Austrian politician on "recognition, Dayton for Kosovo"

Austria generally has bad experiences when telling Serbia where it's place is. No wonder they need German backing again.Since when is looking to Russia bad? Angela Merkel speaks Russian even. To hell with this hypocrite.

Daytonisation of Kosova.
Daytonisation of Serbia.
Vojvodina - to Hungary.
Srijem - to Croatia.
East Serbia - to Hungary.
Preseva - to Kosova.
Remain? Belgrad and some small farms - to Russia

It is up to Serbia to decide where her place is and not some Austrian.

Still I don't understand why couldn't EU admit Serbia together with Kosovo (you one could say central Serbia and Kosovo* at the same time) and not care much about status of cetral Serbia - kosovo* border? Isn't it simple.

EU politicians keep saying that borders between countries don't matter much any longer. So what is all this mess about?

Albanian commentators, do not get your panties in a bunch. Serbia is not heading into the EU any time soon. The last thing that the EU needs now, or in the near future, is another financial strapped nation to bail out and support. Please think about what to are saying? This is all diplomatic rhetoric, and nothing else. This is what these Eurocrats are paid to do, blab. It will be a long tome before the EU will be ready to even consider a new candidate, and even longer before Serbia is actually in a position to join - if it even wants to. In the mean time Kosovo, will continue to be a frozen conflict for possibly decades to come. By then, the world, and world powers, will change dramatically.

"In my opinion, this can be done through a partition of Kosovo," he said.

I don't see any basis of this theory. If we go that way...God knows where we will end up.

Serbia will be asked in the strongest terms to recognise officially/formally Kosovo independence. If not then no EU prospect and physically already has lost Kosovo.

When it comes to northern Kosovo, Serb minority living there should have the same rights as those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.

The last worst option would be exchange of territory between Kosovo and Serbia.

the western occupiers are feeling that they will not be able to stabilize the k-albanian freak-creation forever, ..and now they try to trick Serbia into some dirty deal.

but why should Serbia divide something that is serbian as a whole? it is all serbian territory, and there is nothing to divide at all!

When it comes to northern Kosovo, Serb minority living there should have the same rights as those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. - EA
EA, what in God's name does Presevo, and Serbs living in N. KiM have in common? Why do you always bring up Presevo, etc.? Is it simply because Albanians live there? Are you the caretaker of your ethnicity? You remind me of radical muslims (are you?), when one revolts, they all do. As they are now over some cheap flick and cartoon. BTW, Serbia will never recognize an independent Albanian KiM, there isn't a beautiful enough EU for Serbia to do that.

I like the word Partition..

Northern Kosovo can go to serbia, the rest can either stay stand alone or merge with Albania.. There still will be 60 000 serbs in southern Kosovo and 30 000 Albanians in Southern Serbia.

- Rep Srpksa can merge with Serbia, the rest can be on its own or merge with Croatia

-North Western Macedonia where Albanians are a majority can merge with Albania, the rest can merge with Bulgaria

Southern Albania where Greeks make up a majority can go to Greece, South Eastern Albanian (prespa)where slavs are a majority can join FYROM which will eventually merge with MOther Bulgaria..

Lets face it, we can have peace if the above is implemented, however me thinks the Albanians are too selfish and do not dwell in reality hence will always never be happy and attempt to bite off more than they can chew..

If i were Albanian I would take what I have and run.. Albanians will always be the weakest mob in the Balkans.. the clan system can not compete with governence.. these people will always be backwards..

As a Kosovo Albanian, I am in favor of partition. You take our North and we take your south. Simple. Everyone is happy. Well the people living there would be happy, but of course not you; the patriots living behind a computer screen. Also to everyone in this board, the purpose of an argument is not winning, but progress. Chill.

I guess Nikolic's trip to Russia is having some impact. A while ago partition was an illusion, now it's starting to look like a reality.
The Serbs should not renege an inch of their soil. Wait it out and they'll have it all back. With Russion support, they have the upper hand.
Furthermore, the north is just a very small area, what about the enclaves and the monastaries spread throughout. I am totally opposed to partition because it gives territory to criminals and organ trafficers who have no right to it. Does any other country just partition their land because the Evil Empire dictates so? I believe western support is declining slowly for them to even suggest partition. Wait it out Serbia!! And if we'll have to go to war again, then so be it because this time around, I don't believe that Nato and the world will have the will. Nato already has their hands full. It will give the Albanians an opportunity to demonstrate the type of fighters they really are. Probably they'll be begging for forgiveness.

'(Bulgar of Ohrid'


Why the need for so many Slavic countries? Why not all of you join Russia or Belorussia as a pan Slavic soviet union?


Also, you know that the real Greeks are the Arvanita, no? How about the Arberesh and Arnauts also join Albania?


Anyway, destroying people farms to make up new farms is as stupid as the Serb myth of chosen losers, we are not animals and we do not need herders to tell us that we will eat grass for the common good.


Grow up and leave your nationalistic side out, all we need is voluntary organisation(business) to protect our private property, not like today that the police gets paid to send us to jail when we do not give them tax to fight and to profit.

Daytonisation of Kosova.
Daytonisation of Serbia.
Vojvodina - to Hungary.
Srijem - to Croatia.
East Serbia - to Hungary.
Preseva - to Kosova.
Remain? Belgrad and some small farms - to Russia

Adem

You and what army! Perhaps the albanian donkey division supported by the albanian human trafficing division! Ha ha ha!

Daytonisation of Kosova.
Daytonisation of Serbia.
Vojvodina - to Hungary.
Srijem - to Croatia.
East Serbia - to Hungary.
Preseva - to Kosova.
Remain? Belgrad and some small farms - to Russia
(Adem, 20 September 2012 16:50)

You forgot:
Northern Epirus to Greece
Skadar to Montenegro
Remaining Tirana as East Italy
Albanians can be cheap Italian labour or go back to Anatolia where they came from and live with Turks.

Where is "East Serbia" and why does it go to Hungary? Don't you mean Bulgaria? Get your geography straight.

Still I don't understand why couldn't EU admit Serbia together with Kosovo (you one could say central Serbia and Kosovo* at the same time) and not care much about status of cetral Serbia - kosovo* border? Isn't it simple.

Are you Serb commentator's on some serious mind altering chemicals or somthing? It simply will never happen, not for the next 1000 years, that's your answer! Kosova & Serbia will never be one again, Kosova & Serbia will never join any organazations as one ever again, Serbia will never speak on behalf of Kosova ever again! As of 1999, Serbia has no say in kosovar affairs, has no control over the geography of Kosova , and will never have controll of it period! 2nd point, Their will be no partition of any part of Kosova, what can happen is, if Serbia during the next round of nogociations brings to the table a proposal of a large degree of autonomy for the Albanians that live in, presevo, bujonovac, medvedja, as a enticement maybe the government of Kosova would in return offer a broad autonomy for northern Kosova! The reason I say this is if lets say partition was a serious option, their would have to be a partitioning of every country in the Balkans! And that in my opinion would be a very risky endeavor, and at the end of the day you would then in fact have not just a greater Albania, but a Super greater Albania! I mean simply put, Serbia just doesn't have the options it would like to have. U can always mobilize the armed forces & liberate Kosova...

OONLY media in Serbia are reporting about the Austrian "politician" Busek´s opinion. The pensioner Busek is 71 y. old and the serbian media could also report about the opinion of "Zvonko Petrovic" from Cacak. It seems that Serbian circles are asking for such comments from Busek & Co. to avoid to have an own position in important questions. So Serbia can show on Busek or third-class german MPs to accept the "pressures from abroad". Busek war ever a strong anti-serbian austrian, this was known. But he has nothing to say what will be happen. Sometimes it is better to ignore all such comments and to wait. There are countries which maintain a policy of deliberate ambiguity. Serbia should do also so in the Kosovo case.
(Michael, 20 September 2012 12:37)

Michael, I would not be too dismissive of Herr Busek's comments. He would not say those comments unless getting some kind of go ahead through some back channels in Vienna/Berlin. This is a classic kite flying exercise to assess the positions and responses from both Belgrade and Pristina. The real negotiations have not begun yet and may yet throw up a surprise or two.

Stay tuned.

I am all for partition or seperation or exchange or terriritories or call whatever you may like. Give Kosovo Medvegje, Bujanovc and Presheve and have your precious North. Why would any reasonable politician want to rule over a hostile population is just beyond me. If Serbs in the north prefer to join Serbia then by all means please do so. Problem Solved. Lets exchange the territories and sign a peace agreement. Afterwards Lets call a referendum and lets join Albania. Kosovo can still be a republic but in union with Albania. So if politicians want to really solve the issue it can be done. However why solve the issue when you can keep the people hostage and profit millions from it. Balkan style politics.

Funny how everytime some German issues an ultimatum to Serbia over Kosovo - whether it's from some Hohenzollern or Hapsburg wannabee, it usually comes with hidden concessions to Serbia. So now Serbia will "have" to recognize Kosovo but after some sort of Dayton agreement? Ok by me. So I think we'll take:

a) northern Kosovo
b) Novo Brdo
c) Strpce
d) Gnjilane (including the city since we already have control over the surrounding countryside - Albanians can concede that since they're getting a recognition in return)
e) All SPC monasteries
f) Kosovska Kamenica

as some sort of RS in Kosovo. Basically, upgrade what we're given in Ahtisaari to fully autonomous units. At that point, we have everything we deem to be part of our "cradle of civilization" and we can easily and happily recognize "rump-Kosova" in return.

Adem, EA, and other silly Albanian armchair diplomats of the Diaspora: remember we're talking about Kosovo here. Presevo, Vojvodina, Bosnia, FYROM, and Brooklyn do not count in this equation and will neither be brought up, nor supported by your international allies in the ensuing compromise. If you're that upset about the fate of Albanians in Presevo valley, I strongly suggest you encourage them to move either to "rump-Kosova", Albania Proper, or be just like you guys and move to Western Europe and/or North America :)

OONLY media in Serbia are reporting about the Austrian "politician" Busek´s opinion. The pensioner Busek is 71 y. old and the serbian media could also report about the opinion of "Zvonko Petrovic" from Cacak. It seems that Serbian circles are asking for such comments from Busek & Co. to avoid to have an own position in important questions. So Serbia can show on Busek or third-class german MPs to accept the "pressures from abroad". Busek war ever a strong anti-serbian austrian, this was known. But he has nothing to say what will be happen. Sometimes it is better to ignore all such comments and to wait. There are countries which maintain a policy of deliberate ambiguity. Serbia should do also so in the Kosovo case.

The EU/US (mainly Germany/US/UK) created this mess and now they are confused on how to solve it. No wonder Serbia is moving closer to Russia. A German controlled Europe is destined for failure (as history continues to show).

This makes even a larger mess of their so-called "Kosova"*. No Serbia in the EU means "Kosova"* moves from 6ft under to 12ft under.

Still I don't understand why couldn't EU admit Serbia together with Kosovo (you one could say central Serbia and Kosovo* at the same time) and not care much about status of cetral Serbia - kosovo* border? Isn't it simple.

EU politicians keep saying that borders between countries don't matter much any longer. So what is all this mess about?
(aaayyy, 20 September 2012 11:50)
Maybe is too keep safe the place of angels Serbia from this Albanian evil. With all this crimes that you pretend that Albanians do to Serbs is better to have a border between them.Don’t worry aaayyy everything is going as Milosevic wanted, ethnic separation.

so busek is offering to serbia what serbia already has - the non-occupied part of its province - to give the albanian daydreamers something they don´t have - a border that will feed them ...

wow, that would be great, wouldn´t it ?

Daytonisation of Kosova.
Daytonisation of Serbia.
Vojvodina - to Hungary.
Srijem - to Croatia.
East Serbia - to Hungary.
Preseva - to Kosova.
Remain? Belgrad and some small farms - to Russia
(Adem, 20 September 2012 16:50)

And then you wake up ;)

you albanians on here are not so smart for 1 the preshovo valley does not have a albanian majority anymore your a majority in i town thats it, so keep crying and to the other fool vojvodina has a 80% serb majority so cry and keep crying. lol. Srijem you say lol theres 10 croats that live there you foolish albanian. lol. then you again say east serbia lol which again its called vojvodina. lol. how dumb are albanians from 1-10 well its a no contest a big 10 but we do see north epurus going back to greece because it is greek and has a greek majority. then north albania should go back to serbia since it was serbian lands .... oh whats this 35% of albania none albanians lol, maybe you albanians should all move back to albania so it could be 15% none albanians. well in preshovo valley you had 60,000 and now only 40,000 so thats a drop and should move back to albania and in macedonia you say you had 500,000 but in the new census it shows 250,000 what happened you cant vote twice because of western powers so its a real census and in greece you said you had 600,000 but shows 300,000 what happened there ? so thats a total of 590,000 albanians in the area .move back to albania and be happy and oops forgot about kosovo,serbia you used to say there is 50 million albanians in kosovo and now 1.3 million albanians in the province what happened, you cant lie anymore because its the year 2012 not 1880.



http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianMinorities/AlbaniaMultiethnic.html

When it comes to northern Kosovo, Serb minority living there should have the same rights as those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. - EA

All Albanian reasoning here is based on the suggestion that central Serbia is Serbian land while Kosovo* is Albanian land, which is wrong - Kosovo* whatever status it has is Serbian-Albanian land.

You could say that Serb minority living IN ALBANIA should have the same rights as those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.

Sangjak with Plava and Gucija joins Kosova and Albania, Ulqin and all of Great Malsia included. What about 1 million Albos in Macedonia?.
(Nelli_Canada, 20 September 2012 17:50)

I thought the Albanians bastardization of Sandzak was "Sanxhak". Now it's "Sangjak"? If you're going to make up names for places you think belong to you but have no demographic representation in - all from a location far far away from where you put importance on - can you at least settle on a correct spelling?

@ EA

I would agree with you that peaceful coexistence is best however, unfortunately we do not have an ideal situation. In fact if one pays even superficial attention to the opinion of Serbs and Kosovo Albanians alike would most certainly find that they do not particularly like each-other and that in the right (or wrong obviously) circumstances they would slit each-others throats. I am not implying that they are barbaric only pointing to the unfortunate mindset that they find themselves due to myths, wrong version of history, much suffering and the worst light which the perceive each-other.

One, if indeed familiar with their history and with nationalism knows that they are just victims of ignorance and manipulation by ill thinking elites.

The mind set can be changed however that takes much time and most importantly the right circumstances. Unfortunately your proposition is a forced coexistence that hinders such process.

Nevertheless i am curious to know if you are capable of extending your thoughts on why would a territorial swap be the worst. If you would be so kind to reply i could share my own thoughts and perhaps we can both contribute to a constructive debate.

We could possibly daytonize Serbia and have Albanian parts of Serbia completely governed by Albanians, which is not a problem. But this is stupid, why should Serbia accept this and legitimize the occupation?

A real compromise is Kosovo to become a shared state. Where there are Serbian people (North Kosovo, Strpce, Gracanica, Novo Brdo) and maybe an enclave or two more......AND the Monasteries would function completely under Serbia. Meanwhile, the Albanian parts can be governed independently of Serbia.

Allow freedom of movement so that both Serbian and Albanian authorities can travel throughout the province to get to their segregated areas but Albanian officials have no jurisdiction in the Serbian population regions and Monasteries and Serbian officials have no jurisdiction in Pristina controlled parts.

That is real compromise. A partition at the Ibar is not a compromise because Serbia gives, but doesn't get anything. Lets hope cooler heads will prevail and we can do this for the sake of peace despite what both sides feel they are entitled too.

But the KLA is way too primitive to accept such a deal. Who will they blame as the source for 3rd world living standards for Albanians if this issue becomes resolved once and for all?

Its your hatred, primitiveness and all around stupidity that will lead the province into another war. And in that case, we will have to fight until one of us goes completely extinct because you don't want compromises.

I agree with some sort of partition whether it be physical or political.
Whether North Kosovo becomes part of Serbia completely or remains a part of Kosovo with autonomy and ties to Serbia.
My reasoning is simple. The longer Serbia insists on holding onto Kosovo which it will never control, cannot economically support and will remain a political nightmare it only delays Serbia's ability to move forward and create a better life for its citizens.
The longer Kosovo insists on holding onto the north which it will never control, cannot economically support and will remain a political nightmare itonly delays Kosovo's ability to move forward and create a better life for its ciitizens.
With a focus by both groups on moving forward and creating a betterlife and abandoning the deep rooted drive to stick it to the other side, it will be a better world for all involved.

Daytonisation of Kosova.
Daytonisation of Serbia.
Vojvodina - to Hungary.
Srijem - to Croatia.
East Serbia - to Hungary.
Preseva - to Kosova.
Remain? Belgrad and some small farms - to Russia - Adem
Hahahaha, your mother will marry Dacic, before any of the above happens. These are clearly pictures from your wet dreams. Hahahaha, you guys are good for laugh, thanks.

Serbia does not need the EU

Exactly my sentiment Michael. Why would Serbian media report babbling of this old man?
And not only because he is "third-class german MP" as you called him ( I wouldn't rank any German MP's higher then fourth-class) but because his ( or theirs ) statements are completely irrelevant and change all the time.

He said so himself.

"...adding that all the biggest EU countries, Germany in particular, "are expected to set new, additional preconditions for Serbia, as the integration process moves on".

We've seen this for more then 10 years. And today, when they say "there will be no new conditions for Serbia" or give any other statement, who can take them seriously? Most of the times I don't read any of their statements any more. Simply, they don't mean what they say, they don't say what they mean. Why bother with them?

Partition? Border change?, sure no problemo. Presheva, Medvegja and Bujanoc exchanged for Leposavic, Zubin potok and Zvecan. Sangjak with Plava and Gucija joins Kosova and Albania, Ulqin and all of Great Malsia included. What about 1 million Albos in Macedonia?. What about Cameria?. Do you really want another London Conference?. All countries around Serbia will ask to get their stolen lands back. I have a message for Serbs.....Don't chew more than you can swallow!.

the mere fact that some of our dear k-albanian friends here are promoting the idea of a division shows that they deep down inside know that they won´t get away with our land.

it is only a question of time, and we will liberate our southern province from the hands of evil.

=)


no partition, my albo-friends, time to wake up...

ps: the best joke was, when one of the k-albanians wrote about a "super greater albania"...

I couldn´t but smile...

Either Busek is being inconsistent or his words are being interpreted at will. I'm thinking the later... The links below from B92 might shed some light.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=02&dd=05&nav_id=78634

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=12&dd=19&nav_id=77871

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=11&dd=12&nav_id=77300

Never heard of this Busek-fellow before this morning, it doesn't sound like he is an important guy beyond the town he lives in.

Bekim wrote:

"Michael, I would not be too dismissive of Herr Busek's comments. He would not say those comments unless getting some kind of go ahead through some back channels in Vienna/Berlin. This is a classic kite flying exercise to assess the positions and responses from both Belgrade and Pristina. The real negotiations have not begun yet and may yet throw up a surprise or two. "

Sure I have also a "go ahaed" over "back channels" from Rio, Vaduz, Dehli and Nairobi and you surely from a local district "opstina" in Novi Sad.
So pilitics is working: they are looking for a pensioner and then making the "top-secret" comments for the "important" contacts between Belgrade and Prishtina. There is the old joke from the old imperial Vienna: two high-rank Austrian officers are speaking, one is asking the other: do you know the now our new weapons? Answer: No, this is soo secret, only the foreign military attachees are knowing it.
And sure: The whole world is dealing with Serbian affairs in conspiracy of old pensioners which is only visible in the world-press from Belgrade.

Nikolle,
Every other comment of your fellow Albanian posters says that if KSerbs don't integrate into Albanian Kosovo* they will be expelled as Krajina Serbs were. Haven't you noticed such comments?

As a Kosovo Albanian, I am in favor of partition. You take our North and we take your south. Simple. Everyone is happy. Well the people living there would be happy, but of course not you; the patriots living behind a computer screen. Also to everyone in this board, the purpose of an argument is not winning, but progress. Chill.
(Albi, 20 September 2012 16:13)

What about Serbian old monasteries and the land where Kosovo battle took place 1389? Does Serbia get that back?

You could say that Serb minority living IN ALBANIA should have the same rights as those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
(aaayyy, 20 September 2012 19:36)

Yes, but that would be incorrect. The Serbs and Greeks living in Albania have far less rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.

Interestingly topics on Kosovo always receive more comments than any other topic. Why? Is the economy not important, or issues on corruption or education? Kosovo brings out emotions in people that other topics cannot. The economy is bad, so be it. Corruption is rife, which is part of life. But Kosovo is Serbian or Albanian, depending which way you look at it. It is not dissimilar to 2 rival teams at a football match, Partizan against Red Star for instance. It is typical for governments to start a fight with others on territory or religion when things at home are bad. As long as there are conflicts people forget things that really matter. Things like jobs, money, security, prosperity and the future of our children. A conflict also conveniently gives those in power ample chances of diverting tax payers money to their own pockets. Nobody notices because everybody is preoccupied with their enemy. Yesterday the enemy was NATO, today the Albanias, tomorrow it will no doubt be Islam. If Kosovo were divided than that would be it. Problem solved. But that would be too easy and what will our politicians will have to do then? Focus on the mundane things in life such as building a prosperous nation, fighting crime and corruption, improve education? Now that would be real work. Who is up to the task?

I know one thing :Serbia is the country in which live the peoples of all nations, religion, color ... Please correct me if I'm wrong? The so-called Republic of Kosovo, for example cannot be proud of respecting human rights, the return of people to their homes, freedom of movement, etc. .. correct me if I'm wrong ...!?

Take something mine and I will take something yours,that should be parole for all.Lets move Serbian people from Kosovo in Germany or France or any other country in EU and ask for part of the land and call it ours.If it’s so easy let’s do it !!

Nevertheless i am curious to know if you are capable of extending your thoughts on why would a territorial swap be the worst.

(Curiosityxhasxlanded, 20 September 2012 13:35)

Thanks for taking time and showing an interest in my comment. The swaping territories especially in the Balcans can be a very dangerous option especially in practice. In theory yes especially when we are talking about a straight swap. There are many factors to take into consideration ie the economical value of that territory how that might effect the well-being of they respective countries/territories in our case Kosovo and Serbia. It will instigate others look for similar "solutions"...In other word becomes like a precedent. If Serbia and Kosovo wants to join the EU then they have to accept EU standards and values, how Yugoslavia was dissolved. When West was warning Serbia, the answer was "Kosovo was an internal affair of Serbia". We all know without prejudice how Kosovo became independent from Serbia. I can gather from the way you address to me that you also know it well. Serbian political leaders especially Milloshevic are to blame for the loss of Kosovo. Current Serbian leadership sees the solutions for Kosovo in Serbian constitution....Now they are talking about a referendum. How bad that can be for a country which is thinking to join EU...So Serbia needs a straight talking/messege. Before joining the EU must recognise officially/formally Kosovo independence. Then if both agree for a swap..why not

aaayyy are you still persisting with this nonsense about Serbian-Albanian land? so what the hell is the Moon? Rock land? Kosova is neither Serbian-Albanian, nor is it Albanian-Serbian, it is just land, full stop. it is however, inhabited by 90% Albanians. this is demographic fact. Most likely partition WILL happen, as the current impasse is purely and simply over the North. Those Serb enclaves inside Kosova are not an issue for a simple reason, they are surrounded by Albanians. They have one of three choices, isolate themselves forever, or integrate or leave. Now the first option is not really viable, as one needs education, a job and so on. the north is a different matter as it is adjacent to Serbia. however, let me spell it out for raving mad nationalists like Jovan, there will NEVER again be Serbian police inside Prishtina, Peja, Gjakova, Prizren and pretty much all of Kosova outside Northern Mitrovica. You can invoke your rhetoric till kingdom come, its not going to to happen.

OMG this become silly (and very sad at the same time) One country have to give the part of her own land to get membership in EU ,in the same time that country is one of the oldest country in Europe and she give trough the history a big contribution to freedom fighting against many enemies together with all to who word freedom means something.

As long as the drugs travel over the Kosovo ,Serbia will not have that land.USA need that money to finance their own government and for that reason stupid Albanian are still alive (just a little bit according to all that depleted uranium that they get from their so called American “friends”) Hope that you enjoy in gift …

aaayyy are you still persisting with this nonsense about Serbian-Albanian land? so what the hell is the Moon? Rock land? Kosova is neither Serbian-Albanian, nor is it Albanian-Serbian, it is just land, full stop. it is however, inhabited by 90% Albanians. this is demographic fact. Most likely partition WILL happen, as the current impasse is purely and simply over the North. Those Serb enclaves inside Kosova are not an issue for a simple reason, they are surrounded by Albanians. They have one of three choices, isolate themselves forever, or integrate or leave. Now the first option is not really viable, as one needs education, a job and so on. the north is a different matter as it is adjacent to Serbia.
(Nikolle, 21 September 2012 09:25)

See how it irritates you when I say that Kosovo is Serbian-Albanian land (or Albanian-Serbian land). And leave the Moon alone - it's peaceful land without ethnic conflicts.

Actually you see Kosovo as Albanian land where Albanians could live as they pleased while Serbs have to integrate themselves to their community as if they were foreigners there, while it is not. But actually you both are supposed to integrate themselves to share the same land.

See hoe Switzerland functions - German enclaves are in majority but they don't suppress the others.

kosova is serb-albanian land? it isn't, land is land.
(Nikolle, 21 September 2012 12:42)

So what is your point? Which difference does it make whether it is Serb-Albanian land or just land? Which deep scientific conclusion could you derive from your statement?

My point is that KSerbs are not foreigners in Kosovo so they shouldn't be forced to integrate themselves into Albanian community or leave.

OMG this become silly (and very sad at the same time) One country have to give the part of her own land to get membership in EU ,in the same time that country is one of the oldest country in Europe and she give trough the history a big contribution to freedom fighting against many enemies together with all to who word freedom means something.
(B ninety two, 21 September 2012 10:13)

hei there so you think serbia is one of the oldest cauntrys of europe?
irony right?

A health check is needed for those whom do not want to compare the rights of Albanians living in Presevom Bujanovc and Medvegja to the rights of Serb minority living in northern Kosovo,
(EA, 20 September 2012 23:46)

You might want to be the first person to give yourself a medical examination since you always throw in Presevo as an ending to your thoughts on Kosovo without providing any logical or relevant connection beyond what is clearly some emotional attachment to a land populated by Albanians. There are no barricades, "parallel institutions", or threats from extremists in Presevo by Serbs as there are in northern Kosovo by Albanians - or worse by the Albanian government in Pristina. Try providing some actual statistics and facts instead of throwing out "Presevo" as a sound byte and then getting upset when you're not taken seriously :)

I have come to this conclusion, all the Albanians on this site are definately on some kind of illusionary drug substance, all of a sudden the buggers own everything according to them?? this beggars belief it really does.

They all live in cloud cuckoo land by the sounds of it, at this rate they'll be demanding the USA as theirs aswell. Actually, that wouldn't be a bad thing as then they could all move to America and be the puppy dogs they want to be for their US masters.

Suggestion for all countries that want to change borders on Balkan : Please clean your own backyard and give every nation in your country part of your land and then you can do it in other countries !!!

oh i see, you mean you are standing up for the victim. well pardon me for not taking you seriously. you have a record of endorsing ethnic cleansing here, or have you forgotten your other points when you used to write that K. ALbanians missed a glorious chance to relocate en masse to the West in 1999? as for you thinking you're irritating me, you're not, most of you write is so vacuous that it is deserving of ridicule. kosova is serb-albanian land? it isn't, land is land.

To those whom do not wish to understand/listen to the truth.

There will no division of Kosovo itself as many Serbs would wish. Swaping could be NOT the best option BUT those whom will ask for it might regret at the end.

To those whom do not know or whom do not wish to know Kosovo territory is populated by overwehelming majority by Albanians and is not and will never be under Serbian sovereignity or territorial integrity again...Serbian constitution means nothing to Kosovo.

A health check is needed for those whom do not want to compare the rights of Albanians living in Presevom Bujanovc and Medvegja to the rights of Serb minority living in northern Kosovo,

ps: the best joke was, when one of the k-albanians wrote about a "super greater albania"...

I couldn´t but smile...
(Jovan, 20 September 2012 19:54)


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Smile? You may claim. The Serbs have been fearing the Albanian unification since its awakening in Prizren.

During the 12th century, and WW1, Serbs had no motive to fear the consequences of expanding on Albanian lands.Oh what an opportunity to prey on weak Albanians with no allies and no government/state.

If Serbia and Kosovo (at this moment still a UN governed Serbian province) agree: why not?

Serbia does not need the EU
(Terry, 20 September 2012 23:24)
Maybe you might want to look at some of the other news articles of the day before commenting. Not doing so hot on your own.

@ EA
Thank for the reply!
I do understand the fear of precedent, if indeed that would be the case and would stimulate conflict be it in the Balkans or elsewhere i would oppose it strongly as that is a prime concern. However that is not the case as studies from the 'International Crisis Group' and 'The German Institute for International and Security Affairs' assert (sorry for not going into details but its quite long).

In the International system only interests play real role while law (what little exists) is used mainly for rhetoric, when fits interests and is interpreted at will (see article on self-determination for example, or what is genocide or ethnic cleansing). To illustrate it, Russia, a fierce opponent of Kosovo's independence recognized Abhkazia and South Osetia while Turkey recognized Kosovo despite the Kurdish problem. If one looks deep, paradoxes seem the rule rather than the exception. If the territorial swap would be a precedent, than many other unilateral recognized secessionist movements (even Kos independence declaration if you will) would have already opened "Pandora's Box". Yet that's not how the International System works.

The swap would be accepted by both (studies citing talks with high officials show) and would resemble the good example of Czechoslovakia split i.e. done in a peaceful manner through negotiations.

I must beforehand apologize for continuing in another message due to the complexity of the situation and little space at hand.

@ EA part 2
Your care for peoples life impacts is most righteous however we have to keep in mind that a swap does not imply North and Presevo as it currently stand, but a border negotiation taking into account the territories viability and population needs, not the least will the locals express themselves in referendum. Needless to say that the one who remain must be granted all rights by both parties.

Such solution has no purpose of rewarding ethnically pure states but rather to make an historical compromise between Serbs an Albanians and to provide for the circumstance for wounds to heal and make peaceful coexistence viable.
Studies show that after Croatia's independence the two peoples now don't have current territorial disputes hence their relations have improved not that they like each-other but that they are not willing to fight. Of course that's not the best example as it was done through the ethnic cleansing of the Serbs.

The swap would hold but a symbolic value allowing Countries and people to move forward. Needles to say that hard line nationalists will always quarrel in sites such as these but as long as there are no ground ones its fine.
Thus when a swap is mentioned is not meant in rigid terms.
As for EU values that's a simple must.

Hope i contributed given the space and the complexity of the issue.

If Kosovo is to be partitioned, hopefully the ethnic basis to be used is the one from 1998, not 2000.

The Serbs who have left Kosovo must of course be able to return to their homes or be given land in some part of Serbian Kosovo. Also, the Bosniaks between Prizren and Strpce, as well as the Gorani, would have to be given the right either to join Serbian Kosovo, or join Kosova.

You might want to be the first person to give yourself a medical examination since you always throw in Presevo as an ending to your thoughts on Kosovo without providing any logical or relevant connection beyond what is clearly some emotional attachment to a land populated by Albanians. There are no barricades, "parallel institutions", or threats from extremists in Presevo by Serbs as there are in northern Kosovo by Albanians - or worse by the Albanian government in Pristina. Try providing some actual statistics and facts instead of throwing out "Presevo" as a sound byte and then getting upset when you're not taken seriously :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 21 September 2012 18:40)

There are no barricades by Albanians in North Kosovo either. Try providing some actual statistics and facts instead aboout "North Kosovo" instead of getting upset when you're not taken seriously :)

I like the word Partition..

Northern Kosovo can go to serbia, the rest can either stay stand alone or merge with Albania.. There still will be 60 000 serbs in southern Kosovo and 30 000 Albanians in Southern Serbia.

- Rep Srpksa can merge with Serbia, the rest can be on its own or merge with Croatia

-North Western Macedonia where Albanians are a majority can merge with Albania, the rest can merge with Bulgaria

Southern Albania where Greeks make up a majority can go to Greece, South Eastern Albanian (prespa)where slavs are a majority can join FYROM which will eventually merge with MOther Bulgaria..

Lets face it, we can have peace if the above is implemented, however me thinks the Albanians are too selfish and do not dwell in reality hence will always never be happy and attempt to bite off more than they can chew..

If i were Albanian I would take what I have and run.. Albanians will always be the weakest mob in the Balkans.. the clan system can not compete with governence.. these people will always be backwards..

It is up to Serbia to decide where her place is and not some Austrian.

Austria generally has bad experiences when telling Serbia where it's place is. No wonder they need German backing again.Since when is looking to Russia bad? Angela Merkel speaks Russian even. To hell with this hypocrite.

Still I don't understand why couldn't EU admit Serbia together with Kosovo (you one could say central Serbia and Kosovo* at the same time) and not care much about status of cetral Serbia - kosovo* border? Isn't it simple.

EU politicians keep saying that borders between countries don't matter much any longer. So what is all this mess about?

When it comes to northern Kosovo, Serb minority living there should have the same rights as those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. - EA
EA, what in God's name does Presevo, and Serbs living in N. KiM have in common? Why do you always bring up Presevo, etc.? Is it simply because Albanians live there? Are you the caretaker of your ethnicity? You remind me of radical muslims (are you?), when one revolts, they all do. As they are now over some cheap flick and cartoon. BTW, Serbia will never recognize an independent Albanian KiM, there isn't a beautiful enough EU for Serbia to do that.

the western occupiers are feeling that they will not be able to stabilize the k-albanian freak-creation forever, ..and now they try to trick Serbia into some dirty deal.

but why should Serbia divide something that is serbian as a whole? it is all serbian territory, and there is nothing to divide at all!

"In my opinion, this can be done through a partition of Kosovo," he said.

I don't see any basis of this theory. If we go that way...God knows where we will end up.

Serbia will be asked in the strongest terms to recognise officially/formally Kosovo independence. If not then no EU prospect and physically already has lost Kosovo.

When it comes to northern Kosovo, Serb minority living there should have the same rights as those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.

The last worst option would be exchange of territory between Kosovo and Serbia.

Albanian commentators, do not get your panties in a bunch. Serbia is not heading into the EU any time soon. The last thing that the EU needs now, or in the near future, is another financial strapped nation to bail out and support. Please think about what to are saying? This is all diplomatic rhetoric, and nothing else. This is what these Eurocrats are paid to do, blab. It will be a long tome before the EU will be ready to even consider a new candidate, and even longer before Serbia is actually in a position to join - if it even wants to. In the mean time Kosovo, will continue to be a frozen conflict for possibly decades to come. By then, the world, and world powers, will change dramatically.

Daytonisation of Kosova.
Daytonisation of Serbia.
Vojvodina - to Hungary.
Srijem - to Croatia.
East Serbia - to Hungary.
Preseva - to Kosova.
Remain? Belgrad and some small farms - to Russia

OONLY media in Serbia are reporting about the Austrian "politician" Busek´s opinion. The pensioner Busek is 71 y. old and the serbian media could also report about the opinion of "Zvonko Petrovic" from Cacak. It seems that Serbian circles are asking for such comments from Busek & Co. to avoid to have an own position in important questions. So Serbia can show on Busek or third-class german MPs to accept the "pressures from abroad". Busek war ever a strong anti-serbian austrian, this was known. But he has nothing to say what will be happen. Sometimes it is better to ignore all such comments and to wait. There are countries which maintain a policy of deliberate ambiguity. Serbia should do also so in the Kosovo case.

We could possibly daytonize Serbia and have Albanian parts of Serbia completely governed by Albanians, which is not a problem. But this is stupid, why should Serbia accept this and legitimize the occupation?

A real compromise is Kosovo to become a shared state. Where there are Serbian people (North Kosovo, Strpce, Gracanica, Novo Brdo) and maybe an enclave or two more......AND the Monasteries would function completely under Serbia. Meanwhile, the Albanian parts can be governed independently of Serbia.

Allow freedom of movement so that both Serbian and Albanian authorities can travel throughout the province to get to their segregated areas but Albanian officials have no jurisdiction in the Serbian population regions and Monasteries and Serbian officials have no jurisdiction in Pristina controlled parts.

That is real compromise. A partition at the Ibar is not a compromise because Serbia gives, but doesn't get anything. Lets hope cooler heads will prevail and we can do this for the sake of peace despite what both sides feel they are entitled too.

But the KLA is way too primitive to accept such a deal. Who will they blame as the source for 3rd world living standards for Albanians if this issue becomes resolved once and for all?

Its your hatred, primitiveness and all around stupidity that will lead the province into another war. And in that case, we will have to fight until one of us goes completely extinct because you don't want compromises.

I guess Nikolic's trip to Russia is having some impact. A while ago partition was an illusion, now it's starting to look like a reality.
The Serbs should not renege an inch of their soil. Wait it out and they'll have it all back. With Russion support, they have the upper hand.
Furthermore, the north is just a very small area, what about the enclaves and the monastaries spread throughout. I am totally opposed to partition because it gives territory to criminals and organ trafficers who have no right to it. Does any other country just partition their land because the Evil Empire dictates so? I believe western support is declining slowly for them to even suggest partition. Wait it out Serbia!! And if we'll have to go to war again, then so be it because this time around, I don't believe that Nato and the world will have the will. Nato already has their hands full. It will give the Albanians an opportunity to demonstrate the type of fighters they really are. Probably they'll be begging for forgiveness.

Partition? Border change?, sure no problemo. Presheva, Medvegja and Bujanoc exchanged for Leposavic, Zubin potok and Zvecan. Sangjak with Plava and Gucija joins Kosova and Albania, Ulqin and all of Great Malsia included. What about 1 million Albos in Macedonia?. What about Cameria?. Do you really want another London Conference?. All countries around Serbia will ask to get their stolen lands back. I have a message for Serbs.....Don't chew more than you can swallow!.

Still I don't understand why couldn't EU admit Serbia together with Kosovo (you one could say central Serbia and Kosovo* at the same time) and not care much about status of cetral Serbia - kosovo* border? Isn't it simple.

Are you Serb commentator's on some serious mind altering chemicals or somthing? It simply will never happen, not for the next 1000 years, that's your answer! Kosova & Serbia will never be one again, Kosova & Serbia will never join any organazations as one ever again, Serbia will never speak on behalf of Kosova ever again! As of 1999, Serbia has no say in kosovar affairs, has no control over the geography of Kosova , and will never have controll of it period! 2nd point, Their will be no partition of any part of Kosova, what can happen is, if Serbia during the next round of nogociations brings to the table a proposal of a large degree of autonomy for the Albanians that live in, presevo, bujonovac, medvedja, as a enticement maybe the government of Kosova would in return offer a broad autonomy for northern Kosova! The reason I say this is if lets say partition was a serious option, their would have to be a partitioning of every country in the Balkans! And that in my opinion would be a very risky endeavor, and at the end of the day you would then in fact have not just a greater Albania, but a Super greater Albania! I mean simply put, Serbia just doesn't have the options it would like to have. U can always mobilize the armed forces & liberate Kosova...

The EU/US (mainly Germany/US/UK) created this mess and now they are confused on how to solve it. No wonder Serbia is moving closer to Russia. A German controlled Europe is destined for failure (as history continues to show).

This makes even a larger mess of their so-called "Kosova"*. No Serbia in the EU means "Kosova"* moves from 6ft under to 12ft under.

Daytonisation of Kosova.
Daytonisation of Serbia.
Vojvodina - to Hungary.
Srijem - to Croatia.
East Serbia - to Hungary.
Preseva - to Kosova.
Remain? Belgrad and some small farms - to Russia
(Adem, 20 September 2012 16:50)

You forgot:
Northern Epirus to Greece
Skadar to Montenegro
Remaining Tirana as East Italy
Albanians can be cheap Italian labour or go back to Anatolia where they came from and live with Turks.

Where is "East Serbia" and why does it go to Hungary? Don't you mean Bulgaria? Get your geography straight.

Daytonisation of Kosova.
Daytonisation of Serbia.
Vojvodina - to Hungary.
Srijem - to Croatia.
East Serbia - to Hungary.
Preseva - to Kosova.
Remain? Belgrad and some small farms - to Russia

Adem

You and what army! Perhaps the albanian donkey division supported by the albanian human trafficing division! Ha ha ha!

so busek is offering to serbia what serbia already has - the non-occupied part of its province - to give the albanian daydreamers something they don´t have - a border that will feed them ...

wow, that would be great, wouldn´t it ?

As a Kosovo Albanian, I am in favor of partition. You take our North and we take your south. Simple. Everyone is happy. Well the people living there would be happy, but of course not you; the patriots living behind a computer screen. Also to everyone in this board, the purpose of an argument is not winning, but progress. Chill.

Daytonisation of Kosova.
Daytonisation of Serbia.
Vojvodina - to Hungary.
Srijem - to Croatia.
East Serbia - to Hungary.
Preseva - to Kosova.
Remain? Belgrad and some small farms - to Russia
(Adem, 20 September 2012 16:50)

And then you wake up ;)

Serbia does not need the EU

Still I don't understand why couldn't EU admit Serbia together with Kosovo (you one could say central Serbia and Kosovo* at the same time) and not care much about status of cetral Serbia - kosovo* border? Isn't it simple.

EU politicians keep saying that borders between countries don't matter much any longer. So what is all this mess about?
(aaayyy, 20 September 2012 11:50)
Maybe is too keep safe the place of angels Serbia from this Albanian evil. With all this crimes that you pretend that Albanians do to Serbs is better to have a border between them.Don’t worry aaayyy everything is going as Milosevic wanted, ethnic separation.

Daytonisation of Kosova.
Daytonisation of Serbia.
Vojvodina - to Hungary.
Srijem - to Croatia.
East Serbia - to Hungary.
Preseva - to Kosova.
Remain? Belgrad and some small farms - to Russia - Adem
Hahahaha, your mother will marry Dacic, before any of the above happens. These are clearly pictures from your wet dreams. Hahahaha, you guys are good for laugh, thanks.

As a Kosovo Albanian, I am in favor of partition. You take our North and we take your south. Simple. Everyone is happy. Well the people living there would be happy, but of course not you; the patriots living behind a computer screen. Also to everyone in this board, the purpose of an argument is not winning, but progress. Chill.
(Albi, 20 September 2012 16:13)

What about Serbian old monasteries and the land where Kosovo battle took place 1389? Does Serbia get that back?

I agree with some sort of partition whether it be physical or political.
Whether North Kosovo becomes part of Serbia completely or remains a part of Kosovo with autonomy and ties to Serbia.
My reasoning is simple. The longer Serbia insists on holding onto Kosovo which it will never control, cannot economically support and will remain a political nightmare it only delays Serbia's ability to move forward and create a better life for its citizens.
The longer Kosovo insists on holding onto the north which it will never control, cannot economically support and will remain a political nightmare itonly delays Kosovo's ability to move forward and create a better life for its ciitizens.
With a focus by both groups on moving forward and creating a betterlife and abandoning the deep rooted drive to stick it to the other side, it will be a better world for all involved.

Bekim wrote:

"Michael, I would not be too dismissive of Herr Busek's comments. He would not say those comments unless getting some kind of go ahead through some back channels in Vienna/Berlin. This is a classic kite flying exercise to assess the positions and responses from both Belgrade and Pristina. The real negotiations have not begun yet and may yet throw up a surprise or two. "

Sure I have also a "go ahaed" over "back channels" from Rio, Vaduz, Dehli and Nairobi and you surely from a local district "opstina" in Novi Sad.
So pilitics is working: they are looking for a pensioner and then making the "top-secret" comments for the "important" contacts between Belgrade and Prishtina. There is the old joke from the old imperial Vienna: two high-rank Austrian officers are speaking, one is asking the other: do you know the now our new weapons? Answer: No, this is soo secret, only the foreign military attachees are knowing it.
And sure: The whole world is dealing with Serbian affairs in conspiracy of old pensioners which is only visible in the world-press from Belgrade.

Funny how everytime some German issues an ultimatum to Serbia over Kosovo - whether it's from some Hohenzollern or Hapsburg wannabee, it usually comes with hidden concessions to Serbia. So now Serbia will "have" to recognize Kosovo but after some sort of Dayton agreement? Ok by me. So I think we'll take:

a) northern Kosovo
b) Novo Brdo
c) Strpce
d) Gnjilane (including the city since we already have control over the surrounding countryside - Albanians can concede that since they're getting a recognition in return)
e) All SPC monasteries
f) Kosovska Kamenica

as some sort of RS in Kosovo. Basically, upgrade what we're given in Ahtisaari to fully autonomous units. At that point, we have everything we deem to be part of our "cradle of civilization" and we can easily and happily recognize "rump-Kosova" in return.

Adem, EA, and other silly Albanian armchair diplomats of the Diaspora: remember we're talking about Kosovo here. Presevo, Vojvodina, Bosnia, FYROM, and Brooklyn do not count in this equation and will neither be brought up, nor supported by your international allies in the ensuing compromise. If you're that upset about the fate of Albanians in Presevo valley, I strongly suggest you encourage them to move either to "rump-Kosova", Albania Proper, or be just like you guys and move to Western Europe and/or North America :)

When it comes to northern Kosovo, Serb minority living there should have the same rights as those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. - EA

All Albanian reasoning here is based on the suggestion that central Serbia is Serbian land while Kosovo* is Albanian land, which is wrong - Kosovo* whatever status it has is Serbian-Albanian land.

You could say that Serb minority living IN ALBANIA should have the same rights as those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.

@ EA

I would agree with you that peaceful coexistence is best however, unfortunately we do not have an ideal situation. In fact if one pays even superficial attention to the opinion of Serbs and Kosovo Albanians alike would most certainly find that they do not particularly like each-other and that in the right (or wrong obviously) circumstances they would slit each-others throats. I am not implying that they are barbaric only pointing to the unfortunate mindset that they find themselves due to myths, wrong version of history, much suffering and the worst light which the perceive each-other.

One, if indeed familiar with their history and with nationalism knows that they are just victims of ignorance and manipulation by ill thinking elites.

The mind set can be changed however that takes much time and most importantly the right circumstances. Unfortunately your proposition is a forced coexistence that hinders such process.

Nevertheless i am curious to know if you are capable of extending your thoughts on why would a territorial swap be the worst. If you would be so kind to reply i could share my own thoughts and perhaps we can both contribute to a constructive debate.

Never heard of this Busek-fellow before this morning, it doesn't sound like he is an important guy beyond the town he lives in.

OONLY media in Serbia are reporting about the Austrian "politician" Busek´s opinion. The pensioner Busek is 71 y. old and the serbian media could also report about the opinion of "Zvonko Petrovic" from Cacak. It seems that Serbian circles are asking for such comments from Busek & Co. to avoid to have an own position in important questions. So Serbia can show on Busek or third-class german MPs to accept the "pressures from abroad". Busek war ever a strong anti-serbian austrian, this was known. But he has nothing to say what will be happen. Sometimes it is better to ignore all such comments and to wait. There are countries which maintain a policy of deliberate ambiguity. Serbia should do also so in the Kosovo case.
(Michael, 20 September 2012 12:37)

Michael, I would not be too dismissive of Herr Busek's comments. He would not say those comments unless getting some kind of go ahead through some back channels in Vienna/Berlin. This is a classic kite flying exercise to assess the positions and responses from both Belgrade and Pristina. The real negotiations have not begun yet and may yet throw up a surprise or two.

Stay tuned.

'(Bulgar of Ohrid'


Why the need for so many Slavic countries? Why not all of you join Russia or Belorussia as a pan Slavic soviet union?


Also, you know that the real Greeks are the Arvanita, no? How about the Arberesh and Arnauts also join Albania?


Anyway, destroying people farms to make up new farms is as stupid as the Serb myth of chosen losers, we are not animals and we do not need herders to tell us that we will eat grass for the common good.


Grow up and leave your nationalistic side out, all we need is voluntary organisation(business) to protect our private property, not like today that the police gets paid to send us to jail when we do not give them tax to fight and to profit.

I am all for partition or seperation or exchange or terriritories or call whatever you may like. Give Kosovo Medvegje, Bujanovc and Presheve and have your precious North. Why would any reasonable politician want to rule over a hostile population is just beyond me. If Serbs in the north prefer to join Serbia then by all means please do so. Problem Solved. Lets exchange the territories and sign a peace agreement. Afterwards Lets call a referendum and lets join Albania. Kosovo can still be a republic but in union with Albania. So if politicians want to really solve the issue it can be done. However why solve the issue when you can keep the people hostage and profit millions from it. Balkan style politics.

Exactly my sentiment Michael. Why would Serbian media report babbling of this old man?
And not only because he is "third-class german MP" as you called him ( I wouldn't rank any German MP's higher then fourth-class) but because his ( or theirs ) statements are completely irrelevant and change all the time.

He said so himself.

"...adding that all the biggest EU countries, Germany in particular, "are expected to set new, additional preconditions for Serbia, as the integration process moves on".

We've seen this for more then 10 years. And today, when they say "there will be no new conditions for Serbia" or give any other statement, who can take them seriously? Most of the times I don't read any of their statements any more. Simply, they don't mean what they say, they don't say what they mean. Why bother with them?

you albanians on here are not so smart for 1 the preshovo valley does not have a albanian majority anymore your a majority in i town thats it, so keep crying and to the other fool vojvodina has a 80% serb majority so cry and keep crying. lol. Srijem you say lol theres 10 croats that live there you foolish albanian. lol. then you again say east serbia lol which again its called vojvodina. lol. how dumb are albanians from 1-10 well its a no contest a big 10 but we do see north epurus going back to greece because it is greek and has a greek majority. then north albania should go back to serbia since it was serbian lands .... oh whats this 35% of albania none albanians lol, maybe you albanians should all move back to albania so it could be 15% none albanians. well in preshovo valley you had 60,000 and now only 40,000 so thats a drop and should move back to albania and in macedonia you say you had 500,000 but in the new census it shows 250,000 what happened you cant vote twice because of western powers so its a real census and in greece you said you had 600,000 but shows 300,000 what happened there ? so thats a total of 590,000 albanians in the area .move back to albania and be happy and oops forgot about kosovo,serbia you used to say there is 50 million albanians in kosovo and now 1.3 million albanians in the province what happened, you cant lie anymore because its the year 2012 not 1880.



http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianMinorities/AlbaniaMultiethnic.html

the mere fact that some of our dear k-albanian friends here are promoting the idea of a division shows that they deep down inside know that they won´t get away with our land.

it is only a question of time, and we will liberate our southern province from the hands of evil.

=)


no partition, my albo-friends, time to wake up...

ps: the best joke was, when one of the k-albanians wrote about a "super greater albania"...

I couldn´t but smile...

Sangjak with Plava and Gucija joins Kosova and Albania, Ulqin and all of Great Malsia included. What about 1 million Albos in Macedonia?.
(Nelli_Canada, 20 September 2012 17:50)

I thought the Albanians bastardization of Sandzak was "Sanxhak". Now it's "Sangjak"? If you're going to make up names for places you think belong to you but have no demographic representation in - all from a location far far away from where you put importance on - can you at least settle on a correct spelling?

Either Busek is being inconsistent or his words are being interpreted at will. I'm thinking the later... The links below from B92 might shed some light.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=02&dd=05&nav_id=78634

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=12&dd=19&nav_id=77871

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=11&dd=12&nav_id=77300

Nevertheless i am curious to know if you are capable of extending your thoughts on why would a territorial swap be the worst.

(Curiosityxhasxlanded, 20 September 2012 13:35)

Thanks for taking time and showing an interest in my comment. The swaping territories especially in the Balcans can be a very dangerous option especially in practice. In theory yes especially when we are talking about a straight swap. There are many factors to take into consideration ie the economical value of that territory how that might effect the well-being of they respective countries/territories in our case Kosovo and Serbia. It will instigate others look for similar "solutions"...In other word becomes like a precedent. If Serbia and Kosovo wants to join the EU then they have to accept EU standards and values, how Yugoslavia was dissolved. When West was warning Serbia, the answer was "Kosovo was an internal affair of Serbia". We all know without prejudice how Kosovo became independent from Serbia. I can gather from the way you address to me that you also know it well. Serbian political leaders especially Milloshevic are to blame for the loss of Kosovo. Current Serbian leadership sees the solutions for Kosovo in Serbian constitution....Now they are talking about a referendum. How bad that can be for a country which is thinking to join EU...So Serbia needs a straight talking/messege. Before joining the EU must recognise officially/formally Kosovo independence. Then if both agree for a swap..why not

You could say that Serb minority living IN ALBANIA should have the same rights as those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
(aaayyy, 20 September 2012 19:36)

Yes, but that would be incorrect. The Serbs and Greeks living in Albania have far less rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.

To those whom do not wish to understand/listen to the truth.

There will no division of Kosovo itself as many Serbs would wish. Swaping could be NOT the best option BUT those whom will ask for it might regret at the end.

To those whom do not know or whom do not wish to know Kosovo territory is populated by overwehelming majority by Albanians and is not and will never be under Serbian sovereignity or territorial integrity again...Serbian constitution means nothing to Kosovo.

A health check is needed for those whom do not want to compare the rights of Albanians living in Presevom Bujanovc and Medvegja to the rights of Serb minority living in northern Kosovo,

Nikolle,
Every other comment of your fellow Albanian posters says that if KSerbs don't integrate into Albanian Kosovo* they will be expelled as Krajina Serbs were. Haven't you noticed such comments?

A health check is needed for those whom do not want to compare the rights of Albanians living in Presevom Bujanovc and Medvegja to the rights of Serb minority living in northern Kosovo,
(EA, 20 September 2012 23:46)

You might want to be the first person to give yourself a medical examination since you always throw in Presevo as an ending to your thoughts on Kosovo without providing any logical or relevant connection beyond what is clearly some emotional attachment to a land populated by Albanians. There are no barricades, "parallel institutions", or threats from extremists in Presevo by Serbs as there are in northern Kosovo by Albanians - or worse by the Albanian government in Pristina. Try providing some actual statistics and facts instead of throwing out "Presevo" as a sound byte and then getting upset when you're not taken seriously :)

ps: the best joke was, when one of the k-albanians wrote about a "super greater albania"...

I couldn´t but smile...
(Jovan, 20 September 2012 19:54)


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Smile? You may claim. The Serbs have been fearing the Albanian unification since its awakening in Prizren.

During the 12th century, and WW1, Serbs had no motive to fear the consequences of expanding on Albanian lands.Oh what an opportunity to prey on weak Albanians with no allies and no government/state.

aaayyy are you still persisting with this nonsense about Serbian-Albanian land? so what the hell is the Moon? Rock land? Kosova is neither Serbian-Albanian, nor is it Albanian-Serbian, it is just land, full stop. it is however, inhabited by 90% Albanians. this is demographic fact. Most likely partition WILL happen, as the current impasse is purely and simply over the North. Those Serb enclaves inside Kosova are not an issue for a simple reason, they are surrounded by Albanians. They have one of three choices, isolate themselves forever, or integrate or leave. Now the first option is not really viable, as one needs education, a job and so on. the north is a different matter as it is adjacent to Serbia. however, let me spell it out for raving mad nationalists like Jovan, there will NEVER again be Serbian police inside Prishtina, Peja, Gjakova, Prizren and pretty much all of Kosova outside Northern Mitrovica. You can invoke your rhetoric till kingdom come, its not going to to happen.

I have come to this conclusion, all the Albanians on this site are definately on some kind of illusionary drug substance, all of a sudden the buggers own everything according to them?? this beggars belief it really does.

They all live in cloud cuckoo land by the sounds of it, at this rate they'll be demanding the USA as theirs aswell. Actually, that wouldn't be a bad thing as then they could all move to America and be the puppy dogs they want to be for their US masters.

I know one thing :Serbia is the country in which live the peoples of all nations, religion, color ... Please correct me if I'm wrong? The so-called Republic of Kosovo, for example cannot be proud of respecting human rights, the return of people to their homes, freedom of movement, etc. .. correct me if I'm wrong ...!?

As long as the drugs travel over the Kosovo ,Serbia will not have that land.USA need that money to finance their own government and for that reason stupid Albanian are still alive (just a little bit according to all that depleted uranium that they get from their so called American “friends”) Hope that you enjoy in gift …

aaayyy are you still persisting with this nonsense about Serbian-Albanian land? so what the hell is the Moon? Rock land? Kosova is neither Serbian-Albanian, nor is it Albanian-Serbian, it is just land, full stop. it is however, inhabited by 90% Albanians. this is demographic fact. Most likely partition WILL happen, as the current impasse is purely and simply over the North. Those Serb enclaves inside Kosova are not an issue for a simple reason, they are surrounded by Albanians. They have one of three choices, isolate themselves forever, or integrate or leave. Now the first option is not really viable, as one needs education, a job and so on. the north is a different matter as it is adjacent to Serbia.
(Nikolle, 21 September 2012 09:25)

See how it irritates you when I say that Kosovo is Serbian-Albanian land (or Albanian-Serbian land). And leave the Moon alone - it's peaceful land without ethnic conflicts.

Actually you see Kosovo as Albanian land where Albanians could live as they pleased while Serbs have to integrate themselves to their community as if they were foreigners there, while it is not. But actually you both are supposed to integrate themselves to share the same land.

See hoe Switzerland functions - German enclaves are in majority but they don't suppress the others.

kosova is serb-albanian land? it isn't, land is land.
(Nikolle, 21 September 2012 12:42)

So what is your point? Which difference does it make whether it is Serb-Albanian land or just land? Which deep scientific conclusion could you derive from your statement?

My point is that KSerbs are not foreigners in Kosovo so they shouldn't be forced to integrate themselves into Albanian community or leave.

OMG this become silly (and very sad at the same time) One country have to give the part of her own land to get membership in EU ,in the same time that country is one of the oldest country in Europe and she give trough the history a big contribution to freedom fighting against many enemies together with all to who word freedom means something.
(B ninety two, 21 September 2012 10:13)

hei there so you think serbia is one of the oldest cauntrys of europe?
irony right?

If Serbia and Kosovo (at this moment still a UN governed Serbian province) agree: why not?

Interestingly topics on Kosovo always receive more comments than any other topic. Why? Is the economy not important, or issues on corruption or education? Kosovo brings out emotions in people that other topics cannot. The economy is bad, so be it. Corruption is rife, which is part of life. But Kosovo is Serbian or Albanian, depending which way you look at it. It is not dissimilar to 2 rival teams at a football match, Partizan against Red Star for instance. It is typical for governments to start a fight with others on territory or religion when things at home are bad. As long as there are conflicts people forget things that really matter. Things like jobs, money, security, prosperity and the future of our children. A conflict also conveniently gives those in power ample chances of diverting tax payers money to their own pockets. Nobody notices because everybody is preoccupied with their enemy. Yesterday the enemy was NATO, today the Albanias, tomorrow it will no doubt be Islam. If Kosovo were divided than that would be it. Problem solved. But that would be too easy and what will our politicians will have to do then? Focus on the mundane things in life such as building a prosperous nation, fighting crime and corruption, improve education? Now that would be real work. Who is up to the task?

Serbia does not need the EU
(Terry, 20 September 2012 23:24)
Maybe you might want to look at some of the other news articles of the day before commenting. Not doing so hot on your own.

Suggestion for all countries that want to change borders on Balkan : Please clean your own backyard and give every nation in your country part of your land and then you can do it in other countries !!!

OMG this become silly (and very sad at the same time) One country have to give the part of her own land to get membership in EU ,in the same time that country is one of the oldest country in Europe and she give trough the history a big contribution to freedom fighting against many enemies together with all to who word freedom means something.

Take something mine and I will take something yours,that should be parole for all.Lets move Serbian people from Kosovo in Germany or France or any other country in EU and ask for part of the land and call it ours.If it’s so easy let’s do it !!

@ EA
Thank for the reply!
I do understand the fear of precedent, if indeed that would be the case and would stimulate conflict be it in the Balkans or elsewhere i would oppose it strongly as that is a prime concern. However that is not the case as studies from the 'International Crisis Group' and 'The German Institute for International and Security Affairs' assert (sorry for not going into details but its quite long).

In the International system only interests play real role while law (what little exists) is used mainly for rhetoric, when fits interests and is interpreted at will (see article on self-determination for example, or what is genocide or ethnic cleansing). To illustrate it, Russia, a fierce opponent of Kosovo's independence recognized Abhkazia and South Osetia while Turkey recognized Kosovo despite the Kurdish problem. If one looks deep, paradoxes seem the rule rather than the exception. If the territorial swap would be a precedent, than many other unilateral recognized secessionist movements (even Kos independence declaration if you will) would have already opened "Pandora's Box". Yet that's not how the International System works.

The swap would be accepted by both (studies citing talks with high officials show) and would resemble the good example of Czechoslovakia split i.e. done in a peaceful manner through negotiations.

I must beforehand apologize for continuing in another message due to the complexity of the situation and little space at hand.

@ EA part 2
Your care for peoples life impacts is most righteous however we have to keep in mind that a swap does not imply North and Presevo as it currently stand, but a border negotiation taking into account the territories viability and population needs, not the least will the locals express themselves in referendum. Needless to say that the one who remain must be granted all rights by both parties.

Such solution has no purpose of rewarding ethnically pure states but rather to make an historical compromise between Serbs an Albanians and to provide for the circumstance for wounds to heal and make peaceful coexistence viable.
Studies show that after Croatia's independence the two peoples now don't have current territorial disputes hence their relations have improved not that they like each-other but that they are not willing to fight. Of course that's not the best example as it was done through the ethnic cleansing of the Serbs.

The swap would hold but a symbolic value allowing Countries and people to move forward. Needles to say that hard line nationalists will always quarrel in sites such as these but as long as there are no ground ones its fine.
Thus when a swap is mentioned is not meant in rigid terms.
As for EU values that's a simple must.

Hope i contributed given the space and the complexity of the issue.

oh i see, you mean you are standing up for the victim. well pardon me for not taking you seriously. you have a record of endorsing ethnic cleansing here, or have you forgotten your other points when you used to write that K. ALbanians missed a glorious chance to relocate en masse to the West in 1999? as for you thinking you're irritating me, you're not, most of you write is so vacuous that it is deserving of ridicule. kosova is serb-albanian land? it isn't, land is land.

If Kosovo is to be partitioned, hopefully the ethnic basis to be used is the one from 1998, not 2000.

The Serbs who have left Kosovo must of course be able to return to their homes or be given land in some part of Serbian Kosovo. Also, the Bosniaks between Prizren and Strpce, as well as the Gorani, would have to be given the right either to join Serbian Kosovo, or join Kosova.

You might want to be the first person to give yourself a medical examination since you always throw in Presevo as an ending to your thoughts on Kosovo without providing any logical or relevant connection beyond what is clearly some emotional attachment to a land populated by Albanians. There are no barricades, "parallel institutions", or threats from extremists in Presevo by Serbs as there are in northern Kosovo by Albanians - or worse by the Albanian government in Pristina. Try providing some actual statistics and facts instead of throwing out "Presevo" as a sound byte and then getting upset when you're not taken seriously :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 21 September 2012 18:40)

There are no barricades by Albanians in North Kosovo either. Try providing some actual statistics and facts instead aboout "North Kosovo" instead of getting upset when you're not taken seriously :)