Serbia wants negotiations without preconditions

I think this guy is a total failure. He still believe in his mind that Serbia can undo Kosovo independece. WHAT a nutter! There will be no serious talks unless Serbia is made to recognise Kosovo independence first as it did with Montenegro. Serbia did not like initially but then loved it.....))))

Wasn't the population census just completed in which Serbs were told not to participate. I believe the next one is scheduled in about 10 years.
Serbia always a couple of steps behind!

Ari,

You like talking about "occupation of Kosovo". Kosovo is still there "go and take it"! You could not take it when you had the strongest firepower in the Balkans...even when you turned on civilians...Just a reminder...

#When NATO leaves, EA. Just a reminder, if KLA did not start killing innocent civilians, calm would have prevailed in KiM, and thousands of lives would have been saved. Should the Serbs have nothing when someone was terrorizing and killing them?
(ecoman#

Maybe if it was only Kosovo, but all you Serbs say the same thing for all your neighbours. It is a truly tragic way of living, by pumping yourself with weird voodoo fabrications and way too much self Israelisation.

When NATO leaves, EA. Just a reminder, if KLA did not start killing innocent civilians, calm would have prevailed in KiM, and thousands of lives would have been saved. Should the Serbs have nothing when someone was terrorizing and killing them?

let me tell you something Ari Gold, if that day is ever to come (that Serbia will control Kosova again, of course it NEVER will) you will have been long dead. in short, you will not live to see it, you can only fantasize it

Ari,

You like talking about "occupation of Kosovo". Kosovo is still there "go and take it"! You could not take it when you had the strongest firepower in the Balkans...even when you turned on civilians...Just a reminder...
(EA, 17 September 2012 13:13)

Well its sure as hell not because of Albanians why we are not there to 'take it' LMAO. Sorry but you are not a coward for not wanting to engage another war with a multi national military alliance that is the strongest in the world. Rather it is you that is the coward for needing them to be able to proceed with your church burning, organ extracting, rape and obviously murder.

You are well aware that nobody is scared of the Albanians and the temporary occupation will be lifted very quickly whenever NATO leaves. We can sit here and argue as to when that will be but the only thing that is 100% certain is that Serbia will liberate Kosovo i Metohija whenever that does happen there is no getting around that.

Personally I think that if Serbia tried even today there would not be a bombing but probably sanctions and NATO providing support to the Jihadi terrorists. But regardless, Serbs say "Kad...tad" and that basically means when the time arrives we will be ready.

There will be no serious talks unless Serbia is made to recognise Kosovo independence first as it did with Montenegro. Serbia did not like initially but then loved it.....))))
(EA, 17 September 2012 10:52)

Montenegro actually had a legal right to a referendum of independence not from Serbia but from the state union of Serbia & Montenegro. The Titoist Djukanovic exercised that right and by manipulating votes and allowing Albanians from Kosovo i Metohija take part but not Montenegrins living in other parts of Serbia managed to break apart that state union.

Kosovo i Metohija however is not and never was a republic. It is an integral part of the Republic of Serbia and is under temporary occupation. Serbia 'loved' when Montenegro broke up the state union because under that union Serbia (a country of over 9 million people including occupiers) and Montenegro (650,000 people) were treated as equal partners and had equal say in everything.

It was good that the state union ceased to exist. But not good for the Montenegrin people as the country is simply used as a cartel zone for the Montenegrin Titoists.

Well that not be there forever and when that illegal structure is defeated, I suspect Montenegro will vote to become an integral part of the Republic of Serbia. God knows Serbia could cripple Djukanovic if it wants but Beograd is made up of fifth columnists so..

where was and where is the Serbian government defending the OWN people - Michael
I believe that Serbia was defending its own from the terrorist attacks of the KLA. Remember, the US State Dept. even said the KLA were a terrorist group, until they needed, and exploited them for a ground war. I am not quite sure what your entire comment means, actually.

ecoman, 17 September 2012 14:47)
The US labelled the KLA as a terrorist organization based on reports coming out of Yugoslavia which was all filtered through Belgrade at the time. Whenever UN observers were allowed inside and revealed the true stories and the UNSC began its series of resolutions to make Yugo/Serb forces end their violence against civilians in Kosovo then the US removed the KLA from their terrorist list as appropriate.

It's not in our interests to sit down at the same table as a neighbor that wants you dead. It makes no sense to us at all. Too much abuse, rape, broken promises, and emotional breakup. It's time this divorce is finalized and we can all move on forward.


Sincerely,

Koko Serbia wants no hold on former Yugoslav republics, but it will not relinquish its Southern province of KiM, just because some international powers want it to. Croatia can go and do what it wants, so can Macedonia, Montenegro, and BiH, and Slovenia already has. God bless them all. I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

KiM, by the way, was not a republic of the former, YU, but Serbia's Southern province, as it legally remains today.
(ecoman, 17 September 2012 18:08)

And who made the decision that Kosovo should be a province and not a republic?

@ecoman:what your are calling "terrorist group" was organized with knowledge of Belgrade (weapons were sold by Yu-officers)and the complete parralel structure was accepted, all the "terrorists" could travel freely...I would like to mention that Albania (!) is a country where the pople dont need a visa to come to Serbia today. Many of highly respected people today were once blmed as "terrorists". It make no sense to play the battles from the past, what the Serbs like little children (why they can do it an the Serbs not)are doing. But where are the plans for the future? Why NOTHING changes in Belgrade since so amny years? Why the Serbians followe the request of the US to clean the ground of the new embassy from NATO-munition but never replaced the demaged buildings of MUP oder General staff? There are soo many questions, but no answers. Think deeper! The Serbs were too long under colonial rulership, there is no real feeling for freedom and an own way.

Croatia can go and do what it wants, so can Macedonia, Montenegro, and BiH, and Slovenia already has. God bless them all. I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.
(ecoman, 17 September 2012 15:04)

I hope Ari thinks the same....)))

Should we all thank Serbia "for allowing" Croats and others to be independent....?)))) Just an advise don't be rediculous now....

Serbia wants negotiations without preconditions

Send a letter ta Santa Mr.Vulin.You might get your wish fulfilled this Christmas.But don't forget to leave some milk and cookies under the tree for Santa.

@ecoman: good question, but you should ask Belgrade: where was and where is the Serbian government defending the OWN people...Serbs are making an impression not to be a real nation, only involved in terrible disputes about nothing and trying to make other countries happy..it is funny if medai are writing in Serbia: "we have learnt that...." and never a deeper analysis, only little unimportant facts and speculations about this word as condition or not or this date for the next fruitless negotiations...where are all the diplomats Yugoslavia had once, and some were really clever

I wonder who's going to take over whom going forward into the future? If this guy wants a census he might have to wait and it will not be done by Serbia but by the UN since Serbia follows 1244 to the T.

Now going forward if we look at population growth in 10 years time Albanians will be in Niš by 2022. Imagine that. My advice is Serbians should have more XXX and not use abortion clinics and be more pro life. Maybe women will get gold coins for having 5 babies from politicians.

Now to the gentlemen and ladies that bring churches into their conversations. It is a shame that these holy sites were desecrated in some form or another. Simply sad! If you look into the governments policy since the late seventies and specifically 1981 it's been their policy to build churches without a congregation. It's called marking your territory via the church.

Not one single Catholic church was touched. And more have been built since the war. Hmmmm no one ever mentions this from the Serbian side. Must be an oversight. Oh well...

My god people! Can't you see that there are no conditions to join. It's all an illusion. If Serbia suddenly withdrew their application into the EU, the EU would impose other conditions mainly those which their brothers in NATO imposed years ago. The toughest thing to do now is turned down the EU. Once you start talking with the mafia, it's tough to walk away and say no. They want you now.

Another thing, do you really all think that the EU gives a crap about any countries in South Eastern Europe? Nope!!! The EU is simply Germany taking over and controlling Europe.

" KiM, by the way, was not a republic of the former, YU, but Serbia's Southern province, as it legally remains today...."
(ecoman, 17 September 2012 18:08)

It is not as simple as you are trying to portrait it...) Let me teach you a lesson, if a country/state oppresses "its own people" it risks losing that people and the territory where they live in. If you would like me to elaborate I can but I will ask B92 to charge you on my bahalf...))))) Have you ever thought/immagined how many people have been victims in Kosovo, how many have been displaced.......?

The Serbs were too long under colonial rulership, there is no real feeling for freedom and an own way. MIchael
Colonial rule, what in the world are you talking about? Do you even know what colonial rule is? India was under colonial rule, Persia was under colonial rule. Many countries in Northern Africa were under colonial rule. But Serbia, I don't think so. If so, who colonized it, what country? Michael, I don't even know where to start in replying to you. I think we have a language barrier here, that unfortunately stands in the way of a concrete conversation. You may have some good thoughts, but I do not know clearly what they are.

US removed the KLA from their terrorist list as appropriate. a New Day
Please, don't be ridiculous. The KLA was removed from the terrorist list because the USA wanted to use them as their ground offensive in Kosovo when they were planning to rid KiM of Serbian forces. Are you, in al honesty, as a grown individual, saying that the US State Dept. took the words of the Belgrade government as fact, and proclaimed the KLA as terrorists because of them? Thanks for the laugh, New Day, but your answer does not hold water, sorry. Try again with a better story, one that may actually be believable. US listening to what Slobo was saying, and taking it as fact, hahahahaha.

EA, I did not say Serbia allowed anyone to be independent, do not twist my comments. I said that all former republics of Yugoslavia can go and do their own thing, and God bless them. But to claim that Serbia is the root for all the problems one nation now has, is ridiculous. KiM, by the way, was not a republic of the former, YU, but Serbia's Southern province, as it legally remains today. Maybe it's your "Kosova" hang up that makes you say derogatory, and simply wrong things about my comments? EA, there is more to the world than Kosova, look around.

"When NATO leaves, EA. Just a reminder, if KLA did not start killing innocent civilians, calm would have prevailed in KiM, and thousands of lives would have been saved."
(ecoman, 17 September 2012 13:47)

And another reminder: If the autonomy would not have been revoked, and if the police and state institutions of YU would have acted in a civilized manner when it comes to dealing with separatists, i.e. arresting individual perpetrators of crimes instead of killing whole families and sending army and paramilitaries who looted and destroyed whole villages, calm would have prevailed, too.

Albanians in Kosovo have 10-12 children per family. 50 years ago there were more serbs then albanians in Kosovo. A high birthrate should not entitle albanians to someone elses territory. Kosovo is legaly serbian land but has illegaly been snatched by albanians and some western powers. It has been done so to calm albanian separist ambitions in Macedonia and Montenegro. However, albanian ambitions for someone elses territory will never calm.

(ecoman, 17 September 2012 18:08)
Bingo, with the exception of "as it legally remains today" you have hit on the point. Kosovo was an autonomous province with the same freedoms and rights as a republic, but because it was not a republic Serbia was able to revoke their autonomy. Now you have the picture of why returning to an autonomous province is unacceptable to Kosovo, and the west. Serbia has done nothing to show a change, so autonomy could be granted tomorrow and revoked the following day and then we are back to gound zero where Serbs are once again expelling Albanians and oppression begins again.
The part about Kosovo legally being a province of Serbia is only under Serbian Constitution which 1244 has effectively annulled. Serbian law does not apply to the UN protectorate of Kosovo. You have your ICJ ruling that the DOI does not violate international law. If you want a clearer ruling take it back to the ICJ with an intelligent question this time. But as long as the countries that Kosovo needs to deal with to survive formal recognize it as independent it is not a province of Serbia.
The thing about legality is, it is only as good as your ability to enforce it. If you say something is illegal and everyone ignores it and you are unable to enforce it, then where are you?
Did you know that in Carmel California it is illegal " for a man to go outside in a jacket and pants that do not match" do you think anyone pays attention to that law or it is enforceable?

ecoman, 17 September 2012 18:08
my version holds way more water than that leaky bucket you are parading around with. You really think that the US did all this, just to open a military base in Kosovo. They could have held up a bid card and said we want to open a base in southeastern Europe and had 7-8 countries within 500 km begging for it. These statements are only made from those who read about Bondsteel not from those who have ever visited it nor know any of the history there.
I have heard the stories, it was for the mines, it was for the pipeline, it was for the base. All from people who cannot see good in themselves so cannot fathom good in anyone else. The war was to stop the slaughter of a people in the midst of the western sphere of influence. And remember the Kosovo conflict did not happen until long after the conflicts in Bosnia and the west saw Serbian goals and what they were capable of.

When NATO leaves, EA.
(ecoman, 17 September 2012 13:47)

Then you have to wait to eternity dear because UNSCR 1244 which sent NATO there is going to be in force for quite some time and unfortunately for you that is supported by all parties, Serbia included.

KiM, by the way, was not a republic of the former, YU, but Serbia's Southern province, as it legally remains today.
(ecoman, 17 September 2012 18:08)

As far as legalities are concernd, thanks to Vuk's help, everything is clear now that Kosovo's status as defined in Kosovo's Declaration of Independence is in accordance with international law.

But, yes, I agree that according to Serbia's law, Kosovo is Serbia's southern province. Unfortunately, Kosovo is not governed by Zimbabwe's or Serbia's law, but by international law.

"Maybe women will get gold coins for having 5 babies from politicians."

Kiko, that sentence can be parsed in two ways: "women will get gold coins from politicians" or "women will have 5 babies from politicians". Which one is it? I prefer the second one. Just imagine..

Albanians in Kosovo have 10-12 children per family. 50 years ago there were more serbs then albanians in Kosovo. A high birthrate should not entitle albanians to someone elses territory. Kosovo is legaly serbian land but has illegaly been snatched by albanians
(MikeC, 18 September 2012 09:24)

Having 10 or 30 babies is not illegal, dear, except in China :)

Mr Ecoman you dont know that Serbia was 500 y. under the Turks? You dont nothing about Serbian history and te results for today

To: Reader

There was an article here a few years back where a politician gave a women a gold coin because she had 5 children. I do agree with your point of view of the latter. I'm sure there are politicians that are in that situation :)

@MikeC Where do you get your stats from? 50yrs ago there weren't more serbians then albanians in kosovo/a. Look up the census numbers. And its sad that no one looks at the treaties that the kingdom of serbia signed and what "facts" they presented to the world powers back then. Not one single demographic stat was true but it was presented to gain territory as Serbia, Bulgaria, and Greece were vying to gain territory. The Serbs presented Albanized Serbs as far as Nis, Bulgarians presented Bulgarians past Lake Ohrid, and Greeks presented Albanized Greeks as far north passing Tirana. Greeks made deals with Serbs and once that didn't work out it and Bulgaria was set to gain all hell broke lose into the Balkan wars.
The area is full of lies from all parties and all demographic stats are biased. That is a fact. Repeat a lie long enough ppl start to think it is the truth.
Both parties seriously can't see how much you two ethnic groups have in common. You were all once Christians, your own kind betrayed you more so than your enemies, and your all thick headed individuals grasping to a past that never existed. Just myths that no one can verify.
Hopefully one day people will be able to sit and break bread together and laugh :)

And another reminder: If the autonomy would not have been revoked, and if the police and state institutions of YU would have acted in a civilized manner when it comes to dealing with separatists, i.e. arresting individual perpetrators of crimes instead of killing whole families and sending army and paramilitaries who looted and destroyed whole villages, calm would have prevailed, too.
(Comm. Parrisson, 18 September 2012 10:21
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Thumbs up for the comment.

Yugoslavia should have taken Canada's example. Canada had to deal with FLQ (front liberation du Quebec. FLQ committed crimes which Canadian authorities arrested only the perpetrator nationalists. French Canadians enjoy equal rights with English speaking Canadians, there fore when FLQ committed crimes, French Canadians sympathized with the victims and viewed FLQ as terrorists. The nationalist elements still exist in Quebec. They are now pursuing peaceful methods to succeed from Canada. Twice they have invoked referendum for independence and French Canadians have voted to saty in they union.

If Serbs treated ethnic Albanians with respect and dignity as equals and to focus on arresting radicals rather than to punish the entire population for the crimes of the radical elements than the Balkans would have been spared form the bloody wars.

There will be no serious talks unless Serbia is made to recognise Kosovo independence first as it did with Montenegro. Serbia did not like initially but then loved it.....))))
(EA, 17 September 2012 10:52)

Montenegro actually had a legal right to a referendum of independence not from Serbia but from the state union of Serbia & Montenegro. The Titoist Djukanovic exercised that right and by manipulating votes and allowing Albanians from Kosovo i Metohija take part but not Montenegrins living in other parts of Serbia managed to break apart that state union.

Kosovo i Metohija however is not and never was a republic. It is an integral part of the Republic of Serbia and is under temporary occupation. Serbia 'loved' when Montenegro broke up the state union because under that union Serbia (a country of over 9 million people including occupiers) and Montenegro (650,000 people) were treated as equal partners and had equal say in everything.

It was good that the state union ceased to exist. But not good for the Montenegrin people as the country is simply used as a cartel zone for the Montenegrin Titoists.

Well that not be there forever and when that illegal structure is defeated, I suspect Montenegro will vote to become an integral part of the Republic of Serbia. God knows Serbia could cripple Djukanovic if it wants but Beograd is made up of fifth columnists so..

Ari,

You like talking about "occupation of Kosovo". Kosovo is still there "go and take it"! You could not take it when you had the strongest firepower in the Balkans...even when you turned on civilians...Just a reminder...
(EA, 17 September 2012 13:13)

Well its sure as hell not because of Albanians why we are not there to 'take it' LMAO. Sorry but you are not a coward for not wanting to engage another war with a multi national military alliance that is the strongest in the world. Rather it is you that is the coward for needing them to be able to proceed with your church burning, organ extracting, rape and obviously murder.

You are well aware that nobody is scared of the Albanians and the temporary occupation will be lifted very quickly whenever NATO leaves. We can sit here and argue as to when that will be but the only thing that is 100% certain is that Serbia will liberate Kosovo i Metohija whenever that does happen there is no getting around that.

Personally I think that if Serbia tried even today there would not be a bombing but probably sanctions and NATO providing support to the Jihadi terrorists. But regardless, Serbs say "Kad...tad" and that basically means when the time arrives we will be ready.

where was and where is the Serbian government defending the OWN people - Michael
I believe that Serbia was defending its own from the terrorist attacks of the KLA. Remember, the US State Dept. even said the KLA were a terrorist group, until they needed, and exploited them for a ground war. I am not quite sure what your entire comment means, actually.

I think this guy is a total failure. He still believe in his mind that Serbia can undo Kosovo independece. WHAT a nutter! There will be no serious talks unless Serbia is made to recognise Kosovo independence first as it did with Montenegro. Serbia did not like initially but then loved it.....))))

let me tell you something Ari Gold, if that day is ever to come (that Serbia will control Kosova again, of course it NEVER will) you will have been long dead. in short, you will not live to see it, you can only fantasize it

Ari,

You like talking about "occupation of Kosovo". Kosovo is still there "go and take it"! You could not take it when you had the strongest firepower in the Balkans...even when you turned on civilians...Just a reminder...

When NATO leaves, EA. Just a reminder, if KLA did not start killing innocent civilians, calm would have prevailed in KiM, and thousands of lives would have been saved. Should the Serbs have nothing when someone was terrorizing and killing them?

#When NATO leaves, EA. Just a reminder, if KLA did not start killing innocent civilians, calm would have prevailed in KiM, and thousands of lives would have been saved. Should the Serbs have nothing when someone was terrorizing and killing them?
(ecoman#

Maybe if it was only Kosovo, but all you Serbs say the same thing for all your neighbours. It is a truly tragic way of living, by pumping yourself with weird voodoo fabrications and way too much self Israelisation.

Wasn't the population census just completed in which Serbs were told not to participate. I believe the next one is scheduled in about 10 years.
Serbia always a couple of steps behind!

Koko Serbia wants no hold on former Yugoslav republics, but it will not relinquish its Southern province of KiM, just because some international powers want it to. Croatia can go and do what it wants, so can Macedonia, Montenegro, and BiH, and Slovenia already has. God bless them all. I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

Croatia can go and do what it wants, so can Macedonia, Montenegro, and BiH, and Slovenia already has. God bless them all. I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.
(ecoman, 17 September 2012 15:04)

I hope Ari thinks the same....)))

Should we all thank Serbia "for allowing" Croats and others to be independent....?)))) Just an advise don't be rediculous now....

EA, I did not say Serbia allowed anyone to be independent, do not twist my comments. I said that all former republics of Yugoslavia can go and do their own thing, and God bless them. But to claim that Serbia is the root for all the problems one nation now has, is ridiculous. KiM, by the way, was not a republic of the former, YU, but Serbia's Southern province, as it legally remains today. Maybe it's your "Kosova" hang up that makes you say derogatory, and simply wrong things about my comments? EA, there is more to the world than Kosova, look around.

" KiM, by the way, was not a republic of the former, YU, but Serbia's Southern province, as it legally remains today...."
(ecoman, 17 September 2012 18:08)

It is not as simple as you are trying to portrait it...) Let me teach you a lesson, if a country/state oppresses "its own people" it risks losing that people and the territory where they live in. If you would like me to elaborate I can but I will ask B92 to charge you on my bahalf...))))) Have you ever thought/immagined how many people have been victims in Kosovo, how many have been displaced.......?

@ecoman:what your are calling "terrorist group" was organized with knowledge of Belgrade (weapons were sold by Yu-officers)and the complete parralel structure was accepted, all the "terrorists" could travel freely...I would like to mention that Albania (!) is a country where the pople dont need a visa to come to Serbia today. Many of highly respected people today were once blmed as "terrorists". It make no sense to play the battles from the past, what the Serbs like little children (why they can do it an the Serbs not)are doing. But where are the plans for the future? Why NOTHING changes in Belgrade since so amny years? Why the Serbians followe the request of the US to clean the ground of the new embassy from NATO-munition but never replaced the demaged buildings of MUP oder General staff? There are soo many questions, but no answers. Think deeper! The Serbs were too long under colonial rulership, there is no real feeling for freedom and an own way.

It's not in our interests to sit down at the same table as a neighbor that wants you dead. It makes no sense to us at all. Too much abuse, rape, broken promises, and emotional breakup. It's time this divorce is finalized and we can all move on forward.


Sincerely,

@ecoman: good question, but you should ask Belgrade: where was and where is the Serbian government defending the OWN people...Serbs are making an impression not to be a real nation, only involved in terrible disputes about nothing and trying to make other countries happy..it is funny if medai are writing in Serbia: "we have learnt that...." and never a deeper analysis, only little unimportant facts and speculations about this word as condition or not or this date for the next fruitless negotiations...where are all the diplomats Yugoslavia had once, and some were really clever

ecoman, 17 September 2012 14:47)
The US labelled the KLA as a terrorist organization based on reports coming out of Yugoslavia which was all filtered through Belgrade at the time. Whenever UN observers were allowed inside and revealed the true stories and the UNSC began its series of resolutions to make Yugo/Serb forces end their violence against civilians in Kosovo then the US removed the KLA from their terrorist list as appropriate.

My god people! Can't you see that there are no conditions to join. It's all an illusion. If Serbia suddenly withdrew their application into the EU, the EU would impose other conditions mainly those which their brothers in NATO imposed years ago. The toughest thing to do now is turned down the EU. Once you start talking with the mafia, it's tough to walk away and say no. They want you now.

Another thing, do you really all think that the EU gives a crap about any countries in South Eastern Europe? Nope!!! The EU is simply Germany taking over and controlling Europe.

The Serbs were too long under colonial rulership, there is no real feeling for freedom and an own way. MIchael
Colonial rule, what in the world are you talking about? Do you even know what colonial rule is? India was under colonial rule, Persia was under colonial rule. Many countries in Northern Africa were under colonial rule. But Serbia, I don't think so. If so, who colonized it, what country? Michael, I don't even know where to start in replying to you. I think we have a language barrier here, that unfortunately stands in the way of a concrete conversation. You may have some good thoughts, but I do not know clearly what they are.

Serbia wants negotiations without preconditions

Send a letter ta Santa Mr.Vulin.You might get your wish fulfilled this Christmas.But don't forget to leave some milk and cookies under the tree for Santa.

US removed the KLA from their terrorist list as appropriate. a New Day
Please, don't be ridiculous. The KLA was removed from the terrorist list because the USA wanted to use them as their ground offensive in Kosovo when they were planning to rid KiM of Serbian forces. Are you, in al honesty, as a grown individual, saying that the US State Dept. took the words of the Belgrade government as fact, and proclaimed the KLA as terrorists because of them? Thanks for the laugh, New Day, but your answer does not hold water, sorry. Try again with a better story, one that may actually be believable. US listening to what Slobo was saying, and taking it as fact, hahahahaha.

KiM, by the way, was not a republic of the former, YU, but Serbia's Southern province, as it legally remains today.
(ecoman, 17 September 2012 18:08)

And who made the decision that Kosovo should be a province and not a republic?

Albanians in Kosovo have 10-12 children per family. 50 years ago there were more serbs then albanians in Kosovo. A high birthrate should not entitle albanians to someone elses territory. Kosovo is legaly serbian land but has illegaly been snatched by albanians and some western powers. It has been done so to calm albanian separist ambitions in Macedonia and Montenegro. However, albanian ambitions for someone elses territory will never calm.

I wonder who's going to take over whom going forward into the future? If this guy wants a census he might have to wait and it will not be done by Serbia but by the UN since Serbia follows 1244 to the T.

Now going forward if we look at population growth in 10 years time Albanians will be in Niš by 2022. Imagine that. My advice is Serbians should have more XXX and not use abortion clinics and be more pro life. Maybe women will get gold coins for having 5 babies from politicians.

Now to the gentlemen and ladies that bring churches into their conversations. It is a shame that these holy sites were desecrated in some form or another. Simply sad! If you look into the governments policy since the late seventies and specifically 1981 it's been their policy to build churches without a congregation. It's called marking your territory via the church.

Not one single Catholic church was touched. And more have been built since the war. Hmmmm no one ever mentions this from the Serbian side. Must be an oversight. Oh well...

ecoman, 17 September 2012 18:08
my version holds way more water than that leaky bucket you are parading around with. You really think that the US did all this, just to open a military base in Kosovo. They could have held up a bid card and said we want to open a base in southeastern Europe and had 7-8 countries within 500 km begging for it. These statements are only made from those who read about Bondsteel not from those who have ever visited it nor know any of the history there.
I have heard the stories, it was for the mines, it was for the pipeline, it was for the base. All from people who cannot see good in themselves so cannot fathom good in anyone else. The war was to stop the slaughter of a people in the midst of the western sphere of influence. And remember the Kosovo conflict did not happen until long after the conflicts in Bosnia and the west saw Serbian goals and what they were capable of.

"When NATO leaves, EA. Just a reminder, if KLA did not start killing innocent civilians, calm would have prevailed in KiM, and thousands of lives would have been saved."
(ecoman, 17 September 2012 13:47)

And another reminder: If the autonomy would not have been revoked, and if the police and state institutions of YU would have acted in a civilized manner when it comes to dealing with separatists, i.e. arresting individual perpetrators of crimes instead of killing whole families and sending army and paramilitaries who looted and destroyed whole villages, calm would have prevailed, too.

"Maybe women will get gold coins for having 5 babies from politicians."

Kiko, that sentence can be parsed in two ways: "women will get gold coins from politicians" or "women will have 5 babies from politicians". Which one is it? I prefer the second one. Just imagine..

When NATO leaves, EA.
(ecoman, 17 September 2012 13:47)

Then you have to wait to eternity dear because UNSCR 1244 which sent NATO there is going to be in force for quite some time and unfortunately for you that is supported by all parties, Serbia included.

KiM, by the way, was not a republic of the former, YU, but Serbia's Southern province, as it legally remains today.
(ecoman, 17 September 2012 18:08)

As far as legalities are concernd, thanks to Vuk's help, everything is clear now that Kosovo's status as defined in Kosovo's Declaration of Independence is in accordance with international law.

But, yes, I agree that according to Serbia's law, Kosovo is Serbia's southern province. Unfortunately, Kosovo is not governed by Zimbabwe's or Serbia's law, but by international law.

(ecoman, 17 September 2012 18:08)
Bingo, with the exception of "as it legally remains today" you have hit on the point. Kosovo was an autonomous province with the same freedoms and rights as a republic, but because it was not a republic Serbia was able to revoke their autonomy. Now you have the picture of why returning to an autonomous province is unacceptable to Kosovo, and the west. Serbia has done nothing to show a change, so autonomy could be granted tomorrow and revoked the following day and then we are back to gound zero where Serbs are once again expelling Albanians and oppression begins again.
The part about Kosovo legally being a province of Serbia is only under Serbian Constitution which 1244 has effectively annulled. Serbian law does not apply to the UN protectorate of Kosovo. You have your ICJ ruling that the DOI does not violate international law. If you want a clearer ruling take it back to the ICJ with an intelligent question this time. But as long as the countries that Kosovo needs to deal with to survive formal recognize it as independent it is not a province of Serbia.
The thing about legality is, it is only as good as your ability to enforce it. If you say something is illegal and everyone ignores it and you are unable to enforce it, then where are you?
Did you know that in Carmel California it is illegal " for a man to go outside in a jacket and pants that do not match" do you think anyone pays attention to that law or it is enforceable?

Albanians in Kosovo have 10-12 children per family. 50 years ago there were more serbs then albanians in Kosovo. A high birthrate should not entitle albanians to someone elses territory. Kosovo is legaly serbian land but has illegaly been snatched by albanians
(MikeC, 18 September 2012 09:24)

Having 10 or 30 babies is not illegal, dear, except in China :)

Mr Ecoman you dont know that Serbia was 500 y. under the Turks? You dont nothing about Serbian history and te results for today

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There was an article here a few years back where a politician gave a women a gold coin because she had 5 children. I do agree with your point of view of the latter. I'm sure there are politicians that are in that situation :)

@MikeC Where do you get your stats from? 50yrs ago there weren't more serbians then albanians in kosovo/a. Look up the census numbers. And its sad that no one looks at the treaties that the kingdom of serbia signed and what "facts" they presented to the world powers back then. Not one single demographic stat was true but it was presented to gain territory as Serbia, Bulgaria, and Greece were vying to gain territory. The Serbs presented Albanized Serbs as far as Nis, Bulgarians presented Bulgarians past Lake Ohrid, and Greeks presented Albanized Greeks as far north passing Tirana. Greeks made deals with Serbs and once that didn't work out it and Bulgaria was set to gain all hell broke lose into the Balkan wars.
The area is full of lies from all parties and all demographic stats are biased. That is a fact. Repeat a lie long enough ppl start to think it is the truth.
Both parties seriously can't see how much you two ethnic groups have in common. You were all once Christians, your own kind betrayed you more so than your enemies, and your all thick headed individuals grasping to a past that never existed. Just myths that no one can verify.
Hopefully one day people will be able to sit and break bread together and laugh :)

And another reminder: If the autonomy would not have been revoked, and if the police and state institutions of YU would have acted in a civilized manner when it comes to dealing with separatists, i.e. arresting individual perpetrators of crimes instead of killing whole families and sending army and paramilitaries who looted and destroyed whole villages, calm would have prevailed, too.
(Comm. Parrisson, 18 September 2012 10:21
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Yugoslavia should have taken Canada's example. Canada had to deal with FLQ (front liberation du Quebec. FLQ committed crimes which Canadian authorities arrested only the perpetrator nationalists. French Canadians enjoy equal rights with English speaking Canadians, there fore when FLQ committed crimes, French Canadians sympathized with the victims and viewed FLQ as terrorists. The nationalist elements still exist in Quebec. They are now pursuing peaceful methods to succeed from Canada. Twice they have invoked referendum for independence and French Canadians have voted to saty in they union.

If Serbs treated ethnic Albanians with respect and dignity as equals and to focus on arresting radicals rather than to punish the entire population for the crimes of the radical elements than the Balkans would have been spared form the bloody wars.