German official talks "Serbia recognizing Kosovo"

Has Serbia ever been compensated for the damages inflicted on Serbia people when Germany bombed Belgrade during WWII? I love the way Germans are acting so moral after they murdered 6 million Jews in WWII in ovens and gas chamgers that were purposefully organized for death. These muderers are now acting so moral. Typical.

Serbia just say no. This is just a generational phase by the West in which some of the key policy makers in NATO countries are these old psychopaths that have an obsession with Serbia allowing the holy province to be separated and legitimized. But what's clear is all these threats and posturing would indicate that Serbia's acceptance to this idea is vital and if so then Kosovo i Metohija is not officially separated from Serbia other than being temporarily occupied.

These lunatics only have the luxury to talk to such weak souls in Belgrade that will do anything to appease Western elites. But the truth is on our side. The KLA extracted organs, a Kosovo Albanian shot at Americans in a German airport, plenty more incidents involving radical Islamists trying to attack Americans, their military bases and embassies (from both Albanians and Bosnian Muslims) meanwhile there has not been such incidents of a Serb even trying to do such a thing.

These crazies in Western capitals are very old people. They tell Serbia not to 'reinterpret' history but that is exactly what needs to happen. I know that is not what these maniacs want to hear because at the end of their lives they would prefer to be at peace with the evil things they have done.

That is fine. No one should care what they have to say God will judge them individually. But Kosovo i Metohija matters more.

Germany will have to shut up. If Serbia ever recognizes Kosovo and joins the EU they will ultimately sell the collective soul of the population to the same forces we once said "Bolje rat nego pakt!"

For Germany, some attitudes from the second world war die hard. The arrogance and lack of shame for their behavior would not be ignored if it were any other country in the world. Supporting genocide deniers and neo-nazis in the 1990s already told us what we needed to know. Some were only acting for the last 50 years.

What is this guy talking about recognisng Kosovo to join the EU? What EU? You mean the one that the Chinese and Russians bailout? Like I said before governments repeat the same over and over sounding like a broken record until the policy is changed.
Let’s not fool ourselves Serbia no longer wants to join the EU at all so the Germans can Kosova all they like as it going into 13 years of stagnation of an ever increasing cesspit.

What is up with the new Serbian government representatives pulling out these things from EU politicians? The previous ones, Tadic and friends had it easier. First Dacic meets with Schultz and bang: "Serbia must recognize...no no, you heard me very well, it is not a mistake". Then Vucic goes to Berlin, and bang: "Serbia must recognize, we have not asked you to submit your map, but we may do that in the future". Waiting for the part where he says: "no, no you heard me very well".

It is up to Serbia if it accepts the imperialistic blackmails from Germany and the US. You Serbs may be angry with Germany, and this is okay. But one thing is clear: If Serbia obeys what the masters demand it is your own fault. No nation can force Serbia to accept this, unless the Serbian political class is ready to get blackmailed for instance the EU-membership. The membership in NATO will follow. You, the serbian people have to put pressure on your own government. Serbia has two big partners Russia and China, it means this is an alternatives. Take them for close cooperation or leave it. But both - EU-membership and keeping sovereignty over Kosovo and close cooperation with Russia and China - does not work. The EU is going to change a lot. The future EU will be different. First: The future EU will be weaker to the outside world. The west is no longer the superpower. The longer the time the weaker the west compared with the BRICS-States.
Second: Serbia, Croatia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Slovenia etc. are states which will be treated as colonies of Germany, France and England inside EU. Look at Greece. Do you believe really of a good live because of being member of the EU? You will be not the boss in your own house any more. Your industry is not able to compete with german industry. German products will flow the serban market. Serbs will loose their jobs because of this. Say stop to this suicide of Serbia.

I don't believe the EU will survive long enough for Serbia to start EU accession talks.

It is truely amazing that Germans, the people that have committed the worst crimes against humanity (jews) and than gave away someone elses land (palastine) to make up for their crimes have the audacity to expect another (serbs) to give up their land.

Another german talking nonsense.
Ling live russia and china for supporting serbia.
Serbia will have the last word to say to the matter.

EU(NATO)is not an solution for Serbia nor for Montenegro and Macedonia.Serbia will join Russia and will never ever recognize Kosovo and Metohija the colonial province occupied by the U.S for geopolitical interests.Every person in this world knows very well that Kosovo was always part of Serbia and after the battle of Kosovo in the 1389 Serbs of Kosovo had started by force to Islamized(Bosnianized)and Albanized by the Ottomans+Vatican like the Slavic-Greeks of Macedonia and Albania(Greek Epirus) that are today the Albanians,before the Ottoman occupation there has been no Albanian in the Balkans.A Serbia as a part of the EU means(an member of the NATO,not union of RS with Serbia,loss of Kosovo and Metohija,loss of national Sovereignty and also loss the brother state RUSSIA.
Long live SERBIA-RUSSIA,Kosovo is Serbia.

What ever happends Kosova will still not be an part of Serbia. So Serbia shoulden't think about Kosova when it decides to enter EU.

Kosova can devolep to a strong country without an UN seat or EU membership. This is since we have support from our neighbours, US and the strongest EU countrys. Serbia on the other hand will not have any support from the West if it refuse EU integration. We heard Vucic yesterday that Germany is the strongest partner of Serbia. Russia on the other hand can use you for it's geo-political interest but they cannot feed you since Russia cannot even feed it's own people. We can be honest and say that it is a poor country.

But Whatever Serbia "decides" to do, Kosova will still not be a part of Serbia. The people of Kosova Will never accept such a thing and Serbia is not in a position to force them !

So Serbia has no choice but to enter EU. This ofcourse without Kosova. Serb nationalists and radicals can dream and bark how much they want but they are powerless. Russia cannot help you if you think so :)

@Alexander S. Neu,

You are right.Greece even though in the middle of the crises has standard living better that Russia and China and all BRIC countries,let alone Slovenia and Austria who are several orders of magnitude above BRICS.

Look at Russian allies how r being treated and how they live.Compare to Western allies.Bulgaria is being treated from EU much better than Venezuela or Iran and Serbia from Russia.
But I agree with u.Serbia should join Russia,because we are starting to miss a little Venezuela or Noth Korea in Balkans.
Serbia can choose whetever they want as long as they dont attack Albanians and other neighbors.
In my opinion Serbia should choose Russia,but also EU should close the door for Srebia starting with reintroducing the visa regime and cut the loans.
We also need Serbia to choose Russia,because we need to show our children,how "good" is to be a Russian ally.

Hey Mirel, what is the standard of living in albania?

Walk Away!

who cares what this guy says nobody else does ...albanians were cought in lies and they said oh 95 countries including mars recognised kosovo but now the reality is 85...

This isn't about the Germans. As Slavs we are well aware of who we're dealing with, and have dealt with for over 2000 years. The Holocaust was no aberration; just another manifestation of the Teutonic (Anglo-Saxon included) cultural ethos. What this is about, is the Serbian peoples willingness to prostitute themselves, and for a mighty low price at that. Serbs should be grateful to the Germans for their honesty, something they haven't had form the politicians they elect. Do what you got to do, just know what you are doing.

(sj, 12 September 2012 15:03)
Its funny how Serbs in Malaysia have no clue what their govt is doing in Serbia. They sure are jumping though a lot of hoops not to want to join the EU.
And was it not you that said a couple of days ago that China was not crazy and that is why they are NOT bailing out the EU??
I guess it is hard to keep the stories straight when one does not base them on facts.

Here we go with another "Serbia must recognize a state not every EU member recognizes or will recognize" moment from some self absorbed German official. To be honest for Kosovo, it's actually worse for them if Serbia is made to recognize because that means further concessions will have to be given in order to entice Serbia's recognition. What could that be? In addition to full autonomy for the north, it could mean the recognition of "parallel institutions" within a unified Kosovo, special economic trading zones that bypass Pristina entirely, extension of SPC "historical zones" that eat up more of old city centers like Prizren and Djakovica, and maybe even the addition of more Serb municipalities with comprehensive degrees of self-management on top of what was already given in the Ahtisaari Plan. You know come to think of it, and knowing what was offered to us in the Ahtisaari Plan already, we might even get more out of Kosovo in actually recognizing whatever is left than in sticking to our current policies. We should be so lucky if we're given the ultimatum of recognition. We recognize Bosnia via Dayton and look what we can do with RS. Think what legal rights we could do with our "former" province if we're forced to "accept reality" :)

Nikolic should tell Ruprecht Polenz that Serbia will recognize Kosovo as an independent country when Germany hands Saarland over to France.

Like I said before on B92, Serbia should negotiate an agreement with the European Union similar to that which exists between Switzerland/Lichtenstein and the EU; Serbia should not join the EU.

No Serbia in the EU means no "Kosova"* in the EU. It is quite obvious that K*-Albanians have a greater desire to join the EU than Serbians so it looks like some kind of compromising will need to be made.

Nothing has really changed with Germany. We have seen it all before and their dream of controlling Europe will end in the same way.

(Same old Minds in Germany, 12 September 2012 15:22)

It is a bit ironic accusing Germany of genocide-denial. Especially when it comes by those that are masters of genocide-denial in the last 18 years.

This isn't about the Germans. As Slavs we are well aware of who we're dealing with, and have dealt with for over 2000 years. The Holocaust was no aberration; just another manifestation of the Teutonic (Anglo-Saxon included) cultural ethos. What this is about, is the Serbian peoples willingness to prostitute themselves, and for a mighty low price at that. Serbs should be grateful to the Germans for their honesty, something they haven't had form the politicians they elect. Do what you got to do, just know what you are doing.
(sergei, 12 September 2012 19:38)

I absolute agree with you my pravoslavic brother,Gorbachev should be hanged every day for giving permission for German unification,since 1990 Germans are again destabilizing and trying to conquer whole Europe,this time not by military but by economy!
The wolf may change its clothes but never his mind!
But in the end Serbia will prevail on this issue !
Russia should do everything to help dissolve and crash the Euro,with it Germanys and the Wests grip over Eastern Europe would be crashed!

I could see for example Bulgaria and Greece one day leaving the West and join a new military economic pact with Russia and Serbia !

...Hey Mirel, what is the standard of living in albania?
(Robert1899, 12 September 2012 19:37) ...

Several times better than China and Russia,or India and Brasil where Serbia will like to join.1m2 in Vlora = 10,000 euro.1 2+1 apartment in Tirana from 500-1500Euro m2.
The teachers salary is 350-600$/month and the pensions are somewhere 200-250/month.
This are some stastistics.If you have brain you can conclude that living standards in Albania itself are good,the emigrants are coming back and if the stability will continue in near future we'll be like Croatia.
Your watch has been still in 1991 or 1997.
No man the contry has been much better, with 3 milion tourists every year.Not bad for a country 2.8 milion.

The noose is tightening and yet, Serbs pretend there is no noose around their necks.

Serbian VP Aleksandar Vučić thanked Germany for helping Serbia
Vučić: Zahvalnost Nemačkoj
http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Politika/342446/Vucic-Zahvalnost-Nemackoj

I don't understand German stubbornness and arrogancy. Why couldn't they just admit Serbia including Kosovo to EU and don't pay much attantion to the status of central-Serbia - Kosovo* administrative border? Isn't it that simple?

By Germans are known for their ability of making trubles in Europe and other world.

It is a bit ironic accusing Germany of genocide-denial. Especially when it comes by those that are masters of genocide-denial in the last 18 years.
(palladium, 12 September 2012 18:22

Wow! I'm just speechless. Never forget. NEVER!

Why are we so fixated on joining the bankrupt Euro economy?? We (Serbia) do not need to be sucked down the black hole with all the others. Surely there is a better way forward - Serbia should turn its back on EU and the arrogance of Germany and co. It seems there is an endless cast of experts, mediators and diplomats (mianly from Northern Europe) who's primary role is to make life difficult for Serbia by imposing never-ending preconditions to join their stupid and bankrupt club. EU membership is way overated and Serbia continues to be humiliated on a daily basis by these clowns..and what for? Enough is enough.

I don't understand German stubbornness and arrogancy. Why couldn't they just admit Serbia including Kosovo to EU and don't pay much attantion to the status of central-Serbia - Kosovo* administrative border? Isn't it that simple?

By Germans are known for their ability of making trubles in Europe and other world.
(aaayyy, 12 September 2012 22:01)
You don’t understand that in the end of the day are the citizens of Kosova that decide not Germany, not Russia, not USA. Europe and USA are interested for stability in Balkan. They have searched all the combination and arrive in conclusion that an independent Kosova is the best option for balance and stability in Balkan. German has stopped making trouble since WWII. We hope that Serbs stop making trouble in Balkan and will be better for all, firstly for Serbs.

you germans are like the leopard, you never change your spots.

You are the same as you always were underneath and you are not fooling anybody.

We do not give a damn about your bloody corrupt EU so shove that where the sun doesn't shine.

This site actually mentions that he is Bosnian and the mosque is Bosnian.
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/terror-raids-across-melbourne/20120912-25sfw.html
Obviously these people came here as poor, innocent refugees who were fleeing Serbian terror.
Well, who is a terrorist now?

sj, 13 September 2012 00:06)
My fault, I did nto know these were imaginary trips to the EU that your officials have been burning up the Serb economy to finance.
There is not going to be much help the Eu can give Serbia once Vladmir gets through picking the bones. With new deals announced to turn over more assets to the Russians for little or no costs Serbia will lose what indiviual identity it has in the very near future.
The decision of whether Serbia joins the EU or not is pretty much Putins to make not the Serbian people, and if he decides he wants the inside track of the EU Serbia will give up whatever it takes to get in.
The economy in Serbia is behind where it was 2 years ago, so drop your powerhouse routine. Seriously how many jobs have been created in Serbia by all the industry rushing in.
The US steel company pulled out, it was operating at a loss but was able to continue to pay salaries. It turned all the assets over to the Serbian govt for $1 so that you could afford to make it profitable so what do you do turn around and give it to a Russian company for $1 so they can make the profits.
The sad thing is your family escaped the Serbia so you have a chance but you like so many others keep feeding the people left behind with false hopes that their future is by choosing totally the opposite track that you choose for yourself.

(Mirel from Albania, 12 September 2012 21:07)

I was in Albania about 8 months ago and not as a tourist and I can assure you that unless we are talking about an Albania on Mars then the picture you paint is a pure fabrication.

Firstly it is you that live in a pre GFC era of 2007 because real estate has not yet hit the bottom in many western countries, but due to some miracle its still 2005 in Albania. Go and ask the Turks how their apartment sales are going – don’t you research anything before posting??

I have NEVER seen people ploughing with oxen in Serbia, but in Albania its an everyday event. I have never seen cattle or horses used to pull carts in Serbia but in Albania it the norm.

Yes Albanian immigrants are coming back home but that because the EU is returning them by the boat load. If its so good why do the Albanian living in Kosovo leave to look for work in Serbia or the EU. Considering there are very little border controls between Kosovo and Albania you would think they would travel back home to look for work.

Yes tourism is only booming in Croatia and Albania. Why the Croats made 8 billion Euro this year alone and there are only 4.2 million Croats, you should not be hearing from their Prime Minister Zoran MIlanovic statements like “we cannot help our farmers who has lost crops due to the drought because we do not have any money”

the Germans know that they are not in the position to set conditions...

so there is very likely just another reason for this beating around the bush.

but, Germany has changed the switch when they decided to shut down their nuclear facilities. that means Russia´s importance for them is rising, constantly.

and just a few days ago the german chancellor Merkel visited China, and guess why... =)

do you know why I find you Albanians so amusing? you are blind, you are so obsessed with your illyrian nonsense-theories that you do not even realize how the world is changing around you - and all you are able to come up with is outdated theories of an alleged illyrian descent or your demographic fantasies....

Carl Sagan once wrote: " you cannot convince a believer; for their belief is not based on evidence, it´s based on a deep seated need to believe."

my dear k-albanian friends, this fits like a glove. and if you still haven´t got it - it applies to you.

On an unrelated note, I just had to share this with you all. A Bosnian Muslim was just arrested in Melbourne on terrorism matters. Funny, how the west defends these poor, innocent Muslims and they pay them back with plotting terrorism.
The best part of it that he was facing a Serbian Magistrate Jelena Popovic.
Have a read of this.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8531968/homegrown-terrorism-probe-continues
Priceless.

I don't understand German stubbornness and arrogancy. Why couldn't they just admit Serbia including Kosovo to EU and don't pay much attantion to the status of central-Serbia - Kosovo* administrative border? Isn't it that simple?

By Germans are known for their ability of making trubles in Europe and other world.
(aaayyy, 12 September 2012 22:01)
You don’t understand that in the end of the day are the citizens of Kosova that decide not Germany, not Russia, not USA. Europe and USA are interested for stability in Balkan. They have searched all the combination and arrive in conclusion that an independent Kosova is the best option for balance and stability in Balkan. German has stopped making trouble since WWII. We hope that Serbs stop making trouble in Balkan and will be better for all, firstly for Serbs.
(dori tirana, 13 September 2012 10:31)

But those people keep saying how the borders are not important any longer in the world, especially in Europe (they say it when they try to take territory from Serbia). Then the same very people make sacred caw out of Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo* borders.

Isn't independent RS much better option for Balkan stability, than Bosnia?

Isn't independent from Prishtina Northern Kosovo much better option for Balkan stability than Kosovo*?

Like I said before on B92, Serbia should negotiate an agreement with the European Union similar to that which exists between Switzerland/Lichtenstein and the EU; Serbia should not join the EU.
(Ryan M, 12 September 2012 19:23)

You mean the European Free Trade Association aka EFTA (Liechtenstein, Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland) which has an agreement with the EU? Well this Organisation recognises Kosovo, so Serbia is going to have to recongise Kosovo to join EFTA also. Too bad!

(pss, 12 September 2012 15:54)

Unfortunately it just shows how little Albanians know what is going on. Belgrade is not jumping through any hoops. In fact it the EU who keeps on coming out with “you have to recognise otherwise paradise will not arrive” . If the EU was so confident why keep on making these statements? So who sounds more desperate?
For the 20th time I’ll repeat it for you. Serbia will never join the EU as it has no interests in doing so because there are no benefits whatsoever. The EU is broke and contracting so what does it have to offer Serbia since it was being sold by Tadic as the money tree heavan?
Now pay attention very carefully to what I am about to write. The Chinese Government is fine with buying EU bonds, but little Angela Merkel went to Beijing asking for direct cash injections into the EU economy which is much like standing on top of a hill on a very windy day and throwing into the air $100 Euro notes.
There is a big difference between the two. My facts are spot on but you can keep deluding yourself all you like, but I ask you how many western industries have announced their relocation to Pristina?????????? NOT ONE.

(pss, 13 September 2012 12:33)
Yes of course my trips are imaginary as how can someone like you ever think that one can travel further than a pizza delivery employee. Yes the Russians are evil and nasty and the west is pure and good. That’s right the Russians are going to rape Serbia but the west would never do that because of their goodness and niceness. And Russia will enslave the Serbs while the west would bring freedom and happiness. Now that you have you injection of BS let’s look at reality.
US Steel is a typical US vulture who thought it could get an asset cheap then break it up and dispose of it making huge profit and walking away, but those dumb arses were dealing with Serbs not Albanians who would trade their shirts for a few magic beans. I’d rather burn everything to the ground than give as tooth pick to the west so you can understand how I feel about your friends.
With Fiat opening its doors in Kragujevac there have been numerous numbers of Albania’s from Kosovo turning up looking for work but only to be buses back to the heaven known as Kosovo where wok is a plenty and life is great and we have Albanians like you on Serbian websites telling us all how marvelous things are in Pristina and how much richer you guys are than the average Serb. Ask the Slovenes how they feel with Gorenje reloctoing to Serbia – how many western companies have done the same and moved to Kosova?????

Amazing what kind of echo every more or less important German politician gets when talking about his personal opinion regarding Kosovo...
(Comm. Parrisson, 13 September 2012 14:20)

EU is mostly German business (the 4th Reich, backed by the US and GB this time), and Germany is in the position to impose ANY conditions on Serbia over its EU entering. Do you remember how all EU countries were for Serbia's getting EU candidate status, except Germany, and it resulted in not getting EU status by Serbia in December. Serbia got the status only after its authorities secretly from Kosovo Serbs negotiated several things (lisence plates among them)

Zoran, 12 September 2012 21:43)
It is amazing how Serbs think that the EU will just drop anything to do with Kosovo if it does not get Serbia. If Serbia were the premier goal as you think do you not think that there would be a movement to make you totally happy and drop the recognition of Kosovo?
You hang onto the 5 that do not recognize Kosovo to prevent this. But there has really been no pressure for them to do so. If it looks like Serbia is to become a Russian island in the middle of the EU do you not think that efforts will be maximized to quikly admit the rest of the balkans including Kosovo?
The hope is to bring Serbia in and then Kosovo as all objections will be dropped. This is the best way, but there are others. So start backpeddling and see how relations change.

Amazing what kind of echo every more or less important German politician gets when talking about his personal opinion regarding Kosovo...

Serbia just say no. This is just a generational phase by the West in which some of the key policy makers in NATO countries are these old psychopaths that have an obsession with Serbia allowing the holy province to be separated and legitimized. But what's clear is all these threats and posturing would indicate that Serbia's acceptance to this idea is vital and if so then Kosovo i Metohija is not officially separated from Serbia other than being temporarily occupied.

These lunatics only have the luxury to talk to such weak souls in Belgrade that will do anything to appease Western elites. But the truth is on our side. The KLA extracted organs, a Kosovo Albanian shot at Americans in a German airport, plenty more incidents involving radical Islamists trying to attack Americans, their military bases and embassies (from both Albanians and Bosnian Muslims) meanwhile there has not been such incidents of a Serb even trying to do such a thing.

These crazies in Western capitals are very old people. They tell Serbia not to 'reinterpret' history but that is exactly what needs to happen. I know that is not what these maniacs want to hear because at the end of their lives they would prefer to be at peace with the evil things they have done.

That is fine. No one should care what they have to say God will judge them individually. But Kosovo i Metohija matters more.

Has Serbia ever been compensated for the damages inflicted on Serbia people when Germany bombed Belgrade during WWII? I love the way Germans are acting so moral after they murdered 6 million Jews in WWII in ovens and gas chamgers that were purposefully organized for death. These muderers are now acting so moral. Typical.

What ever happends Kosova will still not be an part of Serbia. So Serbia shoulden't think about Kosova when it decides to enter EU.

Kosova can devolep to a strong country without an UN seat or EU membership. This is since we have support from our neighbours, US and the strongest EU countrys. Serbia on the other hand will not have any support from the West if it refuse EU integration. We heard Vucic yesterday that Germany is the strongest partner of Serbia. Russia on the other hand can use you for it's geo-political interest but they cannot feed you since Russia cannot even feed it's own people. We can be honest and say that it is a poor country.

But Whatever Serbia "decides" to do, Kosova will still not be a part of Serbia. The people of Kosova Will never accept such a thing and Serbia is not in a position to force them !

So Serbia has no choice but to enter EU. This ofcourse without Kosova. Serb nationalists and radicals can dream and bark how much they want but they are powerless. Russia cannot help you if you think so :)

What is this guy talking about recognisng Kosovo to join the EU? What EU? You mean the one that the Chinese and Russians bailout? Like I said before governments repeat the same over and over sounding like a broken record until the policy is changed.
Let’s not fool ourselves Serbia no longer wants to join the EU at all so the Germans can Kosova all they like as it going into 13 years of stagnation of an ever increasing cesspit.

Germany will have to shut up. If Serbia ever recognizes Kosovo and joins the EU they will ultimately sell the collective soul of the population to the same forces we once said "Bolje rat nego pakt!"

For Germany, some attitudes from the second world war die hard. The arrogance and lack of shame for their behavior would not be ignored if it were any other country in the world. Supporting genocide deniers and neo-nazis in the 1990s already told us what we needed to know. Some were only acting for the last 50 years.

@Alexander S. Neu,

You are right.Greece even though in the middle of the crises has standard living better that Russia and China and all BRIC countries,let alone Slovenia and Austria who are several orders of magnitude above BRICS.

Look at Russian allies how r being treated and how they live.Compare to Western allies.Bulgaria is being treated from EU much better than Venezuela or Iran and Serbia from Russia.
But I agree with u.Serbia should join Russia,because we are starting to miss a little Venezuela or Noth Korea in Balkans.
Serbia can choose whetever they want as long as they dont attack Albanians and other neighbors.
In my opinion Serbia should choose Russia,but also EU should close the door for Srebia starting with reintroducing the visa regime and cut the loans.
We also need Serbia to choose Russia,because we need to show our children,how "good" is to be a Russian ally.

The noose is tightening and yet, Serbs pretend there is no noose around their necks.

Walk Away!

It is up to Serbia if it accepts the imperialistic blackmails from Germany and the US. You Serbs may be angry with Germany, and this is okay. But one thing is clear: If Serbia obeys what the masters demand it is your own fault. No nation can force Serbia to accept this, unless the Serbian political class is ready to get blackmailed for instance the EU-membership. The membership in NATO will follow. You, the serbian people have to put pressure on your own government. Serbia has two big partners Russia and China, it means this is an alternatives. Take them for close cooperation or leave it. But both - EU-membership and keeping sovereignty over Kosovo and close cooperation with Russia and China - does not work. The EU is going to change a lot. The future EU will be different. First: The future EU will be weaker to the outside world. The west is no longer the superpower. The longer the time the weaker the west compared with the BRICS-States.
Second: Serbia, Croatia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Slovenia etc. are states which will be treated as colonies of Germany, France and England inside EU. Look at Greece. Do you believe really of a good live because of being member of the EU? You will be not the boss in your own house any more. Your industry is not able to compete with german industry. German products will flow the serban market. Serbs will loose their jobs because of this. Say stop to this suicide of Serbia.

It is truely amazing that Germans, the people that have committed the worst crimes against humanity (jews) and than gave away someone elses land (palastine) to make up for their crimes have the audacity to expect another (serbs) to give up their land.

who cares what this guy says nobody else does ...albanians were cought in lies and they said oh 95 countries including mars recognised kosovo but now the reality is 85...

Here we go with another "Serbia must recognize a state not every EU member recognizes or will recognize" moment from some self absorbed German official. To be honest for Kosovo, it's actually worse for them if Serbia is made to recognize because that means further concessions will have to be given in order to entice Serbia's recognition. What could that be? In addition to full autonomy for the north, it could mean the recognition of "parallel institutions" within a unified Kosovo, special economic trading zones that bypass Pristina entirely, extension of SPC "historical zones" that eat up more of old city centers like Prizren and Djakovica, and maybe even the addition of more Serb municipalities with comprehensive degrees of self-management on top of what was already given in the Ahtisaari Plan. You know come to think of it, and knowing what was offered to us in the Ahtisaari Plan already, we might even get more out of Kosovo in actually recognizing whatever is left than in sticking to our current policies. We should be so lucky if we're given the ultimatum of recognition. We recognize Bosnia via Dayton and look what we can do with RS. Think what legal rights we could do with our "former" province if we're forced to "accept reality" :)

(Same old Minds in Germany, 12 September 2012 15:22)

It is a bit ironic accusing Germany of genocide-denial. Especially when it comes by those that are masters of genocide-denial in the last 18 years.

(sj, 12 September 2012 15:03)
Its funny how Serbs in Malaysia have no clue what their govt is doing in Serbia. They sure are jumping though a lot of hoops not to want to join the EU.
And was it not you that said a couple of days ago that China was not crazy and that is why they are NOT bailing out the EU??
I guess it is hard to keep the stories straight when one does not base them on facts.

This isn't about the Germans. As Slavs we are well aware of who we're dealing with, and have dealt with for over 2000 years. The Holocaust was no aberration; just another manifestation of the Teutonic (Anglo-Saxon included) cultural ethos. What this is about, is the Serbian peoples willingness to prostitute themselves, and for a mighty low price at that. Serbs should be grateful to the Germans for their honesty, something they haven't had form the politicians they elect. Do what you got to do, just know what you are doing.
(sergei, 12 September 2012 19:38)

I absolute agree with you my pravoslavic brother,Gorbachev should be hanged every day for giving permission for German unification,since 1990 Germans are again destabilizing and trying to conquer whole Europe,this time not by military but by economy!
The wolf may change its clothes but never his mind!
But in the end Serbia will prevail on this issue !
Russia should do everything to help dissolve and crash the Euro,with it Germanys and the Wests grip over Eastern Europe would be crashed!

I could see for example Bulgaria and Greece one day leaving the West and join a new military economic pact with Russia and Serbia !

Serbian VP Aleksandar Vučić thanked Germany for helping Serbia
Vučić: Zahvalnost Nemačkoj
http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Politika/342446/Vucic-Zahvalnost-Nemackoj

Hey Mirel, what is the standard of living in albania?

No Serbia in the EU means no "Kosova"* in the EU. It is quite obvious that K*-Albanians have a greater desire to join the EU than Serbians so it looks like some kind of compromising will need to be made.

Nothing has really changed with Germany. We have seen it all before and their dream of controlling Europe will end in the same way.

What is up with the new Serbian government representatives pulling out these things from EU politicians? The previous ones, Tadic and friends had it easier. First Dacic meets with Schultz and bang: "Serbia must recognize...no no, you heard me very well, it is not a mistake". Then Vucic goes to Berlin, and bang: "Serbia must recognize, we have not asked you to submit your map, but we may do that in the future". Waiting for the part where he says: "no, no you heard me very well".

I don't believe the EU will survive long enough for Serbia to start EU accession talks.

...Hey Mirel, what is the standard of living in albania?
(Robert1899, 12 September 2012 19:37) ...

Several times better than China and Russia,or India and Brasil where Serbia will like to join.1m2 in Vlora = 10,000 euro.1 2+1 apartment in Tirana from 500-1500Euro m2.
The teachers salary is 350-600$/month and the pensions are somewhere 200-250/month.
This are some stastistics.If you have brain you can conclude that living standards in Albania itself are good,the emigrants are coming back and if the stability will continue in near future we'll be like Croatia.
Your watch has been still in 1991 or 1997.
No man the contry has been much better, with 3 milion tourists every year.Not bad for a country 2.8 milion.

Another german talking nonsense.
Ling live russia and china for supporting serbia.
Serbia will have the last word to say to the matter.

I don't understand German stubbornness and arrogancy. Why couldn't they just admit Serbia including Kosovo to EU and don't pay much attantion to the status of central-Serbia - Kosovo* administrative border? Isn't it that simple?

By Germans are known for their ability of making trubles in Europe and other world.

EU(NATO)is not an solution for Serbia nor for Montenegro and Macedonia.Serbia will join Russia and will never ever recognize Kosovo and Metohija the colonial province occupied by the U.S for geopolitical interests.Every person in this world knows very well that Kosovo was always part of Serbia and after the battle of Kosovo in the 1389 Serbs of Kosovo had started by force to Islamized(Bosnianized)and Albanized by the Ottomans+Vatican like the Slavic-Greeks of Macedonia and Albania(Greek Epirus) that are today the Albanians,before the Ottoman occupation there has been no Albanian in the Balkans.A Serbia as a part of the EU means(an member of the NATO,not union of RS with Serbia,loss of Kosovo and Metohija,loss of national Sovereignty and also loss the brother state RUSSIA.
Long live SERBIA-RUSSIA,Kosovo is Serbia.

Nikolic should tell Ruprecht Polenz that Serbia will recognize Kosovo as an independent country when Germany hands Saarland over to France.

Like I said before on B92, Serbia should negotiate an agreement with the European Union similar to that which exists between Switzerland/Lichtenstein and the EU; Serbia should not join the EU.

This isn't about the Germans. As Slavs we are well aware of who we're dealing with, and have dealt with for over 2000 years. The Holocaust was no aberration; just another manifestation of the Teutonic (Anglo-Saxon included) cultural ethos. What this is about, is the Serbian peoples willingness to prostitute themselves, and for a mighty low price at that. Serbs should be grateful to the Germans for their honesty, something they haven't had form the politicians they elect. Do what you got to do, just know what you are doing.

It is a bit ironic accusing Germany of genocide-denial. Especially when it comes by those that are masters of genocide-denial in the last 18 years.
(palladium, 12 September 2012 18:22

Wow! I'm just speechless. Never forget. NEVER!

I don't understand German stubbornness and arrogancy. Why couldn't they just admit Serbia including Kosovo to EU and don't pay much attantion to the status of central-Serbia - Kosovo* administrative border? Isn't it that simple?

By Germans are known for their ability of making trubles in Europe and other world.
(aaayyy, 12 September 2012 22:01)
You don’t understand that in the end of the day are the citizens of Kosova that decide not Germany, not Russia, not USA. Europe and USA are interested for stability in Balkan. They have searched all the combination and arrive in conclusion that an independent Kosova is the best option for balance and stability in Balkan. German has stopped making trouble since WWII. We hope that Serbs stop making trouble in Balkan and will be better for all, firstly for Serbs.

(Mirel from Albania, 12 September 2012 21:07)

I was in Albania about 8 months ago and not as a tourist and I can assure you that unless we are talking about an Albania on Mars then the picture you paint is a pure fabrication.

Firstly it is you that live in a pre GFC era of 2007 because real estate has not yet hit the bottom in many western countries, but due to some miracle its still 2005 in Albania. Go and ask the Turks how their apartment sales are going – don’t you research anything before posting??

I have NEVER seen people ploughing with oxen in Serbia, but in Albania its an everyday event. I have never seen cattle or horses used to pull carts in Serbia but in Albania it the norm.

Yes Albanian immigrants are coming back home but that because the EU is returning them by the boat load. If its so good why do the Albanian living in Kosovo leave to look for work in Serbia or the EU. Considering there are very little border controls between Kosovo and Albania you would think they would travel back home to look for work.

Yes tourism is only booming in Croatia and Albania. Why the Croats made 8 billion Euro this year alone and there are only 4.2 million Croats, you should not be hearing from their Prime Minister Zoran MIlanovic statements like “we cannot help our farmers who has lost crops due to the drought because we do not have any money”

This site actually mentions that he is Bosnian and the mosque is Bosnian.
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/terror-raids-across-melbourne/20120912-25sfw.html
Obviously these people came here as poor, innocent refugees who were fleeing Serbian terror.
Well, who is a terrorist now?

Amazing what kind of echo every more or less important German politician gets when talking about his personal opinion regarding Kosovo...
(Comm. Parrisson, 13 September 2012 14:20)

EU is mostly German business (the 4th Reich, backed by the US and GB this time), and Germany is in the position to impose ANY conditions on Serbia over its EU entering. Do you remember how all EU countries were for Serbia's getting EU candidate status, except Germany, and it resulted in not getting EU status by Serbia in December. Serbia got the status only after its authorities secretly from Kosovo Serbs negotiated several things (lisence plates among them)

the Germans know that they are not in the position to set conditions...

so there is very likely just another reason for this beating around the bush.

but, Germany has changed the switch when they decided to shut down their nuclear facilities. that means Russia´s importance for them is rising, constantly.

and just a few days ago the german chancellor Merkel visited China, and guess why... =)

do you know why I find you Albanians so amusing? you are blind, you are so obsessed with your illyrian nonsense-theories that you do not even realize how the world is changing around you - and all you are able to come up with is outdated theories of an alleged illyrian descent or your demographic fantasies....

Carl Sagan once wrote: " you cannot convince a believer; for their belief is not based on evidence, it´s based on a deep seated need to believe."

my dear k-albanian friends, this fits like a glove. and if you still haven´t got it - it applies to you.

Zoran, 12 September 2012 21:43)
It is amazing how Serbs think that the EU will just drop anything to do with Kosovo if it does not get Serbia. If Serbia were the premier goal as you think do you not think that there would be a movement to make you totally happy and drop the recognition of Kosovo?
You hang onto the 5 that do not recognize Kosovo to prevent this. But there has really been no pressure for them to do so. If it looks like Serbia is to become a Russian island in the middle of the EU do you not think that efforts will be maximized to quikly admit the rest of the balkans including Kosovo?
The hope is to bring Serbia in and then Kosovo as all objections will be dropped. This is the best way, but there are others. So start backpeddling and see how relations change.

On an unrelated note, I just had to share this with you all. A Bosnian Muslim was just arrested in Melbourne on terrorism matters. Funny, how the west defends these poor, innocent Muslims and they pay them back with plotting terrorism.
The best part of it that he was facing a Serbian Magistrate Jelena Popovic.
Have a read of this.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8531968/homegrown-terrorism-probe-continues
Priceless.

Like I said before on B92, Serbia should negotiate an agreement with the European Union similar to that which exists between Switzerland/Lichtenstein and the EU; Serbia should not join the EU.
(Ryan M, 12 September 2012 19:23)

You mean the European Free Trade Association aka EFTA (Liechtenstein, Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland) which has an agreement with the EU? Well this Organisation recognises Kosovo, so Serbia is going to have to recongise Kosovo to join EFTA also. Too bad!

sj, 13 September 2012 00:06)
My fault, I did nto know these were imaginary trips to the EU that your officials have been burning up the Serb economy to finance.
There is not going to be much help the Eu can give Serbia once Vladmir gets through picking the bones. With new deals announced to turn over more assets to the Russians for little or no costs Serbia will lose what indiviual identity it has in the very near future.
The decision of whether Serbia joins the EU or not is pretty much Putins to make not the Serbian people, and if he decides he wants the inside track of the EU Serbia will give up whatever it takes to get in.
The economy in Serbia is behind where it was 2 years ago, so drop your powerhouse routine. Seriously how many jobs have been created in Serbia by all the industry rushing in.
The US steel company pulled out, it was operating at a loss but was able to continue to pay salaries. It turned all the assets over to the Serbian govt for $1 so that you could afford to make it profitable so what do you do turn around and give it to a Russian company for $1 so they can make the profits.
The sad thing is your family escaped the Serbia so you have a chance but you like so many others keep feeding the people left behind with false hopes that their future is by choosing totally the opposite track that you choose for yourself.

Amazing what kind of echo every more or less important German politician gets when talking about his personal opinion regarding Kosovo...

(pss, 13 September 2012 12:33)
Yes of course my trips are imaginary as how can someone like you ever think that one can travel further than a pizza delivery employee. Yes the Russians are evil and nasty and the west is pure and good. That’s right the Russians are going to rape Serbia but the west would never do that because of their goodness and niceness. And Russia will enslave the Serbs while the west would bring freedom and happiness. Now that you have you injection of BS let’s look at reality.
US Steel is a typical US vulture who thought it could get an asset cheap then break it up and dispose of it making huge profit and walking away, but those dumb arses were dealing with Serbs not Albanians who would trade their shirts for a few magic beans. I’d rather burn everything to the ground than give as tooth pick to the west so you can understand how I feel about your friends.
With Fiat opening its doors in Kragujevac there have been numerous numbers of Albania’s from Kosovo turning up looking for work but only to be buses back to the heaven known as Kosovo where wok is a plenty and life is great and we have Albanians like you on Serbian websites telling us all how marvelous things are in Pristina and how much richer you guys are than the average Serb. Ask the Slovenes how they feel with Gorenje reloctoing to Serbia – how many western companies have done the same and moved to Kosova?????

(pss, 12 September 2012 15:54)

Unfortunately it just shows how little Albanians know what is going on. Belgrade is not jumping through any hoops. In fact it the EU who keeps on coming out with “you have to recognise otherwise paradise will not arrive” . If the EU was so confident why keep on making these statements? So who sounds more desperate?
For the 20th time I’ll repeat it for you. Serbia will never join the EU as it has no interests in doing so because there are no benefits whatsoever. The EU is broke and contracting so what does it have to offer Serbia since it was being sold by Tadic as the money tree heavan?
Now pay attention very carefully to what I am about to write. The Chinese Government is fine with buying EU bonds, but little Angela Merkel went to Beijing asking for direct cash injections into the EU economy which is much like standing on top of a hill on a very windy day and throwing into the air $100 Euro notes.
There is a big difference between the two. My facts are spot on but you can keep deluding yourself all you like, but I ask you how many western industries have announced their relocation to Pristina?????????? NOT ONE.

Why are we so fixated on joining the bankrupt Euro economy?? We (Serbia) do not need to be sucked down the black hole with all the others. Surely there is a better way forward - Serbia should turn its back on EU and the arrogance of Germany and co. It seems there is an endless cast of experts, mediators and diplomats (mianly from Northern Europe) who's primary role is to make life difficult for Serbia by imposing never-ending preconditions to join their stupid and bankrupt club. EU membership is way overated and Serbia continues to be humiliated on a daily basis by these clowns..and what for? Enough is enough.

you germans are like the leopard, you never change your spots.

You are the same as you always were underneath and you are not fooling anybody.

We do not give a damn about your bloody corrupt EU so shove that where the sun doesn't shine.

I don't understand German stubbornness and arrogancy. Why couldn't they just admit Serbia including Kosovo to EU and don't pay much attantion to the status of central-Serbia - Kosovo* administrative border? Isn't it that simple?

By Germans are known for their ability of making trubles in Europe and other world.
(aaayyy, 12 September 2012 22:01)
You don’t understand that in the end of the day are the citizens of Kosova that decide not Germany, not Russia, not USA. Europe and USA are interested for stability in Balkan. They have searched all the combination and arrive in conclusion that an independent Kosova is the best option for balance and stability in Balkan. German has stopped making trouble since WWII. We hope that Serbs stop making trouble in Balkan and will be better for all, firstly for Serbs.
(dori tirana, 13 September 2012 10:31)

But those people keep saying how the borders are not important any longer in the world, especially in Europe (they say it when they try to take territory from Serbia). Then the same very people make sacred caw out of Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo* borders.

Isn't independent RS much better option for Balkan stability, than Bosnia?

Isn't independent from Prishtina Northern Kosovo much better option for Balkan stability than Kosovo*?