Serbian president meets with top EU official

Julian Assange sums up the US quite nicely in his speech to UN delegates. Check -> [link]
(Zoran, 27 September 2012 11:21)

What you have in US right now is Wall Street taking over the political process in exactly the same way as Mussolini had in Italy and is called fascism.Anyone rebelling is persecuted ,convicted and sent to Guantanamo gulag.It won't be too long before US citizens will only need two items,beans & guns in order to survive.

What can Kosovo* (Prishtina administration) offer to Kosovo Serbs?
(aaayyy, 27 September 2012 19:08)

The same things that Serbia is offering to Serbia Albanians in Presevo Valley.

Serbian President Nikolic is a very capable and intelligent man, and a real fighter for the rights of Serbia and preserving her dignity. I'm sure that he'll do everything for the interest and welfare of Serbia, but I think that he has a small influence on the situation in Kosovo. Anyway... I wish him luck!

Julian Assange sums up the US quite nicely in his speech to UN delegates. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjPAmTn0WYA

Negotiations will be coordinated by the EU. Negotiations must be direct, without intermediaries. My opinion is that success of negotiations depends from Albanians, not from Serbia. Serbia has swallowed the bitter pill, the Albanians should do the same in future.
(perun_u, 27 September 2012 21:51)

What is the "bitter" pill that Serbia has swallowed? Being stopped from exterminating the Albanian population from Kosova?

Recognition for Independence for Kosovo from Serbia will never happen. However it would be in everyone's best interest if some kind of agreement can be reached concerning autonomy for Kosovo, something that is reminiscent in the way the UK and Scotland are living peacefully, prosperously and agreeably alongside each other. Scotland has partial self-government within the United Kingdom as well as representation in the UK Parliament. Then when this works out well the subject of full independence could be discussed as is the case with the Scots, who are debating whether independence is right for them or not.

Just more words from schizophrenic Serbia we had them 20 + years looks to continue in infinitum. Please Serb "leaders" try too live in reality and try to talk coherently. Make appropriate sane actions before the world totally commits Serbia ay-yay-yay.

this guy is something else. Serbia will never get a date for EU talks if that is really what he wants. Completly unrealistic ideas, mixed with his nationalist rhetoric will get nowhere. The country that will suffer from such politics is Serbia, and its people. He will not get anywhere ......

T, 27 September 2012 11:59
Yes you are right that WOULD have been the best solution, that is why exactly that was put forth in the Rambouillet Accords almost 14 years ago. However it is a different world now. With the UDI and its acceptance by more than 90 countries and the west declaring an end to supervised independence you will never get that now.
The one thing you and your buddies keep forgetting is you are offering nothing to the people of Kosovo other than to make Serbs happy.
Something similar to a confederation with equal rights to Serbia and Kosovo without either actually superior to the other is as close to a unification that you will see. That is even a very far fetched thought. I do not think that those in the international community actually trusts Serbia to honor any such agreement so they would not pressure Kosovo to accept and you would not be able to convince those in charge of Kosovo to agree otherwise.
The problem is you think that Serbia is giving up so much with such an offer, but the truth is you are offering them what they had, no more, before Serbia took it away. Realistically do you expect them to trust you will not do it again?

"... he did not see the point in the Kosovo or the EU dilemma and that he could not put such a question before the citizens."

Why not? Serbian people should be allowed to have a say on such a big issue...Nikolic wants to frustrate the whole reconciliation process and blame the other for the failure.

Yes you are right that WOULD have been the best solution, that is why exactly that was put forth in the Rambouillet Accords almost 14 years ago.
(a New Day)
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Rambouillet Accords implied Kosovo independence in several years.
(aaayyy)
------------
------------
The one thing you and your buddies keep forgetting is you are offering nothing to the people of Kosovo other than to make Serbs happy.
(a New Day)
------------
What can Kosovo* (Prishtina administration) offer to Kosovo Serbs?

Leonidas ti kanis my friend all the Greeks I know here in Florida drive Mercedes and BMWs making a goldmine from selling those gyros which I love eating by the way. I am coming for a visit to Greece with one of my very rich Greek American friends lets have a drink I find your comments amusing to say the least.I dont think I will visit Croatia until Dalmatia is given back to Italy where it rightfully belongs and all the Slavs like Lenny are living in Zagreb.

Serbia have President which is well-respected from both, Eastern and Western partner.

Negotiations will be coordinated by the EU. Negotiations must be direct, without intermediaries. My opinion is that success of negotiations depends from Albanians, not from Serbia. Serbia has swallowed the bitter pill, the Albanians should do the same in future.

What you have in US right now is Wall Street taking over the political process in exactly the same way as Mussolini had in Italy and is called fascism.Anyone rebelling is persecuted ,convicted and sent to Guantanamo gulag.It won't be too long before US citizens will only need two items,beans & guns in order to survive.
(Leonidas, 27 September 2012 14:56)

Although your comment is extreme and not very well put your point is well taken.
Hopefully the facts that America is a huge country and full of diversity will offset the greed and licentiousness
of the Wall Street types that can be found throughout time and place.

(luciano, 27 September 2012 21:20)

My dear Albanian Luciano,if you recall, you were also laughing at my comments regarding the crisis affecting Greece and the EU last year and the year before. My point of argument then and still is that the Euro project "one size fits all" was an ill-conceived idea and the crisis affecting Greece would transcend to Spain,Portugal,Italy and others which it did big time.There is no cure,Merkel can jump up and down,the single currency is history.

US disease is not its debts but the corruptive culture which leads to those debts.This culture starts in Wall Street and US congress and trickles down to selected multinationals,professions (lobbyists) and other voting blocks.

The only ace left in Bernake's hand is the printing machines(I wonder how much overtime do the printers work).The Fed has already held interest rates near zero percent for four long years, now.It has already created $1.8 trillion out of thin air through QE I and QE II .So what's the result? No impact whatsoever on the real economy.As America approaches the precipice of its great fiscal cliff, the stock market looks for all the world as if it's a massive bubble about to burst and burst it will.
When it does you won't be laughing any longer!

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

BTW Are you able to read on the link I am sending you the number under the heading CURRENCY AND CREDIT DERIVATIVES?

Serbia has swallowed the bitter pill, the Albanians should do the same in future.
(perun_u, 27 September 2012 21:51)

How did Serbia swallow the bitter pill when for years we've been hearing about the great diplomatic victories of Serbia and how smart they played their cards and how Albanians got the short end of the stick. Now all of a sudden you've swallowed the bitter pill. You guys are something else. You are victorious and at the same time you are victims; you are the biggest winners and at the same time the biggest looser. This symptomatic of being a Serb.

Oh that's right, didn't Serbia just negotiate a $800 mil loan from her mother land Russia? Serbia also has been in negotiations with china on a similar loan also.. Well, I guess the best thing for Kosova is just to wait around a little while longer, we will see how long these loans will last, before Serbia is a broke joke again! Given Serbia's track record it won't be to long...

Another blunder from Nikolic.Not a right place for such rhetoric, he speaks as though elections are around the corner and his words are for Serbian consumption. One more thing "Innocent until proven Guilty" not the other way around, a World Statesmen should know that.

I dont think I will visit Croatia until Dalmatia is given back to Italy where it rightfully belongs and all the Slavs like Lenny are living in Zagreb.
(luciano, 27 September 2012 21:20) We don't need free loaders like Luciano here who uses rich people or anyone else hoping some crumbs will fall his way. As for beautiful Croatian Dalmatia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMSC8OWGYK4&feature=related come and get http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4ApetQPYU&feature=related it. Next time the border will be by Venice and we will hasten its sinking in to the Adriatic Sea bambino the Germans can have the northern parts that Italy stole from them.

What can Kosovo* (Prishtina administration) offer to Kosovo Serbs?
(aaayyy, 27 September 2012 19:08)
Pretty much what Serbs say they can offer the Albanians in Kosovo with couple of exceptions. Serbia has never officially offered it, while Kosovo already has the guarantees in their constitution. The Serbs revoked Albanian autonomy one time already with no indication that they could be trusted to not do so again.
The Rambouillet Accords left open an indeterminate future status which could include independence, which is exactly what "T" listed in his comment, which is why I made the comparison of his offer to RA.

Leonidas my friend I am a professor of economics. Luciano bam-bino so you are one of those "educated" idiots that screwed the local and world economy's it figures gracia.

(luciano

Let me start by saying that I do not purport to be an economist or an expert in economics.As a matter of fact I have never studied economics and everything I've mastered to date is through books or magazines but the impression that I get is that all the so-called economists are a bunch of BS.....s because they get nothing right.Now looking at your postings as a PROFESSOR IN ECONOMICS you conveniently fail to stipulate your thoughts on the EU and US crises.

The crisis in EU has got nothing to do with cyclical booms and busts.The imposition of a single currency on disparate economies creates surpluses in the stronger economies and deficits in the weaker ones.There is neither the will amongst the voters of the stronger economies nor the mechanism within the EU to distribute those surpluses to weaker countries in order to reach a financial equilibrium.Therefore, the countries with deficits have to introduce austerity measures with reductions in real wages and all other benefits in order to regain competitiveness.This process has been imposed on Greece and now Spain with destructive consequences and no way out.

With regard to US the Federal Reserve has ventured into the Twilight Zone.Chairman Ben Bernanke has loudly declared that he will print, print, and print some more in an effort to bolster employment despite the irrefutable evidence that all the past money printing efforts — from QE1 and QE2 aren't working.Come January 2013 and I will keep you posted.

Leonidas my friend I am a professor of economics -the Adam Smith kind not the Marxist type you seem enamored with- although Das Kapital is required reading even in the US for comparative purposes and I unfortunately dont even know how to say hello in Albanian although I have a lot of Greek friends and they tell me that Greeks in Greece pay Albanians low wages to do a lot of the grunt work there Greeks dont wanna do.As far as the buffoon Lenny is concerned who spends all day worshipping at Pavelic's grave when not busy submitting his idiotic postings here in very poor English I may add -if the Croats did not have the Serbs to back them up when Italy was ready to take back Dalmatia the Croats would be living only in Zagreb and the surrounding villages.Shalom

In any economic system you have the high achievers.The world economy is growing overall every year but in some countries it may be 2% such as the US and in other countries it may be 7% such as China and Turkey.Umfortunately in a few countries such as Greece it is not growing but the cyclical nature of booms and busts even themselves out over time.However, if everybody was to live within their means like the Germans do you would not have the need to borrow money which you are not able to repay.The world because of human nature being what it is will always be divided between people who see life as the glass being half full and the ones who view it as the glass being half empty.Have faith in human ingenuity and dont pay too much attention to doomsday charlatans.

What can Kosovo* (Prishtina administration) offer to Kosovo Serbs?
(aaayyy, 27 September 2012 19:08)

Nothing... but Kosovo Serbs have not asked to be independent from Kosovo so it is not Kosovo that is keeping them part of Kosovo against their will.

Let me start by saying that I do not purport to be an economist or an expert in economics.As a matter of fact I have never studied economics and everything I've mastered to date is through books or magazines but the impression that.
(Leonidas, 29 September 2012 01:02)

Actually you/we don't need to read/study any of that. We are so lucky to have a CE like sj in the B92 forums whose economic and financial analysis makes any other analysis ever produced look like rubish.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Just more words from schizophrenic Serbia we had them 20 + years looks to continue in infinitum. Please Serb "leaders" try too live in reality and try to talk coherently. Make appropriate sane actions before the world totally commits Serbia ay-yay-yay.

Recognition for Independence for Kosovo from Serbia will never happen. However it would be in everyone's best interest if some kind of agreement can be reached concerning autonomy for Kosovo, something that is reminiscent in the way the UK and Scotland are living peacefully, prosperously and agreeably alongside each other. Scotland has partial self-government within the United Kingdom as well as representation in the UK Parliament. Then when this works out well the subject of full independence could be discussed as is the case with the Scots, who are debating whether independence is right for them or not.

"... he did not see the point in the Kosovo or the EU dilemma and that he could not put such a question before the citizens."

Why not? Serbian people should be allowed to have a say on such a big issue...Nikolic wants to frustrate the whole reconciliation process and blame the other for the failure.

this guy is something else. Serbia will never get a date for EU talks if that is really what he wants. Completly unrealistic ideas, mixed with his nationalist rhetoric will get nowhere. The country that will suffer from such politics is Serbia, and its people. He will not get anywhere ......

Julian Assange sums up the US quite nicely in his speech to UN delegates. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjPAmTn0WYA

Serbia have President which is well-respected from both, Eastern and Western partner.

What can Kosovo* (Prishtina administration) offer to Kosovo Serbs?
(aaayyy, 27 September 2012 19:08)

The same things that Serbia is offering to Serbia Albanians in Presevo Valley.

Negotiations will be coordinated by the EU. Negotiations must be direct, without intermediaries. My opinion is that success of negotiations depends from Albanians, not from Serbia. Serbia has swallowed the bitter pill, the Albanians should do the same in future.
(perun_u, 27 September 2012 21:51)

What is the "bitter" pill that Serbia has swallowed? Being stopped from exterminating the Albanian population from Kosova?

Julian Assange sums up the US quite nicely in his speech to UN delegates. Check -> [link]
(Zoran, 27 September 2012 11:21)

What you have in US right now is Wall Street taking over the political process in exactly the same way as Mussolini had in Italy and is called fascism.Anyone rebelling is persecuted ,convicted and sent to Guantanamo gulag.It won't be too long before US citizens will only need two items,beans & guns in order to survive.

T, 27 September 2012 11:59
Yes you are right that WOULD have been the best solution, that is why exactly that was put forth in the Rambouillet Accords almost 14 years ago. However it is a different world now. With the UDI and its acceptance by more than 90 countries and the west declaring an end to supervised independence you will never get that now.
The one thing you and your buddies keep forgetting is you are offering nothing to the people of Kosovo other than to make Serbs happy.
Something similar to a confederation with equal rights to Serbia and Kosovo without either actually superior to the other is as close to a unification that you will see. That is even a very far fetched thought. I do not think that those in the international community actually trusts Serbia to honor any such agreement so they would not pressure Kosovo to accept and you would not be able to convince those in charge of Kosovo to agree otherwise.
The problem is you think that Serbia is giving up so much with such an offer, but the truth is you are offering them what they had, no more, before Serbia took it away. Realistically do you expect them to trust you will not do it again?

What you have in US right now is Wall Street taking over the political process in exactly the same way as Mussolini had in Italy and is called fascism.Anyone rebelling is persecuted ,convicted and sent to Guantanamo gulag.It won't be too long before US citizens will only need two items,beans & guns in order to survive.
(Leonidas, 27 September 2012 14:56)

Although your comment is extreme and not very well put your point is well taken.
Hopefully the facts that America is a huge country and full of diversity will offset the greed and licentiousness
of the Wall Street types that can be found throughout time and place.

Yes you are right that WOULD have been the best solution, that is why exactly that was put forth in the Rambouillet Accords almost 14 years ago.
(a New Day)
-------------
Rambouillet Accords implied Kosovo independence in several years.
(aaayyy)
------------
------------
The one thing you and your buddies keep forgetting is you are offering nothing to the people of Kosovo other than to make Serbs happy.
(a New Day)
------------
What can Kosovo* (Prishtina administration) offer to Kosovo Serbs?

Negotiations will be coordinated by the EU. Negotiations must be direct, without intermediaries. My opinion is that success of negotiations depends from Albanians, not from Serbia. Serbia has swallowed the bitter pill, the Albanians should do the same in future.

Serbian President Nikolic is a very capable and intelligent man, and a real fighter for the rights of Serbia and preserving her dignity. I'm sure that he'll do everything for the interest and welfare of Serbia, but I think that he has a small influence on the situation in Kosovo. Anyway... I wish him luck!

Leonidas ti kanis my friend all the Greeks I know here in Florida drive Mercedes and BMWs making a goldmine from selling those gyros which I love eating by the way. I am coming for a visit to Greece with one of my very rich Greek American friends lets have a drink I find your comments amusing to say the least.I dont think I will visit Croatia until Dalmatia is given back to Italy where it rightfully belongs and all the Slavs like Lenny are living in Zagreb.

I dont think I will visit Croatia until Dalmatia is given back to Italy where it rightfully belongs and all the Slavs like Lenny are living in Zagreb.
(luciano, 27 September 2012 21:20) We don't need free loaders like Luciano here who uses rich people or anyone else hoping some crumbs will fall his way. As for beautiful Croatian Dalmatia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMSC8OWGYK4&feature=related come and get http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4ApetQPYU&feature=related it. Next time the border will be by Venice and we will hasten its sinking in to the Adriatic Sea bambino the Germans can have the northern parts that Italy stole from them.

Serbia has swallowed the bitter pill, the Albanians should do the same in future.
(perun_u, 27 September 2012 21:51)

How did Serbia swallow the bitter pill when for years we've been hearing about the great diplomatic victories of Serbia and how smart they played their cards and how Albanians got the short end of the stick. Now all of a sudden you've swallowed the bitter pill. You guys are something else. You are victorious and at the same time you are victims; you are the biggest winners and at the same time the biggest looser. This symptomatic of being a Serb.

Oh that's right, didn't Serbia just negotiate a $800 mil loan from her mother land Russia? Serbia also has been in negotiations with china on a similar loan also.. Well, I guess the best thing for Kosova is just to wait around a little while longer, we will see how long these loans will last, before Serbia is a broke joke again! Given Serbia's track record it won't be to long...

Another blunder from Nikolic.Not a right place for such rhetoric, he speaks as though elections are around the corner and his words are for Serbian consumption. One more thing "Innocent until proven Guilty" not the other way around, a World Statesmen should know that.

(luciano, 27 September 2012 21:20)

My dear Albanian Luciano,if you recall, you were also laughing at my comments regarding the crisis affecting Greece and the EU last year and the year before. My point of argument then and still is that the Euro project "one size fits all" was an ill-conceived idea and the crisis affecting Greece would transcend to Spain,Portugal,Italy and others which it did big time.There is no cure,Merkel can jump up and down,the single currency is history.

US disease is not its debts but the corruptive culture which leads to those debts.This culture starts in Wall Street and US congress and trickles down to selected multinationals,professions (lobbyists) and other voting blocks.

The only ace left in Bernake's hand is the printing machines(I wonder how much overtime do the printers work).The Fed has already held interest rates near zero percent for four long years, now.It has already created $1.8 trillion out of thin air through QE I and QE II .So what's the result? No impact whatsoever on the real economy.As America approaches the precipice of its great fiscal cliff, the stock market looks for all the world as if it's a massive bubble about to burst and burst it will.
When it does you won't be laughing any longer!

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

BTW Are you able to read on the link I am sending you the number under the heading CURRENCY AND CREDIT DERIVATIVES?

Leonidas my friend I am a professor of economics -the Adam Smith kind not the Marxist type you seem enamored with- although Das Kapital is required reading even in the US for comparative purposes and I unfortunately dont even know how to say hello in Albanian although I have a lot of Greek friends and they tell me that Greeks in Greece pay Albanians low wages to do a lot of the grunt work there Greeks dont wanna do.As far as the buffoon Lenny is concerned who spends all day worshipping at Pavelic's grave when not busy submitting his idiotic postings here in very poor English I may add -if the Croats did not have the Serbs to back them up when Italy was ready to take back Dalmatia the Croats would be living only in Zagreb and the surrounding villages.Shalom

In any economic system you have the high achievers.The world economy is growing overall every year but in some countries it may be 2% such as the US and in other countries it may be 7% such as China and Turkey.Umfortunately in a few countries such as Greece it is not growing but the cyclical nature of booms and busts even themselves out over time.However, if everybody was to live within their means like the Germans do you would not have the need to borrow money which you are not able to repay.The world because of human nature being what it is will always be divided between people who see life as the glass being half full and the ones who view it as the glass being half empty.Have faith in human ingenuity and dont pay too much attention to doomsday charlatans.

Leonidas my friend I am a professor of economics. Luciano bam-bino so you are one of those "educated" idiots that screwed the local and world economy's it figures gracia.

What can Kosovo* (Prishtina administration) offer to Kosovo Serbs?
(aaayyy, 27 September 2012 19:08)
Pretty much what Serbs say they can offer the Albanians in Kosovo with couple of exceptions. Serbia has never officially offered it, while Kosovo already has the guarantees in their constitution. The Serbs revoked Albanian autonomy one time already with no indication that they could be trusted to not do so again.
The Rambouillet Accords left open an indeterminate future status which could include independence, which is exactly what "T" listed in his comment, which is why I made the comparison of his offer to RA.

(luciano

Let me start by saying that I do not purport to be an economist or an expert in economics.As a matter of fact I have never studied economics and everything I've mastered to date is through books or magazines but the impression that I get is that all the so-called economists are a bunch of BS.....s because they get nothing right.Now looking at your postings as a PROFESSOR IN ECONOMICS you conveniently fail to stipulate your thoughts on the EU and US crises.

The crisis in EU has got nothing to do with cyclical booms and busts.The imposition of a single currency on disparate economies creates surpluses in the stronger economies and deficits in the weaker ones.There is neither the will amongst the voters of the stronger economies nor the mechanism within the EU to distribute those surpluses to weaker countries in order to reach a financial equilibrium.Therefore, the countries with deficits have to introduce austerity measures with reductions in real wages and all other benefits in order to regain competitiveness.This process has been imposed on Greece and now Spain with destructive consequences and no way out.

With regard to US the Federal Reserve has ventured into the Twilight Zone.Chairman Ben Bernanke has loudly declared that he will print, print, and print some more in an effort to bolster employment despite the irrefutable evidence that all the past money printing efforts — from QE1 and QE2 aren't working.Come January 2013 and I will keep you posted.

What can Kosovo* (Prishtina administration) offer to Kosovo Serbs?
(aaayyy, 27 September 2012 19:08)

Nothing... but Kosovo Serbs have not asked to be independent from Kosovo so it is not Kosovo that is keeping them part of Kosovo against their will.

Let me start by saying that I do not purport to be an economist or an expert in economics.As a matter of fact I have never studied economics and everything I've mastered to date is through books or magazines but the impression that.
(Leonidas, 29 September 2012 01:02)

Actually you/we don't need to read/study any of that. We are so lucky to have a CE like sj in the B92 forums whose economic and financial analysis makes any other analysis ever produced look like rubish.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist