo independence. Anyone in EU saying the opposite is trying to be diplomatic and leave a door open for negotiation.

5-These so-called negotiation will crack very soon because Serbia will use the pretext of "its constitution" to hinder any prospects for talks. It will be back to square one until other Balkan countries come much close to EU than Serbia.

6-Serbia within Russian Federation it is a possibility. Russia might promise Serbia to take Kosovo by force as part of "brotherhood policy". It did well with Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Do you need more TRUTHS?

KOSO

pre 11 godina

I think it'd be really funny if Kosovo introduced visa requirements for Serbian citizens and for Serbian Diplomatic Passport holders. That way Serbian citizens entering Kosovo on a Serbian passport will have a nice Kosovo stamp/ visa in their passports. And those who object to this will be denied entry.
(Haitian, 28 September 2012 14:21)

Jan 1st, 2013

Sincerely,

EA

pre 11 godina

(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

Comparing your truth and mine truth....show us a sign of Serbian sovereignity and territorial integrity over Kosovo? I will pay you for it...Please do not make yourself rediculous and say "it is in Serbian constitution.

Who controls the borders of Kosovo? Is officially Serbian army and police present in Kosovo....? The new generation in Kosovo barely will speak any Serbian...THESE ARE HARD FACTS!

The issue of Serbia recognising formally Kosovo independence is more to do with her prospects, and ease from uncertinity the lives of Serbs minority living in Kosovo...

pss

pre 11 godina

Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)
1. Not exactly true it is recognized 90+ countries, including the most important ones it needs to function.
2. Maybe true butit will never become a UN member as a province of Serbia either will it?
3. The current govt is temporary, it is in all new states or govts for the initial leaders to be the leaders of the revolution. US 1st president Gen George Washington case in point. There will soon be new elections.
4. That one I would not take bets on if I were you. Should it become apparent that Serbia will not be entering the EU, I think you will see a push to quickly admit the rest of the balkans.
5. It will take awhile to shake the lessons learned from the Serbian govt, isn't Milosevic's whole family the prime leaders of the socalled cigarette mafia. Plus most of what flows through the hub in Kosovo travels to Serbia and then to the EU.

onlyme

pre 11 godina

There’s an element of truth in every statement made regardless of how bizarre that statement might initially sound. From this point it’s good to conclude that both camps can be or are partially correct. I think a lot of experts will agree that there is and will always be an element of instability in Kosovo. My own opinion is that whether there would be a war in Kosovo or not will depend entirely on policies Serbia decides to adopt.

Ryan M

pre 11 godina

The only uniformed people that should be at the Kosovo Provincial Boundary with Sumadija/Serbia West and Serbia South-East should be Zandarmerija Srbija to ensure order.

Naim

pre 11 godina

I think this young guy lost of what he is talking about..?at least say smth what makes sense, if you say EULEX should be status neutral that could be bit better undrestood. but unfourtunately EULEX work under Republic of Kosovo juridition so it is not possible to be statut neutral.

so many says so many words so many political word and at the end you accept everything.IBM remember is indirect recognition and this puts north under Kosovo umbrella I know some of you don't like to hear this but it is what it is. for us is good to have everything under controll for you is good because you will be a step closer to EU in terms of Kosovo condition but remember EU is not only about Kosovo you should regulate your things at home aswell. corruption, human rights,economical and fiscal rules,ecological reformation, infrastructure and endless things to come.


I hear some of patriots in here they think Kosovo is the only door to get to EU but is not that.

Even Kosovo, we are seperate from you now we will need time to get to EU we need to get first visa regime sorted so the last condition for us is IBM implementation. and then endless conditions to fullfill.
SO YOU WANTED OR NOT THIS IS REALITY.

J

pre 11 godina

, we Serbs are very patient and we will wait for the opportune moment.

This is the oxymoron of the century. C'mon dude, patience is definitely not what the Serbs are known for. As a matter of fact unless you've been living under a rock you would know that one thing that unites all balkanians is the total lack of patience. Stop fooling yourself.

too funny

pre 11 godina

(Zoran, 28 September 2012 20:01)
You claim sovereignty by saying we can easily come through a back door or crawl through a window into North Kosovo. What a joke!

icj1

pre 11 godina

Remember, we Serbs are very patient and we will wait for the opportune moment.
(Zoran, 28 September 2012 13:43)

of course... what's another 500 years ? nothing

Now, UNSCR 1244 may still be in force in 2512, but guess what... Serbs, as patient people, can just wait another 500 years until 3012 and so on until the Sun explodes 5000000000 years from now :)

icj1

pre 11 godina

1. Kosovo is only a self-proclaimed pseudo state, with the same status as Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia, Palestine.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

And also the same status of Serbia (and many other countries) which also self-proclaimed its independence
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2. Kosovo will never become an UN member unless a mutual agreement is reached.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

Makes sense… and that mutual agreement will obviously not be anything like "Kosovo is Serbia" because "Kosovo is Serbia" means that Kosovo would not become a UN member anyway
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3. Kosovo will never overcome its economical problems under the current government, they are responsible for the corruption and organized crime that keeps investors away.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

Yes and the same would happen if Kosovo were to be under the current, previous or future Serbian governments (just take a look at Serbia).
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4. Kosovo under its current status is not recognized and can never become an EU member.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 September 2012 15:43)

EU does not recognize states. States do recognize states. And there is no EU treaty that prevents non-states from being part of EU (actually there are already many non-state entities that are part of the EU). And there is no EU member state that has ever said that Kosovo will never become an EU member. Unfortunately, "Comm. Parrisson" is not an EU member state.

icj1

pre 11 godina

You are still in denial, like most K*-Albanians... I dare you to travel from central Serbia to the North of KiM and you can easily take an alternative road, thus bypassing the customs checkpoints or even cross them, it is no big deal.

From central Serbia all through the north of KiM you will not see a sign of "Kosova"* or Albanianism. It is all Serbian my friend, the signs, the cars plates, the infrastructure, the currency - you name it.

Only until you cross the Ibar will you notice Albanianism but even road signs are still in both languages. Then cross over into any Serbian enclave and you are back in little Serbia, signs, currency, etc...
(Zoran, 28 September 2012 20:01)

Ok, great... Albanians are fine with the current status and, most importantly, you are fine with it, too. So all issues have been solved.