Taliban behead 17 Afghan civilians

The Taliban have been fighting foreign invaders for centuries before the US existed. Was a small, decade long war supposed to change their minds?

The US are incapable of learning from their past adventures - did they ever "win" any war? (Apart from WW2, which they eventually turned up for - a quick screening of "The Green Berets" is proof enough the US "won" - fantasy is more palatable than reality.)

Checking on reality ,I am pretty certain that Hamid Karzai will retire in a lavish lifestyle somewhere in US long before NATO's troops manage to disengage. Mullah Omar, of course, will re-establish his government within six hours of the helicopters leaving the roof of the American embassy in Kabul( sound familiar)?

Western problems will just be starting when they leave Afghanistan. All the countries they invaded in the past decade were former allies who are now bitter enemies. Their twenty-first century military misadventures have done more to unite Islam than fifty years of Baathism.

Religion of peace my a**!

Not a single humanitarians on this board willing to speak of the us's campaign of killing civilians with strategically targeted attacks? I wonder if many of our local humanitarians only care when it is their specific humans being needlessly, and illegally murdered.

Pete K: The Taliban are no more adherents of Islam than those who shoot dead abortion doctors are adherents of Christianity. They each use religion as a cover for their thirst for control of other people. Ordinary muslims are appalled by this massacre and the idea that Islam condones this behaviour is preposterous.

Bob,I respect your opinion.However 99.%(of all terroists acts{cowards}are comitted by followers of Islam.Also 99%of all conflicts{wars?}involve followers of Islam[?}The little I know of the holy book Koran,I believe part of it states do not befriend a infidel,and if you can't convert a infidel,kill hIm{her?}If you are not a Muslim you can not vist the site of beautiful Mecca,but muslims can vist the vatican.The last words a muslim terroist utters is Allah Akbar{?}My toughts are not preposterous but you may have blinders on?
(Pete K., 28 August 2012 14:57)

You've made up them 99% figures. Ever heard of the IRA (many other Irish/ Ulster terrorist organisations), ETA, Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik, all the revolutionary Latin American groups, Extrimist Ultra Jewish-Orthodox groups, Tamil Tigers Extremist Anarachist Groups?

And if you really wanted I could put together a list of all 20th and 21st century Wars and Conflicts which don't involve Islam.

I think you'll find that well over 99% of Muslims just want to get on with their lives and will find this sort of thing shocking just like me and you.

Don't judge the majority based on the actions of a very small minority.

Ian,your research isn't quite acurate.Philliines,muslims,Burma,muslims,north India,muslims,Angola muslims,Cambodia,Muslims,Chistian church burnings,Kosovo muslims. I too can go on and on but whats the use.You have done your your research{?} I have done mine.I believe{I know}mine are factual!
(Pete K., 29 August 2012 14:27)

That is a very weak argument you have come back at me with. Yes there are a small amount of regionlised Muslims in them places you mention, but Communist Insergents tend not to be Muslims. They're generally anti-religion, as Marx once said that "religion is the Opium of the masses". Yes there are Muslims in the south of the Philipines but the communist insurgency isn't taking place in the south. There is a small minority of Muslims in Burma and Cambodia (1-2% of the population), but the conflicts I mentioned have nothing to do with religion and the Muslims aren't involved. 1-2% of Angola's population are Muslim and the conflic region isn't a Muslim area. The conflicts in North East India are to do with Maoism and ethnic-Chinese rights in India and are thus not related to Islam.

You're just an Islamophobe and you're failing at arguing your point that 99% of conflicts are to do with Muslims when this isn't the case.

Bob,I respect your opinion.However 99.%(of all terroists acts{cowards}are comitted by followers of Islam.Also 99%of all conflicts{wars?}involve followers of Islam[?}The little I know of the holy book Koran,I believe part of it states do not befriend a infidel,and if you can't convert a infidel,kill hIm{her?}If you are not a Muslim you can not vist the site of beautiful Mecca,but muslims can vist the vatican.The last words a muslim terroist utters is Allah Akbar{?}My toughts are not preposterous but you may have blinders on?

Ian,I have not made those figures up {do some research on present day conflicts}and how can you compare the I R A with with what goes on today. I bet you are a brit?

Ian {U K},I did not say all Muslims were terrorists,but most terrorists are Muslims.

(Pete K., 28 August 2012 17:37)

Here is a list of Present day conflicts, which don't invovle Muslims.
Colombian armed conflict.
Communist insurgency in the Philippines.
Burma conflict
Korean Conflict
Communist insurgency in North India
Peru drug war
Cabinda Conflict in Angola
Post 1998 conflict in Northern Ireland
Cambodian–Thai border dispute
Mexican Drug War

Recent Wars, which didn't involve Muslims
2008 Russo-Georgian War
Mount Elgon insurgency
Rwandan Civil War
War of Transnistria
Abkazia and South Ossetia conflicts in the 1990s.
Slovenian War of Independence
Croatian War of Independence
Caprivi conflict
Nepalese Civil War
1997 clashes in Cambodia

If you did "some research" you'd understand that 99% of conflicts aren't to do with the followers of Islam.

Nows lets get down to Maths and your 99% figure (which you claim not to have invented). Can you name 99 times more conflicts which involve Muslims, as mine must only make up 1% of all conflicts according to you.

How can I compare the IRA with what goes on today?
Point one: They're an active terrorist group.
Point two: They kill innocent defensless people.
Point three: They're politically and religiously motivated.

Also I never said that you said all Muslims are terrorists.

You just appear to be brainwashed by Bush & Balir's "War on Terror".

Ian,your research isn't quite acurate.Philliines,muslims,Burma,muslims,north India,muslims,Angola muslims,Cambodia,Muslims,Chistian church burnings,Kosovo muslims. I too can go on and on but whats the use.You have done your your research{?} I have done mine.I believe{I know}mine are factual!

Pete K: The issue for me is not what you said but why you said it. Having read your comments on this website over the last year I would contend that you are trying to denigrate muslims in general to elicit sympathy for the cause of Serbs in their 'battles' against muslims in the region. You would have us believe that the JNA were simply defending Serbs from those practising a violent religion who, given the chance, would have wiped them out and set up a Caliphate across the Balkans. I have heard and read this endlessly and yet my first hand experience is completely different. The Reis in Bosnia is a figure of fun amongst the majority of Bosniaks who see him as a clown in a frock, not a serious player on the national stage. They are non-violent people who simply want to get on with their lives as Ian points out. If you enjoy reading bloodthirsty and violent religious tomes try the Old Testament, and I say this as a practising Christian.

Hey Ian, whats with the name calling?You must be one of those bad ass brits!The truth hurts HUH?Why didn't you mention what is written in the holy book Koran.Or what I said about the holy and beautiful Mecca?Go out and enjoy life, have a pint or two.God save the Queen.
(Pete K., 29 August 2012 18:50)

I'm not exactly name calling, I'm just point out that you're anti-Islamic and you are. Why didn't I mention what it says in the Koran and the city of Mecca? Because I'm an Atheist. I hate all religion and think what every religion has to say is full of S@£%.

And as a former Christian I can tell you about some of the evils which are preached in the Bible such as incest and murder, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Christians live their lives by the Bible word for word; the same applies to Muslims and the Koran.

Hey Ian, whats with the name calling?You must be one of those bad ass brits!The truth hurts HUH?Why didn't you mention what is written in the holy book Koran.Or what I said about the holy and beautiful Mecca?Go out and enjoy life, have a pint or two.God save the Queen.

Ian this will be my last reply to you.I am not anti Islamic,just anti terrorist,be they I R A,Muslam Serb,Croat,albainian or what ever.God bless you,Allah bless you,Budda bless you,get back to your faith,it ain't all bad.Have a good healthy life.I wish you and your family well.

Religion of peace my a**!

Pete K: The Taliban are no more adherents of Islam than those who shoot dead abortion doctors are adherents of Christianity. They each use religion as a cover for their thirst for control of other people. Ordinary muslims are appalled by this massacre and the idea that Islam condones this behaviour is preposterous.

Bob,I respect your opinion.However 99.%(of all terroists acts{cowards}are comitted by followers of Islam.Also 99%of all conflicts{wars?}involve followers of Islam[?}The little I know of the holy book Koran,I believe part of it states do not befriend a infidel,and if you can't convert a infidel,kill hIm{her?}If you are not a Muslim you can not vist the site of beautiful Mecca,but muslims can vist the vatican.The last words a muslim terroist utters is Allah Akbar{?}My toughts are not preposterous but you may have blinders on?

Bob,I respect your opinion.However 99.%(of all terroists acts{cowards}are comitted by followers of Islam.Also 99%of all conflicts{wars?}involve followers of Islam[?}The little I know of the holy book Koran,I believe part of it states do not befriend a infidel,and if you can't convert a infidel,kill hIm{her?}If you are not a Muslim you can not vist the site of beautiful Mecca,but muslims can vist the vatican.The last words a muslim terroist utters is Allah Akbar{?}My toughts are not preposterous but you may have blinders on?
(Pete K., 28 August 2012 14:57)

You've made up them 99% figures. Ever heard of the IRA (many other Irish/ Ulster terrorist organisations), ETA, Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik, all the revolutionary Latin American groups, Extrimist Ultra Jewish-Orthodox groups, Tamil Tigers Extremist Anarachist Groups?

And if you really wanted I could put together a list of all 20th and 21st century Wars and Conflicts which don't involve Islam.

I think you'll find that well over 99% of Muslims just want to get on with their lives and will find this sort of thing shocking just like me and you.

Don't judge the majority based on the actions of a very small minority.

Hey Ian, whats with the name calling?You must be one of those bad ass brits!The truth hurts HUH?Why didn't you mention what is written in the holy book Koran.Or what I said about the holy and beautiful Mecca?Go out and enjoy life, have a pint or two.God save the Queen.

The Taliban have been fighting foreign invaders for centuries before the US existed. Was a small, decade long war supposed to change their minds?

The US are incapable of learning from their past adventures - did they ever "win" any war? (Apart from WW2, which they eventually turned up for - a quick screening of "The Green Berets" is proof enough the US "won" - fantasy is more palatable than reality.)

Checking on reality ,I am pretty certain that Hamid Karzai will retire in a lavish lifestyle somewhere in US long before NATO's troops manage to disengage. Mullah Omar, of course, will re-establish his government within six hours of the helicopters leaving the roof of the American embassy in Kabul( sound familiar)?

Western problems will just be starting when they leave Afghanistan. All the countries they invaded in the past decade were former allies who are now bitter enemies. Their twenty-first century military misadventures have done more to unite Islam than fifty years of Baathism.

Not a single humanitarians on this board willing to speak of the us's campaign of killing civilians with strategically targeted attacks? I wonder if many of our local humanitarians only care when it is their specific humans being needlessly, and illegally murdered.

Ian,I have not made those figures up {do some research on present day conflicts}and how can you compare the I R A with with what goes on today. I bet you are a brit?

Ian {U K},I did not say all Muslims were terrorists,but most terrorists are Muslims.

(Pete K., 28 August 2012 17:37)

Here is a list of Present day conflicts, which don't invovle Muslims.
Colombian armed conflict.
Communist insurgency in the Philippines.
Burma conflict
Korean Conflict
Communist insurgency in North India
Peru drug war
Cabinda Conflict in Angola
Post 1998 conflict in Northern Ireland
Cambodian–Thai border dispute
Mexican Drug War

Recent Wars, which didn't involve Muslims
2008 Russo-Georgian War
Mount Elgon insurgency
Rwandan Civil War
War of Transnistria
Abkazia and South Ossetia conflicts in the 1990s.
Slovenian War of Independence
Croatian War of Independence
Caprivi conflict
Nepalese Civil War
1997 clashes in Cambodia

If you did "some research" you'd understand that 99% of conflicts aren't to do with the followers of Islam.

Nows lets get down to Maths and your 99% figure (which you claim not to have invented). Can you name 99 times more conflicts which involve Muslims, as mine must only make up 1% of all conflicts according to you.

How can I compare the IRA with what goes on today?
Point one: They're an active terrorist group.
Point two: They kill innocent defensless people.
Point three: They're politically and religiously motivated.

Also I never said that you said all Muslims are terrorists.

You just appear to be brainwashed by Bush & Balir's "War on Terror".

Ian,your research isn't quite acurate.Philliines,muslims,Burma,muslims,north India,muslims,Angola muslims,Cambodia,Muslims,Chistian church burnings,Kosovo muslims. I too can go on and on but whats the use.You have done your your research{?} I have done mine.I believe{I know}mine are factual!

Ian,your research isn't quite acurate.Philliines,muslims,Burma,muslims,north India,muslims,Angola muslims,Cambodia,Muslims,Chistian church burnings,Kosovo muslims. I too can go on and on but whats the use.You have done your your research{?} I have done mine.I believe{I know}mine are factual!
(Pete K., 29 August 2012 14:27)

That is a very weak argument you have come back at me with. Yes there are a small amount of regionlised Muslims in them places you mention, but Communist Insergents tend not to be Muslims. They're generally anti-religion, as Marx once said that "religion is the Opium of the masses". Yes there are Muslims in the south of the Philipines but the communist insurgency isn't taking place in the south. There is a small minority of Muslims in Burma and Cambodia (1-2% of the population), but the conflicts I mentioned have nothing to do with religion and the Muslims aren't involved. 1-2% of Angola's population are Muslim and the conflic region isn't a Muslim area. The conflicts in North East India are to do with Maoism and ethnic-Chinese rights in India and are thus not related to Islam.

You're just an Islamophobe and you're failing at arguing your point that 99% of conflicts are to do with Muslims when this isn't the case.

Hey Ian, whats with the name calling?You must be one of those bad ass brits!The truth hurts HUH?Why didn't you mention what is written in the holy book Koran.Or what I said about the holy and beautiful Mecca?Go out and enjoy life, have a pint or two.God save the Queen.
(Pete K., 29 August 2012 18:50)

I'm not exactly name calling, I'm just point out that you're anti-Islamic and you are. Why didn't I mention what it says in the Koran and the city of Mecca? Because I'm an Atheist. I hate all religion and think what every religion has to say is full of S@£%.

And as a former Christian I can tell you about some of the evils which are preached in the Bible such as incest and murder, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Christians live their lives by the Bible word for word; the same applies to Muslims and the Koran.

Ian this will be my last reply to you.I am not anti Islamic,just anti terrorist,be they I R A,Muslam Serb,Croat,albainian or what ever.God bless you,Allah bless you,Budda bless you,get back to your faith,it ain't all bad.Have a good healthy life.I wish you and your family well.

Pete K: The issue for me is not what you said but why you said it. Having read your comments on this website over the last year I would contend that you are trying to denigrate muslims in general to elicit sympathy for the cause of Serbs in their 'battles' against muslims in the region. You would have us believe that the JNA were simply defending Serbs from those practising a violent religion who, given the chance, would have wiped them out and set up a Caliphate across the Balkans. I have heard and read this endlessly and yet my first hand experience is completely different. The Reis in Bosnia is a figure of fun amongst the majority of Bosniaks who see him as a clown in a frock, not a serious player on the national stage. They are non-violent people who simply want to get on with their lives as Ian points out. If you enjoy reading bloodthirsty and violent religious tomes try the Old Testament, and I say this as a practising Christian.