"Authorities will ask people — Kosovo or EU"

Serbia will "feel the pulse" of "powerful countries", it is ever the same slavery attitude. There is nothing to decide in the moment. Leading Western media are reporting today that after the admission of Croatia to the EU further admissions are not possible for a long while. If Serbia is making steprs against his own interests in Kosovo it will not get anything to become an EU-member. There are soo many things to change in Serbia, it would need years and years. At the end, Serbia will be a failed state without clear borders and divided in several parts of different interests and orientation. Serbia is the best example how a country can destroy themselves only to follow a myth.

I thought voting for Nikolic and co ment that they would stand up for serbs in Kosovo? Now they wan't to put the burden of kosovo serbs on the people. Serbs should know that a recognition of Kosovo would mean the end of serbs in that region. It would mean recognizing ethnic clensing and the murder of over 100.000 serbs. A recognition of Kosovo will not mean a faster ticket to the sinking EU ship. We have Hungary, Croatia and many other EU countries who have their own separate demands on Serbia. After Croatia no more countries will be admitted to the European union. "Kosovo or the EU" is just a trick to fool serbs into giving up its territory to theives and human trafficers. We need to stand up for our rights and stand up agains criminal rag tag terrorists in our southern province and their masters.

Kosovo or EU? Well, Kosovo is already gone, so the question should be EU or nothing.
Dont you serbs get it that Kosovo is already gone? I really feel sorry for you guys because you are still being tricked by your leaders.
When you have a war, you either loose or win, and in this case you serbs lost so therefore when you loose, you loose what you are fighting for and the result is that you lost Kosovo. This is so simple and this is how it was for all the time there were wars. The looser lost what they fought for, and the winner won what they fought for. So simple to understand.

I'll vote 'Kosovo' in your referendum, Mr President, but only on condition that you present me with a concrete action plan for restoring complete sovereignty in the province. I don't wish to be as Georgia to South Ossetia, or Azerbaijan to Nagorno-Karabakh. Telling Serbs that Kosovo is theirs whilst that snake Thaci holds power in Pristina, recognized by several major powers, borders on deception. I, personaly, haven't felt as though Serbia has controlled much of anything in Kosovo, apart from a minority share in the north, since Milosevic withdrew his security forces in June 1999. What will you do, President Nikolic, to convince me that this would ever change in my lifetime (I am only 27)? How will you convince the arrogant West to completely abandon their support of the K-Albs? Do you intend to retake Pristina by force with support from Russia and other Serbian allies? Is Serbia again headed for war? Or is your plan to settle for the North, calling that minority share 'Kosovo'? And at what cost? Would Sebs be forced to trade a comparable slice of their South? Tell us truly, Mr President, because many in Serbia are tiring of this dance around the truth.

B92 English is truly becoming an Albanian site. I have to search for a Serbian comment. Is there an Albanian site where Serbs can go and post comments - Ben, EA, Nikolle, you guys would know? Well, in reference to the story, what is there to say? If there is a referendum, let there be one. It will give a clearer picture of what Serbian citizens actually think and feel. I'm going outside now, it's too beautiful of a day to read this constant "trash the Serbs" about anything and anything by Albanians. Do you people ever look at yourselves? If you think you are superior to someone else, I don't see it for the life of me.

No. of comments on Kosovo story: 55
No. of comments on Serbia budget: 0

Why Serbia bankrupt and farmers hungry?
Answer clear.
Epic 1389 delusion.

true slobo style. seems this gov. is full of gimmicks. i remember a similar sort of referendum was held in 1998, in which serb citizens were asked whether kosovo was an internal problem of serbia or whether it merited international mediation. over 90% said it was an internal problem, yet the referenda itself made serbia look weak, as within a fortnight sloba was talking about kosova with international mediators.

"Serbia destroying itself by following a myth"? dude, what is it you have smoked, I want that too!

first of all, I doubt that you are capable of taking a sober look onto the issue, since you didn´t mention that the only ones who are building their claims on southern serbian territory on myths are the K-albanians.

I mean, have you forgotten this stupid illusion they are not getting tired to bring up here? you know, their dream to be the descendants of the illyrians?

wanna tell us more about myths, dude?


I think there is nothing more to say about it to you.


as for the article:

nice how our dear k-albanian friends are worrying about Serbia´s future, while they are making the first right steps at all.

seems like they DO care, or is it only sorrow for their own greater albanian project to fail?


well if so, my dear k-albanian friends... you have reason to worry. but you have enough time to adjust to what is inevitable, it won´t go that fast.

Even if the people of Serbia vote for the EU and abandon Kosovo this will not end the true dilema that Serbia finds itself in. The EU is dominated by Germany and because of that, Serbia, even after giving up Kosovo, will be faced with new demands and new conditions. The Germans do not want Serbia in thier club-nor do they want Russia to have too many economic ties or benefits, this can be seen in thier blackmail of Ukraine and Gasprom corporation.

In a few years the Serbs will learn the lessons that thier forefathers learned in regards to Germany, NEVER TRUST THEM-ONLY CONFRONT THEM....that is how Serbia survived the Third Reich and that is how they will survive the fourth.

Are you kidding me.. I'm a Serb living in Australia and all I can say is if Serbs do give up Kosovo .. You's are all a bunch of scums.. Kosovo is the heart of Serbia .. Your killing our history because of the stupid eu. What is wrong with yous honestly ..

Kosovo is independent from Serbia like it or NOT that is a FACT. Wake up man to understand! Now the issue is to officially accept it and both nations Albanians and Serbs move on otherwise join the Russian Federation of Vladimir Putin....
(EA, 18 September 2012 11:56)

If Kosovo was really independent of Serbia, we wouldn't have you here everyday speaking in capslock trying to make us understand such a thing. You reek of desperation, insecurity and weakness. If your people cannot maintain the occupational institutions without Western help then you are not independent, not by a long shot.

They will come and go my friend, those Albanians who are progressive thinking and realize their lives will be better once the occupation is lifted are welcomed to stay, I hope they do. The Jihadists, drug dealers, rapists ect. will go back to Taliban-ia.

What do people suggest should happen to 90% of Kosovo's population? They will not evaporate or disappear, nor do they want anything to do with Serbia! The point is fairly mutt. A lot of people are living under a rock still thinking your next door neighbors come from outer space. As an expert in genetics I can guarantee you that there is less difference between Albanians and Serbs than there is between two Englishman. Grow up and join the EU together.

Even if a good percentage would vote for the EU (those who are not brainwashed by myths and fairytales, and all those who are affected by the economy crisis in Serbia and struggle to put food on their table), they would just rig the votes and change the results. Big uncle Putin style: 140% voted for Kosovo...!

I've come to this party a little late, but I'm going to be straight guys...

It doesn't matter whether we vote for Kosovo or the EU, because neither is on offer. Neither can Serbia hope to retain Kosovo as a autonomous province in its current shape, nor can Serbia join the EU in the near future for many reasons.

So for me this is an attempt for the government to try to gain an ally in the public, or an attempt from the government to unshackle itself from its commitments to Kosovo or the EU.

The reality though is that in Serbia we will again be presented with a false choice. We will again be forced to focus on Kosovo and the EU as the importance of other topics are reduced. What about living standards and economic growth? Whats the government's plan to create jobs? Is the government going to tackle corruption and who will it protect? What about serious reform in the public sector? What about pensions? How about investing in health?

People live their lives affected by these issues and there is always an excuse to talk about other issues...

We need to stand up for our rights and stand up agains criminal rag tag terrorists in our southern province and their masters.
(MikeC, 18 September 2012 10:12)

How will you do the above? With nationalistic speeches....ie "Kosovo je Serbia..."? Serbia tried its last resort to ethnically cleanse Kosovo BUT it did not work at least in Europe.

Kosovo is independent from Serbia like it or NOT that is a FACT. Wake up man to understand! Now the issue is to officially accept it and both nations Albanians and Serbs move on otherwise join the Russian Federation of Vladimir Putin....

The question is not "Kosovo or EU" because Kosovo has been LOST a long time ago in 1389 and again in 1999 Kosovo is lost FOREVER.

The real and only question that Serbia needs to consider is "EU or NO EU". However whatever Serbia decides "EU or NO EU" but keep in mind it is still not just up to Serbia.

Ultimately it is up to the EU and it's soon to be 28 member states when and if to allow and also under what conditions to allow Serbia into the EU.

That would one of first good steps from Serbs since a very, very, very long time concerning the Kosovo issue. Asking the people directly and not through polls.

But then the consequence must be clear: If they chose EU, then Kosovo must be recognized instantly. If they chose Kosovo, EU application must be withdrawn instantly. Everything else was, is and will/would be just a joke.

I agree with you, but the thing is we wont go poor defending Kosovo i Metohija. What I'm saying is we wont somehow be missing out on great prosperity by doing so. Greece, Romania and Bulgaria are the most similar countries to Serbia in the EU and they have not seen that prosperity. Greece did at first obviously but that has slowly eroded and Bulgaria and Romania never did.

No thanks. We will fight for our Jerusalem. Diplomatically for now, and eventually by any means.
(Ari Gold, 18 September 2012 15:46)

In 2004 Bulgaria had a GDP (PPP) per capita of $9,223, whereas in 2011 Bulgaria had a GDP (PPP) per capita of $14,603.
In 2004 Romania had a GDP (PPP) per capita of $8,785, whereas in 2011 Romania had a GDP (PPP) per capita of $15,163.
In 2005 Bulgaria had a GDP (nominal) per capita of $3,459, whereas in 2011 Bulgaria had a GDP (nominal) per capita of $7,202.
In 2005 Romania had a GDP (nominal) per capita of $4,539, whereas in 2011 Romania had a GDP (nominal) per capita of $8,863.
I don't need to debate with you about prosperity, I'll let the facts do that for me. The figures speak for themselves. Also Greece and Serbia are very different economically,

And I love it how you refer to Kosovo as "Jerusalem" because Jerusalem is a city of great importance to Christians, Jews and Muslims; not just one set of people. And the same applies to Kosovo, it is of great importance to Albanians and Serbs, not just one set of people. So I agree that Kosovo and Jerusalem are similar.

"the citizens will decide"


a) " policy of defending Kosovo and attempting like Don Kichot to join the EU

b) "hit the wall"

c) Join the brother Russian Federation


...try to "feel the pulse" of their counterparts from powerful countries concerning Serbia's policy toward Kosovo and the EU.

To as "Kosovo or EU" its the same as to ask "Serbia or Nothing" or or...the Norwegian government has announced a strong increase of import-taxes for EU-agricultural products to protect their own agriculture. This is how a independent country is acting. And the Norwegian PM was as little boy in Belgrade and had a Serbian nanny. Possibly she has mor in her brain as the Serbian "elite"

Im sick of all this shadow boxing. We wont let Kosovo go. Get it. Certainly not without our dignity intact. So, rather be poor, than a slave like the rest of them. One vote for no recognition in the books. The EU is a false idol anyway. They have led us around, one concession after another. Personally I am preparing for the next round.

Based on the comments here, it looks like albos are getting a little nervous.

I'm a Serb living in Australia
(Mitch, 18 September 2012 13:06
That is all you need to say. Another "there is no sacrifice too great for YOU to do to make ME proud."
You deserted the homeland for a betterlife but yet when the rest of the paper is talking about how economically hard it is going to be for families to survive in your old homeland all you can think of is if they disappoint YOU they are scum.
Move back to Serbia and support your family on 250 euros a month and then condemn the others.

I support this proposal. Kosovo belongs to Serbia and the Serbian people, and I think they should decide on his future.

Buddy I was born and raised in kim I Had no choice then to come to Australia when I was 5.. Parents are now living in banja luka because nothing is better then home.. .. Many of my family members have died in the war. .. I'm not trying to start an argument with any of my Serb peeps here cause it's ridiculous Serbs fighting with serbs.. I'm just sayin blood was shed for Kosovo. People need to realize that before they get brainwashed..
History is history. Serbia should fight to be in the Ey cause your right about the salary but no one can make you accept the independence of Kosovo.. It's our land we have the last say but if Srbija isn't gonna fight for it then all in gonna say is
Shame
Shame
Shame

Finally...People will have the power !

I thought that was the reason Serbian choosed Nikolic instead of Tadic, so what is the point of asking them again? At least Tadic managed to keep 'em both (as long as he was in power). So what is the game Mr. Nikolic? and why specifically now where there is no official demand for a de facto recognition of Kosovo? All we have heard are voices and demand from some of the EP officials but nothing from the EU Commission? While it is clear to me that in front of such a dilema the Serbs would opt for KS, does this indicate that Nikolic is trying to create a popular based excuse for fully shifting Serbia toward Russia?

I like the idea.

Let's everyone see which is mentality of the serbs.

Mitch,

You're not living in Serbia. "Serbia" isn't just a hobby for people living in Serbia.

You're commenting on a situation that has no consequence for you whatsoever and judging people for doing what they think is best in a situation that DOES have consequences on them.

How about letting Serbs who live in Serbia do what they feel is best and not judge someone "scum" from a viewing distance of 10 000 km.

It's always easy to play someone else's chess game.

Im sick of all this shadow boxing. We wont let Kosovo go. Get it. Certainly not without our dignity intact. So, rather be poor, than a slave like the rest of them. One vote for no recognition in the books. The EU is a false idol anyway. They have led us around, one concession after another. Personally I am preparing for the next round.
(Helsinborg, 18 September 2012 15:25)

I agree with you, but the thing is we wont go poor defending Kosovo i Metohija. What I'm saying is we wont somehow be missing out on great prosperity by doing so. Greece, Romania and Bulgaria are the most similar countries to Serbia in the EU and they have not seen that prosperity. Greece did at first obviously but that has slowly eroded and Bulgaria and Romania never did.

No thanks. We will fight for our Jerusalem. Diplomatically for now, and eventually by any means.

Serbia doesn't have money to hold a referendum.

IMF will not allow any unproductive expenditures :)

The Jihadists, drug dealers, rapists ect. will go back to Taliban-ia.
(Ari Gold, 18 September 2012 13:03)

You are too soft my friend...I would introduce the death penalty for any haeavy criminals DESPITE its nationality. That is the big difference between us because you love ONLY the Serbian drug dealers, the Serbian orthodox fundamentalism and the Serbian rapists...Crime has no nationality.

As a Serb who is passionate about Kosovo I am not worried about this “Asking the people whether they want the EU or Kosovo”. There is a method in what they do.
Serbia’s policy has dramatically changed towards the EU since Nikolic has been elected or should I say since Nikolic was appointed by Moscow. It is a fact that if you ask the ordinary person in Serbia “is there a benefit to joining the EU?” the majority, as high as 85%, would say NO. Even in the dying days of Tadic’s government the polls they undertook was showing them a very negative attitude towards the EU and this was with rigged questions. Naturally the only exception to this polling would be the Albanians and deluded people who think that Brussels has huge plantations of money trees somewhere and they pick Euros by the basket load.
The EU has NOTHING to offer Serbia. It has told Croatia not to expect any agricultural benefits for at least 20 years. Yes there are many aspects of the EU that Serbia needs to adopt to improve itself such as standards, judiciary, media laws etc. but as Dacic has said “we do not need the EU that much if we have to hand over Kosovo”.
As the policy has changed the Nikolic government has to hold a “referendum’ after which they will announce that the people have spoken and make a No EU policy official.

Mitch, it breaks my heart to hear that you were forced to leave Kosovo and travel 10000 miles to find work in Australia. I am sure that as soon as you have enough money saved you will be back here to live and help your Serbian brothers and sisters with their struggle?
Is it long since you left the "heart of Serbia"?

The true question should be: Should Serbia continie to confront the EU and NATO in hoping to extract some benefits from the powers that would like to oppose them (Russia, China etc) or is that price too high for that weary nation. There is no benefit that Serbia could extract from Kosovo unless one hopes to commit a large scale ethnic cleansing. Surely Serbia doesn't need two million Albanians as citizens, nor its economy is in the condition to bail out the bankrupt breakaway province, once the foreign aid drys out. It may be easy to live in Australia and to claim Kosovo for the Serb national patrimonium, but what Serbs living in Serbia should fear most is that the Albanians may change their minds and become more willing to rejoyn Serbia.

How shall I put it. Is anybody here really so deluded to think the referendum would turn out anything except yes to defend the country no to EU? If you have any doubt you don't know Serbs at all. This is just Nikolic threatening our western friends and pardners because everybody with a brain cell knows EXACTLY how we'd vote.

Montenegrin (read Albanian). The Greater Albania project is dead. People just dont buy it, and ceratinly dont want it. And there is no shame in losing a war against NATO. Albanian "fighters" were lambs to the slaughter, believe me, i know, Some al-qaeda/ muja's came to fight us, and we sent them back to western Europe with their tails between their legs. Abu Hamza quote: "we fought the best soldiers in the world and Allah spared us".

The decision is 100% clear: Kosovo!
Would you Kosovo supporters accept that I or someone else steals your house and kicks you out of it?
And then I tell you: yea.. hmm you lost your house to me, it's over for you, it's mine house now, you do not live there!
Would you accept that?


Not me I think 99.99% of the people would not
That's the same for Kosovo.

When are Serbs going to wake up and stop living in a state of denial?!

Seriously though, you continue to live in your little dream world in 'Kosovia*' and keep betting on NATO's friendship and time will tell if you are right.
(Ari Gold, 18 September 2012 15:51)
Got news for you, I don't live in Kosova as you probably do not live in Serbia or you would be using the Serbian site. I livein NATO land as probably you do and I say that the EU/US is not going to allow a mass ethnic cleansing in their own yard. You tried and you were stopped and humiliated with the stripping of all rights to (your) land by the UNSC. The only way NATO is walking out of Kosovo is with a guarantee that Serbia will never cross the border or with Thaci as PM of Serbia.
Of course the last part is a joke but the rest is as serious as death and taxes.
Your ethnic cleansing days are over unless you plan a Jonestown event and serve Kool-Aid.

Personally, I'm in favor of a referendum. And I agree with the Serbian patriots here, it would probably go against the EU. For Serbia, it would immediately mean an end to the unproductive political bickering that does nothing but distract the government from serious work on the problems facing the country. How can a government behave responsibly when it's participating in a never-ending political melodrama? After renouncing the prospect of EU membership, there would be more need to placate visiting European politicians, no more drama over meeting, or not meeting, foreign criteria. How interested Russia would be in a Serbia with no intention of joining the EU I'm not sure, perhaps the ties of Slavic brotherhood are stronger than I suspect and it will be interested in helping Serbia to flourish in any case.

You reek of desperation, insecurity and weakness. If your people cannot maintain the occupational institutions without Western help then you are not independent, not by a long shot.

They will come and go my friend, those Albanians who are progressive thinking and realize their lives will be better once the occupation is lifted are welcomed to stay, I hope they do. The Jihadists, drug dealers, rapists ect. will go back to Taliban-ia.
(Ari Gold, 18 September 2012 13:03)
As you can see there are no truly independent countries anymore as we have become a global market. See Spain's dependence on the rest of the EU but the fact is that none of them including Kosovo are dependent on Serbia.
Your threats of reigniting your cleansing campaign (no matter how empty a threat it is) is exactly the security blanket the Albanians have that NATO/EU/US is going no where and you are powerless to do anything about it.

Mitch , It`s really easy to talk from australia where your salary is 10 times higher than in any country in balkans.
If you love so much kosovo why don`t you go there and live but instead you chose to leave your country and work for australians for money who have recognized kosovo as well , huh?

About the referendum , there would just a problem , if the results turns to be pro kosovo ,I`d have one question just like one guy below , how would Nikolic regain control on kosovo? The eu processes would stop the funds from eu might stop as well and Nikolic won`t have a chance to step on kosovo either. So basically it means loosing something in exchange for nothing.

BOTTOM LINE: the more Russia involves itself in Serbian economy and politics, the LESS likely that Serbs will give up on Kosovo out of desperation for the EU. Referendum is the way to go only to see us slam the door in the face of yet another unfair historic ultimatum like we did in 1914 and 1999.

Your threats of reigniting your cleansing campaign (no matter how empty a threat it is) is exactly the security blanket the Albanians have that NATO/EU/US is going no where and you are powerless to do anything about it.
(a New Day, 18 September 2012 14:25)

Yes you got me. They are staying just to provide a 'security blanket' for the Albanians. How nice of them. LOL you are a clown at a circus my friend. It will be a 'new day' when the occupation is lifted. You are living in a delusional world where you think Western capitals are filled with Albo-philes who just love what awesome people you guys are. Perhaps you sold them Serbian kidneys maybe that is why.

Seriously though, you continue to live in your little dream world in 'Kosovia*' and keep betting on NATO's friendship and time will tell if you are right.

Another question about this referendum:
Do the people of Kosovo(albanians,serbs or others) have to vote in this referendum,or will be like in the amending Constitution case,where they were not even asked?
Because is ironically that some serb from Novi Sad to decide for albanians in Kosovo.

No thanks. We will fight for our Jerusalem. Diplomatically for now, and eventually by any means.
(Ari Gold

You said you were going to visit No Mitro and guard it from the Albanians.
You also said you were going to bring a huge golden cross.

Well friend, some came and went and you were nowhere to be seen in NM.
You are going to fight for your 'Jerusalem' the same way, aren't you?

"Should Brussels - i.e., the European Union (EU) - insist on Serbia's recognition of Kosovo as independent - "the citizens will decide" - Belgrade's Večernje Novosti daily writes on Tuesday, hinting at a possibility of a referendum."

A big well done to the Government on this. They should be applauded. Finally we the people of Serbia will have our say on our future. There is nothing better than a democratic mandate from the voters to strenghten the Government's hand going into what will be tough negotiations to represent our interests. Serbia needs the EU and they need us.

Everyone needs to ask himself: What positive results can come from keeping Kosovo a part of Serbia and what does that mean for me and my family. The same question should be put to asking ourselves the same for being part of the EU. We should decide with our heads and not with our hearts. Whatever the choice will be we, our children and our children's children will have to live with the consequences of this decision. If we are really smart we can have both.

Because the stakes are so high, this sets Serbia up for a trap. We've seen fraud in recent elections so who would guarantee the referendum would be fair? As we know, the West ignores flawed results if the outcome suits them but will cause a revolution if it doesn't (even if the vote was fair).

We know that over 70% of Serbia's citizens do not want to to join the EU if it means losing KiM and this was taken before the EU started having problems and while over 50% of Serbs were in favour of joining (with KiM).

Now that EU support falls under 50%, the EU being economically weaker and voters removed the "no alternative" sell-outs, we should have a higher percentage supporting KiM over the EU.

Simple fact is, I wouldn't trust the EU so I am against such a referendum. Look at Ireland, they kept having referendums until the EU got the answer it wanted. The EU/US is not to be trusted, especially when the stakes are so high. Simple as that.

Nikolic cannot be trusted when it comes to KiM.

This should not be presented as an either or.

1 Serbia will not recognise Kosovo
2 Serbia should not be asked to recognise Kosovo
3 Serbia will apply to join the community of EU peoples
4 The democratic structures of the EU need reform

Careful what you wish for!
As I understand so far a referendum is being suggested to determine the peoples views regarding EU/Kosovo.
I feel that that the Government are already aware of the depth of feeling regarding Kosovo, and I doubt it will bode well with some. The referendum will be used for clarification.
My prediction of a likely outcome will favour EU.
Shocking is'nt it.
Before I am castigated by all and sundry for my opinion, I would have you know that my connection to Serbia is far from tenuous. My wife and her family lost all in Suva reka, and like a substantial amount of KSerbs are reasonably pragmatic regards the future.
Also, a number of Serbians in general are weary of the ongoing problem, 'kosovo fatigue'.
As I said, be careful what you wish for......................

24 Mar 2009 – The row erupted during a security council debate on Kosovo's ... Europe also is divided. Five of ... As US envoy Richard Holbrooke once told Belgrade: "The choice facing you is: Europe or Kosovo? And if you choose Kosovo, you loose both." ..... The Serbs got and will continued to get screwed because they ….
Ricard id dead but his legacy still here with us..

@Jovan

What gives ME the right to judge?? Same thing that gives you the right to judge, I guess. It's a public forum.

I'M the one judgmental when YOU'RE the one calling hypothetical people who might disagree with you "scum".

This is a big problem with Serbs in the diaspora. They think there's some kind of "Serbian unity". When they discover that (gasp), Serbs are people who, like people, sometimes have differing views on differing subjects, they make up stories explaining how they're not really Serbs (traitors, quislings, paid foreign agitators). Basically a re-hashing of the "true scotsman" fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Anyway, it's certainly your privilege to call those who might disagree with you "scum". I happen to believe that the people living in a certain place might know better what they need than those for whom this place is someplace they might visit every couple of years for a couple of weeks.

It is very clear that EU only wants the best part of Serbia to join. EU does not want Moslems to join the Union. Bosnia, Kosovo and Albania or N. Cyprus will never be allowd to join. EU does not want Kosovo with crime and poverty in the EU.
Kosovo will most likely be turned into a camp where unwanted migrant workers, criminals and refugees from third world will be locked up and guarded by NATO.

Amazing how some Albanians here think that by calling some of us nationalists they think they are insulting us or funnier still think they will somehow bully us into silence.
Well, I would rather be a nationalist that whatever you guys are. What would you guys call yourselves then? Coming on a Serbian site day after day, spewing your venom and sarcasm. What would you call that?

Having people decide in a referendum is not a bad idea providing the people are given all the facts, not just the ones which sound good.

unny, Peggy, how you picked up on "nationalist", but "raving mad" didn't seem to make an impact :)

Brilliant move by a guy like Nikolic that doesn't even have a real university diploma.Kosovo or Eu?Ha ha ha. Which one depends on serbian people choice,again?Asking serbian people to decide on two issues that serbia has not control whatsoever .As an Albanian I wish you could have the referendum this sunday.

Heh, smart move from Serbian Government, now they pass the ball to their "respected" citizens! Since when Serbia is so democratic state????
"Since we cannot fight Kosovo back, let's leave it to our citizens".
Obviously Nikolic is playing game Tadic left in middle, but off course he cannot tell ;-(
And, even if they are asked, majority of Serbia would go for EU, if they are smart.

I don't know why some Serbs want to jump the sinking ship known as the EU, there is nothing for Serbs in the EU.

Serbia needs to get over it's inferiority complex towards the EU, look to Switzerland for guidance on how to run a country and fix the country.

"B92 English is truly becoming an Albanian site."

ecoman,

Why are you turning on B92? Is it B92 that you have run out of arguments...

I like writing at B92 because it is a place for everyone whom want to express their views on any issue. We have chosen to comment about Kosovo because we have an interest...That is not hard to understand, I believe.

You are "complaining" that "I have to search for a Serbian comment". Let me help you boy/girl. Look for commentators Zoran, Mike C, Jovan, Canadian Serb....they are "your true voice" here. My apologies to B92 for assisting the little ecoman "on your behalf". I am preatty sure you don't mind)))))


"Is there an Albanian site where Serbs can go and post comments - Ben, EA, Nikolle, you guys would know?"

You can try to google it....))) I would recommend you to stick to B92 though))) Ecoman can be funny...what do you think B92?)))

"Well, in reference to the story, what is there to say? If there is a referendum, let there be one. I'm going outside now..."

ecoman lost the plot...help him our!

A referendum depends from the question and the public opinion in this question. I guess the Serbian "elite" will get the following question from the Western HQ:

Serbs, would you like a real Serbian patriot have a high living standard as a respected member within the EU, and trust you your main parties and their leaders that they will achieve the best result in the negotiations with the Kosovo for the sake of the children and grandchildren their - or are you against this wonderful future for you, your family and your nation: Are you FOR or AGAINST Serbia? 35% of the voters are taking part in the referendum and 98,9% are FOR Serbia
Outcome: two weeks later 90% of the Serbs in Kosovo are leaving their homeland, Serbia gets another loan to feed tem

Part II - The EU might also appreciate the clarity a referendum would provide. Having Serbia opt out of the accession process would remove one of the many problems facing the EU, as well as free up a certain amount of funding - this hasn't started to reach serious levels yet, but once talks start I understand the cash flow is expected to increase.

Individual European companies would still be able to invest in Serbia, although without the prospect of Serbia joining the EU at some point they would have to weigh the financial disadvantages of doing so.

What voting "for Kosovo" might mean I have no idea, but then, I'm pretty sure this goes for those suggesting the referendum as well.

Tadic bet that his efforts to smuggle an unwilling Serbia into the EU he would convince its people before the final signing that they actually had so much to gain that they would be able to be flexible on Kosovo. The worldwide financial crisis put an end to that plan, and it's time to recalibrate.

is that the best you can do ecoman? would you rather only share views with other raving mad nationalists like sj, Ari Gold, Zoran, Peggy?

I witness on a daily basis genocidal pseudo-Illyrian nazis, who are also kidney-snatchers, jihadists and the most famous maffiosos (even Luc Besson admits that)somewhy raving on Serbian website? Too few KiM legitimate owners left in the province to kill?

@Danilo:

it just seems as if you didn´t understand the essence of my previous comment..

perhaps you should go and preach in down-town Pristina... seems like you are one of those who believe themselves to be progressive and straightforward...

you have certainly not more justification to "judge" here than others here, especially if they live outside of serbian borders, like the guy you were adressing.

and when I agree with him on the mentioning of "scum", it is certainly not a privilege to deal with these lost souls. you may think you´re right, but if the majority of Serbs had been like you, there wouldn´t be any Serbs left after the ottoman occupation and two world wars.

you are a minority amongst the Serbs. and that is good that way.

lan, UK

The figures you gave us are impressive, all though some countries an Africa have higher per capita. Now explain to us how increase in per capita made life better for people in these countries? When prices on goods and every day price on living went up with increase in per capita. Just because you make more money doesn’t mean that your standard of living is better.


P.S. My vote=Kosovo

is that the best you can do ecoman? would you rather only share views with other raving mad nationalists like sj, Ari Gold, Zoran, Peggy? well, you'll all be in agreement all the time, where exactly is the fun in that? if you want to, you can post on RTKlive, kosova2.0 and other mediums. its so much better when you have people challenging your views isn't it?

first of all a short line for "nikole", who wrote: "its so much better when you have people challenging your views isn't it?"

dude, IF ONLY your comments would be challenging at least a tiny little bit, but, honestly, you Albanians who are repeatedly posting here on this site, your "arguments" are so incredibly weak, so pathetic that it hurts sometimes!

if one proves you wrong, and I have watched that here almost a dozen times now, you just stay silent! being asked about some REAL and SERIOUS sources in regard to your alleged illyrian descent, you come up with sore losers like Noel Malcolm and other paid writers who are being financed by the american-albanian lobby, or you dare to post some link to a encyclopedia britannica archive showing a EB-article from over a hundred years ago in which some german "scientist" claims that you are the illyrians... I mean, one has to search for it with a microscope to find that bullshit, but you spent a lot of time on doing it, it seems.

but then again, all you can is bloking. nothing, really nothing of your likes could be challenging the serbian view in regard to KiM, which is of course nothing else than southern Serbia.

please keep that in mind when you dare to claim that you are "challenging" anything here...

@Danilo:

who gives you the right to judge upon others here, because one of the Serbs here is writing from Australia? it is his business too.
and I chose KiM over EU, too, by the way - and I share his opinion about "scum".

do you know what a good point is according to you jovan? to write stuff like Albanians are criminals, NATO is NAZI, Srebrencia is a myth and other such nonsense. have fun at the referenda, mkae sure it carries more water than the one in 1998 :-)

Kosova is gone. You want to talk about the serbian constitution fine; slobodan changed it without asking the Albanian's now you want a referendum again not asking the Albanians. Well those days are over. Kosovo is not caring what you thing, and neither does the EU, 22 out of 27 EU states like and support Kosova. Any of the 22 states can and will block the serb war criminals from entering the EU. You can vote tomorrow or today...don't care.

"Only the citizens could decide on a dilemma like this, that would make decision on the defense of the Constitution and territorial integrity, and the state's strategic direction on the other hand,"
YES, a referendum would be a great idea !!!

You know, Peggy, "I know you are but what am I" isn't typically considered a good retort after about grade 3.

Did this "idea?"come from tadic or his buddy {SCUM}tachi?You reap what you sow!Be very careful.The clock is ticking.{the albainians,germans and croats "ALL former and present NAZIS"are laughing at you!}WAKE UP!

Is it long since you left the "heart of Serbia"?
(Zoran, 18 September 2012 15:00)
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Two Zorans posting on B92....

unny, Peggy, how you picked up on "nationalist", but "raving mad" didn't seem to make an impact :)
(Danilo, 19 September 2012 00:06)
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Don't talk about yourself that way. We don't need you to actually admit it.

What about the people who live in Kosovo? They should be asked, and not the people in Serbia, and the results would be clear. This is just the continuation of thre same old game Serbs are playing, and it shows their sick understanding of the entire situation. They want to dominate, want to be the rulers, even if the people affected by it do not want them at all. People in Kosovo made the most nightmarish experiences with them not too long ago, were subjected to ethnic cleansing, brutal murders, torture, you name it, and nobody wants them back again. Face it, you are not welcome in Kosova, nobody wants to be under your rule again, but still you insists on the same old crap. There is a major lack of democratic understanding when a country like Serbia tries to impose its will on other people, but as we saw in the past, it was and is official Serb politics. Serbia is not a democratic country if it follows such blind nationalist and dangerous ideas.

"Authorities will ask people — Kosovo or EU"

That's great... If Kosovo were to vote (in theory they should be included in the voters' list since Kosovo is Serbia), they would vote 99% "Kosovo" to make sure that Serbia does not join the EU. It does not have Kosovo anyway :)

And I love it how you refer to Kosovo as "Jerusalem" because Jerusalem is a city of great importance to Christians, Jews and Muslims; not just one set of people. And the same applies to Kosovo, it is of great importance to Albanians and Serbs, not just one set of people. So I agree that Kosovo and Jerusalem are similar.
(Ian, UK, 18 September 2012 20:26)

Tell it to Americans, EU and Albanians, because all of them tend to believe Kosovo is Albanian land only.
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Kosovo or EU is just simplification, actually the question could be like that: Do you agree to dismantle Serbian institutions in NKosovo and face Serb exodus from there to Serbia in the sake of increasing a little bit probability of being admitted to EU sometime in the future.

totally agree. Serbia now does exactly what the EU tells Nikolic to do (see for example the Kosovo's nameplate affair). Even that traitor of Tadic did put some more resistance...
(icj1, 19 September 2012 04:08)
How many have you had before posting this one?

"Innocence of Mohhamad" this is you exKfor isn't it? what happened, why did you change your alias?

i tell you what aaayyy, we want symbolic presence in Presheva, Serbia don't accept even that. seriously dude, give it a rest, you honestly have no idea what you're writing about.

Not taking into account any futile nationalistic rhetoric be that Serbian or Albanian or anyone for that matter, i think that such a move by Serbia is a good card to play to counteract pressure. However if indeed it came to life and the Serbs (i don't think Kosovo's citizens will take part in the vote, implying legal controversies imposed by the factual situation) choose to vote for the long lost Kosovo rather than the EU the repercussions would be bad for everybody. A possible frozen conflict would make matters worse for the Serbs, Kosovo Albanians and the region in whole, namely Bosnia and Macedonia.

Such a policy, most certainly not viable, would backfire and in 20 years time in order to escape the deadlock the international community could even accept a join between Kosovo and Albania solving the issue defacto partially . Estimating that the other WB countries in ten years time would have probably joined EU leaving outside probably Serbia, Kosovo and possibly even Bosnia.

The scenario of a possible frozen conflict mounts to a 'negative sum game' as opposed to a possible agreement between the two countries which would turn it to a 'positive sum game' and dismissing the current status quo and parties agenda pushing for a 'zero sum game' i.e. the benefits of one are the loss of the other.

tell you what aaayyy, we want symbolic presence in Presheva, Serbia don't accept even that.
(Nikolle, 19 September 2012 11:25)

Again that statement of yours implies that Serbia and Kosovo* have the same status, while they don't.

If B92 will allow one more post:

obviously (I think) it should have been - "there would be NO more need to placate visiting European politicians,..." which seems to be a source of continuing irritation to a good number of posters and probably non-posting Serbs as well.

(Mitch, 18 September 2012 13:06
You had to move to Australia as a child with no choice, but since your parents have moved to Bosnia, I am sure you must be an adult with the ability to make choices.
That choice is to live in Australia and not your ever so precious homeland that means more than life itself. Yeah right.
Again I say you are just like the rest of the Serbs that have left for a better life. Instead of wanting the best for those at home, you think no sacrifice they make for YOUR Serbian pride can be too great.
I repeat your comment.
Shame
Shame
Shame
If you were actually truly concerned with Serbia, you would be wanting the people to make the best choice for themselves not for you.
The reality is Serbia will never have Kosovo as Serbia again, you have 95% of the population that are not Serbian so even if there was a chance for it to be part of Serbia it would be name only. There is nothing Serbia can offer that would entice the population of Kosovo to change their mind and with support of almost half the world and the part that matters (including Australia) I do not ever see it happening. I reiterate the things Kosovo lacks UN membership, etc, it cannot get from rejoining Serbia, and lets face it Serbia is not even close to a point it could offer economic assistance. So short of military intervention (which you know will not happen) how do you propose that a vote to keep Kosovo is going to mean anything?

Willi Pfaff,

Serbia suggests only symbolic presence in Kosovo outside Serbian enclaves. Albanians refuse even that while they try to impose their rule over KSerbs, who absolutely don't accept it. Also why RS is ruled by Bosnia if Bosnian serbs don't want it? Is it democratic?

I just want to say to Jovan becasue the ecoman (is gone with the wind) just to watch this

Link
The Fox and the Grapes - Aesop's fables - YouTube

This girl isn't even Serb.. See how you feel now
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=rUcE0Hqcce8

"Again that statement of yours implies that Serbia and Kosovo* have the same status, while they don't."

it matters not, the priniciple is the same. Albanian minority in Serbia, Serbian minority in Kosova. what you're essentialy suggesting is this, Serbia is more powerful, so suck it up. well, 2 can tango to that tune. Kosova is independent, so suck it up

That you know that we are for it to call a referendum or the EU or Kosovo.

They've already had referendums before have they not with the majority choosing territorial integrity over the EU?

Serbia’s policy has dramatically changed towards the EU since Nikolic has been elected or should I say since Nikolic was appointed by Moscow.
(sj, 18 September 2012 14:33)

I totally agree. Serbia now does exactly what the EU tells Nikolic to do (see for example the Kosovo's nameplate affair). Even that traitor of Tadic did put some more resistance...

totally agree. Serbia now does exactly what the EU tells Nikolic to do (see for example the Kosovo's nameplate affair). Even that traitor of Tadic did put some more resistance...
(icj1, 19 September 2012 04:08)
How many have you had before posting this one?
(sj, 19 September 2012 10:57)

As many as you because I'm agreeing with you :)

You know, Peggy, "I know you are but what am I" isn't typically considered a good retort after about grade 3.
(Danilo, 19 September 2012 11:52)
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If that is the case, why did you first mention it?

Serbia suggests only symbolic presence in Kosovo outside Serbian enclaves. Albanians refuse even that while they try to impose their rule over KSerbs, who absolutely don't accept it.
(aaayyy, 19 September 2012 10:45)

Ah, OK... so only symbolic. I think we have a solution that symbolically will satisfy Serbs and nobody else would be against. The solution is that Serbia is free to say day and night that "Kosovo is Serbia" and nobody will object. Is there a better symbology than that ?

Again that statement of yours implies that Serbia and Kosovo* have the same status, while they don't.
(aaayyy, 19 September 2012 14:24)

That's absolutely correct. Kosovo's status as defined in Kosovo's UDI is in accordance with international law, as ICJ said. Whereas Serbia's status as defined in Serbia's UDI is still in doubt as it was never declared in accordance with international law by any international court competent on the matter.

"the citizens will decide"


a) " policy of defending Kosovo and attempting like Don Kichot to join the EU

b) "hit the wall"

c) Join the brother Russian Federation


...try to "feel the pulse" of their counterparts from powerful countries concerning Serbia's policy toward Kosovo and the EU.

I thought voting for Nikolic and co ment that they would stand up for serbs in Kosovo? Now they wan't to put the burden of kosovo serbs on the people. Serbs should know that a recognition of Kosovo would mean the end of serbs in that region. It would mean recognizing ethnic clensing and the murder of over 100.000 serbs. A recognition of Kosovo will not mean a faster ticket to the sinking EU ship. We have Hungary, Croatia and many other EU countries who have their own separate demands on Serbia. After Croatia no more countries will be admitted to the European union. "Kosovo or the EU" is just a trick to fool serbs into giving up its territory to theives and human trafficers. We need to stand up for our rights and stand up agains criminal rag tag terrorists in our southern province and their masters.

"Serbia destroying itself by following a myth"? dude, what is it you have smoked, I want that too!

first of all, I doubt that you are capable of taking a sober look onto the issue, since you didn´t mention that the only ones who are building their claims on southern serbian territory on myths are the K-albanians.

I mean, have you forgotten this stupid illusion they are not getting tired to bring up here? you know, their dream to be the descendants of the illyrians?

wanna tell us more about myths, dude?


I think there is nothing more to say about it to you.


as for the article:

nice how our dear k-albanian friends are worrying about Serbia´s future, while they are making the first right steps at all.

seems like they DO care, or is it only sorrow for their own greater albanian project to fail?


well if so, my dear k-albanian friends... you have reason to worry. but you have enough time to adjust to what is inevitable, it won´t go that fast.

We need to stand up for our rights and stand up agains criminal rag tag terrorists in our southern province and their masters.
(MikeC, 18 September 2012 10:12)

How will you do the above? With nationalistic speeches....ie "Kosovo je Serbia..."? Serbia tried its last resort to ethnically cleanse Kosovo BUT it did not work at least in Europe.

Kosovo is independent from Serbia like it or NOT that is a FACT. Wake up man to understand! Now the issue is to officially accept it and both nations Albanians and Serbs move on otherwise join the Russian Federation of Vladimir Putin....

true slobo style. seems this gov. is full of gimmicks. i remember a similar sort of referendum was held in 1998, in which serb citizens were asked whether kosovo was an internal problem of serbia or whether it merited international mediation. over 90% said it was an internal problem, yet the referenda itself made serbia look weak, as within a fortnight sloba was talking about kosova with international mediators.

Are you kidding me.. I'm a Serb living in Australia and all I can say is if Serbs do give up Kosovo .. You's are all a bunch of scums.. Kosovo is the heart of Serbia .. Your killing our history because of the stupid eu. What is wrong with yous honestly ..

Serbia will "feel the pulse" of "powerful countries", it is ever the same slavery attitude. There is nothing to decide in the moment. Leading Western media are reporting today that after the admission of Croatia to the EU further admissions are not possible for a long while. If Serbia is making steprs against his own interests in Kosovo it will not get anything to become an EU-member. There are soo many things to change in Serbia, it would need years and years. At the end, Serbia will be a failed state without clear borders and divided in several parts of different interests and orientation. Serbia is the best example how a country can destroy themselves only to follow a myth.

Even if a good percentage would vote for the EU (those who are not brainwashed by myths and fairytales, and all those who are affected by the economy crisis in Serbia and struggle to put food on their table), they would just rig the votes and change the results. Big uncle Putin style: 140% voted for Kosovo...!

B92 English is truly becoming an Albanian site. I have to search for a Serbian comment. Is there an Albanian site where Serbs can go and post comments - Ben, EA, Nikolle, you guys would know? Well, in reference to the story, what is there to say? If there is a referendum, let there be one. It will give a clearer picture of what Serbian citizens actually think and feel. I'm going outside now, it's too beautiful of a day to read this constant "trash the Serbs" about anything and anything by Albanians. Do you people ever look at yourselves? If you think you are superior to someone else, I don't see it for the life of me.

Kosovo is independent from Serbia like it or NOT that is a FACT. Wake up man to understand! Now the issue is to officially accept it and both nations Albanians and Serbs move on otherwise join the Russian Federation of Vladimir Putin....
(EA, 18 September 2012 11:56)

If Kosovo was really independent of Serbia, we wouldn't have you here everyday speaking in capslock trying to make us understand such a thing. You reek of desperation, insecurity and weakness. If your people cannot maintain the occupational institutions without Western help then you are not independent, not by a long shot.

They will come and go my friend, those Albanians who are progressive thinking and realize their lives will be better once the occupation is lifted are welcomed to stay, I hope they do. The Jihadists, drug dealers, rapists ect. will go back to Taliban-ia.

Kosovo or EU? Well, Kosovo is already gone, so the question should be EU or nothing.
Dont you serbs get it that Kosovo is already gone? I really feel sorry for you guys because you are still being tricked by your leaders.
When you have a war, you either loose or win, and in this case you serbs lost so therefore when you loose, you loose what you are fighting for and the result is that you lost Kosovo. This is so simple and this is how it was for all the time there were wars. The looser lost what they fought for, and the winner won what they fought for. So simple to understand.

Based on the comments here, it looks like albos are getting a little nervous.

This should not be presented as an either or.

1 Serbia will not recognise Kosovo
2 Serbia should not be asked to recognise Kosovo
3 Serbia will apply to join the community of EU peoples
4 The democratic structures of the EU need reform

Your threats of reigniting your cleansing campaign (no matter how empty a threat it is) is exactly the security blanket the Albanians have that NATO/EU/US is going no where and you are powerless to do anything about it.
(a New Day, 18 September 2012 14:25)

Yes you got me. They are staying just to provide a 'security blanket' for the Albanians. How nice of them. LOL you are a clown at a circus my friend. It will be a 'new day' when the occupation is lifted. You are living in a delusional world where you think Western capitals are filled with Albo-philes who just love what awesome people you guys are. Perhaps you sold them Serbian kidneys maybe that is why.

Seriously though, you continue to live in your little dream world in 'Kosovia*' and keep betting on NATO's friendship and time will tell if you are right.

is that the best you can do ecoman? would you rather only share views with other raving mad nationalists like sj, Ari Gold, Zoran, Peggy? well, you'll all be in agreement all the time, where exactly is the fun in that? if you want to, you can post on RTKlive, kosova2.0 and other mediums. its so much better when you have people challenging your views isn't it?

When are Serbs going to wake up and stop living in a state of denial?!

Im sick of all this shadow boxing. We wont let Kosovo go. Get it. Certainly not without our dignity intact. So, rather be poor, than a slave like the rest of them. One vote for no recognition in the books. The EU is a false idol anyway. They have led us around, one concession after another. Personally I am preparing for the next round.
(Helsinborg, 18 September 2012 15:25)

I agree with you, but the thing is we wont go poor defending Kosovo i Metohija. What I'm saying is we wont somehow be missing out on great prosperity by doing so. Greece, Romania and Bulgaria are the most similar countries to Serbia in the EU and they have not seen that prosperity. Greece did at first obviously but that has slowly eroded and Bulgaria and Romania never did.

No thanks. We will fight for our Jerusalem. Diplomatically for now, and eventually by any means.

It is very clear that EU only wants the best part of Serbia to join. EU does not want Moslems to join the Union. Bosnia, Kosovo and Albania or N. Cyprus will never be allowd to join. EU does not want Kosovo with crime and poverty in the EU.
Kosovo will most likely be turned into a camp where unwanted migrant workers, criminals and refugees from third world will be locked up and guarded by NATO.

"Should Brussels - i.e., the European Union (EU) - insist on Serbia's recognition of Kosovo as independent - "the citizens will decide" - Belgrade's Večernje Novosti daily writes on Tuesday, hinting at a possibility of a referendum."

A big well done to the Government on this. They should be applauded. Finally we the people of Serbia will have our say on our future. There is nothing better than a democratic mandate from the voters to strenghten the Government's hand going into what will be tough negotiations to represent our interests. Serbia needs the EU and they need us.

Im sick of all this shadow boxing. We wont let Kosovo go. Get it. Certainly not without our dignity intact. So, rather be poor, than a slave like the rest of them. One vote for no recognition in the books. The EU is a false idol anyway. They have led us around, one concession after another. Personally I am preparing for the next round.

What do people suggest should happen to 90% of Kosovo's population? They will not evaporate or disappear, nor do they want anything to do with Serbia! The point is fairly mutt. A lot of people are living under a rock still thinking your next door neighbors come from outer space. As an expert in genetics I can guarantee you that there is less difference between Albanians and Serbs than there is between two Englishman. Grow up and join the EU together.

The question is not "Kosovo or EU" because Kosovo has been LOST a long time ago in 1389 and again in 1999 Kosovo is lost FOREVER.

The real and only question that Serbia needs to consider is "EU or NO EU". However whatever Serbia decides "EU or NO EU" but keep in mind it is still not just up to Serbia.

Ultimately it is up to the EU and it's soon to be 28 member states when and if to allow and also under what conditions to allow Serbia into the EU.

Even if the people of Serbia vote for the EU and abandon Kosovo this will not end the true dilema that Serbia finds itself in. The EU is dominated by Germany and because of that, Serbia, even after giving up Kosovo, will be faced with new demands and new conditions. The Germans do not want Serbia in thier club-nor do they want Russia to have too many economic ties or benefits, this can be seen in thier blackmail of Ukraine and Gasprom corporation.

In a few years the Serbs will learn the lessons that thier forefathers learned in regards to Germany, NEVER TRUST THEM-ONLY CONFRONT THEM....that is how Serbia survived the Third Reich and that is how they will survive the fourth.

is that the best you can do ecoman? would you rather only share views with other raving mad nationalists like sj, Ari Gold, Zoran, Peggy?

I witness on a daily basis genocidal pseudo-Illyrian nazis, who are also kidney-snatchers, jihadists and the most famous maffiosos (even Luc Besson admits that)somewhy raving on Serbian website? Too few KiM legitimate owners left in the province to kill?

I like the idea.

Let's everyone see which is mentality of the serbs.

I support this proposal. Kosovo belongs to Serbia and the Serbian people, and I think they should decide on his future.

No. of comments on Kosovo story: 55
No. of comments on Serbia budget: 0

Why Serbia bankrupt and farmers hungry?
Answer clear.
Epic 1389 delusion.

The Jihadists, drug dealers, rapists ect. will go back to Taliban-ia.
(Ari Gold, 18 September 2012 13:03)

You are too soft my friend...I would introduce the death penalty for any haeavy criminals DESPITE its nationality. That is the big difference between us because you love ONLY the Serbian drug dealers, the Serbian orthodox fundamentalism and the Serbian rapists...Crime has no nationality.

Mitch, it breaks my heart to hear that you were forced to leave Kosovo and travel 10000 miles to find work in Australia. I am sure that as soon as you have enough money saved you will be back here to live and help your Serbian brothers and sisters with their struggle?
Is it long since you left the "heart of Serbia"?

Because the stakes are so high, this sets Serbia up for a trap. We've seen fraud in recent elections so who would guarantee the referendum would be fair? As we know, the West ignores flawed results if the outcome suits them but will cause a revolution if it doesn't (even if the vote was fair).

We know that over 70% of Serbia's citizens do not want to to join the EU if it means losing KiM and this was taken before the EU started having problems and while over 50% of Serbs were in favour of joining (with KiM).

Now that EU support falls under 50%, the EU being economically weaker and voters removed the "no alternative" sell-outs, we should have a higher percentage supporting KiM over the EU.

Simple fact is, I wouldn't trust the EU so I am against such a referendum. Look at Ireland, they kept having referendums until the EU got the answer it wanted. The EU/US is not to be trusted, especially when the stakes are so high. Simple as that.

Nikolic cannot be trusted when it comes to KiM.

BOTTOM LINE: the more Russia involves itself in Serbian economy and politics, the LESS likely that Serbs will give up on Kosovo out of desperation for the EU. Referendum is the way to go only to see us slam the door in the face of yet another unfair historic ultimatum like we did in 1914 and 1999.

Montenegrin (read Albanian). The Greater Albania project is dead. People just dont buy it, and ceratinly dont want it. And there is no shame in losing a war against NATO. Albanian "fighters" were lambs to the slaughter, believe me, i know, Some al-qaeda/ muja's came to fight us, and we sent them back to western Europe with their tails between their legs. Abu Hamza quote: "we fought the best soldiers in the world and Allah spared us".

Seriously though, you continue to live in your little dream world in 'Kosovia*' and keep betting on NATO's friendship and time will tell if you are right.
(Ari Gold, 18 September 2012 15:51)
Got news for you, I don't live in Kosova as you probably do not live in Serbia or you would be using the Serbian site. I livein NATO land as probably you do and I say that the EU/US is not going to allow a mass ethnic cleansing in their own yard. You tried and you were stopped and humiliated with the stripping of all rights to (your) land by the UNSC. The only way NATO is walking out of Kosovo is with a guarantee that Serbia will never cross the border or with Thaci as PM of Serbia.
Of course the last part is a joke but the rest is as serious as death and taxes.
Your ethnic cleansing days are over unless you plan a Jonestown event and serve Kool-Aid.

Finally...People will have the power !

Heh, smart move from Serbian Government, now they pass the ball to their "respected" citizens! Since when Serbia is so democratic state????
"Since we cannot fight Kosovo back, let's leave it to our citizens".
Obviously Nikolic is playing game Tadic left in middle, but off course he cannot tell ;-(
And, even if they are asked, majority of Serbia would go for EU, if they are smart.

Serbia doesn't have money to hold a referendum.

IMF will not allow any unproductive expenditures :)

As a Serb who is passionate about Kosovo I am not worried about this “Asking the people whether they want the EU or Kosovo”. There is a method in what they do.
Serbia’s policy has dramatically changed towards the EU since Nikolic has been elected or should I say since Nikolic was appointed by Moscow. It is a fact that if you ask the ordinary person in Serbia “is there a benefit to joining the EU?” the majority, as high as 85%, would say NO. Even in the dying days of Tadic’s government the polls they undertook was showing them a very negative attitude towards the EU and this was with rigged questions. Naturally the only exception to this polling would be the Albanians and deluded people who think that Brussels has huge plantations of money trees somewhere and they pick Euros by the basket load.
The EU has NOTHING to offer Serbia. It has told Croatia not to expect any agricultural benefits for at least 20 years. Yes there are many aspects of the EU that Serbia needs to adopt to improve itself such as standards, judiciary, media laws etc. but as Dacic has said “we do not need the EU that much if we have to hand over Kosovo”.
As the policy has changed the Nikolic government has to hold a “referendum’ after which they will announce that the people have spoken and make a No EU policy official.

Another question about this referendum:
Do the people of Kosovo(albanians,serbs or others) have to vote in this referendum,or will be like in the amending Constitution case,where they were not even asked?
Because is ironically that some serb from Novi Sad to decide for albanians in Kosovo.

Amazing how some Albanians here think that by calling some of us nationalists they think they are insulting us or funnier still think they will somehow bully us into silence.
Well, I would rather be a nationalist that whatever you guys are. What would you guys call yourselves then? Coming on a Serbian site day after day, spewing your venom and sarcasm. What would you call that?

Having people decide in a referendum is not a bad idea providing the people are given all the facts, not just the ones which sound good.

@Jovan

What gives ME the right to judge?? Same thing that gives you the right to judge, I guess. It's a public forum.

I'M the one judgmental when YOU'RE the one calling hypothetical people who might disagree with you "scum".

This is a big problem with Serbs in the diaspora. They think there's some kind of "Serbian unity". When they discover that (gasp), Serbs are people who, like people, sometimes have differing views on differing subjects, they make up stories explaining how they're not really Serbs (traitors, quislings, paid foreign agitators). Basically a re-hashing of the "true scotsman" fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Anyway, it's certainly your privilege to call those who might disagree with you "scum". I happen to believe that the people living in a certain place might know better what they need than those for whom this place is someplace they might visit every couple of years for a couple of weeks.

do you know what a good point is according to you jovan? to write stuff like Albanians are criminals, NATO is NAZI, Srebrencia is a myth and other such nonsense. have fun at the referenda, mkae sure it carries more water than the one in 1998 :-)

To as "Kosovo or EU" its the same as to ask "Serbia or Nothing" or or...the Norwegian government has announced a strong increase of import-taxes for EU-agricultural products to protect their own agriculture. This is how a independent country is acting. And the Norwegian PM was as little boy in Belgrade and had a Serbian nanny. Possibly she has mor in her brain as the Serbian "elite"

Did this "idea?"come from tadic or his buddy {SCUM}tachi?You reap what you sow!Be very careful.The clock is ticking.{the albainians,germans and croats "ALL former and present NAZIS"are laughing at you!}WAKE UP!

Everyone needs to ask himself: What positive results can come from keeping Kosovo a part of Serbia and what does that mean for me and my family. The same question should be put to asking ourselves the same for being part of the EU. We should decide with our heads and not with our hearts. Whatever the choice will be we, our children and our children's children will have to live with the consequences of this decision. If we are really smart we can have both.

The true question should be: Should Serbia continie to confront the EU and NATO in hoping to extract some benefits from the powers that would like to oppose them (Russia, China etc) or is that price too high for that weary nation. There is no benefit that Serbia could extract from Kosovo unless one hopes to commit a large scale ethnic cleansing. Surely Serbia doesn't need two million Albanians as citizens, nor its economy is in the condition to bail out the bankrupt breakaway province, once the foreign aid drys out. It may be easy to live in Australia and to claim Kosovo for the Serb national patrimonium, but what Serbs living in Serbia should fear most is that the Albanians may change their minds and become more willing to rejoyn Serbia.

Buddy I was born and raised in kim I Had no choice then to come to Australia when I was 5.. Parents are now living in banja luka because nothing is better then home.. .. Many of my family members have died in the war. .. I'm not trying to start an argument with any of my Serb peeps here cause it's ridiculous Serbs fighting with serbs.. I'm just sayin blood was shed for Kosovo. People need to realize that before they get brainwashed..
History is history. Serbia should fight to be in the Ey cause your right about the salary but no one can make you accept the independence of Kosovo.. It's our land we have the last say but if Srbija isn't gonna fight for it then all in gonna say is
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24 Mar 2009 – The row erupted during a security council debate on Kosovo's ... Europe also is divided. Five of ... As US envoy Richard Holbrooke once told Belgrade: "The choice facing you is: Europe or Kosovo? And if you choose Kosovo, you loose both." ..... The Serbs got and will continued to get screwed because they ….
Ricard id dead but his legacy still here with us..

@Danilo:

it just seems as if you didn´t understand the essence of my previous comment..

perhaps you should go and preach in down-town Pristina... seems like you are one of those who believe themselves to be progressive and straightforward...

you have certainly not more justification to "judge" here than others here, especially if they live outside of serbian borders, like the guy you were adressing.

and when I agree with him on the mentioning of "scum", it is certainly not a privilege to deal with these lost souls. you may think you´re right, but if the majority of Serbs had been like you, there wouldn´t be any Serbs left after the ottoman occupation and two world wars.

you are a minority amongst the Serbs. and that is good that way.

I thought that was the reason Serbian choosed Nikolic instead of Tadic, so what is the point of asking them again? At least Tadic managed to keep 'em both (as long as he was in power). So what is the game Mr. Nikolic? and why specifically now where there is no official demand for a de facto recognition of Kosovo? All we have heard are voices and demand from some of the EP officials but nothing from the EU Commission? While it is clear to me that in front of such a dilema the Serbs would opt for KS, does this indicate that Nikolic is trying to create a popular based excuse for fully shifting Serbia toward Russia?

I don't know why some Serbs want to jump the sinking ship known as the EU, there is nothing for Serbs in the EU.

Serbia needs to get over it's inferiority complex towards the EU, look to Switzerland for guidance on how to run a country and fix the country.

"B92 English is truly becoming an Albanian site."

ecoman,

Why are you turning on B92? Is it B92 that you have run out of arguments...

I like writing at B92 because it is a place for everyone whom want to express their views on any issue. We have chosen to comment about Kosovo because we have an interest...That is not hard to understand, I believe.

You are "complaining" that "I have to search for a Serbian comment". Let me help you boy/girl. Look for commentators Zoran, Mike C, Jovan, Canadian Serb....they are "your true voice" here. My apologies to B92 for assisting the little ecoman "on your behalf". I am preatty sure you don't mind)))))


"Is there an Albanian site where Serbs can go and post comments - Ben, EA, Nikolle, you guys would know?"

You can try to google it....))) I would recommend you to stick to B92 though))) Ecoman can be funny...what do you think B92?)))

"Well, in reference to the story, what is there to say? If there is a referendum, let there be one. I'm going outside now..."

ecoman lost the plot...help him our!

Mitch , It`s really easy to talk from australia where your salary is 10 times higher than in any country in balkans.
If you love so much kosovo why don`t you go there and live but instead you chose to leave your country and work for australians for money who have recognized kosovo as well , huh?

About the referendum , there would just a problem , if the results turns to be pro kosovo ,I`d have one question just like one guy below , how would Nikolic regain control on kosovo? The eu processes would stop the funds from eu might stop as well and Nikolic won`t have a chance to step on kosovo either. So basically it means loosing something in exchange for nothing.

first of all a short line for "nikole", who wrote: "its so much better when you have people challenging your views isn't it?"

dude, IF ONLY your comments would be challenging at least a tiny little bit, but, honestly, you Albanians who are repeatedly posting here on this site, your "arguments" are so incredibly weak, so pathetic that it hurts sometimes!

if one proves you wrong, and I have watched that here almost a dozen times now, you just stay silent! being asked about some REAL and SERIOUS sources in regard to your alleged illyrian descent, you come up with sore losers like Noel Malcolm and other paid writers who are being financed by the american-albanian lobby, or you dare to post some link to a encyclopedia britannica archive showing a EB-article from over a hundred years ago in which some german "scientist" claims that you are the illyrians... I mean, one has to search for it with a microscope to find that bullshit, but you spent a lot of time on doing it, it seems.

but then again, all you can is bloking. nothing, really nothing of your likes could be challenging the serbian view in regard to KiM, which is of course nothing else than southern Serbia.

please keep that in mind when you dare to claim that you are "challenging" anything here...

@Danilo:

who gives you the right to judge upon others here, because one of the Serbs here is writing from Australia? it is his business too.
and I chose KiM over EU, too, by the way - and I share his opinion about "scum".

I agree with you, but the thing is we wont go poor defending Kosovo i Metohija. What I'm saying is we wont somehow be missing out on great prosperity by doing so. Greece, Romania and Bulgaria are the most similar countries to Serbia in the EU and they have not seen that prosperity. Greece did at first obviously but that has slowly eroded and Bulgaria and Romania never did.

No thanks. We will fight for our Jerusalem. Diplomatically for now, and eventually by any means.
(Ari Gold, 18 September 2012 15:46)

In 2004 Bulgaria had a GDP (PPP) per capita of $9,223, whereas in 2011 Bulgaria had a GDP (PPP) per capita of $14,603.
In 2004 Romania had a GDP (PPP) per capita of $8,785, whereas in 2011 Romania had a GDP (PPP) per capita of $15,163.
In 2005 Bulgaria had a GDP (nominal) per capita of $3,459, whereas in 2011 Bulgaria had a GDP (nominal) per capita of $7,202.
In 2005 Romania had a GDP (nominal) per capita of $4,539, whereas in 2011 Romania had a GDP (nominal) per capita of $8,863.
I don't need to debate with you about prosperity, I'll let the facts do that for me. The figures speak for themselves. Also Greece and Serbia are very different economically,

And I love it how you refer to Kosovo as "Jerusalem" because Jerusalem is a city of great importance to Christians, Jews and Muslims; not just one set of people. And the same applies to Kosovo, it is of great importance to Albanians and Serbs, not just one set of people. So I agree that Kosovo and Jerusalem are similar.

No thanks. We will fight for our Jerusalem. Diplomatically for now, and eventually by any means.
(Ari Gold

You said you were going to visit No Mitro and guard it from the Albanians.
You also said you were going to bring a huge golden cross.

Well friend, some came and went and you were nowhere to be seen in NM.
You are going to fight for your 'Jerusalem' the same way, aren't you?

I just want to say to Jovan becasue the ecoman (is gone with the wind) just to watch this

Link
The Fox and the Grapes - Aesop's fables - YouTube

What about the people who live in Kosovo? They should be asked, and not the people in Serbia, and the results would be clear. This is just the continuation of thre same old game Serbs are playing, and it shows their sick understanding of the entire situation. They want to dominate, want to be the rulers, even if the people affected by it do not want them at all. People in Kosovo made the most nightmarish experiences with them not too long ago, were subjected to ethnic cleansing, brutal murders, torture, you name it, and nobody wants them back again. Face it, you are not welcome in Kosova, nobody wants to be under your rule again, but still you insists on the same old crap. There is a major lack of democratic understanding when a country like Serbia tries to impose its will on other people, but as we saw in the past, it was and is official Serb politics. Serbia is not a democratic country if it follows such blind nationalist and dangerous ideas.

That would one of first good steps from Serbs since a very, very, very long time concerning the Kosovo issue. Asking the people directly and not through polls.

But then the consequence must be clear: If they chose EU, then Kosovo must be recognized instantly. If they chose Kosovo, EU application must be withdrawn instantly. Everything else was, is and will/would be just a joke.

Mitch,

You're not living in Serbia. "Serbia" isn't just a hobby for people living in Serbia.

You're commenting on a situation that has no consequence for you whatsoever and judging people for doing what they think is best in a situation that DOES have consequences on them.

How about letting Serbs who live in Serbia do what they feel is best and not judge someone "scum" from a viewing distance of 10 000 km.

It's always easy to play someone else's chess game.

I'm a Serb living in Australia
(Mitch, 18 September 2012 13:06
That is all you need to say. Another "there is no sacrifice too great for YOU to do to make ME proud."
You deserted the homeland for a betterlife but yet when the rest of the paper is talking about how economically hard it is going to be for families to survive in your old homeland all you can think of is if they disappoint YOU they are scum.
Move back to Serbia and support your family on 250 euros a month and then condemn the others.

How shall I put it. Is anybody here really so deluded to think the referendum would turn out anything except yes to defend the country no to EU? If you have any doubt you don't know Serbs at all. This is just Nikolic threatening our western friends and pardners because everybody with a brain cell knows EXACTLY how we'd vote.

A referendum depends from the question and the public opinion in this question. I guess the Serbian "elite" will get the following question from the Western HQ:

Serbs, would you like a real Serbian patriot have a high living standard as a respected member within the EU, and trust you your main parties and their leaders that they will achieve the best result in the negotiations with the Kosovo for the sake of the children and grandchildren their - or are you against this wonderful future for you, your family and your nation: Are you FOR or AGAINST Serbia? 35% of the voters are taking part in the referendum and 98,9% are FOR Serbia
Outcome: two weeks later 90% of the Serbs in Kosovo are leaving their homeland, Serbia gets another loan to feed tem

Part II - The EU might also appreciate the clarity a referendum would provide. Having Serbia opt out of the accession process would remove one of the many problems facing the EU, as well as free up a certain amount of funding - this hasn't started to reach serious levels yet, but once talks start I understand the cash flow is expected to increase.

Individual European companies would still be able to invest in Serbia, although without the prospect of Serbia joining the EU at some point they would have to weigh the financial disadvantages of doing so.

What voting "for Kosovo" might mean I have no idea, but then, I'm pretty sure this goes for those suggesting the referendum as well.

Tadic bet that his efforts to smuggle an unwilling Serbia into the EU he would convince its people before the final signing that they actually had so much to gain that they would be able to be flexible on Kosovo. The worldwide financial crisis put an end to that plan, and it's time to recalibrate.

unny, Peggy, how you picked up on "nationalist", but "raving mad" didn't seem to make an impact :)

You know, Peggy, "I know you are but what am I" isn't typically considered a good retort after about grade 3.

I'll vote 'Kosovo' in your referendum, Mr President, but only on condition that you present me with a concrete action plan for restoring complete sovereignty in the province. I don't wish to be as Georgia to South Ossetia, or Azerbaijan to Nagorno-Karabakh. Telling Serbs that Kosovo is theirs whilst that snake Thaci holds power in Pristina, recognized by several major powers, borders on deception. I, personaly, haven't felt as though Serbia has controlled much of anything in Kosovo, apart from a minority share in the north, since Milosevic withdrew his security forces in June 1999. What will you do, President Nikolic, to convince me that this would ever change in my lifetime (I am only 27)? How will you convince the arrogant West to completely abandon their support of the K-Albs? Do you intend to retake Pristina by force with support from Russia and other Serbian allies? Is Serbia again headed for war? Or is your plan to settle for the North, calling that minority share 'Kosovo'? And at what cost? Would Sebs be forced to trade a comparable slice of their South? Tell us truly, Mr President, because many in Serbia are tiring of this dance around the truth.

You reek of desperation, insecurity and weakness. If your people cannot maintain the occupational institutions without Western help then you are not independent, not by a long shot.

They will come and go my friend, those Albanians who are progressive thinking and realize their lives will be better once the occupation is lifted are welcomed to stay, I hope they do. The Jihadists, drug dealers, rapists ect. will go back to Taliban-ia.
(Ari Gold, 18 September 2012 13:03)
As you can see there are no truly independent countries anymore as we have become a global market. See Spain's dependence on the rest of the EU but the fact is that none of them including Kosovo are dependent on Serbia.
Your threats of reigniting your cleansing campaign (no matter how empty a threat it is) is exactly the security blanket the Albanians have that NATO/EU/US is going no where and you are powerless to do anything about it.

Personally, I'm in favor of a referendum. And I agree with the Serbian patriots here, it would probably go against the EU. For Serbia, it would immediately mean an end to the unproductive political bickering that does nothing but distract the government from serious work on the problems facing the country. How can a government behave responsibly when it's participating in a never-ending political melodrama? After renouncing the prospect of EU membership, there would be more need to placate visiting European politicians, no more drama over meeting, or not meeting, foreign criteria. How interested Russia would be in a Serbia with no intention of joining the EU I'm not sure, perhaps the ties of Slavic brotherhood are stronger than I suspect and it will be interested in helping Serbia to flourish in any case.

Brilliant move by a guy like Nikolic that doesn't even have a real university diploma.Kosovo or Eu?Ha ha ha. Which one depends on serbian people choice,again?Asking serbian people to decide on two issues that serbia has not control whatsoever .As an Albanian I wish you could have the referendum this sunday.

Kosova is gone. You want to talk about the serbian constitution fine; slobodan changed it without asking the Albanian's now you want a referendum again not asking the Albanians. Well those days are over. Kosovo is not caring what you thing, and neither does the EU, 22 out of 27 EU states like and support Kosova. Any of the 22 states can and will block the serb war criminals from entering the EU. You can vote tomorrow or today...don't care.

lan, UK

The figures you gave us are impressive, all though some countries an Africa have higher per capita. Now explain to us how increase in per capita made life better for people in these countries? When prices on goods and every day price on living went up with increase in per capita. Just because you make more money doesn’t mean that your standard of living is better.


P.S. My vote=Kosovo

Willi Pfaff,

Serbia suggests only symbolic presence in Kosovo outside Serbian enclaves. Albanians refuse even that while they try to impose their rule over KSerbs, who absolutely don't accept it. Also why RS is ruled by Bosnia if Bosnian serbs don't want it? Is it democratic?

"Innocence of Mohhamad" this is you exKfor isn't it? what happened, why did you change your alias?

Is it long since you left the "heart of Serbia"?
(Zoran, 18 September 2012 15:00)
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Two Zorans posting on B92....

The decision is 100% clear: Kosovo!
Would you Kosovo supporters accept that I or someone else steals your house and kicks you out of it?
And then I tell you: yea.. hmm you lost your house to me, it's over for you, it's mine house now, you do not live there!
Would you accept that?


Not me I think 99.99% of the people would not
That's the same for Kosovo.

"Authorities will ask people — Kosovo or EU"

That's great... If Kosovo were to vote (in theory they should be included in the voters' list since Kosovo is Serbia), they would vote 99% "Kosovo" to make sure that Serbia does not join the EU. It does not have Kosovo anyway :)

unny, Peggy, how you picked up on "nationalist", but "raving mad" didn't seem to make an impact :)
(Danilo, 19 September 2012 00:06)
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Don't talk about yourself that way. We don't need you to actually admit it.

And I love it how you refer to Kosovo as "Jerusalem" because Jerusalem is a city of great importance to Christians, Jews and Muslims; not just one set of people. And the same applies to Kosovo, it is of great importance to Albanians and Serbs, not just one set of people. So I agree that Kosovo and Jerusalem are similar.
(Ian, UK, 18 September 2012 20:26)

Tell it to Americans, EU and Albanians, because all of them tend to believe Kosovo is Albanian land only.
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Kosovo or EU is just simplification, actually the question could be like that: Do you agree to dismantle Serbian institutions in NKosovo and face Serb exodus from there to Serbia in the sake of increasing a little bit probability of being admitted to EU sometime in the future.

(Mitch, 18 September 2012 13:06
You had to move to Australia as a child with no choice, but since your parents have moved to Bosnia, I am sure you must be an adult with the ability to make choices.
That choice is to live in Australia and not your ever so precious homeland that means more than life itself. Yeah right.
Again I say you are just like the rest of the Serbs that have left for a better life. Instead of wanting the best for those at home, you think no sacrifice they make for YOUR Serbian pride can be too great.
I repeat your comment.
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If you were actually truly concerned with Serbia, you would be wanting the people to make the best choice for themselves not for you.
The reality is Serbia will never have Kosovo as Serbia again, you have 95% of the population that are not Serbian so even if there was a chance for it to be part of Serbia it would be name only. There is nothing Serbia can offer that would entice the population of Kosovo to change their mind and with support of almost half the world and the part that matters (including Australia) I do not ever see it happening. I reiterate the things Kosovo lacks UN membership, etc, it cannot get from rejoining Serbia, and lets face it Serbia is not even close to a point it could offer economic assistance. So short of military intervention (which you know will not happen) how do you propose that a vote to keep Kosovo is going to mean anything?

tell you what aaayyy, we want symbolic presence in Presheva, Serbia don't accept even that.
(Nikolle, 19 September 2012 11:25)

Again that statement of yours implies that Serbia and Kosovo* have the same status, while they don't.

They've already had referendums before have they not with the majority choosing territorial integrity over the EU?

Serbia’s policy has dramatically changed towards the EU since Nikolic has been elected or should I say since Nikolic was appointed by Moscow.
(sj, 18 September 2012 14:33)

I totally agree. Serbia now does exactly what the EU tells Nikolic to do (see for example the Kosovo's nameplate affair). Even that traitor of Tadic did put some more resistance...

i tell you what aaayyy, we want symbolic presence in Presheva, Serbia don't accept even that. seriously dude, give it a rest, you honestly have no idea what you're writing about.

"Again that statement of yours implies that Serbia and Kosovo* have the same status, while they don't."

it matters not, the priniciple is the same. Albanian minority in Serbia, Serbian minority in Kosova. what you're essentialy suggesting is this, Serbia is more powerful, so suck it up. well, 2 can tango to that tune. Kosova is independent, so suck it up

Again that statement of yours implies that Serbia and Kosovo* have the same status, while they don't.
(aaayyy, 19 September 2012 14:24)

That's absolutely correct. Kosovo's status as defined in Kosovo's UDI is in accordance with international law, as ICJ said. Whereas Serbia's status as defined in Serbia's UDI is still in doubt as it was never declared in accordance with international law by any international court competent on the matter.

If B92 will allow one more post:

obviously (I think) it should have been - "there would be NO more need to placate visiting European politicians,..." which seems to be a source of continuing irritation to a good number of posters and probably non-posting Serbs as well.

I've come to this party a little late, but I'm going to be straight guys...

It doesn't matter whether we vote for Kosovo or the EU, because neither is on offer. Neither can Serbia hope to retain Kosovo as a autonomous province in its current shape, nor can Serbia join the EU in the near future for many reasons.

So for me this is an attempt for the government to try to gain an ally in the public, or an attempt from the government to unshackle itself from its commitments to Kosovo or the EU.

The reality though is that in Serbia we will again be presented with a false choice. We will again be forced to focus on Kosovo and the EU as the importance of other topics are reduced. What about living standards and economic growth? Whats the government's plan to create jobs? Is the government going to tackle corruption and who will it protect? What about serious reform in the public sector? What about pensions? How about investing in health?

People live their lives affected by these issues and there is always an excuse to talk about other issues...

Careful what you wish for!
As I understand so far a referendum is being suggested to determine the peoples views regarding EU/Kosovo.
I feel that that the Government are already aware of the depth of feeling regarding Kosovo, and I doubt it will bode well with some. The referendum will be used for clarification.
My prediction of a likely outcome will favour EU.
Shocking is'nt it.
Before I am castigated by all and sundry for my opinion, I would have you know that my connection to Serbia is far from tenuous. My wife and her family lost all in Suva reka, and like a substantial amount of KSerbs are reasonably pragmatic regards the future.
Also, a number of Serbians in general are weary of the ongoing problem, 'kosovo fatigue'.
As I said, be careful what you wish for......................

"Only the citizens could decide on a dilemma like this, that would make decision on the defense of the Constitution and territorial integrity, and the state's strategic direction on the other hand,"
YES, a referendum would be a great idea !!!

That you know that we are for it to call a referendum or the EU or Kosovo.

totally agree. Serbia now does exactly what the EU tells Nikolic to do (see for example the Kosovo's nameplate affair). Even that traitor of Tadic did put some more resistance...
(icj1, 19 September 2012 04:08)
How many have you had before posting this one?

This girl isn't even Serb.. See how you feel now
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=rUcE0Hqcce8

Not taking into account any futile nationalistic rhetoric be that Serbian or Albanian or anyone for that matter, i think that such a move by Serbia is a good card to play to counteract pressure. However if indeed it came to life and the Serbs (i don't think Kosovo's citizens will take part in the vote, implying legal controversies imposed by the factual situation) choose to vote for the long lost Kosovo rather than the EU the repercussions would be bad for everybody. A possible frozen conflict would make matters worse for the Serbs, Kosovo Albanians and the region in whole, namely Bosnia and Macedonia.

Such a policy, most certainly not viable, would backfire and in 20 years time in order to escape the deadlock the international community could even accept a join between Kosovo and Albania solving the issue defacto partially . Estimating that the other WB countries in ten years time would have probably joined EU leaving outside probably Serbia, Kosovo and possibly even Bosnia.

The scenario of a possible frozen conflict mounts to a 'negative sum game' as opposed to a possible agreement between the two countries which would turn it to a 'positive sum game' and dismissing the current status quo and parties agenda pushing for a 'zero sum game' i.e. the benefits of one are the loss of the other.

You know, Peggy, "I know you are but what am I" isn't typically considered a good retort after about grade 3.
(Danilo, 19 September 2012 11:52)
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If that is the case, why did you first mention it?

Serbia suggests only symbolic presence in Kosovo outside Serbian enclaves. Albanians refuse even that while they try to impose their rule over KSerbs, who absolutely don't accept it.
(aaayyy, 19 September 2012 10:45)

Ah, OK... so only symbolic. I think we have a solution that symbolically will satisfy Serbs and nobody else would be against. The solution is that Serbia is free to say day and night that "Kosovo is Serbia" and nobody will object. Is there a better symbology than that ?

totally agree. Serbia now does exactly what the EU tells Nikolic to do (see for example the Kosovo's nameplate affair). Even that traitor of Tadic did put some more resistance...
(icj1, 19 September 2012 04:08)
How many have you had before posting this one?
(sj, 19 September 2012 10:57)

As many as you because I'm agreeing with you :)