"Footnote in documents, not on nameplates"

Isn't it nice that things are so good in Serbia that the Serbian government has the luxury to devote resources to discussing name tags on table settings

" This was decided late on Sunday by the Serbian government."

Well, just to make it clear, this is not decided by neither Serbian nor Kosova's Government! It is obvious that decisions comes from higher levels ! Both sides (Serbia and Kosova) are just puppets in the show!

Despite the now forgotten nationalist background of Nikolic, Vucic and company its nice to see willingness to compromise. The problem is that there is dignified compromise and defeat. Its pretty obvious which one of those this government is responsible for.

From a Serbian perspective it is worrying that the government doesn't have any strategy on Kosovo, that it downgraded the Kosovo ministry. It seems as if a number of issues concerning Kosovo will come our way then Dacic will come out with one of his populist statements, which is code for creeping independence of Kosovo.

Its my belief that Dacic has decided that no public strategy on Kosovo is his strategy - ie he has a secret plan of withdrawal from one diplomatic battle to the next. At the same time he will try to maintain control over the north. He will of course face serious problems when his loss of diplomatic battles on Kosovo comes into conflict with control over the north and falling out with all of Kosovo's Serbs.

sj

you've been writing this this since forever. yet i have challenged you on numerous occasions to provide me with evidence that the EU has asked of Serbia that it opens its labor markets to K. Albanians. you have never EVER given me such a link. you know why you haven't? because you have a very vivid imagination. in short, you're giving us fantasy, where Serbia is paved with gold and all other surrounding states (not just Kosova but Croatia too is screwed). its good to have dreams and ambitions but its never a good thing to delude yourself. now, go ahead and give me a link where the EU has asked Serbia to open its labor markets to K. Albanians, you can't.

"We can allow for the interim institutions in Kosovo to push us out. We can allow that there be nobody there to defend the interests of our country and our people. We can do that and pretend that we are in this way safeguarding the Constitution and laws. No - we are absolutely respecting the Constitution and (UNSC) Resolution 1244 in this way. Our goal is to show - and for all relevant factors in this country and the world to show - that Serbia, a state, and Kosovo with an asterisk - the interim institutions in Priština - are not represented equally."

Ooooh! I know, I know! There's one way for Pristina to circumvent this! And that's to change the name of its "state" from "Kosova" to Kosovo*!!!! Then Kosovo* and Serbia will be represented equally, right? Ha ha ha!!!

There is only one policy involving Kosovo and that is the status quo. Belgrade is only following that policy – this crap about footnotes. If Tadic could not pry away Kosovo then these new guys are not going to do so nor are they interested. Serbia will not join the EU now, tomorrow or in 2050. The EU illusion is dead and no matter what happens the EU of 2000 will not be the EU of tomorrow even if it survives.
Remember this that Serbia’s strategy is to bring industry to employ its people and so far it’s not doing too badly as I see nothing of the same happening in Croatia or Slovenia and both are crying for manufacturing to relocate to their respective countries. In fact it’s the opposite as what little industry is left in either country its closing as the EU will no longer subsidies Ljubljana or Zagreb because it has more urgent matters to attend.
Now we go to Kosovo. The EU, friend and ally of the Albanians in Kosovo, will not allow them to look for work in the EU. Then what is left? Industry relocating in Kosovo; no that’s not going to happen in 1000 years. So the EU will expect the same Albanians that were “persecuted by the Serbs” to be allowed to go throughout Serbia to look for work. But here is the trick, no Albanian will ever find employment there as its no one will hire Albanians nor rent their property to them.
Now back to the footnote; it should read “how to f….yourself royally”.

"With a footnote contained in the accompanying documents, but not the nameplate."

This is nonsense, if you ever wanted to be treated like a child

This regime seems to be identical to the last one. Like a previous poster bluntly stated, how lucky are serb taxpayers funding these clown debates about nameplates & tags?


Sincerely,

"Isn't it nice that things are so good in Serbia that the Serbian government has the luxury to devote resources to discussing name tags on table settings"
(Danilo, 3 September 2012 10:47)

That's the problem with PM Dačić, too much talking and not enough doing...

"The EU, friend and ally of the Albanians in Kosovo, will not allow them to look for work in the EU. "

Not the entire EU, maybe, but Germany at least - they're inviting qualified (trained and preferably German-speaking) people from Kosovo to apply for jobs in Germany. They're especially interested in nurses, as I remember. And automobile mechanics - they've even run training courses for them in Kosovo.

as for Kosova standing on its own two feet, well, it depends what you mean by standing. kosova will NEVER be an economic power house. at its best and this is at a stretch, it only has a labor force of 1 million. not all of them will go into banking, law, medicine and so on and so forth. that kosova has resources is obvious (the ferronikel complex is running as is Obilic, there are other untaped resources, fox marble yesterday got enlisted in the london stock exchange, first company that is EXCLUSIVELY focused in Kosova. so yes things are moving, and for sure they're not going back. this doesn't mean that Kosova will become as rich as Dubai or as developed as Japan. nor does it mean it will forever be free of Serbian economic influence, (a bigger neighbor with still approximately 10% of population isnide) however, in terms of Serbia running its laws and forcing Kosovars to accept Serbian passports and having army bases inside, that day has gone and it has been consiged to the dustbins of history. you still have your Dushans however

as for Prishitna, well, put it this way, its looking a whole lot better than it ever did in the early 90's when Sloba was in charge

oh and sj, not that I intend to speak positive of Croatia now, or for that matter that Croatia needs me to defend it, however, look at the economic figures of that state and compare it to the ones of Serbia. its a bigger economy now, it was a richer republic when it was in a federation with serbisa as well. as for croats now, well, one of the positive things about joining the EU, is of course access to EU labor markets, hassle free. so even if a Croat say, can't find work in Croatia, he does not need a work permit too search for jobs in the EU, unlike serbs in serbia of for that matter Kosovars in Kosova. sorry dude, croatia is moving on to bigger and better things than petty squables with the heavenly people

i do not care for you expertise in the financial industry nor did i ask for a history of your employment. you on this thread claim continuesly that the EU has asked of Serbia to open its labor markets to K. Albanians (funny, i'd have thought if you believe that Kosova is a part of Serbia, K. Albanians would have that right reserved as citizens anyway). where did you read this? i have not come across a single source that backs this up.

as for Kosova standing on its own feet, yes, we go to another one of your fantasies. the EU does not have money to look after Kosova but tiny-insignificant-nearly-bankrupt Serbia does? you overestimate what the heavenly people are capable of you really do. you remind me of a famos saying, ''Serbs will do anything for 'Kosovo' except live there''. its OK, go back to glorious fairy tales about Dushan and Lazar, its blatently obvious that thats where myou views come from.

by the way, I live in Prishtina and let me tell you, it certainly doesn't look Serbian today (and it hasn't for the past 13 years).

(Nikolle, 4 September 2012 11:48)
Of course you’re not interested in my qualifications to make statements on Kosovo’s economy.
What can I say, but its paradise there. Too bad its official unemployment rate is 45% or in real terms more like 80%, but hey Fox Marble got listed on the London stock exchange. Here is some news for you, the London stock exchange is not that important any more since 2007. Try getting your marbles listed on the Asian market because that’s where the money is now. Sorry to disappoint to you, Why even Angela Merkel was in Beijing on Monday asking for direct monetary injections into the EU economy, but no avail as they are not stupid people – no guarantees then no cash.
How many western corporations have announced opening a branch or industry in Kosova? Yesterday 150 Albanians were bused back to your paradise from Nis who were looking for work. What? They couldn’t find nuggets of gold on the streets in Pristina?
It costs the EU about $1 billion Euros each year to run Kosovo as it stands but you’re going to dig up the riches the communists overlooked and live a happy life. Tell that one along with Snow White and the Seven Dwarves to your little nieces and nephews as a bedtime story. Well after reading this post I can safely say that there is hope for Somalia yet.
Of course Prisitna wouldn’t look Serbian after 13 years of joy it’s more like a Middle East Bazaar. It doesn’t take long to turn it into a crap hole.

as for Prishitna, well, put it this way, its looking a whole lot better than it ever did in the early 90's when Sloba was in charge
(Nikolle, 4 September 2012 14:33)
# Comment link

Of course it does. You keep on telling that to yourself.

i invite you to visit and see for yourself sj, after all, you're an Aussie and we appreciate your state's recognition of ours. p.s. b92 decided not to publish one of my response, i can't help that.

you hang on to the belief that Kosova will rejoin Serbia agin

i do not care for you expertise in the financial industry nor did i ask for a history of your employment. you on this thread claim continuesly that the EU has asked of Serbia to open its labor markets to K. Albanians (funny, i'd have thought if you believe that Kosova is a part of Serbia, K. Albanians would have that right reserved as citizens anyway). where did you read this? i have not come across a single source that backs this up.
(Nikolle, 4 September 2012 11:48)

Nikolle, what's wrong with you ?! I'm amazed that you ask for sources when the CE of the B92 forums sj is telling you that - isn't that sufficient for you. You should be banned for ever posting again in the B92 forums for daring to question the facts stated by sj.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

There is only one policy involving Kosovo and that is the status quo. Belgrade is only following that policy
(sj, 3 September 2012 14:52)

Exactly, and Kosovo is following the same policy, i.e. maintaining the status quo of being independent from Serbia. Kosovo hopes that this status quo continues forever.
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Serbia will not join the EU now, tomorrow or in 2050. The EU illusion is dead and no matter what happens the EU of 2000 will not be the EU of tomorrow even if it survives.
(sj, 3 September 2012 14:52)

That’s great (for Kosovo, that is - who cares about Serbia). The last thing that Kosovo would want is for Serbia to join the EU and cause trouble.
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Remember this that Serbia’s strategy is to bring industry to employ its people and so far it’s not doing too badly.
(sj, 3 September 2012 14:52)

Actually Serbia is doing excellently. It has even managed to feed 10000 children at least once per day.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=07&dd=21&nav_id=81391
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Now back to the footnote; it should read “how to f….yourself royally”.
(sj, 3 September 2012 14:52)

Ha, ha, ha… if only Serbia were to agree to that I guess you'd be very happy :)

(Nikolle, 3 September 2012 15:11)

Yes I have been writing this forever as it’s hard to drill it in simple minds. Do you for a moment think that everything that is discussed behind closed doors is blabbed to the media? Discussions are held on a step by step basis and “once the EU get its normalisation with Serbia and Pristina” next is freedom of movement for the Albanians.
But if you see it differently pray tell us all here how is Kosova going to earn it living? It’s a fact that allowing Albanians to move around the EU is out of the question so how is it going to happen?????? What mining for the $5 trillion in minerals that only the west knows is in the ground? Wake up and stop dreaming. I await to be shown the error of my ways.
What does Croatia live off?? Tourism and according to their claims they will earn 8 billion Euros this year. Remember that there are only 4.2 million in Croatia – get a calculator and work it out for yourself. If they had this level of income each year they would be asking “how much does the US cost? We would like to buy it. Watch Croat TV sometime and you’ll be surprised by how much living standards have fallen.

(Amer, 3 September 2012 23:14)

I’ll accept that, but out of the total population in Kosovo how many does that involve? Not many I can tell you that much. Plus what leaves no one come back to live there.

yep, just as i suspected sj, not a single source. are you privy to those discussions behind the scenes now? yes, we do get a lot of people on B92 who claim to be intimately involved in the process. sources sj, not your vivid imagination. give me an actual source that the EU has ever asked of Serbia anything that you proclaim. go ahead

yep, just as i suspected sj, not a single source. are you privy to those discussions behind the scenes now? yes, we do get a lot of people on B92 who claim to be intimately involved in the process. sources sj, not your vivid imagination. give me an actual source that the EU has ever asked of Serbia anything that you proclaim. go ahead
(Nikolle, 4 September 2012 10:08)
This coming January it will be 39 years that I have worked in the finance industry. For the last 12 years I have worked direct for a Chinese Bank which more or less deals with loans on national levels and my area of expertise is, in plain English, one who assess the viability and capacity of countries so I can safely say I do know something about how it works.
However, let’s put that aside and say that I am making it all up.
Now I’m asking you to tell me how is Kosovo going to stand on its own two feet? There is no need to go into great depths but a picture of how it will be done.

(Nikolle, 4 September 2012 10:47)

I know exactly how Croatia stands but I asked you a question about Kosovo. I still wait for a reply.

(Nikolle, 4 September 2012 10:47)

Yes your correct Croatia and Slovenia lived much better in the old Yugoslavia. In fact Slovenia lived the best as it used to be called “little America”. Today the Slovenes have had to ask the EU for a bailout otherwise economic collapse. It’s also interesting to know that Slovenia’s manufacturing is either closing down completely or moving to Serbia such as Gorenje. Brussels has told them that they will not subsidize Slovenia’s industry.
Look at Croatia. No industry is moving to Croatia as in the words of Jadranka Kosor “various Croatian Governments have tried to entice industry but no one will relocate as we are a small country”. Croatia’s main income is tourism, 8 billion Euros per year according to Zagreb to be exact. But Vesna Pusic is telling anyone that will listen that once in the EU they will get 16 billion Euros in the first year and they will use it to fix all their road systems and provide sewerage services to all villages. Wait a minute; doesn’t Croatia make 8 billion Euros per year? Then why do they need the EU or their money? During the recent drought Croatia lost many hundreds of hectares of crops and when Milanovic was asked to help the farmers out he said “we don’t have the money to do that; we would but there is no money”.
Ask the ordinary Croats where they are moving to bigger and better things as EU subsidise dry up and they have to survive on their own. Technically Croatia and Slovenia are junk bond status.

and where on earth did i tell you how your country functions? do you honestly mean to tell me, that Australia which is pretty sound economically and lets face it pretty strong, did as it was told by the US by on the verge of bankruptcy Greece can stand up to US pressure? are you honestly that deluded?

as for the K.Albanians in Nis, post the link here and I will see to it. you really do have a very vivid imagination

‘Oh and by the way, Australia was not told anything”
I suggest that you read your own posting.
Yes my imagination is very vivid, jobs a plenty in Kosova and gold in then there streets of Pristina..

oh dear and where did i say plenty of jobs in Prishtina? i am aware of the fact that there is a 45% unemployment rate. however, it wasn't any better under Sloba and it wouldn't be any better should serbia take over again. your whole argument is this: kosova is poor therefor the best thing to do is give it to serbia, the same serbia that is itself in an economic crisis.
as for australia, yes i admit it was an assumption on my part, however, it is far more likely that australia reached such a decision on its own, rather then it bent to US pressure, because that would mean, that nearly-bankrupt-greece and NATO member greece or rather the people who run it, are more strong willed and you dont need to know much about the current situation to see how fanciful that sounds.

Today China has told Australia not to allow the US to establish any base here (as if they could afford to) and yes Australia has had to listen – see how the times are a changing.
(sj, 5 September 2012 00:42)

Oh, that's bad. Why would China to that Serbia - I thought Serbia was China's top national priority. In order to help Serbia, China needs to convince as many countries as possible to accept US troops so that US can move them away from Kosovo and end the occupation of Serbia's territory :)

Yes Australia did what it was told by the US, but s even their Foreign Affairs Minister at that time said it all meaningless as they have no official in Kosovo nor will they ever send on. Today China has told Australia not to allow the US to establish any base here (as if they could afford to) and yes Australia has had to listen – see how the times are a changing.
Like everyone of your lot when push comes to shove and you’re asked a serious question about a financially stable Kosova? The answer is the same always crap about “Kosova is free………” Well how about the 150 Kosovars shipped back on Monday to paradise from Nis???? No comment?
Amazing these guys went looking for work in Serbia proper and yet the Serbs killed their kin – amazing these Albanians simply amazing!!!

Of course it does. You keep on telling that to yourself.
(sj, 4 September 2012 15:25)

I think we need to do a better job to convince Kosovo that going back under Serbia it will be like going to paradise LOL Problem is that those Kosovars would prefer starvation vs going back under Serbia...

Oh no sj, I did answer, but B92 did not publish my comment. I really can't do anything about that. I will try my luck again! Give me a link that confirms 150 K.Albanians were shipped back to Kosova from Serbia. Oh and by the way, Australia was not told anything because if you seriously believe that NATO member and about to collapse economically Greece can stand up to America but Australia can't, well, you have another thing coming!

Oh no sj, I did answer, but B92 did not publish my comment. I really can't do anything about that. I will try my luck again! Give me a link that confirms 150 K.Albanians were shipped back to Kosova from Serbia. Oh and by the way, Australia was not told anything because if you seriously believe that NATO member and about to collapse economically Greece can stand up to America but Australia can't, well, you have another thing coming!
(Nikolle, 5 September 2012 08:57)

What a shame your posting was not published and here I was looking forward to another meaningless statement on how Kosovo is going to survive on its own.
Now as far as Australia is concerned, your now trying to tell me how my own country functions? You Albanians are amazing – how do you know so much? How many years have you spent working in the Australian Government?
This my fellow Serbs is what passes for Albanian intellect, but scratch the surface and it’s another pizza delivery lad. You want a link to your 150 Al;banians then go to Radio TV Serbia – it was their story on TV.

oh dear and where did i say plenty of jobs in Prishtina?
(Nikolle, 5 September 2012 13:38)

you missed the point... sj was advising that you should also develop a very vivid immagination. That's what helped sj to become the CE of the B92 forums :)

P.S. CE = Chied Economist

"We can allow for the interim institutions in Kosovo to push us out. We can allow that there be nobody there to defend the interests of our country and our people. We can do that and pretend that we are in this way safeguarding the Constitution and laws. No - we are absolutely respecting the Constitution and (UNSC) Resolution 1244 in this way. Our goal is to show - and for all relevant factors in this country and the world to show - that Serbia, a state, and Kosovo with an asterisk - the interim institutions in Priština - are not represented equally."

Ooooh! I know, I know! There's one way for Pristina to circumvent this! And that's to change the name of its "state" from "Kosova" to Kosovo*!!!! Then Kosovo* and Serbia will be represented equally, right? Ha ha ha!!!

"With a footnote contained in the accompanying documents, but not the nameplate."

This is nonsense, if you ever wanted to be treated like a child

There is only one policy involving Kosovo and that is the status quo. Belgrade is only following that policy – this crap about footnotes. If Tadic could not pry away Kosovo then these new guys are not going to do so nor are they interested. Serbia will not join the EU now, tomorrow or in 2050. The EU illusion is dead and no matter what happens the EU of 2000 will not be the EU of tomorrow even if it survives.
Remember this that Serbia’s strategy is to bring industry to employ its people and so far it’s not doing too badly as I see nothing of the same happening in Croatia or Slovenia and both are crying for manufacturing to relocate to their respective countries. In fact it’s the opposite as what little industry is left in either country its closing as the EU will no longer subsidies Ljubljana or Zagreb because it has more urgent matters to attend.
Now we go to Kosovo. The EU, friend and ally of the Albanians in Kosovo, will not allow them to look for work in the EU. Then what is left? Industry relocating in Kosovo; no that’s not going to happen in 1000 years. So the EU will expect the same Albanians that were “persecuted by the Serbs” to be allowed to go throughout Serbia to look for work. But here is the trick, no Albanian will ever find employment there as its no one will hire Albanians nor rent their property to them.
Now back to the footnote; it should read “how to f….yourself royally”.

sj

you've been writing this this since forever. yet i have challenged you on numerous occasions to provide me with evidence that the EU has asked of Serbia that it opens its labor markets to K. Albanians. you have never EVER given me such a link. you know why you haven't? because you have a very vivid imagination. in short, you're giving us fantasy, where Serbia is paved with gold and all other surrounding states (not just Kosova but Croatia too is screwed). its good to have dreams and ambitions but its never a good thing to delude yourself. now, go ahead and give me a link where the EU has asked Serbia to open its labor markets to K. Albanians, you can't.

Isn't it nice that things are so good in Serbia that the Serbian government has the luxury to devote resources to discussing name tags on table settings

" This was decided late on Sunday by the Serbian government."

Well, just to make it clear, this is not decided by neither Serbian nor Kosova's Government! It is obvious that decisions comes from higher levels ! Both sides (Serbia and Kosova) are just puppets in the show!

Despite the now forgotten nationalist background of Nikolic, Vucic and company its nice to see willingness to compromise. The problem is that there is dignified compromise and defeat. Its pretty obvious which one of those this government is responsible for.

From a Serbian perspective it is worrying that the government doesn't have any strategy on Kosovo, that it downgraded the Kosovo ministry. It seems as if a number of issues concerning Kosovo will come our way then Dacic will come out with one of his populist statements, which is code for creeping independence of Kosovo.

Its my belief that Dacic has decided that no public strategy on Kosovo is his strategy - ie he has a secret plan of withdrawal from one diplomatic battle to the next. At the same time he will try to maintain control over the north. He will of course face serious problems when his loss of diplomatic battles on Kosovo comes into conflict with control over the north and falling out with all of Kosovo's Serbs.

This regime seems to be identical to the last one. Like a previous poster bluntly stated, how lucky are serb taxpayers funding these clown debates about nameplates & tags?


Sincerely,

(Nikolle, 4 September 2012 11:48)
Of course you’re not interested in my qualifications to make statements on Kosovo’s economy.
What can I say, but its paradise there. Too bad its official unemployment rate is 45% or in real terms more like 80%, but hey Fox Marble got listed on the London stock exchange. Here is some news for you, the London stock exchange is not that important any more since 2007. Try getting your marbles listed on the Asian market because that’s where the money is now. Sorry to disappoint to you, Why even Angela Merkel was in Beijing on Monday asking for direct monetary injections into the EU economy, but no avail as they are not stupid people – no guarantees then no cash.
How many western corporations have announced opening a branch or industry in Kosova? Yesterday 150 Albanians were bused back to your paradise from Nis who were looking for work. What? They couldn’t find nuggets of gold on the streets in Pristina?
It costs the EU about $1 billion Euros each year to run Kosovo as it stands but you’re going to dig up the riches the communists overlooked and live a happy life. Tell that one along with Snow White and the Seven Dwarves to your little nieces and nephews as a bedtime story. Well after reading this post I can safely say that there is hope for Somalia yet.
Of course Prisitna wouldn’t look Serbian after 13 years of joy it’s more like a Middle East Bazaar. It doesn’t take long to turn it into a crap hole.

(Nikolle, 4 September 2012 10:47)

Yes your correct Croatia and Slovenia lived much better in the old Yugoslavia. In fact Slovenia lived the best as it used to be called “little America”. Today the Slovenes have had to ask the EU for a bailout otherwise economic collapse. It’s also interesting to know that Slovenia’s manufacturing is either closing down completely or moving to Serbia such as Gorenje. Brussels has told them that they will not subsidize Slovenia’s industry.
Look at Croatia. No industry is moving to Croatia as in the words of Jadranka Kosor “various Croatian Governments have tried to entice industry but no one will relocate as we are a small country”. Croatia’s main income is tourism, 8 billion Euros per year according to Zagreb to be exact. But Vesna Pusic is telling anyone that will listen that once in the EU they will get 16 billion Euros in the first year and they will use it to fix all their road systems and provide sewerage services to all villages. Wait a minute; doesn’t Croatia make 8 billion Euros per year? Then why do they need the EU or their money? During the recent drought Croatia lost many hundreds of hectares of crops and when Milanovic was asked to help the farmers out he said “we don’t have the money to do that; we would but there is no money”.
Ask the ordinary Croats where they are moving to bigger and better things as EU subsidise dry up and they have to survive on their own. Technically Croatia and Slovenia are junk bond status.

"Isn't it nice that things are so good in Serbia that the Serbian government has the luxury to devote resources to discussing name tags on table settings"
(Danilo, 3 September 2012 10:47)

That's the problem with PM Dačić, too much talking and not enough doing...

(Nikolle, 4 September 2012 10:47)

I know exactly how Croatia stands but I asked you a question about Kosovo. I still wait for a reply.

as for Prishitna, well, put it this way, its looking a whole lot better than it ever did in the early 90's when Sloba was in charge

as for Prishitna, well, put it this way, its looking a whole lot better than it ever did in the early 90's when Sloba was in charge
(Nikolle, 4 September 2012 14:33)
# Comment link

Of course it does. You keep on telling that to yourself.

yep, just as i suspected sj, not a single source. are you privy to those discussions behind the scenes now? yes, we do get a lot of people on B92 who claim to be intimately involved in the process. sources sj, not your vivid imagination. give me an actual source that the EU has ever asked of Serbia anything that you proclaim. go ahead
(Nikolle, 4 September 2012 10:08)
This coming January it will be 39 years that I have worked in the finance industry. For the last 12 years I have worked direct for a Chinese Bank which more or less deals with loans on national levels and my area of expertise is, in plain English, one who assess the viability and capacity of countries so I can safely say I do know something about how it works.
However, let’s put that aside and say that I am making it all up.
Now I’m asking you to tell me how is Kosovo going to stand on its own two feet? There is no need to go into great depths but a picture of how it will be done.

as for Kosova standing on its own two feet, well, it depends what you mean by standing. kosova will NEVER be an economic power house. at its best and this is at a stretch, it only has a labor force of 1 million. not all of them will go into banking, law, medicine and so on and so forth. that kosova has resources is obvious (the ferronikel complex is running as is Obilic, there are other untaped resources, fox marble yesterday got enlisted in the london stock exchange, first company that is EXCLUSIVELY focused in Kosova. so yes things are moving, and for sure they're not going back. this doesn't mean that Kosova will become as rich as Dubai or as developed as Japan. nor does it mean it will forever be free of Serbian economic influence, (a bigger neighbor with still approximately 10% of population isnide) however, in terms of Serbia running its laws and forcing Kosovars to accept Serbian passports and having army bases inside, that day has gone and it has been consiged to the dustbins of history. you still have your Dushans however

Yes Australia did what it was told by the US, but s even their Foreign Affairs Minister at that time said it all meaningless as they have no official in Kosovo nor will they ever send on. Today China has told Australia not to allow the US to establish any base here (as if they could afford to) and yes Australia has had to listen – see how the times are a changing.
Like everyone of your lot when push comes to shove and you’re asked a serious question about a financially stable Kosova? The answer is the same always crap about “Kosova is free………” Well how about the 150 Kosovars shipped back on Monday to paradise from Nis???? No comment?
Amazing these guys went looking for work in Serbia proper and yet the Serbs killed their kin – amazing these Albanians simply amazing!!!

"The EU, friend and ally of the Albanians in Kosovo, will not allow them to look for work in the EU. "

Not the entire EU, maybe, but Germany at least - they're inviting qualified (trained and preferably German-speaking) people from Kosovo to apply for jobs in Germany. They're especially interested in nurses, as I remember. And automobile mechanics - they've even run training courses for them in Kosovo.

There is only one policy involving Kosovo and that is the status quo. Belgrade is only following that policy
(sj, 3 September 2012 14:52)

Exactly, and Kosovo is following the same policy, i.e. maintaining the status quo of being independent from Serbia. Kosovo hopes that this status quo continues forever.
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Serbia will not join the EU now, tomorrow or in 2050. The EU illusion is dead and no matter what happens the EU of 2000 will not be the EU of tomorrow even if it survives.
(sj, 3 September 2012 14:52)

That’s great (for Kosovo, that is - who cares about Serbia). The last thing that Kosovo would want is for Serbia to join the EU and cause trouble.
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Remember this that Serbia’s strategy is to bring industry to employ its people and so far it’s not doing too badly.
(sj, 3 September 2012 14:52)

Actually Serbia is doing excellently. It has even managed to feed 10000 children at least once per day.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=07&dd=21&nav_id=81391
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Now back to the footnote; it should read “how to f….yourself royally”.
(sj, 3 September 2012 14:52)

Ha, ha, ha… if only Serbia were to agree to that I guess you'd be very happy :)

(Nikolle, 3 September 2012 15:11)

Yes I have been writing this forever as it’s hard to drill it in simple minds. Do you for a moment think that everything that is discussed behind closed doors is blabbed to the media? Discussions are held on a step by step basis and “once the EU get its normalisation with Serbia and Pristina” next is freedom of movement for the Albanians.
But if you see it differently pray tell us all here how is Kosova going to earn it living? It’s a fact that allowing Albanians to move around the EU is out of the question so how is it going to happen?????? What mining for the $5 trillion in minerals that only the west knows is in the ground? Wake up and stop dreaming. I await to be shown the error of my ways.
What does Croatia live off?? Tourism and according to their claims they will earn 8 billion Euros this year. Remember that there are only 4.2 million in Croatia – get a calculator and work it out for yourself. If they had this level of income each year they would be asking “how much does the US cost? We would like to buy it. Watch Croat TV sometime and you’ll be surprised by how much living standards have fallen.

(Amer, 3 September 2012 23:14)

I’ll accept that, but out of the total population in Kosovo how many does that involve? Not many I can tell you that much. Plus what leaves no one come back to live there.

yep, just as i suspected sj, not a single source. are you privy to those discussions behind the scenes now? yes, we do get a lot of people on B92 who claim to be intimately involved in the process. sources sj, not your vivid imagination. give me an actual source that the EU has ever asked of Serbia anything that you proclaim. go ahead

oh and sj, not that I intend to speak positive of Croatia now, or for that matter that Croatia needs me to defend it, however, look at the economic figures of that state and compare it to the ones of Serbia. its a bigger economy now, it was a richer republic when it was in a federation with serbisa as well. as for croats now, well, one of the positive things about joining the EU, is of course access to EU labor markets, hassle free. so even if a Croat say, can't find work in Croatia, he does not need a work permit too search for jobs in the EU, unlike serbs in serbia of for that matter Kosovars in Kosova. sorry dude, croatia is moving on to bigger and better things than petty squables with the heavenly people

i do not care for you expertise in the financial industry nor did i ask for a history of your employment. you on this thread claim continuesly that the EU has asked of Serbia to open its labor markets to K. Albanians (funny, i'd have thought if you believe that Kosova is a part of Serbia, K. Albanians would have that right reserved as citizens anyway). where did you read this? i have not come across a single source that backs this up.

as for Kosova standing on its own feet, yes, we go to another one of your fantasies. the EU does not have money to look after Kosova but tiny-insignificant-nearly-bankrupt Serbia does? you overestimate what the heavenly people are capable of you really do. you remind me of a famos saying, ''Serbs will do anything for 'Kosovo' except live there''. its OK, go back to glorious fairy tales about Dushan and Lazar, its blatently obvious that thats where myou views come from.

by the way, I live in Prishtina and let me tell you, it certainly doesn't look Serbian today (and it hasn't for the past 13 years).

‘Oh and by the way, Australia was not told anything”
I suggest that you read your own posting.
Yes my imagination is very vivid, jobs a plenty in Kosova and gold in then there streets of Pristina..

i invite you to visit and see for yourself sj, after all, you're an Aussie and we appreciate your state's recognition of ours. p.s. b92 decided not to publish one of my response, i can't help that.

you hang on to the belief that Kosova will rejoin Serbia agin

i do not care for you expertise in the financial industry nor did i ask for a history of your employment. you on this thread claim continuesly that the EU has asked of Serbia to open its labor markets to K. Albanians (funny, i'd have thought if you believe that Kosova is a part of Serbia, K. Albanians would have that right reserved as citizens anyway). where did you read this? i have not come across a single source that backs this up.
(Nikolle, 4 September 2012 11:48)

Nikolle, what's wrong with you ?! I'm amazed that you ask for sources when the CE of the B92 forums sj is telling you that - isn't that sufficient for you. You should be banned for ever posting again in the B92 forums for daring to question the facts stated by sj.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Of course it does. You keep on telling that to yourself.
(sj, 4 September 2012 15:25)

I think we need to do a better job to convince Kosovo that going back under Serbia it will be like going to paradise LOL Problem is that those Kosovars would prefer starvation vs going back under Serbia...

Oh no sj, I did answer, but B92 did not publish my comment. I really can't do anything about that. I will try my luck again! Give me a link that confirms 150 K.Albanians were shipped back to Kosova from Serbia. Oh and by the way, Australia was not told anything because if you seriously believe that NATO member and about to collapse economically Greece can stand up to America but Australia can't, well, you have another thing coming!

Oh no sj, I did answer, but B92 did not publish my comment. I really can't do anything about that. I will try my luck again! Give me a link that confirms 150 K.Albanians were shipped back to Kosova from Serbia. Oh and by the way, Australia was not told anything because if you seriously believe that NATO member and about to collapse economically Greece can stand up to America but Australia can't, well, you have another thing coming!
(Nikolle, 5 September 2012 08:57)

What a shame your posting was not published and here I was looking forward to another meaningless statement on how Kosovo is going to survive on its own.
Now as far as Australia is concerned, your now trying to tell me how my own country functions? You Albanians are amazing – how do you know so much? How many years have you spent working in the Australian Government?
This my fellow Serbs is what passes for Albanian intellect, but scratch the surface and it’s another pizza delivery lad. You want a link to your 150 Al;banians then go to Radio TV Serbia – it was their story on TV.

and where on earth did i tell you how your country functions? do you honestly mean to tell me, that Australia which is pretty sound economically and lets face it pretty strong, did as it was told by the US by on the verge of bankruptcy Greece can stand up to US pressure? are you honestly that deluded?

as for the K.Albanians in Nis, post the link here and I will see to it. you really do have a very vivid imagination

oh dear and where did i say plenty of jobs in Prishtina? i am aware of the fact that there is a 45% unemployment rate. however, it wasn't any better under Sloba and it wouldn't be any better should serbia take over again. your whole argument is this: kosova is poor therefor the best thing to do is give it to serbia, the same serbia that is itself in an economic crisis.
as for australia, yes i admit it was an assumption on my part, however, it is far more likely that australia reached such a decision on its own, rather then it bent to US pressure, because that would mean, that nearly-bankrupt-greece and NATO member greece or rather the people who run it, are more strong willed and you dont need to know much about the current situation to see how fanciful that sounds.

Today China has told Australia not to allow the US to establish any base here (as if they could afford to) and yes Australia has had to listen – see how the times are a changing.
(sj, 5 September 2012 00:42)

Oh, that's bad. Why would China to that Serbia - I thought Serbia was China's top national priority. In order to help Serbia, China needs to convince as many countries as possible to accept US troops so that US can move them away from Kosovo and end the occupation of Serbia's territory :)

oh dear and where did i say plenty of jobs in Prishtina?
(Nikolle, 5 September 2012 13:38)

you missed the point... sj was advising that you should also develop a very vivid immagination. That's what helped sj to become the CE of the B92 forums :)

P.S. CE = Chied Economist