EP President Martin Schulz has explained that the statement that "Serbia should recognize Kosovo if it wants to join the EU" was "his personal estimate".
Dr Who: There are many in the UK who are "up in arms" about the issue but at present there are many others pushing the EU down the agenda. A recent poll found that Europe didn't make the top ten burning issues. Clearly once a country is in the EU it becomes less of a concern than for an aspirant country. The fact that we are not in the Euro probably kids people that we are somehow not affected by the ongoing fiasco. Yes, I am in Britain and believe it or not the sun is shining!
No Serbia in the EU = No "Kosova"* in the EU.
(Zoran, 13 September 2012 14:48)
The only way to make sure that "Kosova"* does not become an EU member is for Serbia to join EU before "Kosova"*. Fortunately (for "Kosova"* that is) Serbs - at the least the ones who write on these forums - are not going to allow Serbia to become an EU member.
What is it that you do not understand about most Serbs DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE BLOODY EU!!!
Did you get that dude!!
WE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE EU!!!!
Thank you and good bye.
(Dr.Who, 13 September 2012 15:58
If that is true, why is there even a discussion. You just went through elections you could have chosen someone who was not aggressive seeking EU admission. Apparently you are wrong or Serbs are not smart enough to make decisions. The EU is not putting a noose around your neck to drag you in.
I assume that you are in Britain, why don't the Brits demand a referendum on the EU??
I thought Britain was a democracy and yet the people had no say in something as important as deciding if they wanted in or not?? You are right of course that many Europeans don't wish to be dictated to by a handful of corrupt little upstart politicians. Why aren't the Brits up in arms about this issue??
Choice for Serbs - live in real world, or live in 1389 fiction.
Serbian solution: get money from West with false face, and stay in 1389 fiction with other face.
Dr Who: I think you will find that the man or woman on the streets of most EU capitals shares the view of "most Serbs". It is only the politicians who seem obsessed with Serbia (and others) joining the EU. Personally I would be giving serious consideration to reducing not increasing the number of members and going back to a system of trading blocs. It is very difficult to argue that Serbian membership of the EU, or Macedonian, Montenegrin, Bosnia etc would benefit either the country itself or existing members (apart from large amounts of Euros as bribes up front which will end up in the same pockets). At best it would burnish the credentials of the diplomats who have staked their dwindling reputations on bringing the Western Balkans into the fold.
"It will be very difficult for Serbia to enter the EU even after they recognize Kosovo."
cry me a river
In that case, what's the motivation to recognize Kosovo as independent? If Serbia can't join then trust me Kosovo won't either. At least Serbia is recognized by ALL EU states, which can not be said about Kosovo.
It will be very difficult for Serbia to enter the EU even after they recognize Kosovo.
Serbs know it and they're bitter about it.
Hence the ridiculous comments by some of the people that comment on this forum.
(cry me a river, 13 September 2012 15:10)
Not true, a huge portion of Serbs both in Serbia and worldwide hope it definitely becomes too hard to ever enter this cancerous union. I can ensure you that many, many Serbs would not be bitter about not joining the European Union. Get real, you are clueless.
Schultz makes absolutely no sense in his statements. He notes what is "obvious" and then notes "inconsistencies" among EU members. So the only thing obvious is inconsistency, not a requirement to recognize what not all EU members do not. But as I said yesterday, impose all you want. Recognition comes at a price and Kosovo* will have to make further concessions to get a Serbian recognition.
And who is to decide how a specified country will vote?
(aaayyy, 13 September 2012 16:00)
I did not realize that we had to cover the basics, but here goes. The nations of Europe are called democracies,they have elections every so often and elect people to represent them. These elected representatives form the government which then make decisions concerning all aspects of that country. So the elected government of each country will decide who what when where and how they will vote on not only Serbia but every other matter put before them.
So who is in the position to impose conditions on Serbia?
(aaayyy, 13 September 2012 11:35)
It is a simple answer, you have to complete all that the EU as a group demands but at the end of the day there are 27 votes you have to secure. If you think that you can walk through the door with territorial dispute to 22 who actively support an independent Kosovo, no one can help you with the answer.
The ascension talks are not so you can enter, it is so that you can reach the point to be voted on. Big difference. This is what he means by stating the obvious.
(a New Day, 13 September 2012 12:42)
And who is to decide how a specified country will vote?
It will be very difficult for Serbia to enter the EU even after they recognize Kosovo.
Serbs know it and they're bitter about it.
Hence the ridiculous comments by some of the people that comment on this forum.
Personally, I believe people like these should be speaking up more often. It will certainly help many people to become anti-EU. Our constitution prevents such recognition and even if it were taken to a referendum with a fair question, most would certainly reject it.
Shut up, already. Every day there some german Eurocrat making some (personal) demand that "Serbia must recognize an independent Albanian KiM" - No!, Serbia does not have to. Let's wait and see how future economic and social events play out, before Germans make more demands on Serbia. If Serbia can manage to distance itself from the EU, in its relationships with other major world economic and military powers, Germany can go and cry in their kraut. How much longer will this nation (Germany), in the last 100+ years, keep making demands on Serbia? Jesus, enough already. You have proven yourself to be Serbia's enemy, so why in the world would we want to buddy up to you, especially when there are strong alternatives?
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=09&dd=12&nav_id=82192
So who is in the position to impose conditions on Serbia?
(aaayyy, 13 September 2012 11:35)
It is a simple answer, you have to complete all that the EU as a group demands but at the end of the day there are 27 votes you have to secure. If you think that you can walk through the door with territorial dispute to 22 who actively support an independent Kosovo, no one can help you with the answer.
The ascension talks are not so you can enter, it is so that you can reach the point to be voted on. Big difference. This is what he means by stating the obvious.
"I would like to be completely clear, I am neither in the position, nor I want to impose some additional conditions. I said I would leave decisions of that kind to diplomats, negotiators and governments," Schulz said.
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So who is in the position to impose conditions on Serbia?
"I would like to be completely clear, I am neither in the position, nor I want to impose some additional conditions. I said I would leave decisions of that kind to diplomats, negotiators and governments," Schulz said.
--------------
So who is in the position to impose conditions on Serbia?
So who is in the position to impose conditions on Serbia?
(aaayyy, 13 September 2012 11:35)
It is a simple answer, you have to complete all that the EU as a group demands but at the end of the day there are 27 votes you have to secure. If you think that you can walk through the door with territorial dispute to 22 who actively support an independent Kosovo, no one can help you with the answer.
The ascension talks are not so you can enter, it is so that you can reach the point to be voted on. Big difference. This is what he means by stating the obvious.
Shut up, already. Every day there some german Eurocrat making some (personal) demand that "Serbia must recognize an independent Albanian KiM" - No!, Serbia does not have to. Let's wait and see how future economic and social events play out, before Germans make more demands on Serbia. If Serbia can manage to distance itself from the EU, in its relationships with other major world economic and military powers, Germany can go and cry in their kraut. How much longer will this nation (Germany), in the last 100+ years, keep making demands on Serbia? Jesus, enough already. You have proven yourself to be Serbia's enemy, so why in the world would we want to buddy up to you, especially when there are strong alternatives?
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=09&dd=12&nav_id=82192
Personally, I believe people like these should be speaking up more often. It will certainly help many people to become anti-EU. Our constitution prevents such recognition and even if it were taken to a referendum with a fair question, most would certainly reject it.
So who is in the position to impose conditions on Serbia?
(aaayyy, 13 September 2012 11:35)
It is a simple answer, you have to complete all that the EU as a group demands but at the end of the day there are 27 votes you have to secure. If you think that you can walk through the door with territorial dispute to 22 who actively support an independent Kosovo, no one can help you with the answer.
The ascension talks are not so you can enter, it is so that you can reach the point to be voted on. Big difference. This is what he means by stating the obvious.
(a New Day, 13 September 2012 12:42)
And who is to decide how a specified country will vote?
It will be very difficult for Serbia to enter the EU even after they recognize Kosovo.
Serbs know it and they're bitter about it.
Hence the ridiculous comments by some of the people that comment on this forum.
(cry me a river, 13 September 2012 15:10)
Not true, a huge portion of Serbs both in Serbia and worldwide hope it definitely becomes too hard to ever enter this cancerous union. I can ensure you that many, many Serbs would not be bitter about not joining the European Union. Get real, you are clueless.
It will be very difficult for Serbia to enter the EU even after they recognize Kosovo.
Serbs know it and they're bitter about it.
Hence the ridiculous comments by some of the people that comment on this forum.
"It will be very difficult for Serbia to enter the EU even after they recognize Kosovo."
cry me a river
In that case, what's the motivation to recognize Kosovo as independent? If Serbia can't join then trust me Kosovo won't either. At least Serbia is recognized by ALL EU states, which can not be said about Kosovo.
Schultz makes absolutely no sense in his statements. He notes what is "obvious" and then notes "inconsistencies" among EU members. So the only thing obvious is inconsistency, not a requirement to recognize what not all EU members do not. But as I said yesterday, impose all you want. Recognition comes at a price and Kosovo* will have to make further concessions to get a Serbian recognition.
And who is to decide how a specified country will vote?
(aaayyy, 13 September 2012 16:00)
I did not realize that we had to cover the basics, but here goes. The nations of Europe are called democracies,they have elections every so often and elect people to represent them. These elected representatives form the government which then make decisions concerning all aspects of that country. So the elected government of each country will decide who what when where and how they will vote on not only Serbia but every other matter put before them.
Dr Who: I think you will find that the man or woman on the streets of most EU capitals shares the view of "most Serbs". It is only the politicians who seem obsessed with Serbia (and others) joining the EU. Personally I would be giving serious consideration to reducing not increasing the number of members and going back to a system of trading blocs. It is very difficult to argue that Serbian membership of the EU, or Macedonian, Montenegrin, Bosnia etc would benefit either the country itself or existing members (apart from large amounts of Euros as bribes up front which will end up in the same pockets). At best it would burnish the credentials of the diplomats who have staked their dwindling reputations on bringing the Western Balkans into the fold.
I assume that you are in Britain, why don't the Brits demand a referendum on the EU??
I thought Britain was a democracy and yet the people had no say in something as important as deciding if they wanted in or not?? You are right of course that many Europeans don't wish to be dictated to by a handful of corrupt little upstart politicians. Why aren't the Brits up in arms about this issue??
What is it that you do not understand about most Serbs DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE BLOODY EU!!!
Did you get that dude!!
WE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE EU!!!!
Thank you and good bye.
(Dr.Who, 13 September 2012 15:58
If that is true, why is there even a discussion. You just went through elections you could have chosen someone who was not aggressive seeking EU admission. Apparently you are wrong or Serbs are not smart enough to make decisions. The EU is not putting a noose around your neck to drag you in.
Choice for Serbs - live in real world, or live in 1389 fiction.
Serbian solution: get money from West with false face, and stay in 1389 fiction with other face.
No Serbia in the EU = No "Kosova"* in the EU.
(Zoran, 13 September 2012 14:48)
The only way to make sure that "Kosova"* does not become an EU member is for Serbia to join EU before "Kosova"*. Fortunately (for "Kosova"* that is) Serbs - at the least the ones who write on these forums - are not going to allow Serbia to become an EU member.
Dr Who: There are many in the UK who are "up in arms" about the issue but at present there are many others pushing the EU down the agenda. A recent poll found that Europe didn't make the top ten burning issues. Clearly once a country is in the EU it becomes less of a concern than for an aspirant country. The fact that we are not in the Euro probably kids people that we are somehow not affected by the ongoing fiasco. Yes, I am in Britain and believe it or not the sun is shining!
It will be very difficult for Serbia to enter the EU even after they recognize Kosovo.
Serbs know it and they're bitter about it.
Hence the ridiculous comments by some of the people that comment on this forum.
Personally, I believe people like these should be speaking up more often. It will certainly help many people to become anti-EU. Our constitution prevents such recognition and even if it were taken to a referendum with a fair question, most would certainly reject it.
Shut up, already. Every day there some german Eurocrat making some (personal) demand that "Serbia must recognize an independent Albanian KiM" - No!, Serbia does not have to. Let's wait and see how future economic and social events play out, before Germans make more demands on Serbia. If Serbia can manage to distance itself from the EU, in its relationships with other major world economic and military powers, Germany can go and cry in their kraut. How much longer will this nation (Germany), in the last 100+ years, keep making demands on Serbia? Jesus, enough already. You have proven yourself to be Serbia's enemy, so why in the world would we want to buddy up to you, especially when there are strong alternatives?
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=09&dd=12&nav_id=82192
So who is in the position to impose conditions on Serbia?
(aaayyy, 13 September 2012 11:35)
It is a simple answer, you have to complete all that the EU as a group demands but at the end of the day there are 27 votes you have to secure. If you think that you can walk through the door with territorial dispute to 22 who actively support an independent Kosovo, no one can help you with the answer.
The ascension talks are not so you can enter, it is so that you can reach the point to be voted on. Big difference. This is what he means by stating the obvious.
"I would like to be completely clear, I am neither in the position, nor I want to impose some additional conditions. I said I would leave decisions of that kind to diplomats, negotiators and governments," Schulz said.
--------------
So who is in the position to impose conditions on Serbia?
So who is in the position to impose conditions on Serbia?
(aaayyy, 13 September 2012 11:35)
It is a simple answer, you have to complete all that the EU as a group demands but at the end of the day there are 27 votes you have to secure. If you think that you can walk through the door with territorial dispute to 22 who actively support an independent Kosovo, no one can help you with the answer.
The ascension talks are not so you can enter, it is so that you can reach the point to be voted on. Big difference. This is what he means by stating the obvious.
(a New Day, 13 September 2012 12:42)
And who is to decide how a specified country will vote?
It will be very difficult for Serbia to enter the EU even after they recognize Kosovo.
Serbs know it and they're bitter about it.
Hence the ridiculous comments by some of the people that comment on this forum.
(cry me a river, 13 September 2012 15:10)
Not true, a huge portion of Serbs both in Serbia and worldwide hope it definitely becomes too hard to ever enter this cancerous union. I can ensure you that many, many Serbs would not be bitter about not joining the European Union. Get real, you are clueless.
"It will be very difficult for Serbia to enter the EU even after they recognize Kosovo."
cry me a river
In that case, what's the motivation to recognize Kosovo as independent? If Serbia can't join then trust me Kosovo won't either. At least Serbia is recognized by ALL EU states, which can not be said about Kosovo.
Schultz makes absolutely no sense in his statements. He notes what is "obvious" and then notes "inconsistencies" among EU members. So the only thing obvious is inconsistency, not a requirement to recognize what not all EU members do not. But as I said yesterday, impose all you want. Recognition comes at a price and Kosovo* will have to make further concessions to get a Serbian recognition.
And who is to decide how a specified country will vote?
(aaayyy, 13 September 2012 16:00)
I did not realize that we had to cover the basics, but here goes. The nations of Europe are called democracies,they have elections every so often and elect people to represent them. These elected representatives form the government which then make decisions concerning all aspects of that country. So the elected government of each country will decide who what when where and how they will vote on not only Serbia but every other matter put before them.
Choice for Serbs - live in real world, or live in 1389 fiction.
Serbian solution: get money from West with false face, and stay in 1389 fiction with other face.
Dr Who: I think you will find that the man or woman on the streets of most EU capitals shares the view of "most Serbs". It is only the politicians who seem obsessed with Serbia (and others) joining the EU. Personally I would be giving serious consideration to reducing not increasing the number of members and going back to a system of trading blocs. It is very difficult to argue that Serbian membership of the EU, or Macedonian, Montenegrin, Bosnia etc would benefit either the country itself or existing members (apart from large amounts of Euros as bribes up front which will end up in the same pockets). At best it would burnish the credentials of the diplomats who have staked their dwindling reputations on bringing the Western Balkans into the fold.
I assume that you are in Britain, why don't the Brits demand a referendum on the EU??
I thought Britain was a democracy and yet the people had no say in something as important as deciding if they wanted in or not?? You are right of course that many Europeans don't wish to be dictated to by a handful of corrupt little upstart politicians. Why aren't the Brits up in arms about this issue??
What is it that you do not understand about most Serbs DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE BLOODY EU!!!
Did you get that dude!!
WE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE EU!!!!
Thank you and good bye.
(Dr.Who, 13 September 2012 15:58
If that is true, why is there even a discussion. You just went through elections you could have chosen someone who was not aggressive seeking EU admission. Apparently you are wrong or Serbs are not smart enough to make decisions. The EU is not putting a noose around your neck to drag you in.
No Serbia in the EU = No "Kosova"* in the EU.
(Zoran, 13 September 2012 14:48)
The only way to make sure that "Kosova"* does not become an EU member is for Serbia to join EU before "Kosova"*. Fortunately (for "Kosova"* that is) Serbs - at the least the ones who write on these forums - are not going to allow Serbia to become an EU member.
Dr Who: There are many in the UK who are "up in arms" about the issue but at present there are many others pushing the EU down the agenda. A recent poll found that Europe didn't make the top ten burning issues. Clearly once a country is in the EU it becomes less of a concern than for an aspirant country. The fact that we are not in the Euro probably kids people that we are somehow not affected by the ongoing fiasco. Yes, I am in Britain and believe it or not the sun is shining!
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