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Tuesday, 11.09.2012.

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Ex-KLA describes role in Kosovo human organ trafficking

The footage showing a protected witness recounting his role in the illegal harvesting and trafficking of human organs in Kosovo and Albania has been aired.

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Bulgar of Ohrid

pre 11 godina

This is obviously a touchy subject for the Albanians judging by the number of comments.. I think the Albanians are living in a collective denial. Why are they suprised?

If you look at all the atrocities and barbaric methods in the 90's used by the Albanians in order to gain independance, why is it so difficult to believe that Albanians harvested Human Organs?

Ask Roland Keith, a field office director of the OSCE's Kosovo during the 90s, or ask the U.S. Committee for Refugees

“ Kosovo Liberation Army...attacks aimed at trying to 'cleanse' Kosovo of its ethnic Serb population. ”


Is it really that unbelievable>? why dont you ask the following people

- The Miners of Belaćevac
- The children at the Panda bar Pec
- Lake Radonjić victims

- Podujevo bus bombing victims


Sure sure.. lets here the excuses.. even 13 years after the war in Kosovo, the Albanians are still up to there old tricks of ethnic cleansing.. even in macedonia

- Smilkovci lake killings

Come on people.. lets keep it real.. look at the above logically and then ask yourself if organ harvesting is beyond teh rhelms of the albanian.

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bub

pre 11 godina

ben, i wonder what level of pristine conditions one might expect in a mobile army hospital, and what level of advanced equipement one might find in such a canvas tent. further i wonder how many injured soldiers who required very invasive surguries survived these horribly filthy conditions.
i would suspect that these mobile hospitals are far less than pristine that they should be, but better than an acceptable minimum.
it is possible, though unlikely, yet we've seen many unlikely events without our own lives to preclude the ability to outright deny the possibility.

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ben

pre 11 godina

sometimes it can be done in far-less-than-ideal circumstances. perhaps this is one of those times.
(bub, 12 September 2012 22:53)

bub this is NOT that case. Simply the standards MUST be the highest.

If not the organ will be contaminated and non transplantable - unsealable if you wish. This story doesn't hold the scrutiny of a 10 year old child. Serbia one more time is making a joke out of her self.

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Nikolle

pre 11 godina

forget carla, dr marty has evidence apparently. he has been challenged on numerous occasions to hand it over, hasn't done in two years. also if i remember correctly, wasn't it one of carla's people who destroyed the evidence? its ok, you hang on to this witness who was afraid of a scalple

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Peggy

pre 11 godina

as for the allegation itself, 2 years into it, nothing been handed in. not a victim named, no forensic evidence ever found, nothing. but you keep on to this so called witness
(Nikolle, 12 September 2012 11:06)
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Much was handed in but destroyed. Don't you believe Carla?
You were happy to believe her when she was saying bad things about Serbs weren't you?
Don't worry too much. We will all see what evidence is left.

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justhetruth

pre 11 godina

people really believing this BS....wake up this is a another 20 year back in the future for serbian nation and all ballkan people ..they just need your vote so they can steal even your paints also...tell me something anyone ,where are you guys right npw comparing to your neighbours i believe in deep poverty..so anyway good luck with cindorela story's

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bub

pre 11 godina

though the crdibility of this tale is questionable, as are most very outrageous true and false stories. however the denying this tale because such actions are normally done in pristine environments and highly skilled professionals is not quit a fair assesment. certainly ideal conditions are ideal, for a reason. let us consider the massive number of chemical drug manufactures who work in their garages, making toxic and explosive stuff in not so pristine environments, and not so skilled makers. these farm boys are able to create a chemical that should only be made in a proper lab, and millionaires are willing to purchase the stuff made by these farm boys.
sometimes the task isn't as strenuous as it seems, and sometimes it can be done in far-less-than-ideal circumstances. perhaps this is one of those times.

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Nikolle

pre 11 godina

ecoman

yes, except, in Racak we actually had the dead bodies. in here, we have dubious testimony and Mart's refusal to submit his so called evidence. i didn't know organ removal was such an easy thing. it was even done on a human who hadn't been anesthetized. so how did they stop the human from moving about, did they tie him? or were 4 people holding each of his arms and legs? seriously this testimony is too far fetched.
as for the allegation itself, 2 years into it, nothing been handed in. not a victim named, no forensic evidence ever found, nothing. but you keep on to this so called witness

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Unbelievable

pre 11 godina

. All they needed to do is to take the organ out and pass it on to a criminal doctor present at the time, something that every hunter and butcher can do (technically, morally, it takes a specially depraved kind of person, something you have in abundance within KLA).

Stop lying already, nobody but your fellow criminals believes you anymore.
(NATO observer, 12 September 2012 04:23)
You only show ignorance with such a statement. do you for one minute believe that someone who can afford to pay 100,000 for a heart and the cost of the surgery plus recovery, is going to say hey go get some farmboy to go out and cut a heart out of someone and I will give you the money. And you are wrong every hunter and butcher may be able to cut out a heart but to have that heart transplantable is another story. And yes ONLY skilled surgeons are used to retrieve organs and it does take training, which one cannot get by practicing on plastic dummies.

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think about it

pre 11 godina

Vuksam, 12 September 2012 06:48)
Since you are only after the truth and not Albanian against Serb and vice versa, do you not think that Serbs have closed their eyes to the crimes their people have committed against Albanians? Do you not see that is exactly what you are doing?

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Nikolle

pre 11 godina

if anyone takes this testimony seriously then more fool them. a guy, who felt sick by the sight of a scalpel was deemed fit enough to carry out an organ removal. whoever wrote this script, clearly lacks elementary knowledge of medicine. here's me betting that nothing will com e of it all (2 years in Dick Marty's report, still no evidence found)

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Momcilo

pre 11 godina

I dont want to hear it from you albos on here about credibility. It is well known worldwide, that albanian mobs are leaders in drug smuggling, organ harvesting, trafficking etc. It doesn't take a genius to do some research on that. The fact that Carla Del Pont had zero to gain, only to lose by making those comments, touched on these issues in her book. And even questioned why the UN investigation files were destroyed, says that this definitely holds water. Sounds like the UN at the time was piecing together this evidence. And the interests of the world were at stake. What i mean is that deals were already made..regarding the territory, and this coming out might have put a significant end to all of that. Even the average person would say that its crazy to side with a bunch of thugs, and mafia members. The media had already created "its" image of Serbia worldwide..the propaganda machine was well oiled already..and there was no turning back. Bottom line is that it indeed happened, was investigated, and there are people that know much more about this. And when it comes to the forefront..thaci, haradanj..and many others will stand to pay. And this so called "fake declaration of a country" will show its true colors worldwide. If any of you albos actually think this issue is over, and that independance is irreversible..you are grossly kidding yourself, or you dont know much about Serbian people period.

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Vuksam

pre 11 godina

It's not Albanian word against Serbian, nor Serbian against Albanian. If this happened anywhere in the world it should always be TRUTH against the CRIME. And I will always be on the side of truth. So, do not speak something what you don't know. When the time comes, justice will prevail. But the facts are that Albanians close their eyes on the sins of their people, but widely opens them against the Serbs. It lasts from 19 century, and it will never stop. But let me tell you something about the Serbs. There is no country, nor beasts who can destroy Serbian spirit. You stole our hearts, kidneys for money, just because your people wasn't human enough to have their own!

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Charlotte

pre 11 godina

Finally the truth comes out. So sick of America & NATO hiding the truth about Kosovo for their own agenda. You can't hide what happened forever. Glad the "angel kosovar" albanians are being shown in a different, realistic light. They committed more atrocities and crimes against Serbs and Roma. I know Serbs that lived in Kosovo, and had to leave because the Albanian pigs kicked them out & or killed their neighbors, that is the Kosovo I know. What goes around comes around.

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Toma

pre 11 godina

Why is the health care costs so high in the USA? They say the costs are too high. I don't know what they are talking about. You can take any young Albanian. Train him in a couple hours without really telling him what your training him to do and POOF. Easy medical care.

I don't know if anyone ever cut a chickens head off but it's not that easy to do a clean cut. I can't imagine how a professional Albanian soldier (lol) can do it no problem. Especially with shaky hands and a wide awake struggling patient.

If this is true though, all involved should be removed from this earth.

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NATO being observed

pre 11 godina

How do you think organs are collected in road traffic accidents? Besides, Ponte and Marty have uncovered that many harvestings were simply done on Serbian prisoners and with no view to actually selling them for use in humans (practice, research etc were also reasons for selling the organs).

As far as the procedure described, this was done under direct guidance of the surgeon, by a person with rudimentary knowledge of the organ removal procedure. Any butcher knows how to remove an organ cleanly, and that was all that was needed. Also, note that the skin was cut with the scalpel, NOT ribs. And after all that, read the reports by Dick Marty and Karla de Ponte, who knew and reported on this years ago.
(NATO observer, 11 September 2012 18:44)
And how do you think organs are removed from victims at traffic accidents????
You attempts to clean up the story are futile, the cat is out of the bag
I know you Serbs WANT to believe it but I cannot conceive of anyone that could really believe it. Your best bet is to keep searching and do not embarass yourselves by parading this guy around.
I too believe that we will soon learn of his mysterious death, that is the only salvation Serbia can manage from this.

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NATO observer

pre 11 godina

To all albanian commentators - stop pretending that you misheard - nobody was trained to be an expert surgeon. Your own criminals were trained to butcher organs out of the bodies, extraction, NOT transplantation. All they needed to do is to take the organ out and pass it on to a criminal doctor present at the time, something that every hunter and butcher can do (technically, morally, it takes a specially depraved kind of person, something you have in abundance within KLA).

Stop lying already, nobody but your fellow criminals believes you anymore.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

Dardan, there are many Youtube videos that dispute William Walkers claim as to what happened in Racak. Many claim it was a hoax. Who are we to believe? In any case, what does Racak have to do with the KLA's alleged organ-harvesting before, during, and after the civil war? Watch a German documentary, yes German, on Youtube called "It started with a lie", it will enlighten you beyond belief.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

if we find that any of these allegations hold water, i personally promise to broadcast them, far and wide. and that i mean. Frisco
Excuse me, but who the hell are you? Are you a known media figure? I have never heard of anyone named Frisco in American media. So please, tame it down a bit, and pull back a bit on the self-importance. No one is afraid of you, whoever you may be.
It is great to see that you are an unbiased news person, if that is what you truly are? Nothing like going into a topic with a closed mind, and a pre-determined outcome in your mind. You are the joke, pal.

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Dardan

pre 11 godina

Shame for Serbia to say things like this they killed Womans children in Bosnia Croatia Kosovo and they dont stop to consider their self victim this people can survive only if they lie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHiobt0afwM Think about this still people re missing in Kosovo with my eye i saw 6 womans killed by knife shame shamee for this people wake up world ....

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Steve B.

pre 11 godina

I'm glad this man's guilt caught up with him. This is truly a sick crime mob that carried this out. Just as sick as the Alb comments posted on here. Stop living in denial. Your mob is just sick.

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Demi

pre 11 godina

Still LOL!!!! This story is so funny I have read it four times.... I guess we don't need doctors to transplant organs anymore. Only a young kid with an scalpel :)


The Serbian prosecutor is making a fool of him self. 100 % sure that even serbs belive this story is funny and made up.

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Eugene

pre 11 godina

" He was told there that he was being trained because a KLA commander could be injured in the front, so he should learn how to transplant a human organ."

This is simply discrediting and compromising fabrication...if not laughable. At a time when Albanian Kosovars and KLA members for that matter were in survival mode, this story paints a completely different world, shall we say from another planet....that in some obscure Albanian forest one can learn how to transplant organs, the most complex procedure in the world...Serbian mythology at best.

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Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

He was told there that he was being trained because a KLA commander could be injured in the front, so he should learn how to transplant a human organ. He was not told this was a criminal act of organ extraction."


I had to stop on this (the above paragraph). A most probably a peasant with no medical background, to be trained supposedly as an expert surgeon for organ transplant. Just stop and think for a moment if this story is for real!? How low can Serbian people get to?

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iso

pre 11 godina

can anybody link me the vid of this witness talking?
there`ve been so much about this organ harvesting issue , it`s going on like 2-3 years now , where are the proofs , if there were any I bet my laptop serbia wouldn`t have waited 2 sec to destroy thaci and co. but I doubt there`s any and Marti not accepting to prove his accusations to Eulex when he was invited makes me think even more there`s something foolish going on.

Please somebody link me that vid I can`t find it :\

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Dr. Who

pre 11 godina

NATO are all squeaky clean and have committed no war crimes......NATO and the west are the biggest of all war criminals and they still committ them....these are facts!!

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think about it

pre 11 godina

(Dunno yet,
You are right that organ extraction and organ transplantation is two different scenarios, but:
Both require skill and technique.
One cannot cut someone open with a scapel and remove a heart. You also need a bone saw, rib spreaders and then again with a scapel to cut into the pericardium.
The heart must be removed with the veins intact and with enough to trim and attach to the new pt.
The heart has to be immediately packed in ice to prevent further death of tissue, not just a box.
And per the article he WAS being trained to DO transplants in the field in case fellow KLA were injured. I suppose so they can suddenly jump up after their heart transplant and continue fighting. After all the entire thing should take no more than a scapel and a sewing kit and about 20 minutes, you think. I really don't think you "dunno yet"

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Zoran

pre 11 godina

If you google "war crimes by serbia" you also get 13,800,000 responses!
(think about it, 11 September 2012 17:41)
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war crimes NATO returns 62,400,000 responses!!!

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NATO observer

pre 11 godina

Before any of you with no empathy and common sense speak and ridicule innocent Serbian victims of this genocide, listen carefully to the testimony.

This was simple ORGAN HARVESTING not transplantation, and yes, barely 2-3 hours after that, the organ could have been in a German private clinic (already found to have used organs harvested in Kosovo for their patients) ready for transplantation.

How do you think organs are collected in road traffic accidents? Besides, Ponte and Marty have uncovered that many harvestings were simply done on Serbian prisoners and with no view to actually selling them for use in humans (practice, research etc were also reasons for selling the organs).

As far as the procedure described, this was done under direct guidance of the surgeon, by a person with rudimentary knowledge of the organ removal procedure. Any butcher knows how to remove an organ cleanly, and that was all that was needed. Also, note that the skin was cut with the scalpel, NOT ribs. And after all that, read the reports by Dick Marty and Karla de Ponte, who knew and reported on this years ago.

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roberto

pre 11 godina

Everyone who reads their media in english knows what i think of it, so enough said... about these allegations -- i don't believe it and i am sure that it is a cheap and disgusting stunt by the blgd regime and co. to slow down our recognitions... BUT -- if we find that any of these allegations hold water, i personally promise to broadcast them, far and wide. and that i mean.

if, on the other hand (as i very much suspect) they are more in a cont'ing line of lies and deceit, then i will never let it go. never.

meanwhile, we are waiting for yr "war crimes prosecutor" (allegedly) to open the mass grave in the south of serbia (acc to eulex they are still "waiting" as well) and to open the secret police files fr milosevic era #1, which will tell the full(er) story of the refrg trucks, mass graves, and the burning of kos alb bodies at trepca and mackatica.

acc to the pres, yr war crimes prosecutor was taking testimony at the mackatica site, years ago, but somehow has remained silent.

buring secrets indeed.

robert frisco

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think about it

pre 11 godina

There are hundreds of articles on the net about the proud "Newborn", just Google and read the truth.
(ecoman, 11 September 2012 14:28)
If you google "war crimes by serbia" you also get 13,800,000 responses!

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Dunno yet

pre 11 godina

A) this man could have been sent in to spread disinfo and destroy any future investigations maybee Bruno might have been taken in.

B) the doctor did not take direct part in the matter and so keeeping his oath and some sort of legal defense if things went sour.

C) this witness might not have been the only one trained, expectations might have been to have somewhat trained personal at hand throughout a battlefield.

D) To all those that think organ extraction requires state of the art buildings you are completely wrong. Organ extraction can happen in mobile vans, tents or houses with easily transportable equipment. Organ extraction and organ transplants are two different things.Extraction if you intend to keep the donor source alive ie liver etc does require complex procedures.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/03/world/meast/pleitgen-sinai-organ-smugglers/index.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/14/illegal-organ-removals-charges-kosovo

E) a maximum of 5 hours is given for a heart to be transplanted, ask him for the date and time and search records of any donor hearts arriving for scheduled operations and flight logs at certain airports in question. This might be part of the 99% not told and would corroborate the witness testimony.

F) Maybee Bruno is deliberatly letting himself be misled.

Time will soon tell.

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The Count of Kosova

pre 11 godina

According to Dr. Who:

"The war against the Serbs was against international law, western propaganda demonised the Serbs as it has demonises Asaad, gadafi, Saddam Hussein etc etc. I openly accuse the western powers of fascist aggresion on the Serbian people right up to this present day."


At least the Serbs are in good company!

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adrian kola

pre 11 godina

I'm sorry I just watched this video a few moments ago and if that guy is an Albanian (blatantly not a KLA fighter) then I'm a Dutchman!
I think this is going to cost Serbia dearly! Nothing but bare lies!

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

Leaked documents. Is it possible that all these former KLA witnesses were fabricating their stories?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo

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Dr. Who

pre 11 godina

The truth always comes out in the end, and the truth is that the USA and it's allies lied through their back teeth about the Serbs throughout the Balkan wars including KOSOVO as the world now knows. It doesn't matter anymore what the Albanians or the lying Americans say on this or any other site. The war against the Serbs was against international law, western propaganda demonised the Serbs as it has demonises Asaad, gadafi, Saddam Hussein etc etc. I openly accuse the western powers of fascist aggresion on the Serbian people right up to this present day. The real war criminals are still at large, Thaci Clinton Blair Bush Obama and the rest. They are the war mongers and the ones who have made this mess. I pray that someone will get close enough to them and give them what they rightly deserve. I don't care who knows it. All you idiots who never even heard of Serbia until the wars only listen to your own lying bastard governments who have decieved you all. Check out the net and find out for yourselves and then be ashamed of yourselves for believing them. Shame on you all who still do.

Kosovo is Serbia and we will get back our land make no mistake.

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Eagleeye

pre 11 godina

to Ecoman

Buddy I understand that you are fighting with heart and soul to protect the image of Serbia, that Is understandable and I applaud that, But I think that you are Intelligent enough to understand that You cannot fight for other peolple,s actions, or by trying to mock Kosovo as a country and their institutions, I am not saying that we Albanians are Angels either but those links that you have provided are the Accusations of Serbian Propaganda and the Nutcase that is Dick marty, In regards to this article I would only say that I bet that the Yellow House as they call it in Albania does not have any Electricity even now, to perform such operations, It is a Joke and it does not look good for the Image of Serbia, As this will not be taken seriously by people or any court of law.

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Health Professional UK

pre 11 godina

....open a human chest with a scalp?...laughable. The more I read, the more amazed I am how this text slipped through and was published.
It is not a frog we are dealing with here...cutting through Thorax with a scalpel, by a boy that has never seen a scalpel before..., you need a saw etc....this is ridiculous, cant believe anyone and above all myself can be bothered to comment.
I am just surprised so many here seem to take this story seriously?

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

A lot of what you say is true, Dr. Even the honorable Mr. Mandela in So. Africa has accused the war mongering team of Bush and Blair of war crimes - and these two are just the tip of the ice berg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEhgwdJldeU
This is just one of thousands of people who speak the truth about American/NATO aggression in the Balkans. The great thing about the internet, is that Western propaganda can be verified. Thanks to independent accounts from individuals, Wikileaks, and so on, there is no more buying as fact what the US State Dept. puts out, and its stooges at CNN.

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aaayyy

pre 11 godina

Albanians here believe to Albanian and Serbia witnesses testifying against Serbs, but they don't believe Albanian and Serbia witnesses testifying against their fellow Albanians.

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think again

pre 11 godina

Thank you for coming forward and doing the right thing. For what it's worth, Serbs will never forget and the Big Guy upstairs wont either.
(Jeff, 11 September 2012 12:54)
The only thing the Big Guy upstairs is going to be concerned with in this story is the breaking of the commandment"Thou shalft not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

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Reader

pre 11 godina

Is this a bad joke? Vekaric has lost his mind. As a minimum I would think one needs to anesthetize people before doing this type of thing. So they don't struggle during the operation. But the goal here is to portray the KLA as vampires.

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Health Professional UK

pre 11 godina

This is one of the most bizarre stories I have ever read.
Any health professional, in particular a surgeon would need years of training to extract an organ, here we have a guy he had few hours of training, feels sick by just being in the room, yet managed to assist and not only that but remove, not a nail, but a human heart?!
Lets say this happened, why on earth ask a bystander to hold a scalpel, carry out such a highly sophisticated operation if preset were supposedly some surgeons, experts?!
As a reader I feel my intelligence has been insulted, to find such story by a supposedly super surgeon, carrying out procedures that takes 10+ of training for a dedicated medical Dr.

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Roger7

pre 11 godina

Fundamentalist Islam allows for organ transplantation (to save a life) but prohibits organ harvesting from brain-dead bodies.

Procuring human organs in Albania for European trafficking is a well know fact. This is about money/profit not sterile technique!

Albania is often identified as a source country for organ trafficking by various international organizations.

According the American Medical Association & The Organs Watch, Albania is one of the countries identified as destination for the so-called “transplant tourism.”

There is truth to this disgusting act and for that reason it will not go away. Instead of denying it, you need to educate yourselves about it and then speak out against it.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

What annoys me even more is the lack of action from the Kosovan side for not countering such vicious Serbian allegations with the rapes, tortures and the disgusting ethnic cleansing that took place against the majority local Albanian population during the war! Adrian Cola
Adrian, I am sorry to tell you, but you are two for two today - wrong on both counts. Most of the accounts of atrocities committed by Serbs in KiM during the civil war have also been propagandized to suit America's plan for the Balkans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FN33NTMpLU
Again, there is a ton of info on the internet that tell the truth about what went in KiM during the war - and it ins not what you claim.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

Well, I don't know about this testimony. It does seem a bit far fetched. Do I believe that the KLA did do organ harvesting, without a doubt, but why would you have a young soldier doing the actual organ extraction? To maybe know how to do it on the actual battlefield? - possibly. Who knows? Everyone in the West is dragging their feet in these investigations, hoping the entire matter goes away. Lets wait and see what develops, before we come to any concluions?

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Bridge

pre 11 godina

1: He can't speak Albanian, and pronounce wrong on several occasions. 2: He sounds like a Serb who just learn how to speak albanian. 3: He have been paid to lie. C'mon Belgrad you can't fool me with this. Try again!

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ben

pre 11 godina

(Jasna Djokic, 11 September 2012 13:39)

Jasna teach your friend that you ask to "contribute" the English language my dear :)

OK this story sounds to me as horror film with 10 thousand Euro budget.

We were holding his legs and he was screaming... for the first time in my life I saw a scalpel.. yet the doctor asked ME to do the transplant (remove the heart)...

now I have zero and I mean literally zero medical expertise but I would think these kind of surgical interventions need to be performed by highly trained teams (I mean teams, that is: more than one man. and preferably not people that for the first time in his/their life see a scalpel), the hygienic conditions must be super high if not for something else at least for not to contaminate the extracted organ. The heart from the extraction to the implant cannot take more than 3-4 hours.

In this case we have "highly trained" surgeon (who sees for the first time in his life a scalpel) then a drive to the airport (knowing the roads of Albania at that time it takes eternity) then the flight to Turkey or any other country would take at least couple of hours. The authorities of the receiving country should be the dumbest people on earth watching these cases full of organs flying from a war zone and make no questions...and so one...

Oh my Lord I see all surgeons of the world having a great great laugh at this story coming from the Serbian authorities and I see the Serbian surgeons crying from the embarrassment :)

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Cubrilovic

pre 11 godina

Serbs are making Dick and Carla look amateurs compared to the propaganda of the Serbian spirit of lies, lies and more lies.


Sounds like part 2 of this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGYqdvyRXy0

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J.Oker

pre 11 godina

"Do you seriously think that anyone is going to buy this? This is another ridiculous attempt by Serbia to smear Kosova's name and reputation aboard and another feeble attempt to eclipse yesterday's event which saw the end of supervised independence. "
(adrian kola, 11 September 2012 13:26)

No, those stories only improve the 'reputation' Kosovo and its politicians have in mafia circles.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

This is another ridiculous attempt by Serbia to smear Kosova's name and reputation aboard and another feeble attempt to eclipse yesterday's event which saw the end of supervised independence. Adrian Cola
Adrian, are you kidding us? Kosova has a horrible reputation in the world, and is known for the criminal cesspool that it is. What planet do you live on? If you are proud of that, feel free.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/29/hashim-thaci-kosovo-mafia-_n_841557.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/14/kosovo-prime-minister-llike-mafia-boss
http://www.observatoriodelacrisis.org/2012/04/kosovos-mafia-state-and-camp-bondsteel-towards-a-permanent-us-military-presence-in-southeast-europe-washington’s-bizarre-kosovo-strategy-could-destroy-nato/?lang=en
http://www.flarenetwork.org/learn/europe/article/german_daily_thaci_involved_in_organized_crime.htm
There are hundreds of articles on the net about the proud "Newborn", just Google and read the truth.

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Peggy

pre 11 godina

Whay You don't publish the comments in other language like spanish for example.Are there some linguistic discrimination? Or I am wrong?
(Jasna Djokic, 11 September 2012 13:39)
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Maybe because this is an English site. Seeing how you speak English why would you want to use Spanish here?

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

All I can say, and lets put our biased opinions aside, is that there is just too much information, speculation, and accusation, of organ-harvesting in KiM and Albania by the KLA and associates, for this not to have merit. Like a previous commentator said, the organ trade is alive and well today in KiM and Albania, why would we think it did not happen during the war? It is a hideous matter, that a human being could actual do this to another, regardless of fighting for independence, or pure hate - and must be thoroughly investigated. It is purely the right and just thing to do. I just hope that politics does not get in the way, as it would make some politicians, their backers, and nations, look very bad.

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pss

pre 11 godina

Those people are not human beings. They are the cesspit of the earth and should be wiped out once cought, no mercy for those murderers.
(Dr.Who, 11 September 2012 13:18)
If you give chedibility to this story you need to change your name from Dr because anyone with higher than a 6th grade education can see the flaws in this story. It is not only incredible but impossible. He will never appear in a legitmate court room. This story is for desperate Serbs only and it more proves that the rumors are myths than it proves they are real.

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pss

pre 11 godina

If this is your witness, you better keep on shopping. A lawyer without any medical consult can rip this story apart. But I am sure that medical experts will be used.
Maybe you should use some medical consults in coaching this witness.

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adrian kola

pre 11 godina

Do you seriously think that anyone is going to buy this? This is another ridiculous attempt by Serbia to smear Kosova's name and reputation aboard and another feeble attempt to eclipse yesterday's event which saw the end of supervised independence.
This sort of propaganda is not going to win you any friends either in Kosova or anywhere else in the world, for that matter. This will only breed more hatred and intolerance which is exactly what Serbia is trying to achieve! Their aim is to force a solution on Kosova through any means necessary!
What annoys me even more is the lack of action from the Kosovan side for not countering such vicious Serbian allegations with the rapes, tortures and the disgusting ethnic cleansing that took place against the majority local Albanian population during the war! It's as if nothing ever happened! It beggars belief!
I bet you that this so-called 'KLA fighter' will turn out to be nothing more than a Serbian stooge or a member of the Roma/Gorani community bribed by UDBA to make these appalling allegations in return for a shanty house in the suburbs of Belgrade!

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Dr.Who

pre 11 godina

Those people are not human beings. They are the cesspit of the earth and should be wiped out once cought, no mercy for those murderers.

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Demi

pre 11 godina

Lol what a story. I guess Serbia Will kill this witness and say that Albanians are smarter than the Serbian justice system and got to him. Still no evidence about this fairytale!!!!

Serbia is so desparate to discredit the Kla but thers no way since the good allways win over the bad.

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Jovan

pre 11 godina

the attempt by "Dardan" to belittle this cruel crime just shows how low some can go...

my dear k-albanian friend "Dardan"... before killing him, they have certainly taken some blood- or tissue-samples and checked his health etc.

but thank you for displaying the albanian virtue of denial. you still think you were the victims, right?

or are you just deliberately lying?

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Zoran

pre 11 godina

Absolutely disgusting what these KLA terrorists got up to, all partners in crime with Albania, Turkey and the NATO death machine. It is no wonder this has been covered up for so long by NATO terrorists.

Carla del Ponte (no friend of Serbia) confirms this occurred.
Dick Marty, the guy who exposed US secret detentions also confirms this.

However, K*-Albanians are still in denial. This is a reason they will never, and I mean never obtain independence. This is credible evidence and thank God it is in Serbia's hands otherwise this witness would be dead long ago. How great to see an ethnic Albanian with a conscious. Life must be so difficult after experiencing something so gruesome. The truth will set him free so let it all come out.

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Jasna Djokic

pre 11 godina

Whay You don't publish the comments in other language like spanish for example.Are there some linguistic discrimination? Or I am wrong?

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Dardan

pre 11 godina

did it really take so long to come up with this witness? you don't have to be an expert in human biology to realize that organ transplant require one basic thing, that the organs match. what this 'witness' is saying here is that they murdered people without regard to this. and where is this hospital that he is talking of? in the moon? a primitive hospital would not have the capacity to conduct organ removal. seriously this is very fanciful . what i know is this, 2 investigations carried neither found any evidence. dr marty has been challenged numerously to submit his proof, he has refused. more desperate stuff from serbia

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Jeff

pre 11 godina

Thank you for coming forward and doing the right thing. For what it's worth, Serbs will never forget and the Big Guy upstairs wont either.

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Jeff

pre 11 godina

Thank you for coming forward and doing the right thing. For what it's worth, Serbs will never forget and the Big Guy upstairs wont either.

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Dr.Who

pre 11 godina

Those people are not human beings. They are the cesspit of the earth and should be wiped out once cought, no mercy for those murderers.

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Zoran

pre 11 godina

Absolutely disgusting what these KLA terrorists got up to, all partners in crime with Albania, Turkey and the NATO death machine. It is no wonder this has been covered up for so long by NATO terrorists.

Carla del Ponte (no friend of Serbia) confirms this occurred.
Dick Marty, the guy who exposed US secret detentions also confirms this.

However, K*-Albanians are still in denial. This is a reason they will never, and I mean never obtain independence. This is credible evidence and thank God it is in Serbia's hands otherwise this witness would be dead long ago. How great to see an ethnic Albanian with a conscious. Life must be so difficult after experiencing something so gruesome. The truth will set him free so let it all come out.

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Health Professional UK

pre 11 godina

....open a human chest with a scalp?...laughable. The more I read, the more amazed I am how this text slipped through and was published.
It is not a frog we are dealing with here...cutting through Thorax with a scalpel, by a boy that has never seen a scalpel before..., you need a saw etc....this is ridiculous, cant believe anyone and above all myself can be bothered to comment.
I am just surprised so many here seem to take this story seriously?

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Dardan

pre 11 godina

did it really take so long to come up with this witness? you don't have to be an expert in human biology to realize that organ transplant require one basic thing, that the organs match. what this 'witness' is saying here is that they murdered people without regard to this. and where is this hospital that he is talking of? in the moon? a primitive hospital would not have the capacity to conduct organ removal. seriously this is very fanciful . what i know is this, 2 investigations carried neither found any evidence. dr marty has been challenged numerously to submit his proof, he has refused. more desperate stuff from serbia

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Dr. Who

pre 11 godina

The truth always comes out in the end, and the truth is that the USA and it's allies lied through their back teeth about the Serbs throughout the Balkan wars including KOSOVO as the world now knows. It doesn't matter anymore what the Albanians or the lying Americans say on this or any other site. The war against the Serbs was against international law, western propaganda demonised the Serbs as it has demonises Asaad, gadafi, Saddam Hussein etc etc. I openly accuse the western powers of fascist aggresion on the Serbian people right up to this present day. The real war criminals are still at large, Thaci Clinton Blair Bush Obama and the rest. They are the war mongers and the ones who have made this mess. I pray that someone will get close enough to them and give them what they rightly deserve. I don't care who knows it. All you idiots who never even heard of Serbia until the wars only listen to your own lying bastard governments who have decieved you all. Check out the net and find out for yourselves and then be ashamed of yourselves for believing them. Shame on you all who still do.

Kosovo is Serbia and we will get back our land make no mistake.

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J.Oker

pre 11 godina

"Do you seriously think that anyone is going to buy this? This is another ridiculous attempt by Serbia to smear Kosova's name and reputation aboard and another feeble attempt to eclipse yesterday's event which saw the end of supervised independence. "
(adrian kola, 11 September 2012 13:26)

No, those stories only improve the 'reputation' Kosovo and its politicians have in mafia circles.

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Health Professional UK

pre 11 godina

This is one of the most bizarre stories I have ever read.
Any health professional, in particular a surgeon would need years of training to extract an organ, here we have a guy he had few hours of training, feels sick by just being in the room, yet managed to assist and not only that but remove, not a nail, but a human heart?!
Lets say this happened, why on earth ask a bystander to hold a scalpel, carry out such a highly sophisticated operation if preset were supposedly some surgeons, experts?!
As a reader I feel my intelligence has been insulted, to find such story by a supposedly super surgeon, carrying out procedures that takes 10+ of training for a dedicated medical Dr.

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Jovan

pre 11 godina

the attempt by "Dardan" to belittle this cruel crime just shows how low some can go...

my dear k-albanian friend "Dardan"... before killing him, they have certainly taken some blood- or tissue-samples and checked his health etc.

but thank you for displaying the albanian virtue of denial. you still think you were the victims, right?

or are you just deliberately lying?

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adrian kola

pre 11 godina

Do you seriously think that anyone is going to buy this? This is another ridiculous attempt by Serbia to smear Kosova's name and reputation aboard and another feeble attempt to eclipse yesterday's event which saw the end of supervised independence.
This sort of propaganda is not going to win you any friends either in Kosova or anywhere else in the world, for that matter. This will only breed more hatred and intolerance which is exactly what Serbia is trying to achieve! Their aim is to force a solution on Kosova through any means necessary!
What annoys me even more is the lack of action from the Kosovan side for not countering such vicious Serbian allegations with the rapes, tortures and the disgusting ethnic cleansing that took place against the majority local Albanian population during the war! It's as if nothing ever happened! It beggars belief!
I bet you that this so-called 'KLA fighter' will turn out to be nothing more than a Serbian stooge or a member of the Roma/Gorani community bribed by UDBA to make these appalling allegations in return for a shanty house in the suburbs of Belgrade!

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Peggy

pre 11 godina

Whay You don't publish the comments in other language like spanish for example.Are there some linguistic discrimination? Or I am wrong?
(Jasna Djokic, 11 September 2012 13:39)
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Maybe because this is an English site. Seeing how you speak English why would you want to use Spanish here?

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

Well, I don't know about this testimony. It does seem a bit far fetched. Do I believe that the KLA did do organ harvesting, without a doubt, but why would you have a young soldier doing the actual organ extraction? To maybe know how to do it on the actual battlefield? - possibly. Who knows? Everyone in the West is dragging their feet in these investigations, hoping the entire matter goes away. Lets wait and see what develops, before we come to any concluions?

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Roger7

pre 11 godina

Fundamentalist Islam allows for organ transplantation (to save a life) but prohibits organ harvesting from brain-dead bodies.

Procuring human organs in Albania for European trafficking is a well know fact. This is about money/profit not sterile technique!

Albania is often identified as a source country for organ trafficking by various international organizations.

According the American Medical Association & The Organs Watch, Albania is one of the countries identified as destination for the so-called “transplant tourism.”

There is truth to this disgusting act and for that reason it will not go away. Instead of denying it, you need to educate yourselves about it and then speak out against it.

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pss

pre 11 godina

If this is your witness, you better keep on shopping. A lawyer without any medical consult can rip this story apart. But I am sure that medical experts will be used.
Maybe you should use some medical consults in coaching this witness.

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Demi

pre 11 godina

Lol what a story. I guess Serbia Will kill this witness and say that Albanians are smarter than the Serbian justice system and got to him. Still no evidence about this fairytale!!!!

Serbia is so desparate to discredit the Kla but thers no way since the good allways win over the bad.

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Reader

pre 11 godina

Is this a bad joke? Vekaric has lost his mind. As a minimum I would think one needs to anesthetize people before doing this type of thing. So they don't struggle during the operation. But the goal here is to portray the KLA as vampires.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

A lot of what you say is true, Dr. Even the honorable Mr. Mandela in So. Africa has accused the war mongering team of Bush and Blair of war crimes - and these two are just the tip of the ice berg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEhgwdJldeU
This is just one of thousands of people who speak the truth about American/NATO aggression in the Balkans. The great thing about the internet, is that Western propaganda can be verified. Thanks to independent accounts from individuals, Wikileaks, and so on, there is no more buying as fact what the US State Dept. puts out, and its stooges at CNN.

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Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

He was told there that he was being trained because a KLA commander could be injured in the front, so he should learn how to transplant a human organ. He was not told this was a criminal act of organ extraction."


I had to stop on this (the above paragraph). A most probably a peasant with no medical background, to be trained supposedly as an expert surgeon for organ transplant. Just stop and think for a moment if this story is for real!? How low can Serbian people get to?

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Cubrilovic

pre 11 godina

Serbs are making Dick and Carla look amateurs compared to the propaganda of the Serbian spirit of lies, lies and more lies.


Sounds like part 2 of this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGYqdvyRXy0

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adrian kola

pre 11 godina

I'm sorry I just watched this video a few moments ago and if that guy is an Albanian (blatantly not a KLA fighter) then I'm a Dutchman!
I think this is going to cost Serbia dearly! Nothing but bare lies!

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pss

pre 11 godina

Those people are not human beings. They are the cesspit of the earth and should be wiped out once cought, no mercy for those murderers.
(Dr.Who, 11 September 2012 13:18)
If you give chedibility to this story you need to change your name from Dr because anyone with higher than a 6th grade education can see the flaws in this story. It is not only incredible but impossible. He will never appear in a legitmate court room. This story is for desperate Serbs only and it more proves that the rumors are myths than it proves they are real.

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think again

pre 11 godina

Thank you for coming forward and doing the right thing. For what it's worth, Serbs will never forget and the Big Guy upstairs wont either.
(Jeff, 11 September 2012 12:54)
The only thing the Big Guy upstairs is going to be concerned with in this story is the breaking of the commandment"Thou shalft not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

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Bridge

pre 11 godina

1: He can't speak Albanian, and pronounce wrong on several occasions. 2: He sounds like a Serb who just learn how to speak albanian. 3: He have been paid to lie. C'mon Belgrad you can't fool me with this. Try again!

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

All I can say, and lets put our biased opinions aside, is that there is just too much information, speculation, and accusation, of organ-harvesting in KiM and Albania by the KLA and associates, for this not to have merit. Like a previous commentator said, the organ trade is alive and well today in KiM and Albania, why would we think it did not happen during the war? It is a hideous matter, that a human being could actual do this to another, regardless of fighting for independence, or pure hate - and must be thoroughly investigated. It is purely the right and just thing to do. I just hope that politics does not get in the way, as it would make some politicians, their backers, and nations, look very bad.

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aaayyy

pre 11 godina

Albanians here believe to Albanian and Serbia witnesses testifying against Serbs, but they don't believe Albanian and Serbia witnesses testifying against their fellow Albanians.

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Eagleeye

pre 11 godina

to Ecoman

Buddy I understand that you are fighting with heart and soul to protect the image of Serbia, that Is understandable and I applaud that, But I think that you are Intelligent enough to understand that You cannot fight for other peolple,s actions, or by trying to mock Kosovo as a country and their institutions, I am not saying that we Albanians are Angels either but those links that you have provided are the Accusations of Serbian Propaganda and the Nutcase that is Dick marty, In regards to this article I would only say that I bet that the Yellow House as they call it in Albania does not have any Electricity even now, to perform such operations, It is a Joke and it does not look good for the Image of Serbia, As this will not be taken seriously by people or any court of law.

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think about it

pre 11 godina

There are hundreds of articles on the net about the proud "Newborn", just Google and read the truth.
(ecoman, 11 September 2012 14:28)
If you google "war crimes by serbia" you also get 13,800,000 responses!

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NATO observer

pre 11 godina

Before any of you with no empathy and common sense speak and ridicule innocent Serbian victims of this genocide, listen carefully to the testimony.

This was simple ORGAN HARVESTING not transplantation, and yes, barely 2-3 hours after that, the organ could have been in a German private clinic (already found to have used organs harvested in Kosovo for their patients) ready for transplantation.

How do you think organs are collected in road traffic accidents? Besides, Ponte and Marty have uncovered that many harvestings were simply done on Serbian prisoners and with no view to actually selling them for use in humans (practice, research etc were also reasons for selling the organs).

As far as the procedure described, this was done under direct guidance of the surgeon, by a person with rudimentary knowledge of the organ removal procedure. Any butcher knows how to remove an organ cleanly, and that was all that was needed. Also, note that the skin was cut with the scalpel, NOT ribs. And after all that, read the reports by Dick Marty and Karla de Ponte, who knew and reported on this years ago.

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Zoran

pre 11 godina

If you google "war crimes by serbia" you also get 13,800,000 responses!
(think about it, 11 September 2012 17:41)
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war crimes NATO returns 62,400,000 responses!!!

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ben

pre 11 godina

(Jasna Djokic, 11 September 2012 13:39)

Jasna teach your friend that you ask to "contribute" the English language my dear :)

OK this story sounds to me as horror film with 10 thousand Euro budget.

We were holding his legs and he was screaming... for the first time in my life I saw a scalpel.. yet the doctor asked ME to do the transplant (remove the heart)...

now I have zero and I mean literally zero medical expertise but I would think these kind of surgical interventions need to be performed by highly trained teams (I mean teams, that is: more than one man. and preferably not people that for the first time in his/their life see a scalpel), the hygienic conditions must be super high if not for something else at least for not to contaminate the extracted organ. The heart from the extraction to the implant cannot take more than 3-4 hours.

In this case we have "highly trained" surgeon (who sees for the first time in his life a scalpel) then a drive to the airport (knowing the roads of Albania at that time it takes eternity) then the flight to Turkey or any other country would take at least couple of hours. The authorities of the receiving country should be the dumbest people on earth watching these cases full of organs flying from a war zone and make no questions...and so one...

Oh my Lord I see all surgeons of the world having a great great laugh at this story coming from the Serbian authorities and I see the Serbian surgeons crying from the embarrassment :)

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

What annoys me even more is the lack of action from the Kosovan side for not countering such vicious Serbian allegations with the rapes, tortures and the disgusting ethnic cleansing that took place against the majority local Albanian population during the war! Adrian Cola
Adrian, I am sorry to tell you, but you are two for two today - wrong on both counts. Most of the accounts of atrocities committed by Serbs in KiM during the civil war have also been propagandized to suit America's plan for the Balkans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FN33NTMpLU
Again, there is a ton of info on the internet that tell the truth about what went in KiM during the war - and it ins not what you claim.

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The Count of Kosova

pre 11 godina

According to Dr. Who:

"The war against the Serbs was against international law, western propaganda demonised the Serbs as it has demonises Asaad, gadafi, Saddam Hussein etc etc. I openly accuse the western powers of fascist aggresion on the Serbian people right up to this present day."


At least the Serbs are in good company!

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Dr. Who

pre 11 godina

NATO are all squeaky clean and have committed no war crimes......NATO and the west are the biggest of all war criminals and they still committ them....these are facts!!

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think about it

pre 11 godina

(Dunno yet,
You are right that organ extraction and organ transplantation is two different scenarios, but:
Both require skill and technique.
One cannot cut someone open with a scapel and remove a heart. You also need a bone saw, rib spreaders and then again with a scapel to cut into the pericardium.
The heart must be removed with the veins intact and with enough to trim and attach to the new pt.
The heart has to be immediately packed in ice to prevent further death of tissue, not just a box.
And per the article he WAS being trained to DO transplants in the field in case fellow KLA were injured. I suppose so they can suddenly jump up after their heart transplant and continue fighting. After all the entire thing should take no more than a scapel and a sewing kit and about 20 minutes, you think. I really don't think you "dunno yet"

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Eugene

pre 11 godina

" He was told there that he was being trained because a KLA commander could be injured in the front, so he should learn how to transplant a human organ."

This is simply discrediting and compromising fabrication...if not laughable. At a time when Albanian Kosovars and KLA members for that matter were in survival mode, this story paints a completely different world, shall we say from another planet....that in some obscure Albanian forest one can learn how to transplant organs, the most complex procedure in the world...Serbian mythology at best.

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Dardan

pre 11 godina

Shame for Serbia to say things like this they killed Womans children in Bosnia Croatia Kosovo and they dont stop to consider their self victim this people can survive only if they lie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHiobt0afwM Think about this still people re missing in Kosovo with my eye i saw 6 womans killed by knife shame shamee for this people wake up world ....

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Demi

pre 11 godina

Still LOL!!!! This story is so funny I have read it four times.... I guess we don't need doctors to transplant organs anymore. Only a young kid with an scalpel :)


The Serbian prosecutor is making a fool of him self. 100 % sure that even serbs belive this story is funny and made up.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

This is another ridiculous attempt by Serbia to smear Kosova's name and reputation aboard and another feeble attempt to eclipse yesterday's event which saw the end of supervised independence. Adrian Cola
Adrian, are you kidding us? Kosova has a horrible reputation in the world, and is known for the criminal cesspool that it is. What planet do you live on? If you are proud of that, feel free.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/29/hashim-thaci-kosovo-mafia-_n_841557.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/14/kosovo-prime-minister-llike-mafia-boss
http://www.observatoriodelacrisis.org/2012/04/kosovos-mafia-state-and-camp-bondsteel-towards-a-permanent-us-military-presence-in-southeast-europe-washington’s-bizarre-kosovo-strategy-could-destroy-nato/?lang=en
http://www.flarenetwork.org/learn/europe/article/german_daily_thaci_involved_in_organized_crime.htm
There are hundreds of articles on the net about the proud "Newborn", just Google and read the truth.

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roberto

pre 11 godina

Everyone who reads their media in english knows what i think of it, so enough said... about these allegations -- i don't believe it and i am sure that it is a cheap and disgusting stunt by the blgd regime and co. to slow down our recognitions... BUT -- if we find that any of these allegations hold water, i personally promise to broadcast them, far and wide. and that i mean.

if, on the other hand (as i very much suspect) they are more in a cont'ing line of lies and deceit, then i will never let it go. never.

meanwhile, we are waiting for yr "war crimes prosecutor" (allegedly) to open the mass grave in the south of serbia (acc to eulex they are still "waiting" as well) and to open the secret police files fr milosevic era #1, which will tell the full(er) story of the refrg trucks, mass graves, and the burning of kos alb bodies at trepca and mackatica.

acc to the pres, yr war crimes prosecutor was taking testimony at the mackatica site, years ago, but somehow has remained silent.

buring secrets indeed.

robert frisco

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Steve B.

pre 11 godina

I'm glad this man's guilt caught up with him. This is truly a sick crime mob that carried this out. Just as sick as the Alb comments posted on here. Stop living in denial. Your mob is just sick.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

Leaked documents. Is it possible that all these former KLA witnesses were fabricating their stories?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo

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Jasna Djokic

pre 11 godina

Whay You don't publish the comments in other language like spanish for example.Are there some linguistic discrimination? Or I am wrong?

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iso

pre 11 godina

can anybody link me the vid of this witness talking?
there`ve been so much about this organ harvesting issue , it`s going on like 2-3 years now , where are the proofs , if there were any I bet my laptop serbia wouldn`t have waited 2 sec to destroy thaci and co. but I doubt there`s any and Marti not accepting to prove his accusations to Eulex when he was invited makes me think even more there`s something foolish going on.

Please somebody link me that vid I can`t find it :\

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NATO being observed

pre 11 godina

How do you think organs are collected in road traffic accidents? Besides, Ponte and Marty have uncovered that many harvestings were simply done on Serbian prisoners and with no view to actually selling them for use in humans (practice, research etc were also reasons for selling the organs).

As far as the procedure described, this was done under direct guidance of the surgeon, by a person with rudimentary knowledge of the organ removal procedure. Any butcher knows how to remove an organ cleanly, and that was all that was needed. Also, note that the skin was cut with the scalpel, NOT ribs. And after all that, read the reports by Dick Marty and Karla de Ponte, who knew and reported on this years ago.
(NATO observer, 11 September 2012 18:44)
And how do you think organs are removed from victims at traffic accidents????
You attempts to clean up the story are futile, the cat is out of the bag
I know you Serbs WANT to believe it but I cannot conceive of anyone that could really believe it. Your best bet is to keep searching and do not embarass yourselves by parading this guy around.
I too believe that we will soon learn of his mysterious death, that is the only salvation Serbia can manage from this.

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Momcilo

pre 11 godina

I dont want to hear it from you albos on here about credibility. It is well known worldwide, that albanian mobs are leaders in drug smuggling, organ harvesting, trafficking etc. It doesn't take a genius to do some research on that. The fact that Carla Del Pont had zero to gain, only to lose by making those comments, touched on these issues in her book. And even questioned why the UN investigation files were destroyed, says that this definitely holds water. Sounds like the UN at the time was piecing together this evidence. And the interests of the world were at stake. What i mean is that deals were already made..regarding the territory, and this coming out might have put a significant end to all of that. Even the average person would say that its crazy to side with a bunch of thugs, and mafia members. The media had already created "its" image of Serbia worldwide..the propaganda machine was well oiled already..and there was no turning back. Bottom line is that it indeed happened, was investigated, and there are people that know much more about this. And when it comes to the forefront..thaci, haradanj..and many others will stand to pay. And this so called "fake declaration of a country" will show its true colors worldwide. If any of you albos actually think this issue is over, and that independance is irreversible..you are grossly kidding yourself, or you dont know much about Serbian people period.

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Charlotte

pre 11 godina

Finally the truth comes out. So sick of America & NATO hiding the truth about Kosovo for their own agenda. You can't hide what happened forever. Glad the "angel kosovar" albanians are being shown in a different, realistic light. They committed more atrocities and crimes against Serbs and Roma. I know Serbs that lived in Kosovo, and had to leave because the Albanian pigs kicked them out & or killed their neighbors, that is the Kosovo I know. What goes around comes around.

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Nikolle

pre 11 godina

ecoman

yes, except, in Racak we actually had the dead bodies. in here, we have dubious testimony and Mart's refusal to submit his so called evidence. i didn't know organ removal was such an easy thing. it was even done on a human who hadn't been anesthetized. so how did they stop the human from moving about, did they tie him? or were 4 people holding each of his arms and legs? seriously this testimony is too far fetched.
as for the allegation itself, 2 years into it, nothing been handed in. not a victim named, no forensic evidence ever found, nothing. but you keep on to this so called witness

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

if we find that any of these allegations hold water, i personally promise to broadcast them, far and wide. and that i mean. Frisco
Excuse me, but who the hell are you? Are you a known media figure? I have never heard of anyone named Frisco in American media. So please, tame it down a bit, and pull back a bit on the self-importance. No one is afraid of you, whoever you may be.
It is great to see that you are an unbiased news person, if that is what you truly are? Nothing like going into a topic with a closed mind, and a pre-determined outcome in your mind. You are the joke, pal.

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Vuksam

pre 11 godina

It's not Albanian word against Serbian, nor Serbian against Albanian. If this happened anywhere in the world it should always be TRUTH against the CRIME. And I will always be on the side of truth. So, do not speak something what you don't know. When the time comes, justice will prevail. But the facts are that Albanians close their eyes on the sins of their people, but widely opens them against the Serbs. It lasts from 19 century, and it will never stop. But let me tell you something about the Serbs. There is no country, nor beasts who can destroy Serbian spirit. You stole our hearts, kidneys for money, just because your people wasn't human enough to have their own!

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Unbelievable

pre 11 godina

. All they needed to do is to take the organ out and pass it on to a criminal doctor present at the time, something that every hunter and butcher can do (technically, morally, it takes a specially depraved kind of person, something you have in abundance within KLA).

Stop lying already, nobody but your fellow criminals believes you anymore.
(NATO observer, 12 September 2012 04:23)
You only show ignorance with such a statement. do you for one minute believe that someone who can afford to pay 100,000 for a heart and the cost of the surgery plus recovery, is going to say hey go get some farmboy to go out and cut a heart out of someone and I will give you the money. And you are wrong every hunter and butcher may be able to cut out a heart but to have that heart transplantable is another story. And yes ONLY skilled surgeons are used to retrieve organs and it does take training, which one cannot get by practicing on plastic dummies.

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Dunno yet

pre 11 godina

A) this man could have been sent in to spread disinfo and destroy any future investigations maybee Bruno might have been taken in.

B) the doctor did not take direct part in the matter and so keeeping his oath and some sort of legal defense if things went sour.

C) this witness might not have been the only one trained, expectations might have been to have somewhat trained personal at hand throughout a battlefield.

D) To all those that think organ extraction requires state of the art buildings you are completely wrong. Organ extraction can happen in mobile vans, tents or houses with easily transportable equipment. Organ extraction and organ transplants are two different things.Extraction if you intend to keep the donor source alive ie liver etc does require complex procedures.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/03/world/meast/pleitgen-sinai-organ-smugglers/index.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/14/illegal-organ-removals-charges-kosovo

E) a maximum of 5 hours is given for a heart to be transplanted, ask him for the date and time and search records of any donor hearts arriving for scheduled operations and flight logs at certain airports in question. This might be part of the 99% not told and would corroborate the witness testimony.

F) Maybee Bruno is deliberatly letting himself be misled.

Time will soon tell.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

Dardan, there are many Youtube videos that dispute William Walkers claim as to what happened in Racak. Many claim it was a hoax. Who are we to believe? In any case, what does Racak have to do with the KLA's alleged organ-harvesting before, during, and after the civil war? Watch a German documentary, yes German, on Youtube called "It started with a lie", it will enlighten you beyond belief.

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Toma

pre 11 godina

Why is the health care costs so high in the USA? They say the costs are too high. I don't know what they are talking about. You can take any young Albanian. Train him in a couple hours without really telling him what your training him to do and POOF. Easy medical care.

I don't know if anyone ever cut a chickens head off but it's not that easy to do a clean cut. I can't imagine how a professional Albanian soldier (lol) can do it no problem. Especially with shaky hands and a wide awake struggling patient.

If this is true though, all involved should be removed from this earth.

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NATO observer

pre 11 godina

To all albanian commentators - stop pretending that you misheard - nobody was trained to be an expert surgeon. Your own criminals were trained to butcher organs out of the bodies, extraction, NOT transplantation. All they needed to do is to take the organ out and pass it on to a criminal doctor present at the time, something that every hunter and butcher can do (technically, morally, it takes a specially depraved kind of person, something you have in abundance within KLA).

Stop lying already, nobody but your fellow criminals believes you anymore.

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Nikolle

pre 11 godina

if anyone takes this testimony seriously then more fool them. a guy, who felt sick by the sight of a scalpel was deemed fit enough to carry out an organ removal. whoever wrote this script, clearly lacks elementary knowledge of medicine. here's me betting that nothing will com e of it all (2 years in Dick Marty's report, still no evidence found)

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think about it

pre 11 godina

Vuksam, 12 September 2012 06:48)
Since you are only after the truth and not Albanian against Serb and vice versa, do you not think that Serbs have closed their eyes to the crimes their people have committed against Albanians? Do you not see that is exactly what you are doing?

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Bulgar of Ohrid

pre 11 godina

This is obviously a touchy subject for the Albanians judging by the number of comments.. I think the Albanians are living in a collective denial. Why are they suprised?

If you look at all the atrocities and barbaric methods in the 90's used by the Albanians in order to gain independance, why is it so difficult to believe that Albanians harvested Human Organs?

Ask Roland Keith, a field office director of the OSCE's Kosovo during the 90s, or ask the U.S. Committee for Refugees

“ Kosovo Liberation Army...attacks aimed at trying to 'cleanse' Kosovo of its ethnic Serb population. ”


Is it really that unbelievable>? why dont you ask the following people

- The Miners of Belaćevac
- The children at the Panda bar Pec
- Lake Radonjić victims

- Podujevo bus bombing victims


Sure sure.. lets here the excuses.. even 13 years after the war in Kosovo, the Albanians are still up to there old tricks of ethnic cleansing.. even in macedonia

- Smilkovci lake killings

Come on people.. lets keep it real.. look at the above logically and then ask yourself if organ harvesting is beyond teh rhelms of the albanian.

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Peggy

pre 11 godina

as for the allegation itself, 2 years into it, nothing been handed in. not a victim named, no forensic evidence ever found, nothing. but you keep on to this so called witness
(Nikolle, 12 September 2012 11:06)
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Much was handed in but destroyed. Don't you believe Carla?
You were happy to believe her when she was saying bad things about Serbs weren't you?
Don't worry too much. We will all see what evidence is left.

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Nikolle

pre 11 godina

forget carla, dr marty has evidence apparently. he has been challenged on numerous occasions to hand it over, hasn't done in two years. also if i remember correctly, wasn't it one of carla's people who destroyed the evidence? its ok, you hang on to this witness who was afraid of a scalple

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ben

pre 11 godina

sometimes it can be done in far-less-than-ideal circumstances. perhaps this is one of those times.
(bub, 12 September 2012 22:53)

bub this is NOT that case. Simply the standards MUST be the highest.

If not the organ will be contaminated and non transplantable - unsealable if you wish. This story doesn't hold the scrutiny of a 10 year old child. Serbia one more time is making a joke out of her self.

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bub

pre 11 godina

ben, i wonder what level of pristine conditions one might expect in a mobile army hospital, and what level of advanced equipement one might find in such a canvas tent. further i wonder how many injured soldiers who required very invasive surguries survived these horribly filthy conditions.
i would suspect that these mobile hospitals are far less than pristine that they should be, but better than an acceptable minimum.
it is possible, though unlikely, yet we've seen many unlikely events without our own lives to preclude the ability to outright deny the possibility.

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bub

pre 11 godina

though the crdibility of this tale is questionable, as are most very outrageous true and false stories. however the denying this tale because such actions are normally done in pristine environments and highly skilled professionals is not quit a fair assesment. certainly ideal conditions are ideal, for a reason. let us consider the massive number of chemical drug manufactures who work in their garages, making toxic and explosive stuff in not so pristine environments, and not so skilled makers. these farm boys are able to create a chemical that should only be made in a proper lab, and millionaires are willing to purchase the stuff made by these farm boys.
sometimes the task isn't as strenuous as it seems, and sometimes it can be done in far-less-than-ideal circumstances. perhaps this is one of those times.

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justhetruth

pre 11 godina

people really believing this BS....wake up this is a another 20 year back in the future for serbian nation and all ballkan people ..they just need your vote so they can steal even your paints also...tell me something anyone ,where are you guys right npw comparing to your neighbours i believe in deep poverty..so anyway good luck with cindorela story's

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Dardan

pre 11 godina

did it really take so long to come up with this witness? you don't have to be an expert in human biology to realize that organ transplant require one basic thing, that the organs match. what this 'witness' is saying here is that they murdered people without regard to this. and where is this hospital that he is talking of? in the moon? a primitive hospital would not have the capacity to conduct organ removal. seriously this is very fanciful . what i know is this, 2 investigations carried neither found any evidence. dr marty has been challenged numerously to submit his proof, he has refused. more desperate stuff from serbia

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Demi

pre 11 godina

Lol what a story. I guess Serbia Will kill this witness and say that Albanians are smarter than the Serbian justice system and got to him. Still no evidence about this fairytale!!!!

Serbia is so desparate to discredit the Kla but thers no way since the good allways win over the bad.

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adrian kola

pre 11 godina

Do you seriously think that anyone is going to buy this? This is another ridiculous attempt by Serbia to smear Kosova's name and reputation aboard and another feeble attempt to eclipse yesterday's event which saw the end of supervised independence.
This sort of propaganda is not going to win you any friends either in Kosova or anywhere else in the world, for that matter. This will only breed more hatred and intolerance which is exactly what Serbia is trying to achieve! Their aim is to force a solution on Kosova through any means necessary!
What annoys me even more is the lack of action from the Kosovan side for not countering such vicious Serbian allegations with the rapes, tortures and the disgusting ethnic cleansing that took place against the majority local Albanian population during the war! It's as if nothing ever happened! It beggars belief!
I bet you that this so-called 'KLA fighter' will turn out to be nothing more than a Serbian stooge or a member of the Roma/Gorani community bribed by UDBA to make these appalling allegations in return for a shanty house in the suburbs of Belgrade!

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adrian kola

pre 11 godina

I'm sorry I just watched this video a few moments ago and if that guy is an Albanian (blatantly not a KLA fighter) then I'm a Dutchman!
I think this is going to cost Serbia dearly! Nothing but bare lies!

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Jeff

pre 11 godina

Thank you for coming forward and doing the right thing. For what it's worth, Serbs will never forget and the Big Guy upstairs wont either.

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Dr.Who

pre 11 godina

Those people are not human beings. They are the cesspit of the earth and should be wiped out once cought, no mercy for those murderers.

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Bridge

pre 11 godina

1: He can't speak Albanian, and pronounce wrong on several occasions. 2: He sounds like a Serb who just learn how to speak albanian. 3: He have been paid to lie. C'mon Belgrad you can't fool me with this. Try again!

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Health Professional UK

pre 11 godina

....open a human chest with a scalp?...laughable. The more I read, the more amazed I am how this text slipped through and was published.
It is not a frog we are dealing with here...cutting through Thorax with a scalpel, by a boy that has never seen a scalpel before..., you need a saw etc....this is ridiculous, cant believe anyone and above all myself can be bothered to comment.
I am just surprised so many here seem to take this story seriously?

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ben

pre 11 godina

(Jasna Djokic, 11 September 2012 13:39)

Jasna teach your friend that you ask to "contribute" the English language my dear :)

OK this story sounds to me as horror film with 10 thousand Euro budget.

We were holding his legs and he was screaming... for the first time in my life I saw a scalpel.. yet the doctor asked ME to do the transplant (remove the heart)...

now I have zero and I mean literally zero medical expertise but I would think these kind of surgical interventions need to be performed by highly trained teams (I mean teams, that is: more than one man. and preferably not people that for the first time in his/their life see a scalpel), the hygienic conditions must be super high if not for something else at least for not to contaminate the extracted organ. The heart from the extraction to the implant cannot take more than 3-4 hours.

In this case we have "highly trained" surgeon (who sees for the first time in his life a scalpel) then a drive to the airport (knowing the roads of Albania at that time it takes eternity) then the flight to Turkey or any other country would take at least couple of hours. The authorities of the receiving country should be the dumbest people on earth watching these cases full of organs flying from a war zone and make no questions...and so one...

Oh my Lord I see all surgeons of the world having a great great laugh at this story coming from the Serbian authorities and I see the Serbian surgeons crying from the embarrassment :)

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The Count of Kosova

pre 11 godina

According to Dr. Who:

"The war against the Serbs was against international law, western propaganda demonised the Serbs as it has demonises Asaad, gadafi, Saddam Hussein etc etc. I openly accuse the western powers of fascist aggresion on the Serbian people right up to this present day."


At least the Serbs are in good company!

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Cubrilovic

pre 11 godina

Serbs are making Dick and Carla look amateurs compared to the propaganda of the Serbian spirit of lies, lies and more lies.


Sounds like part 2 of this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGYqdvyRXy0

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Health Professional UK

pre 11 godina

This is one of the most bizarre stories I have ever read.
Any health professional, in particular a surgeon would need years of training to extract an organ, here we have a guy he had few hours of training, feels sick by just being in the room, yet managed to assist and not only that but remove, not a nail, but a human heart?!
Lets say this happened, why on earth ask a bystander to hold a scalpel, carry out such a highly sophisticated operation if preset were supposedly some surgeons, experts?!
As a reader I feel my intelligence has been insulted, to find such story by a supposedly super surgeon, carrying out procedures that takes 10+ of training for a dedicated medical Dr.

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Eagleeye

pre 11 godina

to Ecoman

Buddy I understand that you are fighting with heart and soul to protect the image of Serbia, that Is understandable and I applaud that, But I think that you are Intelligent enough to understand that You cannot fight for other peolple,s actions, or by trying to mock Kosovo as a country and their institutions, I am not saying that we Albanians are Angels either but those links that you have provided are the Accusations of Serbian Propaganda and the Nutcase that is Dick marty, In regards to this article I would only say that I bet that the Yellow House as they call it in Albania does not have any Electricity even now, to perform such operations, It is a Joke and it does not look good for the Image of Serbia, As this will not be taken seriously by people or any court of law.

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Zoran

pre 11 godina

Absolutely disgusting what these KLA terrorists got up to, all partners in crime with Albania, Turkey and the NATO death machine. It is no wonder this has been covered up for so long by NATO terrorists.

Carla del Ponte (no friend of Serbia) confirms this occurred.
Dick Marty, the guy who exposed US secret detentions also confirms this.

However, K*-Albanians are still in denial. This is a reason they will never, and I mean never obtain independence. This is credible evidence and thank God it is in Serbia's hands otherwise this witness would be dead long ago. How great to see an ethnic Albanian with a conscious. Life must be so difficult after experiencing something so gruesome. The truth will set him free so let it all come out.

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Jovan

pre 11 godina

the attempt by "Dardan" to belittle this cruel crime just shows how low some can go...

my dear k-albanian friend "Dardan"... before killing him, they have certainly taken some blood- or tissue-samples and checked his health etc.

but thank you for displaying the albanian virtue of denial. you still think you were the victims, right?

or are you just deliberately lying?

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pss

pre 11 godina

If this is your witness, you better keep on shopping. A lawyer without any medical consult can rip this story apart. But I am sure that medical experts will be used.
Maybe you should use some medical consults in coaching this witness.

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pss

pre 11 godina

Those people are not human beings. They are the cesspit of the earth and should be wiped out once cought, no mercy for those murderers.
(Dr.Who, 11 September 2012 13:18)
If you give chedibility to this story you need to change your name from Dr because anyone with higher than a 6th grade education can see the flaws in this story. It is not only incredible but impossible. He will never appear in a legitmate court room. This story is for desperate Serbs only and it more proves that the rumors are myths than it proves they are real.

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Dr. Who

pre 11 godina

The truth always comes out in the end, and the truth is that the USA and it's allies lied through their back teeth about the Serbs throughout the Balkan wars including KOSOVO as the world now knows. It doesn't matter anymore what the Albanians or the lying Americans say on this or any other site. The war against the Serbs was against international law, western propaganda demonised the Serbs as it has demonises Asaad, gadafi, Saddam Hussein etc etc. I openly accuse the western powers of fascist aggresion on the Serbian people right up to this present day. The real war criminals are still at large, Thaci Clinton Blair Bush Obama and the rest. They are the war mongers and the ones who have made this mess. I pray that someone will get close enough to them and give them what they rightly deserve. I don't care who knows it. All you idiots who never even heard of Serbia until the wars only listen to your own lying bastard governments who have decieved you all. Check out the net and find out for yourselves and then be ashamed of yourselves for believing them. Shame on you all who still do.

Kosovo is Serbia and we will get back our land make no mistake.

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roberto

pre 11 godina

Everyone who reads their media in english knows what i think of it, so enough said... about these allegations -- i don't believe it and i am sure that it is a cheap and disgusting stunt by the blgd regime and co. to slow down our recognitions... BUT -- if we find that any of these allegations hold water, i personally promise to broadcast them, far and wide. and that i mean.

if, on the other hand (as i very much suspect) they are more in a cont'ing line of lies and deceit, then i will never let it go. never.

meanwhile, we are waiting for yr "war crimes prosecutor" (allegedly) to open the mass grave in the south of serbia (acc to eulex they are still "waiting" as well) and to open the secret police files fr milosevic era #1, which will tell the full(er) story of the refrg trucks, mass graves, and the burning of kos alb bodies at trepca and mackatica.

acc to the pres, yr war crimes prosecutor was taking testimony at the mackatica site, years ago, but somehow has remained silent.

buring secrets indeed.

robert frisco

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Demi

pre 11 godina

Still LOL!!!! This story is so funny I have read it four times.... I guess we don't need doctors to transplant organs anymore. Only a young kid with an scalpel :)


The Serbian prosecutor is making a fool of him self. 100 % sure that even serbs belive this story is funny and made up.

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Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

He was told there that he was being trained because a KLA commander could be injured in the front, so he should learn how to transplant a human organ. He was not told this was a criminal act of organ extraction."


I had to stop on this (the above paragraph). A most probably a peasant with no medical background, to be trained supposedly as an expert surgeon for organ transplant. Just stop and think for a moment if this story is for real!? How low can Serbian people get to?

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Dardan

pre 11 godina

Shame for Serbia to say things like this they killed Womans children in Bosnia Croatia Kosovo and they dont stop to consider their self victim this people can survive only if they lie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHiobt0afwM Think about this still people re missing in Kosovo with my eye i saw 6 womans killed by knife shame shamee for this people wake up world ....

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think about it

pre 11 godina

There are hundreds of articles on the net about the proud "Newborn", just Google and read the truth.
(ecoman, 11 September 2012 14:28)
If you google "war crimes by serbia" you also get 13,800,000 responses!

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Eugene

pre 11 godina

" He was told there that he was being trained because a KLA commander could be injured in the front, so he should learn how to transplant a human organ."

This is simply discrediting and compromising fabrication...if not laughable. At a time when Albanian Kosovars and KLA members for that matter were in survival mode, this story paints a completely different world, shall we say from another planet....that in some obscure Albanian forest one can learn how to transplant organs, the most complex procedure in the world...Serbian mythology at best.

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think again

pre 11 godina

Thank you for coming forward and doing the right thing. For what it's worth, Serbs will never forget and the Big Guy upstairs wont either.
(Jeff, 11 September 2012 12:54)
The only thing the Big Guy upstairs is going to be concerned with in this story is the breaking of the commandment"Thou shalft not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

This is another ridiculous attempt by Serbia to smear Kosova's name and reputation aboard and another feeble attempt to eclipse yesterday's event which saw the end of supervised independence. Adrian Cola
Adrian, are you kidding us? Kosova has a horrible reputation in the world, and is known for the criminal cesspool that it is. What planet do you live on? If you are proud of that, feel free.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/29/hashim-thaci-kosovo-mafia-_n_841557.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/14/kosovo-prime-minister-llike-mafia-boss
http://www.observatoriodelacrisis.org/2012/04/kosovos-mafia-state-and-camp-bondsteel-towards-a-permanent-us-military-presence-in-southeast-europe-washington’s-bizarre-kosovo-strategy-could-destroy-nato/?lang=en
http://www.flarenetwork.org/learn/europe/article/german_daily_thaci_involved_in_organized_crime.htm
There are hundreds of articles on the net about the proud "Newborn", just Google and read the truth.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

What annoys me even more is the lack of action from the Kosovan side for not countering such vicious Serbian allegations with the rapes, tortures and the disgusting ethnic cleansing that took place against the majority local Albanian population during the war! Adrian Cola
Adrian, I am sorry to tell you, but you are two for two today - wrong on both counts. Most of the accounts of atrocities committed by Serbs in KiM during the civil war have also been propagandized to suit America's plan for the Balkans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FN33NTMpLU
Again, there is a ton of info on the internet that tell the truth about what went in KiM during the war - and it ins not what you claim.

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Reader

pre 11 godina

Is this a bad joke? Vekaric has lost his mind. As a minimum I would think one needs to anesthetize people before doing this type of thing. So they don't struggle during the operation. But the goal here is to portray the KLA as vampires.

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Jasna Djokic

pre 11 godina

Whay You don't publish the comments in other language like spanish for example.Are there some linguistic discrimination? Or I am wrong?

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Roger7

pre 11 godina

Fundamentalist Islam allows for organ transplantation (to save a life) but prohibits organ harvesting from brain-dead bodies.

Procuring human organs in Albania for European trafficking is a well know fact. This is about money/profit not sterile technique!

Albania is often identified as a source country for organ trafficking by various international organizations.

According the American Medical Association & The Organs Watch, Albania is one of the countries identified as destination for the so-called “transplant tourism.”

There is truth to this disgusting act and for that reason it will not go away. Instead of denying it, you need to educate yourselves about it and then speak out against it.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

All I can say, and lets put our biased opinions aside, is that there is just too much information, speculation, and accusation, of organ-harvesting in KiM and Albania by the KLA and associates, for this not to have merit. Like a previous commentator said, the organ trade is alive and well today in KiM and Albania, why would we think it did not happen during the war? It is a hideous matter, that a human being could actual do this to another, regardless of fighting for independence, or pure hate - and must be thoroughly investigated. It is purely the right and just thing to do. I just hope that politics does not get in the way, as it would make some politicians, their backers, and nations, look very bad.

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J.Oker

pre 11 godina

"Do you seriously think that anyone is going to buy this? This is another ridiculous attempt by Serbia to smear Kosova's name and reputation aboard and another feeble attempt to eclipse yesterday's event which saw the end of supervised independence. "
(adrian kola, 11 September 2012 13:26)

No, those stories only improve the 'reputation' Kosovo and its politicians have in mafia circles.

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NATO observer

pre 11 godina

Before any of you with no empathy and common sense speak and ridicule innocent Serbian victims of this genocide, listen carefully to the testimony.

This was simple ORGAN HARVESTING not transplantation, and yes, barely 2-3 hours after that, the organ could have been in a German private clinic (already found to have used organs harvested in Kosovo for their patients) ready for transplantation.

How do you think organs are collected in road traffic accidents? Besides, Ponte and Marty have uncovered that many harvestings were simply done on Serbian prisoners and with no view to actually selling them for use in humans (practice, research etc were also reasons for selling the organs).

As far as the procedure described, this was done under direct guidance of the surgeon, by a person with rudimentary knowledge of the organ removal procedure. Any butcher knows how to remove an organ cleanly, and that was all that was needed. Also, note that the skin was cut with the scalpel, NOT ribs. And after all that, read the reports by Dick Marty and Karla de Ponte, who knew and reported on this years ago.

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think about it

pre 11 godina

(Dunno yet,
You are right that organ extraction and organ transplantation is two different scenarios, but:
Both require skill and technique.
One cannot cut someone open with a scapel and remove a heart. You also need a bone saw, rib spreaders and then again with a scapel to cut into the pericardium.
The heart must be removed with the veins intact and with enough to trim and attach to the new pt.
The heart has to be immediately packed in ice to prevent further death of tissue, not just a box.
And per the article he WAS being trained to DO transplants in the field in case fellow KLA were injured. I suppose so they can suddenly jump up after their heart transplant and continue fighting. After all the entire thing should take no more than a scapel and a sewing kit and about 20 minutes, you think. I really don't think you "dunno yet"

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

if we find that any of these allegations hold water, i personally promise to broadcast them, far and wide. and that i mean. Frisco
Excuse me, but who the hell are you? Are you a known media figure? I have never heard of anyone named Frisco in American media. So please, tame it down a bit, and pull back a bit on the self-importance. No one is afraid of you, whoever you may be.
It is great to see that you are an unbiased news person, if that is what you truly are? Nothing like going into a topic with a closed mind, and a pre-determined outcome in your mind. You are the joke, pal.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

A lot of what you say is true, Dr. Even the honorable Mr. Mandela in So. Africa has accused the war mongering team of Bush and Blair of war crimes - and these two are just the tip of the ice berg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEhgwdJldeU
This is just one of thousands of people who speak the truth about American/NATO aggression in the Balkans. The great thing about the internet, is that Western propaganda can be verified. Thanks to independent accounts from individuals, Wikileaks, and so on, there is no more buying as fact what the US State Dept. puts out, and its stooges at CNN.

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Dr. Who

pre 11 godina

NATO are all squeaky clean and have committed no war crimes......NATO and the west are the biggest of all war criminals and they still committ them....these are facts!!

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aaayyy

pre 11 godina

Albanians here believe to Albanian and Serbia witnesses testifying against Serbs, but they don't believe Albanian and Serbia witnesses testifying against their fellow Albanians.

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

Leaked documents. Is it possible that all these former KLA witnesses were fabricating their stories?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo

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Dunno yet

pre 11 godina

A) this man could have been sent in to spread disinfo and destroy any future investigations maybee Bruno might have been taken in.

B) the doctor did not take direct part in the matter and so keeeping his oath and some sort of legal defense if things went sour.

C) this witness might not have been the only one trained, expectations might have been to have somewhat trained personal at hand throughout a battlefield.

D) To all those that think organ extraction requires state of the art buildings you are completely wrong. Organ extraction can happen in mobile vans, tents or houses with easily transportable equipment. Organ extraction and organ transplants are two different things.Extraction if you intend to keep the donor source alive ie liver etc does require complex procedures.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/03/world/meast/pleitgen-sinai-organ-smugglers/index.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/14/illegal-organ-removals-charges-kosovo

E) a maximum of 5 hours is given for a heart to be transplanted, ask him for the date and time and search records of any donor hearts arriving for scheduled operations and flight logs at certain airports in question. This might be part of the 99% not told and would corroborate the witness testimony.

F) Maybee Bruno is deliberatly letting himself be misled.

Time will soon tell.

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Zoran

pre 11 godina

If you google "war crimes by serbia" you also get 13,800,000 responses!
(think about it, 11 September 2012 17:41)
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war crimes NATO returns 62,400,000 responses!!!

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Steve B.

pre 11 godina

I'm glad this man's guilt caught up with him. This is truly a sick crime mob that carried this out. Just as sick as the Alb comments posted on here. Stop living in denial. Your mob is just sick.

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Charlotte

pre 11 godina

Finally the truth comes out. So sick of America & NATO hiding the truth about Kosovo for their own agenda. You can't hide what happened forever. Glad the "angel kosovar" albanians are being shown in a different, realistic light. They committed more atrocities and crimes against Serbs and Roma. I know Serbs that lived in Kosovo, and had to leave because the Albanian pigs kicked them out & or killed their neighbors, that is the Kosovo I know. What goes around comes around.

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Momcilo

pre 11 godina

I dont want to hear it from you albos on here about credibility. It is well known worldwide, that albanian mobs are leaders in drug smuggling, organ harvesting, trafficking etc. It doesn't take a genius to do some research on that. The fact that Carla Del Pont had zero to gain, only to lose by making those comments, touched on these issues in her book. And even questioned why the UN investigation files were destroyed, says that this definitely holds water. Sounds like the UN at the time was piecing together this evidence. And the interests of the world were at stake. What i mean is that deals were already made..regarding the territory, and this coming out might have put a significant end to all of that. Even the average person would say that its crazy to side with a bunch of thugs, and mafia members. The media had already created "its" image of Serbia worldwide..the propaganda machine was well oiled already..and there was no turning back. Bottom line is that it indeed happened, was investigated, and there are people that know much more about this. And when it comes to the forefront..thaci, haradanj..and many others will stand to pay. And this so called "fake declaration of a country" will show its true colors worldwide. If any of you albos actually think this issue is over, and that independance is irreversible..you are grossly kidding yourself, or you dont know much about Serbian people period.

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Peggy

pre 11 godina

Whay You don't publish the comments in other language like spanish for example.Are there some linguistic discrimination? Or I am wrong?
(Jasna Djokic, 11 September 2012 13:39)
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Maybe because this is an English site. Seeing how you speak English why would you want to use Spanish here?

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NATO observer

pre 11 godina

To all albanian commentators - stop pretending that you misheard - nobody was trained to be an expert surgeon. Your own criminals were trained to butcher organs out of the bodies, extraction, NOT transplantation. All they needed to do is to take the organ out and pass it on to a criminal doctor present at the time, something that every hunter and butcher can do (technically, morally, it takes a specially depraved kind of person, something you have in abundance within KLA).

Stop lying already, nobody but your fellow criminals believes you anymore.

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Vuksam

pre 11 godina

It's not Albanian word against Serbian, nor Serbian against Albanian. If this happened anywhere in the world it should always be TRUTH against the CRIME. And I will always be on the side of truth. So, do not speak something what you don't know. When the time comes, justice will prevail. But the facts are that Albanians close their eyes on the sins of their people, but widely opens them against the Serbs. It lasts from 19 century, and it will never stop. But let me tell you something about the Serbs. There is no country, nor beasts who can destroy Serbian spirit. You stole our hearts, kidneys for money, just because your people wasn't human enough to have their own!

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

Well, I don't know about this testimony. It does seem a bit far fetched. Do I believe that the KLA did do organ harvesting, without a doubt, but why would you have a young soldier doing the actual organ extraction? To maybe know how to do it on the actual battlefield? - possibly. Who knows? Everyone in the West is dragging their feet in these investigations, hoping the entire matter goes away. Lets wait and see what develops, before we come to any concluions?

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iso

pre 11 godina

can anybody link me the vid of this witness talking?
there`ve been so much about this organ harvesting issue , it`s going on like 2-3 years now , where are the proofs , if there were any I bet my laptop serbia wouldn`t have waited 2 sec to destroy thaci and co. but I doubt there`s any and Marti not accepting to prove his accusations to Eulex when he was invited makes me think even more there`s something foolish going on.

Please somebody link me that vid I can`t find it :\

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ecoman

pre 11 godina

Dardan, there are many Youtube videos that dispute William Walkers claim as to what happened in Racak. Many claim it was a hoax. Who are we to believe? In any case, what does Racak have to do with the KLA's alleged organ-harvesting before, during, and after the civil war? Watch a German documentary, yes German, on Youtube called "It started with a lie", it will enlighten you beyond belief.

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Nikolle

pre 11 godina

ecoman

yes, except, in Racak we actually had the dead bodies. in here, we have dubious testimony and Mart's refusal to submit his so called evidence. i didn't know organ removal was such an easy thing. it was even done on a human who hadn't been anesthetized. so how did they stop the human from moving about, did they tie him? or were 4 people holding each of his arms and legs? seriously this testimony is too far fetched.
as for the allegation itself, 2 years into it, nothing been handed in. not a victim named, no forensic evidence ever found, nothing. but you keep on to this so called witness

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Nikolle

pre 11 godina

if anyone takes this testimony seriously then more fool them. a guy, who felt sick by the sight of a scalpel was deemed fit enough to carry out an organ removal. whoever wrote this script, clearly lacks elementary knowledge of medicine. here's me betting that nothing will com e of it all (2 years in Dick Marty's report, still no evidence found)

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Unbelievable

pre 11 godina

. All they needed to do is to take the organ out and pass it on to a criminal doctor present at the time, something that every hunter and butcher can do (technically, morally, it takes a specially depraved kind of person, something you have in abundance within KLA).

Stop lying already, nobody but your fellow criminals believes you anymore.
(NATO observer, 12 September 2012 04:23)
You only show ignorance with such a statement. do you for one minute believe that someone who can afford to pay 100,000 for a heart and the cost of the surgery plus recovery, is going to say hey go get some farmboy to go out and cut a heart out of someone and I will give you the money. And you are wrong every hunter and butcher may be able to cut out a heart but to have that heart transplantable is another story. And yes ONLY skilled surgeons are used to retrieve organs and it does take training, which one cannot get by practicing on plastic dummies.

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Bulgar of Ohrid

pre 11 godina

This is obviously a touchy subject for the Albanians judging by the number of comments.. I think the Albanians are living in a collective denial. Why are they suprised?

If you look at all the atrocities and barbaric methods in the 90's used by the Albanians in order to gain independance, why is it so difficult to believe that Albanians harvested Human Organs?

Ask Roland Keith, a field office director of the OSCE's Kosovo during the 90s, or ask the U.S. Committee for Refugees

“ Kosovo Liberation Army...attacks aimed at trying to 'cleanse' Kosovo of its ethnic Serb population. ”


Is it really that unbelievable>? why dont you ask the following people

- The Miners of Belaćevac
- The children at the Panda bar Pec
- Lake Radonjić victims

- Podujevo bus bombing victims


Sure sure.. lets here the excuses.. even 13 years after the war in Kosovo, the Albanians are still up to there old tricks of ethnic cleansing.. even in macedonia

- Smilkovci lake killings

Come on people.. lets keep it real.. look at the above logically and then ask yourself if organ harvesting is beyond teh rhelms of the albanian.

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Toma

pre 11 godina

Why is the health care costs so high in the USA? They say the costs are too high. I don't know what they are talking about. You can take any young Albanian. Train him in a couple hours without really telling him what your training him to do and POOF. Easy medical care.

I don't know if anyone ever cut a chickens head off but it's not that easy to do a clean cut. I can't imagine how a professional Albanian soldier (lol) can do it no problem. Especially with shaky hands and a wide awake struggling patient.

If this is true though, all involved should be removed from this earth.

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NATO being observed

pre 11 godina

How do you think organs are collected in road traffic accidents? Besides, Ponte and Marty have uncovered that many harvestings were simply done on Serbian prisoners and with no view to actually selling them for use in humans (practice, research etc were also reasons for selling the organs).

As far as the procedure described, this was done under direct guidance of the surgeon, by a person with rudimentary knowledge of the organ removal procedure. Any butcher knows how to remove an organ cleanly, and that was all that was needed. Also, note that the skin was cut with the scalpel, NOT ribs. And after all that, read the reports by Dick Marty and Karla de Ponte, who knew and reported on this years ago.
(NATO observer, 11 September 2012 18:44)
And how do you think organs are removed from victims at traffic accidents????
You attempts to clean up the story are futile, the cat is out of the bag
I know you Serbs WANT to believe it but I cannot conceive of anyone that could really believe it. Your best bet is to keep searching and do not embarass yourselves by parading this guy around.
I too believe that we will soon learn of his mysterious death, that is the only salvation Serbia can manage from this.

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bub

pre 11 godina

though the crdibility of this tale is questionable, as are most very outrageous true and false stories. however the denying this tale because such actions are normally done in pristine environments and highly skilled professionals is not quit a fair assesment. certainly ideal conditions are ideal, for a reason. let us consider the massive number of chemical drug manufactures who work in their garages, making toxic and explosive stuff in not so pristine environments, and not so skilled makers. these farm boys are able to create a chemical that should only be made in a proper lab, and millionaires are willing to purchase the stuff made by these farm boys.
sometimes the task isn't as strenuous as it seems, and sometimes it can be done in far-less-than-ideal circumstances. perhaps this is one of those times.

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Peggy

pre 11 godina

as for the allegation itself, 2 years into it, nothing been handed in. not a victim named, no forensic evidence ever found, nothing. but you keep on to this so called witness
(Nikolle, 12 September 2012 11:06)
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Much was handed in but destroyed. Don't you believe Carla?
You were happy to believe her when she was saying bad things about Serbs weren't you?
Don't worry too much. We will all see what evidence is left.

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bub

pre 11 godina

ben, i wonder what level of pristine conditions one might expect in a mobile army hospital, and what level of advanced equipement one might find in such a canvas tent. further i wonder how many injured soldiers who required very invasive surguries survived these horribly filthy conditions.
i would suspect that these mobile hospitals are far less than pristine that they should be, but better than an acceptable minimum.
it is possible, though unlikely, yet we've seen many unlikely events without our own lives to preclude the ability to outright deny the possibility.

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think about it

pre 11 godina

Vuksam, 12 September 2012 06:48)
Since you are only after the truth and not Albanian against Serb and vice versa, do you not think that Serbs have closed their eyes to the crimes their people have committed against Albanians? Do you not see that is exactly what you are doing?

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justhetruth

pre 11 godina

people really believing this BS....wake up this is a another 20 year back in the future for serbian nation and all ballkan people ..they just need your vote so they can steal even your paints also...tell me something anyone ,where are you guys right npw comparing to your neighbours i believe in deep poverty..so anyway good luck with cindorela story's

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Nikolle

pre 11 godina

forget carla, dr marty has evidence apparently. he has been challenged on numerous occasions to hand it over, hasn't done in two years. also if i remember correctly, wasn't it one of carla's people who destroyed the evidence? its ok, you hang on to this witness who was afraid of a scalple

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ben

pre 11 godina

sometimes it can be done in far-less-than-ideal circumstances. perhaps this is one of those times.
(bub, 12 September 2012 22:53)

bub this is NOT that case. Simply the standards MUST be the highest.

If not the organ will be contaminated and non transplantable - unsealable if you wish. This story doesn't hold the scrutiny of a 10 year old child. Serbia one more time is making a joke out of her self.

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