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Monday, 10.09.2012.

09:40

Kosovo's "supervised independence" ends

The International Steering Group (ISG) for Kosovo has announced that it will on Monday officially proclaim the end of Kosovo's "supervised independence".

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a New Day

pre 11 godina

ecoman, 10 September 2012 19:52)
When you go to any country and attend school the language is usually taught in the language of the majority. In most schools in Serbia that would be Serbian, but in most schools in Kosovo that would be Albanian. The US has people from most countries of the world and it would be impossible to teach each person in their native language. So comparing US/Serbian to Kosovo/Albanian is way off base.
But you do see in areas of high latino population the inclusion of courses in Spanish since their percentage of population has increased this would be a more appropriate comparison.
But still in the US even if you were to have a Serbian teacher with an all Serbian class, I seriously doubt you would find that teacher arrested and beaten for teaching in Serbian in the classroom which happened routinely in Kosovo with the Albanians.
As a matter of fact you will see most areas of the US including some Spanish language inclusion in most public areas.
Ironically, the US has NO official state language, although English has become universally accepted. But then that has also become international, I have been to many countries and most public signs are printed in the native language and English.
Having grown up in the US as you say it, it bewilders me why you have such a passion for the persecution of Albanians.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

ha, Bulgar of Ohrid. go ahead and tell me when the K.Albanian parliament passed laws to fordid serbs from buying property from Albanians. you can't. another one with an odd view of the world. yes, we know papa Sloba really wasn't all bad. its his neighboring countries that were the problem

J

pre 11 godina

Kosovo and the people living there are still dependent from various local mafia clans and their delegates in the 'Kosovo government' who benefit from the unsettled situation.
(Comm. Parrisson, 10 September 2012 18:41)

This is different from Serbia how? Zemun Klan, Tadic Klan, Kostunica Klan, Dacic Klan, Nilolic Klan, Milosevic Klan. All these klans have their goons. They kill rival klan members, prime ministers, Arkan's etc etc. At least as a Serb you shouldn't be talking about Klans. Serbia has been in the condition of state capture for decades from these klans. Your current prime minister was celebrating in public with them.

Bulgar od Ohrid

pre 11 godina

For example the right to speak one's own language when and where one wants may seem like a small thing to those of us who have been able to do this all our lives but for those who have in the past been compelled to speak another's language it means everything.

(Britanac od Bosna, 10 September 2012 16:31)


Im sure every Albanian in Kosovo speaks Albanian hence perhaps the oppression exerted by the Milosevic government is over estimated..?

Is it any more serious than the pressure Albanians exert on on Serbs in Kosovo or Macedonians in Tetovo, Kicevo, Struga and Gostivar? the Murders, the threats, the pshycological pressure? the cultural pressure?, the political pressure..

Lets just be honest with ourselves, the Albanians want to create a large ethnically pure state and leave it that.. its only natural for humans to be selfish, its all about me attitide.. the serbs tried it but failed, now the Albanians are doing it..

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

(Ari Gold, 10 September 2012 14:12)

Oh yes and what are these so-called day-to-day tasks? And what tasks would a Peacekeeping Mission (KFOR) give to the KA what it couldn't do itself? And what orders would a Policing/ Judicial Mission (EULEX) do, even though they're there to assist the Kosovo Police and Kosovo's judicial system? And yes the ISG did have authority to block Kosovan legislation... well 24 hours ago it at least. Now it doesn't.

You see it is the Kosovo Assembly which runs the show now. That is where all the decision and law making takes place. Obviously Brussels, DC, Westminster, Berlin, Paris ect have influence over Pristina, but then against they do in Estonia, Slovenia, Austria, Luxembourg, Montenegro ect. I know you disprove of this, but that is the way things are.

And yes we all know your fantasy, the west will leave Kosovo and Serbia will march back in and everyone in Serbdom will cheer. But the world doesn't work like that unfortunately. I dare say the West will leave Kosovo one day, the Day Kosovo becomes a member of NATO; and even then the US will keep it's military base of Bondsteel.

It is better to have an apparent "hobby" rather than an Obsession.

ned taylor

pre 11 godina

Ecoman: If you do not wish to share the planet with me there is an option available. Secondly, I do not see anywhere in my original post any reference to schools. Thirdly, if we are talking about Kosovo as an autonomous area rather than Serbia as a whole I do not believe that Albanians are a minority. Fourthly, if I for a moment thought that the language issue was purely a practical one rather than a deliberate and provocative act of suppression by Milosevic I would tend to agree with you. Let me know when we are no longer sharing the planet so I can break out the champagne :-)

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

oh yes ecoman, that was the issue. try this for size, K.Albanian students were not allowed to use university buildings to further their studies. K.Albanians were actually forbidden from buying property form a Serb. K.Albanians civil servants were sacked en masse and replaced by Serb ones. no reason given. this by the way does not tell the whole story. there's more. then of course, the forced expulsion (that though seems to be a belief that it was all just a camping trip). however, suck it all up now sunshine because Kosova is gone and it isn't ever going back. odd isn't it? Croats had nothing to moan about, Bosnians had nothing to moan about. It's never the heavenly people is it?

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Britanac, I grew up in the USA, went to American schools, and never felt that my rights were being taken away from me because there were no lessons in Serbian. I mean really, Kosovo was, and is Serbian land, why should the schools have been presented in Albanian? In most civilized countries, foreign languages are taken as an elective, and I am sure no one would have objected if Albanians wanted to study Albanian as an elective. Why make this an issue? Are you trying to say that all ethnicities, in all countries, should have their mother tongue available to them during their entire education? Jesus, Allah, what is wrong with you folks? Serbs today cannot set foot in Pristina, and you complain that Albanian language was not always available to students there in the past? I can only shake my head left to right, and be ashamed that I share this planet with people like you.

Ned Taylor

pre 11 godina

UQK: Sorry to be picky but if you are hailing king Thaci then it should be the Kingdom Of Kosova not the Republic. Let's get our irrelevant titles correct.........

KLA TERRORIST

pre 11 godina

I don't get it. Supervised independence ends! Then whay the heck do NATO troops need to stay in Kosovo?

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=09&dd=10&nav_id=82170

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Great Kosovo is now independant from being dependant? or dependant on being independant? or independant from reality? or dependant on Ancient Ilyria? or Independant from Illyria?"
(Bulgarian Od Ohrid, 10 September 2012 14:56)

Kosovo and the people living there are still dependent from various local mafia clans and their delegates in the 'Kosovo government' who benefit from the unsettled situation.

UQK

pre 11 godina

What a great day for the Kosovan Goverment. I am very confident that Serbia will finally give in and recognize the independence of REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA. That the only option if your seriously considering joning the EU.

Oh and Mitrovica will be part of Kosova :)


ALL HAIL THE KING THAQI

Best Regards,

FROM A FORMER KLA FIGHTER

palladium

pre 11 godina

Some food for thought with the latest ICG report:
http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/europe/balkans/kosovo/218-setting-kosovo-free-remaining-challenges.aspx

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

LOL While EULEX still administrates, KFOR provides security, northern Kosovo remains under the control of local Serbs, the US still selects and protects Albanian leadership, and UN membership remains as elusive as ever. This is nothing more than a fabricated occasion held by a small number of countries determined to believe something that departs from realistic convention. And with the closing of the ICO, all hopes of "integrating" northern Kosovo are forever lost :)

Britanac od Bosna

pre 11 godina

Bulgarian from Ohrid: If you asked a Kosovan (I am guessing here), I would imagine that they would say that they are independent of Belgrade and that if this means being dependent on someone else then so be it. For example the right to speak one's own language when and where one wants may seem like a small thing to those of us who have been able to do this all our lives but for those who have in the past been compelled to speak another's language it means everything. Kosovo's new 'masters' from the West are not going to limit the Kosovo Albanians freedoms in the way that Belgrade previously did during the post 1987 period. By the same token I hope that these same masters will insist that the rights of the Kosovo Serbs are fully respected although until now I haven't seen a great deal of evidence of this.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Sorry, Ian, but if you truly believe that the temporary KiM assembly in Pristina makes decisions for KiM, then you are a bigger fool than I suspected. Pristina cannot fart without asking Brussels, DC, or Berlin, if they may. The KiM assembly is a front, a puppet, with real authority coming from the above mentioned powers. Don't fool yourself, I know you like to think that KiM is independent, but you know in your heart it is not. Albanians could not even proclaim their UDI without approval from the West, remember? So please, stop with the independence act, if you truly are, why is Eulex still there, and why is the West so eager to have Belgrade recognize the Albanian UDI? Ask yourself these questions, Ian, and think with a clear mind, and not one mired in nationalistic Albanian fervor.

ecoma

pre 11 godina

I think Slovenia's future is bleak, ever joining the EU. Just ask the citizens there what they think of their overlords. I mean partners, in Brussels. BTW, have you been to Albanian KiM lately, Slovene?

...Slovenia

pre 11 godina

I have an impression that Albanians will have a brighter future than Serbs. That's because they are behaving more mature and more realistic than Serbs, in term of stability and cooperation.

Greetings from...

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

(Ian, UK, 10 September 2012 13:30)

OK so here is why you are wrong..

The "Kosovo Assembly" does not have any actual power in the occupied province. You see they are simply handed day-to-day tasks by the different Western institutions in the province (KFOR, EULEX, ISG) and it is those institutions which enable this "assembly" to carry out daily functions. This is primarily because the West does not have an interest in being in Kosovo i Metohija forever but obviously cannot perform a U-turn on its policy and hand the province back over to its rightful owners.

You see my lonely "British" friend looking for a hobby online, if those separatist Albanian institutions cannot INDEPENDENTLY and physically ensure their existence and upkeep then it is doomed for failure. It is a waiting game Serbia must play and luckily for us, the Albanians are not developing and strengthening their occupation at all. They are happy with this, but this has very weak legs to stand on.

BTW, I checked out your alleged facebook. IF that is really you, then you really need to find other interests than being a mouth-peace for organ extractors. Oh and speaking of mouth's...go to your local store and find the little white tubes that say Colgate or Crest on it..it will do wonders!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Yes KFOR may be in Kosovo but NATO has troops all over the world."
(Ian, UK, 10 September 2012 13:30)

That's true, but these are NATO troops, and no 'KFOR'. Keep in mind: KFOR is the international force to keep order in Kosovo. The only connection to NATO is that some (but not all) of the states which have troops deployed in Kosovo are NATO members.

Bulgarian Od Ohrid

pre 11 godina

Great Kosovo is now independant from being dependant? or dependant on being independant? or independant from reality? or dependant on Ancient Ilyria? or Independant from Illyria?

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

@ecoman EULEX does not run Kosovo. It is a 2000 strong policing mission, which will end in 2014 unless the Kosovo Assembly says otherwise. It is the Kosovo Assembly which adminstrates Kosovo and it is the Kosovo Assembly which has the power to adminstrate Kosovo too after UNMIK handed over it's remaining administrative powers to the Kosovo Assembly in 2008. Now the ISG no longer has the power to regulate the Kosovo Assembly and block legislation. Yes KFOR may be in Kosovo but NATO has troops all over the world.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Can we all, including the so-called international community, be honest for just one day? An independent Albanian KiM exists in name only, but not in actuality. If KiM truly was truly independent, Eulex would not remain there to run the province - nor would it need NATO's KFOR to protect it. But I have to hand it to the nation-building West, along with their more than willing accomplices, they continue to hold Serbia's holy land hostage. And Ahtisaari coming back to the scene of the crime, that's a good one. He and Thaci are the only ones that go along with his trash bin plan. Ask the UNSC about it. In any case, I leave the frequent Albanian visitors here a link for their celebration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT_WwgaOfbg&playnext=1&list=PL754163822BA57F0F&feature=results_video

Zoran

pre 11 godina

The ISG - composed of the United States, Turkey, and 22 EU countries that recognized Kosovo...
--
So the US, Turkey and 22 EU members have hijacked the term "international". Where is China, Russia, Brazil, India?? Not one country from Asia, Africa, South America and you call this international? It is more like the NATO steering group.

I suspect this has more to do with cost savings in this economically strapped group than anything else. More spin to cover up this failed project.

Independence doesn't exist, the "supervision" was a joke and whilst NATO and EULEX remain, the occupation continues. The North of KiM is integrated into Serbian institutions and the majority of the world does not recognise this province as independent.

"Kosova"* is a joke and that is confirmed each day by the number of Albanians who visit this Serbian site.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

Call me crazy but I can't help but think ending the supervised occupation is a little bit rushed. By all objective accounts, the occupation has not managed to transform into a real country, does not have support to ever become a UN member, economy..well there isn't one, drug trafficking and corruption is rampant and the Serbs of Kosovo i Metohija are not the least bit protected.

The only thing I can gather from this is the "ISG" countries have their own internal problems and/or are more interested in other parts of the world. The U.S. has some big internal problems right now, the European Union has VERY serious internal problems that could lead to social discontent within European countries. Needless to say such problems already has and will continue to draw the Western countries away from this black hole.

In order to expedite complete Western withdrawal from our holy Christian occupied province, Serbs MUST start fighting back and defending ourselves, our families, our people and our Churches & Monasteries from radical Jihadi terrorist attacks.

We have to start protecting ourselves by any means now. The West wants to leave, the occupiers have no interest in protecting the original inhabitants of Kosovo i Metohija so it is up to ourselves.

Chimera Project

pre 11 godina

The Ahtisaari plan exists in name only. It will never be implemented by the albanians and the west will continue to turn a blind eye to the extermination of serbs, gypsies and others from the territory of Kosovo. It has been agreed that as long as it happens slowly, it will be ignored.

...Slovenia

pre 11 godina

I have an impression that Albanians will have a brighter future than Serbs. That's because they are behaving more mature and more realistic than Serbs, in term of stability and cooperation.

Greetings from...

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

@ecoman EULEX does not run Kosovo. It is a 2000 strong policing mission, which will end in 2014 unless the Kosovo Assembly says otherwise. It is the Kosovo Assembly which adminstrates Kosovo and it is the Kosovo Assembly which has the power to adminstrate Kosovo too after UNMIK handed over it's remaining administrative powers to the Kosovo Assembly in 2008. Now the ISG no longer has the power to regulate the Kosovo Assembly and block legislation. Yes KFOR may be in Kosovo but NATO has troops all over the world.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

The ISG - composed of the United States, Turkey, and 22 EU countries that recognized Kosovo...
--
So the US, Turkey and 22 EU members have hijacked the term "international". Where is China, Russia, Brazil, India?? Not one country from Asia, Africa, South America and you call this international? It is more like the NATO steering group.

I suspect this has more to do with cost savings in this economically strapped group than anything else. More spin to cover up this failed project.

Independence doesn't exist, the "supervision" was a joke and whilst NATO and EULEX remain, the occupation continues. The North of KiM is integrated into Serbian institutions and the majority of the world does not recognise this province as independent.

"Kosova"* is a joke and that is confirmed each day by the number of Albanians who visit this Serbian site.

UQK

pre 11 godina

What a great day for the Kosovan Goverment. I am very confident that Serbia will finally give in and recognize the independence of REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA. That the only option if your seriously considering joning the EU.

Oh and Mitrovica will be part of Kosova :)


ALL HAIL THE KING THAQI

Best Regards,

FROM A FORMER KLA FIGHTER

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

Call me crazy but I can't help but think ending the supervised occupation is a little bit rushed. By all objective accounts, the occupation has not managed to transform into a real country, does not have support to ever become a UN member, economy..well there isn't one, drug trafficking and corruption is rampant and the Serbs of Kosovo i Metohija are not the least bit protected.

The only thing I can gather from this is the "ISG" countries have their own internal problems and/or are more interested in other parts of the world. The U.S. has some big internal problems right now, the European Union has VERY serious internal problems that could lead to social discontent within European countries. Needless to say such problems already has and will continue to draw the Western countries away from this black hole.

In order to expedite complete Western withdrawal from our holy Christian occupied province, Serbs MUST start fighting back and defending ourselves, our families, our people and our Churches & Monasteries from radical Jihadi terrorist attacks.

We have to start protecting ourselves by any means now. The West wants to leave, the occupiers have no interest in protecting the original inhabitants of Kosovo i Metohija so it is up to ourselves.

Chimera Project

pre 11 godina

The Ahtisaari plan exists in name only. It will never be implemented by the albanians and the west will continue to turn a blind eye to the extermination of serbs, gypsies and others from the territory of Kosovo. It has been agreed that as long as it happens slowly, it will be ignored.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Can we all, including the so-called international community, be honest for just one day? An independent Albanian KiM exists in name only, but not in actuality. If KiM truly was truly independent, Eulex would not remain there to run the province - nor would it need NATO's KFOR to protect it. But I have to hand it to the nation-building West, along with their more than willing accomplices, they continue to hold Serbia's holy land hostage. And Ahtisaari coming back to the scene of the crime, that's a good one. He and Thaci are the only ones that go along with his trash bin plan. Ask the UNSC about it. In any case, I leave the frequent Albanian visitors here a link for their celebration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT_WwgaOfbg&playnext=1&list=PL754163822BA57F0F&feature=results_video

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

(Ian, UK, 10 September 2012 13:30)

OK so here is why you are wrong..

The "Kosovo Assembly" does not have any actual power in the occupied province. You see they are simply handed day-to-day tasks by the different Western institutions in the province (KFOR, EULEX, ISG) and it is those institutions which enable this "assembly" to carry out daily functions. This is primarily because the West does not have an interest in being in Kosovo i Metohija forever but obviously cannot perform a U-turn on its policy and hand the province back over to its rightful owners.

You see my lonely "British" friend looking for a hobby online, if those separatist Albanian institutions cannot INDEPENDENTLY and physically ensure their existence and upkeep then it is doomed for failure. It is a waiting game Serbia must play and luckily for us, the Albanians are not developing and strengthening their occupation at all. They are happy with this, but this has very weak legs to stand on.

BTW, I checked out your alleged facebook. IF that is really you, then you really need to find other interests than being a mouth-peace for organ extractors. Oh and speaking of mouth's...go to your local store and find the little white tubes that say Colgate or Crest on it..it will do wonders!

Bulgarian Od Ohrid

pre 11 godina

Great Kosovo is now independant from being dependant? or dependant on being independant? or independant from reality? or dependant on Ancient Ilyria? or Independant from Illyria?

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Sorry, Ian, but if you truly believe that the temporary KiM assembly in Pristina makes decisions for KiM, then you are a bigger fool than I suspected. Pristina cannot fart without asking Brussels, DC, or Berlin, if they may. The KiM assembly is a front, a puppet, with real authority coming from the above mentioned powers. Don't fool yourself, I know you like to think that KiM is independent, but you know in your heart it is not. Albanians could not even proclaim their UDI without approval from the West, remember? So please, stop with the independence act, if you truly are, why is Eulex still there, and why is the West so eager to have Belgrade recognize the Albanian UDI? Ask yourself these questions, Ian, and think with a clear mind, and not one mired in nationalistic Albanian fervor.

ecoma

pre 11 godina

I think Slovenia's future is bleak, ever joining the EU. Just ask the citizens there what they think of their overlords. I mean partners, in Brussels. BTW, have you been to Albanian KiM lately, Slovene?

Britanac od Bosna

pre 11 godina

Bulgarian from Ohrid: If you asked a Kosovan (I am guessing here), I would imagine that they would say that they are independent of Belgrade and that if this means being dependent on someone else then so be it. For example the right to speak one's own language when and where one wants may seem like a small thing to those of us who have been able to do this all our lives but for those who have in the past been compelled to speak another's language it means everything. Kosovo's new 'masters' from the West are not going to limit the Kosovo Albanians freedoms in the way that Belgrade previously did during the post 1987 period. By the same token I hope that these same masters will insist that the rights of the Kosovo Serbs are fully respected although until now I haven't seen a great deal of evidence of this.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Yes KFOR may be in Kosovo but NATO has troops all over the world."
(Ian, UK, 10 September 2012 13:30)

That's true, but these are NATO troops, and no 'KFOR'. Keep in mind: KFOR is the international force to keep order in Kosovo. The only connection to NATO is that some (but not all) of the states which have troops deployed in Kosovo are NATO members.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

oh yes ecoman, that was the issue. try this for size, K.Albanian students were not allowed to use university buildings to further their studies. K.Albanians were actually forbidden from buying property form a Serb. K.Albanians civil servants were sacked en masse and replaced by Serb ones. no reason given. this by the way does not tell the whole story. there's more. then of course, the forced expulsion (that though seems to be a belief that it was all just a camping trip). however, suck it all up now sunshine because Kosova is gone and it isn't ever going back. odd isn't it? Croats had nothing to moan about, Bosnians had nothing to moan about. It's never the heavenly people is it?

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

LOL While EULEX still administrates, KFOR provides security, northern Kosovo remains under the control of local Serbs, the US still selects and protects Albanian leadership, and UN membership remains as elusive as ever. This is nothing more than a fabricated occasion held by a small number of countries determined to believe something that departs from realistic convention. And with the closing of the ICO, all hopes of "integrating" northern Kosovo are forever lost :)

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

(Ari Gold, 10 September 2012 14:12)

Oh yes and what are these so-called day-to-day tasks? And what tasks would a Peacekeeping Mission (KFOR) give to the KA what it couldn't do itself? And what orders would a Policing/ Judicial Mission (EULEX) do, even though they're there to assist the Kosovo Police and Kosovo's judicial system? And yes the ISG did have authority to block Kosovan legislation... well 24 hours ago it at least. Now it doesn't.

You see it is the Kosovo Assembly which runs the show now. That is where all the decision and law making takes place. Obviously Brussels, DC, Westminster, Berlin, Paris ect have influence over Pristina, but then against they do in Estonia, Slovenia, Austria, Luxembourg, Montenegro ect. I know you disprove of this, but that is the way things are.

And yes we all know your fantasy, the west will leave Kosovo and Serbia will march back in and everyone in Serbdom will cheer. But the world doesn't work like that unfortunately. I dare say the West will leave Kosovo one day, the Day Kosovo becomes a member of NATO; and even then the US will keep it's military base of Bondsteel.

It is better to have an apparent "hobby" rather than an Obsession.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

ha, Bulgar of Ohrid. go ahead and tell me when the K.Albanian parliament passed laws to fordid serbs from buying property from Albanians. you can't. another one with an odd view of the world. yes, we know papa Sloba really wasn't all bad. its his neighboring countries that were the problem

J

pre 11 godina

Kosovo and the people living there are still dependent from various local mafia clans and their delegates in the 'Kosovo government' who benefit from the unsettled situation.
(Comm. Parrisson, 10 September 2012 18:41)

This is different from Serbia how? Zemun Klan, Tadic Klan, Kostunica Klan, Dacic Klan, Nilolic Klan, Milosevic Klan. All these klans have their goons. They kill rival klan members, prime ministers, Arkan's etc etc. At least as a Serb you shouldn't be talking about Klans. Serbia has been in the condition of state capture for decades from these klans. Your current prime minister was celebrating in public with them.

palladium

pre 11 godina

Some food for thought with the latest ICG report:
http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/europe/balkans/kosovo/218-setting-kosovo-free-remaining-challenges.aspx

KLA TERRORIST

pre 11 godina

I don't get it. Supervised independence ends! Then whay the heck do NATO troops need to stay in Kosovo?

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=09&dd=10&nav_id=82170

ned taylor

pre 11 godina

Ecoman: If you do not wish to share the planet with me there is an option available. Secondly, I do not see anywhere in my original post any reference to schools. Thirdly, if we are talking about Kosovo as an autonomous area rather than Serbia as a whole I do not believe that Albanians are a minority. Fourthly, if I for a moment thought that the language issue was purely a practical one rather than a deliberate and provocative act of suppression by Milosevic I would tend to agree with you. Let me know when we are no longer sharing the planet so I can break out the champagne :-)

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Britanac, I grew up in the USA, went to American schools, and never felt that my rights were being taken away from me because there were no lessons in Serbian. I mean really, Kosovo was, and is Serbian land, why should the schools have been presented in Albanian? In most civilized countries, foreign languages are taken as an elective, and I am sure no one would have objected if Albanians wanted to study Albanian as an elective. Why make this an issue? Are you trying to say that all ethnicities, in all countries, should have their mother tongue available to them during their entire education? Jesus, Allah, what is wrong with you folks? Serbs today cannot set foot in Pristina, and you complain that Albanian language was not always available to students there in the past? I can only shake my head left to right, and be ashamed that I share this planet with people like you.

Bulgar od Ohrid

pre 11 godina

For example the right to speak one's own language when and where one wants may seem like a small thing to those of us who have been able to do this all our lives but for those who have in the past been compelled to speak another's language it means everything.

(Britanac od Bosna, 10 September 2012 16:31)


Im sure every Albanian in Kosovo speaks Albanian hence perhaps the oppression exerted by the Milosevic government is over estimated..?

Is it any more serious than the pressure Albanians exert on on Serbs in Kosovo or Macedonians in Tetovo, Kicevo, Struga and Gostivar? the Murders, the threats, the pshycological pressure? the cultural pressure?, the political pressure..

Lets just be honest with ourselves, the Albanians want to create a large ethnically pure state and leave it that.. its only natural for humans to be selfish, its all about me attitide.. the serbs tried it but failed, now the Albanians are doing it..

a New Day

pre 11 godina

ecoman, 10 September 2012 19:52)
When you go to any country and attend school the language is usually taught in the language of the majority. In most schools in Serbia that would be Serbian, but in most schools in Kosovo that would be Albanian. The US has people from most countries of the world and it would be impossible to teach each person in their native language. So comparing US/Serbian to Kosovo/Albanian is way off base.
But you do see in areas of high latino population the inclusion of courses in Spanish since their percentage of population has increased this would be a more appropriate comparison.
But still in the US even if you were to have a Serbian teacher with an all Serbian class, I seriously doubt you would find that teacher arrested and beaten for teaching in Serbian in the classroom which happened routinely in Kosovo with the Albanians.
As a matter of fact you will see most areas of the US including some Spanish language inclusion in most public areas.
Ironically, the US has NO official state language, although English has become universally accepted. But then that has also become international, I have been to many countries and most public signs are printed in the native language and English.
Having grown up in the US as you say it, it bewilders me why you have such a passion for the persecution of Albanians.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Great Kosovo is now independant from being dependant? or dependant on being independant? or independant from reality? or dependant on Ancient Ilyria? or Independant from Illyria?"
(Bulgarian Od Ohrid, 10 September 2012 14:56)

Kosovo and the people living there are still dependent from various local mafia clans and their delegates in the 'Kosovo government' who benefit from the unsettled situation.

Ned Taylor

pre 11 godina

UQK: Sorry to be picky but if you are hailing king Thaci then it should be the Kingdom Of Kosova not the Republic. Let's get our irrelevant titles correct.........

Zoran

pre 11 godina

The ISG - composed of the United States, Turkey, and 22 EU countries that recognized Kosovo...
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So the US, Turkey and 22 EU members have hijacked the term "international". Where is China, Russia, Brazil, India?? Not one country from Asia, Africa, South America and you call this international? It is more like the NATO steering group.

I suspect this has more to do with cost savings in this economically strapped group than anything else. More spin to cover up this failed project.

Independence doesn't exist, the "supervision" was a joke and whilst NATO and EULEX remain, the occupation continues. The North of KiM is integrated into Serbian institutions and the majority of the world does not recognise this province as independent.

"Kosova"* is a joke and that is confirmed each day by the number of Albanians who visit this Serbian site.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

Call me crazy but I can't help but think ending the supervised occupation is a little bit rushed. By all objective accounts, the occupation has not managed to transform into a real country, does not have support to ever become a UN member, economy..well there isn't one, drug trafficking and corruption is rampant and the Serbs of Kosovo i Metohija are not the least bit protected.

The only thing I can gather from this is the "ISG" countries have their own internal problems and/or are more interested in other parts of the world. The U.S. has some big internal problems right now, the European Union has VERY serious internal problems that could lead to social discontent within European countries. Needless to say such problems already has and will continue to draw the Western countries away from this black hole.

In order to expedite complete Western withdrawal from our holy Christian occupied province, Serbs MUST start fighting back and defending ourselves, our families, our people and our Churches & Monasteries from radical Jihadi terrorist attacks.

We have to start protecting ourselves by any means now. The West wants to leave, the occupiers have no interest in protecting the original inhabitants of Kosovo i Metohija so it is up to ourselves.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Britanac, I grew up in the USA, went to American schools, and never felt that my rights were being taken away from me because there were no lessons in Serbian. I mean really, Kosovo was, and is Serbian land, why should the schools have been presented in Albanian? In most civilized countries, foreign languages are taken as an elective, and I am sure no one would have objected if Albanians wanted to study Albanian as an elective. Why make this an issue? Are you trying to say that all ethnicities, in all countries, should have their mother tongue available to them during their entire education? Jesus, Allah, what is wrong with you folks? Serbs today cannot set foot in Pristina, and you complain that Albanian language was not always available to students there in the past? I can only shake my head left to right, and be ashamed that I share this planet with people like you.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Can we all, including the so-called international community, be honest for just one day? An independent Albanian KiM exists in name only, but not in actuality. If KiM truly was truly independent, Eulex would not remain there to run the province - nor would it need NATO's KFOR to protect it. But I have to hand it to the nation-building West, along with their more than willing accomplices, they continue to hold Serbia's holy land hostage. And Ahtisaari coming back to the scene of the crime, that's a good one. He and Thaci are the only ones that go along with his trash bin plan. Ask the UNSC about it. In any case, I leave the frequent Albanian visitors here a link for their celebration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT_WwgaOfbg&playnext=1&list=PL754163822BA57F0F&feature=results_video

Chimera Project

pre 11 godina

The Ahtisaari plan exists in name only. It will never be implemented by the albanians and the west will continue to turn a blind eye to the extermination of serbs, gypsies and others from the territory of Kosovo. It has been agreed that as long as it happens slowly, it will be ignored.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

(Ian, UK, 10 September 2012 13:30)

OK so here is why you are wrong..

The "Kosovo Assembly" does not have any actual power in the occupied province. You see they are simply handed day-to-day tasks by the different Western institutions in the province (KFOR, EULEX, ISG) and it is those institutions which enable this "assembly" to carry out daily functions. This is primarily because the West does not have an interest in being in Kosovo i Metohija forever but obviously cannot perform a U-turn on its policy and hand the province back over to its rightful owners.

You see my lonely "British" friend looking for a hobby online, if those separatist Albanian institutions cannot INDEPENDENTLY and physically ensure their existence and upkeep then it is doomed for failure. It is a waiting game Serbia must play and luckily for us, the Albanians are not developing and strengthening their occupation at all. They are happy with this, but this has very weak legs to stand on.

BTW, I checked out your alleged facebook. IF that is really you, then you really need to find other interests than being a mouth-peace for organ extractors. Oh and speaking of mouth's...go to your local store and find the little white tubes that say Colgate or Crest on it..it will do wonders!

ecoma

pre 11 godina

I think Slovenia's future is bleak, ever joining the EU. Just ask the citizens there what they think of their overlords. I mean partners, in Brussels. BTW, have you been to Albanian KiM lately, Slovene?

...Slovenia

pre 11 godina

I have an impression that Albanians will have a brighter future than Serbs. That's because they are behaving more mature and more realistic than Serbs, in term of stability and cooperation.

Greetings from...

Bulgarian Od Ohrid

pre 11 godina

Great Kosovo is now independant from being dependant? or dependant on being independant? or independant from reality? or dependant on Ancient Ilyria? or Independant from Illyria?

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

@ecoman EULEX does not run Kosovo. It is a 2000 strong policing mission, which will end in 2014 unless the Kosovo Assembly says otherwise. It is the Kosovo Assembly which adminstrates Kosovo and it is the Kosovo Assembly which has the power to adminstrate Kosovo too after UNMIK handed over it's remaining administrative powers to the Kosovo Assembly in 2008. Now the ISG no longer has the power to regulate the Kosovo Assembly and block legislation. Yes KFOR may be in Kosovo but NATO has troops all over the world.

KLA TERRORIST

pre 11 godina

I don't get it. Supervised independence ends! Then whay the heck do NATO troops need to stay in Kosovo?

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=09&dd=10&nav_id=82170

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Great Kosovo is now independant from being dependant? or dependant on being independant? or independant from reality? or dependant on Ancient Ilyria? or Independant from Illyria?"
(Bulgarian Od Ohrid, 10 September 2012 14:56)

Kosovo and the people living there are still dependent from various local mafia clans and their delegates in the 'Kosovo government' who benefit from the unsettled situation.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Yes KFOR may be in Kosovo but NATO has troops all over the world."
(Ian, UK, 10 September 2012 13:30)

That's true, but these are NATO troops, and no 'KFOR'. Keep in mind: KFOR is the international force to keep order in Kosovo. The only connection to NATO is that some (but not all) of the states which have troops deployed in Kosovo are NATO members.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Sorry, Ian, but if you truly believe that the temporary KiM assembly in Pristina makes decisions for KiM, then you are a bigger fool than I suspected. Pristina cannot fart without asking Brussels, DC, or Berlin, if they may. The KiM assembly is a front, a puppet, with real authority coming from the above mentioned powers. Don't fool yourself, I know you like to think that KiM is independent, but you know in your heart it is not. Albanians could not even proclaim their UDI without approval from the West, remember? So please, stop with the independence act, if you truly are, why is Eulex still there, and why is the West so eager to have Belgrade recognize the Albanian UDI? Ask yourself these questions, Ian, and think with a clear mind, and not one mired in nationalistic Albanian fervor.

UQK

pre 11 godina

What a great day for the Kosovan Goverment. I am very confident that Serbia will finally give in and recognize the independence of REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA. That the only option if your seriously considering joning the EU.

Oh and Mitrovica will be part of Kosova :)


ALL HAIL THE KING THAQI

Best Regards,

FROM A FORMER KLA FIGHTER

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

LOL While EULEX still administrates, KFOR provides security, northern Kosovo remains under the control of local Serbs, the US still selects and protects Albanian leadership, and UN membership remains as elusive as ever. This is nothing more than a fabricated occasion held by a small number of countries determined to believe something that departs from realistic convention. And with the closing of the ICO, all hopes of "integrating" northern Kosovo are forever lost :)

Ned Taylor

pre 11 godina

UQK: Sorry to be picky but if you are hailing king Thaci then it should be the Kingdom Of Kosova not the Republic. Let's get our irrelevant titles correct.........

Bulgar od Ohrid

pre 11 godina

For example the right to speak one's own language when and where one wants may seem like a small thing to those of us who have been able to do this all our lives but for those who have in the past been compelled to speak another's language it means everything.

(Britanac od Bosna, 10 September 2012 16:31)


Im sure every Albanian in Kosovo speaks Albanian hence perhaps the oppression exerted by the Milosevic government is over estimated..?

Is it any more serious than the pressure Albanians exert on on Serbs in Kosovo or Macedonians in Tetovo, Kicevo, Struga and Gostivar? the Murders, the threats, the pshycological pressure? the cultural pressure?, the political pressure..

Lets just be honest with ourselves, the Albanians want to create a large ethnically pure state and leave it that.. its only natural for humans to be selfish, its all about me attitide.. the serbs tried it but failed, now the Albanians are doing it..

Britanac od Bosna

pre 11 godina

Bulgarian from Ohrid: If you asked a Kosovan (I am guessing here), I would imagine that they would say that they are independent of Belgrade and that if this means being dependent on someone else then so be it. For example the right to speak one's own language when and where one wants may seem like a small thing to those of us who have been able to do this all our lives but for those who have in the past been compelled to speak another's language it means everything. Kosovo's new 'masters' from the West are not going to limit the Kosovo Albanians freedoms in the way that Belgrade previously did during the post 1987 period. By the same token I hope that these same masters will insist that the rights of the Kosovo Serbs are fully respected although until now I haven't seen a great deal of evidence of this.

palladium

pre 11 godina

Some food for thought with the latest ICG report:
http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/europe/balkans/kosovo/218-setting-kosovo-free-remaining-challenges.aspx

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

oh yes ecoman, that was the issue. try this for size, K.Albanian students were not allowed to use university buildings to further their studies. K.Albanians were actually forbidden from buying property form a Serb. K.Albanians civil servants were sacked en masse and replaced by Serb ones. no reason given. this by the way does not tell the whole story. there's more. then of course, the forced expulsion (that though seems to be a belief that it was all just a camping trip). however, suck it all up now sunshine because Kosova is gone and it isn't ever going back. odd isn't it? Croats had nothing to moan about, Bosnians had nothing to moan about. It's never the heavenly people is it?

J

pre 11 godina

Kosovo and the people living there are still dependent from various local mafia clans and their delegates in the 'Kosovo government' who benefit from the unsettled situation.
(Comm. Parrisson, 10 September 2012 18:41)

This is different from Serbia how? Zemun Klan, Tadic Klan, Kostunica Klan, Dacic Klan, Nilolic Klan, Milosevic Klan. All these klans have their goons. They kill rival klan members, prime ministers, Arkan's etc etc. At least as a Serb you shouldn't be talking about Klans. Serbia has been in the condition of state capture for decades from these klans. Your current prime minister was celebrating in public with them.

ned taylor

pre 11 godina

Ecoman: If you do not wish to share the planet with me there is an option available. Secondly, I do not see anywhere in my original post any reference to schools. Thirdly, if we are talking about Kosovo as an autonomous area rather than Serbia as a whole I do not believe that Albanians are a minority. Fourthly, if I for a moment thought that the language issue was purely a practical one rather than a deliberate and provocative act of suppression by Milosevic I would tend to agree with you. Let me know when we are no longer sharing the planet so I can break out the champagne :-)

Ian, UK

pre 11 godina

(Ari Gold, 10 September 2012 14:12)

Oh yes and what are these so-called day-to-day tasks? And what tasks would a Peacekeeping Mission (KFOR) give to the KA what it couldn't do itself? And what orders would a Policing/ Judicial Mission (EULEX) do, even though they're there to assist the Kosovo Police and Kosovo's judicial system? And yes the ISG did have authority to block Kosovan legislation... well 24 hours ago it at least. Now it doesn't.

You see it is the Kosovo Assembly which runs the show now. That is where all the decision and law making takes place. Obviously Brussels, DC, Westminster, Berlin, Paris ect have influence over Pristina, but then against they do in Estonia, Slovenia, Austria, Luxembourg, Montenegro ect. I know you disprove of this, but that is the way things are.

And yes we all know your fantasy, the west will leave Kosovo and Serbia will march back in and everyone in Serbdom will cheer. But the world doesn't work like that unfortunately. I dare say the West will leave Kosovo one day, the Day Kosovo becomes a member of NATO; and even then the US will keep it's military base of Bondsteel.

It is better to have an apparent "hobby" rather than an Obsession.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

ha, Bulgar of Ohrid. go ahead and tell me when the K.Albanian parliament passed laws to fordid serbs from buying property from Albanians. you can't. another one with an odd view of the world. yes, we know papa Sloba really wasn't all bad. its his neighboring countries that were the problem

a New Day

pre 11 godina

ecoman, 10 September 2012 19:52)
When you go to any country and attend school the language is usually taught in the language of the majority. In most schools in Serbia that would be Serbian, but in most schools in Kosovo that would be Albanian. The US has people from most countries of the world and it would be impossible to teach each person in their native language. So comparing US/Serbian to Kosovo/Albanian is way off base.
But you do see in areas of high latino population the inclusion of courses in Spanish since their percentage of population has increased this would be a more appropriate comparison.
But still in the US even if you were to have a Serbian teacher with an all Serbian class, I seriously doubt you would find that teacher arrested and beaten for teaching in Serbian in the classroom which happened routinely in Kosovo with the Albanians.
As a matter of fact you will see most areas of the US including some Spanish language inclusion in most public areas.
Ironically, the US has NO official state language, although English has become universally accepted. But then that has also become international, I have been to many countries and most public signs are printed in the native language and English.
Having grown up in the US as you say it, it bewilders me why you have such a passion for the persecution of Albanians.